Celebrity Stalking and Erotomanic Delusions | Christina Grimmie and Kevin Loibl Case Analysis

This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Christina Grimmie and Kevin James Loibl?
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[@matthewrocca4197]

This case always makes me so deeply sad. Seemed like such a genuinely kind, empathetic person and someone who truly was passionate about her art rather than about just being a celebrity. This is pretty rare, especially for such a young person today. She was even kind enough to want to talk to and embrace Kevin before he shot her, where everyone else wanted to avoid him. So deeply sad

[@waynepolo6193]

@Krzysiek Mazanek that seems like oversimplifying the thing that you’re advising not to oversimplify.

[@CR-ru1kw]

So true😣💔😔💔.

[@4bibimimi]

She was a pure soul. Taken too soon.

[@beccac6812]

Also, the fact that he walked in there with a gun infuriates me. They should never ever be tamest reckless with anyones safety

[@casedistorted]

It is sad when someone tries to give another person a chance because they’re a normal person who hasn’t been ruined by our society, only for that other person to already have been ruined (or f’d up from birth) and has to kill them too. I hate our society it’s just too big and out of touch now

[@mamacito1795]

This kind of case is so sad. She was literally just living her life. Didnt know the guy, wasn't wrong place wrong time, literally just going about her business when she was hunted down and killed. Its scary and tragic.

[@teijaflink2226]

And she wasn't even judging or rejecting him but wanted to hug him when he so violently murdered her.

[@SeatLeonMK2]

he didn’t hate her he wanted to claim her soul he said

[@genievemcdonald9744]

I had an aggressive stalker many years ago. The police could do nothing. Eventually, I moved away and he turned his attention to a Cracker Barrel waitress. After the waitress's boyfriend confronted the stalker, the stalker went home and returned the next night. He shot and killed the waitress and seriously injured her boyfriend (head wound) when she was being picked up at the end of her shift. Scared me when I heard what had happened.

[@miss_bougie6653]

It’s so disturbing that the police don’t take stalking more seriously countless stories of these cases ending in homicide. If someone shows that type of anti-social behaviour they should be more precautions taken, at the very least involuntary inpatient treatment.

[@janinemccartha1811]

Hi Dr. Grande. This case is very disturbing because she could have avoided this entire situation if she would've known to begin with that he had a mental problem. It takes alot of patience & understanding to avoid people like this in your life, especially if you're famous. I can't understand how anyone can be that obsessed with someone when there are so many people in this world that are not famous that are just as beautiful and are talented in life skills which are just as important as being famous. Love your channel, thanks for another good analysis, peace, love, Janine Smiley😀🙂😎🤩😍🆒️☕🍩☕🎂☕🍪☕🥧🍧🍨🍦🍫🍰🍯✌💜👞👠👟👡📿💄💎💍

[@wiffley]

That's scary and tragic. I also had a very disturbing stalker and moved to another state where he couldn't trace me.

[@eriknervik9003]

@@janinemccartha1811 Why would she know his mental health history? He was some guy that just bought a ticket to a concert she was performing at. It’s not realistic to expect a musical performer to have intimate knowledge of everybody who wants to come see her perform it.

[@christystewart4567]

@@miss_bougie6653 it’s not that the police don’t take it seriously. Or I should say as a whole, some don’t. There is only so much they can do under the law. In the case of Rebecca Shaffer who was murdered by a crazed fan on her doorstep he got her address through the DMV. It’s now illegal to just give out that information. But at the time of her murder anyone could access addresses this way. So the laws have to change first.

[@kmdn1]

Remember when the media gave Avril Lavigne so much flack about not allowing a random male fan to hug her? The media claimed she was "mean" and allowing fans to take pictures with you and get a hug just "comes with the territory." I don't like her music but I admired that she stood by her boundaries and wouldn't be pressured into interactions with fans that she wasn't comfortable with. After things like this happen, it's no wonder why a young female celebrity wouldn't feel comfortable with total strangers to her coming up and wanting close contact or physical contact. No one would give Avril Lavigne any shit for that in today's world! they'd be commending her for being a good influence for young female fans

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

The fact that he killed her while she was trying to give him a hug makes this hella sadder. 😔

[@colico14]

Absolutely horrible. We feel so helpless too. We want to be able to place protective shields around people like Christina, but of course cannot. Deeply tragic loss. RIP Christina. I'm sorry the world failed you. You didn't deserve it. Thank you for sharing your gift with us.

[@hicknopunk]

That's not cool at all. It's like praising a dog and slapping it at the same time. I am hesitant to hug, I would have to take the person with me for the audacity of stabbing me during a hug. There are some great videos on YT of large animals stalking people who injured them, but didn't kill them. I always have to side with the animal in these cases. Just because a human sees themself as superior, does not mean they have a greater right to live.

[@aaronbirook4367]

Yes humans have a greater right to live than animals and non humans.

[@hicknopunk]

@@aaronbirook4367 i disagree. We are just another animal. We got really lucky and have thumbs.

[@aaronbirook4367]

@@hicknopunk No, you are wrong, Human beings are made in the image of God. Stop believing the liberal media.

[@Pailers]

I absolutely cannot imagine the trauma of witnessing this incident in person as a fan, let alone as her brother. It's a heartbreaking case.

[@christinagrimmiewasanactiv1847]

.....it never happened.

[@Zombina638]

@@christinagrimmiewasanactiv1847it did

[@quicktastic]

For any other dude that has a crush on a celebrity, going to a show and actually having the opportunity to say hi and get a hug from her would be a lifelong pleasant memory. This psycho actually got that chance and took her life instead. smh

[@SCIFIguy64]

There’s something deeply concerning about having a crush on a celebrity. It’s one thing to find them attractive and to want to meet them, it’s another if you consider a possibility to be with them.

