A Multiverse DEFIANT Class and CREW: The Anaximander

[@matthewphoenix6372]

Point of nerd order! Julian was selected as a candidate to model the Long Term Medical Hologram (LMH) Not the EMH Mk2

[@bigfootwalker5399]

Very Correct

[@DAFLIDMAN]

You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.

[@nobodyimportant5417]

Yes. Iirc, it was Andy Dick that modeled the EMH mark II.

[@kensmith2285]

While I do agree with what you said, we have to remember that this version of Julian is from a different reality, not the prime one. For all we know from his reality, he’s the one that could’ve been selected for the mark two

[@cyriljackal]

Mk. 2 was Andy Dick

[@Marconius6]

I loved the fact the dimension-hopping ship had a Prime Directive against species that don't also have dimension-hopping technology.

[@thanqualthehighseer]

Makes sense Section 31 would travel to other realities. imagine going to a timeline where the Excelsior transwarp project was successful and improved for another 100 years, Starfleet created a stable genesis device, allied with the Romulans and has developed advanced phasing cloaks or recovered any one of a hundred lost technologies or alien archives.

[@kamenwaticlients]

This episode was everything for me. I really like that Defiant variant.

[@3Rayfire]

Agreed. Some of my favorite characters came back.

[@kamenwaticlients]

@3Rayfire I like that them coming back felt natural and made sense. They did a good job I immediately recognized T'Pol and Kerzon before they said it. I was surprised I was right. I started cheering haha

[@badman3000]

I think this version of Mariner change completely after her friends Sito die instead of having a devil may care attitude she's decided to play it safe not wanting to end up like her friend.

[@matthewal9545]

probably a reference to picards episode too!

[@nunnayorz5836]

Or maybe this Mariner wasn't stationed on DS9 during the Dominion war and didn't develop PTSD.

[@thejestor9378]

@@nunnayorz5836keep forgetting that happened to her.

[@badman3000]

@@nunnayorz5836 probably both.

[@90lancaster]

@@nunnayorz5836 Who thought it was a good idea to put a bunch of science nerds in combat situations again - that is what MAKOs were for after all.

[@AzraelThanatos]

For the Julian hologram, it's possible that he's also from the Prime timeline there. I could, easily, see Section 31 acquiring the partially complete prototype from Zimmerman for their ship or ships

[@Martyn2021]

There is a fan audio called the section section 31 files group of people called Dark projects. (Starting in 2005 and ran until 2010, 38 episodes in total) I have feeling that the writing staff of Lower Decks has/was fan of it as this episode has some very interesting similarities and the fan audio is well worth checking out

[@KingOfMadCows]

This is the Section 31 movie I want.

[@stevieturner9338]

Thank you a version of Rick

[@Etrune]

I really like parallel universe stories and I really liked what the episode said about them. Nowadays, a lot of media use parallel universes in a simplistic way, which can be boring. But the idea itself can be an excellent way of imagining possibilities and thus helping to reflect on our world.

[@GSBarlev]

Same. It's really easy to do multiverse stories badly (the Arrowverse, the Marvel live-action films, _Picard_ S02...), but my favorite works of science fiction are _EEAAO,_ _Steins;Gate_ and _The OA,_ which really exemplify what Sloane says about the power of multiverse stories.

[@OptimusWombat]

Just like overusing time travel as a plot device, parallel universes can also turn into a crutch for poor writing.

[@MeNoOther]

Yay! Someone who knew about dimensions that were slower than ours. The Sliders episode where the characters appear to travel back in time is called "As Time Goes By"; in this episode, the team encounters a world where time flows backwards, meaning effects happen before causes, creating a very strange and confusing reality for them to navigate. Key points about "As Time Goes By": Time reversal concept: The primary plot revolves around the Sliders landing on a world where time runs in reverse, causing events to unfold backwards. Causality confusion: This leads to situations where the characters witness things happening before they actually occur, creating a paradoxical and challenging scenario. Episode details: The episode features the team trying to understand the reversed timeline and find a way to get back to their own reality As Time Goes By” Episode no. Season 2 Episode 6 The Slider series is where, Jerry O'Connell was stationed before he was the Commander Jack Ransom is the first officer of the USS Cerritos in Star Trek: Lower Decks:

[@dupersuper1938]

I remember that episode of Red Dwarf...also of Star Trek: TAS...

