CEO - "Why PAY interns at all if they'll work for FREE?"

[@JoshuaFluke1]

If you wanna watch it kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3XEf6F3h9StZ6M

[@spricket24]

I do lol thank you 😂🤷‍♀️

[@BDLabs2]

1:15 “Unpaid internships are generally for privileged people.” - Joshua Fluke 2021 PREACH 👏

[@D3w10n]

"If you want to increase your blood pressure to an unhealthy level"

[@NotTheOnlyMattAround]

"Why pay them when they'll work for free?" Perfectly moral and reasonable. "Why pay for your product when I can just take it for free?" NO! EVIL!

[@xMrPapadap0lis]

I mean they have a point though. If someone offered you two identical products but they were giving you one for free would you be like "nah fam, charge me money because reasons?"

[@vikash3589]

#piracy

[@also307]

@@xMrPapadap0lis what if they offered you to spend their entire 9-5 time (or more) every day creating products for you? wouldn't you feel some urge to be at least a bit grateful to them and pay them something?

[@xMrPapadap0lis]

@@NotTheOnlyMattAround okay but the company putting those items on the market isn't putting them out for free, getting them for free is illegal. What about what this company is doing is wrong? The company is literally telling these people "come work for us for free and you might get a job later on" and then they do. How is that the companies fault? They're straight up telling you there's no compensation for your work, not "come work for us now and we promise to pay you for it later". Again, if the videogame designer or movie production company or musical artist put their works on the market for free then why would you say "No, I demand you take compensation for your work"? Are you really trying to suggest for example that if a videogame was put out for free by the devopler people wouldnt take it and would be like "no I refuse to play this until you charge me money for it?" Lmao.

[@matane2465]

@@xMrPapadap0lis some developers do release their games for free. There's different models for games and how to profit off of them.

[@VarunSharma-dn8oq]

Unpaid internship is like saying, "we are just friends"

[@undeadblizzard]

I am fine being friends. However Friends give something back. I help a friend move. He bought us Pizza and Beers. Also he also drove US. He used his own gas.

[@zking2929]

I almost read your name as brother wobbuffett😂

[@undeadblizzard]

@@zking2929 Omg that is even better. I doing Batwolf from Avatar the Last Airbender. I would totally be a good waterbender.

[@chikipichi5280]

Friends without benefits

[@LukaDonesnitch]

🤣🤣

[@attache675]

Wtf is a company doing with 20 unpaid interns? That alone should be a red flag for anyone. That boss is a superb POS that got put in a corner.

[@patcoleman8606]

I would not do that unless the boss is blowing me all day...

[@miepmaster25]

Keep in mind the unpaid interns are young women so it shouldn’t be all that suprising

[@BichaelStevens]

"Why pay workers overtime if they will work overtime for free?" "Why respect workers rights if they will accept whatever we do?" And hello 1800s England!

[@ДаудМухамеджанов]

Comrade Stevens, that is classics in history that repeats again and again. People are uneducated-they start thinking in very idealistic way that they have choice, but actually there is almost no choice. Moral in society is derived from economical basis of society. That's why classics is still actual nowadays.

[@ADobbin1]

I don't know anyone who will work overtime for free, unless you count salary employees in which case its their job and they are generally paid more than hourly workers to start with and usually get better benefits.

[@BichaelStevens]

@@ADobbin1 Youre either very young or very lucky then

[@ThingsILikke]

@@ADobbin1 you have to or your boss will start retaliating

[@BichaelStevens]

@HereticVII Jesus Christ go away already you slaving blight on society

[@companymen42]

Imagine getting fired from an unpaid internship due to “budget cuts”.

[@MajesticLawnGnome]

Lol 😂 damnnn

[@ali_alami]

😂😂

[@MrVirkMedia]

😅

[@djsaekrakem3608]

yeah, those free coffees are adding up... Coffee FILTERS ARE EXPENSIVE! *boss counts his millions*

[@emon1019]

Lol

[@ogbrosephstalin]

"Slavery is more profitable than paid employees" - British CEO

[@Novusod]

Also said by Pharaoh 5000 years ago. Why pay for workers when there are so many slaves?

[@paul38876]

the difference is they fed, housed, provided medical care, and clothed the slaves. none of this is given to the interns

[@losttale1]

wowow hold ona minute. Slaves are fed. real slaves are the res tof us who pay for these loans via inflation/tax.

[@EriczZzric]

I bet unpaid interns cost less than slaves. You don’t even have to house or feed the intern. That one guy had to go into debt to work for FREE

[@sheezy2526]

There are people who built their great empire on slavery and imperialism so there you go.