[@transatlanticnostalgia4655]

​@Joseph Stassup I mean, I think everyone who has a crush on a celebrity considers the possibility of being with them. It's just that there is a difference between a crush and an unhealthy obsession, like this guy had. You (as in "someone") can entertain the possibility of being with them, and you can even use that as a motivation for self improvement. At the same time, though, you must remain grounded in reality. You must remember that, while you can actually get the chance to meet your celebrity crush (through things like meet & greets) the chance that you will become romantically involved, or even just friends, is 0.000000000001 in a million. And you must realize that this is ABSOLUTELY OKAY, and that there are other fish in the sea. Wanting to be with your celebrity crush is a common feeling. But considering them your eternal soulmate and having the "If I can't have them, no one can" mentality is not.

[@timothygary1]

"The points of the show [The Voice] is to shatter the dreams of the singing competitors, and promote the sales of power rotating chairs." I do appreciate your humor when covering a horrible senseless tragedy.

[@amyrussell860]

Not just covering this tragic situation, Dr. Grande doesn't miss on them commentary about these shows. He's right. Most if us prefer manual rotating chairs.

[@matthewfors114]

@@amyrussell860 and we do love watching the shattering of dreams :)

[@sariedixon8965]

dr grande has had some zingers!

[@peachy_lili]

I can't speak for her 100% but I feel like Christina would have laughed at the 'sandwich nonsense' joke.

[@johnlopez9014]

Man, the guy went through a whole physical transformation, hair plugs, lost weight n eye surgery…. He could had use that to try to actually pursue a real relationship 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@jjohnsengraciesmom]

@@vermilliongecko yes but that could be developed with practice

[@steverino2047]

Yeah but he only did that for HER

[@skillzsquar3dgaming]

Yeah all these crazy mfers don’t know how to love that’s the issue they have a warped view of what love is. Or just are completely cold towards everyone. These types of individuals once detected need to get put away for good.

[@peachy_lili]

sjk61367 is right. he did all that because he believed he was in a relationship with a celebrity.

[@nelixsulu6201]

I think chasing after the fantasy was easier than actually working for a realistic relationship

[@LibraUnlocked]

Christina and I are from the same hometown. She only went to my high school for a short bit of time, but she was very loved by those who had known her. I remember my choir teacher being so, so excited when she got on The Voice, taking a majority of class time to talk about her and show us the clip of her (singing Wrecking Ball, I believe). While I never met her myself, there was a day that she visited after the school day ended and some people I knew did talk with her, all of them saying how incredibly sweet she was. Our town was hit incredibly hard by the news of her passing, and she has a brick dedicated to her in the memorial garden at the school. Thank you for talking about this, Dr. Grande

[@keithbrunson7190]

Taylor Swift has addressed this in an interview. "Just have to watch out for guys who consider me their imaginary girlfriend." It's True.

[@MyMotherTheCar]

I've heard she has literally hundreds of stalkers. I can't imagine what that would be like.

[@chilenapromedioRU]

Isn't she the singer who briefly dated Jake Gyllenhaal but dedicate him almost a full album?

[@thinkingallowed7042]

It's truly the most unimaginable downside of fame and fortune. Everyone has crushes and fantasies but how can you imagine that a celebrity or public figure is 'the one for you'?

[@peachy_lili]

after a certain number of record sales, you are guaranteed to have at least one really serious, really dangerous stalker. Look at Ariana Grande, or literally any kpop star who exists right now. Nayeon from TWICE has a German stalker named Josh who has managed to get ON A PLANE WITH THE GROUP to the point they are all constantly on guard. it's a numbers game, once you're that famous you're just rolling the dice on how safe you can keep yourself. because we do absolutely nothing to intervene with delusional people, and once your name is out there, it just takes one mentally ill person with free time and you're looking over your shoulder forever. if you look it up on youtube, recently there was a guy following the boy band TXT around and he managed to get on stage a week or so ago, got very close to some of the guys and then was following them around the venue during the show until he was stopped, it was really scary. the band is lucky the dude didn't seem intent on doing anything, or taking advantage of how dumbfounded everyone was, because they were just letting him do whatever until the shock wore off.

[@keithbrunson7190]

Lumen. How many records have You sold?

[@otisjacksonjunior9795]

This reminds me of "Dimebag" Darrell Abbott, the former Pantera guitarist who was murdered on stage by an obsessed, delusional stalker who snuck into a show that Dime was playing with his new band, Damageplan, and shot him dead in front of his brother, who was also in the band, and then began firing into the crowd after shooting the band's tour manager who had tried to tackle him. He apparently blamed Dimebag for the breakup of Pantera, and said as much before opening fire. A police officer who happened to be in the area at the time went into the club alone without waiting for backup and killed the gunman. Still one of the most shocking and tragic incidents in the history of rock music and metal.

[@ginger_nspice]

I'm still disturbed by how easily he was able to bring three weapons into a concert venue.

[@dumblesmores]

Right? To think, just a month ago I went into a venue for a drag performance and Zero. Searching. And just with the overall climate, I was surprised. Maybe they couldn’t get someone certified to check bags and metal detect 🤷‍♀️ 👎

[@MadeByChinkee]

And to think that whenever we had to attend events/concert by our company, we had to leave water bottles, junk foods, and what not outside. For safety reason, 'coz our bag of Lays might blew up. Some wanted to bring their own snack because the food in the venue is very costly. But, no. You gotta let go of those.

[@martybass7376]

@@dumblesmores you should avoid those places

[@steverino2047]

Must be bc it was in Florida, bc in NY, everyone gets patted down at every venue. I didn’t even know that doesn’t happen everywhere.

[@martybass7376]

@@steverino2047 the rest of USA lives in freedom

[@pennsydude9723]

First time hearing this story. Sad and scary at the same time. I remember back in the late 90s a young tennis star by the name of Monica Seles was stabbed (but lived to see another day) by a person in the crowd as she went to hug her team after winning a match. This changed security for tennis matches after that event. Tennis players are now escorted by security before going up in the crowd to hug their team after winning a match. Weird and deranged people out there. Thanks Dr Grande for consistency of putting out interesting stories. 👍🏾

[@mrkeogh]

Seles attacker was completely obsessed with her rival Steffi Graf and believed he should get rid of Seles to help Graf win more often. It was a pretty bizarre case. There used to be video of the attack, but I'm not sure if it's still around. The attacker was suspected of suffering from a Madonna-Whore complex, whereby he idolised Graf and despised Seles.

