CBR 1000 Off Road Buggy Part 17

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rather B welding

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@fishinkarts2865
@fishinkarts2865 4 жыл бұрын
I make my chain tensioners using idler sprockets with a bearing in them. They're cheap, they last longer than anything else, they're quiet, and they also help keep the chain aligned.
@talonlouie1443
@talonlouie1443 3 жыл бұрын
instablaster
@Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes
@Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes 4 жыл бұрын
White Teflon-style Cutting boards (for a kitchen) from HARBOR FREIGHT works GREAT for chain guard/guide material
@hoagiesherlin7732
@hoagiesherlin7732 4 жыл бұрын
All you need too protect your sprockets is a disk a little larger than the chain bolted at the hub next to the sprocket
@9HighFlyer9
@9HighFlyer9 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I've been trying to figure something out for my GSX-R 750 build. You just saved me a few hours of cutting and welding.
@kasuraga
@kasuraga 4 жыл бұрын
Yup BMX guys have been doing this for decades. I used to have a sprocket guard on my bike for grinding on.
@9HighFlyer9
@9HighFlyer9 4 жыл бұрын
@@kasuraga I used to ride downhill mtbs we did it too. Not sure why I didn't make the connection, other than it being like 20years ago.
@rong4189
@rong4189 4 жыл бұрын
Have two cables and two shift levers, one for upshifts, one for downshifts. Each cable would be pulling, not pushing. Cables don’t like to be pushed.
@SeaCowsBeatLobsters
@SeaCowsBeatLobsters 4 жыл бұрын
Was he using return springs? Cables should work with sufficiently powerful return springs Edit: 2 cables, just with one lever.
@Avetho
@Avetho 4 жыл бұрын
If you use a cable, sure, they like to always be in tension, but there are "Push Pull Control Cables" designed to push as well as they pull, but of course they are more expensive but at least they last longer and don't need their tension adjusted when they stretch since, well, they don't stretch since they aren't under tension and if they are then they're being used wrong. Regardless, his method of using rods and levers is just fine, if he likes it that way I'll respect that despite me being one of the ones suggesting the push-pull cables. Oh well, I think rods and levers is a cool solution XD
@radekvamowski8092
@radekvamowski8092 4 жыл бұрын
most cables are not made to push.... he should have used 2 cables with his shifter.... always having one pull and the other just follow back....
@funkydunkygaming
@funkydunkygaming 4 жыл бұрын
Yall dumb he was using shift cables which are meant to be pushed
@funkydunkygaming
@funkydunkygaming 4 жыл бұрын
How you think manual honda cars shift?
@schalkvanheerden837
@schalkvanheerden837 4 жыл бұрын
Once again I'm completely and utterly amazed by what you get done on your own without any help. I learn so much from just watching, not that I would be able to do anything you do. I love your channel, plz never stop!!! Can't wait for the next one.
@Nevertrustalawyer
@Nevertrustalawyer 4 жыл бұрын
The chain(s) will eat through the swing arm. On dirt bikes they use nylon to protect the aluminum swinger and it is a “consumable”.
@justinstergar6757
@justinstergar6757 4 жыл бұрын
Your fab skills are top notch! Very impressive
@tylerstosich8744
@tylerstosich8744 4 жыл бұрын
Great project! I would recommend some form of a firewall between you and cooling system, if you blow a hose or overheat the machine you could get burned badly.
@ryanlancaster3239
@ryanlancaster3239 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe put some cheap bushings in the bolt holes and the pivot points on your linkages for the shifter? It would tighten it up without making it harder to shift and make it quieter. Also, don't forget the seatbelt you mentioned on the last test drive.
@Iann128
@Iann128 4 жыл бұрын
Been watching your channel for a long time. You are getting better every video. Love watching you make stuff on the lathe that you made. Keep up the good work.
@Boostedlifestyle
@Boostedlifestyle 4 жыл бұрын
i love this channel.
@francklegarage7162
@francklegarage7162 4 жыл бұрын
Great job doing your upgrades Chris. I would recommend adding an expansion tank to your radiator. The motorcycle radiator needs one as there is no room in the rad itself. You should still have one from that bike wreck. Great video again. Thanks
@thomaspigg306
@thomaspigg306 4 жыл бұрын
You mentioned skid plates... you could make the skid plates and rear wheel chain guards together. Since both move on about the same platform, just an idea. Love the build!!! keep on keeping on!!!
