greenbacks are amazing. they sit so well in a mix of a band.
@michaelallen9767 жыл бұрын
It's so funny how no matter what speaker you think sounds good, you always go back to the greenback. There's a LOT of magic in that speaker
@timothyjay20126 жыл бұрын
Michael Allen In my opinion the Greenback speaker design is the Best sounding Rock guitar speaker ever made!! Just my opinion of course. Lol
@benlloyd31556 жыл бұрын
Ha yeah. I just stopped trying other cabinets now because that always happens.
@georgefromgreece41193 жыл бұрын
It's the most familiar sounding for Marshall type rock sounds.
@cmurduh12 жыл бұрын
@@georgefromgreece4119 no it’s not.
@moustachio33410 ай бұрын
It's nostalgic. I imagine the greenback is probably the most recorded speaker on the planet.
@robotrobotmainmain10135 жыл бұрын
Greenback of course...love the Cream too...I think All celestions have his own magic in the right equipment
@AngryMuffinMusic2 жыл бұрын
Weird. In every other video, and in my experience, the Creamback 75 has more mid bite than the Green 30, but in this video the result is the opposite with the Cream sounding scooped. All depends on the amp, cab, settings etc. Also, with all due respect, the levels in this video were not right. The Cream is a much louder speaker but here the Cream clips were quieter.
@leelenton5 ай бұрын
I've never heard a creamback sound so bad myself, not quite sure what was going on here. Sounded like the greenback was in a closed cab and the creamback was a narrow open back amp, maybe just too small of an amp to drive the creamback. I totally agree with your comment. 😉👍
@JohnnyBGood-ii8kt8 жыл бұрын
Didn't think there would be that much difference, but wow, the Greenbacks are so much more clearer and louder, the Creambacks sound muddy.
@zaloraltest8 жыл бұрын
John Barber for me the Creamback got more mids
@tricko22867 жыл бұрын
MarkKiddGuitar yes, Greenback earlier breakup.. both great but depends upon your needs... Personally love the high mids of the Greenback... Creamback seems like it is missing something in the mids...
@andyjm71227 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't putting a 25W greenback into this 40W amp blow the speaker?? I much prefer the greenback but I don't understand how this is possible...
@zaloraltest7 жыл бұрын
AJ 606 The dsl got the pentode/triode selection. In the triode mode the amp delivers 20w, so the greenback can be played without fear.
@Alexhangman6 жыл бұрын
AJ 606, I play my 100 watt JMP through 2x12 Greenback 50 watt for 5 years yet. Everything is ok.
@glorideefaithperez28583 жыл бұрын
That Greenback has a beautiful warm tone with a raggedy edge to it, that is so charming! Could listen to it all day. The Cream sounds good too, if a bit clinical, next to Greenie. Both are very useful.
@qua77713 жыл бұрын
I have a pair of cream backs mixed in a cab with V-30's. The cream backs have a bit of a southern rock tone to my ears. They tame the V-30's nicely.
@poisedforduty4 жыл бұрын
the master volume was too low for the creamback to flex and shine!
@glassslide4 жыл бұрын
Greenback sounds great
@AudreyDurden5 жыл бұрын
thank you for posting. I was curious about these!!
@zaloraltest5 жыл бұрын
AudreyDurden you are welcome!
@AB7F94 ай бұрын
The creamback sounded juicy and delicious. Women love its sound.
@andyblakely75768 жыл бұрын
Creamback gets my vote!