[@roseaduke8835]

If I remember correctly, Monica wasn't even in a crowd when she was stabbed. She was playing a match being shown on television & during one of the breaks, she was on her designated seat, sipping from her bottle, fiddling with her racquet, when this person walked behind her & buried a knife in her back. Caught everyone off guard. She didn't even know what had hit her but did let off a scream that got everyone's attention. I think the stabber claimed he was a Steffi Graf fan & did it to avenge his fave. Something like that anyways.

[@pennsydude9723]

You're right. I only heard about. I didn't actually see the match.

[@pennsydude9723]

@Valetta Steele Yeah my mistake. I just looked it up. It was in 1993.

[@Mama_Bear524]

I completely forgot about that. So scary.

[@TomikaKelly]

This is DEVASTATING. I couldn't imagine being her sibling watching my sister be killed like that. Imgine being buried with all of your hopes and dreams at the young age of 22? Her poor parents. 💔

[@KariPusia6]

Very tragic. I loved watching her videos. And also her brother and father had to say goodbye to her mother bc her mother lost to cancer shortly after. Very hard time for the family

[@hishaybe]

I used to watch her when I was a kid, and now I’m older than she ever got the chance to be… this world’s so fucked sometimes

[@betterbee1304]

She grew up in the town right next to mine. When I was in high school, I used to sing, but I studied classical opera. I changed my major to psychology because I get stage fright. It takes a lot to be a singer, but the thing I can't imagine is the fame. Poor girl. So much talent and passion, all gone in an instant. Thanks for the video Dr Grande. ❤️

[@Nadia-bk1ic]

A question not related to the case but your change of major to psychology. I've always wondered, Is it possible to practice as a psychologist if you have a diagnosis of a mental health disorders, anxiety, PTSD or depression for example?!

[@chilloutnostress2586]

@@Nadia-bk1ic nope, makes you better at your job if u were to pursue it

[@Sleepparalysisdemon2]

@@Nadia-bk1ic yes,! Statistically, there are more people with mental health disorder in the field of psychology than the general population. There is such a stigma on mental health, educating yourself so you don't have a discriminatory view.

[@rvrmn2682]

I prescribe on viewing of the Knute Rockne parody scene from 'Airplane' (1980). Maybe it will speak to you maybe it won't.

[@betterbee1304]

@@Nadia-bk1ic I'm a recovering alcoholic and because I'm in college, I can see a therapist for free. I created a lot of damage in my relationships and my life with my alcoholism and I want to work on it and myself. I hope to become a substance abuse counselor and when I went to IOP, my counselors were recovering alcoholics/drug addicts. I was definitely depressed and had violent moods, so I think I self-medicated to get out of myself. So in answer to your question, yes? I think? But I had to work on myself before I could even think about going back to school. So I think it's about acknowledging the reality and then taking the step forward to improve yourself. I tried to explain that as best as I could, from my experience and perspective. I hope it makes sense. :)

[@xoxoakouto]

her death makes me soooo sad because not only did she die in the most horrific way but her death was overshadowed by the Pulse nightclub shooting which happened HOURS after her death in the same State! Poor girl didn't even get a fair coverage. :(

[@Cbd_7ohm]

Damn

[@StainsStainsStains]

Neither does the hundreds of people murdered around the world on a daily basis. All things considered, she got more than her share of coverage.

[@xoxoakouto]

​@@StainsStainsStains i understand that but I only said this because Christina was a bit more notable. Of course people died everyday but they dont get coverage because they aren't notable.

[@justinm3745]

Always gutted when this case comes up. She was such a positive and sweet woman, and incredibly talented too. Her family and fans did not deserve this tragedy either. May she Rest In Peace. Thanks for the video and stellar analysis as always Dr. Grande.

[@melfreemans]

I recently read an article that details all of Taylor Swift's stalkers. It is very disturbing. She spoke about having a trauma injury kit with her body guards at all times because of her team's real concern for her and their safety. It's a sad way to live. Regardless of her enormous wealth she has to fear for her safety at all times.

[@izaboo]

i could never not drop a tear when someone describes the moment she died... or when im listening to her music it really hits me. i still sometimes cant wrap my head around it, she died offering him a hug. she was such a sweetheart... it obviously shouldve never happened

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

I couldn’t agree more regarding shows like “The Voice.” This is such a tragic story, thank you for sharing your thoughts on it.❤️

[@orangemangas2465]

Have you seen the new lip singing tragedy on Fox. You should see Chinese TV all of it is educational all of it is positive everything is to educate the public. Chinese boys are taught to be men at a young age in schools and this started 20 years ago. Now China's got a military that I believe cut outsmart the United States is feminine military

[@skepticusmaximus184]

I know those shows are all rather formulaic and contrived, but I did regard The Voice as above the others, simply because they had to initially judge talent only on the music and sound, without any visual bias. Unfortunately that would preclude most magicians and mime artists. 😁

[@earld158]

@@skepticusmaximus184 people do legitimately compete on the Voice--I know a person who competed on it

[@skepticusmaximus184]

@@earld158 I agree. That's why I said I like the format over other talent shows. I think the issue isn't about whether people are legitimately competing, but whether these kind of shows really do find genuine talent. That's where I commend The Voice, as it's format entails the 'blind' listening only element and precludes bias on visual input.

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

@@skepticusmaximus184 How the studio audience reacts is a definite bias. None of these shows are "real."

[@houseofBuck]

This case really messed me up, so sad! She didn't even start her life. Also sad is her Mother died not too long ago. It's gotta be terrible for her Brother and Father.

[@REPDC4LIFE]

I remember being in middle school. I had a boy who, which seemed like out of the blue, started obsessing over me. I shot his various attempts at getting closer to me down. But he would not leave me alone. Of course, I'm a stupid teenager. I didn't take him seriously at all. Add the height difference (I am a pretty tall lady and he was very short) I just did not think of him as a threat... Until he attacked me. He started trying to knock me down and was hitting me. If I was small, who knows how it could have end for me. I pushed him, and he fell but he kept up his "attack" I was stunned. Some teachers had to come restrain him. They took him away. No suspension at a but he did leave me be. I'm not on the level of Christina. Not famous at all. But think about how easily someone can become obsessed. It's scary. I was introduced to it at such a young age.