[@Illsteelotube]

This episode pays off years of watching and reading trek.. I’d smiled so hard whole episode.. this show is a jewel ❤

[@TheMadTube]

Everything in this episode was a win. I love the Anaximander and any Defiant variant.

[@DAFLIDMAN]

When Lilley said she "doesn't know what a warp drive is" it got me thinking, how did the Vulcans of her reality get to Earth?

[@MichaelDeHaven]

Good question. Imagine if they were stuck with sub light speed transport. But likely they just use another form of FTL.

[@Marconius6]

Yeah this bothered me too. Although their reality shift drive can clearly move through space as well, so maybe they just use that?

[@FoxMagi]

Vulcans have Warp Drive. They came to Earth when Cochran activated the Phoenix's warp drive.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

@@FoxMagi clearly not in the universe in question, since they've never heard of warp.

[@brll5733]

Maybe their home universes physics does not allow for Warp drive, but osme other form of FTL?

[@dedwoodpete]

The ship also had the Section 31 vanity shield from STO

[@janwitkowsky8787]

Point of nerd order! Dr. Garak isn't claustrophobic, so we can surmise, that his father wasn't as cruel as the prime-universe. And from that speculate that Cardassia was philosophically more moderate, than Prime Cardassia.

[@Fayanora]

In my novels, which have a multiverse, universes that are behind the times like T'pol's are called "trailing universes," and ones that are ahead of time are called "timeskip universes."

[@jacara1981]

I love the hat tip to Tripp still being alive.

[@90lancaster]

In some realities The USS Defiant might have either only got to the prototype phase or never have been made at all. Since Sisko made it get made and O'Brien fixed it's design problem that would otherwise shake it to pieces. So the pennant is a bad idea perhaps if they want it to be an "unknown vessel" - which aside from the Starfleet logo it might do reasonably well as it is made of different materials to many other ships and it even has functional aspects moved around and changed (like blue Bussards for example). Nice to see it land too.

[@kevinrussell3501]

Great episode and excited about the finale. Defiant class still looks so bad ass. I'm really going to miss this show

[@3Rayfire]

Also, thank you for educating me as to who Anaximandros was.

[@joekyle6594]

I will say I really like the storytelling potential for Cochrane developing multiversal travel instead of FTL travel. An alternate "United Federation of Planets" (probably wouldn't be called that, but you get the idea) comprised of hundreds of alternate Earths would make for a really fascinating faction IMO.

[@QuantumVLOG]

I absolutely LOVE the design for the Beagle and I need a model of it right now. The XCV-330 is my favourite Enterprise just for how semi realistic it looks and feels for early spaceflight, I was really happy to see another ringship

[@Soul-cry1]

They called her Dax in the alternate universe which suggests she has the Dax symbiont as well. And Julian was not to be emh-2 he was to be an LMH long term medical hologram.

[@samuelmeasa9283]

I just went with temporal hi-jinx for the reason why so many crew members where from different times. Actually its a excuse I considered using for a STO Machinima.

[@Marcus51090]

There is a scene where boimler said he “fkn hates the multiverse” you see the MSD, it finally shows about 8 decks

[@robertfarr9186]

Admit the S31 paint job on the defiant class ship is nice

[@macklee6837]

Thank you, Terran Ric!

[@angbald]

Dude. You're hands down my favorite Trek channel.

[@tristanmendoza4628]

The XCV-330 is covered more in pre TMP books like SpaceFlight Chronology. That's where I recall seeing it in the early 80s. My copy is in a box somewhere around here. That book also has quite a different take on who Zephran Cochrane was and his history.

