Kmart Shopper Sells Religion to Serial Killer Who Abducted Her | Margy Palm Case Analysis

[@ProfessionalWidowX]

“There is a sense that he thinks of satan as a competitor.” Brilliant observations, always.

[@Jluyoungzone]

😂😂😂

[@warpedwhimsical]

That had me cracking up

[@jukie16]

Crazy she lied to police about his whereabouts, more people would have died if her husband didn’t do the right thing and call police.

[@cynthiaschell7246]

you don't know that, as he had repented and did not try to hold off the police at Austin. God forgives narcissists and criminals too, when they repent .

[@valgardener7656]

She wasn't crazy. She had Stockholm Syndrome, and it is a good thing that she did, because it saved her life and many others. He was planning to die in a shootout with the cops, and she changed his mind about that, possibly saving the lives of numerous police officers and bystanders. She wasn't able to go from bonding intensely with her captor to turning him in the INSTANT she was free, but we shouldn't expect that of her. She DID tell her husband in time for the police to catch Steven, so really she did everything right despite the trauma she must have been in. Which is absolutely amazing.

[@cindyoconnell2471]

@@cynthiaschell7246Really? A person can kill/destroy all of the people’s lives that he did and wreck their loved one’s lives too, and your God forgives?

[@ceilconstante640]

@@valgardener7656 she did NOT have Stockholm syndrome. She had deep faith and was doing what the Bible (Jesus) tells us to do. To share the Good News that sinners can be redeemed. She wanted to give him the loving kindness he's never had.

[@valgardener7656]

@@ceilconstante640 She definitely had something like Stockholm Syndrome, as evidenced by the fact that she did not tell the cops where he was. This was NOT a part of her normal religious beliefs. We know this because she later, speaking as a woman of faith, said that he belonged in prison. So she was NOT acting on faith when she tried to keep him out of prison; she was acting out of the SS type bond with him, and it was temporary. She very quickly acted out of her actual beliefs and values, by telling her husband where he really was, so that the cops could find him.

[@barbarawhetzel8454]

I love your dry sense of humor. The cases you discuss are often disturbing and it helps when you add levity.

[@melindadurchholz3738]

It is amazing that Margie met Steven at this moment in her life. Her faith and love for Steven's welfare was present even in fear. She was an heroic woman that was concerned for the life of the store clerk. I celebrate her love and bravery.

[@glendasully]

Such a strange set of circumstances. Margie does have a strong faith. I couldn't have done what she did

[@jeanag3279]

I hope I would have been as strong as Margy was . . . but can't say that for sure.

[@kpthenut1]

Margy knows her final destination!

[@roxannespahr2804]

I have always thought If Im ever kidnapped, Id definitely try anything I can to attempt to level with the kidnapper. If possible, to make myself seem more human. More than just a thing to kill. But the moment we roll up to a 7/11 and he asked me to go in that store, my ass would be GONE right out a secondary exit.

[@cazpk6840]

This brave woman has my full respect. ❤

[@miriamthompson905]

Didn't know she was from my hometown of El Paso. Thanks for the review.

[@ashtonians]

"There is a sense in which he thinks of Satan as a competitor." ROFLOL

[@marlaroberts2087]

Well, truth is stranger than fiction! I wouldn’t be surprised if the kidnapper found his way to Heaven, however, two things about this story that bug me is the reference to KC. He to me is very controversial and the other thing is why did Margy lie to the police about the kidnapper’s whereabouts? Even though this is a bizarre story, he may have had a change of heart, although, that does not mean he will not have to make restitution even in Heaven.

[@snekboi3715]

Oh yes, when religious psychosis meets regular psychosis. Truly a match made in heaven.

[@SunshineCatwoman]

At this point, only Steven and the Lord know for sure whether he really repented.

[@simonbrown1486]

Dr Grande, this analysis is an odd departure from your usual incisive commentary. You are strangely incurious about the instantaneous change of character and behaviour of a murderous psychopath. Having worked as a therapist with prisoners for 16 years - I know that people like that don’t suddenly become remorseful of their own accord. This man was born again through believing in Jesus Christ. Praise be to God!

[@sburns2421]

Or he knew he couldn't run forever and needed something to motivate a jury to give LWOP vs DP. Or maybe he just hated his life so much the DP was a relief.

[@DeathMetalDerf]

I don't dispute his claims of abuse and trauma in his early life or while in prison, but what an absolute nutbar!! This is definitely one of the strangest and complex situations I've ever hear of. It's too bad he never had a chance to put his own words down in a memoir or biography or something, because I definitely would have that. Not because I'm cheering for the guy, but because I'm interested in how he saw the world and himself throughout his life from his own, internal perspective. It's gotta be about as messed up as it could get, but there's always the danger of extreme embellishments.

[@rachelbourque8802]

Good day, Dr. Grande. Can you analyze the case of Fathiha Marzan. Do you think her family’s Culture and upbringing contributed to her obvious disconnect for what she had done?