[@brucejohnson9696]

What?!?! He wasn't suspended for physically attacking a female classmate? He should have been criminally charged and expelled, as there were witnesses.

[@lordhumungus7911]

Dont worry, 'shorty' was carried off by a large bird while crossing the street.

[@REPDC4LIFE]

@@brucejohnson9696 honestly, I didnt take it seriously as a kid. I just recently told my mom about it. I wish i didn't. It broke her heart. I was just lucky I was physically able to keep myself from getting seriously hurt that day.

[@REPDC4LIFE]

@@lordhumungus7911 he was severely bullied. I can see how he would have built up anger in him but I mostly ignored his advances. U would think he would have attacked the ppl who bullied him but instead he came for me. It's crazy to think about.

[@lordhumungus7911]

@@REPDC4LIFE I spotted the bird with shorty's shoe dangling from its beak.

[@beachboy0505]

6:55 Unbelievable sadness 'She held out her hands to give him a hug....

[@sfacegreyjoonie8231]

I remember discovering Christina when her death was all over the news. I decided to look her up and see who she was. I watched some of her videos and realized that a beautiful soul was taken too soon from us in such a tragic way. My heart shattered for her and her family. Today she would have been 28 yrs old, it’s sad that she didn’t get to see past 22. Rest In Peace, Christina 💚

[@kyliepollert8341]

It's very sad. I can just picture Christina covering Lady Gaga's "Hold My Hand" on the piano, in her bedroom... 😥

[@balintvass4771]

\|/ 2 u 2 💚

[@freebirdjackson5511]

Fame is such a strange thing…I really seems to have many pitfalls. Many celebs probably grow weary of it pretty quickly. Can’t imagine being constantly hounded by people when in public or even in your home. At the end of his life, George Harrison was almost stabbed to death in his bedroom by a person who broke into his home…and then there was his band mate.

[@mikadotanh9396]

At least they have the money to back it up. In comparison to Truman Burbank who only got paid a middle class wage to be world famous at all cost to his personal life, dialogue.

[@skepticusmaximus184]

Oh! Heard about his band mate. Jack Lemmon or something wasn't it? ✌😉

[@roseaduke8835]

@@skepticusmaximus184 Yeah! "Jack Lemmon" it was. That was his gig on the side when he was not acting in Hollywood movies! 👍🏼

[@kmdn1]

I had no idea about the George Harrison attempted murder! It's such a shame when a musician gets murdered by a delusional total stranger that thinks their delusional "needs" are the most important thing. Musicians have a profound gift that they were sharing with the world- music brings joy to people and helps ease emotional pain and suffering... To snuff out a true musician is just an absolute sin :(

[@nelixsulu6201]

That's why I don't understand why people literally sell theirselves just to be famous

[@chaseorosco9017]

I did have a thought as I was watching this. I wonder if at some point Kevin's obsession became torturous. Like Grande said, he perhaps at some point realized he couldn't live up to Grimmie's standards, but he also couldn't let it go. Thus, it no longer was a pleasant fantasy, but now tormented him. Her being alive tormented him, and so he killed her.

[@bettinastebner]

And thought they could be together eternally.

[@KariPusia6]

I still listen to Christina and miss her. Loved all her covers of the songs. She was lovely and kind, her family is lovely and strong for dealing with this tragedy and also passing of her mother shortly after. May they rest in peace

[@sciencenate]

He obtained hair plugs and a learners permit? This is the strangest list of items ever

[@randomnessatitsfineness190]

The person that shot her the person that shot John Lennon The person that shot Selena all 3 are the reasons why celebs tend to stay away from fans (or at least most of them). Selena and Christina were also really young, RIP.

[@DelphineTheWorstBladeEver]

And Lincoln. His riffs were so sick....

[@kylereyes2337]

The person who shot Selena was the manager of her fan club who f*cked her over. Upon finding out Yolanda’s (Selena’s fan club manager) chicanery, Selena and her team fired her. In retaliation, Yolanda murdered Selena.

[@SoWhosGae]

@@DelphineTheWorstBladeEver 💀

[@justniobe]

Selena....I think was shot by one of her employees who was embezzling, wasn't she?....

[@bluebaron6858]

Aren't alot of celebs doing comic cons and cameo RN?

[@1tagardina612]

Thank you for bringing this case. In my opinion, the concert organisation company or organisms have a big responsibility of what happened. How they could not check if the people going inside would have dangerous items with them? They failed Christina.

[@Richard-lh3te]

Christina’s story is so sad. Her viewers watched her grow as a person and artist and really excel and then she was taken so senselessly.

[@kkheflin3]

Oh Dr. G..."Anti sandwich nonsense?" Priceless. What a tragic tragic story. We love you and thanks for all you do for all of us.

[@SamiSmolboi]

I really miss Christina Grimmie. She was so talented and had her whole life ahead of her. Another musical talent lost too soon. “Anti Sandwich nonsense.” 🤣🥴

[@Chuck_EL]

may christina rest in peace.....i agree with the dr thats such an elitst type of mindset that these type of shows have, its all of hollywood look at how they call anyone who works at a resturant or a gas station when they used to make millions "washed up"

[@chazzbranigaan9354]

You miss her? Did you know her?

[@leel2792]

@@chazzbranigaan9354 you don’t have to personally know someone to miss them. Don’t act dumb. I miss her too, I loved her videos when I was a kid, and not knowing her in real life doesn’t change that

[@chazzbranigaan9354]

@@leel2792 um okay, same mind of celeb worship that resulted in her death but go off queen

[@skittlemilks1614]

@Chazz Brannigan Missing a celebrity you looked up to = murder. Logic.

[@NicheCraftwithKassi]

I am really interested in doing a deep dive into exactly how erotomanic delusions are treated. I would love it if you could do a video on treatment for delusions in general, too. Thanks for your content!

