The Gospel of Thomas

[@moesypittounikos]

This guy is the best scholar I have every come across. He has no axe to grind and is very chilled out.

[@vinm300]

Well said, he is an unpretentious scholar : an erudite Everyman.

[@jacknerdlord3244]

I cannot stop watching - my life would have been much different had this been available 20 years ago.

[@Chris_Sheridan]

.. problem is your ignorance means you can't tell the difference between truth and fiction. The dude is not a scholar - just glib talk that fools the uneducated who can't research for themselves.

[@Moe-xg6bu]

So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be

[@UntouchableLivingone-ji4un]

you can't even fake we the people . Play you understand the world who the hell said he with deaf ears will figure it out . Is no false prophets or test at the end of the age test none self proclaimed people proclaimed self choosen people choose for what false prophets all could proclaim are if keep it up . Sure as hell not even close to a debate at the end of the age pretend to be known before you born choose before you known before you born in it out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death born again in life without tasting death in Christ born 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death married the father walked the border Path the universe Way Path the old Way before there was a knew Way is in the father is his son out my true true virgin mother creator cause and effect in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in me and five stand as one known to the ALL proclaimed three times over he was born in life choosen before he was born known proclaimed three times over before he was born once. Blessed be the three times over before he was born known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death walked the true and just born Wat back to the father and true virgin mother creator out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 three in one whole in one whole in one known to the true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in heaven and five will stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born a untouchable living book was in me before I was born twin or other one in one two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death left the body became a corpse seen self as the forth in heaven walked the golden Path back to beginnings seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living one could do it touched it is he who is the only one ALL in out of one whoke in one whole in one half in the whole of two wholes returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail returned a child is without doubt at tge end of the age many false prophets trust none test all he will be says even named the first man to wqlk the old Way cause and effect true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in him and five stand as one known to the fuve trees in the kingdom out womb and in man born whole i draw it out while explain it who turned hell y think yoi are best knlw isnt yiu guessed was best ask self if keep it up false prophets i dione playing

[@corazonenad5681]

Love the speaker’s style. Low key. Humble. No agenda. Yet very knowledgeable. I trust everything he says.

[@justmoritz]

I agree, he's a GREAT teacher

[@boreopithecus]

Couldn't agree more. And he can talk about so many different topics. Other historians whose lectures I've really enjoyed include Kenneth Harl, Bart Ehrman, Jennifer Paxton, Garrett Fagan, Philip Daileader and Andrew Fix. There are lots of others who can match them in knowledge but unfortunately don't have the charisma. If anyone can recommend other history lectures please do, it's hard to find.

[@robertgwin661]

God, please give me the strength and the wisdom that I need. I have read some of these comments and I cannot help but to tear up. Just tell me what did you get out of this hour and 30 minutes, how has this hour in 30 minutes gotten you closer to God. What has this man edified of God's word? I ask you, to please look in your King James version of the Bible or in the holy Bible of 1611 and show me one of his quotes word for word, you will not find it. Your generation scares me, you deny the authority of God by not following Jesus Christ. You reject the teachings of the tutors that God and Jesus has given us for earthly men and women, the creatures at the bottom of the spiritual food chain. May God have mercy on your souls. (Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto THEM in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, BECAUSE IT IS GIVEN UNTO YOU TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, BUT TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to THEM in parables: because THEY seeing see not; and hearing THEY hear not, neither do THEY understand. 14 And in THEM is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing YE shall hear, and shall NOT UNDERSTAND; and seeing YE shall see, and shall NOT PERCEIVE: 15 For THIS people's heart is waxed gross, and THEIR ears are dull of hearing, and THEIR eyes THEY have closed; lest at any time THEY should SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, and should UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED, and I should heal THEM.) So did your hour and 30 minutes get you closer to understanding the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven? of course not, there was not one word of God edified in that hour 30 minutes. What is it that you do not understand about this verse, (John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; BUT that the world THROUGH HIM might be saved.) How do you perceive that? does that mean that God requires that an earthly man saves you? an earthly woman maybe? or does it mean that it is THROUGH Jesus Christ? You should put some serious thought into understanding whose disciple you are? do you follow earthly men and women or do you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. you are the disciple of the person that is teaching you. one cannot teach someone elses doctrine, Unless they go word for word nothing added and nothing left out, nothing suggested, just simply read the text make no comments, as soon as you add one little tiny thing, it becomes your doctrine. One cannot say they're following Jesus but yet they're listening to someone else, you are the student of the person teaching you. You're the student of the creature at the bottom of the spiritual food chain. you will be forever learning and never coming to an understanding because your teachers don't understand what they're talking about.. May God have mercy on our souls.

[@robertgwin661]

@@justmoritzGod, please give me the strength and the wisdom that I need. I have read some of these comments and I cannot help but to tear up. Just tell me what did you get out of this hour and 30 minutes, how has this hour in 30 minutes gotten you closer to God. What has this man edified of God's word? I ask you, to please look in your King James version of the Bible or in the holy Bible of 1611 and show me one of his quotes word for word, you will not find it. Your generation scares me, you deny the authority of God by not following Jesus Christ. You reject the teachings of the tutors that God and Jesus has given us for earthly men and women, the creatures at the bottom of the spiritual food chain. May God have mercy on your souls. (Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto THEM in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, BECAUSE IT IS GIVEN UNTO YOU TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, BUT TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to THEM in parables: because THEY seeing see not; and hearing THEY hear not, neither do THEY understand. 14 And in THEM is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing YE shall hear, and shall NOT UNDERSTAND; and seeing YE shall see, and shall NOT PERCEIVE: 15 For THIS people's heart is waxed gross, and THEIR ears are dull of hearing, and THEIR eyes THEY have closed; lest at any time THEY should SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, and should UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED, and I should heal THEM.) So did your hour and 30 minutes get you closer to understanding the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven? of course not, there was not one word of God edified in that hour 30 minutes. What is it that you do not understand about this verse, (John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; BUT that the world THROUGH HIM might be saved.) How do you perceive that? does that mean that God requires that an earthly man saves you? an earthly woman maybe? or does it mean that it is THROUGH Jesus Christ? You should put some serious thought into understanding whose disciple you are? do you follow earthly men and women or do you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. you are the disciple of the person that is teaching you. one cannot teach someone elses doctrine, Unless they go word for word nothing added and nothing left out, nothing suggested, just simply read the text make no comments, as soon as you add one little tiny thing, it becomes your doctrine. One cannot say they're following Jesus but yet they're listening to someone else, you are the student of the person teaching you. You're the student of the creature at the bottom of the spiritual food chain. you will be forever learning and never coming to an understanding because your teachers don't understand what they're talking about.. May God have mercy on our souls.