[@pradeepraghuraman4430]

Even if you get to intern for Elon Musk, Bill Gates, etc., you shouldn't do it for free. They're rich enough to pay people to work for them.

[@claucemicro1080]

Yes.

[@dcgaming7249]

As long as there is a profit or purpose to your work everyone deserves a pay. If you put in effort you deserve something in return. I would never not pay someone if I profited off their labor. Might not be Much you deserve but you deserve something

[@ft9kop]

Musk at least does. I dunno about Gates. Tesla pays intern more than a lot of full time positions

[@JudgeGideon823]

Also, who gives a shit about billionaires? If someone's value as a person/business owner/mentor/etc is directly connected to accumulated wealth then sure. I personally don't think that a person's wealth or the size of their company should be as high on the list of things to look up to as people tend to do. If people want to flock to them then great, but I'll choose a more modest company ANY day. There are decent, knowledgeable, skilled people and business owners in all walks of life, not just these mega corporations. You'll be much more of a slave to the shitty cultures, values, and environments in a massive company run by people like these dweebs.

[@blaisetelfer8499]

I'll have to check about Microsoft, but Tesla and SpaceX internships are paid, so the argument *really* doesn't hold up lol

[@kray97]

Basically, this CEO is stealing money from her parents.

[@ebendewaal5956]

Her parents are funding her company with no returns.

[@GenerationApollo]

And that CEO will no doubt say how she built her company through hard work and how everyone needs to work as hard as she did if they want to succeed.

[@b.a6525]

@@GenerationApollo that is exactly true, I really despise those people.

[@flethacker]

more like her boyfriends

[@alvadagansta]

The highest paying companies (Google, Apple, etc) actually pay their interns a lot. If a company wants you to work for free, it is safe to assume that they actually don’t pay their employees that well.

[@milan51259]

1/3 of company unpaid internship means, they actually live off idiots working for them for free. Then pay other workers low wage and there you go. Your bs company is profitable (in fact not even operational without slaves).

[@WitchLuw]

Unless for connections and 100% new at it I can see that If not they got scamaz

[@NyakzOTSD]

I did an internship and applied for paying jobs the whole time! I got sacked after a week and did nothing for the comp y apart from eat cereal bars lol! Shit worked a charm

[@WitchLuw]

I mean that can earn your 6 figures & high roi skills So working for free like that wouldnt be bad

[@rishus7938]

@@WitchLuw No great company, worth its salt, makes interns work for free. In fact, they make sure that the intern gets a sense of how great the company is by paying good, and giving freebies. If a company makes you intern for free, probably not a place where you'd like to get employed full time.

[@jessyjulie5506]

All of these rich kids who were unpaid interns devalued all our labour. Thanks a lot! Thankfully people are waking up to this.

[@georgerafa5041]

Meh, high fashion is just another racket for the rich to launder money anyways. Hence why all their useless and retarded kids get into it. Their smart kids go into the actual family business. The Fredo's of the family get setup with golden parachutes like that.

[@jessyjulie5506]

@Ur mom how do you afford your bills though? That must be hard.

[@youdidntaskforthisbuthereitis]

I did attempt to hire interns, and they accepted, then ghosted. Makes sense really. Now I'm smarter, and will be paying a fair wage, as I should, for quality people.

[@payableondeath9091]

👏

[@tanyaexe8590]

Props!

[@svenofthejungle]

You're one of the good ones. God bless you, unless you're atheist, in which case you're doing the right thing.

[@johnmcnamara8741]

Much respect for your growth sir.

[@nestam6844]

"They do proper work in the sense that they learn proper skills but they need a lot of assistence to do those jobs correctly"

[@MDobri-sy1ce]

Internships are pretty much free labour mills nowadays. For example, a friend of mine had to do one in order to get his certificate. I knew they weren’t going to hire him. “3 months are up. It’s been great working with you. Next sucker, I mean applicant!”

[@matane2465]

Considering it's part of the course your internship is part of your tuition so you're paying to work.

[@МарияК-з1е]

Pretty much like some jobs in the US (talking off the internship topic now). So, they hire someone and pay them 75% of what they advertised position for, explaining that as "probation"period. No insurance, no bonuses, too. That period is 3 months. After three months, management fires an employee on spot, just saying he/she was not "culture fit". This way, they can avoid paying for the insurance, profit shares, 401 etc...

[@simonebernacchia]

Lately Italy is practically DRIVEN by free internships

[@JMDAmigaMusic]

@@blakejohnson3864 That work only for youngsters just out of school or that have their shoulders covered; actually i have reasons to think employers doubt of grown ups with recent internships in big brands

[@anthonyharris6881]

I know even some government agencies do unpaid internships. If the government do it how do we expect this to be regulated?