[@lexxstrum]

Fun idea I had about Section 31 and the obvious problem with them using Starfleet vessels for their missions: they invent an alien species! You set up shop on some world. Maybe it's a world where it's people went extinct, maybe there aren't any aliens there at all. If they did exist, you use their ships, modified with cutting edge UFP tech. Otherwise, you have to create a whole new type of ship from a mysterious, uncontacted alien species. The benefit of this is you can operate where the UFP can't, and you can make friends where a SF captain would get into trouble.

[@maybetoby]

Ok, I'm gonna go catch up on Lower Decks before i watch this lol

[@colinantink9094]

I really wish the Beagle was an NX class variant in this episode 😢

[@UGNAvalon]

Dang, that Cochrane wasn’t satisfied with just designing a warp drive, he had to build a reality-hopping drive?? I know you’re supposed to dream big, but isn’t a multi-century technological hop a bit _Too_ ambitious? 🤯

[@arpkahn670]

On Holo Bashir, if the LMH program had started a few year earlier in his reality then it seems entirely possible that the EMH mk 1 might have still existed in his reality, but that his Voyager might've either been outfitted with only an LMH or with both. That certainly seems a lot more plausible than any version of Zimmerman being humble enough to model the EMH mk 1 off anyone besides himself.

[@N0Nsense___]

I loved this episode, a lot of ds9 callbacks, returning cast, openly gay couple, confirming that garak was really into julian in that first meeting.

[@dupersuper1938]

I certainly buy that Garak was into Bashir, but technically this doesn't prove anything. Alternate reality and all.

[@radionoakmont7756]

or the garak from the one univeres where Worf kept jumping realities there was one where Bajor attacked and enslaved Cardassia and was very warlike, this garak could be from there joined starfleet to better himself as a doctor and who knows a natural tailor who was a freedom fighter, too cool space SLIDERS, that would be a great series to touch on i have a theory of the escape pod kim what if that voyager escaped the pitcher plant but kim set up a reaction that literally vaporized and he got out but with mental instability cause of the psychic connection it has with the crew and ship cause of the neural interface, him feeling the crew was compromised did the unthinkable and went psycho and not wanting to return to that reality did a second incident, but also attracting attention to many unwanted guest

[@lucidmoses]

Lower Decks is pretty fun.

[@connerthecat4758]

What a banger of an episode this one was.

[@chris2746]

I love how it has RGB Gamer™ shields

[@Dominion69420]

9:50 in S3E8 when William is drafted into section 31, we see what is presumably the Anaximander decloaking, so it does seemingly have one

[@GeoStreber]

7:30 ;My bet is that that Kim was kicked out of the voyager crew for being unstable.

[@OptimusWombat]

Ironic that the unstable Kim is also the only one that ever got promoted, lol.

[@dupersuper1938]

@@OptimusWombat The more unstable Starfleet officers seem more likely to seek out promotion: thus Kirk and Picard staying captains as long as they can, Spock not seeking command, the senior staff of the hero ships staying put for so long...all while crazy admiral after corrupt admiral after incompetent commodore keep making their lives difficult. Even Admiral Shelby eventually screwed up and left Starfleet vulnerable to the Borg. The good eggs seem to avoid promotion to stay out in the field exploring and helping folks. Mariner may be the exception that proves the rule, stabilitywise...

[@OptimusWombat]

​@@dupersuper1938counter-argument: as seen in TNG Tapestry, Picard would have remained a career Blue Shirt Lieutenant if he'd played it safe and by the book. It was reckless, perhaps even slightly unstable Picard that picked a fight with a bunch of Nausicaans.

[@OptimusWombat]

​@@dupersuper1938the key seems to be to have that bit of unstableness within you, and to keep it under control rather than let it take control of you.

[@dupersuper1938]

@@OptimusWombat Counter-counter argument: Tendi and Rutherford are delightful. Tapestry's a great episode, but it kinda' does career science officers dirty.

