CBT Stopped as too dangerous

A CBT student not listening to instruction and doing what they think is right. You can't hear very well but the instructor is asking the student to slow down for the mini roundabout, this gets more urgent and intense in the instructors voice as the student is not responding to the instruction. The CBT is ended immediately and the student spoken to.

[@sonicboss91]

Nothing worse then hearing the instructor yelling at you through the mic lol.

[@rorydixon2081]

I kept stalling at a junction and I could hear my instructor raging at me and told me off.. still passed haha

[@gatehanger1385]

@@rorydixon2081 Same here. Instructors say things like 'I've told you but you didn't listen!!' Yeah well I've seen someone explain how to play boogie woogie on the piano, but it doesn't sound as good when I try it. Being out on the road after a few hours riding round a car park, having sat on a motorcycle for the first time a day earlier, is hardly enough time to remember and implement clutch feathering, correct brake use etc. Skills take tons of time and practice to improve.

[@daddystu7046]

@@gatehanger1385 Having just passed mine these are very good points. A few hours round a car park then thrust into rush hour traffic was an eye opener! Nearly got smashed on a busy crossroads.

[@snowpz]

He should know the highway code of giving way to the right BUT the instructor should really have said STOP when he wasn't stopping lmao

[@kevinconroy3259]

​@gatehanger1385 better to learn gears on a cbt if you can. I had a WR125X for like 2 years before doing my cat A

[@onc.o.d.ebarber]

as a CBT instructor myself this has happened to me also as the students English was not the best on the radio and wasnt following the instructions. I have no option but to end the assessment in these cases as safety is the most important thing. it is our job to ensure the safety of ourselves, the learners and other road users.

[@danielkerr4100]

You use two way radios for your cbts? I thought most places use one way 🧐

[@onc.o.d.ebarber]

​@@danielkerr4100 one way. Sorry what I was meant to say is the student struggled wid understanding my instructions over the radio.

[@onc.o.d.ebarber]

@SilverWolvesScarletForestSnow I don't anymore when I 1st started 3 years ago I had to learn! Lol

[@Rattagun46]

Good instructor 👏

[@rubensano4860]

When I did my big bike test, one of the other kids doing the test on that day went the wrong way up a dual carriageway for some reason and failed instantly.

[@TheSocialDistant]

the fact you call it a "big bike test" proves you havent done shit. stfu

[@snowpz]

Ouch.

[@48billy0]

Passed my bike test in 1976. Hardly saw the examiner as I rode once around the block. He stepped out into the road for me to perform an emergency stop, but he had pre-warned me that he would. I'm still riding, but in all that time, I still haven't had any instructions whatsoever.

[@raymondo162]

same here. saw the two-part test coming in nineteen eighty something, BORROWED my mate's bike - did the same silly test you describe. never ever had any driving lessons of any sort.

[@rickconstant6106]

Similar experience in 1974, but I did 2 or 3 circuits in each direction.

[@sproutandkidneysoup2296]

It was the same for me in 1976. I was looking behind cars and hedges, etc, trying to spot where he was, but as it was raining he was probably inside reading a paper.

[@atakd]

Same round the block trip for me. I did my IAM bike test a couple of years later which was very different. Got told off, I think it was a joke, by the police examiner for not grounding the pegs on bends.

[@rjkism]

Lol well you all idiots I te took my test never take anything for granted I suggest you Re take yours bet you would fail a modern test I did on the theory and the mod 2 passed second time around no shame in that and I learnt a lot

[@John64125]

And he stops right on the roundabout to guarantee a fail!

[@whiskyeet]

You can neither pass nor fail a training, you just don't receive a cert if you can't ride.

[@wunsen95]

​@@whiskyeetso what you're saying is.. you can FAIL to receive your certificate

[@PrinceAndrewFucksKids]

​@wunsen95 are you an imbecile? Think what C.B.T stands for you 🤡

[@tgm9991]

​@@whiskyeetso you don't get a certificate if your not at the required standard? That sounds like failing a test.

[@gatehanger1385]

The point is being supervised by someone is extremely stressful, though I don't question the need for it. My instructor stopped talking during the road journey and I began to wonder if the radio connection was broken. Turns out he wanted to monitor my progress when left to my own devices.. But I didn't know that! At the end he told me I was safe but hadn't shown improvement and was too dependent on his instructions. . He issued the cert but I still felt crap... When a learner panics then of course everything is forgotten!

[@ginge5253]

I often say to students something along the lines of "OK right we're approaching so and so now it's going to be quite busy and there's going to be alot going on so I'm going to let you get on with it and I will only interject if I genuinely need too" that way the students know the radio is going to go quiet and don't panick when they don't hear me gas bagging at them but they know I'm there if they need it. It's not an easy job, and every student is different... also being good with the element C section definitely doesn't mean the road ride is going to go smoothly. I've had it where my heart rate didn't drop below 120bpm and I took them off the road and back to the shop within 15 mins... and I've others that were so on point that I've genuinely forgotten I was on a CBT! That's how big the gap is sometimes. Don't take it personally the instructor would have done what he did for a reason I assure you

[@mxbx307]

I can't ride bikes (wanting to learn) but I absolutely detest taking passengers in my car. My parents especially treat it like my first lesson at 17 (I'm 35) and they just nag, comment, complain, criticise. You just don't do that and even James May said the same thing. Then when I'm _their_ passenger guess what? All the same shit they accused me of doing. Hypocrites.