[@ZombieMannequinRobotStatue]

This!! Please! To add to the collection!

[@vaneast411]

very unusual in that the focus of his obsession (poor Christina) was within his reach to interact with him yet in his mind his choice to end her life and then his own was all that mattered so sick and yet so tragic

[@vaneast411]

@@vermilliongecko just awful....

[@laurahernandez-bd4vr]

It’s unbelievably selfish

[@helpyourcattodrive]

It’s Grande time. Let’s do this.

[@Mia-tn5th]

“Promote the sales of power rotating chairs” exactly what I always think of what The “VOICE” trying to do

[@zenawarrior7442]

This was such a sad sad case. Young life, good talent. Her poor brother. Thanks Dr G😊💙💙

[@NewWorldBuddha]

An adult who throws plates of food at a wall, upends a table full of dishware, and gets into physical altercations with caretakers when he doesn't get his way is operating emotionally at the level of a 2 year old. A grave error to allow him to partake in adult responsibilities.

[@briangarrow448]

Nor should he be in a position of power.

[@NewWorldBuddha]

A grave error to allow him to carry nuclear codes.

[@soulbrotha3237]

Hunter Biden

[@martybass7376]

Do you really believe that ?

[@jackieclan815]

@@harryhanz1690 probably a bot!

[@lnc-to4ku]

What a horribly tragic case! Your analysis and final thoughts were brilliant, Dr. Grande! Also loved the much deserved jab you made towards The Voice- "The point of the show is to shatter the dreams of the singing competitors." I also have to add that you look very handsome! ♡

[@linkedinlove106]

If my kid began covering his windows with aluminum foil, I would notice and take action ASAP. Where was his family in this? Like the July 4th killer, it seems these mentally ill but undiagnosed individuals live out their fantasies unchecked until they are carried out in real life and innocent people die. Just senseless and tragic.

[@gloryjab8681]

It does keep the heat out. I'd be more concerned over the lack of social skills and ear plugs.

[@ScumfuckMcDoucheface]

Hey Dr. Grande! I was wondering if you would consider reviewing the December 8, 2004 case of the on-stage murder of Dimebag Darrell, the (unfathomably, fantastically talented) guitarist for the band Pantera. It was a horrible, horrific tragedy, but I really don't know that much about it. Also I believe the shooter had significant mental health issues that I would love to hear your thoughts on. Thanks so much in advance, and thanks for all your great content Doc.! =)

[@-Yikes]

Bump

[@wadeguidry6675]

Yes, please do a video on it, Dr. Grande. My 1st thought while watching this video was of what happened to Dimebag.

[@joshphillips9033]

Great idea. Let's hear it Dr G!

[@jax422]

I still have a guitar pick Dimebag gave me at a concert when I was a kid.

[@myselfasevan]

That would be a good one

[@BubblyViolin11]

This case is just so sad. I was subscribed to her channel and would watch her covers frequently. It was so cool to watch her career build from a KZbinr, to touring with Selena, and then being on the Voice. Aside from Justin Bieber and Shawn Mendez, she was a shining example of what could happen to someone who just shares their talent online. She could’ve had such a massive career in music and it was taken away in the blink of an eye.

[@judyi.7015]

Christina Grimmie really caught my attention with her amazing talent and humility. I love her rendition of “In Christ Alone.” I am glad you covered this homicide so we can understand just how vulnerable we all can be if we become a public figure.

[@Andreamom001]

Long ago, I knew someone who was often in conflict with people around him. He always believed he was right, and his opinions were facts to him. If he was in conflict with a woman, he often decided the reason was that she had fallen in love with him or desired him s*xu@lly. Married women, therapists, church members… He even believed an elderly Catholic nun who “didn’t like him” was in reality, desiring him. He was prone to outbursts of anger and physical aggression if anyone argued with his opinions or statements. So, after briefly trying to reason with him, it was “,okay, maybe.” (But really, no.) I never realized there was a specific term for his delusions.

[@teijaflink2226]

People like this are so scary, you never know what they could be up to, could be totally harmless to murder.

[@MougliX]

This sounds like my ex boyfriend and he smashed my head against a brick wall because my friends didn't like him and he thought it was my fault. He always told me about random girls who probably crushed on him just because they let him borrow their pen or stuff like that. He was such an idiot.

[@artboy789]

Yeah, the term is ‘nuts’

[@donutswithsprinkes]

Back in around 2011 there was this app where you ask questions and get answers from others and I remember and Christina Grimmie answering one of my questions so we got to talking and understood she was pretty famous when I googled her and found out she had just been on the Ellen show. What I’m trying to say is she seemed so down to earth and was willing to talk to anyone even a random person like me on a random app at the time. Learning what happened and remembering that time I talked to her blew me away. Rest In Peace

[@chaseorosco9017]

Man, she died in 2016? I thought it was well before that. It feels so long ago. I never listened to her music, but she was such a beautiful young girl with so much ahead of her. Hearing her story is just tragic.

[@gabrielamartiniuc6322]

So much ahead of her. Why are people only important with so much ahead of them? What if motherhood was ahead of them and nothing else ? Does that make them any less ? Their life isn’t as important or valuable? She was a human being that deserved to live; and it has zero to do with her fame .

[@krpyton7368]

Feel like she was gone yesterday

[@nerdynellie4729]

I swear, I am willing to bet that Dr. Grande could do a full hour of stand up and nail it. I often re-listen to his videos because I'll miss the joke if I'm not careful.

[@Daedroh]

Can you please leave out the killer’s name in the title. I think it’s best to just make their names be forgotten. Christina also doesn’t deserve her name being mentioned alongside her killer’s name.

[@FeScully]

Agreed

[@Daedroh]

@@FeScully ❤

[@sadezem991]

This case devastated me. I had been a huge Christina Grimmie fan since I was about 11. She inspired me to start playing piano again and write my own music. I even remember her replying to me on KZbin comments on her videos or on her Facebook fanpage two or three times lol. It made me so happy at the time because I just adored her. She was such a sweetheart. Such a good role model for young girls and always uplifting. Nobody deserves this, nobody, but this was especially sad to me. I hope her brother can recover from what he saw and I hope he knows he did everything he could have done.