[@poetscotty]

I'm surprised no one did a video compared Voyager A (Lamarr Class) and Voyager B (Pathfinder class) yet.

[@rahxephonmanga9802]

Bashir was a candidate for the LMH (Long term medical hologram) in the prime reality, NOT EMH.

[@MeNoOther]

But in his reality, maybe Bashir was the EMH. Is what he is saying

[@CertifiablyIngame]

You are correct! I forgot that the EMH.2 is technically not the LMH and assumed the common idea that the LMH project was scraped in favour of the M2.

[@MeNoOther]

So there was the EMH, EMH 2, LMH, M2 Will you do a show on the many medical holograms? Specifically since the Doctor is in Starfleet Academy

[@pandalord7813]

"A string of Harry Kim(s)" More like: i lost count after 20

[@nicktechnubyte1184]

I'll admit, I kinda feel, I don't know how else to say this, "right in the middle" about this episode!

[@n1nj4l1nk]

Ambivalent maybe.

[@OptimusWombat]

10:10 regardless of the ship's design lineage, the Starfleet delta emblazoned on the hull should be a dead giveaway.

[@Sealhunt]

Imagine the Shenanigans the Borg could have gotten up to with a dimension-jump drive. Makes you wonder.

[@williamgeorge2580]

Maybe that stroke Mitch had was actually his conscience making a return before the end.

[@dupersuper1938]

As far as I'm concerned, Trip wasn't killed in 2261 in the prime universe either: I very much go with the books here. Just a Section 31 cover up to hide his involvement in the Romulan War and the Romulans origins. Poor Riker: he seems to really like that program by the time he's captaining the Titan. He must've been crushed when Jake and Nog learned the truth. Some of the other timelines must indeed be at different years relative to the prime timeline. I can maybe buy Curzon being alive in the 2380s, but Lillie???

[@kineuhansen8629]

the fact that william boimler made captain before his brother is so strange

[@HankScorpio64]

The many Harry Kim's

[@radionoakmont7756]

the alt realities and fissures is one reason why the Tholians with their hive mind keeps tabs on all fissures including temporal they are in search of whoever is creating them to begin with the multiple borg coalition is taking advantage of them someone or something is creating them either for sport or just to be a troll but also the young created universe in ds9 that was sent through the wormhole to be safe and grow, and in manyr realities some could represent a far furure or past time is never really relative even SLIDERS this was touched on when Quinn met a 12 year old version of himself at the moment he believed it was an alt 96 but in real reality it was 1984,

[@darinbauer8122]

Temporal personnel recovery. They finally admitted they do that. Wow.

[@safebox36]

Wait, what? The last episode out on Amazon UK for me is Upper Decks. Damn, I'll come back to this in a week's time😅.

[@wyliecoyote]

I looked at the dark Defiant and assumed it was a homage to the USS monitor from The Return in the Shatnerverse book series

[@Jasmin-lg3gf]

My guess is that the many Kims are a reference to the VOY Kim coming from a parallel timeline.

[@mrfleagal]

wish i could watch season 5, but because paramount apparently dislikes norway, there are no legal ways of watching the show outside of buying it on bluray

[@nunnayorz5836]

VPN and change your country to one that you can view it. Or piracy is always an option. It's only illegal on the level of jaywalking.

[@berndbernd3464]

Why the hell would you not pirate it?

[@mrfleagal]

@@berndbernd3464 because i dont trust pirate sites to not give me a virus

[@dupersuper1938]

@@berndbernd3464 If you pirate episodes of Star Trek, are you...a space pirate?

[@3Rayfire]

Today I learned Certified Ingame does not have access to a Section 31 Vanity Shield.

[@CertifiablyIngame]

This is true

[@badwolf66]

Now they need to do a Doctor Who or Rick n Morty Crossover.

[@sanyahikari7072]

To be honest, I thought Picard became a Trill...

[@nunnayorz5836]

In order to maintain cosmic balance Kims must remain as ensigns.

