The Battle of Cheron (Early Starfleet Lore)

[@garykish8951]

I love this guy. He's putting out Star Trek videos that could have come from the History Channel.

[@Raptorx911]

When you mentioned at the end that the victory was mostly due to the historical actions of the NX-01 Enterprise and her crew, it reminded me of a quote from Star Trek: Generations that I feel is apt: "Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do *anything* that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference." After all, fortune favors fools, small children and ships named Enterprise!

[@diamond_doom201x9]

3:54 Those are really nice drawing of ships!!!

[@markvaughan653]

Well done. I especially liked the series of tactical diagram to illustrate the maneuvers of the various factions. It helps put the conflict in perspective.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

Romulans: " -Theoden King- Archer Captain (and Humanity) stands alone." Shran: "Not alone. To the -King- Coalition!" Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites, and some Klingons: "To the Coalition!"

[@ozichukwuezike1048]

Certifiably Ingame is my favourite channel on KZbin been hooked for more than a year. Much love from Africa. Please keep up the awesome content.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

It is nice to see this and other channels bringing the Earth-Romulan War more into the spot-light. I doubt by this time there will be a live-action season 5 of Enterprise. But with the apparently relative success of Lower Decks and ongoing of Star Trek Online, many if not most of the original cast could possibly continue this an animated series or video game.

[@thedarkdragon1437]

corona

[@MsSissiePooh]

As long as we see some depiction of the Earth-Romulan War, either in an animated miniseries (my personal preference, thanks to the amazing animation on Lower Decks and Prodigy) or a video game, we’ll finally get to see one of the most pivotal events in all of Star Trek, after a nearly 60 year long wait.

[@jonmcinnis1645]

@Stephanie Freeman I think the Romulan war could’ve been their answer to Star Wars the clone wars series and I Think this series should’ve aired on Nickelodeon and should’ve been made in 2006 and aired from 2006 to 2009 with three seasons (Who should make and produce the series i vote Steve marmel The former developer of Danny phantom I am saying it should been made by the same people that did Danny phantom) and it would be a micro series (Similar to the clone wars 2003 microseries) like and comment if you agree

[@MsSissiePooh]

@@jonmcinnis1645 - If a Romulan War animated series (anywhere from two to three seasons) had been produced shortly after Enterprise ended, it probably would’ve been amazing, particularly if the cast of the series lent their voice talents to it, and the series had aired on Nickelodeon or even Paramount Network (which came on the air in 2013 or 2014, I think), it would’ve been the network’s flagship original series, and it would be seen by a much bigger audience. Today, it seems highly unlikely that a Romulan War miniseries - animated or live-action - is going to happen, due to the ongoing fan animosity towards the current custodians of Star Trek, Alex Kurtzman and Akiva Goldsman.

[@jonmcinnis1645]

@@MsSissiePooh yeah but do you agree with who should make and produce the series?

[@raymondcarter1137]

Peekaboo I see you! Romulan...damn! Attack!!! Where did they go? Behind us!! You got to be pretty ballsy to attack with a force of Daedalus ships as your main offense. Without help it was pretty much a death sentence.

[@haberak3310]

I honestly have no idea why the Federation completely did away with MACO. A navy can only be do useful without an army or marines supporting it

[@Qardo]

It is because the Federation is run by people with no military understanding and no logical thinking of the fact that you still need a military to DEFEND the home. If MACO was around during the Four Years War. Klingons would have never invaded Earth. The Breen would have done less damage to Earth (Still would have done damage. Just because the Changelings would have played a major role to undermine the defenses). Really in Beta Canon, it was due to the fact of that war that MACO returned. Long with OMEGA to defend with the Borg threat. Starfleet is not the Federation. Starfleet is a Face of the Federation. Starfleet is supposed to be an exploration arm of the Federation. The Federation wants it to be that way. Though we all know that Starfleet is a Military Organization created for not only exploration but also to be the first and last line of defense of not only Earth but all other worlds within the Federation. Yet the Federation shoots itself in the foot so many times. The moment they feel at peace. They downgrade the military side of Starfleet. Lessen the weapon load-outs of their ships. Then, some alien power comes into contact with a Federation ship and starts blasting. Followed by invading Federation Space. The Federation Government freaks out and has no idea what to do. It is usually vets of Starfleet that have to step in and starting from scratch rebuild everything that was. Soon the ties of war changes and the Federation pushes back. Though have to question. Was it worth the cost to never be prepared?

