ProArt PX13 - Impressions and Comparison to ROG FLOW X13

[@jetski423]

Great comparison! Crazy that the 2023 X13 is still the king for 2-1 gaming/productivity!

[@bluein2red423]

It isn’t though?

[@Ethan-qc9po]

what is?

[@subroutine8492]

@@Ethan-qc9po t14s amd with 780M

[@Ethan-qc9po]

@@subroutine8492 That's a 2-1 with pen support? Looking for a laptop for school so trying to find options.

[@tride.design]

Great comparison, I got x13 last year and I'm still very happy with it although I'm using it for design work, not gaming.

[@BYLEE1]

Same I'm saving for one right now for creativity like illustrating

[@tride.design]

I'm glad that I bought x13 after watching your video, I only wish I got version with 4070 with 32gb but it wasn't available in my region. I'll get 4090 XG mobile for it later this year and it should be enough for most of my design and 3d work. I still prefer 165hz over oled, fingerprint resistant design, XG mobile port and smaller power brick that came with x13. Thanks again for detailed comparison

[@LightStainYT]

Finally! This is what I was looking for 😅 Thank you! 🙏

[@CockroachMunchingKrabbyPatty]

I'm deciding between these two, and the ProArt ticks almost every box over the Flow except for one- no MUX switch is honestly a deal breaker. I'm mostly going to be using the device for note taking and productivity, with gaming as a secondary feature, so I'd really prefer to have the graphics option be less power hungry when it's less than necessary. Personally, I feel like my perfect 2-in-1 notebook in this format would be something like if Lenovo took their Legion 5 Slim (14") and used the chassis from the Thinkpad X1 2-in-1 (formerly Yoga) series and implemented some of the cooling from the Legion series. But Lenovo seems to rarely take chances on their gaming lines anymore and just opt to release the same thing for years now. Really good video though, I think I'm still going to lean towards the ProArt, but the X13 is ever tempting.

[@yeshwantkethineni3694]

Hi! I'm watching this video on 1.5x speed. I'll put my thoughts here. I also bought one solely to test the APU / and because it's the X13 successor, the 4050 version though. I think my main problems with the X13 were the lack of HDR and no 4080/more VRAM (at that price). The new panel doesn't seem to do VRR/freesync on the iGPU (at least) though, as you mentioned, so still not that happy on that front either. And the OLED somewhat reduces the battery (not as bad as other laptops). Seems like it can sustain ~90W combined (but perhaps only 60W CPU, which is fine. speaking of, the whisper mode on this laptop is 60W CPU and the 16" they sent reviewers have whisper modes of

[@StashiaMass]

Always enjoy your X13 reviews. Still got the original! Bit disappointed with that PX13 screen, did not look as good in comparison?

[@netflyer421]

Hello, Cameron! So, in your opinion after testing and using all of these thin and light laptops and two in ones perhaps you could do a video to rank them. Like give them a weighted point system. - Gaming x points. - Office use x points - Development x points - Creative use including pen support x points - Battery x points - Compatibility x points (because of the snapdragons) - Weight x points - Versatility x points. etc (these are just a few examples/suggestions) It would be really interesting if you could make a video comparing all of them. Personally, I'm interested in the Surfaces of this year Business (Intel Core Ultra) and Snapdragon models and the Minisform. I know that you have already compared them, but it would be really cool if you could do like a showdown of all of them against one another, specifically, because your tests have been mostly two machines one vs the other. Besides there has been a few driver updates in the meantime, I can imagine. Thanks Cameron! I always like to come checkout your channel. Always interesting! Keep well

[@kkmurda]

Good review and informative as always. Thank you

[@sparkz6381]

The audio favors the left ear on a headset. Feels uncomfortable

[@Michplay]

I don’t know about the rest of the world, but Asus store Netherland straight up lie about the screen on this model. It says on their site that this has a 120hz screen. But it doesn’t (Pro art PX13)

[@PlatinAviation]

Same here in Germany 🤔

[@hungvominh2490]

great video! I'm using the X13, the 165hz screen is buttery smooth and work well with pen input (I'm a digital artist btw). Would not trade that for a 60hz screen even if its OLED. And I dont understand why ASUS would give 60hz screen to a covertible laptop made for artist who most likely gonna use a stylus, the latency gonna drive me nuts personally.

