CCI shotshell is WORTHLESS??? | SLOW MOTION IMPACT TEST

[@timrobertson299]

dude! look at the 4:51 minute mark there is a fly on the paper plate and you NAILED it!

[@WHOTEEWHO]

WHOA

[@sethplemmons4406]

🤣

[@YeeOww]

Nice! 😎

[@redtsunami326]

That was the flies stuntman. Look at that dive and roll.

[@timrobertson299]

@@redtsunami326 must have just been a graze shot, he was not there in the next clip, ole WHO_TEE_WHO is a dead eye! just remember no flies were harmed or killed in the filming of this fine video!

[@PassengerFifty7]

On my grandparents farm we called this "Rat Shot". Thats what we used it for and it never failed. I had no fantasy of taking ducks out of the air with it.

[@lomax117]

Yeah. These are good for rats and snakes. That's about it.

[@JazzKazoo0930]

Pretty much, all these are for is shooting vermin without collateral damage

[@jdsr7423]

Eggsactly rat shot to be used in barns sheds and sometimes the house 🤠 takes care of varmints and snake's that crawl and walk on 2 legs when sneak in where they don't belong.😉

[@johnshields9110]

One of my older brothers asked that I purchase some of these for him if I ever came across any for his 22 Magnum; he had a 6 inch Smith & Wesson. I found some and paid a frightful price at a Gun Show. The next day, he loaded up and fired at large weed head about 10 yards away - nothing. He pointed it straight up into the Maple tree were standing under and fired; a single leaf floated down. He commented, "well I guess I won't be shooting any quail out of the air!" He finally shot an old boot that I found and threw at his feet, which peppered up pretty good, with about a two foot pattern. I'm not sure I would count on it to kill snake.

[@jdsr7423]

@@johnshields9110 Can't speak to the 22mag but I've used 22lr on a water moccasin next to the boat and 38 special on a couple of varmints. The leads only really effective close range on pests like rats snakes and while probably not lethal should make an intruder think twice especially if you're sending it to the upper parts of the body. Close range and thinner skinned targets are the key which also means it should pose any real danger to the other side of a wall 😉

[@garyK.45ACP]

I grew up on a ranch in Runnels Co., Texas. When I was a young man, working in the pastures, I asked my father for a handgun to protect myself from rattlesnakes, which were abundant. He gave me a Colt Official Police .38 Special revolver. We had a well set up reloading operation at home, for both metallic cartridges and shotshells. I made up some . 38 handloads with #9 shot using a chamfered case to cut wads from the thin cardboard that came in shirts. I was using Red Dot powder, a card wad, #9 shot and another card wad to seal the case and a slight roll crimp. We didn't have the benefit of these "shot capsules" at the time. Suffice to say, they were miserable failures at killing snakes beyond 5-6 feet, though they worked well _within_ 5 feet. I eventually gave up on the .38 revolver for snake protection and switched to a S&W .22 LR Model 34 Kit Gun. I used regular 40 gr. lead bullets. I could head shoot a snake at a greater distance with .22 LR loads than I could with .38 shot loads. Later, when these shot capsules became available for handloading, I tried them again. I tried both .38 and .44 caliber capsules in .38 Special and .44 Special cases. Again, similar results...within the range they were _reliably_ effective at killing snakes, a .22 LR bullet was just as effective. Nothing ever replaced the .22 revolver for snake protection for me. FWIW, when my father passed away, I inherited a lot of his guns, but my older sister got the Official Police. A few years ago, my older sister passed away and her husband gave me the old Colt revolver. It is still in my safe and I even fired a few shots out of it today when I went to the range.

[@lessargent2582]

They work real well! I used to keep my Stainless .357 Ruger Security Six loaded with them on my boat. They would really do a number on a Cotton-Mouth or a Rattler.

[@donne9768]

Exactly what I got them for. My stainless Rossi snubby stays loaded with these for our 100-yard walk to the mailbox.

[@tombob671]

Those darn cottonmouths are a terrible nuisance for fisherman

[@donne9768]

@@tombob671 One tried to board my niece's kayak here in AR.

[@retirednavy8720]

The stuff is intended for small pests at close range and it is effective for that. It has never been intended for hunting or self defense. And the guys talking about shooting rattlesnakes are spot on. At 5 or 6 feet it will flat out knock the hell of of a buzztail.

[@davisrs1]

We used them for rats under corn cribs and barn pigeons without damaging the buildings. Good for squirrels at close range, too. The stuff caused less damage to the metal roof and siding than the pellet rifles and BB guns we used to use.

[@banjopops67]

Last time I researched rat shot, I believe it was #12 shot. So you are correct, after a few yards or an impact with dirt etc, it loses all its energy quickly. Perfect for where you described, and very similar to what I use it for- snakes, rats etc inside a chicken coop 👍🏼👍🏼

[@gregucho969]

Same here, getting rid of nasty barn pigeons with .22 rifle and this birdshot worked great with little damage to the structure.

[@thomasgibson8025]

Mini-shotgun shell. I have used the 22, 22 mag, 38/357 and 44 mag versions. Effective out to 15 feet, to dispatch rats and snakes. An effective tool if used within its limitations!

[@larryspiller6633]

I've used some in .38 special for some almost urban hunting/pest settings. Worked well enough being so close to the target. An ultra light load .410 would serve me well too.

[@rayburns8019]

I took over a dozen young pigeons in about 10 minutes one day with 22 cal shotshells in an unmolested barn. Really tastey.

[@jaydemay7]

Again. These are designed as "Snake shot" from a revolver. I've killed 40+ rattlesnakes over almost as many years out of a Ruger 3 screw. One shot one kill.

