CCTV RELEASED | Jeff vs Mike TRUE story

[@mitchellhooperstrongman]

Check out the original CCTV by Jonny Bravo here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJDIoGBsfpeEhbMsi=zbWESXQN-pQGwl54

[@user-wc1em7pc2p]

When someone twice your size makes a threat it's better to walk away and report it to the gym and if it's serious enough call the cops. Full stop. If you walk up to some dude twice your size after an implied threat, with your hands behind your back or not, you're going to have a bad time. People, the US has jails and probation offices filled with people that don't care whether you're being calm and cool and just "getting clarification" on whatever was said. Just check your ego, have some common sense, and don't engage with them. Walk away. You'll save yourself getting throat slammed like Jeff did.

[@Cwakes33]

Maybe if you talk shit back it up and don’t hide behind law enforcement? That’s the way real men grew up. Any of us left? Simps

[@Cwakes33]

@@mitchellhooperstrongman do better as a Canadian sir. This a tmz channel now?

[@bearstrengthwithin]

Johny Bravo from Cartoon Network? Lmao

[@reviewsvoiceontube]

Mitch nailed it- I fully agree with all points made.

[@ItsJkaz]

Mike ended his career within the fitness community before 90% of us even knew about him

[@Mohmmed18]

Bro what career

[@mariusastier8138]

It's the opposite his sells have never been so high

[@dodumichalcevski]

😂😂😂😂

[@dumblebrug]

​@@mariusastier8138$15 extra revenue for the month?

[@LatimusChadimus]

I have to laugh because maybe 2 days before this happened I saw a video of him doing a one-arm bench press and I thought it was impressive but I still never clicked to see who that was and then I later learned who it was because of what happened to Jeff.

[@JerryJ84]

The worst thing Jeff did in the CCTV video was calmly and non threatenly approach an emotionally unstable and insecure man child.

[@Thundersgaming]

Sometimes it's not even insecurity steroids can make for feel schizo when you're on pre workout too. No reason to try rage baiting someone who's off his nut on drugs

[@user-wc1em7pc2p]

The worst thing he did is let his ego get in the way. You don't need to ask someone "what did you say" without thinking you may need to do something in case it doesn't stay just words. Confrontational people aren't going to be kind, and you have zero sense if you approach then. Just walk away.

[@nicholasolivarez9047]

Should’ve never approached him, if someone even incline they’re about to assault you, you should leave them alone. They both are in the wrong here; Jeff just got the shorter end of the stick and got punked

[@davemathew]

Whole thing was staged for drama and views.

[@user-wc1em7pc2p]

@@nicholasolivarez9047 100%, always disengage, de escalate, and don't let your ego get you in a bad situation. Jeff didn't need any clarity, his ego wanted it.

[@HaughtKarl-jx9vr]

It's pretty straight forward. Mike assaulted a man who's much smaller than him and non-threatening over a disagreement on the internet.

[@omerdirekci8857]

If Jeff was either enhanced or trained in some sort of combat, he would have cowarded out the moment jeff stood his ground. Stereotypical roidhead.

[@TheDarkLasombra]

The smaller thing is completely irrelevant except to point out that Mike would never attack someone larger, as he is a huge coward.

[@bigguy7353]

Nippard's size makes no difference. You can attack a baby or Andre the Giant, they are both humans with rights to not be sucker-punched, essentially.

[@pablorages1241]

roid rage

[@misanthrophex]

@@bigguy7353 in general you are right, but it changes how dangerous the attack is then. He jabbed Jeff in the neck, I would construe that as attempt at murder. He couldn't reach Andre's neck, so maybe he would push him in the belly, so it would be just an assault, I guess. But yes, both should be punished.

[@timmy1tap678]

Yrs ago I managed a convenient store and we were robbed. Adrenaline was pumping. I got like 3x details wrong about what happened vs what the camera showed. It's normal under stress or high adrenaline situations to get details wrong

[@GrapeCheez2]

Exactly. I've heard many law experts say that. Can even see it in interrogation videos. Sometimes victims will unconsciously leave things out then remember days later.

[@timmy1tap678]

@jinndiaz3752 Absolutely. That's also why lawyers will always tell u NOT to talk to police right after an event happens that in any way could make u a person of interest. Cuz any detail u get wrong the police will often take that as u lying and will absolutely use that against u later. Even tho they're aware of this phenomenon. End up getting yourself in trouble for no reason

[@MellonVegan]

Exactly, that is 100% normal. I mean, even just being emotional about things going wrong or being wronged can make you mix up facts and only realise after communicating them (or never). Sth like that happened to me as recently as today.

[@robertmusil1107]

Our brain isn't a camera. We forgot often that emotions paint our memory.

[@benjamin3615]

I wore a paper on Eyewitness Accounts for a General Psychology class in college. Memory itself is malleable, and everytime you recall it, your brain has to reconstruct it over and over again until it eventually becomes something that didn't resemble the original event at all. I actually went into how you could use the brain's malleability against someone and make them internalize events that didn't actually happen. Long story short, eyewitness accounts are about as worthless as rusted metal, and brainwashing someone is very, very real.

[@GVS]

I find it surprising and disappointing that anyone thinks this attack is justified. This entire incident has really exposed how many thuggish smoothbrained violence craving lowlifes there are in the fitness industry.

[@todward3295]

I mean other Roided out freaks who have assaulted are defending him by coping

[@Not_Even_Wrong]

I really hope Jeff presses charges

[@RJB_TV]

he did. he pressed charges.​@@Not_Even_Wrong

[@jediwheels1781]

It's a pretty saddening eye-opener. But so many people are telling on themselves over this incident.

[@derekmortensen85]

The only ones that would be supportive of something like this are ones that are of the same character and would do the same thing. Basically this is the want to be tough tool bag class of fitness.

[@Kansanite]

Jeff: Science is optimal. Mike: Why I oughta!

[@LatimusChadimus]

💀

[@turnbeutelvergesser_7767]

it isnt that optimal if the brainless mike can throw u 5 meters with just hand

[@titanmethods2519]

Best comment.

[@jarrettbrehmer3026]

@@titanmethods2519 We don't say the S word around here partner

[@sazzowl_gaming8203]

He probably also votes for Mr alternative facts

[@papadross]

Jeff's explanation of the altercation was truthful. Jeff mentioned that he went to ask him what he meant by Mike's previous statement and that's when Mike attacked him. Taking three steps in his direction to talk to him isn't an act of aggression.

[@MG-rm4pz]

People saying otherwise are coping hard. There was no reason to believe that Mike would be physically aggressive. Jeff walked over to talk about things like a man. Simple discussion.

[@qc6057]

Too many people are saying Jeff attacked him first while showing the security footage. It’s pure cope.

[@Laurelinad]

In a crowded public space you might want to step towards them just to not have to yell through all the gym for a Private convo. So Yeah, all fine imho

[@serginho6837]

What is 'cope' ​@@qc6057

[@2adamast]

By telling his cameraman (and Mike) _watch me_ while approaching Mike, he is accepting the challenge, then we got round 1. Mike routinely one inch pushed him to the floor and not to an engine, is he a bouncer, having worked with too many drunk guys?

[@hansoloburger2322]

It’s crazy people are actually letting the fact that Jeff walked halfway to Mike somehow change the narrative that Mike assaulted him. What I also find weird not a single one of these videos have I heard mentioned how close Mike got when he originally walked past him. That’s not normal in my experience walking past somebody about to workout so closely

[@SOC-ir6im]

Yea my first thought as well and been saying things about to get real funny…dam straight id wanna know as well…I agree that him taking a few steps changes nothing but he def should of explained it that well to begin with because as said it would change nothing but now we have this ridiculous controversy over it

[@joseluissantos9854]

Yea and I love how they completely disregard Mike approaching and saying something to Jeff first WHILE Jeff was trying to record a video. What’s crazy is that people are calling Jeff out for posting that he got a CT scan done and not standing up for himself, but when Mike threatened Jeff, and Jeff slowly approached him asking him what he meant by that all of a sudden “Jeff knew what was coming”, so what it is Jeff had it coming or Jeff should have stood up for himself ? I swear people are slow asf Mike is in the wrong point blank and simple there’s no excuse to his behavior. You don’t throat slam someone who had his hand behind his back

[@hitmanx200]

@@joseluissantos9854I have a feeling the people saying those things have something in common with Mike

[@The1trueDave]

Yeah, even if absolutely nothing else had happened it's terrible gym etiquette to pass 6 inches away from someone who's doing a set or just about to start. (Clearly MVW did it deliberately but you know what I mean...)

