CEOs STRUGGLE To Explain Why They TRACK workers |

[@pauljb07]

I'm an employer. I've found that my employees are significantly more productive when they trust me and feel valued. They are people....

[@mrnogot4251]

Thats the thing, there are obvious reasons why this is bad for worker's efficiency and the company's profit. These CEOs know that. Its not about profit it is about POWER and CONTROL.

[@hatemymailbox]

I'm a welder, when i felt that employer treats me like an expendable asset i stopped giving fucks about work

[@fatesrequiem]

Clearly you’re not thinking on their level and treating them like slaves!

[@deettee6794]

once you start going up into larger businesses, that falls apart. mainly because of how "tall" the hierarchy is. competition gets stiffer, politics are expected and there's always someone above you that you have to justify yourself to. it's how shit like "key performance indexes" come about. they take all the factors that go into gauging productivity and boil it down to one number. if your number is bigger than your peers, you "win". so guess what happens when you have a bunch of insecure phonies in the workplace? they start looking for ways they can "win" without having to actually be more effective at their job than others. they're not going to bring up how you have to make less changes, your customers are happier, you spend less time coming up with solutions, or are overall more effective than them. they're going to be bringing up how they spend more time working, how you're on netflix half of the workday, how they type more or click more. mechanical stuff. because that's the only place they can beat you. when there's insecure phonies at every level of an organization, that's when this mechanical based "kpi" thing becomes the standard. because that's the only way they can get higher salary/promotions/survival. they can't out-perform a good employee. but they can out-click, out-type and out-sit them. so guess what "kpi" is going to be set for you?

[@codacreator6162]

Wish more felt that way. But, middle managers with no idea about how to run a team feel the need to be "doing something," which inevitably leads to "managing" their people. This monitoring and tracking is killing employees' health, leading to burnout, depression, and other serious mental health issues.

[@skullbones7452]

After working for 15 years i can also add that "As long as my boss pretends to pay me well ill pretend to be working hard."

[@ryanc2115]

Dude i relate to this

[@Mr.Legend_Speaks]

That is a good one!! I’m gonna steal this lol! I’ll tell that to my manager! 🤣🤣😳

[@Latin00032]

Reminds me of a quote a coworker said to our boss when we were really young at our first minimum wage job. The boss told him that he needed to work harder. My coworker said "minimum wage. Minimum effort."

[@Putseller100]

In the USSR the saying was they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work

[@tadasblinda8370]

Soviet Union.

[@johndough8699]

“How do we measure the CEO’s performance?” “By increasing our stock price, etc” Sooooo... by your results, not by your screen time???

[@Macheako]

Beautiful

[@rustykeyes]

Gottem

[@AllanSavolainen]

I don't think the stock price usually has anything to do with the CEO :)

[@oscarrosado6440]

Even a stock price can be dolled up you know. Seriously, I am starting to believe that CEOs are the new snake oil salesmen.

[@gpsoftsk1]

@@oscarrosado6440 Yes, definitely they are.

[@ZipMapp]

I'm a software engineer. There are days where I will slack on youtube, take a shower, do my laundry, play some music. And my superior knows that I'm not working 100% of the time and that this slack allows me to take a step back and make the good design choices. No good software engineer/architect can produce quality by staring at the screen 8h/day

[@wlockhart]

Exactly, if I was working intensely at the laptop continuously at software engineering problems, my brain would give up by the early afternoon. It would be like a CPU running at 100% all the time, but humans are not computers.

[@Waitwhat469]

I make a lot of decisions while slacking. Researching stuff overloads me and I kind of just have to relax to process what can be a lot of info.

[@Sk0lzky]

It's true for every single job that requires thinking (and actually to a larger extent all jobs, I remember reading about an experiment with rotating production line workers between different roles and it improved their productivity despite the time "wasted" on switching places)

[@HelloWorld-lg1pz]

@@wlockhart 100 percent use is fine as long as the brain stays cool. Try placing a heatsink/fan on your head to prevent damaging temps. "Pick up that can!"

[@cadcad-jm3pf]

If you meet all the deadlines and produce quality code, who cares whether you work 3, 8 or 20 hours a day and what you do in the process? Conversely, if you're not delivering the results, is it really an excuse that you "work hard"?

[@joashbritto]

"You sign your rights away when you agree to work for someone" I spent actual self-restraint on stopping myself from punching the screen :)

[@le0nz]

It's true tho, fucking companies

[@07wrxtr1]

I love walking out on companies that behave like this. No calls, no warning... just leave.

[@amadeokomnenus1414]

Only should apply to militaries

[@comradepeter87]

As Edward Snowden famously said, "Saying you don't need right to privacy because you have nothing to hide, is like saying you don't need freedom of speech because you don't have anything to say".

[@beldiman5870]

Haha :) Absolutely brilliant!!

[@Emily-fm7pt]

yes. just yes.

[@Диего_де_ла_Вега]

I prefer the analogy "If you have nothing to hide, why do you close the door when you go to the toilets"

[@5thfloor584]

Lol beat me to it! I thought Josh would know that famous quote, so I was surprised then checked the comments & well & behold...

[@5thfloor584]

@@Диего_де_ла_Вега Lovely!

[@mirceaungureanu5305]

The most talented software engineer I know only interacts with his computer maybe half of the time, the rest he spends staring into space and solving the problem in his head. Also, he uses VIM so barely touches his mouse. So yeah, he should be fired.

[@slothninja2139]

This is how a lot of "problem solving" jobs are. You spend a good amount of time working through the problem, then you design, build, and implement the solution. I do everything from coding to project management in more than a few fields. A lot of my time is spent drawing things out on paper or discussing the problem with my work ducks.

[@rahuldutt1358]

@Super I have worked with these idiots with fancy MBAs and I know exactly what you mean. They are straightaway put on managerial roles, supervising people they aren't qualified to serve coffee to. Most of these MBA types become tyrannical parasites, making insane promises to the client, and then driving their team to depression to achieve an impossible number at an impossible budget. When after months of sleepless nights, when we somehow do manage to deliver, they spent half a day making a fancy 100 page presentation (with 70 of them being screenshots and designs put together by the team) and gets praised to the skies by the client - proving to the management they were absolutely right in their decision to put a buffoon in charge.

[@subashvenugopal9952]

Super correct

[@michaelgtripp]

@@atharvaprabhu7467 command prompt program

[@beldiman5870]

@@rahuldutt1358 What can one do about it Rahul? Maybe contact the client and let them know about what is going on?

[@lumeronswift]

I love how some of their arguments actually boil down to "these people are so desperate for a job that they will accept any privacy breach we force upon them". I didn't expect that to actually be stated...

[@mysteriesoftherealm]

I'm over 50. It's been like this from my first job to the current one. Nothing new, just a different way to be in your business and criticizing any life style choices you may make. Working life has always been condescending, abusive and invasive. I've never met a boss , supervisor, manager or CEO who didn't think he was a law enforcer or judge and jury.

[@leopold7562]

I’m 50 and this has always been the case in my experience. One of my old bosses once said, “It’s not what you do, it’s what you’re seen to be doing.” Basically, if it doesn’t look like you’re working hard, it doesn’t matter what you achieve. This is why I’m now looking for a new job.