[@robertgwin661]

God, please give me the strength and the wisdom that I need. I have read some of these comments and I cannot help but to tear up. Just tell me what did you get out of this hour and 30 minutes, how has this hour in 30 minutes gotten you closer to God. What has this man edified of God's word? I ask you, to please look in your King James version of the Bible or in the holy Bible of 1611 and show me one of his quotes word for word, you will not find it. Your generation scares me, you deny the authority of God by not following Jesus Christ. You reject the teachings of the tutors that God and Jesus has given us for earthly men and women, the creatures at the bottom of the spiritual food chain. May God have mercy on your souls. (Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto THEM in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, BECAUSE IT IS GIVEN UNTO YOU TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, BUT TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to THEM in parables: because THEY seeing see not; and hearing THEY hear not, neither do THEY understand. 14 And in THEM is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing YE shall hear, and shall NOT UNDERSTAND; and seeing YE shall see, and shall NOT PERCEIVE: 15 For THIS people's heart is waxed gross, and THEIR ears are dull of hearing, and THEIR eyes THEY have closed; lest at any time THEY should SEE WITH THEIR EYES, AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, and should UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED, and I should heal THEM.) So did your hour and 30 minutes get you closer to understanding the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven? of course not, there was not one word of God edified in that hour 30 minutes. What is it that you do not understand about this verse, (John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; BUT that the world THROUGH HIM might be saved.) How do you perceive that? does that mean that God requires that an earthly man saves you? an earthly woman maybe? or does it mean that it is THROUGH Jesus Christ? You should put some serious thought into understanding whose disciple you are? do you follow earthly men and women or do you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. you are the disciple of the person that is teaching you. one cannot teach someone elses doctrine, Unless they go word for word nothing added and nothing left out, nothing suggested, just simply read the text make no comments, as soon as you add one little tiny thing, it becomes your doctrine. One cannot say they're following Jesus but yet they're listening to someone else, you are the student of the person teaching you. You're the student of the creature at the bottom of the spiritual food chain. you will be forever learning and never coming to an understanding because your teachers don't understand what they're talking about.. May God have mercy on our souls.

[@ncarmstron]

John Hamer is the world’s best teacher.

[@nosuchthing8]

Since I can't go to church during the pandemic, this channel is the next best thing

[@UniquelyKarenPsychics]

Me too. It has been a refreshing indepth inspiration for spiritual upliftment. Love 💘 that strength of faith is not shaken by historical documents but focused on creating true harmony in openness to freely discuss faith 💕 I'm uplifted even being in Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺

[@BeauSmithFtl]

This was a great presentation. Thank you for going through the effort of the study and sharing so many quotes and the context behind all of this.

[@yongmokim5215]

000⁰

[@Moe-xg6bu]

So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be

[@jeremymettler2785]

Odd many pretend to guess they listen then decide if liked or make up a test then play decided if passed test . What straight out educated guessers deceiving self pretending to understand guess know unknown exactly void in know fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand self proclaimed people proclaimed proves only unknown unproclaimed ego arrogant false prophets if anything all could proclaim and are false prophets if keep running mouth

[@UntouchableLivingone-ji4un]

you can't even fake we the people . Play you understand the world who the hell said he with deaf ears will figure it out . Is no false prophets or test at the end of the age test none self proclaimed people proclaimed self choosen people choose for what false prophets all could proclaim are if keep it up . Sure as hell not even close to a debate at the end of the age pretend to be known before you born choose before you known before you born in it out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death born again in life without tasting death in Christ born 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death married the father walked the border Path the universe Way Path the old Way before there was a knew Way is in the father is his son out my true true virgin mother creator cause and effect in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in me and five stand as one known to the ALL proclaimed three times over he was born in life choosen before he was born known proclaimed three times over before he was born once. Blessed be the three times over before he was born known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death walked the true and just born Wat back to the father and true virgin mother creator out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 three in one whole in one whole in one known to the true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in heaven and five will stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born a untouchable living book was in me before I was born twin or other one in one two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death left the body became a corpse seen self as the forth in heaven walked the golden Path back to beginnings seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living one could do it touched it is he who is the only one ALL in out of one whoke in one whole in one half in the whole of two wholes returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail returned a child is without doubt at tge end of the age many false prophets trust none test all he will be says even named the first man to wqlk the old Way cause and effect true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in him and five stand as one known to the fuve trees in the kingdom out womb and in man born whole i draw it out while explain it who turned hell y think yoi are best knlw isnt yiu guessed was best ask self if keep it up false prophets i dione playing

[@Abrown2048]

Another amazing lecture John! Best of KZbin.

[@Moe-xg6bu]

So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be

[@UntouchableLivingone-ji4un]

you can't even fake we the people . Play you understand the world who the hell said he with deaf ears will figure it out . Is no false prophets or test at the end of the age test none self proclaimed people proclaimed self choosen people choose for what false prophets all could proclaim are if keep it up . Sure as hell not even close to a debate at the end of the age pretend to be known before you born choose before you known before you born in it out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death born again in life without tasting death in Christ born 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death married the father walked the border Path the universe Way Path the old Way before there was a knew Way is in the father is his son out my true true virgin mother creator cause and effect in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in me and five stand as one known to the ALL proclaimed three times over he was born in life choosen before he was born known proclaimed three times over before he was born once. Blessed be the three times over before he was born known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death walked the true and just born Wat back to the father and true virgin mother creator out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 three in one whole in one whole in one known to the true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in heaven and five will stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born a untouchable living book was in me before I was born twin or other one in one two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death left the body became a corpse seen self as the forth in heaven walked the golden Path back to beginnings seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living one could do it touched it is he who is the only one ALL in out of one whoke in one whole in one half in the whole of two wholes returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail returned a child is without doubt at tge end of the age many false prophets trust none test all he will be says even named the first man to wqlk the old Way cause and effect true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in him and five stand as one known to the fuve trees in the kingdom out womb and in man born whole i draw it out while explain it who turned hell y think yoi are best knlw isnt yiu guessed was best ask self if keep it up false prophets i dione playing

[@ShadowedOne413]

Wonderful lecture on the Gospel of Thomas. The one thing I couldn't help but notice which I think was lost on the presenter was the idea of Thomas as a Twin. It's was not meant to be literal. It implies that Thomas has understood the teachings and transcended, and thus has become like Jesus.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

It was meant to be literal. There is another book (Acts of Thomas) that spells out clearly the views of the now-extinct Syro-Persian Thomasine branch of the Church on this relationship. In it there is no question that Dydimus Judas Thomas was an identical twin brother of Jesus who physically looked exactly like Jesus himself. The resurrected Jesus had to cajole and trick him in various ways (including literally framing him for a crime by impersonation) to get him to spread the message to India.

[@rms_6401]

@@andrewsuryali8540 any good source to read about it?

[@Moe-xg6bu]

So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be

[@Moe-xg6bu]

​@@rms_6401So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be

[@jameshopkins7507]

Thank you, Pastor John for your very illuminating lesson!

[@Moe-xg6bu]

So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be

[@patjones4890]

I absolutely love your lectures, thank you. I have always gravitated toward the gnostic view of Christianity.

[@Moe-xg6bu]

So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be

[@Neanderthal31416]

Thomas 114 gives full equality to women, if they want it. It's the first document ever written by a human that does that. It was easily the most shocking thing to the ears of first century listeners. That alone makes it the most amazing document in the history of human religion. The historical Jesus, in Thomas, was dead right about absolutely everything.

[@TheGuiltsOfUs]

The author Thomas did not know the rabbi, he was a disciple of Mani long after yeshua died.

[@Neanderthal31416]

@@TheGuiltsOfUs No no, we have physical scraps of the Gospel of Thomas from 150-200CE. But Mani used Thomas alright.

