Celestia's Secret Why The Fatui Must Burn Irminsul, What A God Actually Is Explained Genshin Theory

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@Blue-wk4wx 3 ай бұрын

great video actually Fontaine sorta proves this they had a fake god for years didn't matter

@lnsflare1 2 ай бұрын

Theory: Paimon is not the Primordial One or its Shades, but the shell from which it hatched and then turned into the Firmament/False Sky, since that would explain why her character design references Celestia, the stars, constellations, and the 3 moons since they all reside within the Firmament, with her outfit looking egg-shaped. She would also be the Goddess of Protection (like she calls herself in the Traveler's profile) that is shielding Teyvat from ourside incursion, and the Guardian Angel who Guides Travelers (like she says during the kite-making scene in the 2024 Lantern Rite Festival event) since they would have to pass through the False Sky to reach Teyvat, and the stars within the sky are used for navigation. Additionally, in this theory the melusine who saw her as a balloon whose strings go past the sky was just misinterpreting seeing the strings go into the sky itself, or possibly to the other side of the Firmament.

@darrylerren8185 3 ай бұрын

In my opinion, although the Fontaine archon quests, although really fun, the fatui situation in the nation is underwhelming to say the least for a few reasons: - We saw neither Sandrone or Dottore - Arrlechino, contrary to expectations, turned to be pretty chill rather than a two faced witch that we often imagine.

@TheGamerChronicles999 3 ай бұрын

I have to agree actually have an arlecchino video tmrw discussion on jist that topic but ya wasnt the best fatui situation Sandrone has to be from Fontaine so what gives?

@kyokosakura3192 2 ай бұрын

Arlecchino tried to murder Furina. She isn't chill at all. She literally is a wolf in sheep's clothes. Kind side wears white clothes, while evil wears black.

@xX_N_E_O_Xx 3 ай бұрын

I agree that gods of the current era are simply taking on the appearance of humans to blend in and also to make it a sign marking the end of the draconic era, Morax used to take the form of a dragon, besides the archons are the most supreme and strongest incarnation of their element as Ei says. Lastly, if Celestia ends up being overthrown by the Fatui, it's most likely that the new order - whether it's made by the Fatui or someone else, it's gonna walk down the same path, I highly suspect we disagree with the Fatui and confront them. Side note, I don't believe the Tsaritsa is being manipulated, I rather think she is agonized by what happened to khaneriah and the injustice of Celestia.

@Your_moms_waifu 3 ай бұрын

My head cannon is that the tsaritsa and fatui are actually trying to replace the primordial one, four shades, and seven gods. Pierro as the primordial one, the first four harbingers being the shades, and the remainder of the eleven becoming gods. It would explain why they were trying to turn scaramouche into a god and why the tsaritsa let’s Pierro run the Fatui (if she no longer wants to be a god and wants to be free of her heavenly shackles). It also explains why Pierro isn’t actually a harbinger, since Capitano is probably harbinger #1 based on comments and lore. The number just fits too perfectly, especially considering there’s a position open for the 10th Fatui harbinger for no logical reason other than that they NEED 11 harbingers

@jonrebalonzo8248 3 ай бұрын

An interesting theory, I like it!

@TheGamerChronicles999 3 ай бұрын

Yeah precisely then the cycle maybe continues and in a thosands years with irminsul everyone alive will think they created humanity and the last 10 thosand years never happend

@isaiahhaley4816 2 ай бұрын

That’s just wronge I’m sorry the tsaritsa is trying to take down the foundation of celestia and pierro is from khaenriah Why would he even want to become a god especially since the gods are the reason his home was destroyed or more specifically celestial, was the reason his home was destroyed it makes no sense especially since the academia and dottore were the ones who tried to create a god for Sumeru dottore simply wanted to see if it was possible it makes no sense to replace the priority one with something that’s even worse the fatui are not good but nor are they evil they have their own mischievous intentions as well so they’re not going to become gods, or become the new arc, because it simply doesn’t make sense and defeats the purpose on why the organization exist in the first place

@Your_moms_waifu 2 ай бұрын

@@isaiahhaley4816 The tsaritsa of all people would know that an authority over Teyvat is necessary and they might be trying to overthrow the current authority just as the next samsara starts, since we know that the current one is about to end. Also I can’t be convinced that Dottore, harbinger #2, was in sumeru for so long and spent so much energy on creating a god out of another harbinger and doing all of those experiments on Scaramouche unless it fit their overall goals as an org. His testing and a lot of the human testing in Teyvat is centered around creating a higher level of being or fixing the weaknesses of man, and that’s probably connected to where the archon quest is going. They’re literally trying to turn mortals into higher beings