[@matlenaghan7488]

Yea it's crazy, why would people even care that Jeff's account of what happened isn't what actually happened.

[@TheJipino]

The fact that Jeff didn't perfectly remember a situation like this isn't too crazy. People's memories are bad at the best of times, let alone in a highly stressful situation like this.

[@Randorandom232]

But he had a recording 😂

[@druid5561]

I’ll drive home and not remember driving home lol, it happens

[@TheJipino]

@@Randorandom232 not of the whole thing. I'm not sure if he watched the cctv or just knew it existed, so correct me if I'm wrong on that.

[@druid5561]

@@Randorandom232 Yeah and in the recording the video cuts off. Mike said something to Jeff, Jeff chuckled, Mike turned and said “it’s about to get funny”, Jeff walked over to Mike and asked what he meant by that and Mike assaulted him. It literally lines up? Wtf are you on about

[@TheJipino]

@@druid5561 i just locked my door and forgot if I had 2 seconds later

[@KeyserSoze23]

Unless Jeff literally shouted at Mike "I'm going to assault you!" while walking over. There is no way this footage actually helps Mike under the law.

[@Idiomatick]

In Canadian law even shouting that wouldn't matter.

[@Cwakes33]

@@KeyserSoze23 open your mouth get smacked in it. Law of the jungle. Not your soft ass keyboard warrior life….

[@Cwakes33]

It’s a bitch slap at best. You all soft. 🤡

[@Average1212]

@@xavierb9061 yea....... because most cheap cctv doesn't have it.........

[@BronzedBeast]

​@xavierb9061 The gym was on Mike's side until public outcry was loud enough. What males you think they would release a video to make Jeff look good? Even the captions on screen were edited in by some loser that wants to make Mike look good so badly

[@Draevon68]

I find some faith in humanity when I see the comments supporting Jeff in this chat getting hundreds and thousands of thumbs up. The ignorant comments supporting Mike have gotten very little support.

[@BEARDEDSLOTH802]

Jeff is a coward supported by cowards

[@BlankLI]

The only difference in the story is that Jeff approached him to ask what did you mean by that, instead of the whole exchange happening in the spot where jeff was doing curls. That's hardly a lie, and if someone says things are about to get real funny, I'd want a clarification too because that sounds like a threat

[@AlphaAbyss_]

Walking a couple steps is hardly confronting someone Jeff was in between sets we all tend to wander a little mike still approached Jeff nothing changed

[@James_oh408]

I think want Jeff meant when he said he didn’t walk up first is when Mike walked up and said sup

[@matthewboik421]

Especially when you're putting yourself in very vulnerable positions in a lot of exercises

[@larrytate1657]

You can walk anywhere you want in a public gym.

[@2adamast]

An influencer was filming in a public gym, when the useful background came in and ruined his footage on purpose with a neutral remark (close to woke approved (until now)), so he got after the guy with his camera and asked for an explanation

[@WindowtotheSoul]

Going to the gym was such a big deal for me, I felt so self-conscious, but one day, the biggest guy in there saw me struggling and offered to spot me with my little 10kg dumbbells. He was so warm and welcoming and hyped me up and now he nods and says good morning to me - that means much more than I think he knows, that feeling of acceptance. How the big guys in the gym behave really matters.

[@NeoCrowne]

Yes, I need to remind myself when I see new people in the gym how frightening the gym can be for some. A kind or encouraging word goes a long way.

[@nkosev]

usually the biggest guys are the nicest , mike is just an exception to the rule ..

[@cleightorres3841]

@@nkosev he aint that big lol

[@rtypepe]

I am glad you had a good experience.... I was told to go to "children's section" and stick to the cardio machines. The gym staff did nothing, but did offer to cancel my membership with no penalty.

[@MrWillAdams]

@@nkosev300lb at 6ft is pretty big

[@AsianAttack]

"Jeff wasn't fully truthful"?? no, Jeff wasn't fully _accurate_. there's a huge difference. and it makes complete sense for him, being the one assaulted.

[@TheJohn8765]

Any lawyer will tell you that if there are 15 people watching the same thing happen, you will get 15 different stories. Some more factual, some less. However, they aren't lying (automatically) just because of the narrative differences. Memory is very, very bad. Hell, some rape victims can't even remember what race the rapist was. Are they lying? Absolutely not. They're just freaked out and the brain functions very poorly under stress.

[@AnthemTD]

Thank you! A mild inaccuracy of Jeff recounting the situation is not equivalent to Jeff being dishonest. It’s completely absurd to say he wasn’t truthful

[@kazzpairez9529]

Yep. The moment mitchell said jeff wasn't truthful, I have now measured his critical thinking capability then I stopped watching halfway lol

[@AsianAttack]

@@kazzpairez9529 I almost stopped it as well. while Mitchell slightly redeemed his judgment, it's not worth the watch, tbh

[@xavierb9061]

The whole thing is recorded, clearly see his camera man. Why he only release little clip with nothing that provoked it

[@patrickbourne3819]

I wouldn't even go as far as to say Jeff wasn't truthful. He said that he asked "what do you mean by that". Its perfectly normal to get within speaking distance before asking a question and not shouting from opposite sides of the gym. To me it's the equivalent of not saying he made eye contact while speaking.

[@GVS]

Also whoever captioned that CCTV footage was clearly very biased. The camera guy never "leaned into" Mike at all. Labeling Jeff as "instigating" is really a stretch. I guess Mike is probably friends with the owner or maybe whoever turned over the footage.

[@au-ve7ru]

The clown of fitness with the fake Italian accent (aka John Bravo) probably captioned it, so not surprised lol

[@user-wc1em7pc2p]

You walk up to someone for "clarification" on some implied threat you better expect for there to be a confrontation. Only an imbecile would "what did you say" without thinking that is an escalation. You don't need clarity, you disengage. This is Jeff's fault.

[@danielcook3037]

​@@user-wc1em7pc2plol no one expects to be assaulted over the most amicable video ever made disagreeing with someone's assessment of bodybuilding. You are an absolute and complete dumbass

[@au-ve7ru]

@@user-wc1em7pc2p Good luck saying that to the judge lmao

[@danielcook3037]

​@@user-wc1em7pc2pNo one is expecting to be attacked over youtube videos. So stupid you have to be actually fucking braindead or a 17 year old edgelord moron

[@emacliftsalot]

It doesn't matter if u walk or talk or whatever, you aren't allowed to physically assault someone according to the law.

[@bigguy7353]

Tell that to the "wOrDs HaVe CoNsEqUeNcEs" crowd.

[@atodaso1668]

Depends on what is being said. You cant threaten someone and aggressively walk at them and not expect to get punched in the mouth. That didn't happen here though. As Chael Sonnen says " I can't let you get close"

[@RedBar3D]

@@atodaso1668 What I think you're referring to is self defense.

[@Reos-Domain]

Exactly, you don't just get to assault someone because they asked you why you were being a douchebag

[@ahnilatedahnilated7703]

@@atodaso1668 Words do not equal actions.

[@Seven7swords]

This doesn't change a thing in my eyes. If you think throat chopping someone because they approached you and asked "What's that supposed to mean" is acceptable then you lost the plot. Mike attacked Jeff, twice in fact. The second attack came after Jeff was backing away.

[@jamestheferret]

I think it does change it, it's worse than I first thought! You could probably argue the first shove was "emotions got the better of me" having a pause like that then doing it again removes that argument. That's full on assault

[@goawayleavemealone2880]

​@@topshelfdustin3060- Yes... don't respectfully follow the rules, presumably 1 of the reasons Jeff goes to this gym is because they allow recording.

[@hansolo631]

@@topshelfdustin3060 I'm almost certain I've heard one of these commentators say that this gym allows filming. If not, Jeff must be the stealthiest operative in the world to be 10 years into a youtube career or whatever he is, and still not be found out by his home gym.

[@topshelfdustin3060]

@@hansolo631 if your gym allows murder you shouldn't murder there either.