[@paulgemme6056]

Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8 For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

[@youtubeaccount3230]

(114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life." Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

[@DanaAnnEvans]

Galatians 3:26You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise. This scripture comes to mind. Perhaps the hearers were like the Galatians who needed reminding.

[@nikoh6703]

Thank you sir great speaker

[@tomesplin4130]

Love your teaching John. Greetings from Australia

[@robertgwin661]

Greetings Mr Tom Esplin, I was hoping that you might enlighten me on what you found to be rewarding about this hour and 30 minutes? Please believe me I'm not trying to antagonize you or irritates you, I am simply asking a question. I've been studying the Bible for 15 years and sadly I heard nothing that edified the word of God. Again, I am serious I am not joking. you see I stopped following the teachings of men 15 years ago and I just studied the Bible now, but every now and again I have to poke my head back in, to see what man is talking about, what man is teaching. So, I asked you to please respond and tell me what was it that stirred your soul. What did this gentleman talk about that caused you to say you loved it? To be more specific, how has this hour in 30 minutes gotten you closer to God?

[@Moe-xg6bu]

So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be

[@UntouchableLivingone-ji4un]

you can't even fake we the people . Play you understand the world who the hell said he with deaf ears will figure it out . Is no false prophets or test at the end of the age test none self proclaimed people proclaimed self choosen people choose for what false prophets all could proclaim are if keep it up . Sure as hell not even close to a debate at the end of the age pretend to be known before you born choose before you known before you born in it out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death born again in life without tasting death in Christ born 18.1.24 judgement multiply once see perfect harmony in balance with all in-laws above married the father known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death married the father walked the border Path the universe Way Path the old Way before there was a knew Way is in the father is his son out my true true virgin mother creator cause and effect in the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in me and five stand as one known to the ALL proclaimed three times over he was born in life choosen before he was born known proclaimed three times over before he was born once. Blessed be the three times over before he was born known to the true virgin mother creator cause and effect given amnesty from law won't taste death walked the true and just born Wat back to the father and true virgin mother creator out womb a Trinity first and last beginning and end one and 99 born 100 three in one whole in one whole in one known to the true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in heaven and five will stand as one known proclaimed three times over before he was born a untouchable living book was in me before I was born twin or other one in one two became one in ten thousand three returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many out womb and in man born again in life without tasting death left the body became a corpse seen self as the forth in heaven walked the golden Path back to beginnings seen beginnings from ends first became last last first out womb and in man born the untouchable living one could do it touched it is he who is the only one ALL in out of one whoke in one whole in one half in the whole of two wholes returned in one whole in one whole in one whole in one many Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail returned a child is without doubt at tge end of the age many false prophets trust none test all he will be says even named the first man to wqlk the old Way cause and effect true virgin mother creator out the divine spark light fire purified Holy Spirit in eye of fire is in him and five stand as one known to the fuve trees in the kingdom out womb and in man born whole i draw it out while explain it who turned hell y think yoi are best knlw isnt yiu guessed was best ask self if keep it up false prophets i dione playing

[@MM-jf1me]

I greatly enjoyed this presentation. Thank you for sharing it with us!

[@minusstage3]

This is gold! Blessings 🙌

[@Moe-xg6bu]

So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be

[@Neanderthal31416]

I need to point out, I think the world of John and have learned a lot from his wonderful lectures, and am grateful for his wisdom and humanity. I just feel strongly about the Gospel of Thomas. Don't mean to be caustic, just kinda' turns out that way.

[@paulgemme6056]

If it was meant to be taken as God's word, it would have been in the bible.

[@renny3816]

@paulgemme6056 Why was the Book of Enoch taken out?

[@eottoe2001]

This is wild. Learning about Thomas 77 it reminded me of this: "I'll be all around in the dark. I'll be everywhere. Wherever you can look-wherever there's a fight so hungry people can eat, I'll be there. Wherever there's a cop beatin' up a guy, I'll be there. I'll be in the way guys yell when they're mad. I'll be in the way kids laugh when they're hungry and they know supper's ready, and when the people are eatin' the stuff they raise and livin' in the houses they build, I'll be there, too." ~ Tom Joad, Grapes of Wrath.

[@robertgwin661]

Neil Hundtoft, greetings, I have taken I guess a different approach then you have, with my 15 years of study. in no way do I seek to offend or to upset, I am simply sharing a different approach. I have studied the holy Bible the 1611 version, and the first translation of the King James version of the Bible. one of the many things that I have done differently from others, is it I did not start in the Old Testament I started in a New Testament. For some reason I was drawn to it, I believe it was the knowledge of knowing that this is what was given to those under the new covenant. there were certain things that caught my attention that I could not ignore. In Matthew 13, Jesus gives a parable of the sower, and he said something that is frightening, for some readers, look at what he said. (Matthew 13:10 And the DISCIPLES came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto THEM in parables? 11 He answered and said unto THEM, Because it is given unto YOU to Know the Mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN.) Do you see the separation? Jesus tells his disciples, that the information is given to them but not to others, not to the multitude. Reading that made me certain of one thing, I had to become a disciple of Jesus Christ if I was going to learn about the parables. That is what the separation is, Those that follow Jesus and those that follow others. I would stop listening to the teachings of earthly men around that time, Because for me, Jesus could not say it any clearer than he just had. That fear stayed with me for a while, until I came upon this next verse that caught my attention. (Matthew 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been KEPT SECRET from the foundation of the world.) It would be some five books later that I would read this in 1 Corinthians 2. (1 Corinthians 2:14 But the NATURAL MAN receiveth not THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD: for they are FOOLISHNESS UNTO HIM: neither can HE KNOW THEM, BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED.) Do you see the separation, it's right there it can be no clearer than that. what that verse is saying is, that there is a surface reading of the Bible and there is a SPIRITUAL READING OF THE BIBLE. I do not know you, and I can't be sure that we have ever met. I can honestly say that I do not think we have, Neil, man is at the bottom of the spiritual food chain, as Jesus stated if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch. I cannot express to you in a way that you can comprehend, how void that hour and 30 minutes was that I spent, listening to this gentleman speak, he edified nothing, there was nothing gained nothing taught of any use, in understanding the word of God. Neil, if you ask me, I will give you 4 hours of study and you will call the gentleman that you spent, an hour and 30 minutes listening to, Antichrist. I promise you there would be no vague explanation, It will not take a leap of faith to believe, it will not even be me actually teaching you, you will be reading and studying out of the King James Bible. I pray that this reaches you in good health and in good spirits, may God have mercy on all of us.

[@eottoe2001]

@@robertgwin661 I'm not @Neil Hundtoft.

[@dbarker7794]

Good ol' Steinbeck!

[@Moe-xg6bu]

So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be

[@eottoe2001]

@@robertgwin661 for me I have met people who have done the sinners' prayer, who have made to altar call and confessed, and who have received the Holy Ghost, baptized in water, but their hearts have remained cold. So when I judge a person or a sect, I judge them by the fruits that they bear. Matthew 7:16-20

[@briantollett6436]

this was such an illuminating watch. thank you so much for your research and time.

[@Moe-xg6bu]

So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be

[@garymensurati1631]

As always, excellent lecture. John, you're an amazing person with integrity. God bless you and blessings to all.