[@Flash-Storm6140]

First

[@sesshokitten]

I've heard of this working in a similar serial killer incident. The victim was raped but she spoke to him as a normal human being and made him see her as a human being and not an object to unleash his lusts and sadism

[@mildredpierce4506]

I believe Steven did change. What some people don’t realize is that being born again is a process. A person may initially except Jesus but it may take time for them to overcome their old habits. Even though Steven did not admit to all of his crimes he did admit to murder which he knew he would be executed for. In the past he was trying to escape. It is very possible if he had not encountered Margie that he would have continued his murderers ways or if Margie hadn’t been a Christian and prayed for him she could have been his next murder victim.

[@BillieYoung-tl5qr]

Who else has Ride like the wind stuck in their head now?

[@Lilac914]

This sounds like the kind of stuff that happens in the 1970s. This would never happen this way in modern times

[@Ffootagefetish]

I think he knew that the cops were closing in obviously, and repenting right then seems convient

[@actionjksn]

Laying hands on him and casting out the demons was absolutely brilliant on her part. I would say nothing else could have saved her life unless she were able to get hold of a weapon, but he still probably would have shot her.

[@jukie16]

I wonder if it was a tactic or if she was religious and delusional

[@cheesborgar6925]

@@jukie16i used to be hardcore atheist. Jesus is the Truth and the laying of hands by those with the Holy Spirit does cast out demons. i don’t think she was delusional. she listened to God that day

[@DarkflameEmperor]

@@jukie16 I feel like atheists are more likely to be delusional, but science is a really good logical system and if an atheist depends on science, they are a lot less likely to depend on their delusions. But the sad truth about an atheistic mind is if you go far enough you'll see the cracks in logic, kind of like they can tell the here and now really well but can't explain the why / rather believe the why doesn't really factor into the structure of the universe at all. You need a healthy mix of science and religion to defeat a few of the delusions both have naturally. And religion doesn't need a deity. A lot of religions just find the environment to be spiritual in itself, like Buddhism and native American religions. But one of the foundational reasons atheism is flawed is the belief that scientific methods are somehow superior to non-scientific methods, but they are just as human made and just as vulnerable to delusion.

[@AikoFox]

​@@jukie16I think it was a combination of both. But moreso being extremely religious to the point where she was already delusional. I'm not a religious person, nor am I an atheist; but I think that for some people a healthy dose of religion is good, but in her case she seemed to be well over the healthy limit before she came into contact with him. That unhealthiness saved her life as well as others on his path though. Well, that and ultimately her *husband* having enough sense to call the police and have him taken into custody bc her stupid ass would have been ok with a kiss on the cheek, believed he was miraculously saved by her, and let him ride into the sunset free to continue murdering people. So I think her husband is the real MVP here and that she was %100 extremely delusional. I think the lives saved are what matter most. He was unwell himself so that caught him off guard and got his gears turning in another delusional direction that also ended up benefiting her. She got very very lucky. I think its good that his tactic of trying to use religion (being saved) didn't work to get him off death row. "Perhaps" what Dr. Grande envisioned the warden saying when he was trying to delay or stop the process was not only hilarious, but brilliant to move it along and saved so many other potential victims because he was a monster who would have continued to murder and then use religion to "repent" to try to weave his way out of it. Whatever maker he believed in, if its real, could only save his evil ass. Even if he's just ashes and not existing in an afterlife is better than him being here killing people.

[@joanalorenzo6949]

​@cheesborgar6925, so you used to have common sense at some point in your life and lost the ability of using critical thinking, ok...😂.

[@cutiepiebb]

Jesus changes lives every day ❤

[@jeanag3279]

Amen!!!

[@KatSpade1018]

Margie is one heck of a lady. I hope her life is full of blessings and happiness.

[@mikekemper9566]

She is amazing.. 1 in a billion lady

[@basshawg]

I believe the Holy Spirit convicted him of his fallen state of total depravity. Repentance leads to redemption through Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior.

[@gasovensforqcult]

I can't say I blame the serial killer for ejecting the Kenneth Copland tape. Christopher Cross is definitely a much better choice. Just sayin'

[@oooof6861]

I like his comment that Kenneth Copeland saw satan as competition

[@Anna-pz9ry]

Copeland is a psychopathic grifter. It’s wild so many people are duped and send him their $$$$$s for his lavish lifestyle

[@Kat-tr2ig]

I understand that Dr Grande isn't a religious man, and that's fine, and Stephen could have just shifted his narcissism into communal narcissism, but I also feel that maybe his encounter with Margy was the first time that anyone showed any real interest in his life, his feelings, and his fate, and that moved him enough to change his life. At any rate, the faith and bravery of Margy is astonding, and she saved many people from being killed by Stephen.

[@detectivefiction3701]

It's odd you say that, because I get the impression that Dr. Grande IS religious. For example, he has a cross on the wall of his bedroom (he filmed several videos in that locale a couple years ago), and he once said he's against the death penalty for "theological reasons.". Maybe he's just skeptical of certain types of religious beliefs or is able to separate his personal faith from his psychological analyses.