[@crazydog3307]

@@leopold7562 this tbh, it doesnt matter how much you actually accomplish unless management knows you did an amazing job at it

[@TshepoKotelo]

​@@leopold7562Thanks for that. I thought of getting a job but I think I should rather start a business instead. I'm not interested in brown nosing because I would rather put my energy into increasing my output but since companies only promote based on visibility then what's the point because no matter how well I do my job it doesn't seem like I will be promoted because I would rather work than kiss ass. I'm an introvert and I don't like people unless we're discussing something work-related but if it's not work-related then I'm not interested in that discussion and would rather just get back to doing my job

[@benjamindover2601]

If my productivity score increases 6% do I get a 6% pay rise, if the answer is no then you have no right to track me at home.

[@crazydog3307]

this tbh, they always raise our metrics every year without raising our pay, instead they offer "benefits" such as insurance you have to pay for, or a 401k, making only about 20% annually compared to the overall market

[@riccardo1796]

Based

[@personspec8881]

is your productivity at least on par on the value that you are paid for? if the answer is no, either I track you and you increase that number, or I don't pay you, fair trade? as an employer, too many workers simply do not work their worth, there are good people that gives the numbers, but far too many are all talk and aren't generating enough value to be paid their salaries its FAIR to pay a worker if he reaches goals, makes sure the results match but far too many others fail and who has to take care of the burden? the employer

[@benjamindover2601]

@@personspec8881 You signed a contract to pay your employee a certain amount, if they're not providing the value you wanted that's just as much a mistake by the employer as the employee.

[@personspec8881]

@@benjamindover2601 not just that, but as an employer you Have to make sure that the employee you hired provide that value you need, and thats where actions such as these come into play

[@omari6108]

Imagine that, CEO’s getting paid six figures just to track you and say that you’re not being productive...

[@JoshuaFluke1]

He probably makes closer to 7

[@CST1992]

@@JoshuaFluke1 or 8, including stock options.

[@Titere05]

Not even tracking dude, the software does it for them

[@AshutoshKumar-es8xy]

Welcome to capitalism

[@arnox4554]

@@AshutoshKumar-es8xy Could you not?

[@gangrenemccluster7680]

When quarantine started, my boss wanted me to stream my desktop to her the entire workday. I did it for one day and she constantly made unhelpful comments. I refused to do it again after that. Last week they forced me to do it again and this HR guy watched me and would question "I noticed you weren't really doing much for about 5 minutes there, what happened?" like dude, I needed a few minutes to organize my thoughts and untangle this terrible write-up you guys gave me. I ended up getting fired a couple of days ago because I wasn't willing to play ball.

[@melmelcorvette]

Sorry to hear that I don’t blame you

[@DavidNwokoye]

Quarantine exposed the true colors of a lot of bosses. You might've dodged a bullet there

[@ccricers]

HR forgot about the 'human' part

[@ForgottenKnight1]

Please tell the name of the company and the field, so other people can stay away.

[@user-rp3ox4rw6d]

Not alone. And that's not someone you ever want to work for in the long-term

[@vadim6385]

They are measuring their performance with keystrokes and mouse movements? This is seriously dumb

[@seaglassdigita1329]

Some managers are so dumb that they can't begin to understand what their employees are working on, This makes them think it's easy. If they think mouse movements and keystrokes are the measure of productivity they should supervise typists or data entry staff.

[@BillClinton228]

Yeah you can do nothing all day, then open up Word and start pressing random keys and flinging your mouse around and you will soon exceed your performance quota. Only middle management can come up with such dumb ideas.

[@Benjamin-zr4yw]

@@BillClinton228 that's what will break the neck of many good employees. the good ones try to keep up with the pace. try to get shit done, while the workload continuously increases, because the leeches have created an bot typing random words and moving the mouse

[@exapsy]

And with watching your emails. And your phone calls.

[@madmartigan9720]

"Gaming" --> win

[@AProbablyPostman]

"Back to work citizen. Your mouse hasn't moved in 16 seconds."

[@Metakeyman]

"Pick up that mouse, citizen" -Combine

[@BernhardRutzen]

sadly it was a one of Citibank rules for developers, it was the worst experience of my entire career

[@Reverend-ek6kt]

one of my jobs a few years ago, a "team leader" sent me a 15 line email to tell me i was 1 minute late back from lunch..

[@hasselnttper3730]

@@BernhardRutzen Really? This makes me angry. I'd literally go insane if I had to work like that. I'd much rather work in a ditch with a shovel.

[@crazydog3307]

jokes on them, i can move my mouse with a python script

[@thomasmartin6623]

Worked for a bank and they tracked every call you made regardless of the quality of the call. Someone who flew through calls without helping anyone looked like a god because they made 50 calls a day, but someone who made 10 quality calls and helped every person looked like a bad employee. It took awhile, but they finally realized metrics are useless if you're not ensuring quality as well. Good video as always.

[@deettee6794]

well, there's a reason why they prefer the unhelpful person with the high number of calls. and the reason is that *dum dum dummmmmm* they're not looking to help people. they're actually looking to be as unhelpful to as many people as possible. other than banks, this applies to telcos, insurers, chains like walmart and more.

[@neestovekin8251]

Priceless.

[@kisstune]

This is why I ALWAYS take the survey at the end of the call. If they blew me off then I give them the lowest score possible, but if they and stayed and helped or at least tried to but failed then I give them the highest score possible. I hope it helps you out but probably not.

[@SorinJurcut]

it's what they incentivize for. NPS vs Volume of calls. People are still under the impression today, that quantitative data equals success. Which is why their businesses fail to scale up and have quality products that actually solve problems for the people that consume them. :/ Fact some middle manager needed a promotion and they probably set the KPI for calls. Some tend to use fluff data to either get a promotion, or just keep their departments afloat for a while longer if their funding is cut off.

[@sunnydayz9032]

@@SorinJurcut this mindset (quantity over quality) come from the factory worker mindset. The worker who puts together 50 widgets on the assembly line is more productive than the one who only managed to build 20. The CEOs who created job expectation culture came from the factory industry/ industrial revolution era. That factory worker mindset does not work well with most jobs, but this mindset pervades all of work culture

[@Mackaygolf]

For those of you familiar with the studies regarding rates of psychopathy amongst CEOs, this video serves as a nice quick demonstration.

[@HH-le1vi]

I wouldn't say that. Every CEO is different. Some are better leaders than others. The ones who can't lead use bs software to track their employees to make themselves feel better.

[@sabishiihito]

@@HH-le1vi I would imagine there is a difference between privately-owned businesses or LLCs and ones that are publicly traded and have investors. I mean if the CEO owns the company the only person he answers to is himself, which can be bad or good but having stockholders and a board seems to always be bad for employees.

[@rbaleksandar]

I agree. High level management is a breeding ground for psychopaths.

[@Skyhawk656]

@@HH-le1vi It's a documented fact that psychopaths seek out positions of power...

[@HH-le1vi]

@@Skyhawk656 that doesn't make every CEO a fucking psychopath.

[@Mortacxo]

Notice how every CEO talked to, see themselves as a "leader" whilst not doing anything but complain.

[@ZipMapp]

is it not 80% of managers have no or negative impact on the company?

[@atrox7685]

@@ZipMapp i doubt that

[@ZipMapp]

@@atrox7685 Yeah ok

[@ZipMapp]

@Paulonbass 75 You not finding a buzzfeed article doesn't mean there's no data

[@Sk0lzky]

@@ZipMapp If you're talking about what I think you are then yeah there was that one research about large corporations (and all large, complex structures in general) in which 80% of their *employees* cause more loss than gain which is entirely possible (baby shark tutududutudu), however it's a very rough estimate which doesn't take into consideration things like security, cleanliness, impossibility of accurate productivity evaluation and the fact that it doesn't correlate with actual gains and other factors. It's obviously especially hard to evaluate the productivity of managerial work but also solving problems of high complexity etc.