[@112deeps]

I read this profound spiritual truth saying somewhere 'if we die before we die then we never die at all'

[@neilhundtoft4873]

A number of times throughout the Gospel of Thomas we are told that when we come to understand what is being said, we “will not taste death”. That evocative phrase points the way to our escape. Death, by definition, is a state of having no experience. The only experience we can have of death is the fear of it we know while we are still alive. All of the terrors of death can exist only for the living. God is God, and all is in his will. There can be nothing to worry about. The Gospel of Thomas tells me that indulging in worries about death and missing out on the present living moment is a bad trade. Neil Hundtoft

[@mikeq5807]

Daoism also refers to dying yet not dying, poem 33, final line. Dao 15, closing stanza, sheds light on this.

[@TheGuiltsOfUs]

None of us will escape death

[@paulgemme6056]

@@neilhundtoft4873 Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8 For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

[@concoxxion2964]

I thought this was excellently presented in a very balanced way, not pushing for any particular view or approach. You presented multiple sides and opinions and left it to us to decide how each of us might view the Gospel of Thomas and how it fits into the whole picture. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I might add, though very cautious at first, if not skeptical, and though there are things hard to wrap your head around, there were outstanding statements not found anywhere else which proved to come back to me over and over again. And as I pondered and meditated on them, they drew me in, bringing much insight into the inner light and Kingdom of God within - the realm of the Divine, and our opportunity for connection and union therein.

[@Darisiabgal7573]

Very well done.

[@justmoritz]

I wanna see a more in depth review of whether Thomas could actually BE Q? Maybe a modified version like the philosophical texts? But that would explain why it "combines" as well as is missing some additions.

[@jeanjulie4851]

That’s what I was just thinking the same thing. Thanks for your comment.

[@ashagozzelin5420]

As I was listening I was getting annoyed that this wasn't even suggested or ruled out. Glad I'm not alone in this sentiment

[@andrewsuryali8540]

John already makes it clear in the video that most scholars don't think Thomas was Q. In fact, there are several diagrams in his presentation that makes it clear that original (non-Gnostic) Thomas was parallel to Q. Scholars think this because our Thomas doesn't preserve all the sayings thought to come from Q, and there is no reason for even the gnostics to delete those sayings. There are also some sayings in Thomas that can't be found in the synoptics that shouldn't be provlematic for the evangelists. Therefore, Thomas is not complete enough to have been Q even in its non-gnostic form.

[@livesimplified7970]

Amazing lecture ty ty ty so much for it, it was fantastic!!!!!

[@neilhundtoft4873]

John and Thomas disagreed; but they were clearly members of the same club. I notice how the prologue to the gospel of John (John 1:1-5) can be all but seamlessly interwoven with Thomas' saying #77. It makes for a pretty smooth read. When I read this interwoven version, I can't fail to recognize a kindred spirit animating both authors. John begins: In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. Jesus in Thomas #77 responds: I am the light that is over all things. I am all. John continues: Through him all things were made and without him was not anything made that was made. Jesus in Thomas #77 responds: From me, all has come forth, and to me all has reached. John continues: In him was life; and the life was the light of men. His light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. Jesus in Thomas #77 brings closure: Split a piece of wood; I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there. This makes it appear that the two were once very close, and I imagine a very bitter split happening at some point. They just could never come to agree regarding which was more important - history or the present moment. Hmmmmm..... Neil Hundtoft

[@dapaulson1]

It seems to me that the writer of Thomas had access to the Gospel of John and wrote the gospel of Thomas from the access to John. Very little to learn from the gospel of Thomas unless you want to confirm a gnostic point of view!

[@andrewsuryali8540]

@@dapaulson1 But the author of John was the one who came up with "Doubting Thomas" (John 20:24-29), so if we consider these characters as representative of subsects in Christianity, it seems that the Johannine Community had some sort of beef with a Thomasine Community and vice versa, and the latter hit back at the Johannines in their own gospel. It's really funny that we have this fight preserved thousands of years later in both texts.

[@cresap1]

Lovely looking forward to discerning more of this... Incredible... So much more to discover.. Amazing Grace!

[@coexistcorner]

Is there a copy of the first edition of Gospel of Thomas that is available to the public? That has been unedited?

[@paulgemme6056]

Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8 For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

[@velmabrandon3253]

Thank you my friend 💞🌹🙏

[@444EverEverEver]

that was a photo of elton john .. not billy joel the artist who performed Piano Man.. but great point about ballads

[@gwwisenburg7572]

Thank you for all your lectures, I really enjoy them and nice to learn. God bless. Greg

[@Moe-xg6bu]

So you hear educated guessers pretenders of understand guessers of known to the ALL proclaimed three times over before you born out womb and in man born . Found the body became a corpse seen self as the fourth in heaven found the Way walked the Path shown what no eye has seen heard what no ears ever heard given what no human has ever been given . Out womb and in man born Mary became a man squashed seeds head of snake eating tail retirned a child known proclaimed three times over before you. Born known to the true virgin mother creator and won't taste death . Is law kill false prophets at the end of the age trust none test all many false prophets fools speaking saying nothing impressing others pretend to understand can't explain don't add up doesn't make sense self.proclaimed people provlaimed deceivers of self ans others Injust self and others pretend said test none pick a educated guesser deceiving even self unknown to self divided became two the day you one split a piece of would and I am there . The day you one you became two .5 true .5 just sure as hell don't know how to test this moment sure as hell no five stand as one whole in one whole in oneany out womb three in one whole one against two two against three three against two two against three . Pretend to make up your test see if I get right and sure as hell best be done or false prophets and done Is the end of the age I don't care who you pretend to be

[@BreAsop]

Love your insights! If you could work on getting the audio level up it would be great!

[@112deeps]

Wonderful experience & meditation in this teaching. I AM THAT I AM..... christ taught the Advaita Vedanta taught in the eastern religion just beautiful marvellous wonderful.

[@112deeps]

@Darren, my friend Jesus taught I AM THAT I AM... Are you aware of revelation of the Name. God is there before you! How? I AM Darren. I AM is before you always. If any saying of Master in New testament has I AM referenced in the saying or parable that's Christ indicating he is the I AM that I AM... Don't teach this to people who aren't ready. A little secret - look up Moses' conversation with God on the Mountain with burning bush.... Seek & you will find.

[@AgusPcb]

I love the lecture...john...greetings from indonesia

[@nadzach]

I wish we had more of it.

[@PaulWallis]

Thank you John for this superb overview. A question: You say the NT names Simon Magus whom Irenaeus identifies as a "gnostic."I find Irenaeus identifying him as a Simonian, rather than a gnostic. Is there another reference? Also what identifies Hymenaeus and Philetus as gnostics? When exactly did the word gnostic come to take on its current meaning, ie as a particular kind of heterodoxy? I ask, noting that n late C2nd/early3rdCE Clement of Alexandria used the phrase "the true gnostic" to indicate a devout believer and seeker of truth. I agree that harmonization usually manifests as getting longer winded and more subtle - a phenomenon well-known to any writer. Whereas Thomas' sayings are punchier and cruder. Bart Ehrman's argument flies in the face of what harmonisation actually looks like. I think you bring that out really clearly. Thank you for sharing this. Health and Peace, Paul

[@slizzysluzzer]

Setting a widely-agreed upon definition of capital-G "Gnosticism" is one of the more heated debates within biblical scholarship nowadays and there is a vocal camp that would argue the term has no usefulness as an academic heuristic (see: Rethinking "Gnosticism" by Michael A. Williams for more on this idea).

