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@derekjackson39908 ай бұрын
You do absolutely need to catch predatory practices by scumbags out there. But your reporter looking up cost of furnace and saying she over paid by what the price is online is predatory click bait! Homeowners are not paying just for the furnace you jerk the labor and all the other miscellaneous materials, and operating costs of running a business. Shame on this reporter for doing that.
@derekjackson39908 ай бұрын
I also love how people whom have never owned their own business and have only collected a pay check are the 1st people to say a contractor is over charging for something. You people are ignorant to the business world. Period.
@MamunRiyadh-f7p7 ай бұрын
I need help... please 🙏 give a contact number to talk about my problem.
@breakingtoys35422 жыл бұрын
I am a general Contractor, because of these scammers, the public is losing trust in all of us. Thank you for showing the truth.
@hayderhassan77142 жыл бұрын
Yes exactly me too I’m a contractor I always have a problem with people because of the other contractors they come and do the job and leave the job in the middle after taking the money and run away
@SarahR2D22 жыл бұрын
@@don-cw1yz There are many snakes 🐍. You can get estimates from 3 snakes 🐍. You still have research the companies
@johnathandesimone90652 жыл бұрын
Trades are hard and alot of competition How you go about it is up to the individual contractor. This water heater they are talking about is probably approching it warranty date. While a tank is under you are covered for a new one and just have to pay for the labor.
@SarahR2D22 жыл бұрын
@@johnathandesimone9065 I wouldn't be calling your company
@FacelessMan7772 жыл бұрын
@@SarahR2D2 Why not?
@rafaelsanson31242 жыл бұрын
These type of reporters do a GREAT service to the people. Thanks for doing this
@jockoharpo26222 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile in Ottawa. Any reports?
@pritesh01172 жыл бұрын
I LOVE the idea of public shaming, especially if you’re scamming people! But, what’s more frustrating is that government NOT stepping up to solve the issue.
@Popsfresh2 жыл бұрын
One of Dougie's hashish buddies is probably related to the CEO guy so its all good with him
@sarabrant7232 жыл бұрын
The Canadian government would rather go after pastors running church service then people scamming their own citizens sounds about right
@allthingsharbor2 жыл бұрын
No matter what any government does, in the end the final say is up to the consumers. People need to learn to protect themselves and not rely on corruptible government officials to think for them.
@mikofreeman18082 жыл бұрын
@@allthingsharbor yeah but alot of the times, there are unseen issues, things that are purposely hidden from customers and regardless if you want to suggest people pay more attention, it's not always possible to see hidden items in contracts such as this lein thing
@randomrazr2 жыл бұрын
we need the hall of shame newscaster here
@briand.1694 Жыл бұрын
Hint: Don't rent appliances for your home! Do your research and buy them outright or find an institution that fill finance the items.
@afridgetoofar18182 ай бұрын
I have never heard of people renting an HVAC system. That's weird.
@chrisdeanndavison3626 Жыл бұрын
5:30 Let's clear this statement up. Technically, Freon is a registered trademark brand of Chemours that refers to several chemicals typically used as refrigerants. However, the word Freon has become a generic term in the industry that refers to ANY type of refrigerant. A better term to use instead of Freon would be refrigerant. Practically all residential air conditioners use some type of refrigerant. So, technically her old and new units may or may not contain Freon, but they both contain some type of refrigerant (likely R-410a).
@Kevin93m38 ай бұрын
Yeah, technically Freon is R-22 and 410-A is Puron. Customers that don’t know anything always refer to refrigerant as coolant or freon.
@tdobson8888 ай бұрын
There is no reason to replace a air conditioner that is working good just because of the refrigerant or aka Freon it uses because the government is already phasing out the replacement of the replacement and to be honest r22 works great and is much better than r410 especially if you live in a Hot climate
@Smok3yR1der8 ай бұрын
@tdobson888 an r22 system is going to cost you more in operation and is most likely out of warranty. A new 410A system will be higher efficiency, come with a new warranty, and will most likely qualify for energy rebates.
@tdobson8888 ай бұрын
@@Smok3yR1der so other than smoke and mirrors there is really not much in energy saving between r22 and r410 dew in part to the extreme discharge head pressure from 410 especially on 90 plus heat days and the energy saving is not even close to being able to make up the difference in the price for a new unit and install. The best way to get energy saving is clean the condenser coil every spring it's the best bang for your buck. But anyone that tells a home owner that they need to change it out because it's not in warranty or it's old or the refrigerant is phased out is lying and as a matter of fact there is many drop in refrigerants that work great for a fraction of the cost of replacing the system as long as the equipment is in good shape oh yeah and by the way r410 is already starting to get phased out along with the other hfc refrigerants so unless someone really needs a new system there is no reason to replace and put in a 410 system .
@Smok3yR1der8 ай бұрын
@tdobson888 your information is correct but your conclusion is just plain wrong. First of all, people don't maintain their HVAC systems enough to keep it in good working order. Modern coils and ecm motors cool much more efficiently than older coils and psc motors. Also, it's not just the condenser that gets clogged, but, the evap, too. Fins get bent and damaged, coils get rusty and leak. Also, R22 is 1300 a jug and going up. The cost of keeping an R22 system around isn't justifiable. Unless you really think you're "sticking it to the man" by refusing to replace the only pockets you're lining are that of your electric company. And, yes, I have customers who have dropped their utility bills by replacing old equipment, mine included.
@claraanne84152 жыл бұрын
As an HVAC tech, it’s companies like this that make us all look bad. NEVER rent a furnace, or any other appliance. You’re getting ripped off. You’re better off to go to your bank and get a loan or line of credit. I feel so bad for these people.
