Luna Class Starship

[@Lazarus1095]

Ah, the Pocket-Sovereign!

[@THATGuy5654]

"We will name this new Luna class ship... the Ganymede!" "We're onto Sol System moons? Wow, did we run out of British Imperial ships and Earth rivers to name our multi-species federation's ships after?" "Yes, actually. But don't worry; we have plenty of Earth writers, philosophers, cities, activists, trees, and nostalgic sitcoms to name ships after. It'll be a long time before we have to resort to naming any our ships after, I don't know, Bolian or Tellarite stuff." "...sir, I AM a Bolian." "...a noble and accomplished race, to be sure. Now you'll excuse me, I need to be… somewhere else."

[@clintmatthews3500]

Sir, this ship is a Wendy's.

[@rabidrobbie]

@@clintmatthews3500 "Nostalgic sitcoms" Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the USS Seinfeld, and its sister ship, the USS Frasier.

[@jimmyryan5880]

In my mind most species dont see a human majority in star fleet as a bias but rather a sacrfice by earth. The andorians continue to have a navy, the vulcan science accademy is their navy, earths is the vestigial earth defence force. Instead earth allows itself to put researches and people into starfleet for the good of the federation rather than splitting their focus between their own and starfleet like most do.

[@trilldrake1211]

That also explains why every invader always goes after earth. Earth is basically the lynch pin of the federation, not only serving as its headquarters but also putting basically every resource it has into the federation. If earth falls so does most of the federation forces.

[@limabravo6065]

So your feelings supercede the story?

[@theindooroutdoorsman]

Or it's due to breeding. Just 500 humans can produce and raise enough crew for five Luna's in 20 years.

[@chrisbennett6236]

Ironically it's design was shelved for the war but once they were deployed (Titan) it turned out to be a juggernaut. They even ran circles around the Sovereign and Akira class initially. It also inspired overhauls of the shielding and sensor system for nearly every active ship design in service. A lot of people seeing a Luna defeat a Sovereign, Defiant, Akira and Prometheus class in online can't figure out why a long range explorer class is beating ships designed for combat in some way. My answer: is it's like the Kirk era Constitution class, being alone for years at a time with no backup it quite literally needed to be better.

[@tburrows357]

The Luna is like how the Ambassador class was in its day. Top tier next generation technology, ambassadors were first to employ the LCARs computer system. At their day the Ambassador was known as a heavy cruiser and was capable of taking on 2-1 any other equivalent ship of the alpha quadrant powers. Truly the power house and even looking at yesterday’s enterprise the ambassador held its own against 4 romulan war birds. To such great effect that the romulans retreated from galactic relations to completely revamp their entire navel capability. Luna is beautiful and I think really facilitated its role as long range explorer and flag ship.

[@Reddotzebra]

Since the bulk of its generated energy for defensive purposes is generally used to power those ridiculously powerful shields, I'd still say it's a much better exploration vessel than most other Starfleet vessels. The galaxy can be a dangerous place after all...

[@Lawcoom]

A dangerous place but the Federation with its naïve deluded ideals would rather let people die than build a ship capable of defending anyone. They allowed with the treaty of Algeron to let every major galactic power to have cloaking tech which gave them a clear advantage. If the Federation was real it would be conquered in a flash

[@apparentlynot1stLeonchubbs]

Ah ha 🥇

[@logicplague]

No kidding, how'd you like to be 30,000 light years away and stumble into an uncharted sector of Borg space in an Oberth?

[@zeighy]

**squints** I see what you did there...................... **angry upvote**

[@vic5015]

@@logicplague Oberths aren't really suited for deep space exploration. They're more for doing science experiments in low-threat environments. Space is a pretty dangerous place, full of weird interstellar phenomena and the occasional space monster. And that's even without hostile aliens actively trying to blow your ship up.

[@Merennulli]

I wish there was more of an on-screen explanation, but I like how the large Swiss Army Knife ship classes all have an overall similar design that amounts to "current Enterprise, but without a piece and the nacelles go down". Miranda/Soyuz based on refit Constitution, Nebula based on Galaxy, and now Luna based on Sovereign. It was a brilliant way to make the ships look like they fit while being clearly different, and the utility pod gave it a clear niche each time they revisited it. Obviously, each was designed in different ways by different people with different goals, but they ended up similar and filling a similar niche.