[@exilestudios9546]

the issue is ground forces are nearly entirely useless in the star trek universe as control of a worlds orbit is enough of a deterrent to force a worlds surrender and since planetary and city shields and ground defense systems are rare and not used by the UFP there is rarely ever a reason for an invading enemy to ever send ground forces the surface. the macos simply became outdated

[@Stormcrow_1]

@@exilestudios9546 Considering how often Starfleet does boarding operations and in turn gets boarded. Plus all those away missions to hostile locations. I'd say having combat specialists such as MACO still makes perfect sense.

[@haberak3310]

@@exilestudios9546 Except for the fact that we often see Starfleet officers having to double as infantry despite being trained as effectively naval personnel. They at least need marines like MACO to properly defend ships, board enemy ships, and fight off ground invasions. Control of spaces, like control of the seas, can only do so much.

[@jacara1981]

@@haberak3310 I think Starfleet Security is kinda a blending of MACO and traditional Navy training.

[@ryankirkpatrick959]

These entries have become my go-to video encyclopedia for all things (covered so far) Trek! I only wish they were longer and came more frequently, but that certainly isn't a complaint. Thanks for your time and efforts to entertain us! Do you do the Patreon thingy? Every channel I watch hits me up, some are even worth it, but I'd reach into my pocket to support this channel.

[@TheFattdragon]

Woot been looking forward to this,thanks well done.

[@NoBudjetFilms]

I'm still mad that this story was never told in Enterprise. I would have loved to see this. That whole Xindi story arc was pointless from the start. Their species and makeup/costume design looked great, but otherwise contributed nothing to the overall story of Enterprise. Plus we all new that they were going to lose because Earth was of course going to be saved and the Xindi were never mentioned again. There was never any sense of threat from them, so I never was worried about them. Same thing with the whole Expanse area.

[@Timeward76]

I can't imagine, even with a book's description, what Archer might've been feeling when the second wave of reinforcements arrived. When it seemed that his efforts of unity had failed and earth was on its own, the coalition came through for them in the end. What seemed like a final failure suddenly turned into a triumphant victory. For Earth, the Coalition, and for Archer's dreams of a cooperative alliance.

[@thomashill6347]

Well my friend on KZbin another great piece of research and very informative do to the fact I do not read books. and I did not know any of this story. Thanks for sharing it.

[@JWINDSOR]

I really wish we had got to see the romulan war play out in enterprise.

[@MajSolo]

you are doing good work for the community keep going

[@gothicalpha]

Ah the Klingons... Always there for a fight huh? Can't help but feel like they really make life in star trek more interesting

[@Timberwolf69]

They do. They can be everything to you: your ally, your foe, sometimes even at the same time...

[@Timeward76]

Whenever you pick a fight with someone, you never know if and when a small Klingon armada is gonna just appear out of nowhere, or whose side they're gonna be in.

[@mittensfastpaw]

God I love your covering of this lore!

[@dimensionlordgambitmccoy9727]

Good video! Looking to the next one.

[@The1234philly]

I could have seeing this told well in later series of Enterprise... if Paramount had fate in it.... what a loss...

[@tobatron721]

Can you do a character profile on Charles Tucker 3rd

[@stevengalloway8052]

Excellent story. Thank you... 👍

[@SnarkNSass]

I'm thoroughly cornfuzed. 😕 Must be my sinuses stuffed up all the way into my brain. You rock Rick! PEACE

[@captainrgd1565]

Is the United Space Probe Agency still considered canon Kirk mentioned it before they said Federation!

[@exilestudios9546]

it is still canon though it is a separate organization to starfleet.

[@virginiaconnor8350]

And are "The Good That Men Do" and "Kobayashi Maru", the two "The Romulan War" and the five "Rise of the Federation" novels canon or not?

[@TMMAAS]

So the U.S.S. Franklin and Captain Edison Baltazar is from the Prime Universe media too?

[@darthdragonborn1076]

Fun fact,general valdore actually had a ship named after him(romulan ship in ST nemesis) and in STO a assimilated dreadnought

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

Yes, and it's rubbish. Apart from D'deridex and Faeht Intel warbirds, Mogai variant warbirds are rubbish. I was in a private TFO with some of my friends and all they had are T5-U and mine was a Paladin class Temporal Battlecruisers and in elite mode. Funny thing is, if you constantly use Channeled deconstruction and Entropic cascade, it takes a minute to destroy it. I have 2 tactics with 2 ships. 1. Use temporal and EPG build. Gravity well, tyken's rift, destabilising resonance beam and subspace vortex combining with channeled deconstruction and entropic redistribution. Gone within 45 seconds. 2. Using miracle worker abilities. Drop a gravitic induction platform which will pull the warbird while you eject warp plasma on its trail. So, the warbird will be pulled through warp plasma. While I have a advanced diffuse Tetryon weapons (got it from Lobi store) at the back. Apply a full spread and watch it crushed like an egg.

