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[@pauljb07]

I'm an employer. I've found that my employees are significantly more productive when they trust me and feel valued. They are people....

[@mrnogot4251]

Thats the thing, there are obvious reasons why this is bad for worker's efficiency and the company's profit. These CEOs know that. Its not about profit it is about POWER and CONTROL.

[@hatemymailbox]

I'm a welder, when i felt that employer treats me like an expendable asset i stopped giving fucks about work

[@fatesrequiem]

Clearly you’re not thinking on their level and treating them like slaves!

[@deettee6794]

once you start going up into larger businesses, that falls apart. mainly because of how "tall" the hierarchy is. competition gets stiffer, politics are expected and there's always someone above you that you have to justify yourself to. it's how shit like "key performance indexes" come about. they take all the factors that go into gauging productivity and boil it down to one number. if your number is bigger than your peers, you "win". so guess what happens when you have a bunch of insecure phonies in the workplace? they start looking for ways they can "win" without having to actually be more effective at their job than others. they're not going to bring up how you have to make less changes, your customers are happier, you spend less time coming up with solutions, or are overall more effective than them. they're going to be bringing up how they spend more time working, how you're on netflix half of the workday, how they type more or click more. mechanical stuff. because that's the only place they can beat you. when there's insecure phonies at every level of an organization, that's when this mechanical based "kpi" thing becomes the standard. because that's the only way they can get higher salary/promotions/survival. they can't out-perform a good employee. but they can out-click, out-type and out-sit them. so guess what "kpi" is going to be set for you?

[@codacreator6162]

Wish more felt that way. But, middle managers with no idea about how to run a team feel the need to be "doing something," which inevitably leads to "managing" their people. This monitoring and tracking is killing employees' health, leading to burnout, depression, and other serious mental health issues.

[@vadim6385]

They are measuring their performance with keystrokes and mouse movements? This is seriously dumb

[@seaglassdigita1329]

Some managers are so dumb that they can't begin to understand what their employees are working on, This makes them think it's easy. If they think mouse movements and keystrokes are the measure of productivity they should supervise typists or data entry staff.

[@BillClinton228]

Yeah you can do nothing all day, then open up Word and start pressing random keys and flinging your mouse around and you will soon exceed your performance quota. Only middle management can come up with such dumb ideas.

[@Benjamin-zr4yw]

@@BillClinton228 that's what will break the neck of many good employees. the good ones try to keep up with the pace. try to get shit done, while the workload continuously increases, because the leeches have created an bot typing random words and moving the mouse

[@exapsy]

And with watching your emails. And your phone calls.

[@madmartigan9720]

"Gaming" --> win

[@matthewsommerville88]

A friend of mine had a great joke: At an interview when they ask what your former boss would say about you just turn and ask them, what would your former employees say about you?

[@BigBrother4Life]

Then what happeend to your friend, was she selected?

[@matthewsommerville88]

@@BigBrother4Life They are a stand up comic so it was literally a joke they wrote and performed; that is their job so they dont have to deal with this shit anyway lol

[@johnuferbach9166]

@@matthewsommerville88 Not a bad question actually :)

[@PiscesPortalTarot]

Love it. LOL!

[@onlyLEVSKI]

That can actually be a very legit question to ask the interviewer. It's obviously quite risky but, hey, if they don't like it you probably dodged a bullet anyway.

[@gangrenemccluster7680]

When quarantine started, my boss wanted me to stream my desktop to her the entire workday. I did it for one day and she constantly made unhelpful comments. I refused to do it again after that. Last week they forced me to do it again and this HR guy watched me and would question "I noticed you weren't really doing much for about 5 minutes there, what happened?" like dude, I needed a few minutes to organize my thoughts and untangle this terrible write-up you guys gave me. I ended up getting fired a couple of days ago because I wasn't willing to play ball.

[@melmelcorvette]

Sorry to hear that I don’t blame you

[@DavidNwokoye]

Quarantine exposed the true colors of a lot of bosses. You might've dodged a bullet there

[@ccricers]

HR forgot about the 'human' part

[@ForgottenKnight1]

Please tell the name of the company and the field, so other people can stay away.

[@user-rp3ox4rw6d]

Not alone. And that's not someone you ever want to work for in the long-term

[@adriangabriel9486]

"if you have nothing to hide, i should be able to look at what you're doing" no. I have nothing to hide so you have no reason to look.

[@totorofosho]

I love it when the company I work for invests in technology that helps them find excuses to not pay me, instead of investing in me.

[@jgdooley2003]

More and more people will have to become 1 man companies, investing in themselves from their own resources and taking their own careers in hand on an ongoing basis over their entire working lives.

[@kisstune]

No programmer needs any more training they all should just intuitively know how to use the latest programming language so let's spend the money on training and development on tracking software and yachts and jets.

[@totorofosho]

@@kisstune I really don't have a problem with them buying yachts and jets because it's their money. Not that we're talking about organizations with that level of money, but you know what I mean. I just have a problem with idiots who think their business is going to grow by spending on torturing their employees with technology that encourages them to manipulate useless metrics instead of working.

[@kisstune]

@@totorofosho I don't really care what they do with their money I just say more power to them but I do object when they buy tracking software insteadconventional. Read invest in employees so they get better at their jobs. They could use the money wasted on tracking software to improve morale jets yachts or conventiond. I'm just ranting about how much I hate those programs sorry I wasn't clear about that.

[@TriniGamerGirl7]

I love your username.

[@TheGamer-bf5wm]

I had a glass window behind me which my boss could always look over to see what I was doing .... It's anxiety inducing to work in a place where you aren't allowed to breath without someone seeing it.

[@BrickworksDK]

It really is. In the modern open office, I've always tried to get a place where my back is to the wall. I absolutely hate sitting in a spot where everyone can see what I'm doing.