[@Ethan-qc9po]

I agree that having a 60hz display on a laptop this experience is ridiculous, but is anything more than 60hz needed for professional illustration work? I used to use a cintiq for my work, and they're all 60hz(unless you go up the ladder). Is 120hz a big difference when it comes to illustrating? I also play games on a 480hz monitor, and the switch to 60hz isn't a massive deal to me. But people paint it as the end of the world. Its between this laptop and last years x13 for me, but deciding to get is very hard when everyone's needs are very different.

[@abxrynx]

@@Ethan-qc9po what did you decide to go with in the end? im also having a hard time deciding

[@Ethan-qc9po]

@@abxrynx ​ I did end up getting the px13 with the 4060 recently, and it's still within the return policy, so if I wanna switch to a g14 I can (I know this was between the px13, and the x13, but here in canada, I can’t get an x13 for a reasonable price). But the laptop is honestly pretty great. My main gripe about the laptop being 60hz is still an issue though. It is definitely noticeable versus a higher refresh screen, but if you are using the laptop for simple tasks, and illustration, it's adequate. I bought this laptop for work, as a dedicated device that I could use to render in photoshop on the go, and it gets the job done. If you plan to buy this laptop as a primary device for professional illustration, I do not recommend it. I'm pretty sure that this isn't just an issue on this laptop alone, but an mpp problem, but the lines can get kinda squiggly if you are drawing slow. Which to me, makes it unusable for line art. Luckily, I just use this laptop to render, and an ipad for line art, so not an issue for me. It's nothing some stabilization in program can fix, but not ideal. I've found myself loving the form factor of this thing over anything else since this is my first time with a 2-1 laptop. Battery life is okay, not amazing, but able to get through a whole day most of the time. I probably will end up keeping this laptop, but for how much I paid for it here in Canada, I do have to consider if it’s worth it. TL:DR Px13 is great if all you are doing is work that doesn’t require precise pen input. Mpp pen and 60hz is keeping this thing from being the best laptop this year. 60hz isn’t a huge deal, but at 3300 CAD after tax for a 4060 model. It’s ridiculous. If you don’t need this formfactor, just buy a g14 with a wacom movink.

[@abxrynx]

@@Ethan-qc9po Ahhhh okay, thanks. I'm enrolling into engineering this fall and I was looking for something that I was able to write on like a tablet, but have the power to compute and perform in CAD software. I find that the PX13 is too overkill and too expensive, I think I'll just order a Flow X13. Thanks for the insight, I live in Canada too and man, these prices are crazy

[@Ethan-qc9po]

@@abxrynx Ya it's crazy that the px13 is like 300$ more here in Canada vs USA. Whichever laptop you go with, I think you'll be happy with it, most CAD programs are fine with a low/mid end gpu. Let me know where you end up getting the x13. I've checked bestbuy here in Toronto and was told online only, with a 4050 for about 2k or so. Was hoping for a 4060, but maybe it's worth the 1k on saving. Also was concerned about the x13 build quality, saw some stuff about it on the Reddit, but maybe it's a nonfactor.

[@Tommy_The_Gun]

Fun fact: 1st gen Flow X13 with entry-level spec (16Gb/512gb/GTX1650/LCD) was literately half of the price of ProArt PX13. Granted, it had lower specs, but on the other hand GTX 1650 back then was what RTX 4050 or 4060 (depending on wattage) is nowadays. I guess ASUS realized that no one else was making 2in1 with dedicated gpu, so they priced it ridiculously high. Also PX13 lacks eGPU plug which Flow 13 has. The spec really do not make much sense either. Why there is no 4050 variant ? 4K screen and yet even 4070 has only 8GB of V-ram. And the screen is 60hz. To me it is way more expensive and actually inferior product to Flow X13. Also, I would really want to see a comparison to other 14 inch thin & light laptops (as those are most similar and aren't this much bigger - like Areo 14 Oled for example). Is it worth overpaying this much ? ? ?