[@SuperStarTidus18]

Last I checked, CEO are employees of a business. Therefore, they should also be monitored. That way whenever they want to lay off half the company due to a 1% loss we can ask them "Well, it seems you spent 75% of your time on the golf course Mr. CEO. How about we fire you instead?"

[@zurizoraya8672]

Exactly!!

[@beldiman5870]

And I am sure by firing a boss that spends so much time on the golf course we will definitely cover the loss and get more in profit

[@SuperStarTidus18]

Bel Diman Completely besides the point. The point is they should also be fire if they fail to meet their responsibilities. How much they make is completely irrelevant to the point.

[@beldiman5870]

@@SuperStarTidus18 I am not sure if the CEO salary is irrelevant to the profits of the company. And the same goes for other middle management roles. I have been in situations where small companies improved seriously on their profits after getting rid of the CEO and several other micro-managing bosses.

[@SuperStarTidus18]

Bel Diman It’s not irrelevant to profits. It is irrelevant to my original comment.

[@shapedsilver3689]

A “tactile leader” just sounds like an awful person to be around

[@kittieCoder]

I thought that was an HR violation (tactile leader). #MeToo lawsuit.

[@CorporateShill66]

Tactile leaders should probably be locked up

[@JorgeEscobarMX]

“tactile leader” = sex harraser

[@BillClinton228]

It's a fact of life that most people in managerial positions got there because they want to control people and if you have doubts about it think about it this way. Why would they hire a manager (or a CEO) from outside the company instead of promoting someone within the company who has skills and knowledge of the business?

[@NexLegacyAccount]

"I wanna see 'em, I wanna feel 'em-" I'm writing my sexual harassment claim as we speak.

[@dragonetafireball]

I’m the sort of person that if I know I’m being watched my productivity drops drastically and I get really stressed.

[@st8867]

sammmeeee

[@sledgehog1]

Same!

[@DareToSavorVanillaWithBacon]

You have nothing to worry about then, they usually do their best to inform you as little as possible about this kind of stuff

[@rbaleksandar]

Me too. We are so screwed if this is the future.

[@OfficialSeth]

Same for me. It just reminds me of when I was in school and I'd be working on an assignment or writing a paper and then the teacher would lean over my shoulder to watch me work and then say something like "Pretend I'm not here." But you are in my space and it's incredibly distracting.

[@matthewsommerville88]

A friend of mine had a great joke: At an interview when they ask what your former boss would say about you just turn and ask them, what would your former employees say about you?

[@BigBrother4Life]

Then what happeend to your friend, was she selected?

[@matthewsommerville88]

@@BigBrother4Life They are a stand up comic so it was literally a joke they wrote and performed; that is their job so they dont have to deal with this shit anyway lol

[@johnuferbach9166]

@@matthewsommerville88 Not a bad question actually :)

[@PiscesPortalTarot]

Love it. LOL!

[@onlyLEVSKI]

That can actually be a very legit question to ask the interviewer. It's obviously quite risky but, hey, if they don't like it you probably dodged a bullet anyway.

[@TheKrazyKat89]

"I want to feel my employees, I'm very tactile" Yikes.

[@MrsDazl]

Double yikes

[@captncloud50]

Contacting HR...

[@seanjo5705]

yea, dont touch me dude lolololol

[@WickedParanoid]

Try it, I dare you. And don't complain about both your arms being broken.

[@FutureShock9]

"I want to look at them, F E E L them" Well there's a red flag

[@Anarchizer]

I bet his employees are below age xD

[@dharmang]

🤣🤣🙊🙈🙉

[@Dellta88]

Yeah I thought that was a little weird too XD

[@WolfKenneth]

That guy's a sleezbag

[@NomadNateIsPlaying]

That's a mega-yikes

[@adriangabriel9486]

"if you have nothing to hide, i should be able to look at what you're doing" no. I have nothing to hide so you have no reason to look.

[@JodyBruchon]

So what you do to really game these systems is install something like an auto-clicker. If the mouse is not moved within 30 seconds, it moves by itself for a while. Screw these people.

[@krystelhardesty9960]

Lol ya that ones been around for a while its great for when you are trying to figure something out but still need to look like you are working.

[@notyou2353]

Lol! Great idea! I know enough Python and Powershell (self taught, not formal certification yet) to do just that if it ever came to it. I don't think it will, I have a pretty good job and workplace environment where all the technicians are granted a large amount of trust and leeway in how we manage our various responsibilities and customers. But still, I'll remember this idea just in case.

[@MrTwixraider]

Like Homer Simpson

[@cw2054]

That only works if you can actually install something on your computer. Ours are locked down only IT can install something.

[@arnox4554]

@@cw2054 Clone the drive. Work on the cloned install until you can crack it. Reimage the original drive with your cracked image. Physical access to the hardware is pretty much game over for security.

[@michaelladd4049]

"We increasingly find that employees are willing to forgo some of their privacy in exchange for jobs, uh uh, particularly in the current economy" Yes if the choice is give up your privacy or don't pay rent its not really a choice lol.

[@Baustakar]

Like Peterson said : You're not free if you can't say no. Or you're a slave if you can't say no. Can't remember but meaning is the same :D

[@personspec8881]

your freedom is yours to fight, no companies are going to pity you by giving what you want, its YOU and only YOU that must FIGHT to GET IT

[@APsupportsTerrorism]

@@personspec8881 Not how it works, exploiter.

[@BichaelStevens]

@@personspec8881 we shouldn't have to fight for what's ours already. What are you, Russian?

[@crackededge9351]

@@BichaelStevens Evidently it’s not ours already judging by the channel we’re commenting on even existing. America was founded on fighting for freedom. If you are not willing to fight for it, then it will be gone.

[@RolloTomassi]

This is a perfect example of how corporate culture is struggling with Old Order thinking in an era of new order technology and workflow.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

The good ol boys club

[@rustykeyes]

New profiting from the old, sell them a bunch of tools they don't understand so they can destroy themselves faster

[@bossgd100]

Hi rollo ✌

[@amateruss]

Fake Rollo ?

[@mariobros7834]

@@ilikerunning580 yeah, in the alternatives to capitalism you get more reliable technologies for that such as the KGB and the STASI. A new model has been implemented recently in Seattle.

[@kevin5523]

My boss allows me to work from home like 4 days a week since my productivity increased during lockdown. I do watch netflix while working and i dont get dressed until i feel like it. Seeing people like this make me so mad, absolute boomers.

[@goji5887]

What is that 1 day in the office for though?

[@PatrickDraper]

Computers are cheap. A second laptop that you personally own will likely fit on your desk and nobody can monitor your background KZbin and Netflix watching.

[@dragonore2009]

Me too kevin, I will have my personal laptop next to the company laptop and will watch a show of some kind, or music, or whatever while I'm working.

[@J-Kimble]

Actually i think there is research that shows that working from home increases productivity in general.

[@Helperbot-2000]

boomer: 100

[@88Xlmk]

As Morty says - "This is just slavery with extra steps"

[@yoooyoyooo]

Well no physical punishmet is technically an improvement.

[@habibsspirit]

@@yoooyoyooo Personally I prefer physical punishment over the mental torture/pressure that corporations put on developers.