[@solidsnake5644]

Just add a poster with some bs work motivational quote on it. If he questions it, just say that having that poster in that exact spot is really helpful for your work ethic.

[@stevedoetsch]

I also had a glass window behind me which I knew the boss used to look at my screen. One day he was gone for the day, so I sat in his chair and looked at my screen in the window and realized if I dimmed the brightness just enough on the monitor then it wiould no longer appear in the window reflection. The next day he came to work and mentioned my screen brightness. I said "Yeah, it was straining on my eyes, so I turned it down. " He never mentioned or saw my screen again, and had no idea I knew his secret.

[@nicholaslogan5185]

I had the same thing at a company I worked at. The bosses offices were all at the back of the office so they walked by everyone's windows going to the kitchen or meeting rooms. We got a group talking to for to many people "playing video games" during work.... We were a game development team.....

[@thedoublehelix5661]

@@nicholaslogan5185 lmfao

[@philzan3627]

The issues here are twofold: 1. They are transforming you, a person, into a number. None of these softwares will ever be able to actually capture your true value. Even if you dawdle all day, if you saved that deal with a client that pays 20% of the company's revenue, this software won't record it as such. Note that this is what managers are there to do: all they do is numbers report. They don't even know what these numbers mean, they just make them look pretty. 2. The ultimate argument against "If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't worry" isn't that it's wrong (it is). It is that getting constantly spied on will never result in using the data IN YOUR FAVOR. EVER! If you are a straight arrow citizen and help an elderly lady home with her groceries and she just so happens to live close to the hookers in the neighbourhood, the tracking software will never make that distinction nor will it ever be interpreted as anything other than you went to visit hookers. That's the problem! All this does is incriminate, it doesn't exonerate. Please use this argument in the future ffs.

[@hayuseen6683]

Publish the manager’s stats using the same software. Unless they have something to hide.

[@BillClinton228]

... and that's the whole point, to incriminate you into something, anything. Bosses who trust their employees and have a good relationship with them will never use this software. This software is for paranoid control freaks who are constantly on the lookout for an excuse to give out warnings and fire people. This software does not constitute "working in good faith" by definition. I've also noticed this in alot of interviews especially in the tech industry. People are constantly looking for reasons to disqualify you as a candidate, and they focus more on the experience you dont have than the experience YOU DO have. For example, you might be a programmer with alot of experience in several programming languages that the company uses, but if you havent worked with a framework they use, then you are considered to be unqualified for the position. Wait a minute, so you are telling me that a senior developer with over 10 years experience in different fields and languages can't learn a simple framework????

[@NexLegacyAccount]

"They don't even know what these numbers mean, they just make them look pretty." I deal with this constantly at my warehouse job. We get new managers in there all the time that will flood the shit out of my department thinking more work will get done. Problem is the department has a set capacity at how much we can fit in it and process at a time, and every time they flood us, we end up with late or incomplete trucks because we aren't able to organize and process all of what they're sending us in one huge chunk. Then they want to come down and argue with people who have been working there for a year or longer. All they're seeing is the stuff getting scanned in. They aren't paying attention to anything else we have to do to it before it gets to the truck.

[@mattpedia1933]

When the pandemic started, my boss made me the one in charge of tracking the other employees. Nothing I did was enough info for him and it soon became a full time job on its own. I wasn't able to keep up on my own duties besides tracking. Then I was fired for "poor performance" after I said it would be unethical and refused to put spyware on my coworkers computers without their knowledge.

[@KeMoNi]

Did you file with a lawyer, sound like retaliation and conspiracy?

[@Invisible12345ful]

Management being hungry for monitoring is just a sign of inconfidence and distrust. Such a company is bound to fail eventually

[@pestilence696]

Not necessarily. They can just burn through hordes of people endlessly or until they realise something is not right in there. A company I worked for has been continually relentlessly hiring for 3 years. In my 2 years there, half of the people I knew decided to quit. This is the badly managed profit-at-any-cost machine.

[@Macheako]

Also of managerial incompetence. They legit don't understand WHAT their employees do.... But they better be doing something!! 🤣👍🏻

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

The are betting on the psychological effect that you'll work harder when you think they are watching you and you see how much harder your co workers work.

[@fabianbello8128]

Completely agree. It's also kind of a personality projection, a recognition of their own untrustworthiness.

[@justterry6135]

Bad employer: More bonus for project completion for motivation -- NO Tons of money into employee monitoring software and programs -- HELL YES

[@yak55x]

I'd like to track my boss's activities. I'm pretty sure he doesn't do a damn thing and leaves early 3 days a week.

[@the1anonymouse]

Here's how I'd run a business. I hire you to do a thing. If you do the thing, I pay you.

[@Zombie1Boy]

Here's how I manage the people under me: If I am happy with your performance for the you do the thing, I tell you.

[@drewmortenson]

that's called being a general contractor I believe. Hiring independent contractors. I personally would be of the mindset that I pay you what it's worth to me to have you work for me, If you do the things I ask with in reason then you don't get fired, if you exceed expectations, or show you are worth more than I was initially aware of then you get a raise to whatever your new worth to the company is. It isn't difficult and I don't get why some people allow themselves to get corrupted chasing a dollar sign. At the end of the day money isn't worth anything if you don't have a purpose for it

[@perfectwhine742]

I'm so glad to have my own architecture firm, and to play my employees by the job. Not the hour. I have deadlines but I've never hassled my employees other than a normal checkups. It's nice to be respected and liked by employees instead of hated.

[@TheRonpe]

If i was monitored with such a tool, i would probably code something to do tasks, that increases my "Prodoscore".

[@stuontwo677]

except you wouldn't cos if they're going to monitor you like that you can sure as hell bet your ass your machine is so locked down you can't run anything thats not sanctioned......sad but true.

[@CodeTalkerLooter]

@@stuontwo677 A,lso, they might be monitoring the files that you are working on.