@nicholasordish30332 жыл бұрын
my uncle used to be an central heating and air guy with degrees and such but just sleeps around all day doing nothing. then again we live in an apt with the gimpy window units they come with. his excuse for turning down work in that field is "im too old and weak to handle the physical labor anymore" but hes not... and those jobs make him 5xmore then my physically demanding retail jobs, I would even do all the physical work for him if he just took the job would be worth more my time to help him then it would to be stuck as a grunt labor guy working for places like macys/walmart.
@papagenosbbq2 жыл бұрын
I have never heard of renting a unit. That makes absolute no sense to me. So with that being said I can't really judge that part of the video.
@mokahless2 жыл бұрын
@@papagenosbbq In Ontario, it's the norm. Blows my mind. Even looking over a normal contract, I'm like, dude, you can outright buy three water heaters for the price of a 10 year contract.
@mr_imperfectiongamingchann19622 жыл бұрын
Wait, people rent furnaces?
@cooltech732 жыл бұрын
Hi. Any idea the best way to break an agreement on a rental hot water tank. I am tired of paying that rental fee.
@dwayneharris38742 жыл бұрын
Putting a lien on someone's house without them knowing it is just wrong, and the law needs to be changed. These guys are just parasites.
@keysautorepair60382 жыл бұрын
If you read the contract it's in there that is why they say never sign anything without reading it.
@JohnDoe-bd5sz2 жыл бұрын
To be honest, if they had tried scamming me like that i would call them up and ask them to remove the lien at once or face the consequences. If they refused i would wait a suitable amount of time, and then i would find out where they lived, and make sure that they would regret it. That car he showed, would probably not look great in the colors soot-black and ash-grey..
@jinwock19992 жыл бұрын
The government should mandate that contractors be honest. That should work. (:^/
@alchemist37242 жыл бұрын
@@JohnDoe-bd5sz yeah because that's how adults fix issues, by making threats on the internet and still no fixing the original problem, bravo sir bravo!!!
@mr_imperfectiongamingchann19622 жыл бұрын
@@jinwock1999 So, how does that work? So you are saying if a lien is against a property then the furnace is cut off?
@WaningGibbous2 жыл бұрын
Scammers need to be held accountable and punishments need to be extreme to deter scammers. People need to be on alert always...scammers are everywhere!
@kyorkdabbagh77592 жыл бұрын
its a free country and the law does not protect stupid's
@rustyshackleford49842 жыл бұрын
@@kyorkdabbagh7759 definitely a scammer
@jonathanleclerc27882 жыл бұрын
@@rustyshackleford4984 no hes right were numb to danger and scammers
@crand200332 жыл бұрын
Yes you are vulnerable to scammers.
@RyukyuStyle2 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanleclerc2788 no hes not. what about my grand parents? who are slowly losing cognitive function and can easily be manipulated and taken advantage of? you are just unintelligent.
@kevinstenger43342 жыл бұрын
Bingo! The lady hit the nail on the head when she said now she has a suspicion of anyone selling anything. That should be anyone’s perception of salespeople. The unfortunate reality is that most sales people are deceptive to some degree. You can’t go wrong by assuming they are trying to rip you off, even if they’re not.
@weronpc2 жыл бұрын
Thank you MarketPlace for doing a great job helping people. Keep up the good work
@SkinniJ2 жыл бұрын
Your welcome
@BlackfaceTrudoh2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tax money
@spellboundfeline2 жыл бұрын
thank you for protecting the earth goku
@weronpc2 жыл бұрын
@@pleco101 I didn't know such thing exist, put a door bell on someone's property then name your price. how is that legal?
@silentsupreme48742 жыл бұрын
So did you master the ultra instinct yet ?
@dovan40922 жыл бұрын
How is this guy Axil and people like him not in prison?
@rp.aguilera2 жыл бұрын
because most of the "laws" were made to protect the criminals.
@new-knowledge80402 жыл бұрын
Obviously the government approves of such actions. But the questions is, WHY ? What do they get out of it ?
@huejanus55052 жыл бұрын
@@new-knowledge8040 They get the taxes paid on it.
@Trojan5702 жыл бұрын
Someone up the the ladder is getting a cut….
@djayjp2 жыл бұрын
That and permanently lose his license/certification.
@user-uj6sc7ls9y2 жыл бұрын
My uncle has suffered from dementia for over twenty years. About five years ago Green Ontario took advantage of his confused state and put in one of their water heaters. Just prior to the pandemic his ability to care for himself took a dramatic turn for the worse, and he had to be put in a care home. My mother has Power of Attorney, and the house in in her care. After I watched this Marketplace video, I asked her to send me any information she had on the deal between my uncle and Green Ontario. I read it over. Green Ontario has locked him into a deal where he is obligated to have them, and only them, inspect the water heater on a regular basis, only them do repairs if they feel it's needed (and of course they feel it's needed, even when it's really not). He's contracted to have their water heater and their service. And yes, *they've put a lien on his house.* They're Vultures. And that's an insult to vultures.
@nocause53952 жыл бұрын
I'm so sorry this happened to you.
@googiegress2 жыл бұрын
Talk with a lawyer, and mention the dementia, and bring medical diagnosis records from before the signature date on the water heater contract.
@thebigbosscolombiano2 жыл бұрын
@@googiegress just what I thought. It could be argued that he was not in good mental condition to analyze and sign the contract. Also, sue those motherfkrs!
@melishaweston67742 жыл бұрын
@@googiegressGreat advice.
@jlatirl43162 жыл бұрын
That's absolutely grotesque. Could you not look to have the contract annulled due to your uncle's impaired mental state? I hope it works out for you!
@boilerman2540 Жыл бұрын
I have been doing hvac work for almost 30 years whenever I find an issue I always bring the homeowner and physically show them the problem and explain it as it is their decision what they would like to do, I only offer guidance and advice I have even talked people over the phone on how to solve minor problems
@michaelramirez1996 Жыл бұрын
Your a good man
@rosewoodsteel6656 Жыл бұрын
You do this because you are a honest man and a good technician.