@XlouietheflyX3 жыл бұрын
Just the change from single coil to humbucker steals all the Greenback's headroom compared to the Creamback. On the other hand that might be why the Greenback sounds great with single coils
@EnmandsBand15 жыл бұрын
Greenback!! I don't think I have ever heard a Creamback sound that thin and shrill, even the ones I have tried - strangely absent midrange
@johnnybrown95815 жыл бұрын
I played some creambacks at a guitar store the other day and they didn’t sound terrible but I wasn’t exactly impressed either... they seem too scooped for my tastes
@XlouietheflyX3 жыл бұрын
They are great mixed with Vintage 30s
@johnnybrown95813 жыл бұрын
@@XlouietheflyX it could’ve been that they were in an open-back cab
@voxpathfinder15r5 жыл бұрын
I think the creamback has a lot more doping along the top of the cone to help get that 65-75 watt rating, I think that doping chokes off a lot of those upper mids and highs that help for that classic rock breakup
@davidelia30973 жыл бұрын
I think overall the Greenbacks are best all around, while Creambacks geared more to a specific sound
@VEGAN-X7 жыл бұрын
GREENBACK FOR SURE, CLASSIC FOR A REASON
@adamwatson69166 жыл бұрын
which is better depends greatly on the amp . I find greenbacks are to loose on the low end in open backs cabs and combos but sound killer in closed backs. h magnet speakers are better in open backs as the h magnet has tighter low end and open backs have a looser low end did they compliment each other. h magnet speakers can sometimes have to much bass and sound boxy on closed backs. I also don't like greenbacks when the guitar has alnico 2 based pickups because the low-end can get fatty but they sound killer with alnico 5 based pickups . I like to use h speakers with alnico 2 based pickups . alnico 2 based pickups have a spongy low end so the tight low end of the h speakers compliment them well. the h speaker and alnico 2 based pickups are my favorite combo just enough low end with the right amount of tightness. you really have to consider the whole chain when choosing speakers..
@michaelbrodsky Жыл бұрын
Maybe he got them backwards
@jd4268 ай бұрын
Im on here because I think my mesa badlander sounds better with my evh speaker which is a greenback. The combo came with a creamback which sounds fine. But smoother with the greenie
@robotrobotmainmain10135 жыл бұрын
Please..?.can you make a comparative between Celestion ten 30 v/s Celestion 10” Greenback?..cheers from Patagonia Chile!
@michaelmcwilliams47055 ай бұрын
The Greenback has more mojo and the heavy Creamback just seems a bit too fizzy to my ear.
@firstlookphotography6255 жыл бұрын
I have a 4x12 Hiawat closes back w/ 2210 JCM 800 and I wanna switch to 2x12. I’m looking at a closed back Mojotone Slammins cab and I am torn on which speakers to use. Go with Greenbacks again or Creambacks???? I like my current greenback.
@zaloraltest5 жыл бұрын
Dave Decker if you want play without danger a 100w head in a 2x12 cab, it’s better the creambacks. For the rest...follow your ears and your istinct.
@firstlookphotography6255 жыл бұрын
@@zaloraltest Even if I don't take my level over 4? I prefer the tone of the G12H 75... I'm stumped
@zaloraltest5 жыл бұрын
Dave Decker I know, my same problem of many years. I have too much fear of destroy my speakers. I try many types of Celestion and at the end I put the G12T75 in my Marshall dsl 40c. It’s not a greenback but a wonderful compromise.
@tricko22867 жыл бұрын
Creamback if you like long hair and spandex. Greenback if you like girls 👍😵👍
@kospandx7 жыл бұрын
The King of Spandex says otherwise!
@lutkedog14 жыл бұрын
Am i listening to fret buzz or is that the speakers?
@tameroy6 жыл бұрын
Strange in this video id go green in most of the sounds, unlike other videos showing the H sounding better than the green
@thanovee59994 жыл бұрын
This test should have been with the Creamback 65
@stevenvanderwerff94884 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. Most relevant for the sound is placement of the mic. Any info on that?
@zaloraltest4 жыл бұрын
Studio Mono thanks! The mic is right in the center of the speakers.
@stevenvanderwerff94884 жыл бұрын
@@zaloraltest Cool, thanks for the info. I understand your choice for a comparison, but I think it makes especially the Creamback very harsh and thin. I would consider placing the mic 1/3rd towards the edge, from the center. That might simulate a more realistic working situation with a more balanced sound, so perhaps a fairer comparison. I love both speakers, but I'm used to the Creamback sounding a lot warmer, and aiming a 57 straight on the center isn't a very common choice, this theoretically gives you 100% of the edge/harshness and 0% of the smoothness/warmth.