[@Seven7swords]

@@topshelfdustin3060 Did you seriously compare murder to filming at the gym? You are trolling. You have to be. Murder is illegal everywhere in Canada. Your ability to film at a public gym is dictated by local gym rules, otherwise it's legal and does not physically harm anyone. They are in no way comparable.

[@rodgill9376]

Imagine assaulting a person just because said person told you: “Let’s agree to disagree.” But let’s be honest here. Mike never liked Jeff as a person and heavily disliked his way of training for a very long time. Mike assaulting and putting his hands on Jeff was merely the icing on the cake at this point.

[@BEARDEDSLOTH802]

Bodybuilding community is filled with sissies like you

[@Paulxl]

Mike looks like an incredibly insecure person who need all the macho posturing to feel good about himself. And Jeff (and the science based fitness people) being the opposite of that eats him alive. That's the reason why he did what he did.

[@mayank817]

Imagine hating and hitting someone because you dont like how they train. Lmao

[@Felsane]

4:33 bro who edited that cctv video, "jeffs camera man leans into mike" no he doesn't lmao. He is literally just standing there and Mike just runs into him and assaults him too.

[@Codplayer89149]

Leans into him. Little 150 pound kid leaning into a raging ass hle. Sure. Cause that’s what a 150 pound. kid would do.

[@jonahbeedham616]

Camera man made himself wide to get in the big fellas way he got what he was looking for

[@MrBeeMeR320D]

@@jonahbeedham616 clown...

[@Codplayer89149]

@@jonahbeedham616 you really believe that. Honest i don’t care. Dont even know these clowns. But that little dude trying to bump shoulders. Really.

[@jonahbeedham616]

@@Codplayer89149 yep pay attention to the details I don’t care about either of these guys but those little lads weren’t innocent like everyone’s making them out to be

[@davidward5225]

I’m 76, lifting since 1966, and I am disgusted by this nonsense. As I’ve heard elsewhere on KZbin, “you need to do better.”

[@user-wc1em7pc2p]

You probably made it to 76 by disengaging from confrontational people. Folks that can't let their ego go end up in situations that pose a threat to their health. Always walk away, don't engage, inform management or authorities, live a long life.

[@LancerNub]

@@user-wc1em7pc2pthat’s such a weak excuse for someone assaulting someone else. You probably think Mike didn’t do anything wrong too.

[@schulme123]

@@user-wc1em7pc2p Please clarify...are you condoning what Mike did?

[@Real28]

David watches Joey Swole!

[@kamixakadio2441]

@@user-wc1em7pc2p Look at you, going around on different comments, replying, trying to defend Mikes behavior, downright laughable. You should know when you're entirely in the wrong, don't dig yourself into a hole that you can't get out of.

[@adrian-gr8hg]

If Jeff is getting blamed! It shows the decay of accountability and responsibility in our society. Mike was wrong.

[@jacogal8648]

@@marksilva2929Real tough guy 😂😂😂.

[@nischal711]

​@@marksilva2929but he started this shit. Jeff nippard never did anything. But Mike was always getting on his case for reason.

[@gilthala620]

@@marksilva2929 in America Mike would have had the 2nd amendment happen to him.

[@anomaly3215]

​@@marksilva2929 is that supposed to be a flex? "yeah my generation gets hurt by words so deeply that they have to physically react to show how tough and unphased they are" just stop talking you will never win this if we're using any sort of logic

[@darknessandlife777]

Unfortunately there isn't a shortage of insecure, estrogen filled rednecks rushing in to glaze Van Bitch while telling bullshit stories about "back in muh day I would best people up(You mean back in your day you used to get beat up. Sit down and shut the fuck up) for saying things" As you can see in this very comment section.

[@paulwitt8186]

If there is a silver lining in all this, it’s that we get to see who the good guys really are in the industry. Your content has hit my algorithm since this happened. I am a huge fan of yours now. This situation brings back memories of childhood bulling for many. You are the big kid on the playground, who was raised right and has a heart of gold. The big guy all the kids go to get to deal with the bully. It’s so heartwarming to see.

[@bigguy7353]

Neck and face tattoos didn't give you a hint to the bad actor here?

[@paulwitt8186]

@@bigguy7353 I was referring to the reactions of others. A very small minority of people are defending Mike. For example, Hostile as a brand is showing us what it’s really about. They can cater to backwards thinking Neanderthals while the rest of us focus our attention elsewhere.

[@PinataOblongata]

@@bigguy7353 I tend to think that kind of shit is purely to make themselves look scary, and associate head and neck tats with trash people, but to be fair, I have met some scary-looking, tatted-up dudes who were still really nice to me or professional around me. Of course, I probably didn't see them in a moment when they were riled up, and maybe they might snap quicker, but then maybe if they know they are capable of great harm they don't need to posture and they are careful whenever they use their strength. So yeah, it's not really something you can judge.

[@robbiewalker8403]

It's always been really disheartening to see the amount of troglodyte nonsense you can have to wade through to listen to the top guys in the fitness industry. You'll just be listening to a podcast and someone will pull bigoted, weird opinions out of nowhere and I just end up like that - "Huh?" meme fella lol. Hadn't heard of Mitchell before but glad the algo blessed me 👍

[@paulwitt8186]

@@PinataOblongata I agree. I really don’t judge people based on stereotypes. In this case, Mike didn’t do anyone with a bald head and neck tats any favors. Unfortunately, of the small number of people who are defending him, I am seeing many of the same physical traits as Mike. I hope many big guys respond to Mitchell’s call to denounce this situation.

[@hotcoldman9793]

This changes nothing. Words don't equal assault. Shows the decay of modern society if people don't understand that

[@jd9119]

Yeah but Jeff did play a part in instigating it. Still though, it could've been solved without the police or staff getting involved. Almost always if jeff were to ask mike if they could have a conversation, mike would say "yes." Then they could've worked it out like men. A little shoving and a throat grab aren't big issues

[@delphi-moochymaker62]

Actually making a verbal threat does count as assault. Putting hands on someone then becomes assault and battery.

[@delphi-moochymaker62]

@@jd9119 "A little shoving and a throat grab aren't big issues" - Battery on another person is a big issue. You have zero right to put your hands on another. Doesn't matter what they say. Mike can now be sued for 6 or 7 figures. I'm gonna call that a big issue.

[@robertwilcox1749]

@@jd9119 you must be an idiot. Assault is always a big issue, shows low morals and decay of society, as well as you supporting it.

[@dusteyezz784]

@@jd9119 ur brain is cooked

[@polloduh]

Jeff: How many sets you got left, bud. Mike: CHOKE SLAM!

[@dateusz]

I read it in Space Ice's voice and you should too

[@Suds1407]

The cameraman (who is a NOT** a minor) did not lean in, he just didn't move as mike walked in to him. That's 2 assaults on a bystander, regardless of what happened to Jeff. Edit: Cameraman is not a minor, big difference in the charges unfortunately. In Canada he could just be out on probation.

[@justinw1765]

I thought the cameraman was 19?

[@zechrojas2202]

Exactly! Legally, a person is obligated to walk around someone, not through them. The cameraman did not have to move out of the way.

[@chasecampbell4954]

Not a minor, 19 was confirmed. And no, 19 is not a minor. Terrible nonetheless.

[@James_oh408]

Yeah idk what that person who edited that footage was on

[@2adamast]

Classic paparazzi work, hunting with a goat.

[@EdwardHinton-qs4ry]

You just know Mike wishes so badly he was a gladiator or Viking but he's actually just an insecure bully.

[@lewlewlaser037]

Yup and the same can be said for the precious cowards who support him.

[@AverageMojaveMailman]

Mike wouldn't survive being either.

[@Viking_Raven]

​@@AverageMojaveMailmanExactly, the only reasons why he's been able to keep this attitude unchecked is because he lives in a privileged first world country. And whenever someone his size does try to check him he backs away.

[@TheArchives-o9f]

@@Viking_RavenI’m from Cape Town South Africa ,guys like that don’t even live to see 40 let alone 30

[@ZealotChemist]

Dudes like Mike claim to be “alpha”, but in reality they make terrible leaders. No one wants a cold, emotionally unstable man-child leading them.