@adamr9215
@adamr9215 4 жыл бұрын
You need to pick one bolt pattern for the sprockets and stick with it. It would save a lot of headache when it comes to stuff like this. If you pick a specific application (ie 2005 gsxr1000) then everything will line up without any issues. I know that specific Suzuki bolt pattern was used on hundreds of bikes ranging from small 2 strokes to big bikes, so there are many sprocket options that will fit it.
@Mad.Man.Marine
@Mad.Man.Marine 4 жыл бұрын
Guy he had to change it because there was no way to fit that small of a sprocket on that big of a pattern. Now. If he had picked a bolt pattern that was real small to begins with he would have been fin. But there usually isn’t a happy medium when you have to drop that many teeth
@adamr9215
@adamr9215 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mad.Man.Marine I don’t think you understand what I am saying. He needs to go to one hub style for every build he does. That way, everything will be interchangeable. Pick one that gives a lot of options and you are golden. Also, the sprocket size vs bolt pattern wasn’t the problem, it was the availability of a sprocket in that size with the correct bolt pattern. That’s why I was saying to pick a hub, like I suggested, that was used on everything from dirt bikes to sport bikes, meaning a huge range of sizes are easy to find.
@Ratkill9000
@Ratkill9000 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was going to comment that all he had to do was going with an Azusa sprocket hub with a known bolt pattern and match sprockets that fit in the tooth size he needs. Would've saved him hours of machining and would've maybe taken an hour tops of new sprockets and redoing the chains. Another thing is, split sprockets so that way it's less hassle to change hard to reach areas.
@Mad.Man.Marine
@Mad.Man.Marine 4 жыл бұрын
@@adamr9215 sorry. Def misunderstood you.
@billyhellboy6138
@billyhellboy6138 4 жыл бұрын
Tapout Mc noitall ta tapa go on
@scottking329
@scottking329 4 жыл бұрын
I'm just amazed .You put a video out every week . I start a project and get stuck for weeks figuring it out
@orvillenorth8815
@orvillenorth8815 4 жыл бұрын
I enjoy the different types of music. I was rocking out last video to the rock music. Now I’m jamming to to this
@HugosGoKartsHd
@HugosGoKartsHd 4 жыл бұрын
nice, love this project, hope you get the speed you want.
@matthewf1979
@matthewf1979 4 жыл бұрын
Great job Chris! Making a few bushings out of UHMWP/cutting board plastic for the shifter would kill the slop and noise. I love that stuff, Acetal/Delrin too.
@orvillenorth8815
@orvillenorth8815 4 жыл бұрын
I like how your so precise with how sure you are it’ll work
@BrainsofFrank
@BrainsofFrank 4 жыл бұрын
Wow!! The sheer brilliance of your mind amazies me
@joester7321
@joester7321 4 жыл бұрын
Man, you’re one talented builder, love the content, been watching your videos for awhile, true inspiration!!
@TripleXclown
@TripleXclown 4 жыл бұрын
LOVED The Trailing Arm Notation!! Gj Chris!
@drewanderson8279
@drewanderson8279 4 жыл бұрын
Cant wait to see this thing rip!! I really enjoy watching you work! So does my 2 year old. I'm sure he will be building too!
@ReyRango
@ReyRango 4 жыл бұрын
Dude I just want to say, keep it up man. I love your videos and your builds. 🤘
@borntwisted
@borntwisted 4 жыл бұрын
Always impressed with the work (and the amount of work) you put into your projects :)
@willgrcmt
@willgrcmt 4 жыл бұрын
I love machining delrin. So easy to work with.
@razvan7819
@razvan7819 4 жыл бұрын
i just cant believe one guy can do all of this, you are amazing bro keep up! *subbed*
@heli-man-
@heli-man- 4 жыл бұрын
I am surprised you have not made yourself a motorised turntable for welding around hubs and likewise, like a lazy Suzan with a stepper motor a arduino board and potentiometer as a speed controller. You will be able to get your hubs etc turning the perfect speed for welding smoothly with great results. 👍
@bradleyj.fortner2203
@bradleyj.fortner2203 4 жыл бұрын
You did a lot of stuff in this one. Good video. Can't wait to see the next test drive.