[@jamesabreumieses666]

Never take unpaid internships. While in college, I took an unpaid internship with a startup and they did not value my work even when I created many mechanisms to resolve many of their recurring problems. I quit. Got a paid internship with a energy company and did the same for them. When I was ready to go, they tried keeping me. I declined and took a job with a tech company.

[@TheCivildecay]

Mad respect ot the reporter btw, he doesn't shy away from asking the questions we want to hear and putting pressure on the CEO's

[@UrFaveMF]

Unpaid internships are a huge step up for the very privileged. I can't think of anything more classist. Thank you for standing up for workers. You're a truly important part of the movement for workers standing up for themselves!🙏🌟😊

[@mahmoudtokura]

This reminds me of when I still used to do freelance work. Some clients will try to pay me less than the project is worth and claim that their company name on my portfolio will get me more jobs. This "work for free and get paid with experience points" is BS.

[@flethacker]

heh, nowdays they try to sell you on 'equity' position

[@Jeru3]

Like in the gaming industry, they use their passion against them.

[@pablodelsegundo9502]

Exactly. But it works. Passionate people must be masochists.

[@pablodelsegundo9502]

@Alex Jossart NO U

[@MK_ULTRA420]

That's every entertainment industry, including fashion since that's entertainment for some women and men.

[@fawazsullia5620]

When one of my friends who was a strong opposer of unpaid internships started supporting it once he started a startup. I conclude, all employers are a holes

[@kekekek5849]

A company that isn't willing (or even capable) to pay you for your internship, isn't a company that's worth even getting a job at after the fact, you deserve better.

[@zionismisterrorism8716]

It's also a sign that it under-pays their real employees too.

[@justhoneypiex]

Josh, you are like a modern Robin Hood, you steal the dignity and the self-respect from those crooks (that stole it from us) and give it back to the people

[@thanksyahweh8777]

Preach.

[@claucemicro1080]

I bet it feels really weird to volunteer for companies that are glamorous. If they’re so cool and fashionable, why can’t they pay their workers?

[@thesuperstomper4776]

In college, my professor told me to never take an unpaid internship because it devalues the degree. I got an internship that paid 18/hr(pretty low tbh). I completely agree with his stance. It may be different for different industries, like fashion tho. I was in engineering.

[@Rellikan]

Good proffessor

[@wesleytakahashi5334]

Yes correct. No one in the trades would do that.

[@Purplesquigglystripe]

I just finished an art internship that paid $30/hr and got a job offer

[@losfromla1480]

18 is really low for an engineering internship.

[@AaaaNinja]

I don't know how it "devalues" the degree, nobody will ever know if you got paid or not. As long as you're getting something fair out of it, the only exception to pay is the job having to follow stricter rules and you getting academic credits.

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

In the UK It's illegal for a company to financially benefit from unpaid interns, it *must* be educational only; unless there's some obscure law tucked away that allows it to only apply to companies of certain sizes? I'm surprised this company hasn't had the balls fined off them

[@Novusod]

Laws that aren't enforced might as well not exist.

[@garysanders8350]

They do it with apprenticeships. Alot of them are internships in disguise. Make people go through an unpaid probation before the apprenticeship 'officially starts'. My niece did it with a famous salon where her salary was delayed a year before she gets half minumum wage doing a fulltime job. Alot of them dont pass through the probation and have given their time for free.

[@jackoberto01]

@@garysanders8350 A whole YEAR? I would understand I a month maybe but a year really?

[@garysanders8350]

@@jackoberto01 proper piss takers

[@AaaaNinja]

This video is from 2014, that sounds right around about the time enforcement measures were being taken and new rules made. Joshua is looking at a really old video.

[@vardamirithor6590]

I got paid for my summer internship. Having seen how much money is usually spent inefficiently, an internship payment is a rounding error. I have never worked, nor I will work for free for even an hour.

[@holocene2164]

Good for you! I did, when I was younger. Big mistake. Now I value my time and expertise. The problem is that even to this day, depending on the industry, unpaid internships sometimes are the norm so you have very little options left when you need an internship to graduate. It should be made illegal, in my opinion.

[@reformedartist8528]

Pay them because they're literally doing a position and the same work the person training them is. Interns are a way for corpos to use people for free labor.

[@payableondeath9091]

I know they are getting experience but its like its worst then ppl in jail, even they make like 10cents an hr🤣

[@reformedartist8528]

@@payableondeath9091 imagine studying for 4 years and even inmates make something off their labor compared to you. Btw even thats just as fucked up too.