[@TheSometimeAfter]

That really isn't the point at all... I don't know how you got this 'point' from what the video displayed. I think you're just putting yourself in a similar but not identical situation and just making comment on that.

[@lizzyfcknwolf_13]

You can't panic when driving. So she was testing your hability to stay focus

[@benkelly2190]

Almost as stressful, as instructing.

[@TheWorldListens]

A CBT isn't a driving test so for those saying you passed you didn’t. You completed it 👍

[@danielbateman6518]

This is absolutely something I would've done on my CBT. But now, with a little more experience, I'm a safe motorcyclist, being cautious and better at assessing vehicle speed and right of way. If there's anyone who did a CBT course and is reading this, it's okay to be overwhelmed and make mistakes your first time, book in more time with the school, you'll get there! 👍

[@dannywhite132]

Had a guy on mine who clearly been working as a delivery driver without a cbt and now was going legal. The guy was full throttle all day long, weaving through traffic, almost never stopping for signals, deliberately going in the wrong lane then cutting across traffic. Worstpart was they passed him. They need to make the theory test part of the cbt requirements

[@RichO1701e]

CBT licence holders shouldn't be employed as delivery riders.

[@snowpz]

​​​@@RichO1701efully disagree with you. It's fine in most cases, until you can show statistics that they're a clear danger ill agree. As long as we have all the required insurance (which I assure you is expensive) we're fine. Why cant we do jobs on our bike, it's the same as riding around on a bicycle doing it. Only on a scooter if you're not safe you get points and your license gone. So bad logic on your part

[@dannywhite132]

@@RichO1701e not sure about that, since being a delivery driver is an easy to obtain job that almost anyone can earn a living from. If they made it so all cbt riders need a theory I think it would help lots since otherwise 90% of cbt riders litterally don't know the rules of the road

[@matthew3774]

@@RichO1701eNo sorry Rich, there’s not a problem with that. The problem is with traffic laws not being enforced properly particularly regarding delivery riders on scooters. There needs to be more road policing. They will get points that way same as anyone else and the bad drivers will be weeded out

[@matthew3774]

Grrr. Why did he think he could ride like that in an actual CBT? Do they actually think that is the correct way to ride a motorcycle?

[@gregfarley715]

I know a lad who was on his CBT he got told to go right at a roundabout and did a right turn onto it the wrong way. The only person I’ve ever known to fail

[@SpartasEdge]

Good decision; as that person was nowhere near ready.

[@fluffyfirehydrant]

we got separated from our instructor en route to the A2 mod 1 test. didn't know if he was ahead or behind us so we just finished the journey and took the test without him there. never seen someone so angry in my entire life, but we both ended up getting our A2 licenses first try lol

[@Addy29plus5]

That could of been a lot worse if the cars didn't slow down

[@markfox1545]

'Could of'? What DO you think that means?

[@roadkill8161]

@@markfox1545 imagine grammar nazi'ing a 7 year old comment lmao

[@Mr.M1STER]

We all make mistakes and especially when learning a new skill. I know this is old but hopefully the guy continued riding and at the end of the day, nobody was hurt.

[@pcplod2973]

Some mistakes can be deadly

[@DefaultMale_]

He'll be better off than the corrupt system we have now for motorbike licences.

[@Mr.M1STER]

@@DefaultMale_ What is "corrupt" about the system now?

[@DefaultMale_]

@@Mr.M1STER We got our new system from the EU. The test standard required that a speed of 50kph was reached. Because that translates to a whopping 31mph, there was a massive thing with MPs stating that, because it needed to reach 31mph, not 30, they couldn't legally do it on the roads. Rather than making an exception or changing the test to only require a 30mph max speed, they opted to make it a requirement that part of the test be conducted in closed off training centers, which was not always required. Conveniently, the friends of those who lobbied for this were happy to replace all the local businesses that had to shut down due to this knew requirement. Also, not to mention that by design, you are expected to pay twice for your CBT. A CBT lasts for 2 years, whilst you have to be 19 (so starting at the minimum age of 16, 3 years of riding) for your A2 license, which you need a CBT for. Means you have to pay an additional £100-£150 to retake the training. Bit ranty but thats basically it. And recommendations from organisations that are supposed to be advisors on this sort of things for how motorcycle licenses SHOULD work have all been ignored.

[@dannywhite132]

"No one was hurt" is always said before someone gets hurt.