[@MultiMojo]

Great comparison! Does the 4060 turn off completely after switching to Eco mode in Ghelper ? I'm guessing not since there is no mux switch.

[@yeshwantkethineni3694]

It does, and there is an iGPU performance hit if you don't (at least, I think so based on my testing). The mux switch is if you want dGPU only?

[@MultiMojo]

@@yeshwantkethineni3694 Thanks for the info! What's the battery life using the iGPU alone for normal productivity tasks? I have the G16 2024 and it usually consumes ~17-20W with iGpu only.

[@MultiMojo]

I managed to find a P16 to test with, looks like the iGPU only power draw is close to 30W ! No wonder battery life is terrible on these laptops

[@yeshwantkethineni3694]

@@MultiMojo I have not used it enough unplugged to really give an opnion on battery, but Notebookcheck gets 8.5/10hrs web/video so not bad (normally any bright OLED/miniLED panel destroys battery, with the exception of the MBPs), but also not really an improvement over last gen

[@MangeshMagudapathy]

How does that battery life compare between both of these devices, with GHelper?

[@Gustav0Silva]

For my use I believe that the PX13 is the best, perhaps a "PX16" version would be even better, but I would have to test it side by side, thank you very much for the videos.

[@mrjgp1]

Great comparison. In your video it looked like the screen on the PX13 is more reflective than the X13. Would you say that’s the case?

[@cbutters]

I would agree the px13 feels more reflective slightly.

[@popohorndo3928]

I wonder if it's possible to use the px13 bios on the x13. The X13 with thermal mods could perform better coupled with the new bios.

[@anestigjokoli]

I want to get that laptop, but how were you able to receive all the bundle? Which region did you order from? Was it from the Asus website or bestbuy or amazon?

[@cbutters]

for this evaluation I had ordered from ASUS's US website

[@Wonderrring]

Can we use proart for gaming?

[@alexkurdin758]

Thank you for your honesty, how about battery life in the new device px13? Is it better than x13 or not?

[@cbutters]

Should be slightly better, also performance should be a bit higher while using less power as well, as that new Ryzen CPU is pretty energy efficient while doing good work.

[@anestigjokoli]

is there any way to buy that backpack? what is the name

[@M_Mehdi_Mousavi]

Great review! One question though. If you use them with 100w PD chargers for portability, would the lose a lot of performance or would they act as if they are in balanced mode? Would they become equal in performance? What would happen? By the way, if the x13 charger is 130W usb-c, this means that the ports on x13 support PD higher than 100W , right? 🤔 So it's not PD3.0 which maxes out at 100W, but probably PD3.1 which can support upto 240W, right? 🤔🤔 Can you try a usb-c charger with higher than its original 130w and see if it works as well as the original, or you are restricted to the original charger for the full power? 😕

[@cbutters]

While the X13 can charge at 130W, that does not mean it supports PD higher than 100W. The stock charger can deliver 130W, but it is an ASUS proprietary thing, not PD. I know the X13 does not support 140W PD either. (I have tried with a 140W PD charger) Only ASUS Proprietary Signal gets you to 130W, otherwise you're getting 100W PD or below with conventional chargers.

[@M_Mehdi_Mousavi]

@@cbuttersThanks a lot 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@bluesunflower1698]

Hi, do both of them have an eye tracker?

[@KobayashiSenpai-mh4ob]

Hey can the px13 game on a 100w charger? Asking for on the go gaming, while traveling.

[@cbutters]

It can do it, it just isn't as fast as the regular charger.