[@13legomania]

I think in universe it could be easy of manufacturing. Asimple matter of they have the facilities to build these parts, so they might as well use them. Scaling an existing design up or down would probably be easier than designing a whole new part and any infrastructure that might be needed to build it. It would also probably make maintenance easier.

[@Merennulli]

@@13legomania Rescaling doesn't really work for manufacturing things with critical internal dimensions like crew decks, but it could easily reflect a design trend of an era. Something we see in oceangoing vessels across history where you can almost immediately tell an Edwardian ship from a Victorian or other eras with each feeling cohesive within a culture, industry and generation.

[@danielshemwell2662]

I like the tighter placement of the nacelles to the hull, makes it look more sturdy

[@AigisAppreciator]

Ah yes, returning to Star Fleet's values of peaceful research and exploration with *checks notes* quantum torpedoes and ablative armour

[@canisarcani]

they learned a very hard lesson between the borg and the dominion. honestly its better this way, it was always arrogant and frankly idiotic to assume youd never encounter anything out there that was a major threat. federations better off now.

[@davidlewis5312]

considering how arrogant and naive the Federation was at the start of next gen, I am fine with that. Better for the Federation to have ships that can keep their crews alive than to fully de-militaritize.

[@mylesbarrett2031]

"It’s not safe out here. It’s wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it’s not for the timid." Starfleet learned to Heed Q's warning.

[@XanderKHD]

Whatever direction you're going with these "Starship Index" videos, keep it up! The starships are one of my favorite aspects if Star Trek!

[@SchneeflockeMonsoon]

The Luna was such a cool design. It was an excellent merge of the militarized style from the Post-Borg Scare & Dominion War (Defiant, Akira especially, Norway, Sabre, Sovereign, Steamrunner, & Intrepid) with the original scientific style of the Post-Cardassian War era (Galaxy, Cheyenne, Niagara, Nebula, New Orleans, Freedom, etc.).

[@jadestephan7395]

I played a Star Trek adventures game in a Luna for 3 years! Glad to see this ship get cannonized

[@tonyah.960]

''OUTSTANDING" show and A super great starship! We need an animated show about Captain William T. Riker on the U.S.S. TITAN on Paramount Plus!

[@Z-42]

I would love to see a series about this ship. This is the type of Star Trek I've been wanting.

[@IIISentorIII]

Star Trek is dead Jim

[@Z-42]

@@IIISentorIII Damnit Sentor, I'm an optimist not an optometrist!

[@Peaceforall20111]

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR COMMENTS ABOUT DOING MORE SHIP REVIEWS….. YOU THE MAN!!!!!!

[@SuperGamefreak18]

I’ve always seen the Luna class as a counterpart to the intrepid class as well both being modern constitution class ships. A ship that prioritizes science but has teeth and looks more elegant and friendly than actually agressive. Even with how armed the Luna class is it would be better to send that ship than something like a galaxy class or sovereign to an alien species you are trying to be diplomatic with

[@Thatslifebro_]

I feel Galaxy class ships are far better suited to diplomacy and negotiation for several reasons. They are well armed and shielded, especially the Dominion War refits, but not to the same degree as a Sovereign that would seem threatening to others. They are large yet elegant in design and full of research labs and leisure areas you can show guests in a more relaxed situation. The Galaxy is honestly the perfect ship to host such events since it shows everything Starfleet truly wants to be and everything its capable of.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

@@Thatslifebro_ they are but they are also VERY imposing with their size alone they are 50/50 going to scare someone and inspire someone. Galaxy class best for a lot of occasions but it’s also old and even with its flaws still one of the most powerful classes the federation can send into battle. The galaxy class is a warship that masquerades as a cruise ship. A lot of times a galaxy class is a sledgehammer for diplomacy. The Luna class is a powerful mid size ship that is at worse on par with an old nebula. And while that might be needed for some groups the Luna is more than enough in a lot of occasions

[@irregularassassin6380]

I would probably send a Nebula or (especially after Voyager returned) an Intrepid on a diplomatic mission to a middling power, rather than a Galaxy or Luna. The Nebula is a "pocket" Galaxy, all of the features in a slightly smaller package. Wow them with staterooms without waving a battleship in their face. The Intrepid is a design that was rapidly supplanted by evolving technology, but has demonstrably proven to be an excellent all-rounder. Impress them with tales of Voyager, and then explain how all the things that make that ship, and yours, cool are actually dead-end research projects.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

@@irregularassassin6380 that is a great idea and some nice choices. Then again they could always send an excelsior...the ship they never stop making for some reason. Also I agree with using an intrepid, because without Voyager giving them more prestige. It was the perfect show ship, one of the most advanced at the time, the perfect balance of beauty and elegance with teeth that makes it a class that shouldn't be underestimated. Voyager's journey's just proved the full potential of the ship, which was already seen as pretty high, the luna class is designed for what Voyager was forced to endure.