@caseyladd8688
@caseyladd8688 4 жыл бұрын
Man I wish I had your patience and motivation. Doing great work!
@NoneyoBisniss
@NoneyoBisniss 4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever tried nylon bushing in your shift linkages? Could really smooth things out and quiet them down. 😉
@ianellithorpe5918
@ianellithorpe5918 4 жыл бұрын
I think all your changes look great can't wait to see you drive it again. Keep the vids coming
@petermulders1501
@petermulders1501 4 жыл бұрын
I always love the look of your projects while they're bare metal. This one should be clear coated, not painted. With so much steel and welding work going into it you should show it off for the world to see
@Thor555555
@Thor555555 4 жыл бұрын
chain tensioner out of plastic is also very durable, wondered why you made the first out of steel. at the beginning the chain will grind grooves into the plastic and you have to retide the chain, but once the grooves are deep enough the chain run on its rollers over the chain tensioner roll an wouldn´t wear down very much any longer.
@gagewilson239
@gagewilson239 4 жыл бұрын
Paint the cage orange and have blue accents👌 would look badass
@Bstep1300
@Bstep1300 4 жыл бұрын
You can make chain slides out of a delrin cutting board. I made one for my motorcycle about 5000 miles ago and it's working out great!
@MaNNeRz91
@MaNNeRz91 4 жыл бұрын
The scratching sounds when you was spinning the sprockets on the bench was very fitting 😆😆😆
@thecorbies
@thecorbies 4 жыл бұрын
Cables are really only designed to work in a 'pulling' direction. No matter what diameter or how stiff they might be. The best way I've found to use cables - not least to reduce/eliminate slack or free play in the linkage is to use a 'closed cable' system. That is to say, have one cable connected FROM the gear lever (in this case), to whatever you want pulled, and then another cable is attached to the rear of that thing, and route the cable back to the other side of the your gear lever. Make the cables adjustable so they can be reduce/eliminate any or all of the free play. This way, the cables effectively make a closed, adjustable loop. Job done. Try it maybe, and I'm sure you'll love it and won't go back to janky old rods. Regards Mark in the UK
@janeblogs324
@janeblogs324 4 жыл бұрын
23:04 chain tensioner is on the wrong side of the chain, assuming its anticlockwise Chains will eat that tube work for breakfast too
@jeremyadams1980
@jeremyadams1980 4 жыл бұрын
Please hide your wiring in the frame. Drill a hole, fish your wiring through, and install a rubber grommet to protect the wire from chaffing on the metal. It will clean that buggy up! You make me want to get a lathe to be able to send my projects to the next level. Also over in TN so give me a shout.
@redbeard_raccoon
@redbeard_raccoon 4 жыл бұрын
Just a heads up, you should put grease fittings on your shifter linkage points and grease them up.
@SuperBungeeman
@SuperBungeeman 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome job. Love this project. Regarding the chain tensioner i would use like 15 tooth sprocket instead of the roller. It would last a long time and be way quieter IMHO.
@vintagetintrader1062
@vintagetintrader1062 4 жыл бұрын
Put the shifter on the left side, so simple. A direct linkage is all that’s required. No bell cranks needed.
@cd07r6
@cd07r6 4 жыл бұрын
All of these keyboard ninjas trying to tell YOU how to do things makes me laugh... Keep up the great work and videos!!!!!
@Canadian_Craftsman
@Canadian_Craftsman 4 жыл бұрын
Well said bro there's DOers and SAYers...😄✌
@jmyd83
@jmyd83 4 жыл бұрын
Tesla motor n battery 4 Front fwd n then 😂 4X4 could try Prius setup n Tesla Sparks 🙏
@NoneyoBisniss
@NoneyoBisniss 4 жыл бұрын
"The person with ALL the answers doesn't need suggestions from others." 🤯 #sarcasm Chris isn't scared of feedback because often times, problems encountered during customization and fabrication, have already been encountered and solved. It's only a big deal for egotists. 🤔 Sometimes it's better to not try and recreate the wheel. There's more than one means to a given end and employing lessons learned is ok.