[@Lisargarza]

I agree, Kat-tr2ig. Margy’s deep faith saved not only her life but seemed to have made a profound change in Stephen’s as well.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

What makes you think that Dr. Grande isn't "religious?" Has he discussed his personal beliefs online? I'm a believer but I don't consider myself to be religious if that makes any sense. To me churches are pathetic for so many reasons. Greed, lovers of money, false doctrines, hypocrisy, but in spite of my disdain for fraudsters, I'm still a believer. Dr. Grande pegged it right about Copeland asking for money and fleecing the flock. He's spot on with his assessment. lol 🧚‍♀

[@shameronstar7220]

@@detectivefiction3701 Dr Grande being religious sounds quite oxymoronic.🤣

[@JBplumbing12]

To have another person sincerely pray for your wellbeing with all their heart has a powerful effect that not many people experience. Such prayer is love and Stephen Morin got to experience it.

[@erinthesystem9608]

I was glad upon hearing that Margie was able to recognize that even if he had indeed changed, the man still posed a threat and belonged in prison, as sometimes people have trouble separating these ideas.

[@queenreg7]

Her faith saved her life. And a lot of others if he hadn’t gotten caught. Sounds like he just might have taken on the message. At least it gave him something to think about while he was awaiting execution, whether he changed or not.

[@MEL2theJ]

The Word of GOD is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword ⚔️

[@jeanag3279]

Amen!

[@thesongbird2383]

Dr. Grande - The really frightening part of this story was the mention of charlatan Kenneth Copeland! Great analysis! 👍💜🌵

[@lexingtonconcord8751]

Kenneth Copeland is quite frightening, however, serial killers are much scarier

[@thesongbird2383]

@@lexingtonconcord8751 Yes, but Copeland has crucified Jesus all over again. Unless he miraculously repents I'm sure God has a special place in hell for him. That false prophet has led many astray, which is heartbreaking.

[@Momz0r]

Kenneth Copeland was not always this crazy and scary. In the beginning of his ministry he was totally different. Money, the LOVE of money, got to him. Now he is serving a different god.

[@smallies7154]

copeland needs an exorcism pronto

[@ericdravenX00X]

Kenneth Copeland looks like he may be possessed by something, in that photo of his.. Thanks Dr.Grande.

[@loiscassels8966]

Yes, devil eyes.

[@ebudae]

Mental illness and narcissism.

[@megleland6320]

It sounds like Margy put herself in harms way to keep others from being a victim too, rather than take the chance of involving people in public. That is really admirable. She used every instinct she had to stay alive.

[@justmorenoise]

It’s pretty remarkable. Brave woman and compassionate.

[@heyitsjustme.680]

Admirable? She lied to the police and kept him on the run longer. She didn't care about anyone else's well-being.

[@Marinaxp1]

Lying to the police to help the killer get away is taking a chance of other people become his victims. Thank God her husband did the right responsible thing .

[@jaday7282]

@@heyitsjustme.680 Right? I love how when you mention religion all the christians suddenly seem to forgive the wrongdoings. The arrogance it takes to believe that your couple of hours of "preaching" (kenneth copeland version of "christianity" too LOL) is somehow going to "magically save" a monster. Just because he let her go she thought she had "fixed" him. Then she goes on a "look-at-how-awesome-i-am" TV tour. I'm sure she was eating up that attention. What arrogance!

[@jukie16]

She did the opposite she lied to police to let him get away and possibly/ probably kill more people.

[@theresaeliasen7061]

Margie sounds pretty smart, but also a woman of deep faith. Seems like it worked pretty well for her

[@wokeness420]

She didn't have a lot of options.

[@eden_aumakua]

@@wokeness420 She has the option at the gas station.

[@click_beatty]

As a man of indeterminate faith, it's always good to hear a story here someone possesses a deep faith and high intelligence. These days people seem to deduce the two concepts are mutually exclusive.

[@rickoasisfan]

Religion Ruined The World

[@astraetluna]

@@click_beatty exactly!

[@gabe-po9yi]

I’m going to give him credit for not killing Margy nor anyone else after her and accepting his earthly punishment, as indicated by not pursuing any appeals, not making excuses for his crimes and no final words of “Please forgive them, for they know not what they do”.

[@kellykane7586]

Yes exactly ☮️

[@susanivy3619]

With the exception of getting busted with a shoe stashed with razor blades, cash, a drivers license, and names/addresses of those he wanted to enact revenge on...or how he refers to it: "A momentary lapse of faith". Yeah, sure.

[@f.miller9522]

​@@susanivy3619he didn't use any of it while he had opportunity.

[@bunberrier]

If St. Paul could be redeemed, its also possible he was.

[@FoundingStockNZ]

I hope Todd finds God

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

Which one?

[@srsusansummers3070]

Me too

[@THE-id1by]

Is he missing?

[@lisamac8503]

God is always there We do not have to "find" him Each of us is where we should be

[@MuhammadAdamGhamkoley]

What worked with this serial killer may not have many others. The lady was lucky.