@isaiahhaley4816 2 ай бұрын

@@Your_moms_waifu there not trying to turn mortals into higher beings, the entire point of teyvat is that humanity should be preserved three ions, even sacrifice their lives just so there nations could be safe well technically five if you count egeria since she did die too but also protected her nation as well but the major difference in dottores experiment is that they used a puppet that was created by a god themselves which means they have some kind of divine essence also, you can’t head canon the fatui overthrowing, celestia only to be the very gods they are trying to go up against because it’s not canon. It can be your theory but it’s a head canon that’s doesn’t make any sense you’re essentially saying that the fatui are going to defy the gods just to be the very thing they despised when that’s really not the case at all the fatui he’s trying to take down the very foundation of Celestia and the heavenly principles themselves not become it especially since making the harbingers gods is not a good idea arlecheeno and dottore clearly have there own intentions, especially since they don’t care do they have to hurt to get what they want so why the hell would the tsaritsa want to make them primordial gods that are likely to do more than actual good and you saw what happened to scara when he became a god for brief moment, he even tried to kill nahida becoming gods is not there goal, but rather I believe they intend to use the gnosis to resurrect the 3rd descend into a primordial god that actually cares abt teyvat and would protect and help them rather than cause more suffering

@davidross4697 3 ай бұрын

there is actually texted in game that sorta confirm the idea of humans being here all along i

@crownedking_cj8890 3 ай бұрын

The first descender created humans, there were only elemtal beings in teyvat before he came

@OasisShop-nl5xs 3 ай бұрын

as far as we know but thyere is stuff that suggest otherwise also history of the battle in the heavens is also had different takes so nothing is confirmed forsure@@crownedking_cj8890

@Negolossauro 2 ай бұрын

We already saw the concept of an existence creating another existence with it's own "parts": Egeria created the Oceanids, Focalors created Furina, etc. So, my guess is that all Teyvat's gods are actually creations of the 4 shades or something with this greatness, like Egeria was created by the shadow of life, and Venti is "a breeze from the god of time's thousand winds". Since one create another, the creation is in a lower "level" of divinity. Bit of Aerosiderite description: "The coastal nations of Teyvat refer to the region beyond the protection of The Seven as the Dark Sea. It is said that many defeated gods refused to live under the new order of The Seven, so they fled to remote islands and became evil gods. However, THEIR POWERS CAME FROM THE SAME SOURCE AS REX LAPIS, separate from this all-devouring darkness."

@tristhekid 3 ай бұрын

“O almighty sovereign, the universitas magistrorum has provided the predictions you have requested: the two stars have been captured by the world’s gravity… After a lengthy orbital period, today their paths shall intertwine once more”. I find this very intriguing, it’s from a name card. Achievement: Orbits. I get the gist of it but who is the sovereign that requested the prediction? And who gave the prediction. Also I am firmly of the belief that Paimon is a stripped down version of the primordial one, purposefully because she didn’t want to be hunted down in some form.

@kotarouinugami1745 3 ай бұрын

I think the sovereign is King Irmin, the king of Kaenri'ah who is kinda like Odin. No human in a world ruled by archons would call himself "almighty sovereign". Seems out of character for all the archons we know too. More importantly, the two stars seem to be the twins, and they are connected to Kaenri'ah, not to King Deshret or the Primordial One or anybody like that. On the other hand, "universitas magistorum" is Latin, and we have yet to encounter a Latin-themed country. Enkanomiya is Ancient Greek, Fatui are Italian (unlike Snezhnaya, which is Russian), and Kaenri'ah is Norse. Which suggests that there is a civilization we do not know about yet, somewhere. Perhaps Remuria?

@decayinoblivion666 2 ай бұрын

This channel popping off. Good job bro.

@ExoriaFire Ай бұрын

The triquetra is a symbol of magical protection-wondering if she won’t betray us but rather sacrifice herself to protect either the world or Traveller.