@jmyd83
@jmyd83 4 жыл бұрын
@@NoneyoBisniss Okay Dry You're Pants 😭 Chris is a Star Doing a Build i can't DO and I'm in Awe Butt', Me saying a Hybrid fwd system wood bee SkooL as chUck ISN'T a Criticism ME Dream 2 😂
@2011metalmaniac
@2011metalmaniac 4 жыл бұрын
They are not telling him how to do things they are putting forward ideas. Some of them are really good ideas.
@micflynn1
@micflynn1 4 жыл бұрын
Rather b welding I got an idea for an electronic three-speed with reverse transmission / gearbox that would be cool for you to build if there's some way we could work on it together.
@navalinfidel3003
@navalinfidel3003 3 жыл бұрын
Really nice work! I like the way you set up the rear suspension on this too. It looks great cannot wait to see you run it. Peace. JMO.
@ohmdur9224
@ohmdur9224 4 жыл бұрын
Use a sprocket on the chain tensioner with the same bearing system. Might make less noise.
@mr.braapalicious
@mr.braapalicious 4 жыл бұрын
You have quite the beast there! Respect!
@Mattmazz77
@Mattmazz77 4 жыл бұрын
Idk that's a drastic change in gearing. It's going to have way more torque...lol. That IRS is crazy, love watching the machining process though. You're very talented brother.
@houset1794
@houset1794 4 жыл бұрын
I agree with your original statement their swing arms just happens to be two of them!
@Hotroddunn21
@Hotroddunn21 4 жыл бұрын
If the chain tensioner is still noisy or wearing fast you might want to relocate it to the bottom of the chain where it gets slack when you accelerate.
@jamesholt2403
@jamesholt2403 4 жыл бұрын
But that chain is slack side on top... (Motor to gearbox)
@mercermechanics1788
@mercermechanics1788 4 жыл бұрын
Man I love this thing please keep up the great work man ! 👍🏽💯 love the videos !!!
@aeror115
@aeror115 4 жыл бұрын
Cool project! It’s gonna be a monster
@travman2863
@travman2863 4 жыл бұрын
Your Steel chain tensioner wheel is a good idea you just need to reinforc it With The right Material or structure like Linex or Raptor bedliner Good for wear Resistant when you Slide stuff in and out of a truck Bad and sound dampening tow.
@roadlife8973
@roadlife8973 4 жыл бұрын
Love the 82 percent lol keep up the good work
@JoelArseneaultYouTube
@JoelArseneaultYouTube 4 жыл бұрын
If the tensioner has wear issues, you can get a small sprocket and use that instead. Great video. Glad the shifting worked out for you and I like the mods that you did to the trailing arms... pretty sure it's acceptable to call these swing arms.... My thoughts would be that they are swing arms and more specifically trailing swing arms. Either way, we all know what you meant and that's all that matters.
@bryandhispup
@bryandhispup 4 жыл бұрын
Are you going to put your wiring in some type of covering? Or wrap it in cloth tape?
@cinnamonrollypoly
@cinnamonrollypoly 4 жыл бұрын
I noticed you got a new bit holder for your lathe.
@fattonysgarage67
@fattonysgarage67 4 жыл бұрын
Love all the builds bro!
@jeolman1
@jeolman1 4 жыл бұрын
why not slice the sprockets in half, so you can quick-change them?
@nilswinter7195
@nilswinter7195 4 жыл бұрын
There is only 1 problem if he cuts the already existing sprokets tey wouldnt be round anymore
@dodge8802
@dodge8802 4 жыл бұрын
I was under the pretense no one cut sprockets in half you buy split sprockets designed for that use
@nilswinter7195
@nilswinter7195 4 жыл бұрын
There are gokart sprokets that are split .but whit the little muche more powere lile in te situation whit this built i dont think they would hold up pretty long
@jeolman1
@jeolman1 4 жыл бұрын
he has a shop full of tools, he could figure it out.. split sprockets are used all the time in industrial applications, with much more torque and duty cycle than a cart, also all with cheap ass industrial chains.. A split sprocket with 90 rotated degree split backer plates sandwiching the sprocket.. it will never fail if done right.