[@Onus6688]

When I was a younger girl I used to want to copy her style and I loved her videos.. I was so upset when this happened, and to this day I still despise all this new red pill incel gamergate toxic online culture that keeps pumping out these men that do this stuff, it’s very frustrating. 😞

[@teijaflink2226]

Definitely frustrating, even if they are losers who just sit in their room playing not even trying to chance their miserable lives they think they are entitled to someone as beautiful, talanted, succesful and kind like Christina.

[@gabrielamartiniuc6322]

What does the red pill have anything to do with this? Red pill is a belief that life without obsession with women is the way to go. This guy is BLUE pilled , obsessed with a woman, needing validation from a woman . That’s not red pill!!!!! Get knowledge on what the meaning of the terms you use are .

[@eadweard.]

You're just listing your own personal resentments which have no bearing on this case.

[@RowanWarren78]

@@eadweard. She's very right. How many disturbed suburban teens have committed mass shootings at this point? Too many.

[@eadweard.]

@@RowanWarren78 You mean you agree with her, which isn't exactly the same thing.

[@gmjsimmons]

Good even handed analysis of Erotomanic Delusions and how the thinking distortions can take a synister turn.

[@HaleysTusk]

I was aware of Christina because she was a Haley Reinhart fan and in fact was one of the first to sing & record a song that Haley had written, "Get Yourself Together" (you can hear Haley's distinct vocals in the background). At the time, I'd heard Christina's Meet and Greet was basically in a hallway. I've been to several meet and greets and most of them are indoors where you would not only have to pass at least one door security, the meet and greet would be held in a room where access to the artist is more limited than if it would be in a public hallway, where the general public just walked pass the meet and greet table. I'm not sure that would've prevented what happened but at least having the M&G in a separate room, passing through another security, there would be opportunity for those observing to spot 'out of place' people. I recall there were some girls in line w/ the guy and reported that he was very quiet and they got really 'weird' vibes from him. So people's alarm bells were going off. I hate to generalize, but recent years we see how citizens of the State of Florida love their guns, perhaps this kind of attitude contributed to the laisez faire way security was the night of the murder, although you'd think living in a gun loving state, security would be more aware of the potential gun violence risk than these people did that night, or maybe their guard was down because of the average age of Christina's fans (more reason the murderer should've had more attention focussed on him before the act).... RIP Christina

[@aarondavis8943]

Perhaps when this venue starts selling handguns, they'll make an effort to do weapon searches as people enter. "No outside guns allowed".

[@ms-jl6dl]

It's always those damned gun lovers isn't it. It's never lack of mental health support,bullying,broken family,obsession with celebrities amplified by "celebrity culture" on all media outlets... BTW a knife would do just as well.

[@pulaski1]

It's hard to generalize on concert venues and how security could be made to work under all circumstances. Just a couple of weeks ago I saw a concert by Cam Coles, a performer who has largely carved his own niche through YT and social media, he's British and this is his first US tour. The venue was little more than a bar and there was some contract security present, mostly at the door. After the show Cam just walked to the back of the bar area where a couple of tables were set up and he proceded to sign autographs and pose for photos with fans. I am not sure that there was enough of a security presence to prevent him being assaulted - certainly I was not frisked/ searched.

[@cjc363636]

Dr. Grande, thank you for your dry wit. It makes the sadness of the cases more tolerable.

[@AnzuMiruku]

I absolutely adored Christina and her videos. I discovered Christina when her cover of “Titanium” went viral on KZbin. Even Sia shared her cover. It was wonderful watching Christina evolve as an artist, finding more deserved success. I’ll never forget the shock and anger I felt when her death was reported. She was so young and talented with an amazing life ahead of her. Her family loved and doted on her so much. I can’t imagine what her murder and absence did to them, especially her brother who witnessed it and tried to save her. 😢💔 Thanks for keeping her story and memory alive.

[@Beefystumeat]

I think this occurred on the same weekend as the Pulse shooting-unspeakably tragic.

[@puketinmoarliek994]

American moment

[@intentionallyleftblank3016]

@@puketinmoarliek994 FLORIDA moments.

[@babigirl9111]

@@puketinmoarliek994 only in America. MAGA 🤡

[@btetschner]

Very tragic and bizarre case. Even more strange that he never met her before. He didn't even sound like that bad of a person. Very interesting case, thank you for the video.

[@randyhanson4973]

Damn! This is a scary story and one that every famous or want to be famous social media star should watch. The world seems to be getting more and more dangerous and people like Kevin seem to becoming more and more common. We are living in times unlike ever before.

[@gailflora1835]

I usually don’t comment because I listen too late at night. Her rendition of In Christ Alone is almost prophetic. So beautiful. Such talent mercilessly taken from the world. Sad indeed. Until God called her home, in Christ she stood. ❤️

[@Gamefan86]

🤢🤮

[@Gamefan86]

Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on. The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin" The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind" The sun is "The light of the World" The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea. "He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays. Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo. The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass. The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12. The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30. The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes. The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected. The reason why saviour myths are so similar with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet, because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun throug the heavens.

[@gailflora1835]

@@Gamefan86 Okay thanks.

[@gailflora1835]

@@Gamefan86 She was Christian. Worked for her.

[@KiIIerBean]

@@Gamefan86 let people find comfort in what they believe. its up to you to choose to believe in Christianity or not but theres nothing you can say that invalidate another persons own religious beliefs. i say this as a person who is not very religious

[@Dooza1998]

I love your cactus string lights!

[@pl-mn2ro]

No wonder celebrities must have body guard all the time

[@kmdn1]

It's so weird when guys think that a bunch of superficial cosmetic changes are going to make a particular person think you're worthy of dating or marrying. Like "I'll stop wearing glasses and get my teeth whitened and then she'll be so incredibly in love with me!" It's so delusional and unfortunately common.

