Starfleet Disguises

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@michaelvarney. 2 жыл бұрын

I always wanted to write a TNG era story where the Enterprise picks up early radio transmissions from a culture 100 light years distant, and sets course for the planet. At warp 9.9 it takes them a bit over 12 days to get there. During the journey they pick up and analyze snapshots of the culture as it progresses, compressing 100 years of progress into the 12 day journey. They see wars, cultural movements, Arcane television shows, social media etc. All compressed during their journey. Then, one day near the end of their trip they notice a decline in the planetary relations… more war, political discord… strife… and one day they intercept a set of final broadcasts marking the self destruction of the culture. War… total self destruction. The crew would be invested in this drama… discussing the politics, taking sides and forming opinions, then witnessing the destruction… and dealing with that emotional investment. They arrive at the planet… a burnt out and irradiated husk devoid of life.

@radionoakmont7756 2 жыл бұрын

that would be a very fascinating touching story and would make a great episode or movie for star trek one that Mr. Roddenberry himself would be proud of.

@Toasty-du3fl 2 жыл бұрын

a great idea i feel that modern ‘trek’ would find a way to ruin

@radionoakmont7756 2 жыл бұрын

@@Toasty-du3fl i hope they dont ruin that great idea ive seen independent movies fan movies on youtube that were and are pretty good one involving eugenics with the Klingon empire that was very deep.im searching for that one again.

@enisra_bowman 2 жыл бұрын

@@Toasty-du3fl you mean Gatekeeper would find something to ruin it for fans

@drewf41 2 жыл бұрын

If not TNG, this idea could've amplified a couple Voyager episodes.

@SKy_the_Thunder 2 жыл бұрын

My head canon for "cloaking" technologies like holograms is that they were too low tech to stand up to any species in possession of even basic scanners. Voyager's Doctor was routinely identified as a hologram by everyone scanning him, even though his appearance usually fooled anyone relying on their senses. It's just a visual concealment, any area scan would identify "something" there, at which point you could scan it deeper - or just shoot first, ask questions never.

@mrlint0 2 жыл бұрын

In the book 'The Romulan Way' The agent was heavily genetically modified to the point of having green blood (IIRC)

@VulpisFoxfire 2 жыл бұрын

Yay Diane Duane. OTOH, she's considered apocrypha. :-/

@CertifiablyIngame 2 жыл бұрын

I believe they did an earlier version too with Tucker in the Romulan War series, except he had to take routine tablets coupled with surgery.

@jorgnocke991 2 жыл бұрын

@@CertifiablyIngame I have an idea for a video could you talk about the sonic School driver from Doctor Who how it works and and do you think that we will have our own real Sonic School drivers in the next 50 years

@QuantumVLOG 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't know that about the Trill!

@casbot71 2 жыл бұрын

*[Report from field observers on the ground]:* The remote scans didn't show that the indigenous species _is highly telepathic…_

@thanqualthehighseer 2 жыл бұрын

" Starfleet is committed to not using cloaking technology and upholding the treaty of Algernon, Unless we need to sneak around undetected "

@amazedsatsuma 2 жыл бұрын

My takeaway on the treaty is that Romulans were only want to prohibit cloak capable starfleet vessels that could infiltrate their territory.

@patrickmccurry1563 2 жыл бұрын

So... just like real world political deals.

@fenrisvermundr2516 2 жыл бұрын

Technically. It only prohibits us from developing cloaking tech. Doesn't say we can't use it.

@mc-zy7ju 2 жыл бұрын

Thankfully most species of the galaxy are roughly human with added nose and temple ridges.

@sirhenry9313 2 жыл бұрын

It's almost like they were made to have easily-appliable make-up to pass off as aliens....how strange

@mc-zy7ju 2 жыл бұрын

@@sirhenry9313 Totally, apparently Roddenberry also had a rule about being able to see the actors eyes, good ideas all around.

@TIG5574 2 жыл бұрын

Which the episode The Chase explains why.

@nkordich 2 жыл бұрын

One thing not covered is how they conceal their use of the Universal Translator. Aliens' lips move in sync with the English words because, as a TV show, that would be annoying to have them out of sync. In universe, though, I don't know if that would be the case. I can picture noise-cancellation allowing people to hear the translation without hearing the original, so the experience of using it is similar to what we hear, watching the show, but that doesn't address the lip sync issue. Federation anthropologists may spend years learning the language, but we often see regular starship crew passing as aliens; that's in large part a contrivance for the show to re-use characters we know, of course, but to my knowledge this isn't explained the way other aspects of their disguises are. Does beta canon go into how the UT works in this regard?