[@dupersuper1938]

What would that mean for Star Trek Online???

[@TheKaffinated]

Hi Rick!

[@kevinwestrom4775]

The "Curzon" person shown in this looks to be caucasian human, not Klingon, as Captain Sisko often reminisced with Jadzia Dax about her time in a Klingon body, as Curzon/Kurzon Dax in various episodes of DS9, unless in the particular "animated" reality of the lower decks show, the 'Curzon' persona was human & had the name of Curzon vs main/prime Star Trek universe, un-animated, the Kurzon host was Klingon & the difference in realities, was why the prime universe was Klingon & the Lower Decks animated universe, the Curzon host was human.

[@Millstone1985]

This Curzon was not human, nor was the standard-universe Curzon ever a klingon. Curzon was a trill, the humanoid species that symbionts like Dax are typically joined with. Trills are recognizable by two vertical lines of spots. Curzon was just really into klingon culture.

[@StarMandoForge]

The Marvel version of the Guardians of the Multiverse!

[@dupersuper1938]

Isn't the Marvel version of the Guardians of the Multiverse...the Guardians of the Multiverse?

[@StarMandoForge]

@ Yes

[@d20avatar]

Long time viewer. Love the channel. You have made videos for other IP besides star trek. Would you consider some episodes dedicated to final fantasy?

[@radionoakmont7756]

there might be a reality where it was Robert Picard who went to Starfleet instead of Jean luc, and Jean went on to do something he always desired behome enjoying the vineyard and artist life with a big family while Robert might have an affair or marriage to Tasha Yar and the switch up with Troi she was caught by the Romulans and her son instead of Sela was a commander and cause of different events became a Pirate with the Emerald Chain, so many universes to explore and catalog it would be fun for meand who knows in the robiverse ill call it the borg like Jiraty variant helped ships by copying data as the only price for repairing and healing crew members ships how that borg became aa repository Library medics of the known universe there and trying to stave off a huge pitcher plant invasion.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

I felt like William was speaking for me during most of this episode. I was dissappointed that they ended up making turn around on the Multiverse nonsense.

[@daveh7720]

Did the Lower Decks ship still have the Starfleet arrowhead? The model here does, but it looks like it was built in Star Trek Online.

[@3Rayfire]

Certified Ingame uses a LOT of visuals for ships from STO I think because Cryptic partners with them and Paramount doesn't care about them using game footage vs extensive episode footage. Yes, the in episode Anaximander did have the Starfleet Delta visible forward of the Bridge.

[@CertifiablyIngame]

Close! I am not partnered with STO, although I have spoken to some of the devs and art team before as part of research. However I do use extensive footage from STO as it is not claimed by CBS, Paramount and such!

[@daveh7720]

@@CertifiablyIngame That's what I was referring to. I've watched most of your STO Story Series so I know you had permission to use game footage, or at least they looked the other way while you did.

[@kaijumaster8367]

I've given it some thought. Lower decks pandering to Tumblr by having a Garak/Bashir relationship doesn't actually bug me. They prefaced it with a comment about how statistically unlikely it was. They commented how the multiversity is just lazy fanons given life, and they had nothing to give the actors but bickering and physical acts of affection....(which side note, does that last one strike you as very Garak?) showing there was no meat on those bones. But a 21st century vessel consistently outrunning a Defiant class? That's still just making me so angry!

[@fingerzfrienemy2226]

The universe is perfect. The multiverse has issues.

[@feralprocessor9853]

SPACE!!!

[@Chris-et2fm]

GARASHIR NOW CANON! *happy queer noises*

[@grahamturner1290]

🖖

[@berndbernd3464]

The alternate universe not habing warp drives is a huge plothole. How the f do they move around when they are exploring alternate realities?

[@aurorajones8481]

It may not have a registry but it has a USS AXIMANDER name... duh we know who you are. Plus the UFP emblem in the front middle. *eye roll*

[@feralprocessor9853]

SCIENCE!!!