[@WhoWho569]

This! She got lucky, these guys are erratic and ultimately unpredictable. Behavioral science itself can’t yet make total sense of them; and that’s because they are not very rational, they’re more primitive instinct and moment driven, like animals, like the animal predators that they are. They operate at a very low and basic level of consciousness, and are closer to a wild animal than to a human. It’s like a lone, feral wolf, you never know what it’s going to do, and you are all too lucky if it doesn’t pounce.

[@DottieMinerva]

I watch the show “I survived” a lot and some of the perpetrators on that show would’ve laughed in her face.

[@inahandbasket288]

She was blessed. With common sense, a lack of panicked actions, and/or or grace from God. I think Margy was blessed with all three.

[@gigicolada]

Very lucky she could appeal to his narcissistic side!

[@gigiarmany4332]

exactly

[@cplmpcocptcl6306]

I have taught my children that if ever threatened with a gun and abduction, to TAKE the bullet. Chances are high they will not shoot. If they do, they will probably miss, regardless much better chance to survive a shot than the abduction.

[@muttlee9195]

You teach your kids that? I certainly would not allow anyone to restrain and abduct me I’d rather die fighting.

[@judithgannon5642]

An FBI agent spoke to us at a librarians convention and his advice was to run or fight if in a parking lot etc, because "at least there would be people around to call an ambulance" and you had a chance of survival. He said, "Once you go away with him, you're never coming back."

[@NickanM]

Same here. Never ever go into a car if someone tries to abduct you. The chances are really high that you will end up missing and your family will wonder what happened to you forever. The chances of survival are greater if you disobey the kidnapper just like the other poster here says.

[@thegatesofdawn...1386]

Margie got scared about placing the guy on the bus. I am glad she didn't get killed. Crazy story. Margie was the right person for him to meet, she did her best. Justice was served.

[@terywetherlow7970]

God moves in strange ways.❤

[@Angelina_not_Jolie928]

What an interesting story. I was really amazed she got back into the car with him when she could have escaped. I don't think I would have taken that chance, personally. But she took the chance and it worked out for her. Love your videos, Dr. Grande !

[@yvettemarshallTWN]

@@Acts16v31My thought exactly. She did do what she was supposed to do! Faith is very powerful. All’s we have to do is believe, God does the rest. We are vessels for His works, and Faith WITHOUT works is dead so imagine what faith WITH works can do! Epic.🙌🏾

[@magical571]

@@yvettemarshallTWN deranged individual right here.

[@4U2CB4UC]

Religion can and is Sold but this case could illustrate the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ and his personal Salvation. One could study the case of the Apostle Paul who likewise was associated with murder and was changed, in an instant forever, (Acts 9), when he received the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior. ..a reminder... your Faith should not stand in the wisdom of men...but in the power og God ( Romans 2:5.

[@tessasaknit]

We love you Dr. Todd, ( my husband and I.) I am an ICU trauma nurse, almost 40 years. This story is reflective of what I tell people. Jesus changes everything and everyone. He did with me. Now I have been at peace for sometime.

[@valeriyaichshenko223]

Very proud of my sister in Christ Margy!

[@magical571]

cringe

[@lmiller1413]

​@@magical571no cringe. I read the story as she told it. I'm impressed by her.

[@brigidroche1006]

It is The goodness of God that leads one to repentance. Who are we to judge his sincerity. Margie, you are awesome!!🙏♥️🕊

[@justincredible.]

He killed 9 people.... What a great god. And how many getting killed every day?

[@jmsimcic]

I sense that Dr. Grande is skeptical of religion, and the explanation of the killer’s actions as just another way to fuel his narcissism is plausible- but it’s also possible that the faith and kindness of his would-be victim actually transformed his heart on some level. Maybe he was tired of that life on a deeply spiritual level. It would wear on anyone’s soul. Very interesting video, as usual.

[@lisanelson302]

Nah it was God working through her that changed him. No one and I mean no one changes like that without the spirit of God. My faith your faith the planets faith does nothing. God used Margie to reach a man who was so lost Nothing could save him just like Paul. Those criticizing him for not being "perfect " after his salvation must think that Christians are perfect?? Topic for another time I guess but no Christians are not perfect. God intervened and transformed that man.

[@detectivefiction3701]

I think he's just skeptical of the type of Christianity that Margie seems to have subscribed to (the evangelical or "laying on of hands" type). He's probably also skeptical of the idea that an experienced criminal can sincerely and enduringly abandon criminality as the result of a single encounter with a Christian.

[@shameronstar7220]

@@lisanelson302 Chill, you know what they meant. Lol

[@lisanelson302]

@@shameronstar7220 ok sure I'll chill. Are you chilled.?

[@muttlee9195]

Love not religion dissolves even evil ❤

[@GreyRock100]

Them Kmart shoppers are no joke.

[@arinerm1331]

Especially during those Blue Light Specials!

[@marlbboro8091]

Unlike the Walmart shoppers.

[@cindymichel4870]

It sounds to me like he did change. He was reading a book of scriptures, he was calm in facing death. He told others about being saved and what God had done in his life. That sounds like true change to me and not just acting or trying to get attention.

[@jeanag3279]

Agree . . . especially since he was reading a book of scriptures.

[@christinahite74]

I agree he had an encounter with pure love. God is pure love ❤️.