[@payableondeath9091]

@@reformedartist8528 I feel you kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJzcgYqflp6El9k

[@yourbandisabusiness]

The flat that the intern is living in is in Chelsea, one of the most expensive neighbourhoods in London. I bet the reason her parents are never at home is because they actually live out in the country and the flat is just one of the properties they own.

[@losfromla1480]

That's literally what she said was happening.

[@rikumarcelin7004]

@@losfromla1480 😭😭😭

[@losfromla1480]

@@rikumarcelin7004 that's why unpaid internships are discriminatory, only the wealthy can afford to work for no pay.

[@wulfsorenson8859]

@@losfromla1480 it means only those from wealthy backgrounds land all the best jobs thus perpetuating social inequality.

[@losfromla1480]

@@wulfsorenson8859 the wealthy don't "land" jobs. They are awarded them through family connections.

[@kingali1606]

This is the type of mentality which is facilitating The Great Resignation, employers trying to get away with paying their employees as little as possible instead of treating them with dignity and respect.

[@wesleytakahashi5334]

Always negotiate salary

[@blaisetelfer8499]

She's merely saying aloud what everyone thinks when they're about to spend money on anything: could I get this for cheaper or free? Which is why people need to stop being willing to give away their labor for free. Employers aren't going to think your modesty is cute and say "no no, you deserve at least $20 an hour"; they're going to say "wow I just got the deal of a lifetime" and expect others to do the same.

[@anonymous38741]

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[@anonymous38741]

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[@ThingsILikke]

That totally depends on the employer.

[@anonymous38741]

sorry, i must have sent this in my sleep or something.

[@ThingsILikke]

I feel like they are pressured by their parents to do it. A surprising amount of parents will throw their kids out and cut them off if they don’t have a job- even if the job is paying them nothing and ruining their life

[@Yesitsmedaphne]

They're really trying to convince people that doing everything a paid employee does, for free, makes sense?🤔😂

[@ChristopherCricketWallace]

but...but...but... the MENTORSHIP! (they say) It's yet one more system that equates to legalized, modern, slavery.

[@woulfhound]

That's really bad. If the intern can do the same job as the employees but for free, then what's the point of paying the employees?

[@Vukii92]

​@@ChristopherCricketWallace yeah I just remember my first day after graduation in IT.... here are your admin rights here is your computer and your desk with a phone, do your job. Quote:" if you don't know something google it, if you can't find it and ondly then ask us ".... but I learnt more than I probably would have after 3 years of mentorship. Altough I was just an Idiot that didn't care and asked anyway and my colleagues told me after half a year they sometimes wanted to kill me because I asked stupid questions, but that "do or die" mentality and the colleagues that helped me to learn despite the fact that I asked stupid questions helped me to grow faster than I possibly would have if they where to just let me do menial labor with "tutorship" And I was at least paid, I mean it was as much as someone that worked in a supermarket, but I could live normaly and after a year I left for a better paid job.

[@ConradCreel]

"Ya know, I never thought of it like that"; It's slide 32 in the CFO's presentation to the board

[@conman698]

Only in this modern society can someone be smart enough to get a degree in physics and be stupid enough to work for free as an intern. wtf is happening.

[@naikyou]

Depending on the university, you don't really need to be smart or hard working to get a degree, just not illiterate (speaking as a graduate in industrial mathematics). Thanks to the push for more and more people to get into bachelor's (and master's) programs, the standards are dropping incredibly low. Mostly since it's not like we just magically got smarter in recent years, they just adapted the standards. A friend of mine graduated in mechanical engineering and the uni included 8th grade technical drawing, 7th grade physics and 12th grade mathematics lessons. It's a joke, really.

[@arkh1730]

@@naikyou in my case the university is so corrupt that it's like you say super easy yet they fail the ones they don't like and no one does anything even after complaining to the everything ...dumbest people finishing the degree and the real Smart people being fucked by the school and teacher is...very weird

[@jborrego2406]

Ppl think experience will help them get a job. But I seen so many jobs say they only expect experience with a paid intern job . So ppl are wasting there’s time

[@ollicron7397]

Horrible parenting advice. That's what's happening.

[@matane2465]

Wow, when your internship is being the janitor. I've done janitorial work. It can get pretty dirty and gross. You damn well better be getting paid well to do that job.

[@CoolnesXcore]

She is right, you need to refuse working for free and not let anyone exploit you.

[@grmpEqweer]

Unpaid internships are an inadvertent way to screen working class kids out of career paths while making more money. But this is a MeRiToCrAcY...

