Cebuano Grammar for Beginners - ANG, UG and SA

[@ozzo870]

Its best practice to separate "og" and "ug" when writing in Cebuano. "og" is usually the non-sepcific object marker, whereas "ug" is 'and'. Its not a set in stone rule, but this is much more common than seeing 'ug' as the non-specific object marker which for some reason the examples provided uses.

[@nicktakasa4526]

Yeah, am bisaya from Mindanao and I write them separately. Og and ug, but most bisaya native and non native speaker ( never learned bisaya in school or properly) spell them as ug

[@antares9353]

Nice, someone said that in the comments

[@CheyenneAnastacia]

i think its unnecessary. i mean we dont really separate the phonetics of o & u in cebuano. inum and inom are the same as much as og and ug. i think if we respect that non-distinction, we can understand our language better.

[@ozzo870]

@@CheyenneAnastacia its not necessary. But it makes things more convenient and uniform. When I was first learning Bisaya learning the difference between "ug" and "og" was very hard when their spellings are interchangable

[@dofbm]

This is my greatest obstacle in learning bahasa. Im so used to these connectors that its hard for me to process bahasa which simplifies everything. Without these words, I feel like (as a native speaker) the sentences would not offer clarity and will cause confusion. If words are islands, these ug- ang-sa, to me, are like bridges that connects those islands and give order to them.

[@languagestolearn8155]

Yes I have heard similar stories from other Filipinos learning Malay / Indonesian :)

[@joselitofilipino9618]

Yo fr, I’ve been dabbling in learning basic Indonesian, and what caught my attention is the “simplistic” structure of the sentences (not saying Bahasa Indonesia is easy to learn). I’m a native speaker of Tagalog and Bicolano (Buhi’non dialect can’t speak Central Bicolano which is what most people refer to when saying Bicolano), both languages use a more complex use of articles like Cebuano. In my dialect of Bicolano we use: ana (ang in Filipino), ag (at in Filipino), nin (ng in Filipino), sa (sa in Filipino) and when I tried learning Indonesian, the sentences sounded like how a child would construct their sentences. It felt like something was missing even though the sentence grammatically correct. (This is just my opinion, I don’t mean to offend Malay and Indonesian speakers😅) Here’s an example of a sentence: English: The apple on the table is red. Indonesian: Apel di atas meja berwarna merah. Filipino: Ang mansanas sa mesa ay kulay pula. Buhi’non: Ana mansanas adto sa mesa ay pula. Without the use of ang in both Filipino and Buhi’non, I would understand but it just sounds off.

[@mountainrock7682]

Cebuano Case Markers Nominative General • ang - definite • ing/-y - indefinite Nominative Personal • si - singular • sila - plural Genitive General • sa - definite • og - indefinite Genitive Personal • kang - preposed singular • ka(nila) - preposed plural • ni - postposed plural • nila - postposed plural Oblique General • sa - definite • og - indefinite Oblique Personal • kang - preposed singular • ka(nila) - preposed plural Locational • sa - definite • og - indefninite Temporal • sa Yep, we have a lot of "sa"s.

[@languagestolearn8155]

That's interesting! Do speakers stil use "ing" / "'y" for the nominative indefinite? I usually see "'y" a lot in texts but rarely "ing". Also with the locative, is "og/ug" still commonly used as the indefinite locative? For example, does "Muadto ko og/ug eskwelahan" sound natural to you? I think I've seen "Muadto ko og/ug Maynila" (please correct me if I'm wrong). Maraming Salamat / Salamat kaayo :)

[@mountainrock7682]

@@languagestolearn8155 "Ing" is now obsolete. The "-y" suffix is its surviving form. But at the beginning of the clause, since you cannot use a suffix, "ang" is used and "usa ka ____" (one + numerical marker + *noun*) is followed by it. As for the locative, yes. Although many people today use "og" or "sa" as the ultimate locative marker, not following a distinction anymore. Muadto ko sa tindahan. I will go to the store. Muadto ko og tindahan. I will go to a store.

[@languagestolearn8155]

@@mountainrock7682 that's very interesting, thank you!

[@epochseven4197]

For those who aren't used to linguistic terms, I'm having trouble understanding what "nominative", "oblique", and "genitive" means.

[@J11_boohoo]

Makapagreserba ya’ ka table? (Isnag language)

[@seid3366]

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[@iMacxXuserXx485]

So this is a way that Cebuano is different from Tagalog, because in Tagalog there's no definite or indefinite marker. There's just a marker for whether the thing is the focus or not. Ang = the thing is the focus of the sentence Ng = the thing is not the focus. Whoever is doing an action to the thing is the focus.

[@darkkestrel1]

I love your content but I feel like this video falls short on explanation and is a lot too simplistic. It doesn't discuss the symmetrical voice/Philippine-type voice system/Austronesian alignment (I know you have a very good video about that), and it doesn't discuss a very important role of "sa" which is a possessive marker, e.g. "Ang pagkaon sa iro" (the dog's food), which is quite different from Tagalog in which the ergative marker (well, if we take the ergative-absolutive approach on PH langs which I'm not totally convinced by but anyway) is the same as the possessive and not the locative marker. Anyway, I know this is a sponsored video and not so much a linguistic explanation, but I was hoping for a bit more (maybe you've set the standard high haha). Again, I usually love your content, I was just hoping this would answer some questions I have re Cebuano as a "semi-speaker" of the language

[@languagestolearn8155]

Oh you're not wrong, I'm just working with what's available on the uTalk app which is meant for travellers and beginners. I'm currently creating more detailed videos on grammar :)

[@darkkestrel1]

@@languagestolearn8155 good to know :)) I'm looking forwards to those!

[@J11_boohoo]

Hello hello

[@Danetto]

how many languages do u speak?