[@Trp44]

Great work.

[@onebognor4988]

Can I ask about the issue where you discuss at about 15.29 the 3 versions of The Poor and the Kingdom. Is it not the case that a term, 'The Poor', was used as a reference to the sect of which Jesus was a member. In that context, it is they, the members of the sect, who inherit The Kingdom, as one might expect. In that context, I would hazard St Thomas is the earlier and accurate expression. In later times, we've come to associate 'The Poor' with those who are of limited wealth and position, because that is what it means to us in our social context. I recall the copies of the King James version also having 'The Poor' printed as thus, not in lower case in my childhood. This would say, you can always give to the sect (because he was challenged that she should have given the money to the sect instead of wasting it profligately). but I won't always be here. Your comment please.

[@onebognor4988]

see also at 42.8

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you.

[@UniquelyKarenPsychics]

Love that the study of History and documents never shake your own faith. But rather embrace the History and pursuit of knowledge to create an environment of spiritual discussion aimed at harmony 💕 Looking forward to connecting via ZOOM with you in the near future. Cheers from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺

[@carloshacer4440]

I thought scholarly epistemology and philosophic axioms were incompatible with any one of you (clergy) much less any remaining church group (think). The term "groupthink" BTW came from a scholar named Irving; I've used his work in undergraduate papers I've written about propaganda. It's old but a great little bit of social science history. "Groupthink" by Irving. You sir are my new hero. "Visions" of Jesus haunt me and yet I run with the physics department more than any other department since about 2015. Actually, I left grad school (artist is what I say I am) to chase a vision of Christ that recurs in our local Hindu Temple and elsewhere. I tell stories now that is all I do. I LOVE your work. You would know of Occam and that his 'razor' involved rethinking our questions rather than the urban myth that Occam said, "the simplest answer" is usually right. The real grace of Occam's Razor was in this, eliminate needless and intrusive variables when asking your questions. They were having to get permission to count beans so why ask permission, what does authority, for a simplistic example, have to do with basic observations. Experimental design is the place where Occam's Razor is truly powerful. There you may have an experiment or hypothesis where the inquiry is in line with the problem. Now, there are post atomic age observations to deal with. Try selling your epistemological razor to modern biology or quantum mechanical research Occam. Still the question is always more important than the answer, especially when the answers are self-evidently wrong. Occam took a razor to the system called The Church to let science be science and work as it should. He cut science out of theology. I just want to put it back. Christ somehow is real still alive and teaching to my irrational observations. The irrational may still be reasonable, or so I suggest. Conflicts of the church papers. Authority is the only god; you know it! Books! Just books and coins and swords that is all. The Buddha, Gotama must be running with Yeshua right now if there be any heaven or hidden life. The "word" has a poetic meaning too, a manner of speech that is unlikely, even impossible but it was said anyway. Like getting a fat man through the eye of a needle and the plop, there it was, a word that came in faster than light, it could never be fixed or written or codified. If I were not so poor and out of it in general (starving artists still exist) I would travel from here (almost in Mexico) to see you in your church in the great white north. Big fan!!! I just found you this week as I am writing some historic fiction stories with these themes. Thank you I don't even have a spare dollar, so I can only give you this triple thumbs up! Thank you, Rev. Professor!

[@WilliamNewberry]

Thank you Father . Cleave the wood and yo will find me God is in everything

[@davebenitez8000]

When he talks about men becoming woman and woman becoming man , I believe the reference is we are both ,at soul level . Understanding enlightenment in this human form may open your mind .

[@gospelofthomas77thpearl22]

The saying “For many of the first will be last, and will become a single one” explains what happens to a soul that has not come to ‘life’. It is absorbed into the whole, the Source, it ‘tastes death’. This energy (soul) becomes something else. Yeshua (Jesus) explains that people (many of the first), who are enamoured of wealth & power in this life, are at risk of being separated from the Holy Spirit, which links the ‘living’ Spirit to the Source (Father). I bow to the divine in you 🙏🏼

[@LordJagd]

That first line is staggeringly beautiful - I cannot believe how these sayings were corrupted into apocalyptic preaching

[@gospelofthomas77thpearl22]

@@LordJagd indeed. An unfortunate legacy of the beast humans evolved from - power & control is their goal. 🙏🏼

[@LordJagd]

@@gospelofthomas77thpearl22 Is your name a reference to the 77th saying in Thomas? Because that might be my favorite one.

[@gospelofthomas77thpearl22]

@@LordJagd yes it is. The 77th saying is very important because it tells us that God, the Source is in everything, but it has found its preferred home in humanity. Just as it was in Yeshua so too is it in us, because we are His brothers & sisters (Thomas 99). I bow to the divine in you 🙏🏼

[@koala8353]

‘the physical is not what matters’ is such a deep sentence.

[@benlevinson1949]

Impartial scholarship rendered comprehensible and absorbing to people like myself who are not in academia

[@tobberfutooagain2628]

He was voted out! Committee said nope, you are not holy enough. Hit the bricks….. divinely inspired, of course…

[@Zenithilos11]

A "wonder worker"? What wonders and how exactly would he work them?

[@Stadtpark90]

20:49 that’s lyrics from Billy Joel; not sure why you put Elton John there…

[@DJK-cq2uy]

Thanks Captain Obvious

[@doodoobrn]

Volume on most of these videos is way too low. Some more than others. If I use my GPS on the lowest voice while I listen to this it still blows my eardrums up

[@bacobill]

I have always taken the last saying as referring to more esoteric meanings having to do with what we now call chakras.. meaning female referring to the lower feminine and male referring to the upper or 'crown' chakra.. But who knows for certain? Not I thank you lol.. I am eagerly looking forward to the upcoming talk on Q and the GOT.. Thank you for what you do.

[@jeanjulie4851]

I think Jesus, in his sayings about “I am”... “cut a piece of wood...l, etc, he is referring to that which we ALL are, because we are one and we will realize this when we realize and experience the kids from of heaven within us (a heavenly meditative state).

[@paulgemme6056]

Jesus Christ is the only way to receive eternal life (to know him). It's a free gift (the gift of God - Ephesians 2:8 For by grace, you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,) to all those who believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

[@zarategabe]

Volume is way too low on this video

[@neilhundtoft4873]

How did the Gospel of Thomas' sayings become numbered? Could someone please tell me how the Gospel of Thomas came to have its sayings numbered from 1 to 114? When you combine the numbers with the prologue “THESE are the hidden sayings...” the numbering becomes quite misleading. It leads one to think that Jesus sat down one day and dictated 114 sayings to Thomas in the order given in the Coptic document, which is clearly not the case. Sometimes, the saying is not even Jesus speaking, such as in Saying #74. Saying #47 could easily be split into several sayings, as the five saying-lets grouped there don't appear to relate to each other in any clear way. Saying #66 could well be included as part of Saying #65, as it provides a conclusion to the parable of the tenants. That is the way Mark 12 treats it. I would sure appreciate the help of that scholar out there who knows the answer to this. The clincher for me recognizing that the numbering isn't original to the document is that the numbering assigned to the Coptic copy from Nag Hammadi was used to assign parallel numbers to the Oxyrynchus papyrus fragments. No one knew how those fragments fit into the larger whole until the Nag Hammadi library was found. Thanks ahead to the gracious scholar who will take time to resolve this troubling puzzle for me. With gratitude, Neil Hundtoft