@5jjt Жыл бұрын
Stay honest because that's who Father God is. He hates liars. If you haven't experienced Him, ask Him to show you.
@boilerman2540 Жыл бұрын
I simply treat it as if I were the homeowner and I was in their position! I appreciate the support!🙏
@jaydenlee2702 Жыл бұрын
That’s how I do it. Never go out and try to sell the customer anything, show them what’s wrong, what’s realistic, and offer them options to bandaid, fix, or replace all for an amount that’s comfortable to them. Guys who go out to just intentionally screw people make it harder for guys like us.
@timc98936 ай бұрын
I've been in the HVAC trade for 30+ years. This is SO much more common that you may think. So many contractors would rather rip you off once than to have you as a customer for life.
@sierrakilogulf2 жыл бұрын
This is the only honest reporting we have left. Keep it up marketplace.
@EthosAtheos2 жыл бұрын
I'm in the USA and this story was shocking for several reasons. First I am astounded that CAN laws don't protect consumers from these rental agreements. Second I have never seen someone rent their HVAC equipment. That just sounds so alien to me. Then to secure the loan with someone's house without paperwork is amazing. This is the type of stuff I expect from my government not yours.
@Mr.Meme012 жыл бұрын
Dude Canadian government is absolute trash.
@jpparker192 жыл бұрын
Renting HVAC and water heaters seems absurd.
@vanderumd112 жыл бұрын
Hilarious when ppl think it's different. These are just humans. All gov across the board
@EthosAtheos2 жыл бұрын
@Christopher Jacobs Cake and rainbows, I would settle for affordable health care. But yeah I get what your saying.
@mokahless2 жыл бұрын
In Ontario, it's the norm. Blows my mind. Even looking over a normal contract, I'm like, dude, you can outright buy three water heaters for the price of a 10 year contract.
@SeeSaw992 жыл бұрын
This "lien" loophole should already have been fixed after the first few complaints. The fact that this is still happening suggests to me that politicians want it to stay in place
@vovin81322 жыл бұрын
The politicians want as much financial pressure as possible crushing the lower classes. The idea is that it keeps the public to distracted and stressed out to enforce any real change.
@SeeSaw992 жыл бұрын
@Mike Fishing many politicians are committed to serving the special interests of their donors instead of their constituents. Obviously this is a ridiculous loophole in the law that's clearly harming homeowners. So you have to ask yourself, why won't they fix this problem and protect their constituents.....
@qt4everandever63 Жыл бұрын
Good old Dougie boy, did you forget Ontario is open for business phuck everything and everyone else!!
@thomashaney1875 Жыл бұрын
I’m an hvac tech. First thing I’ll say is this company is absolutely terrible and is everything that is wrong with the industry. However I do need to point some things out to the consumers that I had an issue with. That furnace cost was $1800. But that was only for the furnace. They didn’t include the coil, the pvc,the glue, the copper, connecting duct to the unit,labor,safety devices,licenses,inspections,and warranties. And possibly a condenser as well.The list goes on. Second that expert didn’t do a good inspection. Turning the unit on and off to see if heat and cool work does not mean your unit is okay. You have to open it up and go through the unit. Inspect the parts and do a thorough job to inform your customer on what they have.
@lessthanthreemetal Жыл бұрын
Yeah this is correct, CBC fudged the numbers on that to make it sound worse than it is. That install is probably $6000-$7000 all in, so she got ripped off but not nearly as badly as it seemed
@murkyturkey5238 Жыл бұрын
I’ve heard of people paying 8,000 to 15,000 for a furnace install, we don’t charge anywhere near that but it depends on the company, they’re not necessarily ripping you off if their price is high as long as they’re honest about it. Her googling the price of the furnace doesn’t mean jack, the unit cost 2,000 and you’re paying double plus labor and other parts, that’s what we do. Some companies charge more if they have more overhead
@josei7001 Жыл бұрын
Yea people don’t seem to understand that the install is the majority of the price.
@MK-xl9tt Жыл бұрын
Yes some consumers don’t understand much especially what it takes to own and operate successful service business. If you want cheap have a handyman do it, if you want experience, knowledge, proper install, service when needed, and someone who will stand behind their work hire a reputable professional. That’s it!
@Idougyinmysnugy Жыл бұрын
If the change out is in a bad spot 8k doesn’t sound to bad
@Daniel-nh3bk Жыл бұрын
People don’t understand overhead costs for employees, insurance, etc. just because the furnace is 2k doesn’t mean the entire job should be 2k.
@timrob0420 Жыл бұрын
Was just about to post the same thing. It’s like, okay, but the furnace and install it yourself. Also, any legit furnace manufacturer is not going to honor a warranty for something that isn’t installed by a professional.
@TAUNinja2 жыл бұрын
I worked for this company I had to leave after 2 weeks because I was shocked with the sales practices. The company’s name was Ontario Green Savings, they have offices in London, Toronto, and Ottawa Canada.
@eds68892 жыл бұрын
Many years of Marketplace exposing scams and protecting consumers. Thanks for all the great work.
@jobarmure61692 жыл бұрын
Well done MarketPlace, great job, please keep helping people understand the type of scams they may be facing.
@BillKinsman2 жыл бұрын
Being informed is the key to being resistant to these kind of scams!
@suprememagnetic48502 жыл бұрын
I work in a luxury building and we have HVAC companies come to do work and many try to sell new HVAC’s instead of doing a basic $150.00 simple maintenance job, instead, they said they needed a new HVAC and some end up paying $6,000. No different than how locksmiths work, instead of trying to pick the lock which would cost $60-$80 bucks, they insist the lock is good and cannot be picked and have to drill through the lock and replace it, not with a cheap lock, but a over priced cheap lock. So, you pay $100 for the drilling, $250.00 for a new lock AND for labor which can be anywhere from $100-$150. The same with mechanics, you need a $150.00 job and they tell you you need $800 worth of work.