[@jaydemay7]

22 LR patterns even better out of the same gun.

[@Danielsyoutubechannel5]

I like how he didn't like your comment even though your right. Sad these fools make misleading videos.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Dan I get thousands of comments a day. Takes me a while to get to them all. Even liked all of your negative comments. Hope u have a good day

[@gewtube3794]

Hope you ate them. Rattlers are good eatin

[@MattWaller04]

@@Danielsyoutubechannel5 don’t be a hater bro

[@MichaelJohnson-dt8tv]

A certain Granddaddy I knew as a child (I was the child, not him!😄 And I won’t say whose granddaddy he was; wouldn’t want to sully his name and memory.) had a henhouse. He and his wife did pretty well, all things considered. In fact, they did so well that some of the neighbors seemed a bit envious. After about 3 of his hens came up MIA, he ran out of patience and good will. He had an idea who the culprit was, so he decided he’d be there to greet him at the henhouse for his next late night visit. So he took an old canvas camp chair and set it up. Now, if memory serves, it was an old 10 gauge dbl barrel black powder “county sweeper” he took with him. Of course, not wanting to tear the poor chap in half, Mr Granddaddy opened up a couple of shells (they were paper back then) and replaced the shot with dried blackeye peas and rock salt🤣. When asked if he was concerned that those “loads” were too light to even reach the target, he just smiled and said he was gonna be right behind the door. Well, to make a long story short, Mr Granddaddy’s suspicions about the culprit were right, and it was probably a month before that guy could sit down again. And he probably never wanted to see another chicken for the rest of his life!😄 True story - as far as I know.

[@tscoff]

Your grandfather was a wise man

[@MichaelJohnson-dt8tv]

@@tscoff- Hey, I never said it was MY granddaddy!😊(never said it Wuddn’t either!😂)

[@markgodwin3466]

Man I would love to have been there!

[@kearneydillon4803]

In its small window of usefulness, it is capable of pest control with minimal energy to do background damage. It is hard to shoot pests near buildings with projectiles that can ricochet or have enough energy to penetrate walls such as .22lr or bigger. I use these in .357 and its got plenty of mustard for small animals

[@mykehunt2430]

That’s what I say I use the 22 rounds inside my buildings to take care of mice and squirrels. I also have the 357 rounds that I’ve never gotten into and some 9 mm rounds.

[@todd1547]

Looks to me like the ammo performs just about perfectly for its intended purpose. When I lived in town, I used to use these in 22lr in a little revolver. They worked great for snakes...super effective, wouldn’t damage surrounding objects and weren’t loud enough to have my idiot neighbors calling the cops. Now that I live in the country, I carry a 410 shotgun in the truck which allows me to stay a little farther away which is nice since I don’t move quite as fast as I used to. For the right application though, these little shot shells are awesome. People that criticize them just don’t understand what they’re intended for.

[@rayburns8019]

Yep, perfect--but there's always somebody--who has ro say, that it failed miserably at dropping a charging rhino in it's tracks at 5 yards.

[@raraiiraiira5744]

Even half the world away, we have the same neighbors.

[@williamsporing1500]

Lol….why are you afraid of snakes?

[@todd1547]

@@williamsporing1500 Where I live, we have snakes that can kill you or your animals.

[@williamsporing1500]

@@todd1547 same here. Kentucky is full of copperheads and rattlesnakes. I see them fairly regularly. I leave them alone, they leave me alone. Pretty simple.

[@AEMace069]

CCI clearly states that it's intended for "close-range pests" (but does not define close range) and that it is not intended to cycle semi-autos. I found a couple of 3rd party retailers that mentioned "up to 15 ft". CCI says nothing about a smooth bore barrel but, judging by the 5ish inch pattern you got here, 15 feet could spread out to about 24"+/-. With that kind of spread and 159 pellets/shot (#12: 2,385/oz × 1/15oz per shell), you'd have about 2" between each of the 0.05" lead balls. Your 3" lemon *might* have caught 4-5 of them and at a much slower velocity than the 1,000f/s at the muzzle. Another site said, regarding #12 in general, "... good for snakes and rats...a range of about 6-10 feet". So, is it useless? Not entirely, but (following CCI's recommendations) I would not use it for self-defense, unless I foresaw the likelihood of being jumped by a salad. IF you load it into a smooth bore bolt or lever action AND you set your expectations correctly (rats, NOT elk!), you'll probably be very satisfied with it. If you continue to judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree, it will always disappoint you. - paraphrased from Albert Einstein

[@beanieweenie9543]

The experts! 😂😂😂😂 I don’t know why but out of all the videos you have ever made this one cracks me up the most. And the fly on the plate, classic!

[@imskeptic1]

Hey, you gotta know that this stuff is not intended for long distance use, or sporting game, it is not a substitute for a shotgun. Years ago, I was at my brothers home when he discovered a mouse eating from his dogs food bowl. He calmly reached for a nearby 6 inch revolver which was loaded with shotshell, (although to be fair, I believe it was a .38 cal.), and from a distance of about eight ft., dispatched said rodent with one shot. Instant kill, with no collateral damage at all. That's really more of its intended purpose, to my way of thinking anyway. Don't expect more from it than it's designed for. Just sayin'.

[@gregwallace9314]

CCI also sells empty shot shells for reloading ( or at least they used to ). I would repack them with #6 or #7 1/2 shot for extra power. Worked good on a snake at 10 foot. He sort of blew his mind over it. Ok !

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

Exactly. It's purpose is for pest eradication at very close range. It does this well. It is almost worthless for anything else, but it does a great job for the purpose it was designed for.

[@richards.2690]

Exactly!!!!!!! That's what they were intended for. Rat shot ,snake shot.... keep your revolver ready with this shot !!! HAHA 😄 🤣!! OK

[@joshyingling]

I went around my neighborhood shooting bugs and lizards with em. Fun and quiet with no risk to the neighbors house

[@davestikeleather7489]

Would have liked to see this done using a revolver

[@ChrisJ-mf7cj]

Things used within their purpose are a useful tool.

[@jaythomas3583]

Like shooting 🍎

[@turdferguson4447]

@@jaythomas3583 No like kill snakes

[@edrankin7001]

Good rat shot too or if you step up to the .38 good for taking put birds in barns without putting holes in the roof air rifle is cheaper but very effective atleast

[@jefferycollins5158]

@@turdferguson4447 that's what I was thinking blew a snake head clean off with one in 22wmr in my 6" heritage rough rider

[@nsboost]

I don’t see the purpose. I can put a .177 pellet between a rats eyes at 20y with a cheap Gamo break barrel riffle. Don’t see a reason for these things to exist besides they are “cool”

[@erwinhansen1332]

I had a H&R 22/22WMR. My wife was shooting 22LR through it. She did not notice that a round went halfway down the barrel, and fired another round and bulged the barrel. I had shot the cci shots through it before and after. The shot beforehand produced a ring pattern and a full pattern after.

[@daveberg3911]

When I taught each of my kids to shoot I lived in Arizona and had a grapefruit tree in the yard. I'd go out to the desert with a couple of grapefruit and shoot it with a CCI Stinger .22LR. It put a little hole in the front and blasted the back of it to shreds. It really sent the message home that even a "little" .22 could do some serious damage and to treat it with respect.