[@thrace_bot1012]

"Sending the file in a minute massa, please don't hurt"

[@jaredm1162]

yep

[@SpicyCurrey]

Someone's getting laid in college

[@xdevantx5870]

"If you don't trust your workers, hire better." But you see then they have to spend more. So they'd rather squeeze blood from a stone. This is why they don't trust their employees. They know they've gone through hoops to hire the cheapest possible labor.

[@APsupportsTerrorism]

Bingo. Rigged the economy for that indentured servitude... know they can't expect any loyalty back, so they bring in the AI overseers.

[@Waitwhat469]

The cheapest labor, working only for money people the work is awful, given little to no training, or any indication that the company is looking out for them. Why would this possible be an antagonist relationship?

[@uppymcdowny58]

If these CEOs believe “if you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about” then can I set up cameras in their house and watch them 24/7? If they’re not doing anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about.

[@philzan3627]

The issues here are twofold: 1. They are transforming you, a person, into a number. None of these softwares will ever be able to actually capture your true value. Even if you dawdle all day, if you saved that deal with a client that pays 20% of the company's revenue, this software won't record it as such. Note that this is what managers are there to do: all they do is numbers report. They don't even know what these numbers mean, they just make them look pretty. 2. The ultimate argument against "If you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't worry" isn't that it's wrong (it is). It is that getting constantly spied on will never result in using the data IN YOUR FAVOR. EVER! If you are a straight arrow citizen and help an elderly lady home with her groceries and she just so happens to live close to the hookers in the neighbourhood, the tracking software will never make that distinction nor will it ever be interpreted as anything other than you went to visit hookers. That's the problem! All this does is incriminate, it doesn't exonerate. Please use this argument in the future ffs.

[@hayuseen6683]

Publish the manager’s stats using the same software. Unless they have something to hide.

[@BillClinton228]

... and that's the whole point, to incriminate you into something, anything. Bosses who trust their employees and have a good relationship with them will never use this software. This software is for paranoid control freaks who are constantly on the lookout for an excuse to give out warnings and fire people. This software does not constitute "working in good faith" by definition. I've also noticed this in alot of interviews especially in the tech industry. People are constantly looking for reasons to disqualify you as a candidate, and they focus more on the experience you dont have than the experience YOU DO have. For example, you might be a programmer with alot of experience in several programming languages that the company uses, but if you havent worked with a framework they use, then you are considered to be unqualified for the position. Wait a minute, so you are telling me that a senior developer with over 10 years experience in different fields and languages can't learn a simple framework????

[@NexLegacyAccount]

"They don't even know what these numbers mean, they just make them look pretty." I deal with this constantly at my warehouse job. We get new managers in there all the time that will flood the shit out of my department thinking more work will get done. Problem is the department has a set capacity at how much we can fit in it and process at a time, and every time they flood us, we end up with late or incomplete trucks because we aren't able to organize and process all of what they're sending us in one huge chunk. Then they want to come down and argue with people who have been working there for a year or longer. All they're seeing is the stuff getting scanned in. They aren't paying attention to anything else we have to do to it before it gets to the truck.

[@totorofosho]

I love it when the company I work for invests in technology that helps them find excuses to not pay me, instead of investing in me.

[@jgdooley2003]

More and more people will have to become 1 man companies, investing in themselves from their own resources and taking their own careers in hand on an ongoing basis over their entire working lives.

[@kisstune]

No programmer needs any more training they all should just intuitively know how to use the latest programming language so let's spend the money on training and development on tracking software and yachts and jets.

[@totorofosho]

@@kisstune I really don't have a problem with them buying yachts and jets because it's their money. Not that we're talking about organizations with that level of money, but you know what I mean. I just have a problem with idiots who think their business is going to grow by spending on torturing their employees with technology that encourages them to manipulate useless metrics instead of working.

[@kisstune]

@@totorofosho I don't really care what they do with their money I just say more power to them but I do object when they buy tracking software insteadconventional. Read invest in employees so they get better at their jobs. They could use the money wasted on tracking software to improve morale jets yachts or conventiond. I'm just ranting about how much I hate those programs sorry I wasn't clear about that.

[@TriniGamerGirl7]

I love your username.

[@ishaanivaturi2387]

Can you imagine being the dev creating the system that takes other devs' rights away lmao

[@PunishedFelix]

literal king simp shit lol

[@tazassassin]

^^^^^

[@raulsantandertirado4400]

He/She probably had to pay the bills, yo

[@rayzala1393]

This doesn't really seem that hard to get around. Couldn't you just use a virtual machine and run a separate OS on it on your own private network that is not being monitored by your employer? Then your free to still watch youtube, netflix, podcasts all you want? Just add a screen to your rig and put in the background above a screen. Hell just use a seperate laptop and attach the HDMI and put another small keyboard near your work one. Seems like there is a lot of ways to get around employer tracking. Personally I used to do IT but couldn't stand the office bullshit and all snowflakes in the office and just left and became a truck driver. 2 years in I'm making around 70k, home overnight, half the day I'm sitting around playing PUBG on my laptop in the truck (mobile hotspot) waiting to be loaded, offloaded, etc. I don't know why people have to ruin this career for people. Layout the reasonable amount of work you want done in a day, let the programmer, IT guy, etc know (ex you are expected to complete 75 tickets a day as an IT guy). If the employee is meeting the requirements who gives a shit if he's dressed in a onesie cookie monster outfit while watching anime in the background covered in Dorito dust. The work is getting done. I don't know how you guys put up with this shit. I hope they're paying you good.

[@Refresh5406]

Make it broken on purpose.

[@michaelwinter742]

This is how managers train AI to take over their job.

[@sarvariabhinav]

This is very apt. You live by the sword, you'll die by the sword.

[@XXDoMi77]

Holy shit, that's some black mirror level bs

[@mturnbaugh]

I do hiring for my department and my question to micromanagers is always the same. If you don't trust your employees to do the right thing, then why did you hire them?

[@divsyntax9720]

FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@kisstune]

I didn't always do background checks on the interviewer before and got burned twice and now I do. I always let the call go to VM so I can get the phone interviewers name and see what I can find on them and I do the same before going into the interview when they tell me who to ask for when I walk into the door. Do diligence is important. Oh and I ask questions in the interviews both on the phone and in person some standard questions some not so much just to get a reaction etc. and gauge their response.

[@lisar915r9]

@@kisstune what questions do you ask them?

[@kisstune]

@@lisar915r9 1. What percentage of your employees were hired by internal recommendation? (This is an indication of how good or crappy they are cause if they wouldn't recommend them to their friends than you don't want to work there.) This could also be posed into the how many times have you earned referral bonus/award for jobs as well. This can also tell you if the place is more like the boss is hiring all their sibs and kids which can be a bad sign too. Yes I heard this one too as in they said "my sister, my daughter and my son all work here in this site." 2. Tell me about your career path with the company. (This tells you if the recruiter and interviewers were hired or promoted which gives indications of promotion time frame and opportunities if any) Yes I've seen them hesitant to tell me so I noped out of there. Worst this has happened a few times. 3. What do you expect the ideal candidate to accomplish during the first three months?/ What''s the most important thing I could do within my first 90 days. (This tells what is most critical and how bad crunch is and how much pressure you will be under). 4. What’s your favorite and least favorite part of working here? (This forces them to admit to some fault which if they don't or they pull something very superficial like "my least favorite thing is we have too many choices in the break room for free stuff to snack on" They should be honest about it.