[@stefan1360]

Yes it is, those who are dumb enough to fall for this scam should rethink life. If people weren't sheep they wouldn't accept this trash unpaid positions. Those who don't fall for it get the paid positions cause they were smart enough not to be a slave lmao

[@rishus7938]

Yup if a skilled guy falls for an unpaid internship scan, no pity for him. 🤣

[@simonebernacchia]

@@stefan1360 sometimes the base requirement is to be young and naive

[@inspisiavideos8542]

I’m an intern as Software Engineer and live by myself. I left a job as an Assistant for nurses I had since 2013. I had to leave that job so I can be an intern in tech and start building experience. It’s definitely frightening because although my internship is paid it’s only until December but I needed to do it because I had no experience working at a company. I consider myself a decent coder with projects on my portfolio but they want to see years of experience at a company in a resume. I hope it gets better and people won’t have the mindset of work for free

[@jkdbuck7670]

Ok. It's December. I hope you're doing ok.

[@teethnclaws]

I love how that privileged little princess giggles at the question, considering SHE WAS paid during her internship and was hired on. She was the unique/outlier who didn't have to work for nothing to get the position she's in. Tell me you are privileged and have never struggled for money without telling me you've never been or known poverty. *giggle* "Pay them? hehe, no." This slaps in the face of all of those people who can't "get a foot in the door" because some of us actually have to earn a living because we never had parents who could or would help us anyway. This has to be illegal, considering they are denying disadvantaged individuals the same "opportunities" to likely get a job in the said industry simply because they can't afford to work for nothing. Pay your interns.

[@Sirstealthsalot]

Of course he's thought of unpaid workers improving his bottom line. He thought about it when he made the choice not to pay them.

[@Syntheis]

Usually companies try to sweet talk an intern role by advertising all of the 'exposure' and 'experience' you'll be getting because usually you would just be doing support roles and most of the time it would only be a handful of interns that they take on But when 20 out of 70 of your employees are interns it is quite obvious that they are essential to you making money and it's disgusting that they can get away with paying them nothing, especially in cases where they are doing the same jobs as others that ARE getting paid for it

[@SuperCaterina]

This is so messed up.... I have been there, too, as well, 10 years ago. It is the biggest trick of nowadays society: working for free to get the experience for your payed dream job. The truth is that you won't get anything. Please, don't accept to work for free or for low wages, your time is way much more precious than spending it to make other people rich. People should really learn to give value to their time

[@morganlee5774]

Thats sad. I've seen an american dude that created a fundraising project to pay interns. Even though his intentions are good this does not make any sense. The money shouldt come from donations , the EMPLOYER should pay for the service because they NEED it. Sadly a lot of kids think that internship experience looks so good on a resume that they should give their time for free. Nobody should never work for nothing. Because if you did in the past or are doing this right now , why a younger and more naive wouldnt do the same and the boss who loves modern-day slavery wouldnt prefer his robot than someone who actually will cost a penny?

[@chapdattext3167]

Fundraising projects to pay interns = the guy uses pity towards these unpaid interns as bait and keep the money to himself

[@michaelmcdowell7096]

She's sweeping, that's called being a custodian and its a job which means people pay u for that.

[@katherineminor3402]

Unpaid internships are only acceptable if they're paying for your rent, travel, food, clothing, and any supplies/tools needed for your job duties such as a cellphone.

[@jayzg60]

I worked 2 unpaid internships in college and learned a lot from them. However, it was 8-10 hours a week (1 day) but I was getting school credit. My 1st internship post college was minimum wage with OT. I would never recommend anyone work without some sort of return besides "foot in the door" because I didn't get a job at either of those unpaid internships. I felt devalued despite my efforts. However, my paid internships gave me a job that I am still at

[@StorytellerDan]

HATE these kinds of companies. The people signing up for them are just making it worse.

[@abbysworld05]

From what I heard, unpaid internships can be legal but others can be illegal, such as legal internships are generally more learning and are not treated like employees, what I mean by that is that they don’t have a workload like an employee does, there’s probably other things too, but things that can make an internship illegal can be when they expect experience even tho you are there for experience, another thing is they give you the same amount of work as a paid employee, you are pretty much a replacement for an employee, you just aren’t paid, also if they expect to know everything even tho you are there to learn, there’s probably more for both

[@dhruvshetty2127]

Imagine working a 15 months unpaid internship for a chance to get a foot into the door, Yikes Only then to hire the next unpaid intern, when you want to a full time position

[@dericmederos1514]

Sometimes i laugh and cry at the world i live in where i am willing to work hard for your company, but you just have to pay me well enough to support myself.

[@bilalkamran.1511]

So many software startups doing this as well. Free Internships should be banned. The loan guy must have been devastated.