@Ratkill9000
@Ratkill9000 4 жыл бұрын
Azusa sells split sprockets for an additional 50 cents to a normal sprocket. I think that's a well worth investment if it ends up saving an hours worth of time each sprocket change over.
@carlpeters9523
@carlpeters9523 4 жыл бұрын
you can acquire a variety of thickness's of Teflon in a sample pak from Mcmaster Carr , use a skateboard wheel or a cutting board to keep chain off of trailing arm .. great toy there .
@jdead9201
@jdead9201 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris. A motorcycle hydraulic steering damper will control the slop in the gear shifter and maybe stop some shifts to neutral off throttle on rough terrain. All round great work and imagination though
@MikeMac90
@MikeMac90 4 жыл бұрын
I was yelling at the phone to take the cable off of the shifter! Lol I don't think the cable is a good option if you need to push into it. It flexes too much and doesn't allow a good precise motion. Glad to see it gone and a more precise method used. 👍🏻
@kevinkev1530
@kevinkev1530 4 жыл бұрын
Always cool an educational 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@Toolingabout
@Toolingabout 4 жыл бұрын
Chris, my challenge to you: make your next project light, minimal, less steel, less reinforcement, tap holes instead of nut and bolt, count every ounce.
@acurarl9929
@acurarl9929 4 жыл бұрын
The chain tensioner needs to be 2-3 times in diameter if you want it to be quieter as your radius of wheel is almost the same radius as the chain links currently. That’s why you have all the noise. Hints it was loud af when you just moved chain by hand after new wheel was on
@Zackmiranda2324
@Zackmiranda2324 4 жыл бұрын
i’ve been watching you since 20k subs i remember the first vid i watched was u trying to bump start that dirtbike down ur hill such great content👍
@bossmanmoran4890
@bossmanmoran4890 4 жыл бұрын
Love the consistency
@garypeterson9083
@garypeterson9083 3 жыл бұрын
For your chain tensioner, I recommend using a small sprocket. It will be much quieter. Awesome build, that's quite a machine you have there. Did the oil ever accumulate any more water? I was so worried that it might be coolant, like from a bad head gasket.
@CMBProjects
@CMBProjects 4 жыл бұрын
Good job Chris!!
@brentschuler2795
@brentschuler2795 2 жыл бұрын
On a lot of projects about the chain tensioner using a toothed idlers would eliminate lots of wear and noise
@geoffreyjones2000
@geoffreyjones2000 4 жыл бұрын
It looks like a giant flea, sir ... I love it
@eduardomartinsrcm8707
@eduardomartinsrcm8707 4 жыл бұрын
Congratulation your work is the best
@BraxxJuventa
@BraxxJuventa 4 жыл бұрын
👍😁 Well done Chris.
@Nevertrustalawyer
@Nevertrustalawyer 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris! What you have on the rear end is more like a swing-arm than a trailing are. 👍🏻
@Mad.Man.Marine
@Mad.Man.Marine 4 жыл бұрын
Just a thought. Next time try two cables. One top one bottom. That way there is always one pulling. I’ve done it on both motorcycle go carts I’ve built a d it’s smooth as butter.
@thannats4859
@thannats4859 4 жыл бұрын
I can make you T-shirts with "Trailing Arms" logo so you wont forget it again or T-shirts with " i got to end this video here thank you all for watching i'll see you in next video" xaxaxa :P . I am a viewer from Greece my friend and i have to say that i admire your work , your patience and your talent. I am sure we will see fantastic projects in the future from you......continue this way.
@mattrider9230
@mattrider9230 4 жыл бұрын
you seem to like building beefy cages, now ya gotta go 4x4! i would love to see that cage on somthing like a subaru drive train or even a solid axle setup....throw a 4 banger turbo diesel in it and it will crush trails! im more than confident that you can pull it off, you got skilzz!
@hank5655
@hank5655 4 жыл бұрын
I want this kart to last you a long time but your CHAIN TENSIONER NEEDS TO GO UNDER THE THE LOWER CHAIN BECAUSE WHEN YOUR APPLYING POWER IT PUTTING WAY TO MUCH TENSION ON THE TIGHTENER YOU GOTTA PUT AFTER THE POWER HAS COME FROM THE MOTOR!! It's looking good can't wait
@deanodoc1257
@deanodoc1257 4 жыл бұрын
Use Delrin for your chain Tensioner and chain skids for the rear arms!