[@lisar915r9]

@@kisstune Great question. Thank you. I'll start asking it from now on.

[@ZeeSWAGFRESH]

"Compare yourself against your peers" yea, I mean what could go wrong?

[@Scragg-]

Let’s compare salaries while we are at it

[@Dream25_]

“We can just tell these idiots that it’s for them to compete with each other.”

[@freshswagga100]

Hate how competitive workforce is

[@ViatoremDiEfa]

notice how all the one who said this, are useless liberal arts major soyboys

[@ambientlightofdarknesss4245]

Isn't that what all people tell you NEVER to do?

[@alexandercao129]

CEO: "I want them in the office. I wanna see them. I wanna feel them." HR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@markarca6360]

Sounds like "The Office".

[@DaPanda19]

@@markarca6360 idk about that, but I DO know that Ryan started the fire

[@ShadeSlayer1911]

Definitely something Michael Scott would say.

[@Waitwhat469]

I had a boss that would just absolutely grab people by the shoulder and jostle you around alot. I hated that job.

[@ShadeSlayer1911]

@@Waitwhat469 I could see that getting annoying real quick.

[@flarone]

Good luck, guys. This level of tracking will turn off people who are results-based the most. Those are the people who are the most likely to update their LinkedIn, put out resumes/cover letters, and take interviews during lunch. After all, they're the people who know how to track and complete tasks and produce concrete results. To put it succinctly as possible, this is a sure-fire way to ensure talent flight and leave yourself with the bottom of your existing workforce.

[@obits3]

Here’s what’s really crazy. Anyone who’s worked for a big company knows that the top performers often do way more than their share of the work, including constantly helping other people in the company. If your new fancy tool keeps the low performing workers in the line but cost you the high performers, your business will fail in the long run (or at least your labor costs will go way up).

[@deettee6794]

"this is a sure-fire way to ensure talent flight and leave yourself with the bottom of your existing workforce." correct. that is the exact plan. organizations are full of insecure phonies making decisions like this for the sole purpose of getting rid of threats to their position/promotion. they're not going to out-perform an effective worker. but they sure can out-click and out-type them. so guess what their subordinates are going to be judged on?

[@devilorchard]

BOD to CEO: Do this CEO to all employees: Ok Do this. After work is done. CEO - I did this.

[@Steve-nv8db]

6:34 That's called 'coercion'. In the bedroom that's rape, but at your job its just business!

[@bobbysingh5666]

holy crap your right i didnt realize the first time i heard it

[@davewheeler5393]

got it! "ppl are stuck working from home". also stuck living where they want, no commute, no crammed offices, not wearing masks, etc,,

[@freshswagga100]

Guess they werent "stuck" working in an office with ppl they didnt care about

[@MrsDazl]

Stop making sense, Dave.

[@frednil8304]

no tasteless brown powder work coffee.

[@Will_Moffett]

The next-level realization here is that a lot of this isn't about power or oppression or suspicion, but about finding ways to expand and complicate the managerial mandate. These are people who often don't produce anything themselves but still need ways to justify their hefty cost to the company. Employing a bunch of software and all the accompanying training and explanations and visuals is simply one avenue for the managerial class can take to sustain themselves. You want to seem busy and important? Hire a secretary to do your work. You want to seem like you are producing hard results and motivating the workers? Make up a scoring regime based on user inputs regardless of how meaningless they really are.

[@montesforeman5079]

I instantly thought that this was a way for managers to pretend that they are managing in order to justify their employment. They probably know their position could be eliminated and need something to show the higher-ups. Tracking productivity of workers is as easy as seeing the results of their effort. Couldnt a manager have a zoom call with their employees at the end of the day to go over what was accomplished by the employee, and what the next task would be? No, because that would total 2 hours, and the managers have to keep up the farce that their position shouldnt be eliminated or consolidated.

[@Will_Moffett]

@@montesforeman5079 Yeah I read an article in harvard business review recently, regarding working from home, which said any manager who can't judge and employees performance by results/deliverables alone isn't qualified to be a manager. This is why college is so expensive now, managerial bloat.

[@montesforeman5079]

@@Will_Moffett Thats exactly right. Throw in the fact that student loans are guaranteed the Universities know that a near endless amount of money is going to go their way. They can pickpocket the future earnings of their students. University doesnt have to set a price that people are willing to pay, they set a price on what people are willing to gamble for the chance of an increased future income.

[@JoshuaC0rbit]

@@montesforeman5079 the problem is accountants. It departments will always and forever be seen as cost centers at least in my industry and not revenue centers so we always struggled to demonstrate that we were providing value to the organization even though it would completely fail without us. So I've come to learn the value of demonstrating fancy spreadsheets showing cost savings to upper management because otherwise some accountant will recommend your department just gets dissolved.

[@pooheadlou]

It's like being in an abusive controlling marriage, where that person is try to control everything you do, when you do it and how you do it! Next they will tell you how you should feel about it too.

[@Emily-fm7pt]

"We record and transcribe all your phone calls" Ah don't you love it when your boss uses the same techniques the FBI did to take down the mafia.

[@ZerudaDensetsu]

Call a sexline and have the last laugh.

[@sandorszekeres7912]

Seems like CEO of Prodoscore would like to reintroduce slavery

[@Mackaygolf]

ALL of the elites in this modern world are literally in the process of enslaving the majority of humanity. They are not even being discreet about it. Sad part is that the majority of humanity would likely be more "comfortable" as slaves. Most people are more comfortable being told what to do as opposed to trying to figure it out on their own.

[@michaelescobar3746]

@Giorgio Mumda Lol. This reminds me of a day in 10th grade. We were being asked questions by the teacher. She was reading out of a workbook. When she told the entire class that the answer to the question was "C," I raised my hand and said, "C is wrong." I kept insisting that C was wrong (as if workbooks cant have mistakes) and eventually got kicked out of the classroom. I don't remember being too much of a dick about it, but my critical analysis definitely led me to believe that was the incorrect answer. Anyway, I've never been one to not question things. I have to know WHY. If that is an issue for anyone, we won't get along.

[@brainwasher3742]

Disgusting, it’s almost like the ‘leaders’ don’t know what good work is, or how to achieve it.

[@TheRealTrucido]

propose something to a manager, AVP, or CEO about implementing this kind of work tracker to them and it being tied to their pay, watch how many complaints come flying. they dont do shit but talk

[@crypttrader6806]

Exactly, almost

[@jgdooley2003]

@Tracchofyre There is a trend towards inverted "T" shaped organisations in which the middle layers of management are stripped out and you are left with a large number of individual contributors reporting directly to a company CEO or principal. Many jobs are now assignments or "gigs" done on a temporary basis for a limited time. Job security and long term tenure and loyalty are dead in the water. This is what scares middle management drones, their lack of value and worth to a company is now obvious in these strange times.

[@mattpedia1933]

When the pandemic started, my boss made me the one in charge of tracking the other employees. Nothing I did was enough info for him and it soon became a full time job on its own. I wasn't able to keep up on my own duties besides tracking. Then I was fired for "poor performance" after I said it would be unethical and refused to put spyware on my coworkers computers without their knowledge.

[@KeMoNi]

Did you file with a lawyer, sound like retaliation and conspiracy?

[@ClashoftheUndead]

"They know we're always watching, which is always good." That's the most "Big Brother" answer I've ever heard lmao

[@kellylynn88]

The guy around 8:40 is so right. BURNOUT is a huge side effect of these systems. This is what happens when you are treated as a thing and not a person. Source: first hand experience

[@CodingJesus]

Employees are more productive when they aren't monitored.