[@fluffles9591]

Only problem is that it would kill the attacker three days later but wouldn't stop him when initially attacking you

[@kenthatfield4287]

There's a big difference between a 22 long rifle shot shell and a 22 stinger hollow point.

[@dimassalazar906]

I think they work great out of my snubby revolvers. I tried it out of a 6 inch barrel revolver first and it didn't pattern very well. Then when I tried the snubby the shotcups slipped out and locked up the chamber. A friend suggested I put a drop or two of super glue on the crimp might help. It worked great.

[@halonichealer4277]

I have an old .22 Magnum revolver. I used to keep it loaded with hollow points, but after getting a new modern semi-automatic handgun it seemed a waste of time to keep self defense ammo in the revolver. I live rurally and sometimes the dogs find a snake or critter and I have to search for ammo for the appropriate gun to use on them. Now I just leave the old revolver loaded with shotshells for when the dogs alert on something. The shotshells have worked great so far on everything from snakes to opossums and I no longer have to choose which gun to use and start rummaging thru ammo. Repurposing the old revolver has worked perfectly.

[@BirdogEd]

Growing up in the East TN mountains with my brother, we used .22 shot shells to take out rats around the chicken coop at night...they did the job!🔫🐀💀🤠👍

[@davidhandyman7571]

In Australia, we call them "rat shot" not shot shells.

[@paulrice8342]

@@davidhandyman7571👍

[@joewoodchuck3824]

I'm East Tennessee too.

[@oldmanpatriot1490]

I love these shells.. I carry my 22 pistol everywhere I go on my farm cause I get varmints all the time trying to get at my animals.. Its really not practical to carry a shotgun all the time, especially when you are doing chores.. These little shot shells are great for rascals on the run.. especially if you dont want to put holes in your barn. I do carry regular rounds as well but my pistol is always loaded with these

[@boonedog1457]

That round in someone's face would be dehabilitating. They would most likely survive it, but it would take them out of commission for awhile. The shock alone would paralyze them. However, if they were an armed intruder, you may want to step it up with a 12 Guage, or a 45, etc. Just make sure the intruder is threatening your life. The courts rule life over property.

[@andrewgilbreath1331]

Na that's why they say dead men tell no tales use something big enough to put them down. Also better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6.

[@darrengarcia4937]

.556 at close range will fragment. And its gonna do some damage as long as its not M855. Granted it might be tough on the ears but even 12GA overpenatrates a bit.

[@mountainman441]

When your out frog giggin at night with a headlamp on and snakes are in the water these are the best to have in your sidearm

[@noahmercy-mann4323]

I've spent a lot of time in the swamps of Florida, and occasionally a moccasin would get overly aggressive, or I'd run across a rattler up by the house. I've shot them with dozens of different cartridges, and will say the 22 Mag CCI shotshells from a revolver- mine had a 5 1/2" barrel- was the absolute best stopper I've used. 4 yards was probably the longest shot, and at that range I'd get dozens of hits on the central nervous system.

[@chrissewell1608]

I find a 9mm just cuts them in half!

[@MjrNiGhTmArE]

I just found bird shot for my 40cal Glock. It’s some mean stuff!

[@tbjtbj4786]

Yep I think the rat shot is better out of a handgun than the long barrel of a rifle.

[@guermeisterdoodlebug7980]

Right on. My experience was almost identical to yours as I was cruising timber in south Georgia and north Florida, 1970s. As successful as it was for me, I really don’t care what is shown in the video of fruit and vegetables shot with rifle. Now a senior and working in my own woodlands, I bought some of these cartridges two years ago and they still work. You don’t need to take dead aim, just point in the direction of cottonmouth or rattler head, fire, and it’s over-they never even move. Frankly, in all my years of cruising timber I have yet to be attacked or even threatened by a watermelon or pepper.

[@tbjtbj4786]

@cloverleafsippa713 yes. But until he heny came out with theres when the last time you saw a garden gun? Its been awhile since they were made. I think the shorter barrel affects it less than the longer one. And to be honest i have no use for a "garden gun" bigger pest in a garden or birds in the orchards i am using a 410 i like the rat shot for rats and snakes. And for me that handgun usage.

[@michaelpaske4327]

As one person mentioned farmers often use this to kill rats in grain bins. The #12 rat shot and low power/quick energy dissipation make it perfect for firing in either wooden grain bins in a storage shed or barn or steel/aluminum Butler buildings that store grain. The distances are usually under 3 yards and I have never had a .22 LR ricochet with enough force to even make a mark on hand or arm, however I always wore protective glasses when shoot in steel buildings and wells. There was the other excellent use for these little shotshells. Our old han dug wells that were rock lined. Snakes LOVED to hole up in them in the winter. A Colt Woodsman .22 semi auto was great but had to manually eject part of the time because there is not enough recoil to cycle the semi-auto - an old Sears (High Standard) 8 or 9 shot revolver or a Taurus 94 was perfect for taking out rattle snakes & copperheads and other non venomous but aggressive snakes before you had to go down in the well to replace the sucker leathers or make other repairs. A lot easier to use a hand gun in the well as you could hold flashlight with the other hand. I never relied on one shot to take out a poisonous rattler or copperhead, I made sure the head of each and every one was well perforated before climbing down that ladder.

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

"Short Range" isn't it obvious what they're for? For snakes, I keep a few in my sidearm with slugs behind that.

[@donaldlawson5088]

Umm lived in the desert all my life and as a kid all the way till my adult hood we used those 22 shots for rattle snake and it works perfectly.

[@laptopdragon]

Overall I'm impressed with CCI and their R&D on manufacturing .22lr/.22mag shot shells (among other caliber). Sure it's got limitations, and is for a niche group yet that is exactly why I've got so much respect for companies to put so much work and effort into stuff like this. Now, if I can get them to make the shotshells with salt instead of lead we can season our rodents while we hunt them.

[@AndyViant]

solid pepper for impact and salt for area effect

[@textig061]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jerrycapanear8227]

Wow, I sure like that idea....

