Celestion high gain comparison (only guitar tracks)

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Since people asked for this, I made a 'guitar only' version of my last Celestion speaker comparison.
Here's the comparison: • Celestion high gain co...
No highpass, lowpass or any EQ. This is what's coming from the microphone.
(Only masterbus was still on, so it doesn't clip)

[@ThevonMusic]

I've made a new comparison with 11 Celestion speakers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWiuoGRmmLaaeJY

[@JM-eq3sx]

0:01 G12-50GL (Lynchback) 0:42 G12H-30 1:23 G12M-65 (Creamback) 2:04 G12T-75 2:45 V30

[@ralpherl5657]

J Mhr Thank you!

[@kevincochran5361]

Creamback has it all...definition..nice tight girth..and warmth..it also seems to not color the sound as much as the rest..great riff!!

[@JorisGriffioen]

0:01 Lynchback 0:42 G12H 1:23 G12M 2:04 G12T 2:45 V30

[@JorisGriffioen]

When you switch quickly between them you hear the difference very clearly. Lynchback definitely wins for me. Has nice low end but also still the presence in the high mids .

[@padywac1970]

Thank you!

[@williamfoster1034]

Great video. The only one that sounds uniquely different with that level of gain is the G12T-75, which is why I suppose my Marshall cabinet has those speakers. The best for metal. Great riff and great playing!!

[@ma-jb5im]

Awesome, thanks! Made my decision to buy a G12T-75 to mix with my V30s, and now I'm excited.

[@chillpillology]

I have a Bogner Ubercab 4x12 and that is indeed what they loaded them with - 2x v30 and 2x G12T-75.

[@jeffmclowry]

Interesting. All the speakers except the G12T-75 12 sound deeper. The G12T-75 12 has this real crisp, seething overdrive. I like all of them but I think this one really rocks. Thanks for posting this. Jeff

[@flippy7035]

The G12T sounds so chunky and unique. One of my favorite elements from my favorite tones and it's missing too much from today's albums.

[@XChristianNoirX]

Just got the 1984 v1 versions recently! Vented back

[@StandTallTx]

The mids are way too scooped. Would be fine if you're playing by yourself, but in an actual band setting you will have a hard time cutting through. I think it's one of the reasons why a lot of people will swap out two of them for V30's in a 4x12 cab.

[@michuSQ]

Great riffs dude! My favoirite is g12h

[@WillemvanBalen]

G12T-75 seems the most agressive to me.

[@DavidRavenMoon]

The G12T-75 has a nice fat low end.

[@x7stringinJSCx]

Lynchback was my favorite. Sounded like more bass than the V30 at the end. And for me that is perfect. I'll have to look into those speakers.

[@nealixd.3011]

Thanks, I can hear my G12T-75s are good speakers from this video and J M's very handy time markers he put below. Might remove them from an old Crate G250 for other applications, and either sell the crate of just use it for a clean reference amp or bass head, etc., it has a really good clean solid state tone, unusual. An often overlooked Celestion speaker that really has a huge, fat bottom end is the higher wattage G12T-100. Their bass response is just amazing and they are decent priced at a penny shy of $100 right now.

[@bushkey]

Looking at the label on the V30, looks like it's a Mesa V30. Different then a straight up V30. The Mesa V30's are a bit smoother with more low mid shift. The Mesa30 and the Lynchback are a good mix by the way.

[@ThevonMusic]

Yes, Mesa V30

[@whoisthenext1]

Every type of speaker has his own musical genre and for this one the best to me is G12T-75. If the samples was about Blues style maybe the Creamback was the choice.

[@jameslevittgold]

G-65 Has the lows and highs, Fits the track great

[@bradhargis2261]

V30 and Creamback combo for the win.

[@MitsuMetal]

Love the 75s, ffs.

[@giovannirossi2488]

For me the best!! G12T-75

[@flippy7035]

THRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@runnningonempty]

FER FUCKS SAKE!

[@sebastien7829]

IMO T75 for rock 60' 70' and V30 or G12H30 for hard and modern rock. It depends on amps, guitar and fingers too.

[@jublaim]

Thanks a lot for this. To my ears the Lynchback and G12H30 share the same sort of "texture" in their sounds. Lynchback just the darker version. Creamback old school "wooly" with not as much presence in the mids. V30 is boring but got mids. G12T75, not much mids but upper mids and treble. Soundwise, I would choose G12H30 in a 4X12, Lynchback in a 2X12 and Creamback in a 1X12.