[@scr4932]

There's no way for him to answer the "do the interns do proper work" question. If he says "no", he raises the question of why they're -enslaved- hired in the first place, and if he says "yes", well, we heard what happened.

[@aboxinspace]

Imho, that reporter is amazing

[@PokeMultiverse]

someone else in the comments had the answer to it. "They do proper work in the sense that they learn proper skills but they need a lot of assistance to do the job correctly."

[@JW-um5pg]

Your videos are amazing, Josh! So much brutal truths about corporate life. We need more limelight on these matters.

[@SuboptimalPrime]

No one is forcing them. Decisions have consequences - sometimes people need to learn it the hard way

[@cactus1]

3 things will determine your pay: 1. Is there a need for what you do? 2. What is your ability to do the job? 3. How hard is it to replace you? Guys, try to avoid crowded career fields, because then it's a race to the bottom on salary until you've earned a good reputation. Make sure that demand is outstripping or at least meeting supply.

[@formula1340]

This is the reason I left architecture. Fucking hell, after studying for 5 years + 1 internship, All I get is minimum wage salary for another 2 years in disguise of “apprenticeship”. And only after that I can only take licensure exam and finally get a livable wage that is still lower than a call center agent. Fuck that. I was lucky that I was a scholar in public University so I didn’t pay any tuition and have no debts. Most of my colleagues also left the profession to be call center agent because it pays 2.5x on what they’ll get on architecture. It really is all about demand and supply.

[@realmdarkness]

THat's the problem with STEM fields now. When I was in high school 10 years ago, they were the main fields that were profitable. Over that time, lots more people ran into those fields and now they're a race to the bottom, hiring unpaid interns and startups. I feel like the same thing will happen over the next 20 years with trade schools since people are waking up to what a scam college is. Wherever the money is people will flock to it in droves and drive down salaries

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@realmdarkness Looks like starting your own business will be the only guaranteed job security left.

[@inspisiavideos8542]

Joshua Fluke I also want to say that my internship at the company I work with started this past June and then last week was extended to December with a position as a UI React Software Engineer and it’s paid internship. Honestly, although I was given no guarantees to a job I still hope I get a job after the end of my internship. It’s crazy because I understand the desperation. I’m applying everywhere. I have until the end of the year to find a secure source of income.

[@TheMasterGamer94Meck]

So they are working for free in one of the most expensive cities in the world?? How is that not illegal

[@feo786]

Having to work without pay should be illegal.

[@mmm33303]

@Todd Packer Where I am from you often have to do work in specific fields so you can graduate Uni or often also school

[@Bob_Lob_Law]

@Todd Packer Yeah, on the other hand, these people are clearly stupid and need help. Also they devalue everyone else by working for free.

[@Grk149]

My old employer, a big consulting firm, always paid interns and pretty competitively because that’s how you attract talent. They were also on hourly pay and not on fixed salary like us permanent employees, so they even got overtime when working on demanding projects. I would never offer any of my time for free.

[@TheCarnivoreSoprano]

My bills ain't free, I'm not working for free.

[@somethingelse401]

I live in Massachusetts and I want to let you know that I am happy to state that it is against the law to have an unpaid internship

[@BichaelStevens]

"We gaslit people into being our b-ches, and they accept it, does that mean that's good? xD"

[@cx777o]

your profile pic matches your comment perfectly haha

[@mark38699]

Interning is fine as long as you are learning stuff. I interned before, when I felt like I was just doing repetitive stuff i.e. a job, I just quit

[@patthetech]

Even indentured servants got paid... granted they were paying off their debts and not actually getting money in pocket but still.. the actual slaves at least had "free" room/board... These unpaid "jobs" are even worse than that.

[@simplyincorrigible7708]

Kinda reaching with the slaves part but free room & board is accurate.

[@patthetech]

@@simplyincorrigible7708 is it even reaching half as far as people that think unpaid labor is good though ?

[@retrofraction]

The reason you pay your interns is because you are hiring the best person for the job. When you pay nothing, you get subpar desperate workers that will only add drama to the workplace.

[@NickolaySheitanov]

Still worth it to the ceo they don’t give a fuck they make billions off of free work

[@waqasmoosa2179]

This video is so relevant because I am searching for paid internships because I cannot afford to work for free and can't find it. Most calls and interviews are to work for free. Right now tech has so much competition that literally there are people available easily to work for free.