[@novaaetas7492]

At my work this is close to what's happening. Instead of focusing on providing value, we instead feed a machine to increase the numbers on our various dashboards. We've become masters of doing the exact same work but maximizing our stats through filler and other bullshit. Management is putting the cart before the horse here but.. if it's what they want then we'll give it to them.

[@Alche_mist]

Government funding for scientists (Czech here) tends to be locked by absurd paperwork of this "scoring" type. Needless to say, the scientists tend to be quite smart, so the computational chemists wrote a "paperwork bot" to feed the paperwork with credible-enough bullshit so they can do what they should and want to do - the actual scientific work.

[@daw329]

@@stuontwo677 if a software developer can't find a solution to such a technical problem, then they probably aren't very good at there job anyway. This isn't magic, just more buggy software taking advantage of a manager class unwittingly putting themselves in position to be replaced.

[@Radeo]

This is the same as when some companies used to ask for social media access. “Well if you don’t have anything to hide...”. Who is attracted and who is repulsed by such policies? Honest people are disgusted. Dishonest people think, “I’ll just make a fake profile and...” and so on. Rewarding vice attracts more vice and runs off virtue. Rewarding virtue brings success.

[@Hawaiiansky11]

Now, a lot of companies insist on you given them your LinkedIn IRL as part of the application process. I need to create a dummy one that only spews, "I love working OT!" and "Bosses are the best" or some crap like that.

[@sladetheenlightened6767]

"If you wanna be a victim, in sales you can always be the victim" -- Sounds like someone needs to get pistol-whipped by reality.

[@hansonel]

I know right? Play the "victim"....? "They know we're always watching; which is good." Really Reggie? Toxic boss alert

[@karliah1337]

Sounds like someone needs to get pistol-whipped ̶b̶y̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶i̶t̶y̶.̶ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@baatar]

“You don’t have to worry if you have nothing to hide” You know who else said that? The Soviet Union

[@obvious_humor]

*USA

[@markarca6360]

North Korea and China, as well.

[@archygrey9093]

Thats like saying you don't need freedom of speech because you have nothing to say

[@Tempusverum]

Dah, komrade. Now sit down and say you like it.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

Tbf I hear this kind of bull in every country nowadays. I don't want my phone to be tracked 24/7. Why? Maybe because I don't trust neither goverments nor corporations. They always reply "as long as you don't break the law you don't have to be afraid" Who decides what the law is?

[@Omikoshi78]

I subscribed because you’re brutally honest lol. Call these people out! You’re the advocate for the people.

[@darlantro]

It's funny that by demonstrating their distrust of employees, managers actually sew distrust within their employees... it's like how projection of insecurities onto others can actually leading to their manifestation.

[@vamsishankar2825]

1:09 gitlab was coded in ruby and some parts in Golang , the authors of the programming language don't have stackoverflow accounts, so are they rejected too? Such a**hole HR guys and recruiters.

[@soundaryabaswarajsheher6574]

You know, something about Micro managers don't know how to hire well

[@bucketofsteam9260]

Very fortunate to have a manager who says these are our KPI turnarounds and I don't care how you get it done as long as it's on time and accurate.

[@neekoless]

Rip unnecessary emails if they increase your productivity score, oh the more emails I send the more productivity points I get? Guess Ill turn those 5 emails into 25 to not get fired for having too low of a productivity score.

[@victorsaenz9452]

I’m a veteran and I refuse to work for a company that’s going to treat me like a child after being treated like a slave I actually value my time and I won’t work for a company that does stuff like this

[@liquerinfrnt]

"I pay you a small part of the value you create, so I deserve to be able to spy on you as much as i want to make sure you're actually working!" -CEO who doesn't create anything of value but still makes 100x as much as any employee

[@Macheako]

Oh but im sure CEO's aren't replaceable parts of an organization like most other employees.... Oh wait...

[@noobgamer-cq1wm]

We need socialism.

[@beldiman5870]

sad but true

[@MrsDazl]

🤔 except for the value of the idea of creating the company, which employs you. That person takes the risk of failure more than his employees do. All the $$ and stress that person put into building that company could be gone after a bad quarter, but you still get your biweekly check and if the company goes under (you should be building your skills and side hustling anyway) find another job. I just started a new better paying job after searching since November... woulda been quicker, but the cooties virus hit. And I'm a black female, so don't go into "only white people can do this" bs. Dinesh D'Souza actually does an excellent job at dismantling this wayward concept of yours. Id challenge myself if I were you. Edit: I said all that to make the point about his $ vs employees $. Not to support the spying idea. That's partially why I left the last job.

[@liquerinfrnt]

@@MrsDazl you're conflating small business with big corporations. Most corporations (i.e. the ones that keep buying out and destroying small individuals and consolidating the market) are long established and have gone through dozens of CEOs. Most CEOs get paid millions to come in and cut corners and underpay the workers to increase the bottom lines for the shareholders. It's a scummy fucking system.

[@frowningscyth]

You have a very important channel Joshua, I hope that this topic will catch on large scale

[@angryox3102]

Us call center workers are used to being tracked all day everyday. It’s terrible.

[@brandonjordahl2283]

Wow, lady. “We’ve found workers are willing to forgo their privacy for jobs.” Really? People are willing to give up privacy to continue to not starve to death? Fascinating…

[@joemusashi3744]

This is exactly why talented people aren't to work for these people. Those do want to work for them are people without limited options. Even then they're going to end up doing an "ok" job just to get a paycheck from them. Don't expect "innovation" or "creative." Why should they work hard for such a company? Imagine being constantly being monitored like you're in a prison. If people can, they will leave these companies.

[@jasonmighty3328]

I had a coworker who could honestly get a days work done in 1-2 hours. Made me feel like shit when i use to work next to him but he can honestly do all the work and watch netflix when working from home.