[@ImAFuckinDevil666]

The Creamback's have more of an Obituary sound to them. The G12T-75's sound tighter though.

[@nicholastotoro7721]

Surprised the Lynchbacks and the V30’s sounded so similar to me in this recording. Still prefer the Greenback, not even close. There’s a punch to it you can hear even in this and when you’re playing at band volumes and it growls at you... very nice.

[@ecorona21]

I really liked the first one, I just build a 2x12 cab whit v30 and I love the sound vs my 4x12 1960 Marshall loaded whit the G12T75. great vid!!!

[@timmyferrell8385]

Damn this is excellent...creamback hands down

[@chillpillology]

If there is bass and a mix, i would match the g12M creamback with this v30. Similar mids but complementary. Lynchback is a better version of the g12t-75, totally doable. Imho the 75 is too fizzy and scooped for this amp - in the mix it would get high passed, mid bumped, and prob end up with too much sizzle in the steak.

[@StandTallTx]

Even for metal, I think the G12T is a poor choice on its own. The mids are just so scooped and lack any sort of definition. It really needs a different type of speaker to compliment it. The cream back is the real winner to me. Sounds good on its own or with other speakers for different genres.

[@stevewalsh5479]

THIS is the way comparisons should be done, people! Not a 3 minute song on one speaker or pedal and then by the time the next one starts you forgot the first. And no talking! If this was an Anderton's video, it would have taken 45 minutes the way those baked goofs blather on.

[@ThevonMusic]

Haha, I'm glad you appreciate my approach of assembling these comparison video's. I'll do some new video's pretty soon, maybe use some different mics as well on every speaker.

[@underpressureman]

Do you know if the G12H-30 Anniversary’s only ever had one model? Like were they only ever made in China, or are there UK made one’s as well? Just curious if you know. I really dug the sound of them and the Lynchbacks in this. What amp/cab were you running?

[@domidigital]

I have one that explicitly states "Made in England", don't know how old this is, however. Cheers!

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

Creamback for me, it has that vintage 80's voicing I love so much...t75 for death metal is good too...and strangely enough the vintage 30 in this demo sounds muffled and not harsh or acid like would be in real life.

[@jhonpasquez6145]

The worst being vintage30 of course. The standard speaker for metal for whatever reason.

[@tinolombajr.8864]

Ahhh, the 5150II..."Able to shave hair follicles off ears at 50 paces..." The amp used in any speaker shootout is important, and the 5150II is one bright ass amp, I had one, and pairing it with my 1960A stock loaded with it's G12 t75's was not good, as evident in this shootout. Now I use a JCM2000 and I'm much happier. Nothing wrong with the 5150II, it's agreat amp, like I said, I had one for many years, but it was a sort of one trick pony, and the pots started to crackle after only 5 years or so :( Lynch back's are good, I like the Creams and the G12 H, and of course the V30's...then again, everythign will soudn better than the 5150II through the stock G12 T75's. Get a armer amp and then the other seakers will sound too dark. Bottom line: Different speakers for different amps. Do the same shootout with a JCM 2000 DSL/TSL and let's see what happens. ;)

[@ThevonMusic]

I used to have a JCM 2000 head, sounds a bit too harsh for me, but I'm not really into Marshall amps anyway. Actually it's a 5150 III (the ones made by Fender), not a 5150 II. Not to be rude, but I've played those T75 equipped 1960A cabs in a band and I totally don't like those cabs. Did you ever try your 5150 II over another cabinet? Depends on what sound you're after ofcourse but I'm definitely not a fan of those Marshall cabs, especially if you want a modern high gain tone. Maybe you're more into crunchy tones, so that's a different story.