[@boomstick4054]

From a 24” barrel bolt action rifle, the velocity is greatly increased. They aren’t designed for long range. You can still stay out of strike range of a snake & kill it,, or kill rats from a few yards with a pistol or rifle with .22 ratshot. Of course, 38 Special or 44 Special, 45 Colt, 9mm or 45 ACP ratshot is more effective. May as well just use a .410 shotgun, but the various calibers of ratshot is a way to use whatever gun you have for pests or snakes.

[@swampjoe1985]

I carry an xds in a 45 and that's what round I carry when I'm out riding the wilderness,

[@boomstick4054]

@@swampjoe1985 “Blackberry Gun”.

[@swampjoe1985]

@@boomstick4054 never heard that expression before

[@NC-xk1eg]

Not what you want to hear but....a great comparison would between a rifled barrel & a smooth bore of the same length! You are appreciated!

[@shawntailor5485]

They like an old worn out barrel or smooth bore for pattern. Rifeling makes the shot "ring".

[@harrypalmer728]

When I lived in MO I carried a small 22lr revolver loaded with shot shells in my tackle bag for copperheads and water moccasins. All my shots were under 6 feet and one shot was always enough.

[@simplicityrm]

Rat shot was designed to shoot mice and rats inside a house and or barn with out really damaging you interior (not saying it won't). The original rat shots just held mustard seeds (22lr). For what they were intended for they worked pretty good.

[@chadvail4436]

I would shoot bugs and spiders as well it’s just fun shooting inside 🙂

[@shofarsogood7504]

@@chadvail4436 try a bug-a-salt? It’s not the same but still pretty fun. And no damage.

[@ronparsons8043]

Rat shot, known about it for years, different look different brand. Rats, snakes, song birds, anything small that one could get close to. I'm happy with milk jugs at 100 yards myself.

[@danielsacks7152]

I have a Marlin 39A Golden Mountie .22 LR that has been loaded with nothing but bird shot for decades. I have run a couple hundred rounds thru it. The Winchester without the shot capsule was about 30% more effective. We used it for huge flocks of sparrows that would roost up in the barn rafters, 20 ft up and at either end of the barn. starlings, carpenter bees, and rats. I certainly made those shots at way more than 3 yards. Probably 35 feet was about the effective limit, but several longer shots were sometimes effective, but believe it or not, I got 2 starlings and a sparrow on the wing! Only tried it 4 times, so a 75% rate ain't bad. However, It was ONLY useable out of that Marlin. I always attributed that to the fact that it has "Micro-groove" shallow rifling, thus not spinning the shot very well. It shot better dirty, so we didn't clean the bore very often. It sometimes wouldn't break the shot capsules. I think the shot capsule debris affects the pattern. They didn't pattern nearly as well as the crimped case style. It had a good pattern out to about 25-30 feet. Also, often, velocity isn't your friend for holding tight patterns .22 win mag may be too hot.

[@kst357]

I'm one of those smartasses who commented in the last video that the shot shells are for close range, so it's totally awesome that you came back to do another test. One more reason why this is the most entertaining shooting channel on YT.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching Fred

[@032254855]

is good for getting rid of pigeons in the shed got to get em at night with a spot light they don't fly away and the shot doesn't put holes in your shed it does bounce around a bit though

[@zenofthemoment]

My grandpa used them on the farm for dispatching unwanted critters. If it was good enough for him, it's more than good enough for me.

[@BelmontClan]

My old man used to call those blue caps rat shot and he owned a 38. Smith and Wesson

[@jasonmillsap8138]

I've found these rounds quite useful when dealing with rodents in attics, I don't have to worry about putting holes in walls or roofing.

[@claytonsteele4869]

yup, meet snakes when I m fishing frequently. Dead snake, very quiet, fresh bait.

[@sdebeaubien]

I always heard it was called "Snake shot". Nice to see how effective it can be from 3-6' or maybe even 7-8'.

[@Tenskwatawa4U]

Me too. I've killed mice with them indoors, also.

[@erniewalden3050]

Actually there called shotshells. Atleast thats whats on the box. Lol

[@erniewalden3050]

@Suicide Kyd yep. Im looking at a box now ans it said cci 38/357 shotshells hahaha. And just yesterday i killed 2 more cottonmouths with it. When you shoot one in the water they roll around like a log in the water hahahaha

[@Old52Guy]

Here in the US West they work really well on rattlesnakes. Those critters blend into the soil and rock and you only see them after they start rattling. I always have my revolver loaded with these things when hiking and camping.

[@OwOUwUOnO]

Just imagine a ye'ole hand cranked Gatling Gun style firearm that fires a strip of 100 CCI shotshells

[@moonbyul873]

It's worth mentioning that rat shot comes in all sorts of calibers. I've seen 3 possums meet their maker to this stuff (regular .22lr wasn't great and took 2, but 40 s&w just deletes their brain doing the job instantly) and it's no joke at the proper range. I think a lot of people hear "shotshell" and think it's akin to a shotgun, but it's really not. They're largely meant to be fired from a pistol at real close rangers. It's technically referred to as pest control (or rat/snake-shot) and is meant to kill pests, (like rats and snakes, who knew!? lol) just outside of striking distance/hidden in a bush where you don't know specifically where it is but you really don't want to go poking around to find out. Not personally a fan of .22lr or .22wmr as other calibers will fit more powerful guns and do the job much more efficiently. Using a long gun is also kinda pointless since most calibers are pistol calibers and the accuracy is trash beyond like 3x arms reach. Just a pest control round, and if you carry a 9mm, 40S&W, 45 Auto, 357, etc and have issues with rats/squirrels/snakes/etc, then they're a godsend. We mostly just use them to kill possums we've trapped that our trying to kill our small farm-animals.

[@aquaman7356]

Absolutely love your commentary!! The subject has been on my mind for decades. The way you put this video together was superb, and especially cool you changed your mind at the end.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching

[@marshred]

The 22 LR shotshell, loaded in a revolver, is perfect for Rat hunting in the house! Had a little problem, after Hurricane Laura, with a couple of rats that came in while house was under repair. These shotshells work great on big rats at 3 ft for sure!