@Peregrine57 2 жыл бұрын

Since the process had traditionally been done off screen, I just assumed that it was done in-universe more or less the same way it's done IRL; just glue latex to their faces. Though more likely with some additional synthetic bone structures and such added. It didn't occur to me that they'd go so far as to genetically alter people unless it was supposed to be some kind of deep embedded agent or something. Sort of your next level body modification kindof stuff. Also, I'm reminded of a scene in the series "Defiance" where some humans gussied themselves up to pass as Castithans in the night club scene, which some Castithans as I recall didn't seem to appreciate.

@mynameisonaneed-to-knowbas2227 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a video on impulse and sub-light travel next!

@MrApplemat 2 жыл бұрын

Was wondering if you could do a video about those planets that left the federation as the only ones we see are the ones that fall apart, I was wondering if any actually managed to stay together and not go to war.

@jeeshadow1 2 жыл бұрын

Ya, a video on non-federation human colonies coul dbe interesting!

@jayrey5390 2 жыл бұрын

There are plotlines that revisit lost colonies (an Enterprise episode), failed colony (Tasha Year's home world) and pertinent to this video, a borderline first contract that falls (TNG) and a colony that leaves the federation (that slightly culturally insensitive TNG episode with the Native American colony)

@casbot71 2 жыл бұрын

In the Kelvin timeline they can also be used to make a (Mexican) Sikh look and sound like a Englishman.

@christopherg2347 2 жыл бұрын

8:40 It is not just technically "not cloaking". Any halfway decent sensor would pick up such a "holographic Signature" from orbit. Meaning against anything contemporary, such a holo-cloak would actually _attract_ attention. You can somewhat offset that with dampening and scattering fields, but even those are not reliable.

@CertifiablyIngame 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent points! And a dampening field would probably read as a sensor blackout too.

@bipolarminddroppings 2 жыл бұрын

the silly holographic suits were one of those things that the writers clearly didn't think through very much or if they did, assumed no one else would. It's one of those sci-fi technologies that seems cool until you think about it for more than 30 seconds. Forget the limitations you mentioned, if you cough or sneeze at the wrong time you could be exposed. At best people would think the village is haunted...

@companymen42 2 жыл бұрын

Yay another video!

@TheHeroRises 2 жыл бұрын

Shows how invasive and dangerous Starfleet is.

@michaelgautreaux3168 2 жыл бұрын

Have U done anything on the "Efrosians"? I'd love to be part of that.

@baystated 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder in Trek how big a not-faster-than-light technology transmitted signal bubble gets in space before the planet develops FTL drives or subspace comms get them past that distance. Is there a big zone of pre-warp radio signals for Starfleet to stumble through?

@Drakoriyan 2 жыл бұрын

Well, we know what that bubble would be for Earth. The first radio transmission was in 1895 (1900 for the first voice radio transmission), and the first warp flight by humanity was by Zefram Cochrane in 2063. Radio travels at the speed of light, which means one light year per year. Meaning, if I'm not mistaken, by humanity's first warp flight there was a bubble of radio transmissions around earth potentially extending 168 light years around the earth! However, I don't know if the first radio transmissions were powerful enough to reach space, so that number is likely a bit smaller. But the numbers and dates aren't too hard to find! It was fun figuring this out, I hope it answers your question

@patrickmccurry1563 2 жыл бұрын

@@Drakoriyan Also oddly, IIRC, efficiency of tech means that more modern emissions are less easily detectable than early 20th century.

@baystated 2 жыл бұрын

@@Drakoriyan Cool! Thank you!

@fenrisvermundr2516 2 жыл бұрын

@@Drakoriyan What this means is. Starting next year Vulcans will be able to watch tv shows that aired in 2007. And they've been able to watch the masterpiece that is Shrek for 6 years.