@CDS.262 жыл бұрын
If a company has to come to you, it’s because nobody is going to them on their own and there’s probably a reason for that. You don’t see walmart going door to door trying to sell cereal.
@senle79122 жыл бұрын
Really? Roger's and bell come door to door constantly. No one goes to them for internet or cable?
@CDS.262 жыл бұрын
Generally speaking.
@kyorkdabbagh77592 жыл бұрын
exactly
@NDcompetitiveshooter2 жыл бұрын
Door to door sales can be an honorable profession and great for building/ marketing a business. It's a shame that scammers like this give everyone else a bad name.
@nicks48022 жыл бұрын
@@senle7912 not anymore, They’re bleeding customers
@45von2 жыл бұрын
Scammers will continue scamming as long as there is no terminal consequences for scamming. Sometimes the victims have to act. Or just roll over and let the next person deal with it.
@relaxationAges2 жыл бұрын
Not nice
@SarahR2D22 жыл бұрын
I make sure I do a Google review on these scammer companies
@anonymousmember123452 жыл бұрын
@@SarahR2D2 or better. I found this Axel Hermosa guy on FB. Everyone should FB message this video to all his friends and family. Embarrass this scammer!
@233kosta2 жыл бұрын
The real cure to this is good education, unfortunately that's also the cure for slimy politicians, so highly unlikely to happen ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@alrighty68982 жыл бұрын
You know they’re bad news when they won’t take No for an answer. Why does Ontario continue to let scammers continue to operate. Cancel the guys license or charge him if he doesn’t have one
@johnobrien15282 жыл бұрын
Our premier is the biggest scammer ever. He loves a good grift
@GeorgeParros1614 ай бұрын
How about deport him
@patrickmccarthy5875 Жыл бұрын
Do you question a doctor who charges $10,000 for a minor visit?
@email674319 күн бұрын
Excellent point. The doctor didn't charge that much though, it's the people who own and lease the equipment..
@zosiamatias35562 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I seen this , some person was coming here today! Thank you !
@johnpatrick15882 жыл бұрын
Read the contracts and tell the salesman you will get back to him when you have time to read it. The number one job of a salesman is to take money from you for himself.
@blitzblutz2 жыл бұрын
I'm an HVAC installer and I can say that you shouldn't ever rent anything inside of your house unless you will be moving in the next year or so. I would also say to use your local, neighborhood guy who has been around for a decade or more.
@alexcalderon54612 жыл бұрын
Which you recommend between boiler system vs electrical heating ?
@blitzblutz2 жыл бұрын
@@alexcalderon5461 people are switching back to electrical again, since coming off electricity in the 1980s. It depends on your area and how the electrical price is. If your house is built with radiant electric heat in the ceilings or floor, which is much better than electric floorboards. I think most people would go for the boiler system if electrical prices are high or delivery is sketchy, which is happening in more places now unfortunately.
@Pearth20002 жыл бұрын
I have seen contractors put a lean on work performed because of refusal to pay from cheap homeowners
@mustafah46682 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't rent at all if you plan on moving within a year or two as well. You would have to buy it out for what the contract is worth so like $60/month for 15 years you do the math .
@jasonoak45642 жыл бұрын
Always use local when shopping for HVAC equipment. I'm also shocked Reliance is never mentioned in these investigations. They are as greasy as anybody but always get away with it.
@lburkhart3191 Жыл бұрын
Watching your share helped me warn a friend of an impending scam hvac repairman of installation this morning. thank you!
@GeorgeParros1614 ай бұрын
Let me guess, indian
@ChetWeeds4 ай бұрын
Seeing this lady wear a mask made me change channels
@julz43682 жыл бұрын
This guy Axel is crazy.
@KyleSG882 жыл бұрын
This is why you stick with small independent HVAC companies and get referrals from friends or family who have already dealt with the company so you know it's people you can trust as there is lots of great HVAC companies out there as well.
@francisklambauer1442 жыл бұрын
Very well put and valid advice Sir!
@tonyg67152 жыл бұрын
before they came to her with this information karen would have recommended green ontario
@onesix70992 жыл бұрын
I work in the industry when she says it’s worth 1800$ that just the furnace not installed so no supplies or labor they should mention that
@saracenking15 ай бұрын
Scam artists shud get mandatory 10 years imprisonment
@AztecWarrior69_693 ай бұрын
The same kinda scam is done he in Texas with solar panels.
@demilishing2 жыл бұрын
Why isn't the police investigating this instead of journalists? People are being scammed, this is not just a news story. That guy and likely many more deserve prison for scamming innocent people.
@MUCKFOOT3992 жыл бұрын
they are 5:05
@johndor77932 жыл бұрын
@Darkfarfetch ?
@RyukyuStyle2 жыл бұрын
@Darkfarfetch lol coo coo for cocoa puffs eh?
@moshunit962 жыл бұрын
They listed the charges the CEO is facing multiple times in the video.
@Marlene50182 жыл бұрын
The thing is that “Ontario Green Savings” it is still on the market getting more victims…that’s scary! 😰😰
@m.g.5402 жыл бұрын
A salesman sells or he makes no money, dealing with a salesman with soft clean hands that has never seen actual work who will always sell you on things that make him money, Find the local guy that has a work tool truck, work clothes and work hands, then you know the price will not include sales commission or other hidden tactics to slick pretty boy salesmen.
@Relaysandthings5 ай бұрын
Somebody should sue them
@afghvacr15 сағат бұрын
I learned HVAC trade all these years by working hard and never scammed anyone and I was kicked out from multiple companies for not making sales i love this trade i will never give up i did light commercial residential installation home appliances now I ended up doing security gaurd job...