[@freedomdance7]

Modern slavery. Shameful America, shameful. 😟

[@timmy7201]

I would say that it depends of the circumstances. Where I live the unpaid intern is included in the last semester of higher education (bachelors / masters) degree. So while still a student, instead of following classes you go 'work' inside a real company to get experience. This is highly regulated and engineering students usually get a project they have to accomplish for the company, in the end they grade the student on his/her work. The college or campus enforces the company to sign a contract that clearly states: _"The student isn't a profitable employee, and can't be utilized as one."_ The contract further explains that the student should get a solo or team project with other students. The student has to have two mentors, one at the company and one at the educational facility, both mentors have to approve the project which the student(s) work(s) on. While its mostly not profitable, most (tech) companies like to mentor these students due to shortages of technical skilled people over here. Hoping that those students remain working at set company after their internship. Over here (in tech), nobody in their right mind would even suggest working for 'nothing' after completing their 'official' internship.

[@tori3158]

" How do l answer that? I never really thought about that " Yes u did. You just didn't expect a question about that.

[@nepfain8932]

Every unpaid wage is a wage untaxed.

[@jeffweingrad4658]

I was aghast that almost all of the summer jobs and internships when I went to grad school were all unpaid. Do you have to be rich to go to grad school, so you can afford to work for free and live over the summer? Some of them require you to live in another city for the summer, whilst unpaid! I think I now realize where the minimum wage came from.

[@TheAbhorrent1]

Also, to the people in the comments: for those of you who are college bound, I understand following your passion but please for the love of God look at the job outlook on your degree. If your passion is writing don't get a masters in English get a degree that helps supplements your passion and if all goes well you can slowly make your passion a full time well paying gig

[@rao8559]

I respect anyone who has a strong knowledge of literature and the arts in general. After all, if engineering, business, medicine is the body , then the arts are the soul of a society. Having said that- supply of these out strips demand. Too many people get into it because it is relatively easy degree to acquire but are shocked that the job prospects for them are slim as there is no tangible benefit to society

[@UrFaveMF]

@@rao8559 the arts benefit society. Remember that next time you watch a KZbin video, listen to music, see a movie... Geez! The arts are just not valued. There is a difference. College kids don't realize that you have to get a degree in something that will make money in order to make your artistic dreams come true.

[@rao8559]

@@UrFaveMF I dont think you understand what i meant. I meant that art for its own sake is not lucrative . Ironically the motto of MGM is ars gratia artis hahaha. I said that the supply outstrips demand. Maybe i phrased that poorly

[@leslie7922]

Me: I cleaned floors at work Fashion Industry: Hired!

[@trickmiller8169]

My brother took an unpaid internship about 9 years back with a news station and had to hold down another job while going to school. They dangled that carrot of potential employment for working the internship. In the end, he didn't get a job with them and had to move 1/2 way across the country to find a job that paid 14/hr. Internships should pay. Some college degrees require an internship, and on top of it, charge you for the college credits for the privilege of working for free.

[@selcal1948]

This channel deserves millions of subscibers. Keep up the good work josh.

[@engmahanhazrati]

shame on them. i was lucky enough that i learned the trade before i get into the market but still remember when part of my study was to work for free for a school and they barked orders at me and expected high standard result. i remember once the network admin asked me to update the OS on the site's computers and expected me to go out and buy the basic softwares like office and photoshop for the computers with my own money and then install it on the site. imagine being 15 and ask you such. i know it sounds weird and quite impossible but that's how they did it in iran. super happy i finished it fast and without losing any money for it.

[@ДаудМухамеджанов]

Comrades, that's ridiculous ! When I was around 16 years old I was doing small IT-related jobs like making landing pages, small websites based on wordpress, computer repairs and so on. One small company has put an order and I did it, but then they just refused to pay-they didn't got the results of my work, but the time was wasted. So, I've just ruined that company and made them bankrupt because their entire IT infrastructure was done by random small contractors for dirt-cheap or they just scammed them. They just lost clients, then profits and went bankrupt. Do you know how much do I asked for my work ? 50$ And now I see people in rich country working for free: that's a slavery by definition AFAR.

[@noahhughes612]

Sometimes my company lets us go out to breakfast in the morning but we have to pay for it

[@EricaChavira-on4oz]

😂😂

[@brpadington]

I have had companies tell me I'll get a raise after 90 days and they never follow through. Get that money you want up front.

[@Halz0holic]

Unpaid internships have been kind of thing in UK. It was a result of a lackluster job market and large cheap labor supply from poorer EU countries. This is far more prevalent in non STEM fields as you can see here.

[@serbianhammer]

I'm doing an internship right now and my school wouldn't let me find a paid one because that no longer counts as an internship -_-. Why do I have to work for free for it to count? What if they wanted to pay me? >:(

[@chapdattext3167]

Your school's probably afraid when you got a paid one, you'll think that your degree is no longer worth it and you drop out of college, leaving the school with no source of income.