[@Sanchez-n2u]

I’m glad you brought up been jumped in Australia . I’ve had this happen to me multiple times and ended up having multiple brain injuries and I’ve never been the same person since . This is completely unacceptable people need to be help accountable for their actions. Thank you for making this video.

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

I wish you well, friend 👍

[@awmlawoffice]

I'm an attorney and where I'm licensed (Georgia) this would be charged as an aggravated assault.People assume ag assault requires a weapon, but I can assure you it does not. Any object, including hands and feet, that can cause serious bodily injury, disfigurement or strangulation can support the charge. Normally, a simple push or slap will result in simple battery or assault charges (misdemeanors). However, throwing real punches, grabbing someone's throat or even the size difference (as in a 6' 300lb man throat slamming 5'5 180lb man) is typically enough for the ADA to think "this could have caused serious bodily injury or disfigurement" and charge you with aggravated assault. BTW, ag assault carries 1 to 20 in GA. I can't provide the N.C. law as I'm not licensed there, but I'd venture a guess that it is similar. Mike is doing exactly the opposite of what I'd want my client doing, post incident. I'm cringing at every post.

[@nkosev]

what would you advice btw ? broad terms appologise , keep it low , make amends ?

[@leonardsmith9870]

@@devilselbow It's even worse. Ontario has a zero tolerance policy. If someone attacks you and you fight back, you're getting charged too, so in a way it's a good thing Jeff didn't. If someone breaks into your home while you're away and they hurt themselves, they can sue you and win. It's a messed up place.

[@kompak]

I guess he didn't hire a lawyer... Yet....

[@cleightorres3841]

@@devilselbow your comment didnt age very well lol

[@cube730]

Really hope Jeff gets the best lawyers available to put Mike in his place (Jail)

[@tylerjones526]

Jeff: I train science based for most optimal results Mike: And I took that personally

[@shrimpbeefcake7544]

THANK YOU! Thank you for getting this. Too many fitness KZbinrs are blaming Jeff for walking over to ask a question, and it’s absolutely ridiculous. Thanks for saying what we’re all thinking

[@Kovac_]

The fact of the matter is that the entire situation could've been avoided if Jeff didn't approach the guy. Neither party is entirely blameless. It's not about good vs evil, right vs wrong, there's far more nuance at play.

[@PXO005]

@Kovac_ no. There is no nuance here. The guy assaulted somebody for wanting to talk to him- on account of something HE said. I don’t get you people trying to justify this man child of a person- even calling him a man child is an insult to most children because im sure even they wouldn’t resort to cheap shots. This is not a national geography clip where a predator has to get the first move on his rival or it loses it’s territory. We live in a civilised society where shit like this is unacceptable. If you don’t think so, go and brood in the forests because i can assure you nobody will want you around in any non-primitive section of human society.

[@zacharylaschober]

@@Kovac_this assumes the action Jeff did would have been seen as antagonistic to a reasonable individual and the response of Mike was reasonable. Jeff did nothing to instigate or further a situation which appeared to need diffusing, and he did nothing which was aggressive or threatening or otherwise warranting escalation. Mike, attacking this way from Jeff walking a few steps over means any small action could be interpreted by Mike as provocation. You're making a ridiculous assumption that there would not have been another potential interaction later this session or another day. We only know Jeff should not have approached Mike because of what Mike did. This is like driving through a green light to be t boned by a drunk driver clearly running a red... you shouldn't have, but I see no rationalization to put you at fault.

[@Kovac_]

@@zacharylaschober Are we not looking at the same footage here? Jeff walks up to him. It doesn't matter what whether he's being non-threatening or whatever, the situation would've ended after they chuckled at his entrance. "Jeff did nothing to instigate or further a situation" by walking up to him with camera guy in tow? You have two options, keep doing your sets and ignore the guy, or walk up to him. Which of these actions involves the other party? It's like I'm taking crazy pills here

[@sebastiancarreno7355]

​@@Kovac_ you are taking crazy pills. Jeff could have talk about mike mother and run laps around mike and mike would still be in the wrong. We would be more understanding, bit sill wrong. You can not punch people you dislike, as simple as that.

[@THECHOSENO1NE]

Thank you - finally a voice of reason on this situation. You took the words right out of my mouth. Jeff's account was lacking some details of the exchange, but none of the details that he left out were contextually important! It didn't change the dynamic of the interaction in any way. Mike made a vaguely threatening comment to Jeff in passing and Jeff went to confront Mike about what he said. It's obvious Jeff was only looking for an exchange of words, not a physical fight. If Jeff had approached Mike in an aggressive or threatening manner then I would say there is some fault on both sides, but that simply wasn't the case.

[@Damian_Materowski]

I'm truly amazed but also..."scared" how more and more people in this CLEAR AND OBVIOUS case try to justify Mike, make him a bit less villain, find some Jeff's fault here. What is going on here? Guys saying "Jeff shouldn't poke a bear", " he should know risk when walking towards Mike". Have you heard explanations of Guy Cisternino? This guy is nuts! WTF are you talking about?! It's public gym, there is in no place here for any "angry bears" and poking them - bears and other mindless animals should stay locked in ZOOs. Approaching and Talking to someone, is not a reason to be beaten. Jesus, what world we living? As always you're the man Mitch :)

[@seaofseeof]

It's either the the "just world fallacy" or they implicity operate under the assumption that bigger and stronger people are free to do whatever they want regardless of situation. Like, these guys consider themselves "alphas" yet here they are submitting themselves to men they deem their physical superiors.

[@MollymaukT]

And of all the things Mike could've done, he went to the throat TWICE, you dont ham someone's windpipe if you dont intend to seriously injury someone, guy is a complete psycho

[@unluckygamer692]

you shouldn't anger the bully, he is bigger than you so he better than you. if big bully bullies, you go home and cry like true "alpha male" ooga booga - average Mike defender

[@disturbed911]

Guy Cisternino is another idiot, just look at the video where he loses it at two people because they are laughing in the gym

[@majungasaurusaaaa]

Lifters are insecure wannabe tough guys. They're mostly the opposite of martial artists.

[@ZuFFuLuZ]

It's a felony. Plain and simple. And it should be treated as such. In court.

[@plikkkk]

I mean, it’s wrong, but definitely not a felony.

[@Vintage_geek]

Yep. No matter how many different angles of the CCTV you see, won't change the fact he assaulted a person who did not attack him physically. Even if we take at face value the remote possibility that Nippard may have verbally provoked... well, that is a very poor defense in court.

[@williamgentry3427]

@@plikkkk it’s decided by which state it happens in and who is prosecuting. It could be either a felony or a misdemeanor. Read more, post less.

[@Viking_Raven]

​@@plikkkkDepends on whether the attempted M charge sticks. There is a strong argument for the fact that he went in for a second jab at a vital bodypart.

[@beanieknowledge9019]

​@@williamgentry3427 it happened in the state of Canadia

[@Raja0]

5'10 guy claiming to be 6ft is the biggest burn so far.

[@Siciliano22]

Same I'm 5"11 too. But to some it just inflates the ego​@@samnotsung

[@Vocad]

@@samnotsung same here lol

[@landocin]

@@samnotsung not a problem with his height in itself, more so that he lies about it cuz 5'11 doesn't sound as good according to some emasculated manbabies

[@8lec_R]

Ha y'all small as funk I'm 175 🤭

[@farisakhtar4824]

​@@samnotsung why not just say 6ft? You will be 6ft in shoes, half an inch makes little difference anyway.

[@logan9189]

Jeff and his guy were impressively restrained. Respect. You’re lucky, Mike.

[@TheDarkLasombra]

Jeff can walk anywhere in that gym he wants regardless of what toddlers try to tell him he can't. Period.

[@user-wc1em7pc2p]

And if the intent is to "get clarity" on an obvious confrontation then it's his fault. Walk away, it's his ego that got him hemmed up.