[@WolfQuantum]

Basic info. These are meant for handguns and "SNAKE" distance. Hence why it's usually called snake shot. Be it the rimfire or centerfire the longer the barrel the more holes in the pattern because of the spin imparted by the rifling. Less distance to travel, less spin imparted better pattern. I don't know if it's still out there, but there used to be a "rat" shot cartridge that had the shot inside the case and the mouth was star-crimped. There were some smoothbore .22 rifles that used these for well, rat and vermin shooting for the reasons some folks below have pointed out. Less damaging to structures. At a few feet though, the snake shot splats good no matter what it comes out of. Speaking of snakes. Today here in SW Texas, we were having a meeting for our little, online magazine (The Fort Clark Dispatch) when one of the ladies said, "Is that a snake?" Yep, there in the board room where we were meeting was a baby rattlesnake that almost blended into the carpet. Naturally, the ladies and I took photos and kept an eye on it until the Security/Wildlife manager popped in with the grabber and hauled it out. I was proud of those ladies. Like proper, rural Texas women they were like, "Huh, how about that." Just matter of fact.

[@steventrostle1825]

I used 2 rounds on a very large Jack Rabbit fired from my 8" barrel 357 Mag pistol at about 3 yards - he acted like nothing happened, he did move about 1 foot closer to me. My next round was 158 grain hacked hollow point with the predictable result.

[@nativeamerican8069]

Bird shot sucks fired from a handgun. Nothing like a 158 hollow point to pop a rabbit

[@mikehorejsi110]

It sat there for 3 shots out of a 357? I don’t think so.

[@charleswinters7129]

I killed a old groundhog that didn’t run anymore when a human met him on the porch. One shot from 3 yards from a six inch S&W killed him dead.

[@nathanlambshead4778]

I love these. I use the Long Rifle version. I find the WMR tends to spread out too fast. The pattern seems to blow apart out of a rifled barrel of carbine length as well. The Long rifle cartridge holds together better, especially out of a 5.5 inch Single Six barrel. At 10 feet it is about an 8-10 inch spread, with a 60/40 point of impact. Took out another rat 2 days ago. Measured 16 inches nose to tail. That makes about 8 so far this year. Right around 15 foot shot. Any further than that and it just stings them.

[@jamesfranklin5541]

Agreed on the LR preference

[@triumphmanful]

big rats !

[@nathanlambshead4778]

@@triumphmanful They grow em big out here in the country. But I still think they are probably cleaner than NYC rats. :)

[@tofupower64]

Remember when Charlie Chase's son tried to burglarize a house and got shot in the face with that stuff? Of course he lived, but his face was pretty bloody. Looked like it hurt.

[@jeffrielley920]

I live in Nashville, so I'm probably one of the few who remember this.

[@clksvlguy03]

I live in Clarksville...I remember it

[@joecitizen6046]

Funny story...About twenty-some years ago my dad was visiting during bird hunting season. He bought the out of state license. I only had one shotgun at the time. We tried to buy one for him but the store said that it could take anywhere from one to three days because he was from out of state. So, he said forget that. I had a 22lr pistol and some shot shells so my dad said he would give it a try. While we were up in the mountains, he walked up to a tree and took a shot. He got it. That grouse (along with a few others) really tasted yummy that day.

[@milkandcereal5473]

I’ve killed countless snakes with cci 22lr rat shot in a small SW revolver. The point of using rat shot is that it does little or no damage to the floor if it is indoors and no worries of a deadly ricochet in the rocks. You can’t snipe water moccasin from across the pond, but you can safely blast a copperhead at your feet. I recently shot one in my house. Behind the plastic garbage can. It killed the snake and made blood red and lead grey dots on the floor and plastic. This is easy to clean. When hauling or moving rocks, you are eventually going to run across a few snakes. The pellets flatten on the rocks and there is little to no dangerous splash. If you want a good snake gun that is for distance shots get a long barrel 410 birdshot. Don’t bother with the pistol 410 for snakes. The spread is so quick you have to be within feet from the snake to use it effectively. At that point you might as well just use the cheaper and safer 22 rat shot.

[@michaelperkins2740]

Everyone I know who uses these, swear by them for rattlesnakes. I haven't tried them yet, but I can say the .38 shot shells work really awesome on snakes.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🐍🐍🐍

[@davidnice9216]

I have the 38 / 357 shot shells from CCI and a friend made some for me in 357. With # 9 and 8 shot mix for these Montana rattle snakes. Carry in a gp100 when ever I am out in the field during summer( snake season) some places I see no snakes and there are places that are bad with them.

[@tonybarnes3859]

if u can and need to get that close buy a shovel

[@rossgalbraith3878]

Can confirm. I've taken a couple of Western rattlesnakes in Oregon with .38 spl shotshells; one shot, one kill. .22 lr shotshells work a treat on big old Norway rats in the chicken pen too.

[@stevewilson4799]

My brother had a 357 and carried them in it for snakes

[@delclifton6096]

My primary home defense gun for 30 years has been a 4 inch 357 mag with rat shot in cylinders 1 and 2. I've always figured that 2 quick rounds at 5 or 6 feet would slow an intruder down enough for a head shot if necessary. Just my opinion.

[@Shaun_Jones]

I’d be kind of nervous about that; I’ve seen police shootings where the guy actually gets faster after eating a couple of 9-millimeters.

[@Imnotyourdoormat]

Them things were designed for John Wayne to shoot Rats in the corner when *General Sterling Price* was too drunk to do his job around the house. They were good for that...

[@bradslone8511]

I've used .22 and 38spl .357mag shot shells for a lot of snakes throughout the years. That's about all it's good for.. I always carried a few of these in 38spl or 357 mag when I used to carry a Smith &Wesson 686 in the mountains for snakes.

[@gerrym5453]

These were originally advertised as "Snake Shot". I have been using them for years for snakes and birds. They work great for the purposes named. Only problem today is the price for a box of 50. They have gone crazy on price.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🐍🐍🐍

[@crunch9876]

What are they advertised as now? I always thought sable shot. They got new marketing?

[@wolfhuntersarmory]

They were sold in boxes of 50?? I can only find them in boxes of 20, and when they were available in my area (been out of stock everywhere for a year) they were $9.99... at least the .22lr shotshells. Never bought the .22WMR shotshells.

[@shanekranz3945]

You mean rat shot

[@larrygibson9273]

Yes they are expensive. Had .357 loaded with these, for 'snake medicine'. GF at the time loved camping, hated snakes, gave her that .357 when she needed to pee. Much happier GF.

[@mbm887]

I would Never use shot shell in a Rifle. The rifling creates a tremendous spiral effect, use a short barrel pistol.!!!!!!

[@BilgePump]

Yea whatever, they suck

[@chrisguice139]

Longer barrel holds a tighter pattern.