@rustygoldfanatic88302 жыл бұрын
These scammers need jail time,or severe beatings or both.
@justinselk26622 жыл бұрын
man flower defloration
@agems562 жыл бұрын
Beatings are better! Jail time is a club med! TV, three square meals a day!
@uniquegod19972 жыл бұрын
Foreign sxammers... in germany same
@Mitchell_is_smart._You2bs_dumb2 жыл бұрын
Canadian people are far too nice. Once I found this out about my water heater, I'd suddenly feel the need to have them come to my basement and tell me what I can do with my furnace.
@vanderumd112 жыл бұрын
Always better to go to the place of business
@jimleask55952 жыл бұрын
I totally blame government for not passing harsher penalties and long prison sentences for these crimes
@mostlikelywedoitservices69262 жыл бұрын
Democrats now have made it legal to steal. If you have your stuff stollen or you get ripped off it is your fault by Democrats own track record.
@Tyler-cf8jl2 жыл бұрын
Been an hvac tech for a decade now, also a licensed contractor. I've heard some pretty terrible things these shady companies have done. I always tell people even if they don't go with me, to do thorough research into the company they do go with, and things to watch out for.
@bryanbarron32982 жыл бұрын
As an HVAC tech this is cringe . Entirely cringe . If this is the reason your going after HVAC Companies why not go after the big corporations like Walmart?
@jhill.72162 жыл бұрын
I’m going into the hvac field and I’m in school now I’m gonna stick with commercial. Being honest with you clients and trying to help people is going to be my first priority
@juggerfox2 жыл бұрын
Then go solo cauz as soon as you start working in a company, it's all about selling ;)
@chesschili95402 жыл бұрын
Scams should be a felony. It’s not fair to pay 12k for 1.8k obsolete system.
@Rokomarn2 жыл бұрын
It's fair when you agree to pay that much.
@mohtashim782 жыл бұрын
I have dealt with these scammers and it's basically extortion. Regulation needs to happen to not allow any upsells during HVAC service calls. Literally every time I have called Reliance home comfort for a service call I have gotten aggressive upsells. I have also recieved multiple aggressive calls from Ontario Green savings, the company covered in this show.
@vanderumd112 жыл бұрын
Yes and as a person you must know when to say no
@jeremiahduran7238 Жыл бұрын
Reliance offers cheap tune ups but honestly idk how much work they really do and they do make their money with upsells that’s how their able to keep those tune ups low. I’d charge about 100 for one while they charge 99 for 2. Lol
@brandoballer472 жыл бұрын
When the salesman shows up, wearing a giant flashy gold watch and flashy earrings. If you hire them, just remember, you're paying for that.
@JohnDoe-fk9bg2 жыл бұрын
should see his car, 2019 Maclaren.
@thehvachacker6 ай бұрын
There is new standards on efficiency. It’s not on existing systems already installed. It’s on new systems being installed. I dislike the dishonest approach these salesman use. People should have someone or a company that does maintenance and not focus on sales. I have lots of old systems running out there. As seen in many of my vids
@patbhvac1 Жыл бұрын
She's checking the price on a Goodman furnace on a online site. It's cheaper online because any furnaces sold online will not have a warranty.
@robb652 жыл бұрын
I had answered a job ad for a inbound call center, went in for an interview and they asked me to come back. Second day I show up and they tell us we are going for lunch, then drive us 1.5hrs away to go door to door to upgrade Hvac and water filtration. I felt kidnapped, stuck going door to door and watching this 'manager' force himself into people's homes. We had the cops called us, continued knocking on doors after dark- it was messed up, I never went back. It was exactly like this. This needs to be stopped.
@patzeuner83852 жыл бұрын
Don't you have taxis, uber, Lyft in your area or a cellphone to call a friend to get a ride home. When they dropped you off for door to door sales didn't you figure out you were being screwed.
@swtlisa2 жыл бұрын
They basically kidnapped you. People need to know that if this happens, call the police and tell them you were told you’re going to lunch and you were kidnapped and driven 1.5 hours away.
@LivsTanks2 жыл бұрын
Similar happened to me but selling internet, was told I would be doing reception work ended up being door to door.
@PirateSpaceCat10 ай бұрын
@@LivsTanks lets sure and make 1000000000
@seroxide2 жыл бұрын
I own a small one man HVAC business here in North Texas. Out of approximately 800 service calls a year, I only see about 50 systems that really need to be replaced. Most have minor problems that are easily fixed. I have one customer that has a 1968 Lennox system that still works just fine. She's the original owner! The guys with the morning commercials are the ones to be afraid of.
@kcha4792 жыл бұрын
Dang right. Was almost scammed to replace our heating system for a new one. It only needed a part replaced.
@cooltech732 жыл бұрын
I still have in working order a Lennox system since 1998, fingers crossed it last another 5yrs. Lol
@trod90002 жыл бұрын
ive seen a 68 lennox, cool creme and red paint job and it worked fine
@corey55262 жыл бұрын
1968? That sounds like CAP. Refrigerant for a unit that old has long been phased out. With all the VOCs floating around that system has never had a leak? I don't believe you.
@BabyKMoney2 жыл бұрын
Right a 54 year old system that never leaked, what type of refrigerant is it and is it even still around.
@theldraspneumonoultramicro4052 жыл бұрын
why scams like this is even remotley possible is utterly disgusting, there *NEED* to be legal sanctions against these scamers. they need to arrest these people.
@MISTAKEWASMADE4live2 жыл бұрын
No, what needs to happen is they need to start getting executed, cut up and have their body parts thrown in the woods, that's how you stop this robbery.
@milkmancow511 ай бұрын
Unfortunately the government and laws are disgusting also
@mattl999 Жыл бұрын
Heating and ac replacements will typically go for around 12k if it isnt a side job.