[@Anon-qp3kt]

@@user-wc1em7pc2p look at the victim blamer everyone

[@ekie7473]

​@@user-wc1em7pc2p💀

[@joncastellano8545]

@@user-wc1em7pc2p Yes Sir! Great point. Every keyboard badass will disagree though. They all identify with Jeff

[@Gunde]

​@@user-wc1em7pc2pYes, and pretty girls are at fault for being raped, right? Moron

[@AwesomePC-l2i]

The whole situation is concerning, not just because Jeff was attacked, but because his friends and seems like a sizeable portion of the lifting community think that Jeff got what he deserved because he "poked the bear". His friends are also making him out to be the victim of cancel culture which is absurd. Interestingly there was an assault in the chess world recently where a 17 year old Grandmaster named Christopher Yoo assaulted a female videographer after he lost a chess match at the US Chess Championship. He was charged and rightly thrown out after the event. The very next day his father released a statement condemning the attack and taking full responsibility and apologizing (with Christopher himself writing his own apology later on). I urge people to read the apology and see how they took on responsibility for the attack. Some morons online even suggested that the female videographer instigated the attack, but the father immediately corrected it, and clarified it was unprovoked and his son is entirely to blame. The Chess community reaction is such a contrast to the Mike situation because he has yet to apologize and the people close to him are coddling him and making him out to be the victim of cancel culture. This is not just true for chess, if anyone did what Mike in a profession like Teacher/Engineer/Doctor/Lawyer, they would be kicked of the professional organization, banned from entering any event or facility associated with the profession and of course face criminal and civil repercussions. Bodybuilding and lifting community needs to do better, and make it clear that there is no room for people like Mike or anyone that supports his actions.

[@bigguy7353]

The "wOrDs HaVe CoNsEqUeNcEs" crowd is scary in their ability to justify physical attacks in response to words.

[@bigguy7353]

And the lifting community doesn't have to "do better", that's leftist drivel. This situation could happen anywhere..... including the chess world. This was a random event of which the geographic setting or their vocations are complete non factors.

[@georgeforeman1097]

Difference between lawyers and the lifting community is lawyers is a profession needing years of school.. the lifting community is for anyone and everyone who wants to lift weights.

[@danielboyd7810]

Well that's what you get when you mix a terrible cocktail of social media cultivating confirmation bias and sycophantic behavior, combined with a society that seemingly puts less stock in accountability and social responsibility to one another. Everyone just gets to live their own truth as long as there is someone out there who agrees with it

[@cx2900]

fouad's "cancel culture" take was the most misinformed pathetic cope about this whole sordid affair

[@the_artisan3392]

The people who say Jeff is at fault are just like Mike

[@georginawiman2706]

Oh thank goodness. I'd rather be like Mike than Jeff and I'm proud of it

[@Kikibrat2]

@@georginawiman2706 Rather be charged with assault and character in question over a short video? 😵‍💫

[@DavidVirtanen]

​@@Kikibrat2100% 💪🏻😏

[@Kybot12]

@@georginawiman2706an idiot asshole? Got it.

[@SMEbeats]

@@georginawiman2706rather be an insecure man who can’t control himself? Yeah ur weird bro

[@MarkBigley]

You’re 100% right bro. I’m a small dude though and I never judge yall big dudes. Some of yall are the most loving humans we got.

[@DrJJ-qk6jv]

I’m not sure why people suggest Jeff instigated it. Are you watching the video? Mike got in Jeff’s space first, while he was working out. There’s nothing to read into it that justifies Mike’s behavior.

[@hylianchriss]

Mike is obviously the main aggressor here, and the instigator. And physical violence like this is never acceptable, no matter what words were spoken. Jeff was assaulted, and the case should be a slam dunk. HOWEVER, Jeff conveniently edited out parts in his own video, and left out Mike had disengaged completely and was back to minding his own business. And Jeff then proceeded to walk over and call Mike back over, while clearly instructing his camera man to film what Mike does. Jeff is still in the right here, mind you. But he did intentionally or unintentionally escalate the situation by re-engaging with Mike, who clearly wasn't in a good mood. Violence like this is still never okay. But Jeff knows he escalated it, which is why he phrased the events differently in his Tweet, and why his video abruptly starts with Mike pushing him, even though they had clearly been filming quite a while already (filming workouts). In a court of law this is a slam dunk for Jeff. Mike absolutely needs to chill. But I lost a tiny bit of respect for Jeff in the process. I'm subscribed for his fitness content, his summary of studies and workout tips. I don't fully appreciate this drama

[@SapperRJMorgan]

Couldn’t agree more. John Bravo was wrong for saying Jeff was in the wrong.

[@nathangerrard9792]

jeff was wrong not as much as Mike was but he clearly wanted to instigate something and he CLEARLY lied about what happened

[@ctye85]

@@nathangerrard9792 Only one person broke the law on camera. Case closed.

[@elitetripod4188]

@@nathangerrard9792 Jeff was not wrong. Going up to someone and talking to them, even if they don't like you, is still perfectly reasonable behaviour. Yes Jeff's public statement wasn't 100% accurate, but you are speculating that he walked over to instigate something. Also after traumatic events people's recollection afterwards are often flawed. He may have been recounting it as he remembered it.

[@boossersgarage3239]

@@nathangerrard9792, FFS ur full of crap...

[@unluckygamer692]

@@nathangerrard9792 omg, this guy who got assaulted didn't explicitly mention 1 detail that doesn't even matter. He just got off the machine he was using and took 2 steps forward, hardly relevant to the story.

[@shocdoc64]

Mike was actively training someone at the time he assaulted Jeff, meaning he was at work and chose to publicly assault someone! The ONLY mitigating factor would be if Jeff was physically threatening him, or being aggressive, which is laughable given the size difference and the clear visuals of who the aggressor was. In no other reality besides Bizzarroworld would anyone try to justify Mike's behavior.

[@t10god]

thats the craziest part here. If my trainer started assaulting someone while they were working with me, I'd have to jump in and get physical to start defending someone! We're not training anymore, I'm protecting somebody from you! The hell?!

[@Connery007neckache]

I guess Mike couldn’t say I’m training someone now I can talk to you later when I’m finished. Him pushing Jeff was the better choice.

[@jamieganderton]

@shocdoc64 bugs get swatted my Beta bro

[@Average1212]

Due to the size difference there isn't a judge in canada that would consider Jeff an imminent threat to mike there is nothing Jeff could have said to mike that would allow mike to strike Jeff under canadian law. Long story short Mike is screwed, there is a high probability that even if Jeff doesn't press charges the crown will independently.

[@Casey-sl1bh]

Yeah how the hell did no one jump in?! I’m way smaller than this guy and Jeff ( in muscle not height) and I’d jump in to stop this idiot

[@nicholasvafiades636]

Very well said Mitchell, and thank you for this. I would say, this is the best summation/opinion of what happened.

[@stingrae789]

I'm shocked at the amount of people who said this was a case of FAFO. Those people need to learn some morals.

[@zekejones972]

Mike and his meat head militia

[@PinataOblongata]

Did you see Alex Bromley's vid on it? Absolutely beautiful commentary on those sorts of people, you'll love it if you haven't seen it.

[@comicbookguy591]

​@@PinataOblongatasaw it the other day, mic drop video on meatheads and how stupid that attitude is

[@bighutch2202]

Straight bully behavior and beyond unnecessary. Mike looked out of control to me.

[@peglegjohnson2377]

Those are typically the ones that like to bully, but can't actually fight a lick.

[@anthonybishop6199]

Okay from what I see -Mike walks past Jeff saying “sup” -Jeff chuckles -as Mike is walking away from Jeff, He turns around towards Jeff and looks like he speaks again and says “things are about to get real funny” as stated -Jeff is confused, wants to understand why Mike said that. Tells cameraman to turn on camera in case anything happens -Jeff walks over to Mike to ask “what do you mean by that?” ( this does not look like any act of aggression at this point or perhaps even instigation from Jeff to me. Just looks like he’s trying to talk.) - at this point, Mike walks over and pushes Jeff in the Throat a fair distance. Over seated row machine no less. - Jeff stands, Mike walks over to him aggressively, seemingly ready to attack again, Jeff puts his hands up, signaling he wants no conflict, as his camera man and other gym goers approach, in order to de-escalate the situation I assume After allegedly Mike tells Jeff to leave him alone, he pushes Jeff again, this time Jeff doesn’t fall because he’s prepared to get pushed -Mike begins to leave, aggressively brushing against camera man, camera man bumps into a machine. From what can be seen, it can be said that Jeff is being truthful aside from him actively walking towards Mike to ask him a question. As much as this should’ve been mentioned, it doesn’t excuse Mike’s behavior in the slightest. In the total of the situation as presented to us, it is a rather small detail. I’m not suprised that supporters of Mike tried using this detail to declare Jeff the instigator. How sad.