[@freshswagga100]

Pretty certain thats not true

[@Bryan-wb7te]

@@freshswagga100 even if it's not true, it's true in the long term. The best employees won't like being tracked then move their skills to a different company.

[@freshswagga100]

@@Bryan-wb7te possibly. Still doesnt refute the claim that they are more productive while being monitored. Whether they stay employeed with a certain company or not is not a factor.

[@freshswagga100]

@YEET YEET y u gotta be dick. How is OP any different? He made a bold claim without any research the same as me

[@tsdobbi]

My I wrote a paper in my MBA program about employee motivation. All of the research pretty much indicates the more freedom you give to employees, the happier and more productive they are. Look there will always be bad apples, but all this monitoring shit is just going to make the good employees just keeping up appearances because they are miserable to "force" the sand baggers to have some semblance of productivity. That simply is not an effective model.

[@galatemalate1256]

8:12 "I'm a very tactile leader..." No, you are not a good leader if you need to monitor your team all the time.

[@AB-pr4uc]

It's basically micromanaging, and a lame attempt at it too

[@michellejarvis7878]

"tactile leader" he likes to touch people?

[@galatemalate1256]

@@michellejarvis7878 that may be the reason he want his employees at the office lol.

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

He's more of a control freak rather than a leader

[@perfectwhine742]

I'm so glad to have my own architecture firm, and to play my employees by the job. Not the hour. I have deadlines but I've never hassled my employees other than a normal checkups. It's nice to be respected and liked by employees instead of hated.

[@leemillerr]

This is the reason unions are so important

[@nationofpigs485]

This is why unions are always under the gun by these corporations

[@goinggoinggone535]

But unions destroy muh FREEZE PEACH!

[@leemillerr]

@@goinggoinggone535 did you see amazons fake media accounts that were posting anti-union stuff lol

[@leemillerr]

@@stepanvinnikov6024 the protection from being fired or the unity between workers which part does "it suck"?

[@stepanvinnikov6024]

You can get fired and they can shut you up. Unions are powerful instruments

[@CodingJesus]

I would never work for a company that treated me like digital cattle. The scary thing is, I wouldn't know if they were.

[@titcow8581]

They are.

[@grumpy_cat1337]

Set your firewall to block everything except stuff you definitely know isn't spying on you, browser, dev environment etc. May be tedious, but totally worth it.

[@BrickworksDK]

Yes, you would. When water and electricity has been shut off... When the fridge is empty... When the car's been repossessed... When the bank is threatening to take the house... Then you will take whatever job you can get, no matter how bad it is. That's the way these companies work. Desperate people don't complain...

[@Invisible12345ful]

Management being hungry for monitoring is just a sign of inconfidence and distrust. Such a company is bound to fail eventually

[@pestilence696]

Not necessarily. They can just burn through hordes of people endlessly or until they realise something is not right in there. A company I worked for has been continually relentlessly hiring for 3 years. In my 2 years there, half of the people I knew decided to quit. This is the badly managed profit-at-any-cost machine.

[@Macheako]

Also of managerial incompetence. They legit don't understand WHAT their employees do.... But they better be doing something!! 🤣👍🏻

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

The are betting on the psychological effect that you'll work harder when you think they are watching you and you see how much harder your co workers work.

[@fabianbello8128]

Completely agree. It's also kind of a personality projection, a recognition of their own untrustworthiness.

[@TheGamer-bf5wm]

I had a glass window behind me which my boss could always look over to see what I was doing .... It's anxiety inducing to work in a place where you aren't allowed to breath without someone seeing it.

[@BrickworksDK]

It really is. In the modern open office, I've always tried to get a place where my back is to the wall. I absolutely hate sitting in a spot where everyone can see what I'm doing.

[@solidsnake5644]

Just add a poster with some bs work motivational quote on it. If he questions it, just say that having that poster in that exact spot is really helpful for your work ethic.

[@stevedoetsch]

I also had a glass window behind me which I knew the boss used to look at my screen. One day he was gone for the day, so I sat in his chair and looked at my screen in the window and realized if I dimmed the brightness just enough on the monitor then it wiould no longer appear in the window reflection. The next day he came to work and mentioned my screen brightness. I said "Yeah, it was straining on my eyes, so I turned it down. " He never mentioned or saw my screen again, and had no idea I knew his secret.

[@nicholaslogan5185]

I had the same thing at a company I worked at. The bosses offices were all at the back of the office so they walked by everyone's windows going to the kitchen or meeting rooms. We got a group talking to for to many people "playing video games" during work.... We were a game development team.....

[@thedoublehelix5661]

@@nicholaslogan5185 lmfao

[@yak55x]

I'd like to track my boss's activities. I'm pretty sure he doesn't do a damn thing and leaves early 3 days a week.

[@NoBody-ro3xj]

I wish we could get past the "if you arent moving you aren't being productive" some of the most productive people are the ones that look like they aren't moving. This is because they have more experience in not wasting movements and energy doing things they don't need to do.

[@jeffreyfreeland5942]

We further need to get past the idea that people can or even should be maximally productive for the whole work day. If you have periods of time in your day where you're not productive at all because your brain is friend and you need a break, that is absolutely okay. We shouldn't allow businesses to pursue their bottom line over our own well-being, and overwork is definitely a detriment to our well-being.

[@NoBody-ro3xj]

@@jeffreyfreeland5942 yea no one works all day even the hardest workers lol. In my experience also... the hardest workers don't receive the perks for being the hardest workers.

[@kisstune]

Step 1: Place mouse on floor. Step2: Listen to music. Step 3: Tap foot to music so mouse twitches and software sees mouse movement. Step 4: Profits.

[@Hawaiiansky11]

especially in any type of creative field, such as software developer / designer. You need that 'down time' mental break in order to fuel your creativity!!

[@NoBody-ro3xj]

@@kisstune definitely 😁

[@CodingJesus]

And I thought the government was overreaching by having access to our emails.

[@stratsrock135]

Emails? They've got far, far more interesting data than just your emails. Essentially any and all communications, as well as things like geotracking. Super fun! /s

[@alexisidro]

Man, this is crazy. I’d hate to work for that proto-company guy. Sheesh

[@nadeemm4564]

Most of us work for such guys

[@ChrisJones-rd4wb]

lol I would like too see them try too track my gnoo slash loonux machine

[@rainretribute9852]

Ugly inside and out. Fat baldy 😂🤣

[@rm9308]

Yeah, it's just that we're putting new coversheets on all the TPS reports *before* they go out now.

[@ninjaswordtothehead]

"If I can't look over your shoulder and micro-manage everything you do, how will you know that I'm the boss? It's like if we based everything on performance, everyone would see I contribute nothing!"

[@mohammadamanghauri]

I’m so glad that I’m unemployed.

[@EvelynHayes97]

this made me laugh, its great

[@zeuskronos2018]

Are you self employed???

[@new_sovietwave]

@@zeuskronos2018 self employed is like unemployed

[@zeuskronos2018]

@@new_sovietwave I’m unemployed and I’m sure I’m not self employed 🙃

[@new_sovietwave]

@@zeuskronos2018 I am unemployed too and I feel happy about it for at least as soon as my unemployment days are not ran out which is about 200 more. I just hope to outlive the current state of the world shits and see any better employment opportunities :)

[@justterry6135]

Bad employer: More bonus for project completion for motivation -- NO Tons of money into employee monitoring software and programs -- HELL YES

[@baatar]

“You don’t have to worry if you have nothing to hide” You know who else said that? The Soviet Union

[@obvious_humor]

*USA

[@markarca6360]

North Korea and China, as well.