[@justincredible.]

@@christinahite74GOd is what now? He created this killer, knowing what was going to happen, watched it happen, and did NOTHING! And what about the love to the millions of children in Africa dying of AIDS and/or starvation??? Pure love.

[@nicholashylton6857]

Have you heard the phrase, _"They know the words but not the music"_ ?

[@kathyjennings3907]

@@justincredible.correct, absolutely.

[@noplacelikehomecrochet5335]

The good Lord works in mysterious ways and he will deal with the greedy & fake men and women hiding under his name as well.

[@gracieallan4124]

…or Jesus really did change his heart and save his soul. For those of us who’ve had our own lives changed, it looks like a distinct possibility

[@thegatesofdawn...1386]

God only knows and will judge accordingly.

[@janetoliver9561]

I dislike the Doctor’s Christian mocking. Rather slanted against people of faith.

[@Neillan]

😭😭

[@detectivefiction3701]

On the contrary, I think Dr. Grande shows real discernment about what kinds of Christianity are sincere and what kinds are simply self-serving. Should we Christians praise every single thing that claims to be "Christianity" or "faith"? No, we should use critical thinking in this area, just as with everything else in life.

[@lisamac8503]

@@detectivefiction3701 Religion is man made and we all know what when "man kind" gets involved in something then there is problem Spirituality is not religion nor does it have to do with God or Christ Labels do not have to define you or your belief

[@KelmutHool]

the mockery is well deserved.

[@mirzamay]

Huh. She cast his demon out. Impressive. Maybe it really did save his soul. There's repercussions and justice for the lives taken, but maybe in the end he'll be redeemed. I do hope so.

[@Crazy_Joe_Davola]

I am hopeful rather that his poor victims and their ruined families can be restored in the afterlife.

[@cinnamongirl5410]

Her reasoning at the store is completely understandable. On one hand if he knew she was telling the cashier, he very well could have killed her and the cashier. However, if she escaped, as she could have, he most likely would have then grabbed the cashier and killed her. Then she'd spend her life feeling the cashiers blood was on her hands. I am sure many scenarios went thru her mind in a matter of seconds. She did the best she could of what she was dealing with.

[@sburns2421]

That was my thought too. She might get away but only to leave the other person to be a victim.

[@stephanieramirez2947]

Dont underestimate faith. God knows the truth.

[@jackiedixon5076]

Sir, God does not want anyone to perish. God's love shone through her to her kidnapper. It all worked out for good. She brought an end to his crimes. God forgave him and he paid his debt to the system. Now he is rejoicing in the presence of Almighty God. What a story of love and forgiveness.

[@shawnadeyo]

He thought Copeland would sell the gun and get rid of the evidence😂😂😂

[@bjornzek]

dr grande, thank you so much for your videos. i’ve left a comment before thanking you but id just like to again. i’ve been watching you since late 2020 and your videos never disappoint, and i’m going through a hard time right now and your videos and your humor always bring me comfort. thank you for all you do and keep it up

[@mrsshagsswagfrosty]

Me as well friend ❤

[@MypronounIsKing]

Same here you’ll get through it guys this too shall pass

[@elizabethmulgrew7873]

Only God knows Stephen's heart, but you have to credit Margy with incredible courage and faith! How many people not only survive a situation like that but cause a change, no matter how temporary or insincere, in the criminal so that he stopped killing!! What a story!

[@jeanag3279]

Totally agree.

[@JBplumbing12]

To have another person sincerely pray for you with all their heart has a powerful effect that not many people experience. Such prayer is love and Stephen Morin got to experience it.

[@markmike7933]

Your words, in this instance were FAR BETTER than dr. grande's analysis. I like him a lot, but he is grounded in a faithless, almost computer like analysis of humans....maybe this guy changed a little, maybe not at all, I don't know. But it could have been temporary on fell anywhere on a long spectrum from fraud to real belieft. And lives were saved. I'm a Christian. What Dr. Grande says would imply that I am either ALWAYS GOOD or not a Christian....the first is not what is happening!! :) The second is...even if I'm not the best one. ciao

[@pattih7]

She was guided by the wisdom of the Spirit, and gave herself to God’s protection. At the same time, giving him the Wisdom of God’s Word. It served everyone. Only The Lord knows if he was sincere.

[@elizabethmulgrew7873]

Absolutely agree!

[@tortimeese]

Reminds me of the storyline in “Dead Man Walking’l with Susan Saradon and Sean Penn. In any event Margie helped Steven to renounce his career in brutally killing people.

[@malumusera]

I was about to ask if that movie was inspired by this case

[@GiftSparks]

@@malumuserano it is based on a different true story.