@zaloraltest4 жыл бұрын
Studio Mono yes thanks, I know. This is a old video. From that time to now I have tried many positions. Try to listen this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqCnY6yXgcyIaLs
@thomaschilds87817 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, tackling precisely the question I have. What speaker to use to replace the stock 70-80 on the DSL40C. From videos I've seen, I love the greenback. They seem full and cutting without being fizzy or harsh, but I'm after something with higher wattage. I was hoping it was the G12H-75, but after the video, not sure it's for me, seems closer to the 70-80 with fizz. Other videos, I've seen of G12M-65 sound muffled, over-taming the DSL40C. Need to find something bang on the greenback sweet spot, but with higher watts.
@zaloraltest7 жыл бұрын
Thomas Childs For me the Greenback is the best. But the best high-watt speaker is the Creamback 65. Lovely bass and more treble-less.
@tricko22867 жыл бұрын
Thomas Childs Creamback for the higher Gain of the DSL40 - Greenback is only 25 watts and more suited to a Vintage tone
@OperationEndGame7 жыл бұрын
Thomas Childs Classic Lead 80 is probably right in your alley.
@FrankSymphony7 жыл бұрын
Zaloral did you find a high wattage speaker that doesn't sound muffled?? i've got the same conclusion about green vs cream...
@slingster6 жыл бұрын
The Creamback is a huge improvement over the stock speaker in the dsl40c. Still I like the greenback mid chunky sound. I'm going to try an Eminence Legend GB128. It's a 50 watt greenback clone only comes in 8 ohm just have to plug into the 8 ohm jack.
@Nirond7 жыл бұрын
i prefer the GreenBack
@florinmannck5918 Жыл бұрын
It ain't a fair comparison with flat EQ and the same gain settings. I have played both on the same amp and the same guitars and there is no such difference when you dial your tone. I agree that in this video particularly the greenback sounds "better", but this is not the same in real life situations.
@zaloraltest Жыл бұрын
“There is no such difference when you dial your tone?” This is a very strange thing my friend. There’ a many difference between the two speaker, olso if you work on eq.
@FrankSymphony7 жыл бұрын
Did you change stock bias on the amp?
@zaloraltest7 жыл бұрын
FrankSymphony absolutley not
@ayewhaddupdoe4 жыл бұрын
so much clipping going on. I can't tell what is the speakers and what is your converters clipping.
@zaloraltest4 жыл бұрын
EmarcyProductions I try to survive
@gkol697 жыл бұрын
The Creamback 75 is supposed to mimic G12H-30 which has more treble than the G12M greenback. The greenback equivalent is the Creamback 65.
@brunojacq54736 жыл бұрын
The Greenback G12M has nevertheless much more treble than the Creamback G12M ! Creamback with a big bottom ! Good for Jazz ;-)
@davidgerlach113219 күн бұрын
@@brunojacq5473 To my ears, the Greenback G12M sounds fully, bigger, and more balanced and just more open and musical.
@stevieklaer93476 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know which one I like more for an extension cab, and then I remembered that I can just use both.
@adamwatson69166 жыл бұрын
both are nice but I always prefer the tighter low end ad openness of h magnet speakers.
@DNTMOOD2 жыл бұрын
For me: Grenback for sinlge coil, Creamback for Humbucker & 7 Strings!
@hugomejia5934 жыл бұрын
Celestion Greenback best to Singles, Creamback with humbucker Yet
@noirelectrique87825 ай бұрын
here the greenback is insane
@PvtGrips-vh7ti7 жыл бұрын
Creamback is thin and reedy while greenbacks sound like rock guitar should
@brunojacq54736 жыл бұрын
Creamback thin ???? It isn't possible !
@rydoggsc27 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@tonefingerz20217 жыл бұрын
i ran dsl40 head to randall jaguar cabinet speakers in my vids if wanna hear
@robertw18712 жыл бұрын
I’m looking for something warmer, the cream sounds warmer, but no clarity…. Uggggh…. I guess EQ is still your best friend…
@zaloraltest2 жыл бұрын
Not “the” best but one of the best 🤣
@metallion28795 жыл бұрын
There is no winner, it just depends how you want to hear the ears? They are both good! Many guitar players are always with sound busy, might be better to get more involved with your guitar playing than always with that sound!