[@JodyBruchon]

....not enough Stack Overflow points to be EMPLOYED? SERIOUSLY?! Stack Overflow is all about helping other people online with their problems if you are inclined to do so, but there are SO MANY REASONS that a well-qualified coder isn't going to have a glorious SO profile. Some of us just don't have time to answer questions for other people all day long. Do they want a coder or a person that will sit around all day answering questions for people outside the company?

[@defaultuser-s5g]

I wonder if HR and the CEO's have to have this tracking software installed (doubt it.)

[@randallb.7180]

It's time to start forming unions.

[@llr1961]

Along those same lines, where I work, they're always pushing customer service surveys. In some ways, this just promotes that, 'The customer is always right' mentality. Most of the time you're just trying to stand by the company's guidelines, and you have no power to do otherwise. Customers can be such jerks sometimes because they know this. So what I plan to do when getting a survey as a customer is to give the agent kudos, but at the same time chide the corporation a bit for having these endless surveys in the first place. And yeah, it's another tool they use to 'inspire that competition' between us worker bees.

[@flyingnemo100]

since I work in a small company, if I don't do work company does not make progress in the project. Thus I have to do work no matter what xD

[@FrancoCastro]

I work with one of the top 10 IT companies. I've been working remotely for the last 10 years probably, I spend at least 2 or 3 hours slacking, watching something in youtube or just doing nothing 'productive' and some how still I'm among the top 5 performers in a team of over a hundred colleagues world wide, noy only have one of the highest customer ratings but also close not only the most but fastest my tickets/bugs. I some times woke up at 3am when suddenly I realize how to fix something and I just jump directly to my computer to test it. I'm pretty sure that I really work not more than 3 hours a day. They day I'm told that I will be monitored is the day that I'll send my two weeks notice.

[@Lbiuzu]

Metrics are never a true measure of the work being done. You can also always manipulate them as well.

[@alexlun4464]

It all seems a good idea at first until they realise that there's always gonna be people that will cheat the system. People that will just askfdgjhgfasdgfkjasdgf their pc's in order to get those keystrokes rates up. Maybe just do some stupid random clicks on the screen. So far things have been working fine, they give a project and a deadline, and you as an employee deliver within that deadline. But sucks that many employers get pissed when you finish a 2 week project in like what 5 days, and spend the other days basically doing other stuff. Not our fault if we work more efficiently than other people, shouldn't be an excuse for them to pay less.

[@firkyunbanaya]

I used to work for such a company, and what I would do is keep a Bluetooth mouse in my pocket and installed tabswitcher and g on with my daily routine

[@freshswagga100]

@@firkyunbanaya good work. Gotta finese the system to stick it to the man!

[@bobbysingh5666]

literally would take the devleopers 2 minutes to make a python scritp that random moves the mouse andtypes on the keyboard every minute

[@jazzman92478]

"Throbber" Portable Apps (emphasis on portable so get around security) were my go to in corporate life. Run those apps and walk away for a bit. Or, you know, take more than 10 minutes to enjoy your lunch.

[@Laudanum-gq3bl]

I’ve been a remote employee since 2019. I get MORE done while actually working fewer hours because I’m not being interrupted for bullshit chitchat. Humans can only be so productive, in or out of work. Set work goals. If people meet or exceed them, leave them alone.

[@JodyBruchon]

They think they can use some stupid combination of raw numbers to score your productivity? LOL. Let's remember that lines of code is a trash measurement of productivity for good reasons, and also this from someone very hard to argue against: "One of my most productive days was throwing away 1,000 lines of code." - Ken Thompson, one of the two creators of UNIX.

[@philtabest]

I used to work sales for an insurance company that had screen and phone recording in place. If the screen recorder didn't track mouse movement for over 10 minutes, it notified HR and sometimes we'd be called into a meeting for this even if we were on lunch at the time. There was a workaround to turn off the tracking though. The company wasn't allowed to record the screen or phone call when the payment system was open on the card details info. We just kept the payment system open all the time.

[@DylanRutter]

This is one I highly agree with. Metrics have become something that take the human element out of management. So managers don't have to manage and can just dick around in meetings and then just look at your numbers and ding people for it. It's trash. Especially in customer service, which is the realm I came from and started my career. Sometimes you have to tell people no to properly represent your company so they give you a bad survey score and then a manager who hasn't spoken to you in a month or two are like whelp you suck. People need to be treated like people. This shit is inhumane. But they don't care because they just use you till you're burnt out and the recycle someone else in all hyped up on a new company and job.

[@kevinl6231]

My home is my sanctuary. I will not allow a ceo into my home.

[@jibraniqbal7830]

worked for a local company, they did track me, if you don't move your mouse pc will lock, you will be inactive marked, so i usually placed mouse in uneven surface where light deflects in a way that makes mouse cursor go left-right, so no more locks.

[@zonk1477]

This is so bad it's basically collecting a treasure trove of data like passwords, sensitive client material related to your job on your screen. This is terrible, what would happen if this data was ever breached or compromised.

[@jaibux]

Freelancing full time is becoming very popular this year. You have the freedom to choose your work. No strings attached equals happiness. I do it (partially for now).

[@robertcohen1888]

The last organization I worked for when I started, way before Covid I was expected to work off hours quite a bit. And originally they supplied me with a cell phone and they compensated me for part of my Internet bill. Fast forward a few years they decided they weren’t going to supply a cell phone and they weren’t going to compensate me for my Internet bill at all. At that point I was working from home full-time and working easily 30% overtime all week. When I started working from home my manager was surprised at how much higher my productivity was. I then had to explain to him that my productivity gain was because I wasn’t being interrupted on an hourly basis by micro managers. And by other people who just had nothing to do all day and wanted to waste time. If they had started tracking me I would’ve disconnected once an hour for 15 minutes just to screw with them. I was a knowledge worker and they were a lot of time where I’d be looking at systems evaluating what was going on and not touch a mouse or keyboard so if their county key clicks or mice movements they’re going to see zero even though I am working. This is nothing but tiny minded people that can’t understand that there are folks that work for them that will be and will act as responsible adults. Am I seeing everyone was like this no there were some people that when they said they were working from home we knew they were at the beach they were on trips to Home Depot they were not available. I hold myself to a higher standard than that.