[@arianopoien]

Agree

[@xavierb9061]

He is instigator, why he only released starting frommthe shove, when youwhole thing is recorded. He watch video and was like, nope cut that, cut that, yup start there

[@SOC-ir6im]

lol and for days Mike thought he had him…making all these sly comments on instagram saying ‘things are not what they appear’ and ‘just wait the truth will come out’ he was referring all along to Jeff taking a few steps toward him 😂 what a 🤡

[@wrongwayup.]

Usually you move a bit in the direction of a person you are trying to talk to when you are at a distance. Very normal behavior. You're not gonna yell at someone across a gym from 20 or 30 feet. People who do are annoying dicks.

[@clanholmes]

True, but Jeff knew he was pissed off and should have known better to engage him at that moment. Again Jeff was not wrong, but should have read the situation better.

[@flyoverbassin8959]

“It’s about to become real funny “= Mike was planning to assault Jeff prior to Jeff walking toward him.

[@Not_Even_Wrong]

Means it was premeditated, this guy could go to jail for a while, really hope Jeff presses charges...

[@hooktraining3966]

absolutely premeditated and absolutely legally categorized as "fighting words"

[@Kipchoge475]

Exactly.

[@vaugr1917]

Nope.... It was a response to Jeff's condescending giggle..

[@GlacialScion]

​@@vaugr1917How exactly does that change anything?

[@monkeydjaime]

Man, you are starting to become one of my favorite people in the fitness world. I 100% know who will I be supporting on the next Strongman event.

[@markpommett5712]

Law is on Jeff's side. Case closed.

[@Barbarosse19]

But he did lie about what happened, though 🤷 Edit: i had to write this cause, apparently too many slow people out here... m not saying that this Mike guy didn't break the law i was simply pointing out that jeff lied about what happened... now if me saying this got you upset to the point where to insult a stranger... maybe you're the problem here, not me.

[@nikhilbhagat7685]

@@Barbarosse19 idk what he said but could you please tellme ?

[@diegodv2256]

@@Barbarosse19 no he didn't

[@Barbarosse19]

@nikhilbhagat7685 just go and watch the previous video mitch made and read what jeff said happened ... I'm not defending this Mike guy... i just don't like people who act like Taylor Swift... you know that whole innocent girl routine.

[@Barbarosse19]

@diegodv2256 ok buddy, I'm not going to argue with some stranger abt 2 grown ass men acting like lil girls

[@msj7872]

I was at a party when a woman tripped on the edge of her dress, fell and hit the edge of a coffee table. You could tell instantly that she wouldn't survive. She actually died instantly. This could have been way worse. Mike is lucky he isn't in more trouble than he is.

[@grahamanderson7717]

I agree! If anything The full cctv video confirms Mike Vanwick as in the wrong. As a police officer with over 20 years experience I can tell you the cctv coverage is excellent evidence to prove the two counts of assault charged to Mike Vanwick. I’ve taken many statements where victims and witnesses have subtle difference than what a video shows. I believe any deviation from truth by Jeff (took a couple steps towards Vanwick) is not intentional. Let’s all remember Nippard had even invited the full video to be released .

[@sukmidri]

Why doesn't Jeff release the video his friend was recording of him approaching and speaking to Mike then? Curious as to what he was saying

[@Witcherworks]

​@@sukmidriYou sound like a person trying to find evidence in Mikes favor. You are the problem.

[@cainsalem3544]

@sukmidri he could’ve called the biggest pussy ever that doesn’t justify grounds of throat chopping someone twice and shoving their camera man, don’t gaf what you sociopathic meat heads think it won’t hold up in court.

[@f3n1xplat3ad0]

​@@sukmidriMike is the aggressor. Nothing there to look. Roid rage is a thing. Nothing excuses Mike to jabs him in the throat.

[@MdSteel7]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@AaronRobinProductions]

Exactly. There’s zero reason to get violent at the gym. Especially over a training disagreement.

[@bobbydavis4144]

The angle really does make this look damning at 3:45 when he pushes him. A lot of people made the comment Jeff was over exaggerating the push for the internet, but this is the first angle I've seen that seated row bench visible. Dude could have cracked his head on the floor or even the bar attachment tree.

[@HermanaSilencio]

By mere luck he didn't fk his neck, back, arms or head against the floor or even the metal stand. It's amazing how unhinged the big dude was....Jesus lord man control yourself.

[@stephenm707]

Mike literally does walk over to jeff and immediately jab him in the throat so no Jeffs account wasn't inaccurate.

[@TheMasterblah]

The only inaccuracy is that Jeff didn't specifically mention that he initially made a few steps towards Mike. Which is so miniscule that it doesn't really matter. Despite that psychos are going to use that as a gotcha against Jeff

[@unluckygamer692]

@@TheMasterblah Jeff mentions this: "Mike said “oh things are about to get real funny” as he walked past me. I then asked him “what did you mean by that?” and I made sure my camera man was filming in case he tried any funny business. Then he walked back toward me, he said “turn the camera off” and immediately jabbed me in the throat and I fell onto the floor. " He didn't explicitly mention that he walked over, but he did mention that he asked him something. Also Jeff kept a respectable distance, Mike did not. Such a small detail is easy to forget in the heat of the moment.

[@kurtwpg]

@@TheMasterblah The silver lining is that some of the filth in the fitness community volunteered to go down with Mike's ship.

[@TheMasterblah]

@@unluckygamer692 Yeah, I agree that its such an irrelevant detail when adrenaline and stress are involved in a situation.

[@TheMasterblah]

@@kurtwpg It's crazy that people will ignore reality to support "their guy"

[@jessejordan8116]

Correct. Since Jeff only walked halfway over and didn’t approach Mike or enter his personal space Mike cannot argue his actions were preemptive self defence.

[@heidiiiiiiii]

Mike's has clearly never hashed anything out with someone smaller than him. Just goes straight to assault.

[@silencelikethewindovertake2629]

What a great and level headed take on the situation. There were so many ways for Jeff to have been injured with so many machines, cables and bar around.

[@Kushgroove234]

Mitch, mike did walk over to Jeff. Jeff walked half the distance between them, and mike closed that distance and immediately assaulted him without breaking his stride

[@minn5459]

Hoopering my mitchell to this video rn

[@vitamincpluszink7717]

Bruh

[@OGPhoenixHero]

same W

[@ryanpolesdumbdick]

😳😳😳

[@_Error__]

Harder than last time!

[@ryanpolesdumbdick]

@@_Error__ giggity

[@bucko3353]

best analysis so far, it seems everyone else lacks critical thinking, so i appreciate your rational analysis. however there are still a couple things i felt you missed or overlooked. Firstly was the stare and crowding of personal space which Mike did in the beginning, he very much crowded him in such a way that if Jeff were to curl his biceps at the moment he wouldn't have been able to due to Mikes close presence, and the stare was very threatening and aggressive, bully like really. This is the sort of behaviour which gets worse with time and is likely not the first time Mike has done this to Jeff. The purpose of this behaviour is to make the other person feel scared, stressed, anxious and more, it is very malicious and is the basis for bullying. Now what does Jeff do? he smiles and laughs, partially a nervous laugh but also an indication to Mike that he isn't as afraid as Mike wants him to be, to which Mike then replies with a veiled threat, and instead of ignoring it and letting Mike get away with the blatantly aggressive and nasty behaviour Jeff confronts him, as you should do to a bully, and how does Mike respond? with extreme aggression, outright assault, the sort of assault that could cause serious damage if done to a weaker man (throat strikes are extremely dangerous). So what do we have? a bully who threatens men much smaller than himself, who when not taken seriously threatens violence and when confronted for the threat gets immediately violent. This footage has only further cemented my feelings about Mike. Also the act of defiance by the cameraman at the end of not moving out the way is also a part of the subtle social play going on, it is an indication to Mike that he is willing to buttheads with him and that he won't be a victim. Of course none of these men are likely consciously aware of these social cues and plays, but they undoubtedly recognise it on a more animalistic level, as all humans do. Also anyone who defends Mike and says Jeff instigated was likely a bully in school and is defending Mike as a sort of projection of defending their own bad behaviour, even if they are unaware.