[@darklordofsword]

I view it as the counterpart to the Sovreign-class in the same way as the Miranda to the Constitution or the Nebula to the Galaxy.

[@jimmythomas3077]

I love the USS Titan!

[@vic5015]

Given the truly *insane* number of moons that both Jupiter and Saturn have, there are certainly *plenty* of names for Starfleet to choose from, with both planets known to have over 50 moons each.

[@jeremydale4548]

I referee to believe there are 50 spheres orbiting around Jupiter and Saturn. Before anyone says anything, I’m not keeping up with space stuff beyond shows and the like.

[@The_Viscount]

Don't forget Uranus and Neptune!

[@fluffly3606]

@@jeremydale4548, Most of them are not spheres, and I'm pretty sure most of them aren't named but rather given an alphanumeric designation. Though considering people definitely live on them in the future they've probably been named by the time of the late 24th century.

[@mackenziebeeney3764]

@@fluffly3606 good point, if it doesn’t have a name, people will name it. If it has a name, they might change it.

[@PerryWhyte]

Current count of moons in the solar system is now 290, that's a lot of Luna Class ships.

[@lastationproductions]

The design of this ship is awesome

[@evanjohnson1299]

Miranda is to constitution, nebula is to galaxy, the Luna is to sovereign a more utilitarian version of the flagship class

[@deanlawson6880]

Thanks for this review Rick! The Luna, like the Sovereign and Akira classes, are my favorite ship classes! The nacelles pointed downward just seems like a better, more compact and sleeker look, and I'm just partial top that look! Nicely done video!

[@ODST_Parker]

Another of my absolute favorite ships in Star Trek. It's my third favorite canon ship, right behind the Akira and Sovereign. I'm so glad the design has undergone basically no changes since it's original non-canon appearance. The Titan showing up in Lower Decks actually made me really happy, to see all that work had finally resulted in a canon on-screen appearance in an official Star Trek show. Now TWO, considering she was part of that fleet in Picard, alongside my other two favorites.

[@may86bear]

Looks like a cross between the ole reliable Miranda Class and a Nebula Class. 🖖

[@jaysgamingcorner8539]

These starship profiles are awesome videos. Keep up the great work.

[@PolarasDominion]

Your editing efforts are appreciated.

[@darklordofsword]

I love my Luna-class in STO. I run it as a support ship using Tetryon arrays, for the bonus shield drop effect. I don't kill much, but I help drop enemy shields faster.

[@ProvokeMe64]

All of youir ship summaries have been SO well done. Thanks!!

[@danielfiene7770]

I like to think that Starfleet Engineering basically came up with the Luna class design when they took an Akira and filled all of its hangar space with sensors and labs.

[@Hartzilla2007]

They do have a few design similarities.

[@uss_04]

I always see the Luna class from the forward section. Didn’t even realize that there was a significant secondary hull most of the time and only really saw it as a Akira class

[@Wesley_H]

Where some might see an identity crisis, others might see a well rounded individual.

[@almightytitan2354]

I'm glad you mentioned the design contest that spawned the Luna-class. I was working on my own submission (but life got in the way) that was very similar to the winner. A few design tweaks here and there (let's face it, there's only so many ways you can configure 2 hulls and nacelles and call it original) but my design featured dual axis thrust-vectored impulse engines for increased maneuverability, as well as 4 nacelles at first. I dropped the extra 2 because I was worried it wouldn't look good on a 2D book cover, but if I had known it would be featured on screen I would have pushed on! I want a do-over, where's Q when you need him?

[@anothergoogleuser]

Thanks for sharing.

[@MagnanimousEntropy]

Another excellent video. I love your Star Ship breakdowns.

[@kaitlyn__L]

I don’t have much to add, but an excellent overview! I suppose I could say it’s interesting they revived paused designs rather than make new ones, while the latter is more common with the military IRL. But then Starfleet have often thought a bit more long-term.