[@keyaraj7570]

Thanks for reviewing this laptop. I was also disappointed by the 60hz refresh rate. I was hoping the P13 and the P16 would finally be the perfect laptop for productivity and gaming. Even if I wanted to only use this laptop for productivity, there are laptops that offer the same or more performance with better price points. I'm hoping next year's x13, z13, and x16 models suit my needs better!

[@davidsong6617]

Like what? At 13' 14' size

[@keyaraj7570]

@@davidsong6617 I was referring to the flow series laptops from 2023 and 2022. The flow x13 he's comparing the pro art p13 is an example. I'm hoping Asus upgrades the flow series in 2025, especially since there are alleged leaves about the specs in the rog flow Z13 2025 model.

[@Shaffan17000]

Same, in my opinion 2023 x13 is still better, just for the screen.

[@davidsong6617]

​@keyaraj7570 the flow has gpu and cpu limitations..in this form factor and specs I don't see a better laptop....speaking from a productivity standpoint not gaming.

[@keyaraj7570]

@davidsong6617 By all means the P13 is a great laptop. It's just not the best for a 2in1 productivity/gaming laptop. A previous comment from Tommythegun does a great job of explaining most of the same reasons why I specifically wouldn't purchase this laptop.

[@M_Mehdi_Mousavi]

One question sir, when you swap the ssd on this laptop, do you need to get the drivers or anything windows or driver related from the first ssd? Or you just install windows on the new ssd and it will handle everything by itself?

[@cbutters]

The PX13 is the only machine I've ever had issues with doing a clean install... seems it must have some custom drivers baked in. (Or it did right at release time when I was trying it.) I had issues and had to clone the original drive instead.

[@M_Mehdi_Mousavi]

@@cbutters Thanks a lot for the answer 🙏🏻

[@Hikari-sai]

no MUX switch on PX13 :(

[@radlink14]

Since it seems both 4050 and 4060 options on this laptop are 75 TGP, is it worth the extra 300 for 4060?

[@cbutters]

For the 8GB RAM, I think its worth it, you also get a backpack if you get the 4060 version from ASUS, so I think there is enough value to justify the extra 300.

[@kamilkonieczka6114]

hi, is it possible to charge PX13 via usb c port? would it be sufficient? i would love to use PX 13 with my other laptop with smaller usb c charger...

[@cbutters]

You can charge it at 100W. It's enough for most things, full performance gaming isn't possible, but 100W is plenty to have a really decent experience, but the clock speeds will be slightly lower.

[@kamilkonieczka6114]

​@@cbutters thanks for response. I was wondering if Asus Rog Flow X 13 charger would fit and if it would be sufficient enough...

[@cbutters]

@@kamilkonieczka6114 It would... Not sure if it would charge at 130W, but it would definitely do 100W for sure.

[@kamilkonieczka6114]

@@cbutters thanks!

[@stefdevs]

Would have been nice to see max performance in tent mode, which is how I always game with 2in1s. That said 60hz is a non-starter anyway...

[@pfeliciano5976]

I would like to see the px13 vs blade 14

[@Edgar-ob9vq]

Agree, that 60hz and non VRR is a dealbreaker for me

[@aryuumayuuki2486]

did you backup first before you upgrade the ssd on px13?

[@cbutters]

Yes! Very important on this model, as I could not get a fresh copy of windows to work correctly.

[@aryuumayuuki2486]

​@@cbutters thank you, I was planning to upgrade it once I got the px13 on hand

[@tijubaby3520]

I want to exchange my macbook m3 with px13 is it wise decision??

[@ovenchicken9847]

would love to see how it runs unreal egine for develpoment

[@DanielMazz]

What do you think of the p16

[@cbutters]

I'm sure it's a great performer as well, but It doesn't appeal to me for the 60hz reason and no convertible aspect.

[@DanielMazz]

@@cbutters why is 120hz important whats better or do it just make games run faster

[@HeidiTwitt]

​@DanielMazz so it means that your display refreshes 120 timer per second which makes everything feel smoother including games

[@ricarmig]

Do they have 120 Hz or more screen?