@Windsofambience 3 ай бұрын

irminsul is such a fun plot device cause it allows hoyoverse to retcon ANYTHING at ANYTIME

@TheGamerChronicles999 3 ай бұрын

Ya they can mislead us all day and just pull that uno card like "yup false history gottcha"

@rogeliobaez3879 2 ай бұрын

It's not that the archons don't know who or what Paimon is, it's just that they avoid answering the question whenever the traveler asks them.

@Lord_Genesis_ 3 ай бұрын

Bro In neuvillette profile gods are said as fragments of primordial. What we know is Egeria was created by god of life for replacing heart(before it was sovereign) of primordial sea, same for venti he was wind spirit born from Istaroth, Shogun twin were incarnation of thunder. They all are fragments of primrdial elements and gods. We don't know what made celestia to start archon war after fight with 3rd descender but it must be serious. Because in starting there was only one taboo according to sun and moon and that was temptation( to forbidden knowledge). And Primordial one came here with some purpose, it's not like they were trying to be god of being they have created.

@TheGamerChronicles999 3 ай бұрын

Yeah that is most likely but what is that purpose? And all the thosands of gods that have lived in teyvat big or small what grand purpose do they surve truly?

@Lord_Genesis_ 3 ай бұрын

@@TheGamerChronicles999 But One thing I understand is all gods are not dead completly. All gods died but as archon wished other gods came back to life like in all nation after war ended.

@xX_N_E_O_Xx 3 ай бұрын

Well... Maybe gods were not on good terms at the time, or they were already fighting over territories and such. So Celestia probably started the archon war to end the conflict between gods, and let humans live their lives given they're the weakest population, hence why every archon led their nation based on their ideal and philosophy.

@DeltaDonsan 2 ай бұрын

In neuviletes profile it tells us why the archon war was started- the usurper had its functions ruined and had to give out its stolen power

@Lord_Genesis_ 2 ай бұрын

@@DeltaDonsan that can't be proper reason that their absolute control over tevyat was ruined and they started war for that. There must be more to this that we are not told yet. I have discussed this and they are not releasing Alice's sumeru adventure version as well because it has some info related to future quest. It will release only after that certain quest.

@Naruto4995 2 ай бұрын

VERY nice video! It's offered me some clarity though I don't agree on all points. In terms of what you described, I want to highlight the 'Control and Worship' aspects, and in tune, how they're the very core of what creates a Genshin God. If I were to simply summarize it, Gods within Genshin are merely wielders of Collective Human Faith. I find this different from Archons who not only wield a massively higher degree of this power in scale, but also hold the authorities of the Elemental Dragons via the Gnosis as a bonus. It really clicked within my mind. You could view the Archon War as not only a purging of gods, but also a focus of human faith into seven thrones, forging their 'authority' in order to manipulate the world on grandiose scales. Back then with multiple gods, such as the God of Stove and the God of Salt, these were concepts that garnered traction and the belief of humanity at the threshold but never to massive outputs, in kind, allowing them to manipulate this particular scope of the concept. So I believe the bigger question could be focused onto what enacted the need for change? What was the motivation to wire this potential with elemental power? Since I view these potentials; Faith and Elemental Power as two entirely different spheres. Gnosis and in kind, Visions have just made the two seem like it all hailed from a singular source. The 'God System' as I'd coin it heavily relies on humanity not only existing, but them DEPENDING on the entities that enacted a high scale level of faith. If we want to look at another wielder of this potential, except seemingly removed from The Primordial One's influence, we could look at the crystal that not only inspired Clothar, but enabled him with the abilities to create the Abyss Order. That felt like one of the defining moments that this was more of a 'technique' compared to a 'miracle' within Teyvat's sphere. The Crystal is wholly conscious, it chooses those that worship it, and further solidifies that fact by producing 'miracles' due to it's manipulation potential by I imagine having a bigger following than we first realize. For instance if the Hilichurls just unconsciously decide to revere this thing, let's imagine just how MANY of these existed even well before the Cataclysm, Khaenri'ah is just another massive spike in it's power due to this. So with the arms race on human faith and in kind, human will, I believe that taking a deeper dive on this may unearth some secrets on why humanity being selectively sustained, but ALSO created via means of Teyvat is very important. Important enough that tampering with such matters such as Egeria did can be pinned as a horrible crime by Celestia. Keep up the good work!