@mikeagajan16085 жыл бұрын
Is this a 10 inch speaker?
@zaloraltest5 жыл бұрын
Mike Agajan 12
@chopperking0073 жыл бұрын
One of each is the go.
@rendyandrian71497 жыл бұрын
Superb comparison. Both of them are good speaker with very different characteristic. With clean sound, Greenback sounds loose and trebly. Creamback is tighter, more mid, smooth, and controlled. With crunch or lead, greenback becomes a little bit thicker and lose a bit of its treble. Overall, it still retains its trebly character. The creamback's mid becomes really prominence. How do you describe the character of these speakers in real life ??
@zaloraltest7 жыл бұрын
Rendy Andrian I love the Greenback more than other speakers. But the Creamback got more volume, mids and presence. The clean sound is better with the Cream, also with the high gain distortion. But the Marshall crunch with the Greenbacks make the history...😉
@thracian20723 жыл бұрын
That's weird. To my ears, it's the creamback that sound thinner, treblier, and even harsh. It's best sound was the 7 string distortion where it's low end was tighter than the greenback's, but that's it.
@CamRebires7 жыл бұрын
Imo, the greenbacks are the clear winners. For me, the creambacks are shattering too much.
@SlinkyT826 жыл бұрын
In an X pattern for the win? 🤘
@zaloraltest6 жыл бұрын
I tried it in a 2x12. Creamback got a more db and greenback goes into the background
@jaychen2000metal4 жыл бұрын
What i'm thinking
@nandoholgado30506 жыл бұрын
I have just seen a video where the creamback kicked the ass of the greenback. Here both sounds totally different and now i don't know what i want and what i will found on each one. I think i will sell my guitar and all my gear and buy a ukelele, can't hold this.
@zaloraltest6 жыл бұрын
Nando Seiscuerdas 😂😂😂 good luck!
@adamwatson69166 жыл бұрын
Nando Seiscuerdas the same speaker can sound completely different from on amp to another. its important to try and Match the circuit to the right speaker you really have to look at how you're amp is voiced . a greenback might not be a good choice if an amp is already voiced heavily towards the mids or is light on the low end. sometimes amp makers design the circuit with a specific speaker in mind so sometimes the best choice is a speaker that is not to radically different from the stock speaker. some manufacturers just use what's the most economical at times too though. creamback h75 is a great alternative to a v30. quite different but not radically so. same magnet same db dating both have alot of cut in the upper mids although with the creamback they are not as pronounced because the speaker is better balanced if an amp is not designed with a greenback in mind they may not work as well.
@2dazetake Жыл бұрын
The cream back sounds like it loses a lot of the over tones the green back has,if you really listen to them,the green wins,hands down.
@dario51508 жыл бұрын
Greenback 25
@Martyr99917 жыл бұрын
I want a 2x12 with one of each. Too bad the greenback only comes in 25W.
@Alexhangman6 жыл бұрын
I play my 100 watt JMP throught 2x12 Greenback 50 watt for 5 years yet. Everything is ok.
@adamwatson69166 жыл бұрын
FEARS you can use a creamback m65 which is voiced to be higher wattage greenback . they don't sound identical but they are close the creamback 65 has those woody greenback mids and the bass is much tighter and won't fall apart when pushed hard.
@frankyquintanilla28283 жыл бұрын
Glad that green back didn’t blow up!
@unabonger7773 жыл бұрын
now compare untuned guitar to tuned guitar
@robertshamansky19126 жыл бұрын
Greenbacks sound the best to me
@grambo17267 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately this isn't a fair comparison between a Greenback and Creamback. What you are really comparing is the difference between "M" and "H" magnets. Putting a Greenback G12 M against a Creamback G12 H is going to be night and day 10/10 times.
@zaloraltest7 жыл бұрын
G Rambo This is not a comparison of a same type of magnets or other. It's a simply test of difference between two different speaker. Don't must be a nerd discussion. Only a simple test.