[@videomagic88]

This is the most accurate read on this whole situation. Excellent write up.

[@Guitareben]

Perfect analysis

[@2adamast]

Jeff was getting footage of himself in a public space when the free background moved in too close. Then he went for everyone is against me footage as it is also part of his content and got it. A real pro.

[@mei-tb6og]

Very simple, words don't warrant physical assault. It's very clear especially in Canadian law. Jeff has every right to press charges and should. Control yourself.

[@lushpapaya9932]

Jeff is such a chill dude. There is no excuse for Mikes assault.

[@ssaini5028]

F around and find out tho, he smirked and put the camera in Mike's face

[@Damian_Materowski]

@ssaini5028 oh, I found another one moron, who tries to find justification for Mike's attack. Or you are one of Mike's accounts? 😅

[@nostalgiagaming2326]

@@ssaini5028 Even if that was his intention. It's no reason to assault someone, and potentially injure them. Idk why so many people believe assault is justified to some degree. L take my guy.

[@staszewaM]

@@ssaini5028 I pity and feel worried for all kids, animals and elderly who might have accidentally smirked in your vacinity, may their souls be at peace. I would also say that potentially going to jail for assaulting someone who didn't start a fight and wasn't threatening/a danger in the slightest, is much more of a 'f around and find out' and that actions do have consequences. You are not a man if you attack people for smirking or even saying rude shite, you are a man if you have enough brains, morals and impulse control to leave them alone.

[@MinukSenanayake]

​@@ssaini5028damn man How old are you? 13?😂

[@MixedMartialHelp]

Mike absolutely juiced to the gills: WHY SCIENCE MAN NOT BIG LIKE ME

[@defdaz]

Don't give up your day job, bro.

[@TheLegendaryBM]

lmfao

[@ZTRCTGuy]

This is straight up battery and Jeff has a case here.

[@erinodonnell386]

Honestly, for me it boils down to a simple lesson we all learned in kindergarten “don’t hit people, use your words”. The only time physical violence is justified is if you fear for your physical safety. And Mike definitely did not. He had no reason to. You don’t get to hit people because they’re annoying. You don’t get to hit people because they’re frustrating. You don’t get to hit people because you want them to go away. You disengage from the situation yourself (walk away) and/or use your words. Like an adult.

[@Mr.Creosote15]

These are the actions of a bully, and I understand that you're supposed to have your friends back, but those who argue for Mike are bullies as well in my mind.

[@4everB2]

Bullies support each other (as long as their agenda's don't cross). Basic sociology.

[@XegaZero]

I think the fact Mike appeared in Jeff's blindside with a bar in his hand after presumably saying "Things are about to get real funny" make it more understandable why Jeff walked toward him to clarify what he meant by that.

[@sukmidri]

If you need clarification you need to walk around with a helmet on

[@hashcrash9729]

@@sukmidri so you just let people threaten you with metal bars, or do you move out of town when someone bullies you? or are you a bully, just like mike?

[@colinmurphy3478]

Even when Jeff "approached Mike", he stopped at the cable rowing machine, which was like around 10 feet away from Mike (nowhere near one's "personal space"). Mike then walked towards Jeff to close the distance and throat push him. Jeff's account was truthful because he said he went to ask Mike, the instigator, what he meant by his "things are about to get real funny" comment. This isn't hard to break down folks, and it's painful to see reactions (that are even on Jeff's side) unable to properly break down the footage.

[@meggsmuss]

When the world’s strongest man talks sense. We should listen. Love from Australia 👍

[@jamesbecker8041]

He never said mike came over until after jeff said he called out to ask him what does that mean, he said he asked mike what does that mean. He said mike approached him first, which as you can see in the video, he did as he walked past him and talked to him. heres the quote "Mike said “oh things are about to get real funny” as he walked past me. I then asked him “what did you mean by that?” and I made sure my camera man was filming in case he tried any funny business. Then he walked back toward me, he said “turn the camera off” and immediately jabbed me in the throat and I fell onto the floor. " You see in the video this did happen, after he was asked he walked back toward jeff like you said.

[@heidiiiiiiii]

I can't fathom how people are missing all this. Jeff seems to be a hash things out kind of guy. Mike was talking shit so Jeff wants to talk. So much of society says "fuck talking things out, assault".

[@MrSpwn]

The thing people forget is that it's much easier to sit down and analyze from an arm chair where you can see the entire context of the situation vs when you're in the situation making a recount of it. When you are recounting what happened, there can be small details you forget about in the moment of making a statement. People also forget that semantics is a thing and when Jeff describes Mike as "walking over to him", he could be referring to the fact that Mike did in fact walk over to him to close the distance as Jeff had not yet made it all the way over to Mike and now we are just playing semantics. Jeff also did say that he did reply to Mike for clarification of what he meant, that part was not left out of his statement. Jeff is right, Mike is wrong, that's all there is to it. Blaming Jeff for anything is like blaming someone for their car being stolen because it was parked in their driveway and not in their garage... it's just dumb.

[@Cameron-xz6om]

Lmao this is even worse for Mike

[@rickkirkman6940]

“It changes absolutely nothing.” Period, full stop. You are absolutely correct sir.

[@markpozsar5785]

Dude I don't even care. Jeff could have called Mickey a regard, that still wouldn't have given him a right to touch anyone. His coward bald head needs to be in jail. Btw they whine about cancel culture, when they cannot even handle a polite expression of freedom of speech by Jeff.

[@aesop2733]

If you don't understand the concept of "fighting words" then you should stay at home and figure out how to use tampons.

[@PMTCards]

Eh this lacks common sense. Mike was wrong.. but you’re also 100% wrong in real life.. you can’t just go around talking shit to people and think you have that right.. freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences.. there’s plenty of “words” that can be said that deserve a physical reaction. Nobody is saying Jeff said anything to warrant a physical altercation.. but your response is idiotic going waaay too far to try and defend a random guy on the internet

[@chryzos3091]

@@PMTCards Freedom of speech does mean freedom from physical consequences. Yes.

[@markpozsar5785]

​@@PMTCardsidk where you are from buddy boy, maybe some 3rd world mess, but we have freedom of speech here. My response is principled and this should be and is upheld by the law for a good reason. You cannot go around and assault people you dislike or disagree with.

[@majungasaurusaaaa]

@@PMTCards No words deserve a physical reaction. You can't lay your hands on verbally annoying people. People have the freedom of speech to insult your mum and not get hit. You may be able to press charges on hate speech at best. That day and age where you can pop some annoying twat in the mouth is long gone.

[@keenanvil]

The CCTV video changed nothing. Jeff used his words like a big boy, and Mike acted like a child.

[@hammeddenlange0931]

Love your take on it. Personally, I would have asked Mike what he meant, which is most likely what Jeff did as well. Most sane people would try to have a conversation, as "it's about to get real funny" can definetely sound like a underhanded threat. Even that kind of comment doesn't really have any place in the gym, and given that Jeff uses this gym all the time, it's reasonable to expect him to want to clear the air, perhaps to actually avoid having this weird tension of a 250 pound gang-member look-a-like hating on you on instagram, without expecting to be assaulted. It doesn't change my personal view on this, Mike is way out of line and rightfully charged with assault. To me, this whole situation seems like it's been brewing for some time. Mike has clearly had it out for what he calls "the science based lifters" for a long time, and given that he used the same gym as Jeff, it's pretty clear most of it has been directed at Jeff. I think this was just an excuse for him to harm Jeff, if not this situation, we would have had another one at some point.

[@heidiiiiiiii]

Seriously. Society says fuck it, people don't hash out things, just straight to assault.

[@michaelstapleton2768]

The point is, regardless assaulting someone is obviously wrong and criminal.

[@twistedstrength.]

