Celestion G12H-25 vs G12H-30 - Holy Grail vs Standard

[@wyrlismike]

Johan youve done more for helping me find my tone than anything else. Introducing me to the importance of which speakers to use for a great 70s hard rock tone has been a game changer, cheers!

[@addicted2shindig]

We NEED A SHIRT THAT SAYS “OK, LET’S GO!”

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hahaha! That’s kind of you

[@JBASH2011]

Those early g12h25s are apparently Brian Robertson's choice back in his days with Thin Lizzy (and one of my holy grail tones, check out the live 75 show on youtube). They both sound awesome, definitely more presence with the h25 vs the h30, but I expected that when comparing lead to bass versions. At any rate,, two killer speakers and thanks for the comparison Johan! Merry Xmas.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Glad to hear it! Merry Christmas!

[@stevencancel1727]

Robbo's tone was top notch in those days, my favorite!

[@popeye089]

I've been lucky enough to own both and for my taste and style, the G12H30 is my holy grail, it's the sound I grew up on.

[@JohanSegeborn]

That’s the more recorded one for sure

[@StuartKReilly]

Both sound absolutely wonderful. Can’t go wrong either way

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Stuart!

[@riccizanette9948]

Hi Johan, I have a 1982b cab from 1969 with t1281 speakers. I use it with a early 1969 Marshall 1959 slp. The sound is Killer. Congrats for your awesome channel

[@MultiZaphod]

As always, nice work Johan. Merry Christmas!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! Merry Christmas!

[@stefftrim]

Seems like I always late in commenting, Johan. Nothing to add, I just enjoyed listening to your playing. God Jul og godt Nytår, Johan

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Steffen! Glad to hear that. God Jul!

[@EddieWinebauer]

Why does KZbin hate showing me this man's awesome videos, im subed and have reminders on, still I have to search for them.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend!

[@jaycee30865]

Johan’s favorite. At last we know. Happy Jul sir. Miss seeing you three times a week. Big time.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Merry Christmas Jason! I am actually gonna start posting more frequently soon again

[@dustinrieseberg8707]

WOW. That G12H- 25 is magical. Love the G12H-30 as well, but that 25 has something extra going on. "Spatial Richness" is a great description.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! Yeah it’s ceramic tone with Alnico resolution

[@russelltaylor6230]

both sound great Johan but I would have liked to see a later G12H30-75hz thrown in for comparison since we are comparing a lead and bass cone speaker only here. I understood the point of the video to be comparing the 25w & 30w voice coils and we've got another variable here with the lead and bass cones. Cheers and thank you for another cool chance to hear some rare speakers!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! I compare this 71 T1281(55Hz) to a 71 T1217 (75Hz) here kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2esmX-ci9hph8k

[@mgalbu]

Awesome comparison like only you could do right. What a great setup to try those speakers. I'm going to have to side with the T1281. It hits all the right frequencies to my ears. The 25W sounds close but it's more nasal. The 30W has more guts. Thanks!!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Max! Glad to hear it!

[@eddieholmes3236]

If I can get up for the World Cup Final I can get up for this.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cheers Eddie! ;-)

[@DMSProduktions]

PHUCK the WC!

[@vintagetone22]

The holy grail of all guitar speakers period.great playing king.🎸🎸🎸👍👍🙏🙏🔥🔥🔥

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks man!

[@danilofaggiolino7125]

​they both sound great but the Holy Grail is unbeatable!!!!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Danilo!

[@DMSProduktions]

Not a LOT in it, but 25W was a bit more crunchy, the 30W a bit more throaty.

[@jordantee2383]

Just bought a pair from 68, sadly I'm not a fan of the top end, it's just to fizzy. But I bought a pair of the mojotone's and wow they're great speakers. I got the m type with the aged speaker cone.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah I love all the Mojotone Greenback style speakers

[@rocknrollboise]

Listening loudly on my Kali LP6's here, it sounds like the 25 had a certain harshness in the upper midi, whereas the 30 had a more balanced mid and upper mid range with no harshness at all, so the 30 wins hands down from here. Thanks for your incredible passion and thoroughness all around, man!

[@adamwatson6916]

Both those G12H30s have a serious Jimmy Page woody twang happening. The closet thing I have heard to Page tone on this channel so far

[@eddieholmes3236]

The G12H- 25 won 4-2 on penalties. Extra sparkle. Thanks Johan!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Eddie! ;-)

[@darrellminx5459]

Both are great but the 25 has better treble response to my hears and that is what I use on my JTM 45 rig. You can always turn up the bass on a Marshall amp but the treble is full on anyway so you can't add more. The 25s have a more Duane type feel to me.Great video as always. Thanks Johan! Cheers!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Darrell! Yeah the high end also reminds me of Duane’s D120 tone. Cheers

[@ricardadn]

Hi Johan, you make amazing videos. But I want to tell you that many guitarists need you to do "palm mute" more times to better assess the sound of the speakers. Gràcies des de Catalunya.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Ricard! That's great feedback, I indeed don't do enough palm mute. Cheers

[@mertmermerci218]

Great video! Is it safe to use a 2x12 with 25 watt greenbacks with a 50 watt amp (Friedman Smallbox). It will not be dimed and played with a fryette-ps2a

[@picksalot1]

I preferred the warmer sound of the T1281. Always interesting to hear how different or similar Guitar Speakers sound. Thanks

[@JohanSegeborn]

Glad to hear it

[@corneliuscrewe677]

Both sound really really good, but that 25 watter has the perfect mix of girth and cut. I doubt I could make them sound that good, however...

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Cornelius! :-)

[@truereligion7752]

Good work Mr Segeborn This 67 is a little bit tighter and more responsive in my opinion and I like that a little more

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks man, glad to hear it!