@mateinegriu7 жыл бұрын
Gosh, if you want Greenback character, it seems you must go for Greenback. That's a letdown :(
@stevenmiller97736 жыл бұрын
The recording kept clipping on the cream back, because it was louder. That's why it got muddy.
@DiosDragon11112 жыл бұрын
im green 😭🤣💚
@303acidxtc7 жыл бұрын
Greenback was better until the 7 String came. The it was the Creamback for the win. The mid punch of the Creamback helped the clarity of the 7 String.
@chasingtone57485 жыл бұрын
Greenback
@goldstrat6052 ай бұрын
Greenback sounds way better to me.
@Rooster7six6 жыл бұрын
Creambacks seem to have a lot less low end
@adamwatson69166 жыл бұрын
Rooster 7six in person the creamback has a much bigger low end. the creamback low. the creamback also has a very tight low end where the greenback end is very loose. I find sometimes if a speaker has a loose low end it van give the impression of having more low end the u string section is s perfect example of that.
@Rooster7six6 жыл бұрын
Adam Watson that makes sense. I've only AB'd them at home against a V30. In my cab the V30 seemed to have more low end. But I still liked the creambacks better
@jaychen2000metal4 жыл бұрын
I hear the opposite. More bass in cb
@TheXxPSYCHO4 жыл бұрын
Timestamps!
@zaloraltest4 жыл бұрын
Psychotic Horse Meat sorry I don’t understand
@mika-hp5ch8 жыл бұрын
Creamback is much more scooped than the Greenback which is full of mediums
@zaloraltest8 жыл бұрын
mi ka A lovely mids!
@jawsrock15 жыл бұрын
I say 212 cab with both!
@zaloraltest5 жыл бұрын
jawsrock1 it’s a really good idea
@DarkoP9.134 жыл бұрын
ye get 50 watts that way
@hugomejia5934 жыл бұрын
Greenback to a Fender sound. Creamback Better to a Gibson
@kenaiello48517 жыл бұрын
Wassup brother?
@zaloraltest7 жыл бұрын
Ken Aiello too cold my friend, I'm waiting for the summer... and you?
@kenaiello48517 жыл бұрын
Same here man! any new stuff with the JCM yet?
@zaloraltest7 жыл бұрын
Ken Aiello not yet. soon comes a reverb test on the Jcm
@lyric.kayden5 жыл бұрын
Creamback it is but damn this audio or quality is s**t and definitely not a good representation of either of these speakers. Look elsewhere for a review.
@zaloraltest5 жыл бұрын
Lyric Klein yeah you right friend. now I will get a mortgage and I will build a professional recording studio
@lyric.kayden5 жыл бұрын
Zaloral well I didn’t mean to step on your toes and I don’t believe it takes a professional recording studio to get good sound quality. These days it’s more than easier to get great sound quality for not much money. I was doing some things old school because I’m 35 until a young 25 year old was like hey try this and it blew my mind. I was out of technology world and focused on just the old school bare tools. New tools, software, recording gear and more is so much cheaper, accurate and readily available to everyone and within budget of everyone. And you just buy little things at a time. And years ago this was not the case. For the most part a lot of artists record now from home, in the bathroom and wherever with today’s advancements. It doesn’t take an actual studio, a second mortgage, selling one of your kidneys or selling your first newborn. Again sorry if I stepped on your toes or sounded like an ass. Chin up and take a look around and you’ll find some great stuff. Btw I checked out your other videos and your a great player and seem like a genuine cool guy. Keep it up 👍
@zaloraltest5 жыл бұрын
Lyric Klein don't worry, I wasn't offended, mine was a joke. I think that professional recordings are especially useful for those looking for a professional sound. But the vast majority of musicians play by passion, and when they record the sound they hear is like the one I propose: homemade and imperfect. Often it happens to buy a pedal hear it on its web site and then be disappointed hearing it play live at home. Maybe I'll have to change the name of my channel with: "gear test for dummies" ... 😂
@lyric.kayden5 жыл бұрын
Zaloral you make a good and valid point.
@peteyoung7665 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how horrible the creamback 75 sounds.Probably the worst Celestion speaker ever made.