I agree with everything you just said. Jeff's recollection was close enough. Mike was in the wrong here; in a criminal way, in a cowardly was, in every way, Mike was in the wrong. Don't put your f&cking hands on people. End of story. I don't even care if Jeff was talking sh&t (which he wasn't. Jeff never said Mike's name in his video and could not have possibly been more respectful or neutral. He is as harmless as a mouse and I guarantee he would not have been talking smack.) Mike essentially throat slammed a child because he finally had a chance to have a physical altercation he was gauranteed to win and he pounced on it...and he still did it when Jeff was unprepaired..and he even pushed him over that bench. This wasn't some normal shove. This was someone trying to throw somebody into objects in a malicious way so that they could be hurt. Jeff is just small and short and light so he was OK. If this happened to someone bigger, they could be all twisted up from that fall. I would rather have someone my size punch me in the face than shove me over a bench and have my head possibly bashed on some racking or the floor. This was way, way, way too far for Mike to go for anything. He jumped straight to level 100 with his assault. People who downplay it just don't understand violence and surroundings, and what can hurt full-grown men who fall in jobsites and what not. They are used to teenagers having schoolyard fights and coming out fine all the time. That's not what happens when adults fall. Just because Mike didn't try to murder him with a weapon or smash him in the face with a haymaker doesn't make this in any way OK or not an assault.

[@alejandrobrown1499]

I read it and agree but ples make it a Lil 🤏 shorter.

[@twistedstrength.]

@@alejandrobrown1499Never! Just kidding. Thanks

[@notcorrect]

He is so delicate that a disagreement over the best way to lift caused him to assult a pacifist.

[@calebstevenson2199]

Jeff's not a pacifist. He's small so he is not going to pick physical fights. But guy supports Hasan Piker, a communist who advocates for political violence.

[@jasonoak4564]

Great people in that gym, everyone just ignores it after Jeff goes flying.

[@io-rj6sk]

1 dude does go up

[@uuu817]

@@io-rj6skand does absolutely nothing goober

[@HowardsCat]

Bystander effect. You wouldn't have done anything either.

[@io-rj6sk]

@@uuu817 if mike started throwing fists at jeff im sure he woulda try de escalate

[@anejr2556]

But what will you actually do? It is best in situations like this that you don't do anything unless it's really necessary. Should anyone have went to stand between them and risk getting hurt by Mike as well? I don't think so, it would just escalate the situtation and anyone else could have been hurt more badly.

[@Beeker0420]

The law is clear. Battery = involves intentionally or recklessly inflicting unlawful force on someone. Battery requires physical contact, such as punching, kicking, or pushing. The victim doesn't need to be seriously injured for it to count as battery.

[@Dredan143]

It's crazy to me that people are trying to act like Jeff was in the wrong.

[@thomasrosendahl2783]

@@Dredan143 No, Mike was correct in defending himself from Jeff the wimp.

[@Dredan143]

@@thomasrosendahl2783 Is this just a lame troll? "Defending himself" from what? Big scary questions like "What do you mean by that?"

[@thomasrosendahl2783]

@@Dredan143 Jeff also boasted online about how he won several natural bodybuilding shows a few days before the incident. It was a response to Mikes video about a natural physique vs enhanced. Jeff wanted a fight, and he got it.

[@Dredan143]

@@thomasrosendahl2783 So disproving someone's incorrect claims that science based lifters are small and weak by pointing out you've literally won competitions proving the opposite is "boasting" and "wanting a fight"... Are you ok there bud? If you need to physically assault someone because they proved you wrong you're a weak man. He didn't "defend" himself. He assaulted someone because he got his feelings hurt for being proven wrong.

[@CommentTsar]

@@thomasrosendahl2783 Let's break this down logically. Jeff's online comments about winning natural bodybuilding shows were well within his rights and not grounds for assault. Expressing pride in his accomplishments and sharing thoughts on natural vs. enhanced physiques don’t constitute a provocation for physical violence. The CCTV footage clearly shows that Mike initiated the confrontation and assaulted Jeff without cause. So, let’s not twist things around-Jeff's words and achievements don’t justify Mike’s actions. Maybe take a step back, quit trolling, and have your mom make you some pizza rolls. And while you're at it, stay off the internet without her permission.

[@philosophyandhappiness2001]

8:45 😂😂😂😂 mitch is just daring Mike to try something at this point

[@davideberhardt1361]

Changes nothing, no excuse to escalate

[@burtbakerack1110]

The sad reality is that every gym I’ve ever been to has several guys who think like Mike even if they don’t fully act it out. They make the gym uncomfortable for everyone else and it’s partly why I built a small home gym.

[@davidk6269]

1:57 Jeff left about 10 RIR on that set. Cue Greg Doucette: "You need to train harder than last time!" Cookbook!

[@au-ve7ru]

Jeff probably took two pills of Turk Builder that day

[@TheDarkSkorpion]

Turk Builder! For the ultimate gains...of my bank account!

[@au-ve7ru]

@@TheDarkSkorpion Angry child voice: I challenge Derek from more dates to test his turk against mine

[@devadasn]

It’s crazy the people that all of a sudden think Jeff is at fault somehow because Jeff walked up to him. As if that warrants an attack. Just think logically, anyone who says something to you and you ask to clarify deserves an attack? Oh brother

[@idmidm-yd7pv]

disagree with approch part, mike apporch first when he was in cable machine, why u are not counting that? as the first one to approch

[@alejandrobrown1499]

Yeah he didn't brush him but came close ( too close mōn 😂) plus Mike had all that space to go around.

[@idmidm-yd7pv]

@@alejandrobrown1499 yeah😂

[@24usmcr]

Totally agree with your take on the incident. I'm 6'3 and 235lbs and I'm always careful not to appear threatenig or intimidating. It makes it easier to have good relationships and, subsequently, a good time in life.

[@brutebiz82]

I work out in my personal home gym located in my basement. After watching this video, I think I'll just continue working out in my basement.

[@eroktartonga4032]

When someone's confidence and character weighs nothing compared to the weights he works out. The goal of a True Sports Man is to be the Gentleman.

[@Decultified]

Jeff should press charges. Mike is a danger to everyone smaller than him.

[@Connery007neckache]

Mike’s ego is the biggest danger to him.

[@simply11believelane47]

Not everyone....but I get ur point😂

[@brett9382]

​@simply11believelane47 if he attacked someone over saying saying natural weight lifters are smaller because they typically don't take gear, he 100% is a danger to everyone. If that made him assault someone Imagine what would happen if he got in a road rage incident

[@TheBlueCon]

I'm only 5'4" myself and really brings a different perspective when you're physically looking up at the person that is aggressive towards you.

[@coybackus7665]

6:40 in "Little" Mike's case some would say it's kind of wimpy to completely stand down when confronted by someone your own size, such as the case where Joey "Big Stacks" completely checked him at his booth (where he proceeded to fold like cheap catering chairs).

[@BreachSheff]

If you can't go and have a conversation with someone at the gym without being attacked, even if it's something which could be a debate because you disagree on things then there's something very wrong with what people deem acceptable at the gym. That's like me attacking someone who does Hyrox training all because I don't like it, or someone attacking how I train because it's completely different to how they train. I know some people say they train religiously at the gym but that doesn't mean go enact the crusades at the gym to take out all the naysayers of your training style

[@James-qw7cr]

@@BreachSheff I’m pretty sure this goes deeper than what we see on the surface , because I completely agree with your comment.. there’s is something personal that we don’t know about

[@BreachSheff]

​@@James-qw7cr tbh I suspect it's a matter of roid rage where Mike was offended that Jeff dared make a video response (even a respectful one) rather than staying silent, as Mike is most likely used to being a bully who doesn't get challenged. I obviously could be way off the mark there but that's how it seems to me from the outset

[@James-qw7cr]

@@BreachSheff it’s possible but if you suspect roid rage all the more reason to just leave it alone

[@James-qw7cr]

@@ACapedBaldy does Mike really strike you as a non aggressive nice guy ?

[@PhilomenaMerritt-e5e]

This just made my day better!

[@arjentegels6660]

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[@danthegraniteman4702]

this is great to hear from a big man. complete respect to you

[@deeplearning7097]

Nice one, Mitchell. Spoken like a true champion.

[@DaLordIsBack1]

Thanks, Mitch. You're by far my favorite overweight news reporter!

[@Kipchoge475]

Overweight?🤨

[@harrymawdesley8343]

Where is Jordan Peterson and why isn’t he explaining how this is the Kane and Able story ?

[@mitchellirvin5889]

Cain and Abel my guy

[@Connery007neckache]

I could picture him actually stammering and being very analytical about this video for half an hour.