[@oldcollegecoed]

Honestly, as a Catholic, I am awed and humbled by Margy’s deep faith and Christlike character! While we all claim to carry Christ in our hearts, few of us behave in a way that proves it. I have often marveled at the unbelievable faith early Christians had when they were arrested and faced with man-eating lions in the colosseum and wondered how I would have reacted. Would I have been brave enough to do the same or would I have waived the white flag & screamed “What…wait a minute…I think I mis-understood. I don’t believe a word that troublemaker Jesus said!” Then there’s the Jehovah Witnesses all across Europe who were rounded up by the Nazis and subjected to the horrors of the concentration camps rather than swear loyalty to Hitler. While at the same time, aside from a few brave souls such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer who defied the Nazis, the Catholic Church as well as most Christian denominations as a whole pandered to Hitler in every way possible to protect their assets, their clergy, and their congregations. Although I’m no fan of televangelists or religious fundamentalism, the reality is Margy is the Christian we all claim we are but fail to prove by our actions! It actually doesn’t matter if Steven was actually changed by his time with her. What matters is she risked her life and walked Jesus’s walk and talked Jesus’s talk despite the risk, and that’s what we should all be doing!

[@Pipers_hooman]

💯🎯🔥

[@poindextertunes]

Uh… didn’t she lie to the police?? 😅

[@debishaw9355]

I’ve seen God transform people just like Steven was or seemed to be. I won’t be surprised to see him in heaven someday..

[@david-dj8or]

I've seen Catholics do some sneaky things. But then they can twist the story around and act like they were heroes.

[@unclepepe1184]

@@david-dj8or You've spotted a hypocrite! That proves Christianity doesn't work. /s

[@bethtaylor9773]

Only God knows whether Steven was saved or not.

[@srsusansummers3070]

Agreed

[@jeanag3279]

Truth!

[@stuartherrera]

Spoiler alert: he wasn't

[@sdsurfgirl60]

Jesus saves, and the devil receives.

[@kashigata]

God knows nothing as he doesn’t exist. We all go to the same place Steven went to - oblivion. You have to lead your best life now. There is no redemption, no one is going to save you. This is all we have. Make the most of it every day and be kind.

[@thelocalmaladroit8873]

What a conflicting story Dr Grande. There’s his evil and her faith. In the end, justice was served.

[@jona_KardCiv1]

Forgiveness is Jesus's job. Not mine.

[@lianadotjpeg]

This is literally the power of Jesus Christ in action.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

Is that right? Besides that being a baseless assertion and fallacious reasoning, it seems like that power could have been better applied to stop Steven from murdering dozens of people prior to this.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

@tbuitendyk You need to demonstrate the existence of free will before your assertions could be taken as accurate. You do not know that free will actually exists or if the universe is predeterministic.

[@RepentImmediately]

​@@tbuitendykare you saying that we have the same entitlements as God?

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

@tbuitendyk Actually, you do not "know that having been created in God's image we are free moral agents fully culpable for the choices we make". You may have that belief, but beliefs are not necessitated by knowledge. Please do not assert to know that which you can not demonstrate. Your assertions about determinism are not well thought out. For starters, have you really not heard of what is referred to as the illusion of free will? A deterministic universe does not have to "feel" as if it is such. Ergo, your hypotheticals about theft, justice, laws, etc. are nonsensical. I would urge you to attempt to have a better epistemology and not assert that which you are unable to actually know.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

@tbuitendyk Hindus, Muslims, etc. believe that they have experiences that validate how they "know" that what they believe is accurate also. So, I get that you don't get it. Your beliefs are not better supported by evidence than theirs.

[@JJDSports2012]

You can mock Margie’s “exorcism,” but he didn’t kill anyone thereafter, and really pretty much straightened out best as one could thereafter, considering his circumstances and past. There is something to prayer and faith, and the world is more than we know.

[@wolfe6220]

Oh yes, him not killing anyone during the whole 45 minutes he was free before the police arrested him was absolute proof that he had changed his ways 🙄 Him preparing to kill again and escape in prison is just a teeny backslide....

[@JJDSports2012]

@@ihatespam2please provide those “studies”. You’ve made a lot of claims but have proved none, and in fact cannot prove them. In fact, I know lots of people helped by prayer. I can’t prove heavenly intervention, of course, but I know of people who believe they were helped by praying and being prayed for. You can’t disprove that with a precooked atheist “study”

[@JJDSports2012]

@@wolfe6220he could have killed more; he could have killed Margie; he didn’t fight his sentences; he appeared to be less bitter and angry. You could fairly conclude he was changed by his interaction with Margie and that interaction was based on religious faith

[@sburns2421]

@JJDSports2012 He knew his goose was cooked after he was apprehended. As for not killing her, it is unclear if he thought there could have been a promise of a romance or something in his own mind. Almost as if she implied she would run away with him on the bus up until it was time for him to board. I am inclined to think this would have not turned out so well had she been unattractive or male.

[@carlitosortiz2870]

​@@wolfe6220he didn't appeal his convictions says a lot.