[@chrisguice139]

@vettelover2009 of course it does but the subject was long barrel vs short

[@chrisguice139]

@vettelover2009 ok

[@strayblackcatsmeow]

@vettelover2009I disagree 100 percent. I use these in my north american arms revolver with a 1 inch barrel. The shot AND its casing make it to the target where it breaks up after impact. I prefer them in this gun because they hit like a 22 but will break up on 1/2 sheetrock minimizing collateral damage risks. The longer barrels are shredding the casing rifled or not so they exit the bore in microshot form giving a range of a few feet.

[@saxon1177]

Well, I would say that's a good defensive round if a lemon breaks into your house. 🙄🤣

[@Jacob.Clark0808]

I don’t think I ever used this for any practical application but I remember going with my grandfather with my little 22 and a pocket full of those as a kid every year at the holidays and shooting some holly out of the holly tree up the street, fond memories, I still have one of them from when I was little sitting on the top shelf of my gun safe

[@roger7857]

If in area of venomous snakes carry my 6" Dan Wesson 22 with 3 shots helps a 3 hollow points never needed the house. The 357 and 44 are much more impressive..Glad you changed your mind on them for close work. They serve a small niche well. Even impressed me in today's video with the damage

[@samcoon6699]

Thank you for doing another video on these. It's good that you have the passion and open mindedness to take another look at these. When I was a kid, we lived out in the woods and would go swimming in a creek. Dad would come with us with one of his .22LR rifles for snakes. Occasionally he would need it. And with just a .22LR shot shell, as long as he was out of reach of the snake and no further, it worked just fine. The .22 mag shot shell of course works better.

[@WHOTEEWHO]

Appreciate you watching Sam

[@samcoon6699]

@@WHOTEEWHO Appreciate you giving us something good to watch!

[@drifter50038]

Let's add context; You have a barn in which a tractor is parked, some saddles are hung from the rafters to keep the mice away, hay is stacked et al. And up in those rafters are Pigeons, or other feathered crappers... dumping corrosive bird S*%t all over everything... Soooo... you bust a 22lr or a 22 mag... and guess what? The crapper is dead... but... now The roof leaks! Light the fire of that .22. bird shot... the crapper is STILL extinguished... buuuut... that lil .22 bird pellet... bounces off the sheathing! SWEET!

[@fraa888grindr6]

On the Rattlesnake Hill Ranch, in rural Northern California, these shells are quite effect in dispatching the Northern Pacific Rattlesnakes that frequent our 16 acres. We typically carry these in calibers .22lr, 38spl/357mag for the variety of revolvers we carry on the property. Mama says, "A dead snake is a good snake."

[@markphipps8655]

As a kid I loved quick drawing my Ruger Single-Six loaded with .22 Mag CCI Shot Shells on Cotton Mouth Water Moccasins. If you walk the banks of Cotton Mouth infested waters at night with a headlight, they will often poke their little heads out of the water for a better look. If you then face them to put your light on them they pop open their cottony white mouths - the signal to draw. The results were always satisfying as we didn’t like them much anyway and the water showed your shot pattern. Scant worry of ricochet with the shot shells aswaged

[@WHOTEEWHO]

🐍🐍🐍

[@garybaldwin1835]

You need to bye federal .22 cal long rifle bird shot 25 grain No. 12 lead shot . It works 50 times better than the blue pill top type .

[@rickmanley767]

I agree, it does pattern better.

[@claytonsteele4869]

I agree, but it is hard to come by in Idaho, also CCI is made where I live.

[@erniewalden3050]

Love the all American 22. I have one in 22lr Man with the right scope you can drive nails. I carry the shotshells in my ruger wrangler. Work great for cottonmouth sneaky snakes. I also have them in 357/38 Last year i was fishing and a huge cottonmouth came out of high grass were i was sitting in my lawn chair and i pulled my taurus 605 out loaded with cci shotshells and literaly blew the snakes head off. They most deffently have a place in my tacklebox

[@gblackburn31]

Went all Lee Harvey on the Watermelon there Who Tee! 🤣

[@FFEMTB08]

I’ll still stick to some real ammo vs something that is questionable. Anytime you have to pull a gun out, there’s no dicking around.

[@bubbigguns4952]

Yes👍

[@johnsegertsons2143]

It's not ment for self defense situations , it's for EXACTLY what the box says SNAKE SHOT or RAT SHOT !

[@FFEMTB08]

@fred McMurray overcompensating or making sure it’s done the first time?

[@JEricson]

@@FFEMTB08 If you wanna make sure it's "done the first time", these are a better option. Maybe you're a much better shot than most people but aiming at a 2 inch spot(the head) moving back and forth from 10 ft away, yeah... I'll take the slight advantage of actually hitting it, even if it takes a couple, it's better than missing completely.

[@jkconner9636]

Go ahead and shoot a moving snake with a 9mm...unless you get lucky & get a direct head shot it will just keep going. Hit a 8 footer 3 X’ s & it just laughed at me. Even made the mistake of not leaving the chicken coup. I came back with a 44 loaded with shot shell. One hit literally broke it into 2 pieces. Shot shells have their place. Snakes & rats are their ticket.

[@richardanderson2742]

As many others have said, it is a very close range load and most often used out of a revolver. Side arm shotshells are a personal defense weapon against small things brought to us by Mother Nature. While I own a .22 WMR revolver, my normal around the farm, hunting and fishing carry is a Ruger 101 in .38. The first 2 rounds are shotshells and the other 3 are cast handloads. When shooting shotshell loads, the idea is to be as close as you can be to the target without putting yourself in danger. While I’m sure there are some here that could easily pop a snake’s head from 10 feet with a solid round, I’m not one and so the wider pattern of a shotshell is definitely appreciated.

[@bobthebuilder1360]

@Ex Democrat we are all not Hickock45 the God of Guns

[@pappy451]

@@bobthebuilder1360 and i have even seen HIM miss ! oh it's true ! it's true .

[@Eddie-uf8oo]

Do you get much of a spread at 10 feet? I like the idea of using it for the first couple rounds followed by a couple more serious traditional rounds if need be for personal defense. But I’ve yet to try that, which is why I’m asking.