[@neilhundtoft4873]

I support the argument that the authorship of the Gospel of Thomas predates Quelle and was the source for much of Quelle's text as well as that of Mark. It appears to me that your discussion of Sayings #65 and #66 (at 32:00 - 36:00 minutes) includes observations based on criteria which support my assertion. Original versions, we agree, tend to be the shortest, least elaborated and most generalized. As you point out, Mark was the source for Matthew and Luke. Yet Mark's version provides an extended narrative, drawing imagery from Isaiah about the vineyard and placing it all in a setting of rebuke to those failing to accept Jesus as Messiah. In Mark's version, the owner becomes angry and gives the vineyard to the care of others more deserving. We see Luke and Matthew pick up on Mark's theme of anger and extend it further to include the very destruction of those “miserable wretches”! But in Thomas, the text is direct, short and absolutely devoid of emotion. The beating of the servant is simply dismissed as a failure to communicate. There's no anger and no suggestion of retribution, which it appears is the later contribution of the synoptic authors drawing from Thomas. And so we go from Thomas, giving us an unemotional observation that the innocent will suffer, to Mark, for which the suffering of the innocent is the theme. Mark expands on Thomas by introducing sectarian anger and the eviction of the unworthy from the vineyard. This version then travels to the hyperbolic vitriol of Luke and Matthew who are out to destroy “those miserable wretches”. In a side-by-side comparison of texts, it appears unavoidable to conclude the chronology as I propose it. Is this not a sound line of reasoning? This was a great lecture and such a refreshing addition to the tube's content. Please continue bringing us this good food! Thank you for all. Neil Hundtoft

[@itsureishotout-itshotterin3985]

Superb!

[@stephanyfaycohen3842]

FANTASTIC VIDEO. Thank you so much for this video. I AM MARY MAGDALENE (reincarnated), wife of JESUS. I am going to sit down with JESUS AND THOMAS (PETER too if I can find him) and go over remembering these messages. JESUS came to me very recently to remind me just how similar THOMAS and himself lused to ooked. GOD bless you and keep you.

[@Chris_Sheridan]

.. according to scripture Jesus remained single - he was NOT sent to earth to marry or procreate. Better start reading the bible and educate yourself!

[@stephanyfaycohen3842]

@@Chris_Sheridan Thank you Chris. I do not need to read any bible at all. I am part of that bible and other religious texts. I have the real deal with me - Jesus. Only earlier today (Wed 16.11.2022) I was in Bromley, Kent. A woman was cross the road with a wayward tolly. She called out: "Oh, Jesus." I smiled to myself. A minute later JESUS said to me: "Mary!!" Again I smiled to myself. Jesus and I were seeing the fun side of this incident.

[@frank327]

Really interesting speaker

[@goldcicvibefel9966]

I'm sure you coordinated the nag hamaddi text in Coptic with the 200 year earlier papyrus fragments found at the Oxyrhycus (sp) found in a burned down ancient Egyptian Library, written in the original Greek, the surviving parts of which match up very closely Coptic nag hamadi codices. This is bvious strong evidence of translators 2 century survivor.

[@jetpromys]

I've really been enjoying these different lectures. It's great to see someone digging deep into the origins of these things. I even wonder if Michael Shermer would be interested in interviewing John just based on the scholarship and the fact there is such a rich history behind these things that rarely gets told.

[@happierabroad]

Why would shermer interview him? Shermer is a pseudoskeptic atheist who hates religion and doesn't even believe in any spirit world. he's like richard dawkins.

[@jetpromys]

@@happierabroad I think he's intellectually curious whether he believes in it or not. I mean, what John is talking about are the known facts around which these books emerged. I'm just saying I think it would be an interesting conversation, not necessarily a debate over the existence of God or miracles.

[@happierabroad]

​@@jetpromys But shermer is a pseudoskeptic and debunker. he doesn't ask questions like a truth seeker. all he does is debunk anything that contradicts materialism and atheism. he isn't a truth seeker, he's already made up his mind. anytime you see him on TV that's all he does, 100 percent of the time, he's a paid propagandist most likely and totally predictable.

[@jetpromys]

@@happierabroad Actually, on one of his recent podcasts about a month ago, Shermer had a couple gentlemen on who were presenting arguments in favor of belief in God, and Shermer did not knock them down. At any rate, it was just an idea. John is so articulate and has such a warm personality, I think he would have a positive influence wherever he speaks.

[@karenishness1]

Volume just too low. Great topic.

[@boooshes]

It is interesting that the possibility (and I would argue almost certainty) that over years of teaching, Jesus himself spoke in slightly different versions of the same teaching, just like anyone else would. It seems to me almost impossible that He would have brought a teaching such as " the first will be last and the last will be first" and conveyed it many times in many different situations and used exactly the same words every time. This option of different accounts seems to not be considered at all, only that there was one single correct source and numerous corruptions. For me, this casts serious scholarly doubt on the entire analysis. Not to even mention that Q is regarding in the start as a hypothetical text, then subsequently referred to repeatedly as if it is foundational fact. I enjoy the discussion, but the analysis isn't well executed, in my opinion.

[@neilhundtoft4873]

@Darren You're being repetitive...and redundant.

[@justsaying4471]

That’s a good point. The gospels are written 50-100 years after Jesus died, though, so it’s more likely that the texts are copies of each other than different accounts of Jesus’ own words. Also, remember that Jesus spoke Aramaic, and the gospels are written in Greek. So, if 2 texts have the same word for word passages in Greek, they are likely inspired by each other.

[@jaredt.ridgeway1186]

I have listen to you for a long time. Can you referral to book of Q, i think it's the book of thomas. thank you for all your hard work

[@youta5]

Most essential talk.

[@stevenv6463]

This is a very off hand comment so maybe it is just crazy but the Quran has 114 chapters. Is there any significance to this number that would make the Gospel of Thomas writer and the Quranic author both want to reach 114 chapters?

[@iameric213]

The song is piano man by Billy Joel and the pic is elton john

[@oshofosho8990]

Final saying: I will personally help her and make her strong like you strong men and any woman that makes herself strong will enter the kingdom of heaven.

[@mrbeety]

I don't see why saying 114 should be taken that literally (question in the end of the session) when pretty much all the other sayings are trying to cast of the shackles of literal understandings. There is probably more depth to that saying than we dare go into - at least until we cast of our clothes and dwell upon it as nursing babies and in correlation to the other sayings. Especially in correlation to saying 1, 2 and 3.

[@GuitarJimBourke]

Thomas is saying basically what all the other writers are saying, Thomas 114. It has to be, all interpreted metaphorically to say, that all women are our equals. Thank you, for the very good lesson. Do we misinterpret scripturally, because we look more at the literal than it being symbolically?