[@liltsummerlin423]

I absolutely LOVE how you nonchalantly throw shade 😂 I love low key sarcasm.. Probably because that's my native language 😂

[@catherinecarmichael3180]

Love seeing your numbers go up on your followers!! You earn everyone of them!

[@ShredderTainment]

Curious about “erotomanic”, I am “obsessed” with a musician, and dream about being her friend, but no part of me wants to kill her. Where in the spectrum of erotomania does it turn deadly and dangerous? So scary! I’m even nervous that I tried to contact her and be her friend now. 😣 Oh dear!

[@kmdn1]

I mean I think it's somewhat normal to have a favorite musician that you identify with and could see yourselves having been friends if you went to the same school or something. Let me ask you, how did you feel about her response (or lack thereof) after you reached out to her?

[@ShredderTainment]

@@kmdn1 I was REALLY excited when she responded the first few times, so I got comfortable and didn’t filter as much and I think I emailed her too many times, she stopped responding...also she was blowing up at the time and moving to the US, so I may have just been too personal and frequent for someone she hardly knows 🤷. Honestly, I was really bummed when she first didn’t reply and it took time for me to realize I wasn’t gonna hear back from her again. I remind myself it’s not necessarily personal & she is living her life as a superstar, and continues to serve up amazing music, and I also hardly know her! I have surrendered to trying to be her friend😆, but I recently sent her manager a resume to possibly collaborate since I am a performance artist as well. That is the real dream, a professional collaboration. Thank you for asking. 🙏 May all these incredible artists & their fans remain safe. 🙏🙏🏻🙏🏼🙏🏽🙏🏾🙏🏿💋🎶🌈

[@ScubaSteveCanada]

@@ShredderTainment My advice, get her out of your mind and move on. Don't put her up on a pedestal, she's just a normal person.

[@bambiginger]

If there is one thing I cannot handle, it is anti-sandwich nonsense! Thank you for that gem, Dr. Grande!

[@thugnasty8400]

I always wanted you to talk about this case. I was down the road from where this happened in Orlando on vacation at the same time the night club shooting and that kid getting eaten by the alligator.

[@inahandbasket288]

Ah… Florida.

[@balintvass4771]

I only recently realized that I wished he would never talk about it but here we are I guess But at least he didn't really criticize Christina for being so approachable even though I could see him doing just that

[@KavaKavana]

This is so sad and shocking. Here she was reaching out to give this guy a hug which had he allowed her to could have helped him. He could have had a great story and a nice memory of a talented and kind person with a happy selfie. The money blown on the guns he could have brought her a boutique of flowers then moved on to maybe finding a girl who loved music but a little more in his league. He even had a job and a friend. It’s just a shame he didn’t get the help he needed and especially for her and her family that she was a bright rising cut down through lack of security and her openness to her fans. She will be loved and missed

[@gilmariebrioso1554]

I was not expecting the dunk on The Voice. Lmaoooooo I should have known better.

[@phil4986]

Humbling video,Dr.Grande. All people who get into the public eye, face this danger. The younger and more atrractive a person is,the stronger the bond of the aggressor. You cannot greet strangers with open arms unless they have been safely checked by a secure procedure. This venue clearly had no secure procedure. I feel awful for the family and friends of this young lady. She clearly deserved to live a long life filled with the love she was trying to give others. Sadly,that will never happen now.

[@tj8114]

If the killer showed no violent tendencies, what was the deal with the police being called to his home all those times? What did I miss? It is a true shame that Kevin did not get the mental health care that was desperately needed. I hope that Christina’s brother is getting the help he needs to deal with the trauma he experienced.

[@jbsank]

This was so very sad to listen to. Some celebrities want to appear available to their fans it’s part of their celebrity mystique and attraction…but this was just so sad

[@inkedhinata2314]

this case reminds me of john lennon and his assination. heartless and cruel taking such talent away

[@StrumVogel]

I remember when this happened. I was at work about to go home. I was sad for a long time because of it. All she wanted to do was sing. And her music has always made me happy. It’s so selfish that someone can do that to another person.

[@roseaduke8835]

My theory is that he decided in his deluded mind that the only way they could be together was to die together. It's strange that people think that life will be as is after passing from here. NO, IT WON'T.

[@waynezimmerman1950]

As a longtime true crime fan(thanks to Mom(of beloved memory), the many questions that will likely never be answered still intrigues me. And reading the comments from the Orlando, Florida PD detectives who conducted the interviews with Kevin's co-workers and family, the alleged accidental death(reported as Aspirin Overdose) of Kevin's mom(Nora) in 2010 is usually commented upon only in passing; except that he blamed himself by supposedly encouraging her to commit suicide. Was this ongoing guilt an important factor in Loibl's obsession with Christina? After all, a huge part of her faith was about eventual redemption from sin; all sin. Sometimes that can be an even more powerful desire than mere sexual attraction.

[@jamiclarkson5009]

Please "Speculate" on Judith Barsi and her family tragedy. I've heard the story before but think the psychological analysis would be interesting. thanks.

[@Fadingroses19]

What a sad sad sad case 😢

[@tybarker5038]

Thank you for covering this case and helping me understand it a bit better, Dr. Grande. It’s always affected my heart so deeply because her music was so good and she was such a kind and beautiful person. She didn’t deserve this and sadly she couldn’t have done anything different to prevent this. Just a sick twisted person doing what evil people do…

[@johnmellor932]

I Recently read erotomania is more common in women, which was surprising since most perpetrators are men and victims women.

[@barbaradascalos4411]

Way more common in women..the whole teen idol thing teens have. But they grow out of that stage.

[@johnmellor932]

@@barbaradascalos4411 Yeah but we all had celebrity crushes, but for most it doesn't progress into erotomania. Celebrity crushes are more common in women I'll agree with that, but not to the degree of dangerous delusion.

[@barbaradascalos4411]

Well that's why I said "grow out off that stage" Sadly I think this guy was no longer under the delusion so that's when he took action. If he was still under the delusion he would still be holding out hope in his mind.