[@richardanderson2742]

Out of my Ruger you'd get about a 12 inch pattern at that distance. You'd definitely put a few in the snake, but getting any in the head would be 50/50 at best. It might be better in a longer barrel, but I haven't tried it. Obviously using a snake load works best the closer you get. The target in this area is copperheads, which don't get that large and have a fairly limited striking distance, making close up shots relatively safe.@@Eddie-uf8oo

[@matthewlasota9073]

A lot of people don’t know because it doesn’t say anywhere but the rim fire shot shells are meant for the Henry smooth bore garden gun

[@2drunksracing]

My son was pretty proud when I bought him a cricket rifle and shot shells to clear pigeons out of the shed.

[@johnelder9919]

.22 shot shells are really best used out of a long barreled (5-6 inch) revolver on snakes or rats at no more than 3 yards. Any further and it's time for a .410 gauge.

[@fiveowaf454]

Your comment made me think of when I tried shooting #7 shot in 410 out of my Bond Arms Derringer, the spread was something else, if you were shooting down and something on the ground you'd have to careful your feet weren't in the shot pattern :) I've tried a few types in revolvers and you are correct you need some barrel length and to be at very close range for them to be effective, other wise the shot spread so much you could miss the target and any that do are quickly losing power as they head down range.

[@smoky-phil7694]

So basically medium sized stick range then.

[@nmarbletoe8210]

I tried 22lr from a 6 inch barrel and at 15 feet or so (if I recall the distance), it didn't go through a cereal box

[@pappy451]

@@smoky-phil7694 no more than 1.5 inch thick . . . fits the hands better .

[@howardsmith9342]

While not intended for long range, at short range this round can KEEL.

[@ronmunoz5655]

It will keal

[@troyb.4101]

At seven feet from a rugar Mark II the skunk walked away. These 22lr are totally worthless. 25 feet 12 guage bird shot rips a skunk in half most of the time. Those rounds are totally worthless. CCI should do the right thing stop producing garbage.

[@troyb.4101]

PS, they also don't cycle in a rugar Mark II.

[@russtriking3398]

YOU HAVE TO BE IN RATTLE SNAKE BITE RANGE IN ORDER TO GET ANY DAMAGE TO THE SNAKE. EVEN WITH THE 38 SPECIAL SHOT, REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH SHOT TO STOP THE SNAKE. ONLY IF YOU GET LUCKY YOU MIGHT KILL ONE. I WOULD NOT COUNT ON THAT. I PREFER 12 GAUGE @ 15'! OR A SCOPED .22 @ 20'. I DID KILL A 12 FOOTER WITH A D6D DOZER ONCE. I WOULD RATHER HAVE A SINGLE SHOT .22 SHORT!

[@howardsmith9342]

@@russtriking3398 The only time I killed a rattler was with an Isuzu Rodeo, and I didn't mean to. He was laying in the road behind a cattle guard, and I nailed him before I saw him. RIP, little dude.

[@alanb76]

My grandfather had a smoothbore 22LR rifle, and I tried various CCI and Winchester shotshells in it. It worked great on snakes at 6 feet but totally failed on small birds at longer ranges.

[@ianchevalier5951]

Guy absolutely did smack that fly with a peice of shot lol.

[@PaleoCon2008]

That was worth doing again! You may have opened up a whole new shooting sport! The CCI page does say to use at short range so you are on the right track here with your veggie hunts! I was going to ask if the pellets created exit wounds but it looks like they didn't go all the way through. Great video!

[@gregy2197]

Very specific tool for a very specific application, not for most normal uses.. Thank you for showing what these can do. Great for close shooting of pests without harming yourself or buildings close by. Otherwise useless, but when you need one, they are great.

[@GeezerWheels]

I've killed several prairie rattles with .22 LR shot shells. Every one goes limp, does not even wiggle around or try to bite. (Way different from cutting their heads off with a shovel - I've done that also.) True about range, stay very close. Out of my revolver, the shot spread about one inch per foot of distance. I keep snake shot to 6 feet or so. EXTREMELY effective for 3 foot prairie rattles. Not meant for much more distance. I did knock a mid size raccoon out of a tree from 6 feet, it was stunned and did not run, but I needed normal hollow points to kill it. Thanks for testing this stuff!

[@randyterrell2261]

Grew up Rabbit, Squirrel and Quail hunting in Southern Indiana. At age pf 7 got my first rifle, an old, old rolling block 22 cal “LR” (not WMR) with probably an 18 inch barrel. First year got 8 rabbits, 4 squirrels and 1 quail at ranges of 5 to 10 yards. Second year, tripled that so don’t consider that worthless. After than, upgraded to Mosberg bolt action 410 (Which just gave to my grandson) where I really did some damage…. Only a Poor workman blames his tools...

[@Maxid1]

When I was a kid working on a farm (read 1970's) I found these invaluable for killing rats in the hay barn. I used a Remington model 241. I wasn't using magnum rounds. All you need to do is make rats bleed and the job is done, they'll bleed out. I was shooting in a slate roof barn so ball or shotgun rounds were going to do too much damage to the barn. I wasn't that close. Probably often 10-20 feet away and still hit the rat every time. One thing I did learn shooting rats was, they knew the direction shot was fired from and to a rat, every one of them tried to attack me. And I shot 100's of rats (they took up residence inside the corn chopper that was parked in the hay barn). They all died and I went through about a half a case of these before I got all the rats that would show themselves.

[@ryanwilson5936]

Cowards…. Lol

[@disgruntledpedant2755]

They attacked you? Wtf

[@bruced.370]

@@disgruntledpedant2755 cornered rats 🐀 always attack

[@Maxid1]

@@disgruntledpedant2755 They tried to. After I stomped the first few that came at me. I ended up putting a couple boards over the stairs down to the milking barn so when they ran at me, they fell down into the milking barn instead of biting me. I don't remember what the farmer did with the hay, it can make the cows sick, but it no longer had living rats in it.

[@AnAZPatriot]

For a supposedly (other so-called evaluators) worthless round of ammo, I've killed scores of both snakes and rats with it out of my Ruger single action revolvers in both 22mag, and 44 mag. from 10ft give or take. At those ranges spread is only about 3 inches out of those pistols.

[@v1nc3nt_v3ga]

I got my first pistol loaded specifically with those CCI shotshells at 11 from my dad when I was "old enough" to go out and help brushcut the 5 acres for snakes...he always called it "snake shot" ... was extremely effective at that job.