[@AdamantLightLP]

Technology develops very rapidly in our day and age, there's only so much you can do with decades old designs before you need to rebuild the whole thing.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@AdamantLightLP even a 5 year old design can be too outdated and fail to go beyond prototypes! But most ship design tech does seem more mature in Trek, it’s really sensors and computers that seem to change a lot. Warp coils haven’t changed that much in centuries in Trek, versus rapid jet engine development.

[@AdamantLightLP]

@@kaitlyn__L Exactly, this is doubly true during an actual conflict. Trek tells us about how much more powerful their shields or phasers or warp drives are, but it really takes a long time, and fundamentally the tech is the same.

[@ArtistryBranson]

Another fantastic video. I'll add my name to the ever-growing list of folks asking for more content like this, Rick. I'm really enjoying your ship breakdowns. More, please!

[@jakehanifee8856]

It would seem as though the Luna Class has struck the right balance of all requirements. You talk about all-rounders; well, I think this is the best of them. She seems sturdy as hell.

[@markbigbadbear]

Really digging the side profile of the Luna class. The underslung warp nacelles give it a faster, sleeker look. Like a sports car or a fighter jet.

[@sokagofferenginar8669]

Even before the Dominion Wars there were some ships mainly geared towards science that were still fairly well armed like the Intrepid class the Voyager which was lost in the Delta quadrant before the Dominion Wars even began was pretty well armed

[@davidlewis5312]

Intrepid and Nova class are still post Borg ships that had their developmental life influenced by the Defiant. Ablative armor and quantum weaponry were Dominion refits to deal with the Dominions nonsense and thus not present the Intrepid and the Nova class. Ablative Armor being a direct counter to the polaron weapons that sap shields, and quantum weaponry being a hard counter to thick skinned Dominon cruisers and Cardassian ships.

[@VulpisFoxfire]

Hmm. I might point out that other Starfleet ships could vary gravity and temperature on a room by room basis, though that could possibly mess with power requirements. Also, it be pointed out that all of Fleet we see other than Lower Decks are still all-hominid crews.

[@NimbleTack]

On a side-note, there is a series of books by James White that covers the issue of truly diverse aliens. That's the Sector General series about a deep space hospital. The first book - Hospital Station - was written in the early '60s with the final book, Double Contact, in the late '90s. They're really worth looking for.

[@richmcgee434]

Absolutely. I've mentioned them on this channel's comments many times in the past. Grossly underappreciated author these days. For those unfamiliar with the, they're scifi medical mystery stories, often involving first contact situations arising from the fact that in a large galaxy full of unexplored places, hyperspace distress signals (common to any FTL-capable civilization, the techs are connected) are one of the easiest ways to find new species. Those frequently have injury or illness as a cause for the signal, so "ambulance ships" responding to them need to be ready for strangers, and nothing makes for universal good will better than saving lives in an emergency. It's a really bright, optimistic future worthy of Roddenberry's original vision for Trek.

[@hughsmith7504]

I always thought of the Akira and Luna classes as sister ships. Same basic design cues, but specialized for their specific mission profiles. Would not surprise me if both ships missions pods are actually interchangeable with each other down the road.

[@nobodyyouknow1065]

Never heard of anything that could be described as “luxury life support systems” until now.

[@Momo-tc7sc]

This is the only Eaglemoss model I own currently and it was worth every penny. Love the Luna class!

[@bipolarminddroppings]

Yay, more "Rick, here!" Honestly, its my favourite opener on youtube, short and to the point.

[@dominik8005]

WOW like Luna very much

[@VT-zc9ln]

We did a Star Trek RPG game and used the Luna Class ship, The Europa, as the hero ship[. It's perfect in that role.

[@MattCollisson]

I really wish we'd had a Titan series with Captain Riker!

[@dhotnessmcawesome9747]

It's the Titan!

[@kevinramsey417]

Ahead warp factor 5, 6, 7, 8

[@richmcgee434]

I think you mean "another Enterprise" there. :)

[@dhotnessmcawesome9747]

@@richmcgee434 Well, keep trying Pakled and one day you'll wear a bigger hat... It's definitely the Titan though. Now, please... step away from that self destruct button and just... Oh! Go to the bathroom. That'll help us out greatly.

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

Red alert! A Pakled party, and I wasn't invited?

[@JeffreyRandall]

I really enjoy this class. I even made a story around a new Cardassian Captain who took command or the NCC-80109 Collisto. A sister ship of the Titan.