[@archygrey9093]

Thats like saying you don't need freedom of speech because you have nothing to say

[@Tempusverum]

Dah, komrade. Now sit down and say you like it.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

Tbf I hear this kind of bull in every country nowadays. I don't want my phone to be tracked 24/7. Why? Maybe because I don't trust neither goverments nor corporations. They always reply "as long as you don't break the law you don't have to be afraid" Who decides what the law is?

[@jratnerd]

CEOs tracking workers is obvious, it's done to keep control over their workers. So they can keep thinking of the worker at a commodity and not a person

[@carlosbarzottowirti1895]

Not only a person, an Asset. An important part of company, someone the CEO should keep motivated, well paid, where the employee can feel safety. But that's not how it works, unfortunately. The worst part is that any business class can teach you that. Heck, even my graduation course (not a business one, mind you), teachs about metrics and how people are one of the most valuable assets of a (respected) company.

[@MrApplewine]

It is an act of suppression. It is one thing to measure deliverable and contribution. But another thing all together to ask for but in seat hours. I like the results only work environment idea.

[@BichaelStevens]

Weird how the company I work at only grows and without all this bullshit from the video

[@chrisgk7494]

Results should be the ONLY metric! Why does it matter if the task 1 hour or 5 if i meet the deadline?

[@Midnight_Rain_Wolfgang-Telos]

Exactly. If the deliverable is met on time, it doesn’t matter what I did up to that point.

[@rickross9829]

if you finish after 1 hour what I assigned to take 5 hours, I can pay you the same amount to do more work!

[@chrisgk7494]

@@rickross9829 if the average guy takes 5 hours to finish it and it takes someone 1 then if he can do more in the same time is he getting a better pay or is the company uderpays him for his talent?

[@kebkebeh]

Chris Gk underpays for talent

[@OhmVibe]

Because boomers.

[@jameskeane8653]

It’s ironic that no ceo/managers have this software on their computers..

[@AttilaTheDev]

A company in Northern Ireland attempted something similar and tracked how much code one typed per hour or something like that. It wasn’t officially introduced, but they played around with it. Needless to say I left within 6 months for a job that payed me 3 times as much with no tracking. I can also honestly claim that I feel many times more productive now.

[@the1anonymouse]

Here's how I'd run a business. I hire you to do a thing. If you do the thing, I pay you.

[@Zombie1Boy]

Here's how I manage the people under me: If I am happy with your performance for the you do the thing, I tell you.

[@drewmortenson]

that's called being a general contractor I believe. Hiring independent contractors. I personally would be of the mindset that I pay you what it's worth to me to have you work for me, If you do the things I ask with in reason then you don't get fired, if you exceed expectations, or show you are worth more than I was initially aware of then you get a raise to whatever your new worth to the company is. It isn't difficult and I don't get why some people allow themselves to get corrupted chasing a dollar sign. At the end of the day money isn't worth anything if you don't have a purpose for it

[@goldenfox27]

Imagine these programs that are basically keyloggers compromised causing a data leak. Just because you want to micromanage your workers

[@allenja0]

I hope this happens to every single one of these bastards.

[@CatDribble]

Shit when I'm programming sometimes I need time to think, maybe write stuff down on a piece of paper or read over stuff multiple times to understand it. Just because my mouse hasn't moved doesn't mean I did nothing with that time

[@PHlophe]

i found meself moving the mouse just because of shit like this.

[@kisstune]

In the future artists will get number of brush strokes counted so any time they spend thinking on what to paint, how it should look, color of paint, or mixing paint will not count and therefore they are a bad painter and shouldn't be patronized.

[@rbaleksandar]

I love the pencil and paper approach. But according to such tracking software I will have almost zero productivity...

[@Omikoshi78]

I subscribed because you’re brutally honest lol. Call these people out! You’re the advocate for the people.

[@JACK-RABBIT-SLIMS]

The most common day and time to have a heart attack is Monday morning at 8 AM. And it is because of this kind of shit.

[@hellstormangel]

6:40 It's consent in the same way that when a robber points a gun at me, I consensually give him my money

[@jmoast]

I think it's ironic that one of the companies using the tracking tool is called "TransparentBusiness" (@5:53)

[@jamesmiller2521]

War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Spying is Transparency.

[@timothyroy20111]

@@jamesmiller2521 Well put.

[@ThunderstruckElectronix]

@@jamesmiller2521 lol I thought of Orwell a well. That's doublespeak if anything

[@beldiman5870]

"TransparentBusiness" is the perfect name for it! It is a business that makes everything so transparent that nobody can hide

[@frednil8304]

@@beldiman5870 It's a one-way mirror.

[@Guard385]

"In the U.K. for example, it's been very common to have biometric scanners for cleaners to know how long they've been in a room for..." Ever see that sci-fi movie called 'Gattaca' that came out back in 1997? They depicted a very similar situation in a Draconian, dystopian workplace where a simple eye-lash or hair follicle on a desk would be scanned and read immediately. Scary ass stuff

[@Radeo]

This is the same as when some companies used to ask for social media access. “Well if you don’t have anything to hide...”. Who is attracted and who is repulsed by such policies? Honest people are disgusted. Dishonest people think, “I’ll just make a fake profile and...” and so on. Rewarding vice attracts more vice and runs off virtue. Rewarding virtue brings success.

[@Hawaiiansky11]

Now, a lot of companies insist on you given them your LinkedIn IRL as part of the application process. I need to create a dummy one that only spews, "I love working OT!" and "Bosses are the best" or some crap like that.

[@jimcaptcut1976]

When the bosses talk about improving productivity, they are never talking about themselves.

[@codingwithzak09]

“I’ve always wanted them in the office, I want to look at them, feel them” @8:13 big perv vibes from this boomer

[@DeeDee_Stands_On_Business]

Wtf? Very cringe...I'd like him to "feel" me so I can slap the company with a huge sexual harassment suit and drive them outta business!

[@Puggy42069]

When in doubt, just always use the "safety" excuse. They can easily say "This is for YOUR safety" and "We're in this TOGETHER." They would likely get 80% or more people completely okay with that if they utter any of the two phrases.

[@MatthewEverett]

More and more I feel like the worst thing my parents ever did was saddled me with ethics...I'd probably be running a company somewhere if I didn't give a shit about lying & cheating as long as it makes money. Also, If these people are this happy to treat their employees like this imagine what they'd do if some company sold them chairs that shocked the shit out of people who aren't answering emails fast enough...

[@dontignorewatchme5851]

Being a just and ethical person pays dividends.

[@chaudharycodes]

@@dontignorewatchme5851does that hold even in todays world?

[@beldiman5870]

@@dontignorewatchme5851 It pays dividends in heaven, thats for sure

[@whickervision742]

@@beldiman5870 heaven was invented for that reason. The ultimate form of delayed gratification is to receive no gratification.

[@beldiman5870]

@@whickervision742 Exactly, you should be modest, work hard, dont cheat in taxes, dont lie to defend yourself , dont ask for more, obey your master(s) and you will be rewarded .... not in this world of course, stop being so impatient, you will be rewaarded in heavennnnn

[@richspizzaparty]

Because they can. And we slaves stand for it because “we got bills to pay” and are afraid.