[@ccsims2]

26:44 Not sure what version of the Bible he is using. I had never heard Mark 10:31 with the words "and of the last many will be first". I started to say the scripture with him & when I heard him add the last words, uh, I looked it up because his verse has a totally different many. Pulled out my Tyndale NLT, Thompson's Kirkbride KJ, Oxford NEB - "But many who (that) are first/the greatest now will (shall) be last/least important then(;) and the last/those who seem least important now will be first/the greatest then." So...grain of salt needed

[@Neanderthal31416]

Saying Thomas 3 is Gnostic, is totally INSANE. It's the Second Commandment, and repeated constantly in the Old Testament. I will now post the Thomas 3 parallels in the Old Testament and a couple selected Jewish/Samaritan sources. Deuteronomy 30:11-14 111 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 2 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it. Deuteronomy 5:8-9 8 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them Exodus 20:4 4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. Baruch 3:29-30 Who has gone up to the heavens and taken her, or brought her down from the clouds? 30 Who has crossed the sea and found her, bearing her away rather than choice gold? Job 28:12-14 12 "But where can wisdom be found? Where does understanding dwell? 13 Man does not comprehend its worth; it cannot be found in the land of the living. 14 The deep says, 'It is not in me'; the sea says, 'It is not with me.' Moses Cordovero (16thC) , Elimah Rabbati Essential Kabbalah p. 24 “Before anything emanated there was only Ein Sof... Everything is within it; it is within everything and outside of everything. There is nothing but it.” Marqah, Memar 6.3 (The greatest Samaritan writer, and he's talking about Jesus, and quoting him.) Well of Living Water: 3 There is a Well of living water dug by a Prophet whose like has not arisen since Adam and the water which is in it is from the mouth of God. Let us eat from the fruit that is in this garden and let us drink from the waters that are in this well. There is no need for us to see it in a place we cannot get to. "It is not in heaven" and it is not in crossing the sea (Deut 30:12-13). "In the mouth and in the heart" it is done (Deut 30:14). And woe to us! For we do not do it; it is far from us. We do not learn it though we came down from heaven! It was given to us and we believed in it. It was with them; it was within the Light. And the glory was around, for it was the word of God. His hand wrote and the Prophet received it with signs from on high. And YHWH came down and dwelt with him

[@IIIElijah]

Peace be to you, I meet with Him and Him often. I am from Him. 20th Adar 5777 I stood on Earth amidst The Refiner's Fire and The Fuller's Soap. There was a Witness with me. This was Corporeal. Elijah with Enoch

[@eileenmeltzer7615]

Also, Billy Joel wrote the song the Piano Man.

[@paulgemme6056]

Also, John Newton wrote the song "AMAZING GRACE"

[@plunkadelicdaydream]

The stock picture of Elton John goes to show how easily people misattribute sayings in addition to misremembering what was said. I’m not sure that was the intention, but if was, nice job!

[@Retrowaveresearch]

That last saying about women is very profound, similar to Taoism or Kundalini, Tomas speaks of fusing the yin and yang. The Prana and Apana, or in this case the combination of women and men. I am going to read the book of Tomas now. Great video.

[@paulgemme6056]

Jesus Christ is the only name by which a man's soul can be saved. Call upon the name of Lord Jesus. Believe and be saved.

[@Guerillapreneur]

@c marl it absolutely talks about kundalini and if you’ve had that experience you will know exactly the meaning of the riddles in this Gospel. He is the way and the truth and the life

[@Retrowaveresearch]

@@paulgemme6056 unless the man or women is perfect. That's the other way. But what does perfect atually mean? Morally? Physically? Perfect in the deeds they do?

[@Retrowaveresearch]

@@Guerillapreneur Jesus is flawless in his teachings. Man has skewed them. Before I became a Christian I trained many years in a type of internal kug fu. When I came to the realization the spirit realm is real, Jesus made all the more sense. Eventually I learned a kriya passed down by lahiri mahasaya. This taught me how to pray properly. Mathew 6:6. Unbelievers will never understand.

[@Guerillapreneur]

@c Marl, funny how you replied to a 10 month old comment so quickly:) I think many Christians do not understand the deeper meanings of the words of Christ as he spoke from a higher consciousness- which you cannot unravel with a 3D mind and ego. Unfortunately this is what most religions do - they do not understand different levels and consciousness. And they do not know about the spiritual nature of man. Making the woman a man and the man a woman speaks to the masculine and feminine principle in every being. It’s not about the 3D war of sexes. I know you know that- just writing this for anyone interested. Jesus asks us to seek the Kingdom of heavens and that the kingdom of god is found inside of us - yet they refuse to look inside. Praying is talking - meditating is listening. „My people die of lack of knowledge“🙏✨

[@Patrick77487]

As an atheist, my favorite gospel. No wonder early Christian Church rejected it as heretical. Makes too much sense. Too much self reflection, too many questions. Contrary to Paul's gospel of obedient blind faith.

[@TheGuiltsOfUs]

It is a work of Manichaeism.

[@dapaulson1]

Blind faith is redundant.

[@murielpucoe9213]

In the end , the atheist will also stand before God on judgement day.... and i hope you will be just as cocky as you are now! 😂

[@Patrick77487]

LOOK, more condescending wild assuming claims from cultist. 🤣🤣

[@duderama6750]

You seem to have an open mind. What say you to the claim that there are no contemporary documents that mention Jesus?

[@tool_fighter]

I think that the last saying was an incomplete one. It is too similar to “lest you make the male into the female and the female into the male..you won’t enter the kingdom.”

[@shanti9040]

It would have been a wonderful if we would have had videocameras at that time....

[@Mrjim6986]

Piano man is Billy Joel, yet you have a picture of Elton John? lol

[@MendTheWorld]

True, Ha-ha. You’ve heard one piano man, you’ve heard ‘em all…. at least in a manner of speaking. It’s sort of like all them gospels. They’re as different as Billy Joel and Reggie Dwight. Each one with its own tenor and resonance.

[@FrancisCWolfe]

I scrolled a long way to find this comment.

[@sethcasavant9572]

What if Thomas is Q

[@slizzysluzzer]

Thomas can't be Q by definition. Q is material shared by Matthew and Luke that does not overlap with Mark (e.g. the double tradition). Thomas has *some* double tradition sayings (in fact 37% of Q has Thomas parallels) but not all or even the lion's share of them. Is it possible that Matthew and Luke relied on Thomas or some earlier form of Thomas? Maybe. But you'd still need to come up with a way for the rest of the DT to have come about.

[@kyledefranco6720]

I like this guy and his content, but I'm not sure about the Aramaic Hypothesis.

[@james-ih9iy]

You didn't really explain yourself at the end but it came across as if you believe in this new idea that gender is not just male and female. Can you elaborate?

[@jayjayylao2017]

I think THOMAS is Q, Matthhew and Luke expanded on THOMAS. How can you say that Matthew copied from Luke when in another lecture of yours you stated that Matthew was decades ahead of Luke. It muddles your logic

[@nosuchthing8]

Another expert claimed Thomas is not gnostic

[@rpoorbaugh]

29:37

[@noahprice1040]

Billy Joel is the piano man, not Elton John.

[@wanderingpoet9999]

I would just like to make a point that even top biblical scholars are often not aware of as regards oral traditions. The scriptures of early Buddhism were transmitted orally for hundreds of years, their total length being many times that of the Bible, the English translation being 33 substantial books. This did not rely on being in rhyme or metre for transmission but there is a lot of repetition. The point is that a truly vast tradition can be transmitted orally, if there is a large group of settled monastics to recite it. As with any oral tradition of course it does not remain static, but the changes are likely to be more gradual than in the looser Chinese whispers situation envisaged for early Christianity.