[@wendiwonderly1419]

I prefer not to speculate when there is a controversial death. Only God knows where Steven was with the Lord when he died. And one way or another God gets it right

[@loricausey8946]

Dr Grande respectfully … the power of prayer and authority to cast out demons is real … not to be mocked .. she is alive and well now because of her faith and knowing the word of God… and it’s not up to us to judge anyone who gives their life to Christ no matter their current mental or past sin status .. that’s the love of God .. I pray that his heart was pure and his salvation was true that’s between he and the Lord… many wonderful men in the Bible were murders .. Saul who became Paul … it bothers me when you kinda of mock things … thank you for allowing me to speak

[@astraetluna]

You’re such a smart ass “ the demons may have been confused about where to go” 😂💀

[@kittyshell8506]

Lol, I actually thought he was being sincere... They may have possessed Margie! 🤭🙀😱😜 Although, I agree, Dr Grande has a wonderful sense of humor, VERY dry delivery!! 💯💯💯🙏🏻🙌🏻😂🤣🤣

[@Mrs.Silversmith]

I'm glad they caught the guy and ended his rampage. Whether or not he was sincere about his repentance is between him and God. I trust God will know who is or isn't one of his followers.

[@lawrencegoldworm]

Most of your dry humor is great but in this case was in very bad taste.

[@debishaw9355]

Wow! God was working that day for Margie

[@suzanneflowers2230]

Finding religion and becoming a genuine Christian are totally different things. Everyone needs forgiveness, and whether an extreme narcissist or not, Steven knew this. People know right from wrong. Margy told him how all of us can receive forgiveness. Christ, by giving His life on the Cross, offers us forgiveness and reconciliation to God as He paid the price for our sins. His Resurrection then gives believers eternal life, defeating death. But a person has to sincerely repent and then turn to live for Him to become a real Christian and start to change. True Christianity, then, is about a relationship with our Savior that begins at the Cross. Regarding earthly justice, apparently Steven understood that the crimes he committed warranted the death penalty, because he did not appeal the sentence. At any rate, only the Lord can (and will one day) completely judge our motives.

[@Jesusandbible]

Your analysis is very cynical, as there is no percentage possibility expressed his conversion was real. Maybe that is a Freudian slip you are too skeptical about the Faith, because quote "iniquity abounds". Why not analyse the case of Karla Faye Tucker and tell us if you think her conversion was real? I feel this story is staggeringly amazing, and I hope he did repent. Perhaps the "getting in the way between her and her husband" was simply because she had said to him her husband was unhappy she wrote to him or visited him as much as she did?

[@m.f.richardson1602]

Kenneth Copeland is a very dangerous person, just opinion. Outstanding humor. Always interesting Thank you Peace 💕🇺🇲

[@natekeyes2297]

I think people really want to believe that he changed, and I certainly am not qualified to say for certain whether he did or not. But I'll just say that wanting to believe something is very powerful. I also am skeptical of the faith and salvation that emanates from preachers whose main mission in life is to get people to send them money.

[@kimalonzo3363]

As a Christian I think that's an awesome story. She was bold and God used her to bring a lost criminal to salvation. Amazing grace. 🎶

[@Ken-fh4jc]

I’m not religious but I find it very impressive.

[@kathywilliams9543]

Or...w/ God - all things r possible.

[@judysanchez6329]

Great story of a lost soul? Margie did a great approach On saving her life from a Serial killer? Let's hope he Really repented Of his crimes ? ?"Only the word Of our Lord Jesus Christ can change us "

[@rodolfoerdogan4983]

Can you imagine if only someone had shown this young man a little kindness in his formative years ? Or shown some sort of belief in him

[@catsinpajamas]

Yeah, I can. He would have killed them. Contrary to popular belief, having a sad childhood and/or being bullied does not make psychopaths out of people.

[@rodolfoerdogan4983]

@@catsinpajamas how wonderful for you to know everything

[@BrooklynBaby100]

@@rodolfoerdogan4983🤣🤣🤣

[@Mint-kj9kw]

@@catsinpajamas Disagree.

[@lorenabobbit-hi9nh]

facts and spoiled assholes become serial killers too

[@natalielawyerchick]

There’s nothing funny about this but I had to chuckle at Margie casting demons out of Steven when her life was at risk. That’s something my mom would do. If anyone has a praying mother or grandmother, you know what I mean

[@tjtak7486]

It is indeed your opinion. No way to tell for sure if his repentance was sincere.

[@OneMan-wl1wj]

The real miracle is God's grace having him picked up BEFORE he arrived at Copelands. There was God's mercy for sure!

[@rullvox5912]

I know this case, she was brave, but lucky to have escaped being killed by that maniac.

[@SirenaSpades]

Naive, more like.

[@gigicolada]

Very lucky.

[@MustardLadySaveMe]

love how sister margy is no snitch she said, "With all due respect, officer, that's between him and the Lord. 🙏💅

[@lifetimeactor6789]

After watching this video I checked out Margy's testimony, also on YT. What an amazing woman of faith! God really used her, and was with her that day, and that man was delivered. Very inspiring.

[@justincredible.]

How many people did he kill and how many people get killed all over the world??????

[@quantumrobin4627]

Copeland 100% deserves all that shade😂

[@lmiller1413]

And then some!