[@willj1598]

So sad, I listened to her from when she started on KZbin. Just a kid with a talent and a passion who worked very hard. A very unfortunate victim of a damaged person.

[@barbieblue3336]

Lolol 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 your description of "the voice" lol

[@bingonamo7520]

I know of someone diagnosed with a delusional disorder, due to them believing a senior detective associated with their job, was stalking them and had hacked into all of their devices. He was stalking them, was obsessed with them and had hacked into all their devices. It ruined her life, she couldn't work due to the psychiatric diagnosis as her employer had her "medically retired" and no one else would hire her, the detective knew about all of this and did not admit anything, for fear of being fired, even though he's past the age of retirement anyway. She is currently selling her home as she can't afford the mortgage any more. Not only that, but the detective is a Mormon. I guess he's going to hell then. His co workers and boss won't expose him either. Some law enforcement people are worse than the criminals.

[@stevenjambrozy2057]

Long run and short run...stay away from pop/soda... brilliant, sincere and honest analysis/comments Dr Grande...you gave her your all...what a woman...

[@Edward-hn8ed]

Welp, there goes our chances of a Dr. Grande Meet n Greet.

[@thelocalmaladroit8873]

So many young men in the news lately with a story that ends in violence. Where does it begin and what happened to them? Thanks for your thoughts Dr Grande.

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

Video games, xbox and spending all day doing online computing games

[@msjujuz266]

Men's emotions aren't taken seriously, they need better support and mental health support. I know about 20 young Men who took their own lives, one was my Parents next door neighbour.

[@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24]

@@msjujuz266Mens suicide don't matter, society only care about women sadly I think it's always been that way. History has some great examples. Look at how men were treated when they came home from the world wars, often just discarded of course this isn't taught in history class. It's something that is conveniently forgotten. I think that gives a good insight into how society views men. If a world war three was to happen I've no doubt the men would face the same treatment again today. Shell shocked survivors with PTSD would Simply be told to shut up and how much privilege they have. Of course in reality both genders have their unique struggles or disadvantages. I find it interesting how any and all male issues or disadvantage is totally ignored and we're constantly told how men have it easy in every single way which is obviously not true.

[@kmdn1]

Begins at home. I just finished reading a book by an FBI agent who has spent a career studying young male offenders of violence and the conclusion he came to was that their psyche starts being built way before the violence starts- it begins at home where so many families in the u.s. are pathological. The fathers in a very large amount of families have left or they're in prison. Young men aren't getting the attention or guidance they need at an early age. Often the households are not only negligent but there is domestic abuse going on. Drug or alcohol abuse going on around him which further complicates an already negative relationship with his family and prevents any beneficial changes from happening because the drug users can't even think straight, let alone help their struggling child. The kid feels helpless, angry, confused, lost, desperate, etc. Then there is ready access to firearms in many households. And schools that are so large and impersonal that troubled kids fall through the cracks because no one can see how badly they're struggling and how angry they are, and even if they do, they blame the kid for his bad behavior and send him to detention. This is just a generalization but my point is that the negative emotions just keep spiraling out of control. The time for preventing a very angry, desperate, lost, and now antisocial young man from commiting violence has already long passed. Then just think that similar stories are playing out all over the country every day, in large amounts. If the circumstances are just right, some of those young men are going to lash out eventually.

[@kmdn1]

@@msjujuz266 I totally agree. The modern "feminists" these days always scoff at the idea that men on a large scale are not purely benefiting from our culture, like "oh he's a white male what problems could he *possibly* be up against!" but as it turns out- a LOT. I'm a female and although the struggles are different I think boys/men are struggling with the pathologies in our culture just as much, if not more than we do. There needs to be some better insight and a serious change in the way families treat the boys- so many young men are practically screaming for help.

[@davidgodoy4685]

The fact that security prioritized bringing food or drinks to the venue and not check for weapons is so infuriating.

[@TheSirAnthony]

I used to follow Christina when I was in high school, we were born the same year. Makes me so sad that she was taken so early. I still listen to her cover of Titanium often. Thanks for covering this

[@stanwoody4988]

A friend of mine was stalked for several years by a man that saw her at mall and decided that she was his soul mate. This is not about mishandled fame. It is about the availability of guns in our country. Nobody is safe anywhere at anytime.

[@katarratube]

This story always hit hard. She deserved so much better. ❤️

[@jennymayd716]

Your videos are always awesome but I live for the dry delivery of hilarious clapbacks. Awesome job Dr G.

[@junkgirlpatti321]

I remember watching Christina when she was on KZbin making videos from her home. She was so talented. I was saddened so much to hear of her death. Thank-you for covering her story.

[@roxyndra]

Certain vitamin deficiencies can also contribute to photophobia and audiophobia. But the guy played WoW so it sounds like a mere dislike of the outside anything. Hard to say.

[@emmbee6552]

Omg I loved Christina Grimmie 😔 she was such a bright light

[@Dan-oj4iq]

I truly believe that having a stalker in your life is far more life threatening and dangerous than being diagnosed with a disease such as cancer. I'd take cancer any day than being stalked by someone that could be there anytime at will. The fact that law enforcement generally cannot do anything until you practically get murdered is horrifying.

[@gabriellecollier8127]

Dr. Grande, I have a concussion and I am mildly phonophobic, but your low, soft cadence is very soothing. I can't tolerate much media right now because it's all so loud, so I came straight to your channel because I knew it wouldn't be overwhelming. Thank you. 🌸

[@ezequiellandaeta398]

Dear dr Todd, I would like to thank you for the content you upload, and tell you how much I appreciate it. I'm a psychology student, and I love how you are able to describe and explain the case for us beginners ;) Keep it up!

[@m.f.richardson1602]

Always interesting. Very sad story. Humor is outstanding,. Thank you. Peace 💕🇺🇲

[@mritzs5142]

I have never heard anything as descriptive as the way you described the attributes of the delusion itself in relation to the person. Brilliant Dr Grande ! Thank you

[@yjlconductor]

What a tragic case. What you say about becoming famous is so true. Please stay safe Dr. Grande and let's hope you don't get any celebrity stalkers yourself.