[@chissstardestroyer]

T'Pau nails why Vulcan had to back off from mutual defense; their ships were comprimised, as significantly moreso than anybody else's in the coalition- at least in the novels: and the technology in Vulcan ships far exceeded that of Terran ships- in all but the security systems. This enabled the Romulans: renegade Vulcan breakaway colonists frankly, to hijack Vulcan ships and turn them into "zombie/bot ships" to do their bidding- a real hazard.

[@hamishsewell5990]

Love these battle vids! One on the Battle of Witchhead from Gene Roddenbery’s Andromeda? Or the war that battle was a part of?

[@megadoomerr]

Yea. More like this please. Battles.

[@admiralcasperr]

Too bad Enterprise never got enough numbers to give us the Earth-Romulan war on the screen.

[@tocold4you]

Wished we could of seen the whole romulan-earth war in the series

[@jonmcinnis1645]

Dusty roadz I think the Romulan war could’ve been their answer to Star Wars the clone wars series and I think this series should’ve aired on Nickelodeon and should’ve been made in 2006 and aired from 2006 to 2009 with three seasons (Who should make and produce the series i vote Steve marmel the former developer of Danny phantom I am saying it should been made by the same people that did Danny phantom) and it would be a micro series (Similar to the clone wars 2003 microseries) like and comment if you agree

[@captainrgd1565]

We have a Voyager J and the USS Nog... will you be reviewing those new ships from Discovery?

[@exilestudios9546]

wait nog had a ship named after him? thats kick ass

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

USS Tuvix

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

@@cmdrtianyilin8107 It was destroyed shortly after being built.

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

@@Corbomite_Meatballs it was build by Kitbashing a Vulcan Science Vessel and a Talaxian freighter.

[@youtubeviewer4472]

Is there an official place to request lore videos? I would really like to see a video explaining how Earth's "Post Scarcity Economy" works and how Earth humans don't use money anymore. But at the same time, people own property and land. How does Sisko's New Orleans restaurant work in a society without money? It's HIS restaurant and he has CUSTOMERS? But there is no money?

[@torynnielsen5646]

I wish Enterprise was not cancelled and they got to show us the romulan human war

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

My problem is, Romulans had warp travel since 4th century of Earth year, thus they are a very ancient power but still managed to lose to a significantly new and weaker power like the Earth. You'll have to actively try just to lose the battle otherwise. Are they that rubbish?

[@Qardo]

Well, when you are a society that has been isolated from the rest of the Uniserve and no one really to challenge you and no real need to advance technology. You can see they had no reason to advance their technology any further than they already had. Really the fear and the battles with the Federation were the reason for the Star Empire to finally get off their asses and start inventing new technologies. As they would fall behind and end up being a footnote in history. And we all know a good Romulan does not want to be left as a footnote in history. Not even the no-name peon that serves Romulan Ale doesn't even like the idea. Sure they had some scruffles with Klingons for centuries before Humanity even took the stars. Long with spying on their long lost cousins the Vulcan. Yet they still had no reason to advance much. As the Klingon really were more of a pest than a real threat. Vulcans were easy to control and manipulate from afar. To force the Vulcan to spy and pester the Andorians. Trying to go so far as to start a war between the two. The Tellarites were easy to deal with. As they never really wanted to leave home. So there was no issue keeping them bottled. Yet it was humanity that screwed up all their plans. Thus the Federation was born. So Romulans focused all their hatred towards Humanity and figured (kind of correctly). If they focused on destroying humanity. The rest of the Federation would crumble In turn, they would remain the top dogs in the galaxy. Yet we all know how that played out.... As I see it. Romulans, Klingon Empire, and even the Cardassians own it to the Federation to basically be a swift boot the head to come to realize. They are not that tough as they thought they were. Thus jumpstarted a lot of innovation and new technologies. Much like how the Romulans started to invest in trying to control the Borg....with mix results.