[@thomasgibson8025]

Many years ago, the girl across the street had a party and rented two horses for rides. With horses comes hay and with this hay, came mice. My house was now home to lots of mice and my then wife was freaking out. I set out traps and caught a few, but I foamed every nook and cranny in my bedroom. Low and behold, I trapped a mouse in my bedroom. I shot the mouse with my H&R .22 nine shot revolver and CCI .22 shotshell. I linked this together with the hay as the mouse had a horse fly bott emerge from where I shot it. Another time, I used a .38/.357 shotshell to disperse a squirrel that got into my neighbshots he'll. Both times the shotshell killed the animal and caused no additional damage to the surrounding structure.

[@shiivd]

Ammo tests in 2019- thousands of rounds Ammo tests in 2021- we have 4 rounds of .22 to test

[@GodsGladiator]

Dang score one for the internet experts haha. I died a little inside tho when you said I don’t think I needed to buy another gun..... always need another gun haha 😆

[@WHOTEEWHO]

True

[@johnsegertsons2143]

I agree, but a smooth bore long gun ,talk about extremely limited use Who T who made the right call this time.

[@tscoff]

I used to love those shells! They don’t kill anything, especially at more than a few feet. But they’re great for chasing wildlife out of your yard without killing it. It basically lets you slap them from a distance.

[@kgunter1955]

Back in 1981, I was in the USAF, stationed in Sacramento, CA. I had a part-time job at Dominoes Pizza. We delivered to the "Projects", BAD area! I carried a .357, 2 shot shells for the first 2 rounds, hollow points for the other 4. I got robbed 2 times before that!!

[@ashleyhorne3502]

Oh my goodness you’ve shot and killed those harmless vegan foods.

[@davidjernigan8161]

I agree the garden gun is better. There were Remington smoothbores with a Rutledge bore that worked well, and they seem to work better in a revolver if you use a gun with a rifled barrel

[@randallanderson3079]

Anchutz made a rifle with a rfled bore for half and a rutledge second half. Will shot a nice pattern at 15 feet. Taught my grandson

[@randallanderson3079]

The art of wing shooting with. Boy scouts use them in the fifties. 22 hot she'll garden guns work well.

[@zfodge1]

Had these in a Italian made .22 long rifle single action pistol back in the 70's. I killed a rattlesnake at 5 feet in Nevada. Right after I turned my blue jeans brown after stepping down off a big rock on the top of a mountain top trail. Heard the rattle and was suddenly 25 feet down the mountain side!!! We were panning for gold above the town of Lovelock. I was 16 years old.

[@davidcampbell2661]

We always called it bird shot. Saw a 22 rifle modified with a smooth bore liner. That made a lot of difference

[@heywardmorgan7699]

It also makes nice first round for home defense revolver, the quick spread gets the attackers attention fast, gives you better chance to control the situation

[@kennethrisner8648]

i wasgonna say something like that. if you really didnt wanna kill a human attacker, and inside of 21 feet, this stuff would still break the skin and cause all kinds of discomfort, maybe even blind someone if shot in the face

[@johncarter5200]

Until the guy breaking in your house is on meth !!I’d prefer to illuminate the threat not cause discomfort?

[@johncarter5200]

@Mike Hock Never assume you’ll get more than one shot off

[@LambdaZetaTeke]

It will scare the shit out of them! I once fired one from my 9mm on a darkened range. The damn thing shot flame 2ft, lit up the entire range! Shooters left and right set down their guns and looked to see what I was shooting. To the guy who commented about not getting a second shot, always double tap.

[@johncarter5200]

@@LambdaZetaTeke r u trying to scare someone or save ur life ?

[@eliferguson3422]

3:37 "some boolluts!" Haha, I love how you say that. 😂

[@WHOTEEWHO]

😝😝😝 honestly just saying it weird to not get the voice recognition to flag the videos. Ha!

[@eliferguson3422]

@@WHOTEEWHO that's a thing? That's crazy. So that's why people try not to say guns, bullets. Hmm the more you learn 😆

[@WHOTEEWHO]

@@eliferguson3422 absolutely is a thing. Always trying to stay one step ahead

[@mr.noneyabidness]

Man, I have not heard, "l am going to take a hit on this apple," since high school!

[@DC-ez8ts]

Finally a “movie style” shooting where the subject is blown back after impact.

[@donadams811]

When I was a boy I always had a Colt 22 loaded with CCI mini mags bird shot. It would kill snakes within 6-8 feet without fear.

[@91fox35]

Every round has its place period

[@WHOTEEWHO]

👍👍

[@giovannitallino6606]

You'd get a lot more range with the smooth barrel of a "garden gun." The rifling imparts a rotation to the swarm of pellets and the centrifugal force scatters them considerably and the pattern shows a fairly empty hole in the middle beyond three or four yards. When I was a kid in Italy I shot a 9 mm Flobert rimfire cartridge in a smooth-bore single-shot shotgun. I went with it to a friend's farm and at sunset I shot at the sparrows roosting in the pine trees. All shots were within 10-15 yards, and the sparrows fell dead. However, those little metallic cartridges contained more pellets than the .22 Magnum shells you used here and are charged with more powder. They have an odd shape, with the diameter of the rear (in which the powder is contained) much larger than that of the long front end that contains the pellets, and must be used in a shotgun chambered for them. Fiocchi sells them, but they are quite expensive, not reloadable, and I do not know if guns chambered for them are easily obtainable here. I've never seen one in the U.S.

[@ttocselbag5054]

I used to shoot this ammo with my pop when I was a kid some 50 odd years ago. He called ‘em CCI stingers, but we never shot up the fruits of the land like you do Who_Tee, we just blasted water-filled tin cans. So much fun for a yungin!!! 😁😁

[@aegismerc9718]

You need the Marlin 25 mg to make them perform.

[@michaelholt804]

There is a reason the old timers call these rounds "rat shot" or "snake shot". I believe my uncle had some in 38 special.

[@3gunshooter60]

I keep a magazine loaded up with shot cartridges in my .40sw carry gun when I'm out in the pasture near the creek. Copperheads are plentiful around here. It is very effective at 2 to 3 yds. About an 8 inch pattern.

[@patrickhuebner38]

I have been trying to find them in 22 long rifle for years and finally found some. When you have a chipmunk problem or a red squirrel problem, you don't always have the chance to line up like you would want to with a 22 so that is the answer and normally I'm figuring about 10 yards maybe a little less with them. Otherwise I'm limited to 22 shorts so I'm not doing any damage to the surrounding