[@cbutters]

Not on the PX13 no.

[@diego_rs_oficial]

msm sendo brasileiro assiti pq nao tem esse comparativo no brasil🇧🇷

[@krkrbbr]

4070 will be available in the future

[@throttletribevn]

why would u want 4070 when its bottlenecked by temp and having to share its performance with the cpu...

[@cbutters]

exactly because the TDP is constrained is why I would want a 4070 over a 4060. The 4070 can do more work with less power because it has more execution units that relies less on higher/ power hungry clock speeds.

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

yall take care

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

obsolete rog flow cpu still perform better and has better led as well, x14 will be epic for portable pc gaming handhelds could never

[@krkrbbr]

Please just use mono audio this is really uncomfortable

[@erictayet]

Oh man, the review of the PX13 was going so well until you mentioned there's no mux switch & no VRR. That's a dealbreaker because the X13 2022 can REALLY sip power and get close to 8 hours of office work with OneDrive paused. No wonder the battery life is so poor compared to other AMD AI 370 laptops. I really thought the PX13 will be a worthy replacement. Here's hoping there will be a X13 2024 with AI 370 & 4060 + the cooling solution of the PX13. The X13 is really held back by the thermals.

[@yianovich]

60hz in 2024 is inexcusable. "I use 60hz on my professional editing monitor" this is a laptop, scrolling is HORRENDOUS in 60hz saying otherwise is unjustifiably lying to my face. Px13 could be perfect, but it's unusable PS: the flow can push more wattage in manual mode or with g helper

[@Valmed87]

I wish Asus would stop shoving OLEDs down our throats. Mini-LED are more power efficient, brigher and no burn-in risk. Give me either of these Laptops with a mini-LED at a minimum 600 nits in SD and I would buy it in a pinch.

[@cbutters]

I somewhat agree... I'd much rather have a mini-LED than a 60Hz OLED. However; OLED can be lighter, thinner and double-stacked for brightness, less burn-in risk every year as well. In the future I think everything will be oled, but yeah I'd rather have a Mini-LED than a subpar oled any day.

[@Valmed87]

@@cbutters well lets be honest: Apple always uses the best stuff in their laptops. As long as the MB PRO has mini LED, its pretty obvious what the best screen is. As far as burn-in risk...I know LG TVs have some pixel shift technology so that they dont tire the same pixels...but I dont know about laptops. Thats why they keep them dim and you can barely find an OLED with more than 400 nits. I myself have a FlowX16 and supper happy with the extra brightness, black is deep enough, HDR1000 is gorgeous, and I can barely notice blooming in everyday use.

[@cbutters]

By your logic..... Apple's newest and most modern device the iPad pro 2024 uses the "Ultra Retina XDR display features state-of-the-art tandem OLED technology". I'm not trying to say miniled isn't good, or you're not having a great experience with your display; I'm just saying OLED seems to be the where the industry is headed and I believe it has the best quality and characteristics.

[@Valmed87]

@@cbutters Tablets are a diffent beast. They have to be thin and light...wich oled is and mini-LED is not. While laptop sits on a table or on your lap, tablets must be held in your hand. Apple know what they are doing

[@huorloongkuah6868]

Checking in on the GPU Wattage, For PX13 4060, can we confirm the max Watt? I saw on another channel it mentioned 75W - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqGnZ6eofsqaldk Asus seems to not willing to show this on their site

[@cbutters]

If I remember right... the GPU actually is rated and capable of 90W if you look at the NVIDIA-SMI data... The performance mode sets it to 75W though (including the 10W dynamic boost. You'd have to go into manual mode to get the 90W and it just can't keep up with heat and has to throttle to 75W or less in most cases, so the fact it can actually do higher wattage for a few seconds doesn't really mean much... expect 75W maximum in real world.

[@MakeElectricity]

asus has glitches

[@jeffersonmp4]

60Hz 👎👎👎👎👎 Even MacBook PRO has 120Hz