[@andycapp3867]

A long standing friend, an ex police motorcycle instructor’s instructor volunteered with a local riding school and when assessing the instructors his main criticism was they followed too far behind the student. He maintained, if you’re closer, you can assess the picture in front much more clearly, take a more commanding position to prevent others from creating a dangerous situation and if necessary, should it be necessary, with a flip of the throttle in a matter of a second get in front/alongside and take remedial action. In that way, there is little need to use the radio other than for direction at the junction. He maintained it was pointless to actually teach whilst riding, best policy is to ride for a few minutes, stop, relay the journey thus far and correct if necessary and advise on points the student may have missed. Remember he was a police instructor’s instructor and teaching to a high standard, maybe too high for the CBT today as this was well over 30 years ago. Was this student taking the CBT test too early perhaps, should it have been halted earlier, how much of this drama was a direct result of negligence by the instructor in the assessment at the training ground and how much time had been put in, on the road prior to the test? It’s essential these students are professionally taught if only to keep everyone safe. How many riders have taken refresher courses since passing their first test? Food for thought perhaps?

[@fabianmckenna8197]

Despatch rider for 25 years when our company was taken over and new owners demanded that couriers old and new take refresher course. Two hour trip out, around and back through the city which I passed without issue. The couriers (young L-Plate kids) belonging to the new company had to take extra lessons. Never agreed with learners doing any type of delivery work but hey-ho!

[@RevZeusJoe]

Mobility scooter might be a better option pmsl

[@uchihasilver8362]

to be fair if the car driver had done the correct thing and gone AROUND the roundabout it wouldn't have been an issue its annoying as hell as a car driver myself that people cause issues by not doing the simplest of things just because they might lose 1 second of time -_-

[@richiec9077]

I was taught to drive across them if they're painted on when I done my lessons and passed my test in 2005

[@richiec9077]

@waltersobchak1719 mate they chop and change the standards and expectations of the driving test so much that it causes mass confusion leading to all sorts of problems on the road no wonder every one drives differently and then likes to argue the point like you! I can assure you that was the expected standard at the time of test , how did I manage to pass with an authorised examiner then ? Come on mate use your common sense

[@Son-Of-Gillean]

​@@richiec9077 I passed my test about that time. Whoever taught you that is a clown. It is wrong now and it was wrong then.

[@richiec9077]

@@Son-Of-Gillean so the examiner was a clown too? It's possible that in Scotland we done things differently. Either way that was the standard required at the time dickhead!

[@richiec9077]

@@Son-Of-Gillean your attitude is wrong mate just accept what I'm telling you is possibly the truth and that lots of road users in the UK drive differently to each other because of the change of standards and expectations,if you continue with your "I'm right" attitude you will eventually run into trouble 😂

[@CrazyPanda688]

Worse happened on mine and we still carried on 😂😂😂😂, guy I was with dropped his bike in the middle of the road lmao The only reason this is so dangerous is because most uk drivers drive with an ego. Instead of driving to avoid accidents they drive like everyone else is going to avoid them. The white cars road positioning was shocking for a roundabout. It’s a ROUND a bout not a drive over about

[@StoffelDilligas]

When I was instructing, if anyone came in to book a CBT, my boss would ask them a few simple questions. If they didn't have a grasp of the English language a CBT course would be refused. If they were not safe in the training ground before the road session, they would not be allowed out on the road. If they were safe, we would spend at least 45min around the industrial estate before going on to main roads for the remainder of the two hours road assessment. A few times, I had incidents like this, people get flustered and make mistakes, they're novices. It's bound to happen. The worst one, was the bloke who fell asleep on the road assessment!! He was riding his Yamaha SR 125, and had just gone past Merton bus depot and veered into oncoming traffic. He managed to straighten up and not hit anything including the kerb. When stopped I asked what happened, and he stated that he'd just done the Nightshift and had fallen asleep. Obviously he didn't get his certificate, but what I got was a load of verbal from him. I ended up going back to the office to fill out certificate for the other pupil. He was there giving my boss grief because of his screw up. Fortunately my boss was not the type of lady who took crap from people

[@storegga]

My CBT got stopped within 5mins as I "took a corner like Rossi" . I was 17 but ridden bikes young. As good as my bike handling was, my road sense was good but etiquette was rubbish/unsafe.

[@martinliu5480]

I had my examiner shouting down the mic for not listening, and because it's a one-way com, I couldn't say anything to him. Went back to the test centre and I still passed :)

[@o00scorpion00o]

We call it IBT here in Ireland, I remember the first time out on the road........scary but lucky nothing happened. Going around a car park with cones is all well and good but it really isn't good enough to prepare for the road with real traffic and proper speeds. What's worst is that someone can do IBT/CBT over 3 days, last maybe 1 -2 hrs is actually on the road and here if you have your A learner permit you can then go buy a ridiculously powerful bike with no real experience ? mad system. Anyway, I'm going for A2, a lot of people are telling me to go with A but in reality A2 35Kw max is more than powerful for me, Currently on a T-Max 500 and it's more than fast and powerful enough for me, quite a lot of fun actually but thinking I might get a manual bike to pass the test then maybe get A licence through progressive access 2 years after I pass the test. 50 Kw for A test is a lot of power and most bikes compatible are sport bikes and even crazier is that cruisers even 750 cc won't be powerful enough, the whole system is nuts, in my opinion there should only be A1 and A license, bikes like the NC750 are not compatible with A or A2 test it's a joke !