[@qwerasdfhjkio]

7:14 MY RIGHT EAR GODDD

[@johnjohnson3390]

These employers would not want to be tracked like they track others

[@BookofYAH777]

If the CEOs don't want to be tracked by their employees, then the CEOs must be doing something wrong. The same goes for politicians

[@keyrtan]

if your constitution includes the words “inalienable rights”, they CANNOT be given up.

[@mnreddy6443]

LMAO. I have been wearing shorts for the last eight months every day. I attended scrum calls with shorts.

[@MaloneMantooth]

It's actually because of billing. They can bill the customer as much as they want as long as they have the data to back it up.

[@SvetoslavKostadinov]

Josh, you should make a video on "how to find out if your work laptop has a tracking tools installed"

[@JoshuaFluke1]

I'm not sure if there is a catch all way

[@JOHN_WICK_IS_SICK]

I think you should consider debating this with people who don't agree with you. people coming from the sales environment might tend to agree with monitoring being competitive and fun. Especially considering a lot of sales teams are the highest paid and most respected teams in a lot of companies. You bring up good points with certain types of monitoring but monitoring actual work performance is somewhat reasonable.

[@munster1404]

These CEOs have a narcissistic control issue. Why would they have a problem as long as the employees finish their assignments in time?

[@timmy7201]

1:19 - _"For some people there is a real fear, of, if you send all of your employees to work from home, won't they just watch Netflix, play video games, not get dressed and you would still be paying them."_ As a developer I have a mortal fear of having to come into office, finding myself a good hiding spot where I can get some *real* work done for 2 whole hours, before management discovers me and interrupts me each 15 min for the next 2 hours, then forces me into meetings for another 4 hours, where I eventually do either nothing, or explain the same thing for the 55th time over and over again... While working from home I have +8 hours of uninterrupted time and I refer to those so called 'Skype meetings' where I'm only needed for 5 minutes, as 'Potato peel hour' for the first one, 'cooking dinner hour' for the second one. You just need a decent wireless headset with active noise cancellation for this. This gives me more time to to some *real* work later in the evening, as I don't have to think about cooking dinner anymore at 8PM. About the not getting dressed part, let's see that as a defense mechanism to avoid management from appearing at my doorstep without former notice!

[@Watchinclouds]

It's invasive and should be illegal. It damn near violates your basic human rights. I've been working remotely for the past 4 years and I believe the only tracking they do is take random screenshots of your screen which I already use stricklyfor work purposes. I know other people use our work laptop for other apps like KZbin or music apps or Amazon shopping or whatever else. We use Teams to let our team know that we are logged in and ADP to login our hours at least every other day. My current employer doesn't really micromanage us as far as productivity. We already know what is expected of us and we make sure to fulfill our expected duties.

[@e.a.herman2104]

Breaks, time off, vacations and time with family/friends make people more efficient and better workers.

[@BigBrother4Life]

There is still a way you can beat that; you should use your own personal laptops for listening to songs and netflix.

[@vamsishankar2825]

Why is your voice low? I can't hear you speak properly.

[@TheMegaOculus]

Track me daddy, UwU

[@wimeatsworld]

Imagine not even a year later they're already starting to kick remote out again...

[@TheT.I.Project]

My last company harassed me out of the industry that I worked in

[@jlogan2228]

"But how will we know you are working ?" BC THE WORK IS GETTING DONE!!! I swear this micro managing shit is the fastest way to lose good workers. Iv legit seen people quit bc due to their work they have long stretches of not clicking or typing anything bc they either are in a meeting, doing actual paperwork that they have to scan and fax later, etc and they are constantly getting lectured to "just click your mouse every few minutes" like they have to stop what they are doing just to make the porgram think they are being productive........craziness

[@tsipher]

Are the employees able to see the work the management team in charge of this system are doing? I want to make sure my leaders are working to improve the business and such after all.

[@theglassarrow_]

Best part of small companies is that they cant afford to do this. also I get the option of using my personal laptop of which they cant install programs on with out my knowledge

[@hungp.8191]

These CEOs and Managers are disgusting. Beyond micromanaging..

[@jovannikolic9009]

Well I am a undergraduate student of Engineering management and in Theory from management point of view, if you can track or measure something then you can MANAGE it. But yeah this.., if something is bullshit it's bullshit...

[@rucham5714]

Few companies have swipe cards even for their washrooms....

[@Cosmic_Code]

As a Danish person, I detest this big brother society.

[@Original50]

A good manager sets S.M.A.R.T. goals, has regular 1:1s and expects progress updates. That's their job and why they get paid more.

[@MariaCurry]

monitoring employees is sick sry.... it just puts more pressure on people

[@JohnnyMayHymn]

what they're calling consent is blackmail

[@WOLFSTER2011]

Time to listen to Simon Sinek. Would be a great lesson for those Micro Managers.

[@johndough8699]

“How do we measure the CEO’s performance?” “By increasing our stock price, etc” Sooooo... by your results, not by your screen time???

[@Macheako]

Beautiful

[@rustykeyes]

Gottem

[@AllanSavolainen]

I don't think the stock price usually has anything to do with the CEO :)

[@oscarrosado6440]

Even a stock price can be dolled up you know. Seriously, I am starting to believe that CEOs are the new snake oil salesmen.

[@gpsoftsk1]

@@oscarrosado6440 Yes, definitely they are.