[@tinolombajr.8864]

No, never tried it with anything else. The JCM did it for me, but i'm conservative with the gain, i use the crunch and lead channels on 4-5, set all the tones to max, and actually mod the sound by just changing gain and presence, which I keep about 60-70%. Same with the 5150II...I used to keep gain around 3-4 in the lead channel, but at the time, I was using a Charvel Jackson w DiMarzi ToneZone, which is a high output, fat bottom pickup, one of the best replacement pickups ever, IMHO. I don't think the preamp tone does anythign good for changing the sound...if you set any tone (low, mid, high) to less than full, that aspect seems lacking, so I always jsut set tones to full....the actual 'tone' comes from the circuitry...trying to change the tone with some pots is going against the 'nature' of how the circuit actually sounds...once again IMHO. Can't afford it now, but i have 2 1960A's atm, both stock w T75's, and when I can, I will prolly upgrade one to have V30's in it, or maybe a set of Lynchbacks. I still have my 5150 combo, but it's been modded, and the harmonics it puts out is insane...the stock Scheffields are some of the worst speakers ever, and when I run it thru one of the 1960'sm, the harmonic content is dazzling...takes a little getting used to, but it is glorious in it's own way. It has had about 30% of the parts inside replaced, and the tubes are NOS JAN Philips 6L6's and the preamp has a NOS Mullard in V1, and premium selected 12AX7's for the rest...it's not an ordinary 5150 combo, lol,

[@tinolombajr.8864]

btw, on the 5150 II, (and the modded 5150 combo I still have) I actually prefer the 'Rhythm' Channel distortion sound to the Lead channel, it was far beefier, crunchier and *musical* than the Lead channel, which when I did use, I kept at around 3-4 gain, Res maxed, and Presence around 7-8. My Current axe is a solid mahogany, set neck ESP with EMG active pickups, btw.

[@ThevonMusic]

I never tried other speakers in the 1960 cabs, because they were not my own cabs, but you could also put lynchbacks + v30's in an x pattern in there, so if you want to use your cab for recording purposes you can choose between two different speakers. The 1960's equipped with T75's were always very earpiercing/too harsh sounding imo. Sounds like a lovely guitar you have there. I don't own an ESP, only LTD's so far, but would definitely consider getting an ESP in the future.

[@tinolombajr.8864]

Yep, the head and speakers work together. A lot of the fizz in today's sound is from so much preamp gain. In the 70's, "heavy metal' like Zep and Deep Purple are actually sooo 'clean' compared to today. Back then, the heads were cranked and the distortion was from the power tubes and speakers strained out. In order to emulate that blasted sound, MArshall came up with the 'Master Volume' scheme, as almost all amps are now; there's a pre-amp gain, and a power amp (volume), and players get addicted to that high gain, bc it hides so much slop, but that fizz gets annoying. Playing a clean amp, like a Fender Blues Jr maxed out exposes all the skips and misses in my playing, but the sound is such a natural distortion without that metallic fizz.

[@sidmalicious]

Creamback. I have the G12T-75 and it's pretty much an unused one-trick pony, maybe better with something else. I've found various versions of V30's to be great in different cabs, most recently a Neo Century open back.

[@MICKEYISLOWD]

They all sounded similar with slightly less/more low end barring the G12T-75 which had too much high end sizzle for my liking. The Lynch and V-30 had same lows and top just voiced a little different in the mid punch but had a lovely smooth pleasing to the ears sound. Line6 speakers sound poo!

[@gwEmbassy]

Liked the lynchback

[@somebodyelseuk]

If you're a bedroom player, you buy the one you like the sound of. If you're in a band you buy the one that won't disappear in the mix. The two "worst" sounding ones are probably the best ones for a gigging/recording guitarist.

[@wakjob961]

Nice job!

[@JM-eq3sx]

Thanks!

[@CelestionUK]

Great comparison!

[@givemeajackson]

i liked the creamback a lot. i'm currently using classic leads and like them very much, but i might try an x pattern mix of those two.

[@ThevonMusic]

+givemeajackson Yes, I think the creambacks are both just incredible and they just work for practically any kind of tone. I'd say go for it!

[@givemeajackson]

TecksMusic i'm starting to develop a cabinet hoarding syndrome...

[@Lutzifer31337]

i m surprised to see so much love for the G12T-75 in the comments. I have a marshall cab with those and am looking to replace them, because of how they sound. I m used to it, to eq around it, but it is the least good speaker imho xD

[@ThevonMusic]

I'm also not a fan of those Marshall cabinets with T-75's, they can sound really harsh, but the speaker itself is definitely not bad because you can get rid of the harshness with your microphone position. Have any speakers in mind to replace them?

[@Lutzifer31337]

@@ThevonMusic thanx for the reply! I m currently thinking about making the cab lighter as well, so i m planing to upgrade my marshall cab with 2 x neo creambacks and 2 x BN12-300S (both celestion). Also thinking about getting 2 x eminence DV-77, if they ever get available :D

[@arisl2370]

The Lynchback has quite a bit of low end for a fairly small magnet size..maybe more so than the creamback 65 ?