[@motionmix2523]

Why can't they check amount of work done. Instead of tracking each and every move.

[@Sammysapphira]

Because that requires effort and an understand of how their business actually works beyond dollar go up dollar good

[@CAL-zq3dk]

Control.

[@sfBlackFox]

Sounds like a lot of data that can be used against them in court as well.

[@PHlophe]

their idea is " well, your productivity dipped by 0.1%, any problems at home ? " kinda situation. I am already monitored plenty as it is since i have been WFH as an accountant , this too could be another layer of hell.

[@Indigamesforlife]

I hate corporate. People who only care about money. Maybe playing videogames will give a brain break needed to finish the job.

[@jchoneandonly]

I can't listen to podcast if I'm doing big brain work. But music is a godsend

[@SaKaToX]

How dare you not slave away at the keyboard! How. Dare. Youuuu!

[@1breadbox]

10:43 Dude literally contradicts himself by saying it's the results that count at the end of the day - implying it's not how you get the job done but what you get done. In other words when it comes to himself he doesn't measure productivity - just the results. That's the way it should be for the employees too...

[@ac75911]

Wouldn't this just create more work, to have to track and analyze the already done work? Jesus.

[@misterknightowlandco]

Yeah which justifies their salary and job

[@le0nz]

It's an ai

[@ItsTrinton]

Sleazy CEO: Judge workers by busy work numbers. also Sleazy CEO: Only judge me by the end results not how I got there.

[@TheRonpe]

If i was monitored with such a tool, i would probably code something to do tasks, that increases my "Prodoscore".

[@stuontwo677]

except you wouldn't cos if they're going to monitor you like that you can sure as hell bet your ass your machine is so locked down you can't run anything thats not sanctioned......sad but true.

[@CodeTalkerLooter]

@@stuontwo677 A,lso, they might be monitoring the files that you are working on.

[@novaaetas7492]

At my work this is close to what's happening. Instead of focusing on providing value, we instead feed a machine to increase the numbers on our various dashboards. We've become masters of doing the exact same work but maximizing our stats through filler and other bullshit. Management is putting the cart before the horse here but.. if it's what they want then we'll give it to them.

[@Alche_mist]

Government funding for scientists (Czech here) tends to be locked by absurd paperwork of this "scoring" type. Needless to say, the scientists tend to be quite smart, so the computational chemists wrote a "paperwork bot" to feed the paperwork with credible-enough bullshit so they can do what they should and want to do - the actual scientific work.

[@daw329]

@@stuontwo677 if a software developer can't find a solution to such a technical problem, then they probably aren't very good at there job anyway. This isn't magic, just more buggy software taking advantage of a manager class unwittingly putting themselves in position to be replaced.

[@SixtiesFan87]

They should Google competitor's salaries on company equipment. You wanna know what I'm looking at? A raise!

[@astrailiaous_Sempticreed]

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[@jchoneandonly]

Probably a good idea if they weren't a bunch if shit head boomers that will just think you're looking to betray their family and axe you as a result

[@z00h]

@Fluffybrute millennials are the boomers of 2020, I think you might be onto something.

[@JlRyer]

@@jchoneandonly Doesn't have to be a boomer now a days. They have tacked it on to gen X and Mill ,gen z upper management roles, that job hunting on the job is considered betrayal. Age means nothing in this case, cause upper management practices have no age if the policy is the same for a middle management at 23 as it is at 28,42, and 60.

[@jchoneandonly]

@@JlRyer boomer is more a mindset in this case

[@andrewryder2092]

I've always found it amazing how socially removed/incompetent/insecure business owners can be when it comes to their workers. Someone starts a business to be their own boss so they don't have to deal with certain bullshit. Then, they decide to be the ones to implement the same kind of bullshit and somehow feel justified. Wild and crazy mindsets removed from reality.

[@DeeDee_Stands_On_Business]

Exactly!

[@kosm866]

It always freaks me out when I try to explain to someone why the imbalance of power between employees and employers is bad for both parties, and their only argument is "bUt ItS vOlUnTaRy!"

[@pwabd2784]

It's voluntary as much as agreeing to fuck a stranger on a boat is.

[@TheTweix]

This is exactly why I've been working on getting my own business going. The power that big businesses are accumulating is honestly terrifying.

[@DeeDee_Stands_On_Business]

Same

[@notjustanotherbrickinthewall]

Number one advice that I got at my new job is to never let them touch my personal laptop. And never to use wifi at work.

[@tsdobbi]

Yeah to get my company email on my phone, I would have to install their software. Yeah, no thanks. If you want me to have access to email on a cell phone, give me a company provided phone. Not installing your shit on my personal phone. (I do have a company laptop.)

[@nopedefinitelynotnahthatsnotme]

@@tsdobbi Good job. Also most email can be accessed through the web if you need to check it. Theyll just install the mdm software if you want an app to work, essentially being able to know your entire browsing history lol

[@ElGovanni]

Looking at stackoverflow points its dumbest thing i heard, in past u could get 10k upvotes for post about Array.filter() XD

[@Macheako]

The digital market is such a sham lol

[@codegeek-il5fm]

I can confirm this. If you answered a lot of questions early on in a certain domain, you could be a top 10 easily for that domain especially if niche. I am top 4 for a domain on stackoverflow due to some early answers I provided (yes they were good at the time. I didnt copy paste it) but still, I wouldn't judge myself on that domain today based on SO points as I keep getting more points and I haven't answered in that domain for many years now.

[@nathansire6623]

It is a good example of what not to do. Gitlab was some of the buggiest software I ever tried to use.

[@FizzyP]

Commenting a lot on stack overflow (with rare exception) just means you get off on being a drive-by internet faux-expert with nothing better to do. If you happen to know the answer to something you look up and want to spend 5 minutes helping someone else out, then sure. But if you're actually buying into the gamification and trying to get points... get a life.

[@notyou2353]

@@FizzyP so that basically outlines why I don't comment on stack overflow. I use it to find answers, but I'm not enough of an expert in the first place (more a hobbyist with some python and Powershell programming), and even if I was it just seems... Too much like "Internet Cool Guy", or as you put it, "Faux Expert".

[@DeeDee_Stands_On_Business]

Thanks for your entire channel, Josh. A week before Christmas I was fired from a job I had for 4 years. Always got stellar reviews. Myself and one of my coworkers, the two most productive members of the team, were fired because we were the last hired for a project that was so mismanaged that the client decided to move to another provider... Despite hating the sweatshop like culture, I've been slightly depressed since then. I don't want to deal with the bullshit anymore...from the interview process to being treated like less than a human being... I've been half assed taking digital marketing courses online, but devoted the bulk of my time working at this completely dead end job... Thanks for validating my absolute disgust of corporate culture...

[@dankmeme73]

Best way to get fired when they say “ if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about” is by responding with “ if you have nothing to hide why do you have blinds on your windows or shower curtains or a front door”

[@Waitwhat469]

Good point sir, this is why I suggest we start working from your house. I'm still not wearing clothes unless you pay me extra though.

[@sladetheenlightened6767]

"If you wanna be a victim, in sales you can always be the victim" -- Sounds like someone needs to get pistol-whipped by reality.

[@hansonel]

I know right? Play the "victim"....? "They know we're always watching; which is good." Really Reggie? Toxic boss alert

[@karliah1337]

Sounds like someone needs to get pistol-whipped ̶b̶y̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶l̶i̶t̶y̶.̶ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