[@ZipMapp]

I'm a software engineer. There are days where I will slack on youtube, take a shower, do my laundry, play some music. And my superior knows that I'm not working 100% of the time and that this slack allows me to take a step back and make the good design choices. No good software engineer/architect can produce quality by staring at the screen 8h/day

[@wlockhart]

Exactly, if I was working intensely at the laptop continuously at software engineering problems, my brain would give up by the early afternoon. It would be like a CPU running at 100% all the time, but humans are not computers.

[@Waitwhat469]

I make a lot of decisions while slacking. Researching stuff overloads me and I kind of just have to relax to process what can be a lot of info.

[@Sk0lzky]

It's true for every single job that requires thinking (and actually to a larger extent all jobs, I remember reading about an experiment with rotating production line workers between different roles and it improved their productivity despite the time "wasted" on switching places)

[@HelloWorld-lg1pz]

@@wlockhart 100 percent use is fine as long as the brain stays cool. Try placing a heatsink/fan on your head to prevent damaging temps. "Pick up that can!"

[@cadcad-jm3pf]

If you meet all the deadlines and produce quality code, who cares whether you work 3, 8 or 20 hours a day and what you do in the process? Conversely, if you're not delivering the results, is it really an excuse that you "work hard"?

[@mirceaungureanu5305]

The most talented software engineer I know only interacts with his computer maybe half of the time, the rest he spends staring into space and solving the problem in his head. Also, he uses VIM so barely touches his mouse. So yeah, he should be fired.

[@slothninja2139]

This is how a lot of "problem solving" jobs are. You spend a good amount of time working through the problem, then you design, build, and implement the solution. I do everything from coding to project management in more than a few fields. A lot of my time is spent drawing things out on paper or discussing the problem with my work ducks.

[@rahuldutt1358]

@Super I have worked with these idiots with fancy MBAs and I know exactly what you mean. They are straightaway put on managerial roles, supervising people they aren't qualified to serve coffee to. Most of these MBA types become tyrannical parasites, making insane promises to the client, and then driving their team to depression to achieve an impossible number at an impossible budget. When after months of sleepless nights, when we somehow do manage to deliver, they spent half a day making a fancy 100 page presentation (with 70 of them being screenshots and designs put together by the team) and gets praised to the skies by the client - proving to the management they were absolutely right in their decision to put a buffoon in charge.

[@subashvenugopal9952]

Super correct

[@michaelgtripp]

@@atharvaprabhu7467 command prompt program

[@beldiman5870]

@@rahuldutt1358 What can one do about it Rahul? Maybe contact the client and let them know about what is going on?

[@skullbones7452]

After working for 15 years i can also add that "As long as my boss pretends to pay me well ill pretend to be working hard."

[@ryanc2115]

Dude i relate to this

[@Mr.Legend_Speaks]

That is a good one!! I’m gonna steal this lol! I’ll tell that to my manager! 🤣🤣😳

[@Latin00032]

Reminds me of a quote a coworker said to our boss when we were really young at our first minimum wage job. The boss told him that he needed to work harder. My coworker said "minimum wage. Minimum effort."

[@Putseller100]

In the USSR the saying was they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work

[@tadasblinda8370]

Soviet Union.

[@omari6108]

Imagine that, CEO’s getting paid six figures just to track you and say that you’re not being productive...

[@JoshuaFluke1]

He probably makes closer to 7

[@CST1992]

@@JoshuaFluke1 or 8, including stock options.

[@Titere05]

Not even tracking dude, the software does it for them

[@AshutoshKumar-es8xy]

Welcome to capitalism

[@arnox4554]

@@AshutoshKumar-es8xy Could you not?

[@joashbritto]

"You sign your rights away when you agree to work for someone" I spent actual self-restraint on stopping myself from punching the screen :)

[@le0nz]

It's true tho, fucking companies

[@07wrxtr1]

I love walking out on companies that behave like this. No calls, no warning... just leave.

[@amadeokomnenus1414]

Only should apply to militaries

[@VivekYadav-ds8oz]

As Edward Snowden famously said, "Saying you don't need right to privacy because you have nothing to hide, is like saying you don't need freedom of speech because you don't have anything to say".

[@beldiman5870]

Haha :) Absolutely brilliant!!

[@Emily-fm7pt]

yes. just yes.

[@АкакийАкакиевичБашмачкин]

I prefer the analogy "If you have nothing to hide, why do you close the door when you go to the toilets"

[@5thfloor584]

Lol beat me to it! I thought Josh would know that famous quote, so I was surprised then checked the comments & well & behold...

[@5thfloor584]

@@АкакийАкакиевичБашмачкин Lovely!

[@AProbablyPostman]

"Back to work citizen. Your mouse hasn't moved in 16 seconds."

[@Metakeyman]

"Pick up that mouse, citizen" -Combine

[@BernhardRutzen]

sadly it was a one of Citibank rules for developers, it was the worst experience of my entire career

[@Reverend-ek6kt]

one of my jobs a few years ago, a "team leader" sent me a 15 line email to tell me i was 1 minute late back from lunch..

[@hasselnttper3730]

@@BernhardRutzen Really? This makes me angry. I'd literally go insane if I had to work like that. I'd much rather work in a ditch with a shovel.

[@crazydog3307]

jokes on them, i can move my mouse with a python script

[@dragonetafireball]

I’m the sort of person that if I know I’m being watched my productivity drops drastically and I get really stressed.

[@st8867]

sammmeeee

[@sledgehog1]

Same!

[@DareToSavorVanillaWithBacon]

You have nothing to worry about then, they usually do their best to inform you as little as possible about this kind of stuff

[@rbaleksandar]

Me too. We are so screwed if this is the future.

[@OfficialSeth]

Same for me. It just reminds me of when I was in school and I'd be working on an assignment or writing a paper and then the teacher would lean over my shoulder to watch me work and then say something like "Pretend I'm not here." But you are in my space and it's incredibly distracting.