@jayrey5390 2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickmccurry1563 Indeed, for example - mobile or "cell" phones are far more efficient than older tech working with mobiles using just a fraction of a Watt or less than ten Watts rather than Kilowatts. Even ground to orbital Comms are far more efficient (read 'weaker') due to more efficient frequency control and management, a shift to data transmission and overall digitisation and more sensitive receivers... Which all mean more hurdles to ET even understanding or being able to decript the content - and that's not even considering the fact we simply rarely just send and receive raw analogue information over radio now, 99% of information is now routinely encrypted, digitised, packaged and chopped up, e.g. mobile phones again. (99% is a complete guess, but analogue use cases of any strength are exceedingly niche and a tiny percentage of transmissions on the whole). -Further one must consider the inverse square law, meaning that any EM radiation emitted (radio, light, x-rays etc) decreases in intensity inverse of the square of the distance from the source...I.e. radio gets weaker as it spreads out through space. There's also the Doppler effect, aka blue or more commonly known red-shift to consider (especially with FTL travel). This could shift the frequency up or down enough to make it undetectable or too distorted by effectively stretching or compressing the wavelength into possibility completely different parts of the spectrum. Depending on the warp mechanics (I'm rusty) a radio signal could effectively read as visible light or squished all the way into gamma rays or beyond the em spectrum altogether. Even communications to simply* the edge of the Sol system with the Voyager 2 probe are now (or were) reduced to just a percent of a Watt in strength for our receivers back here to pick up on. In a Start Trek Voyager episode they do manage to pick up a 20th century SOS signal on conventional FM (or was it AM...?) Radio. It does require the crew light years of travel (in moments) to find the source. This could be considered a kind of "radio bubble" they discovered. They do remark that it was unusual to pick up such signals, that the frequencies were not regularly monitored and it took the computer a moment to identify the signal profile and message therein. By that era it seems conventional radio is no longer used for much of anything in comms and even the ubiquitous "SOS” has passed out general knowledge and needed some digging into the database to decipher. Love the discussion that's come out of these comments.

@radionoakmont7756 2 жыл бұрын

what is that amazing city during the video and at the end with the gravitational semicricles rotating and the spire buildings is that from trek online and which if sowhat city is it that place is beautiful.

@floriangunzer6244 2 жыл бұрын

I belive it's from Star Trek Online. Looks like the Deferi homeworld.

@radionoakmont7756 2 жыл бұрын

@@floriangunzer6244 super awesomes and thank you it is amazing and beautiful.

@Corbomite_Meatballs 2 жыл бұрын

It's from STO, and it's a city on the surface of Defera.

@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 2 жыл бұрын

Defera prime you go there to do the mission set that used to be apart of the episodes but got placed in side missions like the jem'hadar missions though the jem'hadar missionsget you the jem'hadar space set and the breen/deferi missions you get the breen space set in star trek online.

@radionoakmont7756 2 жыл бұрын

@@xyreniaofcthrayn1195 thank you that is awesomes im going to get STOSS

@Skull-in-the-house 2 жыл бұрын

The "Hides" and "Duck blinds" always made me wonder How are those not breaking the agreement with the Romulans on not developing cloaking technology? Seems to be just that, cloaking tech for a lookout position

@stevevanzandt6784 2 жыл бұрын

Shalliak life form’s-eh??👀

@seanmorgan2356 2 жыл бұрын

"Never give up! Never surrender!" "By Grapthar's Hammer. By the Suns if Warvan. You Shall be Avenged!" "Don't do that! It's an alien planet! Is there Air!?!? You don't know!!!"

@samwill7259 2 жыл бұрын

Looking through the signals and media a species is pumping out into the stars would be made complex by a lot of factors. Language would have to be translated and catalogued from scratch which can't be a quick or cheap process, frequencies and media format would have to be tuned into and find a way to be recorded which could be complicated because the old media might be too old or not advanced enough for modern starships or drones to record and store. And finally looking into a species' media and communication would be missing a lot of implied context that the people of the planet wouldn't need to be told, lots of culture or context is unspoken or simply understood so they'd have to work backward from the ephemeral to the core, trying to get at the center of the race's history and culture from its entertainment. I can see why they often need to get closer in order to get at the mechanics of things.

@sirhenry9313 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Rick, All here. Just a quick comment to let you know how much we appreciate your videos 👍 Also, you shouldn't drink so much coffee...

@kassar7146 2 жыл бұрын

Coffee? What?

@mickeyholding7970 2 жыл бұрын

One can only imagine what section 31 did in their missions.

@jehhhGames Жыл бұрын

At 3:17 is that just a man falling from space in the trees below? XD

@gent_Carolina 2 жыл бұрын

Or simply pretend one is fm a different region of the planet, such as *Data* saying he was _French_ in TNG when they went back to the 1800's. Ev1 knows how weird _they_ are w/ their metallic whitish yellow skin & eyes. They never use contractions either; what's up w/ that?! 🤣 Thx Rick! LIKE # 85 COMMENT # 8 Edited to correct bc 3 more comments assisted while was writing. Omg lol