[@Dseagles14]

I agree with what your saying, My guess is that even though they had warp travel they had no one else in the quadrant to force them to advance so there technology stagnated but with the arrive of the United Earth not only did Earth get up to speed fast after they discovered Warp travel but they were constantly updating their technology plus I also think the arrogance of the Romulans was also part their downfall in the war

[@Timberwolf69]

@@Qardo That sounds quite sound to me. As a quite well known Vulcan once said (loosely quoted): "You humans managed to do things that took us millenia to accomplish in roughly a century." That's a prospect that doesn't just scare the Vulcans, but many others, too.

[@cpasr8065]

Is there anywhere that mentions Romulans achieved warp travel in the 4th century? I thought they travelled sublight for many years as Vulcans itself achieved it much later (a millennia)> I'm pretty sure there's apocryphal content stating that that's how they travelled (Sublight + Wormhole) to Romulus. And that also states they started expanding only 1 or 2 centuries before the UFP's formation.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

Yeah, I've come across conflicting sources over the legitimacy of this. I've heard of some sources (don't remember which) stating the Romulans don't get warp tech until as late as the 20th century. Due to how continuity breaking and debated this topic is, I just elect to ignore it a go with the most logical answer unless/until it gets explicitly stated otherwise in the future in either a show, movie, or potentially a major game.

[@johnnafunkhouser5999]

Most enjoyable!

[@icqme8586]

I'm a casual trek watcher. Is this lore mostly from books, video games, shows, or movies? Unsure where to go to enjoy these stories?

[@Chace957]

Books. The rise of the federation series

[@RX552VBK]

Why did Spock refer to these battles as primitive spacecraft, with primitive nuclear weapons, etc in Balance of terror episode? I thought it was a mistake for ENT to show the battle---it didn't line up with many references made in the BOT TOS episoe.

[@christophernemeth421]

I think that was an over simplification on Spock's part but somewhat accurate as about 100 years of time had passed. Looking at Earth's history pre 1900 Battleships and naval fleets would have been completely outclassed in 40 years by 1930's Battleships and fleets.

[@attiepollard7847]

Hold on. Are you sure a separate sect of the Klingons is helping the Earth in the romulan war? Is that even in the book?

[@FoxerBoxerNaaniwa]

So like. Is the stuff established by TOS on the Romulan war just totally retconned now?

[@jacenjediknight89]

Thank you! 😁

[@neves5083]

Im hungry for early starfleet

[@navarog378]

To the people who know stuff: Why does the Federation never employ combat drones? It seems quite strange to me

[@cpasr8065]

Agreed. (abridged from one of my comments in reddit-) They can create Drones microscopic in size or as big as Starfleet ships. And almost all of that space would go to essential systems, i.e Power, Defense, Weapons & computing. You don't need those wastes of space called rooms & life support used by biological organisms. And the pilot could be an AI coordinating across thousands of ships, millions of times faster than a Biological organism could ever do, that actually thinks of space as 3 dimensional (or 5 dimensional). But what if they turned against us? Ahh, I see you're still afraid of Control re-emerging. If you're that unsure, use remote piloting (you don't need telepathy if you stay a LY behind). You could again have much better co-ordination as well as have pilots that survive every encounters. Then there is sheer numbers. You can't compete with a million individually moving drones when all you have are some 30-50,000 ships in the 24th century (or thousands of drones & tens of ships in the 22nd century). And if all hope is lost, you have thousands of RKMs (think Kinetic Altitude missiles but at a considerable fraction of the speed of light). If one of these newly created RKMs destroyed a warp core or something similar in the enemy's fleet, you'll have wreaked havoc/chaos as well as weakened their shields & defenses.

[@haberak3310]

Well drones are mainly used in land and air based operations, where space combat is more closely comparable to modern naval combat. The thing about that is that to pack enough firepower for practical use, a vessel needs to be large and large vessels don't lend well to remote control. Now if the problem of size and firepower can be solved then drone ships can be very viable

[@cpasr8065]

@@haberak3310 I would imagine it is closer to aerial combat for one reason- 3 dimensions.

[@haberak3310]

@@cpasr8065 Yes there are three dimensions, but but the maneuverability and flexibility is more comparable to naval combat, which is what I'm looking at

[@navarog378]

@@haberak3310 They were used by the random space terrorists in new star trek 3 and shown to be quite effective (not a part of main continuity I know). Besides, Federation ships seem to have a problem with targeting multiple anemies at once and and often miss in such conditions. Romulans for example could use this to their advantage, but the klingons would never do that.