[@carloshacer4440]

at 52:00 there is a reference to light being hidden in matter. Um Plank and Maxwell and Einstein might just agree

[@BobbyMakesFriends]

The only gospel where Elton John sings piano man

[@jeremymettler2785]

says exactly who wrote and how to test this moment .

[@shipmate3577]

Thomas was Jesus’ twin?

[@fredcleanstone5391]

"Trying to decide for themselves" ignores pentecost and the illumination of the Holy Trinity that was within their minds and hearts. It is as saying that Christ was deciding for Himself while he repeatedly said that He is not doing his own will but The Father's Will.

[@Neanderthal31416]

Pagels has been writing best-sellers that the Gospel of John was written/edited to refute the much older Gospel of Thomas. Strong evidence it's true. The non-superstitious Doubting Thomas was proven wrong, so the non-superstitions Gospel of Thomas must be wrong too and so on. That means Thomas was around, and called "Thomas" when disciples that knew Thomas were still around to dispute it. A very different breed of cat than the Christian Gospels written decades later.

[@Neanderthal31416]

@Darren The Gospel of Thomas isn't second century, capital "G" Gnostic. It's the opposite. There are hundreds of very strong Thomas/Christian Gospel parallels. Since you were a "gnostic" you should have no problem pointing out a Thomas/2nd century capital "G" Gnostic parallel. Just one, and I ***GUARANTEE*** you can't.

[@johnrhodes3350]

@@Neanderthal31416 I don't think the lecturer is saying what you attribute. There could be a typo in some slides. But when he speaks the word 'gnostic'.... You might hear it with a capital G. But usually I don't. Maybe Gnosticism is different from what 'The Gnostics' believed

[@Neanderthal31416]

@@johnrhodes3350 The lecturer is a great guy and well informed. I like and respect him. But to infer, in any way, shape or form, that the Gospel of Thomas related to the Gnostics in the slightest, is pure nonsense. It's the near-exact opposite. Has he spelled out the difference between capital "G" Gnostics and the general notion of respecting knowledge, "gnostic"? Not that I've noticed, but I could be wrong.

[@slicktrickyes]

“Pope Gregory I said that only a prophet could understand the prophets. And it is said that only a poet can understand a poet. Who, then, must we be in order to understand Yeshua?” - Jean-Yves Leloup

[@neilhundtoft4873]

The arrogance behind Leloup's comment cracks me up! Well of course (the comment assumes), it couldn't have been Jesus' audience, those uneducated bumpkins in Galilee to whom Jesus preached, who could have actually understood anything of what he said. The implication here is that Jesus' words have been waiting for 2,000 years, and maybe longer, before the oh so clever among us might discover their true meaning. Something is going wrong here. It makes me sigh. Neil Hundtoft

[@slicktrickyes]

@@neilhundtoft4873 Ok

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Long after the failed Crucifixion; *Act Thomae also shows that Jesus and Thomas also attended a Marriage Party in Taxila (now in Pakistan). Small statue of Thomas still exists in Taxila Museum. That marriage party was of daughter of Buddhist King (Raja) of Taxila whom Jesus converted. Act Thomae CLEARELY shows: Jesus was indeed in Taxila long after his failed Crucifixion. So Act Thomae confirms Quranic verse 4:157 which powerfully tells that Jesus did not die on the Cross*

[@Chris_Sheridan]

.. and you know your post is a lie.

[@Chris_Sheridan]

.. and you know your post is a lie.

[@abdar-rahman6965]

Act Thomae

[@StanKindly]

I'll have to go try and find it, but isn't elsewhere (in Nag Hammadi), I.e. Thomas or Gospel of Mary etc.. it talks about Mary is the most beloved disciple, and secrets are given to her that are kept from others. Also the others are jealous and criticize her etc etc..

[@micheledix2616]

That is exactly what I thought. But the misogynistic views ( of the times) of the other male disciples just could not believe that Jesus could place a woman ( probably his real wife) above them in importance. Jesus was call Rabbi and if he was a Rabbi he would need to be married as he was a law abiding Jew.

[@esem8657]

Yes in the Gospel of Mary, but it is not a Nag Hammadi text. It was published around the time the Nag scrolls were discovered so it often gets lumped in with them, but it wasn’t among the Nag scrolls.

[@merceddominguez2170]

I THOUGHT THIS WAS SOLELY ABT THE WRITINGS OF THOMAS; I READ THAT JESUS APPOINTED THOMAS TO DOCUMENT HIS MINISTRY. ▪︎15:00 INTO YOUR EXPLANATION, YOU SPEAK ABT WHAT MARK & LUKE WROTE, THE SLIGHT DIFFERENCES IN WORDS & THEIR MEANINGS. I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO DIRECTLY SPEAK ON WHAT THOMAS WROTE & I'LL FIND IT, JUST NOT HERE. I'M SURE THIS LECTURE WILL BE HELPFUL FOR OTHERS.

[@youtubesux6361]

Does the Hebrew Matthew change any of this?

[@andrewisjesus]

42:00 probably a pretty good indicator that this isn't a Gnostic Gospel and was just slandered as one

[@pat-rick9846]

This presenter speaks of the potential that Thomas was composed later from oral traditions, but this ignores what is declared in the opening statement of the Gospel, and that is, "These are the secret sayings of the living Jesus (the Jesus before crucifixion), and I Didymus Judas Thomas wrote them down".

[@brg1213]

Wait did you use the Bible to come to the conclusion that Jesus didn’t start a church?

[@ilabarlean1214]

Could you translate another possible translation to Thomas 114: or what was possibly meant by raising women to be men and then they too can enter the gates of Heaven. We have been having wonderful conversation around that here and how that statement has shown up in or old and modern history and how other sacred beliefs are similar and different.

[@Neanderthal31416]

If Mary Magdela was the Disciple Jesus Loved, then Thomas 114 and the end of GJohn are identical. Peter wanting to drive out the Disciple Jesus Loved from the group, after Jesus died, and Jesus reading him the riot act. Now, why would Peter want to drive him/her out? How does that make sense unless Jesus' relationship was romantic.

[@ilabarlean1214]

@@Neanderthal31416 that is a great question. And ‘if’ the relationship was romantic. There could be children, leading to another chapter shared. On eliminating any biological children on Jesus. If any of the transition of Jesus are close to the original words he spoke. Jesus was pretty radical for his time. Thank you for replying

[@Neanderthal31416]

@@ilabarlean1214 Well, in Mark/Luke/John, he only taught for a year (John 3 years), so together less than a year. Might not have been time. Also, Gospel of Thomas 21 is all sexual allegory. A variety of sayings often found elsewhere, collected because of the double meaning. And if you parse the words, he is saying he's the master of her house.

[@paulgemme6056]

Don't believe the lies. In Christ Jesus all are the same. One must be born again, born of the Spirit (Holy Spirit), born from above. Jesus Christ is the narrow gate/road. The only way to be saved. The only name by which a man can be saved - Jesus Christ. The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing. Read your bible and don't listen to all this garbage being taught by false teachers. False doctrine will lead a soul further down the road of lies and destruction. Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Peace be with you!) John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. (Jesus is the King of Glory!)

[@Jeremiah-h4u]

it has to do with the idea if the platonic soul, which is that women and man are the same spiritually in heaven, and will be in the likeness of angels.