[@leolxon]

I would have slowed down way earlier than he did. Tbh I made a load of mistakes and even dropped the bike like 3 times on my CBT and was a nervous wreck when I first went in the road. Still passed because I was pretty much fine once I calmed down 😂😂

[@tracer1127]

The guys I learnt with were like bloody hells angels. Boy did the F word get some usage. As I was approaching 50 years of age it went in one ear and out of the other but some of the younger riders were almost in tears. I was glad I had owned some motorcross bikes and understood the concept of looking ahead and where you want to go. One poor lad dropped a bike at a junction but other than a bollocking we were all aloud to continue with the CBT.

[@mygi43543]

My balls did the young fellas have tears. Your not hard skinned because your old

[@Drones_and_more]

Still confused why neither student or instructor were using their indicators.

[@darrenbenstead7711]

There is a turning on the left just before roundabout means you have to signal late, if you look again the student is indicating. Instructor was concentrating more on the student not getting run over and I think they can be forgiven for not indicating.

[@leboinator7621]

It's mad, nowadays my mate crashed and still passed. The standards are low

[@arrowtlg2646]

I crashed due to a wasp entering my helmet and hitting my eye. I most certainly did not pass. The standards are extremely high, just go to a reputable school

[@leboinator7621]

@@arrowtlg2646 Bro, the CBT standards are NOT high. Ask damn near anyone. It's 1 day and basically impossible to fail and whoopdidoo you can ride a motorbike.

[@Ishowspeedliveclipz]

@@leboinator7621just failed mine so the standards are pretty high

[@leboinator7621]

@@Ishowspeedliveclipz how? hahaha did you punch the instructor in the face?

[@paradisebreeze1705]

You can't fail as its not a test

[@ArcadeCabNBud]

that was blimen dangerous, glad you terminated his cbt

[@JustJonnoo]

That van at the end was rather close....😩

[@des9772]

He picked a terrible place to pull up as well !

[@Dr.Bong_]

Instructor: “Water ship down, glow blah sip town, BLOW YA DIP DOWN, FLOW AND SIT DOWN. GAH 😫”

[@donlogan428]

Love how the second trainee behind throws arms up at the cars like they've done something wrong.

[@rodmorrison47]

Looks more like he's apologising to them.

[@TheWelshbiker]

This mistake can happen because there is no theory knowledge needed before you do yhe cbt. You turn 16 you get on your bike and 1 hour training to pass your CBT or not enough training i think. after that you're on your own. Or at least thats how it was like when i done my cbt 16 years ago, not sure if things have changed now.

[@qkqkmwwien4639]

Happened to someone when I was doing my cbt. He drove 40 mins to get there, gutted

[@invernessdrivers]

they are called roundabouts because you drive ROUND them not OVER them, white car was making their own path there

[@DefaultMale_]

Yeah, but the learner needs to account for the two vehicles trailing behind them. They shouldn't be split up

[@JD-wn3cc]

Good quality camera footage for 9 years ago. This must have been one of the best and more expensive on the market at that time. Nerves must have gotten to the student to do that

[@captainkenzie6873]

That's the standard mobile phone camera quality for 2015 or at least my mobile back then looked like that.

[@RichardS-qh8mi]

Passed my test over 35 years ago now - that was scary, not perhaps the best place to stop though on the exit to a roundabout.

[@user-tn3ns1dh8j]

Nice to see the car driver using the roundabout correctly NOT

[@PrinceAndrewFucksKids]

You give way to the right you 🤡

[@fabianmckenna8197]

Probably trying to keep as far away from the CBT crowd as possible to avoid crashing into them.

[@friktionrc]

This video goes some (not all) way to explaining the very poor driving and riding behaviour we have on UK roads. I’m sure many either drive on an international license without ever bothering to take lessons, or those that do, use dodgy schools where they give 5 lessons and you pay the school a certain amount and someone else takes the test. First thing I hear when I meet non UK folks and they know I love cars/driving and looking to learn to ride is “can I use my international license to drive?” I’m always like “ well to drive, maybe but it’s worth actually learning to drive here as the rules are different, and you need insurance as here the person is insure not the car (which is the case in some other countries)”. You can literally see the invisible screen come down behind their eyes like ‘yeah I’m not interested in all the rest of it, I just want to drive’ Meanwhile my insurance keeps going up and now it’s getting harder to learn to drive/ride for the honest decent folks who follow the rules…..I’ll get of my soap box now 😂😂😂😂

[@bibblebob]

Don’t worry, he’ll be out delivering for Uber Eats and dinging cars in no time!