@lovenaturepets6 ай бұрын
I used to own a house and my mother was living with me. I was out shopping and when I came back.There was a water softener installed in my house without my consent. The house is owned by me, Not my mom so she didn't have the authority to sign anything. I was shocked.😮😢😮. I called them up. And I told them the situation and they didn't want to fix the problem. So I told them since I didn't give them the authority or I didn't sign anything as a home owner. I am not responsible so I'm gonna take it out now and throw it across the street if they don't come now and take it out.. They came within fifteen minutes and took the unit out of my house and that was that. I didn't hear from them since. This is so crazy
@tannerquigley7512 жыл бұрын
Honestly just replacing the water tank yourself is like a million times easier and cheaper just did it the other day in our house. Doing things yourself is always best when possible
@Rokomarn2 жыл бұрын
They could probably get away with that if it's electric but I wouldn't trust them with gas. These are the same people that are shocked they have to pay what they agreed to in a contract.
@joshymcdaniel92332 жыл бұрын
Why? U just turn the gas hose handle right on water tank’ make sure u get pipe dope to seal it up and spray soapy water to make sure no gas leaks Disconnect 2 water lines and swap’ it’s so so simple’ no idea why these companies charge 600$ plus in labor
@teribrown13112 жыл бұрын
This is heartbreaking. People work so hard and for so long to be homeowners. First saving for the down payment, then paying the mortgages for a minimum for 20 to 30 years, while paying for the ever-increasing maintenance costs and expenses of home ownership: oil, gas, water, insurances, and taxes. Now, homeowners must add the expense of retaining a lawyer in keep predators like this business from stealing their most valued asset and/or sanctuary: their home. Should contracts with a Security Registration Clause have a mandatory 3 to 10 days review process for the customer, to provide customers time to read the contract and ask any questions before it is signed and enforced?
@shahir78372 жыл бұрын
Cant get enough of this show. CBC doing work for the people!!!
@BurntLemmons8 ай бұрын
I’m at HVAC technician service and install. And I’m just amazed at the dishonesty they’re really giving us a bad name
@CUEBALL4245 ай бұрын
Selling a freaking Goodman for 12grand....unreal!
@Mechanical-Animal2 жыл бұрын
The episode needs a conclusion. Why aren't those douchey looking scammers in jail since you have them on camera? Useless Ontario government not doing its job.
@kyorkdabbagh77592 жыл бұрын
what government you are talking about Ontario government is scammer too
@glenhuysamer2 жыл бұрын
If the Ontario Government is doing nothing, it can only mean that some persons inside of the structure is benefiting....either directly or through a family setup.
@MaximilianGros2 жыл бұрын
Are you sure the government is the right contact? In Germany, that would only be a matter for the public prosecutor.
@sylvianblade752 жыл бұрын
lol South Park was right after all about the Canadian government working as a pay to win model.
@jiggyjr802 жыл бұрын
@@kyorkdabbagh7759 hahaha
@C_M_R2 жыл бұрын
I am from the US and heard about HVAC rentals from my friend in Toronto this past summer, and I was shocked. I've never heard of this concept before. When my HVAC unit died, I had to pay a one time amount + service costs to get it replaced. Seeing people pay thousands and having liens placed on their property for a simple install of a Nest doorbell seems insane.
@earlestes86492 жыл бұрын
It’s a wonder that they don’t find someone with a screwdriver shoved into his peeing device, in a alley etc.
@pmb66672 жыл бұрын
@@earlestes8649 Nowadays, with nothing else being done, I think consumers may have to start hiring someone...
@5tyyu2 жыл бұрын
Ontario has no jobs. Desperate jobseekers get these jobs by seeing ads on craigslist etc. Govt is not bothered
@Slodin2 жыл бұрын
honestly, I live on the west coast of Canada, and we did the same thing. Replace the damn thing with an one time fee and installation (750bucks taxes in for a boiler + install). I didn't even know there is rental for these, that is until one day someone knocked on my door looking like a gov contractor trying to enter my home to check my heater/boiler. Something in my gut feels off with this, because the gov I know never cares about people to actually to send out contractors, they are not that efficient period. Quickly researched and warned people i knew and dispelled a few disasters maybe.
@Justanotherfuckingobserver2 жыл бұрын
I just got a paper from our power company today (!!!!!) offering a free nest, retail $130, for free, there's absolutely no way!!!
@h.b.71042 жыл бұрын
Alex Hermosa should be in jail. What a thief.
@SORGIGERMANICO2 жыл бұрын
Idk if it's just Canada but here in the USA I never heard of renting a HVAC system
@frankm8533 Жыл бұрын
Me either my uncle had a hvac coming from the 70s till 2017 when he retired ive never heard of that
@sunnyd6019 Жыл бұрын
This is very common. I also wish more people would talk about poor install also. I had a new water heater installed and told the man the vent was an issue, he said nope and guess what the vent is backdrafting fumes into my home now I am working to fix with someone else. So not only are people scammed then poor installs follow and they could be dangerous and impact your health such as CO poisoning.
@rosewoodsteel6656 Жыл бұрын
You wouldn't believe the $hit install at my nieces house by a so-called professional. The return duct was attached by one screw and a 2" sheet metal gap was filled with duct tape. The system was only two years old and had a refrigerant leak that "couldn't be fixed", so they shot some kind of "stop leak" into the system. There were many other problems with the install, as well.
@brandonprimeau22672 жыл бұрын
Simply green home services is one of the worst.
@rickjones79772 жыл бұрын
Cbc has written many stories about them already. Its crazy there still in business.
@brandonkelusky24932 жыл бұрын
Simply green home services is just one of many companies.
@taylorbug92 жыл бұрын
"Rent a furnace" if they want to rent you an appliance that's a red flag.