[@MARKStein-b9r]

there's no question in my mind God Himself interviened here...He does that.......I've seen it in others and experienced it myself. I believe this is totally legit......the guy was convicted by the Holy Spirit...repented...recieved Jesus....past sins blotted out forever....period. The Living God does do that....in fact He delights in just that above all else. Praise God.....this made me weep. Having said that...no it doesn't mean he's then a sinless perfect chiorboy everyone then lives happily ever after.......it almost never...or I should say never quite plays out THAT way either obviously.....but in the big BIG picture in this context that's almost beside the point. Thanks for sharing Dr Grande...and thanks for all you do sir

[@AldousYates101]

I've learned more about law and the judicial system through Dr Grandes videos than any other source. Quality Content thats always fascinating. Been watching since early 2020.

[@cherylhaskell9830]

Consider, Stephen received devine love, forgiveness, and he was at peace knowing he would soon be in the presence of his Heavenly Father. Stephen might beable to deceive others by change in behaviour, but true faith would be the only explanation for peace at the 11th hour.

[@shameronstar7220]

If this story doesn’t convince you God is real, I have nothing else to tell you except bless you and your loved ones.

[@nonprogrediestregredi1711]

Let me get this straight; you consider these events as convincing evidence of the existence of a god? If so, that's fallacious reasoning.

[@david-dj8or]

Well, why didn't god stop him before he killed the other people.

[@shameronstar7220]

@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 It’s ok, you still are a good person.

[@ellasparks2488]

Marg married a man named Bart?

[@tangomcphearson74]

I have always your analysis of crimes. However, I was deeply disappointed in the way you handled this one. People of faith DO believe in forgiveness and that everyone deserves forgiveness if they repent of the wrong things they've done, come into a true relationship with Christ, and begin to live a life that reflects that love & forgiveness they have experienced. I have the utmost respect for this woman - she faced horror and relied on her faith and came out of the situation alive. What she did and the way she handled the situation I really respect. I believe that God absolutely saved her. I feel like several times - you mocked Christianity, and Christians - and that is deeply wrong on many levels. Very tongue in cheek - but the words you spoke clearly showed your lack of respect as well as your lack of understanding of the Christian faith and perhaps any faith.

[@natekeyes2297]

So he believes differently from you. So do a lot of people. Deal with it.

[@valgardener7656]

He's speaking from his own area of professional expertise. I don't see how that contradicts Christianity at all.

[@natashasays]

There is no reason to "respect" such an irrational belief system.

[@ascricco987]

But if he were making slightly snide and comic comments about something you also believed, you’d be laughing.

[@natekeyes2297]

@@ascricco987 I would be laughing, yes. It's called "not taking yourself seriously." People make snide and comic comments about stuff I believe every day! Also, it helps you get through life to be able to see the humorous side of things, no matter how strongly you feel.

[@agutz1765]

I love listening to Dr G when doing my chores mindlessly 😊

[@stephendacey8761]

laundry time☺☺

[@Bea-ok8ci]

Nice background Dr Grande. I've newer heard of Steven. Very interesting story. God really does forgive the truly repented.

[@AedanGUnit]

Loved the Kenneth Copeland burn. 9:14

[@TyrellaChantelle]

She has great hair

[@randallmorgan5184]

Doctor: I really enjoy your channel and look forward to new content. As far as this case goes, the man may have very well surrendered to God and believed that Jesus Christ was the son of God therefore he was “ saved”. A complete conversion maybe. I think there was some deliverance for the man. But complete deliverance can be a long process for some people. I’m grateful he was taken off the streets. Many were killed and many were undoubtedly destroyed by his actions.

[@maraclough3869]

Wow, that's hard one. Could he possibly have changed. Have no idea. But this I do know - a person CAN change. In profound ways. Permanently. And occasionally, in the blinking of an eye. I know this, because that person was me.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

What a fascinating case. I tend to agree that he didn’t truly change but rather changed his narcissistic focus. Thank you for covering this interesting case, Dr. Grande.❤

[@donalynette]

But how would anyone know what is in another’s heart, who is saved, or isn’t. God alone has this knowledge. “The information is not available to mortal man”. Simon & Garfunkel.

[@BobbiGail]

Of course we can't know for sure, but I have seen this pattern with others, swinging from evil to God. It can be spotted when the focus is still on THEM, rather than victims or others in general. Sometimes even in feigning to help others they have an underlying self focus. It's usually bizarre and just doesn't feel right to look at it.

[@TheFakeyCakeMaker]

@@BobbiGail In the parable of the sower Jesus talked about seed that yielded 30, 60 and 100% increase. Some people are the 30%. I believe God simply takes what He can get. He knows what we are each capable of. We cannot truly know what's happening in another's heart and mind. The guy accepted his punishment, did his time and even at the end was focused on "religion" so who are we to say? Maybe he did the best he could, salvation doesn't wipe away mental illness or an unsound mind and people can be truly saved in their hearts but display all the traits of the mentally unsound.

[@BobbiGail]

@@TheFakeyCakeMaker Matt 7:15-16. My only point was that I would have hoped he might have shed more light on the ppl he hurt (KILLED) in the past and maybe showed some remorse... to help those families. Ppl can hide under the guise of God. In the end it is between him & God anyway. The woman did an incredible thing witnessing to him and sharing a moment of love even in her own moment of terror.