[@aluisious]

"Student entered roundabout too dangerously." Parks on the side of a very narrow road like an idiot.

[@cornishalps9870]

Do you see any double yellows? Please retake your driving theory (if you even have a driving license)

[@SuperNintendoMii]

It's not legal for the 2nd rider as he stops clearly on a syl. And they are operational during the day, so no, it's not a good place to stop. Even if there wasn't a line, it's too close to the roundabou, not to mention what's right next to them

[@snowpz]

​@@SuperNintendoMiiit was the learner that stopped on the yellow line

[@tgm9991]

​@waltersobchak1719 where the instructor was yeah. But not where the learners stopped you shouldn't stop right on the exit of a junction like that

[@paultetlow5367]

People today think that they can jump on a bike and do a class ride without any instructions. They don't listen to their parents, so why listen to anyone else. They believe that it's their right to do what they want.

[@ScottHawkett]

When I passed my test me and other lad who passed had to help escort 2 guys who had failed as instructor said they were so dangerous they were delivery drivers aswell.

[@snowpz]

@@ScottHawkettlol what do you mean escort them? Not surprised they're delivery drivers. I did my cbt to become a delivery rider, but I passed and did okay. I guess they were retaking theirs and picked up laods of bad habits lol. I had previous driving experience in a car tho

[@superfastmonkeysim5200]

If in doubt, keep it flat out” 😉

[@wiadroman]

Yup, that student gets it :-)

[@mcdon2401]

When I sat my direct access course decades ago, there was a fella on the first day having real issues with basic bike controls. And that was just in the off-road practice area on a 125. He took huge offense when the instructors point blank refused to allow him out on the road to complete the CBT because he was so lacking in basic skills. They recommended he come back the next day to do more basic skills training before carrying on with the course. He departed in a huff, muttering about them being money grabbers wanting to screw him over, how he'd take his business somewhere else, and how NOBODY fails a CBT...

[@SlickMotoMike]

This is why they need to change the licencing laws especially for cbt

[@Scrimblescromble]

The hand wave 😭

[@anracc5302]

It sucks when that happens but everyone has different limits and- oh right yeah, bikes

[@Rattagun46]

Some people do not have apathy for riding a motorbike, it's not a game, you vulnerable , and easily Injured, safety while learning is paramount. A good rider has the right attitude, this is installed at CBT and test level. If you don't get it. Its not for you.

[@stewartlancaster6155]

you need to look up what the word APATHY means !

[@Rattagun46]

@@stewartlancaster6155 lack of interest , unconcerned , I know what it means, it means what I said it as. When you want to learn to ride you take it seriously. As I said it's not a game.

[@bennon1221]

This isn't the kind of CBT I was looking for

[@emmajacobs5575]

Did you expect the other kind, or the *other* other kind?

[@bennon1221]

@@emmajacobs5575 The good kind

[@benperkins2929]

@@bennon1221 yeeeessss

[@caitthenerd7470]

Ahh you were looking for therapy right? Right?

[@Th3_Gael]

Old video I know, but given the standard amount of 'training' people are given prior to hitting the road it's a wonder there aren't more cancellations and 'mishaps' Bike training country wide needs reviewing, it's currently an easy paycheck for the useless in most cases

[@grantcumming5680]

Likewise, passed my test in 1980, round round the block, examiner told me he would step out for emergency stop ! That was it !!! And I had to switch to my fuel reserve tank on my test😅 like the other comment no further training since

[@fabianmckenna8197]

Wow........ 1970 it was ride around the block, emergency stop, hill start, highway code so it obviously went downhill from there.

[@mtabby1]

Done my first cbt with you guys great instructors down in rochford 👍

[@PDCRed]

That’s perhaps one way of getting your knee down…. With the car on top of you.

[@rotay4900]

Highway code section 188 states all vehicles except large/hgv should pass around the markings if the roundabout. The white vehicle clearly went over the roundabout markings.😮

[@DontuseGoogleorWiki]

big deal - first world problems...

[@rotay4900]

@@DontuseGoogleorWiki meaning?

[@shardlake]

I feel giving way to vehicles approaching from the right may override that one...

[@rotay4900]

I'm just stating what the highway code says. The white car cut the roundabout but fortunately stopped. The motor cyclist seems to not know where they were going but was still probably an inexperienced learner.

[@DontuseGoogleorWiki]

@@rotay4900 meaning: does it REALLY matter? The guy who invented painted roundabouts always intended them to be nothing more than a visual reference and, of course to enable r'bouts to be used at smaller junctions. Plus, the HWC is saying should - not must.

[@garavonhoiwkenzoiber]

what was the problem? both vehicles entered the roundabout at the same time, if both keep the same speed it should be fine, it's not his fault the white car said "what's a roundabout?" if anything, telling him to enter a roundabout really slowly is what caused the issue.

[@darrenbenstead7711]

In england you have to give way to the right on a roundabout, this also means that if something is approaching from your right and you do not have time to pull out then you wait and give way.