@missanthrope54332 жыл бұрын
My mind is literally blown 🤯 HOW is this happening? I feel so incredibly bad for the trusting people that got swindled. I hope there’s a class action suit against these disgusting companies. Terrible.
@skipmagil9 ай бұрын
Lol
@timc98936 ай бұрын
You'd be shocked if you knew how much this type of shenanigan goes on.
@Mike-012344 ай бұрын
99% contractors are scumbags when they go to a home take advantage of elderly, or woman who has no idea. The commercial side is completely different because business's have people who know what they are doing contractors kiss our asses. If they don't we will find 20 others who will.
@alankcd822 жыл бұрын
1,80.hundre dollars just for the furnace but there is mor involved the 12,000 include the AC, installation and more materials to install the system plus she is financing. The first case doesn't make sense. A new 96% furnace and AC system for 12, 000 is no cheaper but is not a huge price
@shirwanour1448 ай бұрын
Ron is my college professor and I have to say he is an expert in HVAC.
@Sjaak_b2 жыл бұрын
Fun part is. The government is like. Yea we know it happens we know who it does... But we dont care.
@Investigamer2 жыл бұрын
A Home Depot affiliated consultant (from ARS Rescue Rooter) said I needed to replace my entire AC system and that it would cost north of 10,000$... instead we hired a local guy who only replaced the outside unit (the only part that ACTUALLY had a freon leak despite what the Home Depot salesman said), cleaned the inside coil, and improved insulation around the intake for a total of 2400$ including labor. HVAC companies are incredibly rapacious, always get at least 3 quotes on a job and do your research
@bik3r2302 жыл бұрын
Find a trustworthy mechanic, contractor and lawyer and only ever use them
@walterbrunswick2 жыл бұрын
@@bik3r230 through recommendations is the best way I haven't advertised once
@mattjohnson20812 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a side job
@antonlavey55402 жыл бұрын
You got ripped off if you only bought a condenser and not the evaporator too. You can't clean a freon 22 coil and use it on a high pressure R 410a condenser.
@Investigamer2 жыл бұрын
@@antonlavey5540 It's a fairly new mobile home with a special A frame coil the coil was in excellent shape and we got a good deal by cleaning it instead of replacing it because these particular coils were very hard to get at the time due to supply chain, there were no leaks in the coil. The condenser we bought is spec'd perfect for use with these modern mobile home coils, my father is a home builder and electrician so he's well aware of those concerns. The condenser was only 820$ from a local HVAC wholesaler as we have a contractor relationship with them. Given the timing that price was very good and the labor price was reasonable given the amount of hours they put into the job and the 4 quotes we got before hiring the final guy. I'm happy with the result, the efficiency has been great through the brutal Texas summer.
@davidrenaud7362 жыл бұрын
Had those vaulters in my home making ridiculous claims for savings and current equipment efficiencies, without any test or equipment. I just laughed. When I got subsequent followup phone calls, I just quoted the BBB warning and that gave a quick hangup by them. The reason why these people are not in prison is because our governance don't care, period.
@glennbeadshaw7272 жыл бұрын
Fleecing the flock is good for them
@twingzable2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing this to light! It's important to know about these scama
@PirateSpaceCat10 ай бұрын
scams or scams
@cannaj8755 ай бұрын
Solar people are the same come and say they can save you money by switching to solar energy supplier and that a charge from the government will not be charged. Sure it saves you like $15 charge but costs you $40-200 a month more because of delivery charges. It’s a contract too so no getting out of it. They make $100 for each person who buys in
@cesarbg43862 жыл бұрын
I'm watching from Mexico and I am amazed on how tricky Canadian companies are. I've seen many Marketplace episodes, and I am SHOCKED.
@michaelargenta38562 жыл бұрын
I almost cried when that older lady paid 12,000 for something that cost less then 2,000$$. Those people ought be in jail..
@truckguy6.72 жыл бұрын
We have to teach people. Telling people its 2000 is false too. It's not 2000. To be fair that furnace installed is around 4500-5000 installed. Anymore than that is robbery.
@losheroes60762 жыл бұрын
@@truckguy6.7 soem dude tried charging me 8500 for furnace.
@johnbisson1413 Жыл бұрын
It’s not just the furnace. It appears as the also purchased and A coil and A/C condenser. It takes many hours to install and is probably charging 100+ an hour. Parts have mark up(everything has mark up even the sodas you buy at the store) that’s how company’s make money. How long is the insulated copper line set. Did an electrician need to come out or redo duct work? There a lot more to it than just the cost of the furnace.
@kdha2005012 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bring this issue to light. I wish there are laws to put these scammer in prison!
@zkiiffs9 Жыл бұрын
They should at least be fined into bankruptcy
@andybub455 ай бұрын
This is why I never give door to door salesmen a minute of my time. It’s “no thank you, not interested” and if they keep pushing then I’ll push back. 90% of them are scammers whether they know it or not.
@ericsanders49227 ай бұрын
I'm a little late to the party but I just now saw this clip. I own a commercial restaurant equipment repair company and have done residential work in the past and absolutely hated it for this very reason. There are more damn crooks in this field than there are honest people that's for sure. There are companies that only do work for the home warranty companies which is a scam to start with but the guys working there as "technicians" (I use that word very loosely) were making over $100,000 a year and didn't know their rear end from a hole in a stump. At best they were parts changers, if they had enough parts they could eventually get something fixed. It takes some really sociopathic people to work for these kinds of companies, from the office staff to the techs.
@mikeking1342 жыл бұрын
I would never buy into a monthly furnace or A/C contract because that will cost you a ton of money you could have saved buy just purchasing the units outright. The sales rep was correct with regards to the water tank however. They are not built to last and tend to rust out at the bottom around 10yrs, it happened to me and I had water damage in my basement. If it was a rental you have the right to request a new unit from your supplier free of charge at 10yrs. I think that's pretty standard these days.