[@jimcatmandude9316]

I could deal with any of these, not much difference in this video but I've seen others with a big difference...

[@andreydyumaev5131]

Lynchback OWNS, creamback BLOWS, t75. ..bores. H30 sounds kinda weird (wrong for the style or amp?). As to V30, never sounded good alone - needs a CL80/MC90 in the mix

[@TheMrturn1]

Andrey Dyumaev I don't know what environment you worked v30's with, but that's like saying you don't like the Blue. I've a pair of V30's in my vintage (1985) Carvin X Amp 100W all tube combo (XV212) and I've yet to hear a better head/speaker combination.Whenever I hit a note, clean or dirty, I and everyone else in the room creams in their dry goods. Truly incredible speaker when used correctly.

[@endrizo]

Thank you.

[@edwardcullenhotass]

They all sound killer. Which one did you like best?

[@ThevonMusic]

The Creamback is my favourite and I always love V30's, although this wasn't my best take with the V30 speaker. The Creamback has this awesome oldschoolish vibe, which works great for clean/crunchy tones as well. An all around great alternative in my opinion.

[@soundzofnoize8603]

Cool

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

how did you record this? what mic, placement and audio interface please?

[@timeiseverything4]

The lynchback was the best metal speaker and they discontinued it

[@ThevonMusic]

It's definitely one of my favourites too for a warm and modern high gain sound.

[@timeiseverything4]

@@ThevonMusic I have 2 on the way to replace my V30's I am very excited

[@jenshendriks9092]

I don't know if I like the v30's better or the g12t-75's

[@GioGuitarDude]

Having owned both, the v30s have an uncontrollable high end attack that borders on nagging old lady type of frequencies. I literally had to turn the treble down on the amp (which kills your tone) to battle that, but with the g12t-75, I find the highs more balanced but with less mids (which gives you an opportunity to boost the mids on your head EQ) for drop tuning or low gain blues, the v30s sound great, but I've gotton equally good tones from the t-75s without having to turn my EQ knobs way counterclockwise

[@jenshendriks9092]

GioGuitarDude thanks a lot man! I think I want a set of g12t-75's

[@ThevonMusic]

Really weird you had to turn the treble down because the T75 is usually harsher in the high freqs than V30

[@GioGuitarDude]

+TecksMusic I'm talking about way upper treble frequencies, not mid-high. Even on your video, you can hear more definition in the picking sounds with the v30s due to that super high treble frequency.

[@wakjob961]

This is usually the case, but there are so many incarnations of the T75 that's hard to know which version someone is talking about.

[@franciscoj7120]

thanks fro tabs

[@jimmiemclovin]

Just wondering, (and although I've been playing for decades, I'm kind of a speaker virgin--so please be gentle.) could you use four out of the five in a 4x12? Or, would it be not do-able in a to over-the-top low-midrange kind of way? Or maybe wattage and/or frequency clashes? Idk, I'm new to the speaker swapping game. Great demo though, it actually separates the individual tones one needs to be able to hear and would use in this genre and similar high volume applications. I am definitely looking to push some air though my 100 watt DSL. Thoughts and opinions please??

[@ThevonMusic]

jimmiemclovin You mean 4 different speakers in a 4x12? As long as they share the same ohmage there's no problem. Another thing to keep in mind is the difference in volume between different speakers, so they won't be equally as loud when you play over the cabinet. I suggest you look into X pattern setups. I actually mounted 4 different speakers in my framus cab, just for fun, and it sounds great :-)

[@jimmiemclovin]

TecksMusic Thanks for the response. Initially I wanted to run (X pattern) two V-30’s-to cover the mid-range, with two G12H-30’s--as my friend has one in his Egnater cab and that particular speaker really has a tight, but huge low end response. What are your thoughts on that combination? Then I got to thinking if the ohms matched like you were saying, maybe two V-30’s, with one G12H-30, And, one G12T-75 because I’ve heard (but haven’t substantiated) that they have a well defined (but not thin) high end and equally clear wide lows. Thoughts? Or hell, maybe a Celestion blue or gold ($$$ or not)…maybe a different Celestion?? Idk. What do you think if any might work with a 100watt DSL playing loud stoner/doom? Thanks again and great playing btw! Oh, and are you still using your set-up with the four different 12”’s in your cab? And which combination did you use? And which ones were louder than the others? I know lots of questions…but hey, that’s why you posted your results with this vid right? Don't think it's not appreciated!