[@garavonhoiwkenzoiber]

@@darrenbenstead7711 ah! I see, thanks :)

[@fabianmckenna8197]

​@@garavonhoiwkenzoiberAgreed ........ Also the problem that they decided to then park up at the worst possible part of the road.

[@Vadi88]

In my opinion the car driver is at fault at least as the rider. They were at the yield mark at the same time. But the car driver just accelerated and went straight, not around. So how could you blame somebody to not yield for you if you deliberately accelerates into them?

[@darrenbenstead7711]

Well in the uk at a roundabout mini or large, you give way to the right, easy as that. If your giving way to the right and a vehicle is approaching but not at the give way line yet and you pull out and cause an accident you will be at fault as there was not the room/time for you to pull out safely. I get what you are saying about the car going over the painted middle and not around it, but it is still your responsibility to make sure you have enough time to pull out if you giving way to the right and something is approaching.

[@Shelleloch]

Adding onto this from a purely safety perspective, no matter who is at fault, in an accident the biker is going to be worse off. Riding kinda has to be done defensively and if the inexperienced rider puts themselves in a risky situation, a little 125cc isn't going to be enough to get them out of it.

[@fabianmckenna8197]

Car was first so bike should give way. Also consider if it had been a long vehicle going straight over the mini roundabout, then biker is dead.

[@bryantotten7315]

all that is needed is common sense.clearly that was not being used here

[@neuclearb0mb]

When I did mine, instructor let me lead passed really quickly pretty much then the other guy I was with started leading….. Jesus 2 hours later he said ah fuck it let’s head back he was gunna pass him anyway he was god awful. They have a tiny roundabout to the entrance of thier exam thing, not on main road fully out the way all dead ends just a random mini round about, he just cut straight across yeah instructor went divvy and said nahh I can’t pass him loool felt so bad

[@PuRpLeIzLeGiTx]

Random recommendations, but knew it was rochford 😅

[@tonyX__]

Same lol thought I recognised it I’m from Rochford

[@gary63693]

Crotchford

[@Plumstix]

Same here

[@Fugnuk2047]

Good 'ol Rochford

[@johnklockyer]

The second rider obviously messed up due to the first. Still a fail.

[@mjr2567]

The way I see it is the second rider's the instructor.

[@johnklockyer]

@@mjr2567 I think your right. I thought the instructor would be filming. I'm trying to read what's on the second riders hi viz.

[@mjr2567]

@johnklockyer it's mainly that he has no L plate and also he gets off the bike like he's going to tell the rider off lol. I can't read his high vis.

[@johnklockyer]

@@mjr2567 after re watching I agree. I find it hard to believe he would risk himself fur doing such a think, perhaps he needs to retake his test 😂👍

[@michaelggriffiths]

Perfect for Deliveroo

[@halfbakedproductions7887]

Take it the front rider couldn't already drive a car? Because if he could he'd have known the rounadbout rules much better. I'm nearly 37 and want to give motorbikes a try. No taster sessions in my area though and I'd rather do that than commit to a full day CBT.

[@WolfyFam]

Hopefully he isn’t shook from this

[@darrenbenstead7711]

Even though his CBT was stopped that day, he went on to have additional instruction in an off road environment and then went back onto the road and passed :)

[@WolfyFam]

@@darrenbenstead7711 yes, nice one! I also messed up on my first time through CBT, and even did a vid on it and the instructor said coke back and I was glad I did as passed 👏😊

[@guildfordian89]

I've seen many scooter riders with their CBT doing far worse. IMO if you're doing work on a scooter ie. Deliveroo etc, then it should be a requirement to have a full licence.

[@AlphaEngineer2022]

I’ve passed 2 cbt’s in the Uk, I then went on to do my full motorcycle licence at 25. Before all of that I use to live in France as a kid, at 14 I done my bsr which is the French equivalent of a cbt, during it the kid in front of me crashed into the back of a car, I then proceeded to crash into the back of his moped😂 And we all still passed, absolutely nuts lol

[@fabianmckenna8197]

WHAAAAATTTTT....... In 1965 as a fourteen year old in France I used my grandad's Mobylette and my thirteen year old brother made do with granny's Velosolex.

[@johnklockyer]

I would like to know how most of the deliver roo and pizza riders in Canterbury past their cbt… most look like foreign students. Using a bike for work should require a full licence. Even the delivery cyclists do not bother with lights.

[@markevans3488]

I believe a lot of them “share” licences etc

[@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr0]

Imagine failing a cbt

[@tonyX__]

Especially in Rochford

[@joski9030]

You can’t it’s not a test it’s training

[@rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr0]

@@joski9030 You can actually "fail" a CBT, it'll be not getting the certificate at the end of the day and having to pay for another CBT. You have to pass to get the certificate

[@gregsmith7821]

Yup, 'failure' is an option. It is 'training' but, you have meet the required standards.