@sabrinababbina13112 жыл бұрын
Hi from Ohio 🇺🇸 ...appriciate all the work this news crew puts into actually helping people solve problems/scams....it's a good reminder to us all...people like this are out there, and if it wasn't for news crews like this, they might never get caught
@derick34822 жыл бұрын
americans have a better way to deal with this file a lawsuit that is one day to make these vultures stop
@bobboscarato13132 жыл бұрын
In Texas HVAC cos. are licensed and insured. If someone is caught doing repairs or replacement unauthorized, they can go to jail. Sometimes customers are at fault trying to get a bargain...
@adammcpherson12372 жыл бұрын
And that lady definitely had a 80% furnace and now she has a 90%. No way you're not saving on gas. The prices went up this year compared to last on utility so you can't compare. And I don't care if the furnace was $2 online nobody's installing it for that and warranty it. Plus it's rented. Finance a car and see what you end up paying in the end
@Jake_Smith7472 Жыл бұрын
Contacting business owner. About the water heater, when we see its 10+ years we RECOMMEND a new one before it bursts and you have no hot water and water all over the basement. Depending if they have a water softener or softer water from the city, water heater lasts 10-12 years. The whole "you have 6 days to get it replaced" is probably a lie.
@plur902 ай бұрын
That's how often the anode rod needs replacement, not the tank itself, at least with the water here. 2-3 times as often with hard municipal water or any well water.
@glenarseneau12315 ай бұрын
Water heaters on average last 7-10 years, so at about 10years and anything over it could start to leak
@jaydensmith2082 жыл бұрын
The CEO everyone.....disgusting The suspect, identified as 25-year-old Saeed Moravvej Torbati of Ottawa, surrendered to police after investigators released a photograph of the man and a picture of a vehicle similar to the one the suspect would have been driving at the time of the collision. A suspect wanted in a fatal hit-and-run in Scarborough last Thursday has surrendered to police, investigators confirm. Police say a 56-year-old woman was trying to cross Markham Road near Nashdene Road at around 10 p.m. on March 31 when she was struck by a Mercedes.
@randomrazr2 жыл бұрын
is he in prison
@donttellmejustlisten45982 жыл бұрын
What ?? He got what he deserved???
@randomrazr2 жыл бұрын
@@generationxdad so the CEO, is not even from canada. this company isnt even canadian
@Jeffnvz2 жыл бұрын
@@randomrazr The infamous 407 highway isn't owned by Canadians either.
@randomrazr2 жыл бұрын
@@Jeffnvz like by benchodeS?
@xxbambamxx72612 жыл бұрын
It's also a problem with the government allowing for this to happend.. When a county sees a flow of lien claims coming in, å red flag should raise...
@apfish35572 жыл бұрын
Make a documentary on dishonest companies & show them on public tv exposing the scammers !!
@bobboscarato13132 жыл бұрын
Most local TV stations have exposes on dishonest companies!
@jaracgos2 жыл бұрын
Rental contracts are bad but if you think you're getting a furnace for $1,800 you've lost your mind.
@shaheenwara44745 ай бұрын
Whats the difference between this and Reliance rentals?? They are also soooooooooooo expensive. Over the last 10 years I have paid for that 6000$ for a water heater which costs $800. And it is so expensive to get our of the contract too.
@sharonk69532 жыл бұрын
These people deserve to be in a special jail cell without heat or Air conditioning
@KOFIV772 жыл бұрын
CBC great show but how about a show showing how to best exit these contracts. You have identified the problem but not provided possible solutions. what can individuals do now if they are in a contract?
@marcosepe99562 жыл бұрын
You have a 2 year window to take this complaint to the ministry of consumer affairs where they will lay charges against the company if you do not do it within the 2 year window you need to get a lawyer a good contract lawyer which will cost a few bucks.. There are also class action lawsuits.
@KOFIV772 жыл бұрын
@@marcosepe9956 thanks!
@grae_n2 жыл бұрын
For the 12k lady, I also think smalls claim court is a possibility. She probably wouldn't get the full amount back, but most judges would intervene to some degree. Also more questionably wouldn't breaching contract be fine here? The damages are likely going to cost significantly less than the contract (should talk to a lawyer first though).
@mistrykr2 жыл бұрын
That's why I never open door for any door-to-door sellers ... Remember guys, when they are offering you a free product (e.g. door bell camera), you are THE PRODUCT !
@-slurmdaddy-8147 Жыл бұрын
It was scheduled if they planted cameras and had the honest guy look at it before hand. But yea door to door is sketch
@blackericdenice Жыл бұрын
I’ve owned a 1993 house for 2.5 years now. It still has the original heater. They told me when I bought the house. I needed a new system. It heats my house just fine. I see no reason to buy a new one.
@ajayharjani Жыл бұрын
I also have been scammed by Ontario Green Savings and have a lien on my house for a hepa filter. My story is exactly what you see here in the video! Could anyone share a lawyer's contact that they have used to help them remove the lien on their house? This would really help me!
@billybbob182 жыл бұрын
I've never had this happen, but when someone tells me to get the F out of their house, I would leave right away. It's really bad practice to argue with a customer in their own home period. The only time i've had to argue was regarding a furnace in dangerous condition with a rotted heat exchanger and heavily corroded chassis with the safeties bypassed by some dip$hit. If they walk into your house with a tablet instead of a tool bag, then send them on their way. The "sales tech" is usually one who appears to be really well groomed with very clean and scratchless hands. It's a sign that they don't actually work on heating equipment.
@jiggyjr802 жыл бұрын
lol spot on
@Cheepchipsable2 жыл бұрын
Yes, leasing is almost always the most expensive option for a consumer appliance.
@Vashtstamped2 жыл бұрын
In Texas you have about 3 seconds to get out the house if you know whats best when they say to leave lol