[@OgamiItto70]

I was really diggin' that 55-Hz H-30. Badass and thumpy and not boomy (based on what I'm hearing in the video on my computer through these headphones). The H-25 sounded really good, too. I bet two of each in X-formation in a 4X12 would sound pretty darn great.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@lordgraga]

Really nice sound engineering here

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, glad you like it!

[@Tools_and_Guitars]

Both are great, but I lean more towards the G12H25 here. It just has that special something to it. Imo, you can hear the 'Page' in the H30's and more of the 'Angus' in the H25's.

[@brennendehexe7934]

Which one would be better for homerecording with a marshall 1987x and an attenuator? Is the 25w speaker better suited for lower volumes or is it mainly about frequency response? Bc soundwise I preferred the 30s. They were less fuzzy in the top

[@MojoMedicineMan]

Always a pleasure 👍

[@ER-yq1lc]

With the 25, I hear more of the speaker, but with the 30 I hear more of the guitar. I might be biased, I have 30's in my '72 1982A.

[@Burnt_Gerbil]

The speaker is what creates the sound. That’s what you’re hearing.

[@memeacademy2295]

Both sounds Great i.m.o.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, glad to hear it!

[@VictorSC88]

Johan, will you be doing a comparison of modern G12H30 55hz style speakers like you did recently with the G12Ms? I’ve been holding off on buying new speakers until you do!

[@JohanSegeborn]

I’ve played most of them and you should really get the Mojotone British Vintage BV30H. Cheers

[@bengtjohansson6364]

Great sound from both speakers, with that great signal chain (including guitarist), but the "25" had something very special. Closed my eyes and repeated the video, and I must say I really love the "25" sound. Was the "25" in a closed back cab? Looks like the "30" was in a combo, open back I presume.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Bengt! Yeah the 25 was in a closed back and the 30 in a semi closed back. But I had stuffed both with blankets. It’s indeed a source of variation though. Cheers

[@bengtjohansson6364]

@@JohanSegeborn Thanks! Third watching and now I see the description, at 1:45.

[@Marc-lg6nk]

Hi Johan, very nice speaker comparing. I'm very familiar with the G12H25 55Hz from '67 as I have three pieces in a 1960b from '68 together with a G12H30 from '72. Mine have the SP444 cones with the double doping. What conetype are yours?

[@ro307805]

I actually believe that you would find the tone you want out of about anything that works. Class5 with 10" bulldog Celestion speaker I bet would be phenomenal

[@tozguitar]

Now theres a challenge if i ever heard one!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah with the right miking position and post EQ that would sound killer

[@ro307805]

@@tozguitar class5 a great amp held back by a stiff speaker. Once the speaker breaks in its a whole different amp

[@PedalScience]

Johan, would you ever consider making impulse responses of these? It would be very easy to do once you have the mics already set up for the video, and I'm sure many of your viewers (including myself) would pay good money for them!

[@brozio77]

30 is more darker sounding, i prefer it

[@ar-bg2fi]

you should profile some of your setups/signal chains.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah, i really should get around to do that soon

[@roba1899]

The G12H-25 has more of a 'rich, vocal magic' to it ..

[@GCKelloch]

The 25W may have a paper former. It sounds like it. More upper-mid emphasis and "woody" resonance character.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah it’s got the white paper voice coil former. The 30 has the brown former

[@GCKelloch]

@@JohanSegeborn Yep, Kapton plastic is brown.

[@stevencancel1727]

H55 bass cone sounds woody compared to H55 lead cone which is smooth and bright, prefer the lead cone in this one by a long shot would like to hear the 25 watt H lead cone vs H 30 lead cone that was factory in Orange cabs where the difference is only the voice coil materials

[@JohanSegeborn]

I’m comparing 71 H75 vs H55 here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mn6apJuPg9uMi8U

[@stevencancel1727]

@@JohanSegeborn guessing a lot of us would like to hear the early large magnet 25 watt lead cone vs the large magnet 30 Watt lead cone that came factory in the orange cabs

[@MrSandRune]

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[@JohanSegeborn]

Jag klickar i Õverdrivigt boxen Rune

[@MrSandRune]

@@JohanSegeborn Det er virkelig morsomt at du kan greie det.Selv maximal avstand til kunstnere,artister.Steinhardt lys i skjelettet.Mye moro 80-talls Hoollywood,pop musikk.Selvsagt ikke være tregt spill.Noe med 1-2-3 pyramide spill,og hoppingen i avstand til notene,grep,bass.Douglas i Wasp er veldig flink til det.Kunne gjerne brukt noe av din lyd.Steve Stevens i Top-Gun anthem har kul bassgang skulle vært brukt.Så 1 par videoer.Fått igang Strat Limited-Edition,alle hadde kastet,i misforståelse.Umulig,mye bedre.RESET amp-tullets,grøt.

[@dominikpohli2381]

you may compare 75hz with 75hz because 55 hz is warmer

[@Burnt_Gerbil]

Warmer? No, it’s just lower. 🤷‍♂️

[@DMSProduktions]

@@Burnt_Gerbil LOL!

[@Burnt_Gerbil]

@@DMSProduktions - What. Explain.

[@DMSProduktions]

@@Burnt_Gerbil NOTHING to explain Gerbs, just loling @ your reply to Dom, as it was ON point! You were correct, it can get a bit deeper than the 25! The 30 would only be 'warmer' if its upper freq range were less than the 25 watter. (Which I think it isn't!)

[@dominikpohli2381]

@@Burnt_Gerbil the 55 hz has a lack in the upper mids and highs why i describe it as warmer than the 75hz

[@BigTrouble324]

Sounds like SHIT! Just kidding. They are both awesome! 🙂

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Inge ;-)