[@serbianhammer]

@@chapdattext3167 The internships are only available during the final semester, so students would already owe money. Would be nice if I could make some to have an easier time paying my student loans 😪

[@Greatanotherchannel]

My question is if this b comes the norm how does a government get tax income from free labour from a company not paying business or corporation tax?

[@catarina81]

I live in UK and I studied fashion design. I got a fashion related job one month after I finish University, however it's not in the design department. Every entry level job for fashion designers ask for at least 2 years experience in a similar role, and the ones that dont ask experience are unpaid or they never even reply. It's pretty frustating because these companies are hiring people with experience in unpaid internships. I realised recently I need to be creating my own opportunities instead of waiting for others to give me (a paid) one.

[@troywalkertheprogressivean8433]

"....never thought about that...." now THAT'S priviledge

[@smileandnod]

Your videos have done so much to wake me up. One of the few channels I regularly bring up in conversations.

[@Stevan_275]

If you don't have the money to pay employees/interns, you can't afford to run a business.

[@SuboptimalPrime]

Apparently they can, if there's enough people dumb enough to work for free

[@jessyjulie5506]

When people say a business would fail if they paid their employees a living wage, it already has failed.

[@TheCivildecay]

I'm always amazed at the work fields where something like this is normalized.... I had a friend that worked in a factory at night to pay the bills while she was doing a internship at a local primary school (note that this was after she graduated to be a teacher) to get the experience to one day get hired as teacher... or someone that worked at a call center and tried to defend the company for inhumane work conditions and bosses getting angry if you went to the toilet for 7 minutes instead of 4...

[@acastanaz]

Last startup I worked with when down like this, they offer me 2400 USD after two months they told me they couldn't pay that amount to start with, but if I became the COO (of the Startup) they will offer me 1k plus stocks of the company, after 2 more months they offer me to be a cofounder while been the COO but this time the salary of the co-founders was 600, in my naïveness or stupidity I believed it. After two more months I left the company, with no payment whatsoever, nor percentage of the company, and accused me of taking customers with me... I didn't do that because I never compete/work in the same market as a previous employer... now, I am starting my own company and about to launch an ICO to fund it, let's see how it goes.

[@arturofederico8928]

I learned a while ago that there is no loyalty and your company will take everything from you. Since then I only do what I am paid to do nothing more nothing less. I don’t play into the corporate combayaa and we are family …. They are not your family.

[@sawyer4981]

If I need to work for free to get into an industry, I'm choosing a new industry.

[@jomesias]

So, if the fashion industry doesn’t allow for a profit margin: just don’t pay your employees! That’s sone mental gymnastics right there!

[@claudeyaz]

More videos like this! I am not in tech, and am severely disabled. But I like to learn more..

[@mreese8764]

5:55 He said *vital*. They might be bankrupt without unpaid interns.

[@consistentthoughts826]

In India there is a company that we have to pay to work there as an intern

[@MrClockw3rk]

First of all, she’s a psychopath. I agree that it’s a strange practice, and I would never accept an arrangement like that myself. But it’s also strange that individuals take the offer. Would anyone take the offer 50 years ago? I wonder… At what point do we analyze the fact that people are taking these offers, when other things are probably available. This is a supply and demand problem, and the demand for non paid jobs is present, for some weird reason. It’s unlikely that it can be changed by addressing only the supply side.

[@culturekingsboy6555]

I had to do some bottom desk favour to land my job haha

[@kaga1]

same shit happens in top Michelin star restaurants a lot free labor trying to make it the industry.

[@dexio85]

Typical example for "morals for thee but not for me".

[@lauriet5987]

Ya... during the last recession, lots of us were scammed by employers with unpaid internships and unpaid apprenticeships (most empty promises and under the table to save tax/insurance). Most people (supposedly) learned these lessons after those "dark ages". Free advice from an aged millennial for all you "youngsters": Don't work for free. And don't do extra without getting extra (pretend you are a cable/internet/phone/gaming company... more money for more services). 😎

[@teodoralovin5797]

To answer your question as in intern in the UK, unpaid internships are NOT legal in the UK

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Not even after college? Rip

[@noctreik]

Dude can you rephrase without so many negations in your sentence? I am sure it can be simplified. I just want to make sure you got it right.

[@sallydames5867]

I admit after graduation I did do an internship at the company though it was paid and in the next year, I've managed to get the full time job due to the availability in my team. But that's not always guaranteed, if there was no availability, I wouldn't have gotten that chance. That's why if you want to get experience, at least have it paid- internship or full time.

[@dark7element]

Bring back the guillotine. (You can pretty much post this on any joshua fluke video about a CEO these days and it'll apply)