[@danielkerr4100]

​@@joski9030 if you pass you get a certificate at the end of you don't you don't get a certificate, so he failed 😂 and didn't pass

[@patmccaffery1543]

Probably a bit nervous..!!

[@knightlautrec4311]

What was the 2nd rider doing lol, did he flip the car off??

[@darrenbenstead7711]

No he done a hand up sorry/thank you gesture. He was main instructor and would have never flip a driver off

[@rubensano4860]

He was doing the international 'Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough' hand gesture.

[@knightlautrec4311]

@@darrenbenstead7711 Ah OK I thought it was another learner giving the cars a bit of attitude haha

[@fabianmckenna8197]

​@@darrenbenstead7711Wow, seriously the main instructor........... He decided to park up behind our L-Plate nonce in an absolutely awful part of the road!

[@enoz.j3506]

Some people shouldnt have motorbikes, if you dont have BASIC common sense , stay on foot.

[@MetalMatt2510]

Rochford I recognised that road 😆

[@fontana6394]

Isn’t it a training course ? I thought you couldn’t really fail

[@darrenbenstead7711]

Well his CBT was ended there for that day and was not issued his certificate. He had to attend extra training and then went on to be presented with his CBT at his next on road assessment. It is training but if your a danger to yourself on the road would it be right be given your CBT certificate that day?

[@mxbx307]

Not only is this oh so dangerous, it's also a total breach of the Highway Code. You'd get a car driving test terminated as a Dangerous for the exact same thing. There's three schools near me and very recently I saw two L-plate mopeds parked up and a regullar bike parked behind. One guy was waiting sat on his moped wearing his rider school liveried hi-viz (which is how I knew it was a CBT run and you see them a lot around here, all 3 schools operating 6 days a week) but I couldn't see the other L-rider or the instructor anywhere. But what I did notice was a parked van further up that appeared to have small plastic parts of it lying in the road like it had been hit. It was further up so I doubt the CBT had anything to do with but I did wonder. It's a busy road so really could have happened anytime.

[@Malc2169]

At least he didn’t drop the inside leg when he made the turn… 😆 what the hell is it with (in the UK at least) kids these days that they always drop the inside leg when cornering? Personally, I blame Yellow 46! ☺

[@345seadog]

Agree or disagree. But as far as I'm concerned, bike tests these days are just a money-making scam. When I was younger, you took your test on the road with one guy standing and watching you. and it must have taken half an hour. All this crap now is just to con people out of a lot of money, and I don't like being conned. I haven't passed my test, but I was riding a 250-cc for years and never had any accidents. It may be important if you intend to ride a high-powered bike but not a 250-cc There is nothing they could teach me that would make me ride any better. I'm sure it would be easier and less hassle to get your pilots license. I only wish I had taken my test before they brought all this bullsh*t in.

[@cappuccinokid6772]

Doh.

[@atit4096]

Didn't know you could fail a cbt 😂

[@joski9030]

I’ve done it twice you can’t fail it’s “compulsory bike training” it’s not a test a women front braked it on one of mine at a junction on a moped in front of a bus. Still passed.

[@darrenbenstead7711]

You can fail it. If your not upto the standard required to obtain your CBT certificate the instructor will not issue it. So that means you have to take it again

[@DefaultMale_]

Thats not even what CBT stands for.

[@RYNOCIRATOR_V5]

this is a spectacularly bad acronym

[@Derek_Garnham]

I'm guessing you're not here looking for bike training vids then? :)

[@RYNOCIRATOR_V5]

@@Derek_Garnham It was recommended and I wondered what the spectacularly bad acronym was actually referring to 8D

[@Derek_Garnham]

@@RYNOCIRATOR_V5 I thought it Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, Honest ;)

[@walkaz]

Doesn’t help that other motorists have zero idea how roundabouts work

[@Teapot-Dave]

If the trainee has such little road-sense and cannot even obey the instructor's directions, then perhaps they should surrender their licence and just stick to public transport and walking.

[@cybercat1531]

Stick to your teapot Dave. What that fack man.

[@Bongo2k]

no wonder its too dangerous, why you'd do cognitive behavioural therapy on a motorbike i have no idea...

[@KentRoads]

why the instructor follow them l0l

[@DefaultMale_]

trying to stick with his student most likely

[@rubensano4860]

So you can see what they are doing.

[@000miami8]

Is this in Wales?

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

0:12 there's a 01702 phone number on the left building. A quick look shows that's the code for Southend, which is in southern England.

[@000miami8]

@Google_Does_Evil_Now Wow, that is really good attention to details, thanks!

[@Plumstix]

Rochford, Essex

[@corynewton-adams8994]

My cbt instructor was honestly shit so i feel you on this mate

[@I_Mark_Mills]

Eh? Nothing wrong with the instructor in this clip. Rider needs to read the highway code. You give way to the right

[@dannywhite132]

What are you on about? The instructor can't stop them from doing this. Yoi can hear him yelling down the mic to stop

[@Mt24855]

Cbt is just another way of robbing you £200 in northern Ireland when i was 16 you didnt even need one and the bikes had twice the power of this stupid 15hp limit

[@BigButtocks967]

The clip you just watched is literally proof that training IS needed, however I disagree that it needs to be repeated every year afterwards (2years the 1st time).