[@RolloTomassi]

This is a perfect example of how corporate culture is struggling with Old Order thinking in an era of new order technology and workflow.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

The good ol boys club

[@rustykeyes]

New profiting from the old, sell them a bunch of tools they don't understand so they can destroy themselves faster

[@bossgd100]

Hi rollo ✌

[@amateruss]

Fake Rollo ?

[@mariobros7834]

@@ilikerunning580 yeah, in the alternatives to capitalism you get more reliable technologies for that such as the KGB and the STASI. A new model has been implemented recently in Seattle.

[@lumeronswift]

I love how some of their arguments actually boil down to "these people are so desperate for a job that they will accept any privacy breach we force upon them". I didn't expect that to actually be stated...

[@mysteriesoftherealm]

I'm over 50. It's been like this from my first job to the current one. Nothing new, just a different way to be in your business and criticizing any life style choices you may make. Working life has always been condescending, abusive and invasive. I've never met a boss , supervisor, manager or CEO who didn't think he was a law enforcer or judge and jury.

[@leopold7562]

I’m 50 and this has always been the case in my experience. One of my old bosses once said, “It’s not what you do, it’s what you’re seen to be doing.” Basically, if it doesn’t look like you’re working hard, it doesn’t matter what you achieve. This is why I’m now looking for a new job.

[@crazydog3307]

@@leopold7562 this tbh, it doesnt matter how much you actually accomplish unless management knows you did an amazing job at it

[@TshepoKotelo]

​@@leopold7562Thanks for that. I thought of getting a job but I think I should rather start a business instead. I'm not interested in brown nosing because I would rather put my energy into increasing my output but since companies only promote based on visibility then what's the point because no matter how well I do my job it doesn't seem like I will be promoted because I would rather work than kiss ass. I'm an introvert and I don't like people unless we're discussing something work-related but if it's not work-related then I'm not interested in that discussion and would rather just get back to doing my job

[@benjamindover2601]

If my productivity score increases 6% do I get a 6% pay rise, if the answer is no then you have no right to track me at home.

[@crazydog3307]

this tbh, they always raise our metrics every year without raising our pay, instead they offer "benefits" such as insurance you have to pay for, or a 401k, making only about 20% annually compared to the overall market

[@riccardo1796]

Based

[@personspec8881]

is your productivity at least on par on the value that you are paid for? if the answer is no, either I track you and you increase that number, or I don't pay you, fair trade? as an employer, too many workers simply do not work their worth, there are good people that gives the numbers, but far too many are all talk and aren't generating enough value to be paid their salaries its FAIR to pay a worker if he reaches goals, makes sure the results match but far too many others fail and who has to take care of the burden? the employer

[@benjamindover2601]

@@personspec8881 You signed a contract to pay your employee a certain amount, if they're not providing the value you wanted that's just as much a mistake by the employer as the employee.

[@personspec8881]

@@benjamindover2601 not just that, but as an employer you Have to make sure that the employee you hired provide that value you need, and thats where actions such as these come into play

[@Mackaygolf]

For those of you familiar with the studies regarding rates of psychopathy amongst CEOs, this video serves as a nice quick demonstration.

[@HH-le1vi]

I wouldn't say that. Every CEO is different. Some are better leaders than others. The ones who can't lead use bs software to track their employees to make themselves feel better.

[@sabishiihito]

@@HH-le1vi I would imagine there is a difference between privately-owned businesses or LLCs and ones that are publicly traded and have investors. I mean if the CEO owns the company the only person he answers to is himself, which can be bad or good but having stockholders and a board seems to always be bad for employees.

[@rbaleksandar]

I agree. High level management is a breeding ground for psychopaths.

[@Skyhawk656]

@@HH-le1vi It's a documented fact that psychopaths seek out positions of power...

[@HH-le1vi]

@@Skyhawk656 that doesn't make every CEO a fucking psychopath.

[@thomasmartin6623]

Worked for a bank and they tracked every call you made regardless of the quality of the call. Someone who flew through calls without helping anyone looked like a god because they made 50 calls a day, but someone who made 10 quality calls and helped every person looked like a bad employee. It took awhile, but they finally realized metrics are useless if you're not ensuring quality as well. Good video as always.

[@deettee6794]

well, there's a reason why they prefer the unhelpful person with the high number of calls. and the reason is that *dum dum dummmmmm* they're not looking to help people. they're actually looking to be as unhelpful to as many people as possible. other than banks, this applies to telcos, insurers, chains like walmart and more.

[@neestovekin8251]

Priceless.

[@kisstune]

This is why I ALWAYS take the survey at the end of the call. If they blew me off then I give them the lowest score possible, but if they and stayed and helped or at least tried to but failed then I give them the highest score possible. I hope it helps you out but probably not.

[@SorinJurcut]

it's what they incentivize for. NPS vs Volume of calls. People are still under the impression today, that quantitative data equals success. Which is why their businesses fail to scale up and have quality products that actually solve problems for the people that consume them. :/ Fact some middle manager needed a promotion and they probably set the KPI for calls. Some tend to use fluff data to either get a promotion, or just keep their departments afloat for a while longer if their funding is cut off.

[@sunnydayz9032]

@@SorinJurcut this mindset (quantity over quality) come from the factory worker mindset. The worker who puts together 50 widgets on the assembly line is more productive than the one who only managed to build 20. The CEOs who created job expectation culture came from the factory industry/ industrial revolution era. That factory worker mindset does not work well with most jobs, but this mindset pervades all of work culture

[@shapedsilver3689]

A “tactile leader” just sounds like an awful person to be around

[@kittieCoder]

I thought that was an HR violation (tactile leader). #MeToo lawsuit.

[@CorporateShill66]

Tactile leaders should probably be locked up

[@JorgeEscobarMX]

“tactile leader” = sex harraser

[@BillClinton228]

It's a fact of life that most people in managerial positions got there because they want to control people and if you have doubts about it think about it this way. Why would they hire a manager (or a CEO) from outside the company instead of promoting someone within the company who has skills and knowledge of the business?