[@rfarrr2817]

THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON PICARD

[@matthewjay660]

Federation personnel have the right to explore AND make it home alive.

[@DocWolph]

The Luna-Class' overall shape is more tightly compacted allowing for easier shielding, and a "less big" targeting profile. The Luna Class was clearly designed with defense in the primary, not exploration. Although all-out combat may be, in certain variants, a secondary purpose. Starfleet seems a bit more tepid in fielding super large vessels, like the Sovereign and Odyssey classes, for this same reasons. Ships best used for their staying power in battle or command ships for a overtly military purposes*. This coming back to Starfleet not being allowed to be a proper military and the Federation, more for PR reasons, being needlessly adverse to treating the word "military" as anything less than a "swear word". I would not be surprised if the Luna was pushed HARD, by Starfleet, because other similar displacement-sized designs were throwbacks to the spread out, hard to defend hard to maneuver, "tall" ships of the past but would easily pass the Federation's approval boards. Despite citing the need for preparedness throughout the fleet, building ships that can fight effectively and win decisively, which makes having a peaceful stance overall MUCH easier, Starfleet has to "sell" new ship designs with the most PC terminology possible. This however goes to how the writers and producers look at Star Trek as a Whole. You have an advanced, ostensibly post-scarcity, spacefaring civilization and nation and you can not have a dedicated Science Corps with its own fleet? This foisting onto Starfleet more responsibilities and capabilities than any proper defensive military force should have and can use. Defense of Federation territory and her interests, maritime enforcement, search and rescue, projection of power needed for diplomacy, security, and stability of the union. Frankly, I am more than a little peeved the UNITED Federation of Planets has not fractured or lost members permanently because they feel Starfleet can NOT protect them and is often too far away to try even if they could. Stop demanding member worlds not have their own fleets is Starfleet is very frequently going to be out of position to properly defend them. *I see Starfleet using ships such as the Galaxy, Nebula, Sovereign, and Odyssey classes as command ships to coordinate large task forces for defensive, maritime enforcement and combat purpose. However, in peacetime, these -fleet- formations (I have been calling them "Sentinel" Formations in my head canon), can coordinate larger exploration and investigatory taskforces, especially in more dangerous and difficult regions. If one exploratory "Feeler" ship gets into trouble it is not days, months, or years away from the nearest assistance.

[@Groza_Dallocort]

Isent that the deal with a small 10 ship fleet exploring the delta quadrant granted two of the ships are like moving industri plants

[@highlorddarkstar]

Starfleet suffers from a fan misperception that it is an analog of the WWII US Navy, the better analogs are the US Coast Guard and the predreadnaught/Age of Sail British Navy. Both examples have armed ships that also do research. Battleships/First Rate ships are rare (nonexistent in USCG case) but frigates/corvettes are everywhere, representing Federation interests and showing the flag.

[@apotheases]

So much diversity and representation!

[@scottrotondo9519]

Just wanted to say your content is awesome!

[@crashmatrix]

"putting it alongside the sovereign" 3:30, I think the fairer comparison is with the Intrepid class, since their warpfactors match exactly. 9.995 is quite a bit faster, going by the TNG scale definition on memory alpha.

[@Hospitaller-hospitaliser]

I typically really dislike downward swept nacelles on Starfleet ships, but I do quite like the Luna regardless.

[@ditzydoo4378]

Looking at the Luna's slim narrow design. It looks to be near tailor made for Slip-Stream Drive.

[@JesseMcCullough]

I like that the design choices of Star Fleet are realistic. Yes, it's not a traditional military like the Romulans or the Klingons. Fighting is secondary to its main mission of exploration, discovery and diplomacy. At the same time, they're not going to design a ship for peace when they need to defend themselves, and you can see that in the wake of Wolf-359. It's why they made the Defiant. It's why they made the Sovereign class a warship first. Then as the Dominion were no longer a threat, and relations with the Romulans were normalized, Star Fleet tried to get back to its main mission, but the Gamma Quadrant was still hostile territory. The Luna class needed to be that weird hybrid of warship/explorer because of the situation. Totally practical.

[@stevehagen9804]

Starfleet: Despite how it looks, the Luna Class is a science vessel Romulans: what’s with all the guns and shields? Starfleet: Today we’re going to learn how many torpedos we can shoot up your tailpipe!