[@Hidesinmud]

I can’t imagine ever watching Lower Decks, but this does sound kinda cool.

[@matthewal9545]

Its rick and morty lite, which might be a good thing, that show gets a tad bonkers

[@dalakaar1526]

The humour started out more miss than hit for me, but that turned around as the seasons progressed. Where the show really shines, is their ability to poke fun at the zany things all the Trek's before it has done, while also mimicking their styles and cinematography. It's not just parody, it's homage. (But yes, also parody.) The whole creative team knows Trek down to its DNA and isn't afraid to use what it found there. Very unique perspective that somehow works.

[@CertifiablyIngame]

I think it's worth a watch, the humour is subjective so I can't speak on that. But as others said, it is clearly made by people who have watched all of Trek and pokes fun at all the things Trek fans have for years. If the cartoon angle is off-putting, or the premise too ridiculous, I interpret it all as a deliberate exaggeration of events. It's canon, just perhaps dialled up to 11 in the "retelling".

[@FrankReviews-x8s]

Ok I honestly hope people don't hate. Is it wrong I feel this Garruk and Julian need couples therapy and before I'm attacked you have to admit the whole starting arguments for fun I can't be the only one who thinks that is messed-up

[@QuestionDeca]

So, I realized the twist for the next episode, not going to spoil, but... yeah, if you think about it it's pretty obvious.

[@thomyoutube3478]

I dislike the way that Section 31 is represented in Trek post DS9

[@chase2806]

I am so sick of Section 31. It should've ended in DS9.

[@feralprocessor9853]

*Algorithm Cookie* 🍪

[@bobg9922]

Man at this rate star trek is getting impossible to follow. Too much canon, Too many timelines and so on. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing gets rebooted from scratch in fifteen years.

[@mr.e8566]

the EMH Bashir x Garak was so hilarious because it literally was parodying the internet fanfics that ships them both

[@gmradio2436]

Suprised that Ensign Mary Sue was not on ship given how deep they had to dig to get some of the characters. Yes, that Mary Sue. The parody character that codified a trope.

[@ymishaus2266]

All aboard the USS Slashfic Nostalgiawank

[@desu38]

Man, Star Trek is really becoming the Glup Shitto show

[@Noslime]

I can’t wait till lower decks ends. I can’t wait till we get a Star Trek that I can actually care about again.

[@Fishrokk]

Oh. Kurzman-trek. Disappointing.

[@dot2562]

Judging by everyones eyes on lower decks look like eveyone is on some type of drug....personaly i dont watch cartoons.

[@dupersuper1938]

Have you ever been diagnosed as...anhedonic?

[@kal0247]

Could have done without the current day nonsense that's in everything these days, but I shouldn't be surprised 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@colinantink9094]

Such as?

[@hariseldon3786]

The romantic relationship between Garak and Bahir was completely unnecessary and a capitulation, as so many shows have, to "WOKE TV tropes". His friendship with Garak was deep and fine just as it was...

[@dupersuper1938]

None of this is "necessary". Alternate universe versions of Garak and Bashir getting together doesn't effect prime universe Garak and Bashir's friendship any more than mirror universe Bashir and Jadzia getting together, various alternate quantum reality Worfs and Deannas getting together, alternate future Archer and T'Pol getting together, alternate future Tom and Kes getting together or Kelvinverse Spock and Uhura getting together affects the prime universe versions of those character's friendships.

[@axelhopfinger533]

Reminder that Lower Decks isn't canon and never will be. Like everything Kurtzman Trek. It's mediocre fanfiction at best.

[@ANDREALEONE95]

cope.

[@nunnayorz5836]

Good thing you don't decide what's canon

[@AsheLucia]

Lmao cope incel

[@dupersuper1938]

Reminder that whiny fanboys don't dictate canon for other fans. Further reminder that if Threshold, Code of Honor, Dear Doctor, Homeward, Spirit Folk, Insurrection, Nemesis et al are canon, the weaker parts of the current shows won't break Trek.