[@ThevonMusic]

Are you using a Marshall cab? It's hard to say what you will like, but I would personally add two Lynchback or Creamback M-65 speakers. The huge low end of your friend might just be his cabinet. I don't think the H-30 speaker has much more low end then a V30, atleast not that I remember (been a while since I used my H-30)

[@ThevonMusic]

TecksMusic Also, check out my last uploaded video for another Lynchback demonstration, I think the Lynchback came out really nice and it gained even more of my respect :-)

[@jimmiemclovin]

TecksMusic Yeah, that vid got me to this one. Great playing on that one as well. Really nice individual tones. The rhythm and lead tones were both so different I thought you might be using two different guitars. I just bought one of George's old cabinets, it's got all V-30's. And it's the one I want to get some different tones out of. Thank you very much for the info.

[@Ramo_Baramia]

i want to upgrade my marshall mx4x12 but dont know what should i put in i was going to put v30 and g12-75 but i want to try something different, maybe eminence speakers? anyone know good combo for marshall dsl 100hr head? i play heavy/thrash metal dont care too much for cleans lol any advice???

[@JavierPwns]

The g12T instantly is the sound of Metallica

[@SilverSalamandercom]

What were your amps tone control settings at? The Lynchback is my favorite.

[@rockcop222]

I’ve been thinking about doing an X pattern in my cab with two V30’s...but I’m torn as to what to pair them with. I play a lot of rock and metal.

[@ThevonMusic]

I personally would use creamback M65's , I think they're a great alternative for V30's and bet they compliment eachother great in a cab

[@steverherb]

Friedman actually puts V30s and Greenbacks in their 4x12s. The Creamback M65 would probably sound similar but your cab will handle a lot more power.

[@bernardohisse6718]

The riff is mostly like Dokken's... Lynchback tends to be the better

[@endrizo]

Hi people...which would you recommend for a 20 watts joyo bantamp zombie amp ?? Thanks

[@Defcon666]

That v30 sounded like you turned the bass and mids all down and cranked up the treble, never a fan of those !

[@TheRemizinho]

Creamback all the way for me, love em

[@mieszkoxanteusz4806]

Hello great comparison, which amp did you use ?

[@ThevonMusic]

EVH 5150 III, channel three

[@DavidLozano]

I thought both "30's" sounded good, and the Lynch's.

[@stevecarlsson8953]

Cool video! Could you please tell me will lynchback and V30 complement each other in a mix?

[@ThevonMusic]

Steve Carlsson Hmm, not sure, perhaps I should do some video's to compare mixed speaker sounds.

[@stevecarlsson8953]

That will be cool, I think they both cover a bit different grounds, as Lynchback is more GreenBack type of a speaker which is oppostie to V30. Thanks in advance.

[@Alfredo78666]

Where's Seventy 80's?!

[@soundknight]

No AlNiCo cream ? :(

[@GrMfull]

What is this riff origin ? It s really cool to ear

[@ThevonMusic]

It's just something I wrote for these comparison movies. If you want to hear my real music, you can listen to my EP here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIWmeZaLr56SgLc you can also find it on iTunes, Spotify, Deezer, ...

[@grinder2401]

What was the cabinet which you used here? Thanks

[@ThevonMusic]

Mesa OS straight cabinet

[@toadamine]

All sound the same besides g12t sounds a bit more scooped..

[@dafxtone]

Thanks alooooooooooot ! :)

[@Classix1969]

g12h30 by a mile, the rest sounded poor

[@casperado666]

G12T-75 had way fuller sound

[@roybuis7646]

Fucking hate the G12T-75 and the Vintage 30. Creamback and Lynchback sounded the best in this demo

[@MICKEYISLOWD]

Funny the Creamback and the V30 sound almost identical also the Lynchback was very close to the V30 in low end response.

[@jordangraf673]

I liked the Creamback too. The v30 was too fizzy

[@dafxtone]

First, Greenback M Second, V30

[@forrallofusplenty4342]

my god...so strange what qualifies as a good or even acceptable guitar tone sounds like crap, imo