@matthewbailey299
@matthewbailey299 4 жыл бұрын
I go to Windrock with a group of vw powered rail buggys. We hit the hard trails up there.
@RhinoMotorsAbj
@RhinoMotorsAbj 4 жыл бұрын
Man you are amazing, but I sincerely think that the transmission and the rear train are toooooo much complicated!
@matfav9473
@matfav9473 4 жыл бұрын
Great as usual have you thought about a cheap skateboard wheel and bearing a chain tensioner? Even IF they don't last that long they are so cheap and easy to found that it wouldn't be a problem.
@Thor555555
@Thor555555 4 жыл бұрын
would be the best solution cause the hard plastik roller also will be kind of noisy. i use always very soft skateboardwheels cause at the time the chain grinded grooves in it, the chain runs over the tensioner with its rollers and don´t wear down the wheel very much any more so you maybe need 1-2 sparewheels in 5-10 years.
@joelgarside8925
@joelgarside8925 4 жыл бұрын
Always my favorite thing to do on Sunday
@jamessmith7455
@jamessmith7455 4 жыл бұрын
Great work, learn so much from you
@rustylindamood4898
@rustylindamood4898 3 жыл бұрын
Time for split sprokets. Bunch of mini buggies running them
@lennym1273
@lennym1273 4 жыл бұрын
You said you didn't care about going faster, but the sprockets you installed will make it go faster...
@puritan7473
@puritan7473 3 жыл бұрын
No, he said he didn't want to race it, but form the first test drive, he needs it to go faster!
@TimZ007
@TimZ007 4 жыл бұрын
She coming along. I like how you do things your way. A lot of people have their own ideas but the reason a lot of people watch is because your different than most do it. Its pretty cool that you still use you homemaid lathe. I just got a craftsman . 101 lathe a few months ago . Only used it like 30 minutes so far. Its to big to keep at my house and being at my dads now its to much trouble to go use LOL. its there if I really need it though. Im only 2 hours from you . W Salem. Thats pretty cool. my buddy in lewisville working on a manco fat cat right now I did some of the welding on. He found the frame. going with the 99$ special for that one. You need to look into getting a barndaminium built if you move. out. Its like a garage pole parn but with living quarters. Thats what I want. LOL.
@riderdie3143
@riderdie3143 4 жыл бұрын
Chain guides are cheap...but you are a talented dude and hopefully I’ll see ya at windrock or brimstone this summer...and if you ever sale that unit I want first dibs....yeahhh buddy
@myturkishlife1777
@myturkishlife1777 4 жыл бұрын
Great content as always, where the chain hits the swing arm, could you just cut that section out and weld in a "U" piece .. So the chain sits in the "U" Sorry another suggestion 😁
@EJ-74
@EJ-74 4 жыл бұрын
Man that thing is insanely cool Can't wait to see it rip 🔥👍✌️
@lancestephenson9375
@lancestephenson9375 4 жыл бұрын
It would be so cool for future if u made that 4x4 it would be alot of work but so awsome. The old polaris 4 wheelers have a chain driven front diff.
@spidertickles9710
@spidertickles9710 4 жыл бұрын
Holy drivetrain batman!😉👍
@Canadian_Craftsman
@Canadian_Craftsman 4 жыл бұрын
Delron!! Not "Teflon" lolol 😆 excellent video like always keep grinding!!(=✌💚
@JETHO321
@JETHO321 4 жыл бұрын
I cant tell from the video, but is your chain tensioner on the slack side like its supposed to be?
@WowenandWilma
@WowenandWilma 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know how I haven't been subbed earlier. Love your work.
@davidcriscolo4768
@davidcriscolo4768 4 жыл бұрын
I use skateboard wheels for my chain tensioners, could work for you! Great videos. Keep them coming!
@samsgarage1716
@samsgarage1716 4 жыл бұрын
You always do great work.
@arizonaguy7574
@arizonaguy7574 4 жыл бұрын
Gotta love those Amazon boxes
@alexgraves2737
@alexgraves2737 4 жыл бұрын
You were right calling it a swingarm
Second Test Drive on the CBR 1000 Off Road Buggy
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