@dashhound8974 3 ай бұрын

Zhongli in recent lanter rite avoid Neuvillette fits so much better after watching this almost like hes ashamed cause like u say they dont have a choice their purpose was always corupt

@yakimlukanov6964 3 ай бұрын

Did he really avoid it ??? (Yes yes I know neuivellete its a dragon and far stronger then the archons) so don't start that nonsense

@kyokosakura3192 2 ай бұрын

@@yakimlukanov6964It was pretty obvious that he did.

@lunasquib 3 ай бұрын

I always thought gods in Genshin were too humanoid. Thanks to this video I now have a little theory in my head. A god indeed is just authority and worship (and lifespan) so gods are fake humans in a way. The adepti are seen as demi gods while they sometimes act more like a god than Zhongli. Someone like Ei never felt like a god to me. A god in my eyes is a neutral being, or a different moral compass.

@kotarouinugami1745 3 ай бұрын

There are basically only two options for human-like gods to appear. As opposed to decidedly nonhuman beings such as Melusines. First, is that back in the day when Teyvat functioned properly, humans could ascend to godhood, in a process similar to ascending to Celestia. And so, all the gods Teyvat has, were once humans. They may have forgotten their origins, or maybe they didn't, but their nature as humans remains. Second, that humans were made in Primordial One's image (or Primordial One in human image), and all the gods are shades of shades of the Primordial One, or something like that. You know, kind of like Marchosias turned himself into a myriad of little bears that ran around helping people.

@isaiahhaley4816 2 ай бұрын

Tbh none of the archons seem like gods and that simply because they’re too human for people to comprehend that they are gods the archons have human emotions they can feel sadness and grief they can feel love and excitement, though I kind of disagree that God is just worship and power if that’s the case then what makes a human a human appearance? No gods to me are being who have a special kind of power only able to be achieved with ambition and power and thats divinity to me I believe that God’s divinity is what makes them a God because to me I believe the divinity in a god is there ambition and will or more specifically their ambition, turning into a will that’s why vision holders have a chance to ascend to God, because if their ambition is strong enough, it can turn into a will

@sidlarson8374 3 ай бұрын

I really wanna know who Paimon is better not be something underwhelming when the story finally finishes up

@karandeepsingh9582 Ай бұрын

The lost fragment or a key to the throne.

@YinPatterns 2 ай бұрын

im gonna be so sad when the games story finishes but im also excited to rewatch all these theory videos and see if everything lines up with the story, though im sure theres more than just the last 2 regions since genshin impact will probably want to milk everything to make profit so maybe we will visit whats left of khaenri'ah, possibly fix it maybe? or something like that, i hope they actually come out with an anime, but maybe the anime will only come out once the story is over and thats why we have no information about it, because they arent close to done since they will find a way to make the story longer, i really hope they make the story something like all the archons, vision holders and adepti work together to defeat the heavenly principles or something cause in my head that looks so cool

@777dreamresort 3 ай бұрын

i strongly want to believe in the story ending up proving the real primordial one was the 1 and only "good hearted" god that created the human realm everything else is bitter considering the real world being driven towards destruction & poverty by those exact demons that were left free by aleister crowley & more the world is done bruh hoyo pls drop that happy ending hahaha

@user-rj5hz2ct6x 3 ай бұрын

I mean, it doesn’t seem like it’s headed in a happy direction in terms of not everything’s gonna end happily but it’s going to end with us finding our sister or brother

@kotarouinugami1745 3 ай бұрын

The way it looks, something is badly broken in Teyvat. And it's up to the Traveller to fix it. Because he has the heart and the willpower to make it happen. And whoever is in Celestia doesn't. Perhaps it would mean the Traveller becoming the ruler of all of Teyvat, sitting on a throne in Celestia. Perhaps it would mean breaking open the false skies, and Teyvat finally getting born from the egg. We shall see. But it would be a good ending. Even if many sacrifices would be made to achieve it.

@malucifer 3 ай бұрын

Irminsul didn't exist before the descenders came

@kotarouinugami1745 3 ай бұрын

The first references to supernatural tree are in Before Sun and Moon, in the Parable of the Tree. That parable probably explains something very crucial, if we could understand it. The events there probably happened when the Celestial Nails fell down, and many special trees, like the one in Dragonspine, were destroyed. Still, it suggests that Irminsul existed for a long time at that point. So it was probably created at around the same point as the Primordial One came, or possibly earlier. Or it could be, that the branches that the doves held when the Primordial One came, were branches of spirit tree somewhere outside of the world.