[@Painter.Wane92]

Gotta love some Klingon Vagabonds

[@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God]

Section 31 existed before the federation? Sooo what exactly was its goal then? To protect Earth from threats?

[@drahcir8402]

So how did the Romulans magic hacking actually work?

[@quoniam426]

Computer virus based on Vulcan programming acquired through spies.

[@thomassalois3508]

Didn't the Klingon Kolos who was Archer's Klingon lawyer really do it to pay back a debt?

[@MoonjumperReviews]

Trip, Trip, HURRAH! Trip, Trip, HURRAH!

[@ricaard]

Is that the actor who portrayed the alien from the X-Files in the thumbnail? The one with the eye-burning toxic blood?

[@thandokhan1962]

Yeah, he played the alien head hunter

[@GillianMStarlight]

That's Brian Thompson, who was also Klag in ST:TNG "A Matter of Honor".

[@mb2000]

In “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield” wasn’t Cheron said to have been previously unknown to the Federation until 2268? So how can there have been a battle there 100 years prior?

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

You can have more than one place with the same name...like cities named Columbus, Springfield, or Greenville.

[@DMSProduktions]

DIFFERENT 'Cheron'!

[@tiggergolah]

There was the Cheron system, and then later you meet a species in a different system whose name for their planet is Cheron. Are you going to tell them, "No, you can't call it that. That name is already taken." Now that you mention it, wouldn't it be funny if we were visited by aliens, and they said, "Sorry, this isn't Earth. That name's already taken. We''ll just call you SquishyGibbet, which means 70% Water."

[@mb2000]

@@tiggergolah Well I’d prefer SwishyGibbet over Ugly Bags of Mostly Water!

[@DMSProduktions]

@@tiggergolah OR Rigellians, come and speak Rigellian, but it sounds just LIKE English, & they say you don't speak English, you speak Rigellian, they just SOUND the same!

[@jeffa7292]

rick,please do a video about the transporters & holodecks in star trek,& please do a video about jabba the hutt's slaves & slaves costumes & please do a video about how to marry & divorce someone in star trek & star wars universe

[@tyreecebaker6600]

👍

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

fools, children, and ships named Enterprise

[@cherongordon9248]

?????????????

[@specialnewb9821]

Nice try with "sleep" Archer. A man 200 years ahead of his time. But... what if the Romulans had just gone over the allied ships 🤔

[@pearsegallagher106]

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[@trevorschauer9680]

Everytime I see a picture of the federation, I can't help but laugh at how stupid the design is. That giant stupid staircase... I mean, what is the point of that design?

[@robertmonroe6434]

First!

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

Jokes on you, I just stayed up 3 o clock in the morning just to watch Rick's video.

[@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701]

Cyberwarefare and Klingons coming to aid Starfleet in 22nd century.... Mmmhhh , maybe Enterprise IS really Set in an alternate Timeline cause by the Events of Star Trek First Contact after all.... cause these Events seem out of place.

[@Timberwolf69]

Well, the Klingons are not a homogeneous group, even though they have a leader (Emperor/Chancellor). They consist oft several houses, which quite often compete against each other for power.

[@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701]

@@Timberwolf69 i know.... But to think that the lawyer, who defended Archer and disgraced HIMSELF by getting imprisoned for 1 year in Rura Pente has had still a little fleet of His own,.... Just seems to much.

[@Timberwolf69]

@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 Well, this would mean that he was head of a house, albeit a smaller one. As a lawyer, there's not much to lose for him or his house, as these jobs aren't regarded as very honorable. And if he survives a year in RP, the only way is up for them. And this path is filled with gloirious battles.

[@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701]

@@Timberwolf69 yeah but a House which is not considered honorable in the first place or disguised as such(House of Duras) should Not have a small fleet of klingon ships.

[@Timberwolf69]

@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 These ships are owned by the houses. The Klingon Defense Forces doesn't exist at this point and even later on, the bulk of the Klingons' forces are provided by the houses. If a house leader is stripped from his honor, so are the rest of his house. Those loyal to their leader will fight for him, wherever he goes, in hope that the bravery they show in these fights might restore their personal honor upon death.

[@vengeance5537]

And yet, until Kirk fought that Bird of Prey, Federation had never seen a Romulan. What a lore rape.

[@followerofjulian1652]

Stuff & nonsense. Jolan tru!

[@pearsegallagher9832]

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