[@NexLegacyAccount]

"I wanna see 'em, I wanna feel 'em-" I'm writing my sexual harassment claim as we speak.

[@JodyBruchon]

So what you do to really game these systems is install something like an auto-clicker. If the mouse is not moved within 30 seconds, it moves by itself for a while. Screw these people.

[@krystelhardesty9960]

Lol ya that ones been around for a while its great for when you are trying to figure something out but still need to look like you are working.

[@notyou2353]

Lol! Great idea! I know enough Python and Powershell (self taught, not formal certification yet) to do just that if it ever came to it. I don't think it will, I have a pretty good job and workplace environment where all the technicians are granted a large amount of trust and leeway in how we manage our various responsibilities and customers. But still, I'll remember this idea just in case.

[@MrTwixraider]

Like Homer Simpson

[@cw2054]

That only works if you can actually install something on your computer. Ours are locked down only IT can install something.

[@arnox4554]

@@cw2054 Clone the drive. Work on the cloned install until you can crack it. Reimage the original drive with your cracked image. Physical access to the hardware is pretty much game over for security.

[@Mortacxo]

Notice how every CEO talked to, see themselves as a "leader" whilst not doing anything but complain.

[@ZipMapp]

is it not 80% of managers have no or negative impact on the company?

[@atrox7685]

@@ZipMapp i doubt that

[@ZipMapp]

@@atrox7685 Yeah ok

[@ZipMapp]

@Paulonbass 75 You not finding a buzzfeed article doesn't mean there's no data

[@Sk0lzky]

@@ZipMapp If you're talking about what I think you are then yeah there was that one research about large corporations (and all large, complex structures in general) in which 80% of their *employees* cause more loss than gain which is entirely possible (baby shark tutududutudu), however it's a very rough estimate which doesn't take into consideration things like security, cleanliness, impossibility of accurate productivity evaluation and the fact that it doesn't correlate with actual gains and other factors. It's obviously especially hard to evaluate the productivity of managerial work but also solving problems of high complexity etc.

[@TheKrazyKat89]

"I want to feel my employees, I'm very tactile" Yikes.

[@MrsDazl]

Double yikes

[@captncloud50]

Contacting HR...

[@seanjo5705]

yea, dont touch me dude lolololol

[@uppymcdowny58]

If these CEOs believe “if you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about” then can I set up cameras in their house and watch them 24/7? If they’re not doing anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about.

[@FutureShock9]

"I want to look at them, F E E L them" Well there's a red flag

[@Anarchizer]

I bet his employees are below age xD

[@dharmang]

🤣🤣🙊🙈🙉

[@Dellta88]

Yeah I thought that was a little weird too XD

[@WolfKenneth]

That guy's a sleezbag

[@thegracefuldm2713]

That's a mega-yikes

[@ZeeSWAGFRESH]

"Compare yourself against your peers" yea, I mean what could go wrong?

[@Scragg-]

Let’s compare salaries while we are at it

[@Dream25_]

“We can just tell these idiots that it’s for them to compete with each other.”

[@freshswagga100]

Hate how competitive workforce is

[@ViatoremDiEfa]

notice how all the one who said this, are useless liberal arts major soyboys

[@ambientlightofdarknesss4245]

Isn't that what all people tell you NEVER to do?

[@kevin5523]

My boss allows me to work from home like 4 days a week since my productivity increased during lockdown. I do watch netflix while working and i dont get dressed until i feel like it. Seeing people like this make me so mad, absolute boomers.

[@goji5887]

What is that 1 day in the office for though?

[@PatrickDraper]

Computers are cheap. A second laptop that you personally own will likely fit on your desk and nobody can monitor your background KZbin and Netflix watching.

[@dragonore2009]

Me too kevin, I will have my personal laptop next to the company laptop and will watch a show of some kind, or music, or whatever while I'm working.

[@J-Kimble]

Actually i think there is research that shows that working from home increases productivity in general.

[@Helperbot-2000]

boomer: 100

[@michaelladd4049]

"We increasingly find that employees are willing to forgo some of their privacy in exchange for jobs, uh uh, particularly in the current economy" Yes if the choice is give up your privacy or don't pay rent its not really a choice lol.

[@Baustakar]

Like Peterson said : You're not free if you can't say no. Or you're a slave if you can't say no. Can't remember but meaning is the same :D

[@personspec8881]

your freedom is yours to fight, no companies are going to pity you by giving what you want, its YOU and only YOU that must FIGHT to GET IT

[@APsupportsTerrorism]

@@personspec8881 Not how it works, exploiter.

[@BichaelStevens]

@@personspec8881 we shouldn't have to fight for what's ours already. What are you, Russian?

[@crackededge9351]

@@BichaelStevens Evidently it’s not ours already judging by the channel we’re commenting on even existing. America was founded on fighting for freedom. If you are not willing to fight for it, then it will be gone.

[@SuperStarTidus18]

Last I checked, CEO are employees of a business. Therefore, they should also be monitored. That way whenever they want to lay off half the company due to a 1% loss we can ask them "Well, it seems you spent 75% of your time on the golf course Mr. CEO. How about we fire you instead?"

[@zurizoraya8672]

Exactly!!

[@beldiman5870]

And I am sure by firing a boss that spends so much time on the golf course we will definitely cover the loss and get more in profit

[@SuperStarTidus18]

Bel Diman Completely besides the point. The point is they should also be fire if they fail to meet their responsibilities. How much they make is completely irrelevant to the point.

[@beldiman5870]

@@SuperStarTidus18 I am not sure if the CEO salary is irrelevant to the profits of the company. And the same goes for other middle management roles. I have been in situations where small companies improved seriously on their profits after getting rid of the CEO and several other micro-managing bosses.

[@SuperStarTidus18]

Bel Diman It’s not irrelevant to profits. It is irrelevant to my original comment.