[@dannywhite132]

And bike related deaths were nearly 3 times higher than they are now.

[@Mt24855]

@@dannywhite132 been riding from the age of 5 and haven't came of yet people shouldn't be penalised for others stupidity and even if you do the test doesn't make you any better a rider just means you've a bigger wallet. My brother for example passed the full test and wrote the bike of in first month

[@dannywhite132]

@@Mt24855 anecdotal evidence is just evidence of an anecdote. The stats show introducing the test saves lives and makes people better rider. Statistically you're probably a shit rider or on a slow bike and so have gotten away with it.

[@Mt24855]

@@dannywhite132 lol you speak like a right lunatic I'm sure you have a ton a friends you seem like fun 👍

[@apox5308]

I did a wheelie on my CBT and still passed 😂

[@BigButtocks967]

Sure you did 😏🥱

[@danielkerr4100]

Sure 🤔

[@DefaultMale_]

When did you do it :p

[@DefaultMale_]

@@danielkerr4100 It's believable. Depends if he did it within the last decade or not

[@DefaultMale_]

@@danielkerr4100 My dad rode over 100 on his US motorbike licence, he lives in the UK but lived there for a time. That's sorta different though, because the instructor was friends with my grandad, who has airforce history

[@learn2rideVIDEOS]

What reason did the trainee give? :-)

[@darrenbenstead7711]

They was just not listening to instructions and then panicked at the last moment and forgot everything they had been taught pre road.

[@m111kca4]

I passed mine recently, other guy was leaving indicators on and not doing the life saver at all but she was OK with him. When we was coming to a t junction she was mad and told me I wouldn't get it if I didn't check my mirrors before hitting my indicators and not at the same time. She said it was just incase it was safe to do so or I might have to abort. I could only think I would abort and just pull out anyway because it's obviously not safe to slow down 😂 what a idiot

[@GooseWaffe]

Southend drivers are shite tho

[@Maldini009]

lmao brudda doesnt know how a roundabout works looooooooool

[@darrenbenstead7711]

We all have to start somewhere and at least he learnt from this and went on to pass his CBT the following weekend

[@gary63693]

@@darrenbenstead7711 You never charged him again did you? You offer a free retest?

[@darrenbenstead7711]

@@gary63693 no extra charge, just a bit more tuition and he passed the following test

[@gary63693]

@@darrenbenstead7711 That's a nice thing to do

[@davidtyrell246]

The white car should not have driven over the round about, its road position was awful.

[@johnsilverchain92]

fk cbt i ride 1000cc ducati with no licence

[@sickopierce]

No license means no insurance... hope you don't hit someone elses car, you'll ruin their year mate, imagine if it's a single mum of three with barely enough to feed her kids. Bound to get caught eventually though. You need to be lucky every time, the police only need to be lucky once.

[@TheSimonBeattie]

@@sickopierce If he can't afford a license he won't be affording insurance anyway, sounds like he'll end up as a skidmark on some road somewhere - as you said, hopefully he doesn't take anyone else out on his way down. Or perhaps he simply doesn't have the skills to get the licence, might even be one of the guys in this video

[@aequalitas806]

You still alive mate? That's a bloody stupid thing to do.

[@DefaultMale_]

@@TheSimonBeattie doubt he can afford a 1000cc ducati

[@DefaultMale_]

@@aequalitas806 Lmao yeah. I understand cheekily unrestricting your bike whilst your on the CBT, but thats stupid

[@Ruffbiker68]

What is a CBT i have been riding for 40 years and never heard of it

[@danielkerr4100]

It came out in 1990, if you pass the one day training you can ride a 125cc on L plates for two years until you renew your CBT or go for full license, but even if you're going for full license you still have to do CBT if you don't have a valid one.

[@Ruffbiker68]

@@danielkerr4100 so Dan I have to do a CBT even though I have a class A full motorcycle test which I passed in 1986

[@DefaultMale_]

@@Ruffbiker68 No it only applies to people who have not yet had their license.

[@DefaultMale_]

@@Ruffbiker68 License laws are really weird. For example, bus licenses have like 5 different tiers. You have to be at least 25 to carry passengers, but if you are in the military you only need to be 17 (which does make sense as an exemption)

[@Ruffbiker68]

@@DefaultMale_ I'm still confused my 81 year old dad is still riding my bike and obviously me and we haven't taken a CBT dad passed his motorbike test in 1959 and me in 1986 we just thought our licences were legal

[@Youtubesuxdonkeys]

Is that Rochford essex

[@DefaultMale_]

RIP this, back when motorbike tests made sense, rather than the really corrupt system that takes place now, that killed local businesses and helped MP's mates set up expensive test centers to do CBT training.