[@violetlight1548]

I hope Lower Decks will feature more of the Titan's non-human crew at some point. It looks like Tuvok is unfortunately not serving on the Titan in canon. However, I do hope that Counselor Sen’kara and Dr. Ree might make an appearance at some point.

[@forestwells5820]

I still sit in the camp that exploratory ships should be well armed. Perhaps not battleship level, but they need enough shields and weapons to successfully defend themselves against hostile races they come across. Otherwise there is a much greater chance they won't make it home at all.

[@logicplague]

"I remember having an argument with Captain Jeffreys once, he was one of the designers of the NX-class. I told him I didn't want to be in command of Starfleet's first warship...I was wrong. We needed those weapons, and a hell of a lot more." - Capt. Jonathan Archer

[@AdamantLightLP]

It's super funny how starfleet always gets surprised when their dinky fleet of exploration ships gets annihilated by raves that actually have real military forces. Like, we get that the UFP is full of pacifists, but I don't think the romulans or the klingons or the dominion cared.

[@zintosion]

tough little sciencey ship

[@alderwolf7687]

When entering the unknown, you always take as big and powerful of a weapon as you can with you. Dead fools are the ones who didn't because it violated their ethics.

[@Peaceforall20111]

I like how u did this review. Very informative…. A+ from me

[@goransekulic3671]

Seems like an interesting ship. Thanks for pointing out to me.

[@ElbyStarfire]

The Odyssey class from STO is my favorite.

[@Chris-rp9df]

The difference between the NCC1701 and every other ship seen afterwards is the original Enterprise looked like a tall ship on screen. It might just have been the filming angles but it seems every other ship since as looked hunkered down.

[@ilpoomatili9549]

What beter ship for Riker than an ass kicking, sciense focused, piece of art

[@TheSanien]

35.000 light years is over half way the distance Voyager had to travel 😳 At that time Star Fleet could easily have picked up Voyager - imagine that 🤔

[@-spook-2992]

The Luna class was my go-to science ship in STO...it seems it has not received a facelift yet?

[@Marconius6]

One thing that bothers me about the whole "tubes filled with water" thing: aquatic species presumably still breathe air, like dolphins; there's not enough oxygen dissolved in water to allow for advanced brains like a sapient species would require. So... how do these aquatic crew members actually breathe? I imagine they can hold their breath for quite a bit longer than the others, but still, just being stuck in pipes with no air around seems like it'd get unnerving.

[@momokochama1844]

As far as I know the Titan novels there is only one aquatic crew member: Aili Lavena from the planet Pacifica. Her species (Selkie) changes after around 35 years of lifetime from amphibian to fully aquatic. Aili is in her aquatic phase, wich means she has gills and needs a special suit to survive in a standart class M athmosphere. Her quarters are more or less a big aquarium with speacial airlocks to hold said water inside her rooms.

[@vic5015]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Octopuses are very fish-like but are considered to be extremely intelligent, possibly on par with a parrot or dolphin. As for adaptability for different environments goes, beta Canon indicates that the Galaxy class had the ability to modify individual crew quarters to accommodate a wide variety of environments. Something completely in line with Starfleet's ideals. You never know when you'll encounter a non-humanoid species whose home planet is *very* different from Earth.

[@MikePhantom]

pretty sure the tech in trek has come far enough to reliably pump oxygen into the water to keep aquatic lifeforms alive. not to mention the Traversal applications when being boarded. grab a oxygen pack and swim trough those corridors and ambush intruders.

[@jamegumb7298]

@@vic5015 Cephalopods also have copper based (blue) blood to better extract and transport what little oxygen there is (okay techncially purely numbers iron is better but look up the very long form one about why it is better under pressures and overall efficiency etc) instead of iron based (red) blood. Any species that is fully aquatic and smart has something better for oxygen transport (or something not oxygen) to function than just hemoglobine.

[@johnfitzgeraldii1952]

The Luna Class, as well as the Intrepid Class, are the successful replacements for the Miranda Class.

[@andrewjohnson6716]

Not just factors of life support, but that all of the furnishings and accessories need to be designed to endure those life support settings. One can't use leather in an aquatic environment nor wood in a chlorine-heavy one.

[@drewf41]

These tunnels, could they be filled with dirt for Horta?

[@richmcgee434]

Horta don't really live in dirt, which wouldn't naturally occur on their homeworld and is full of organic components that wouldn't be compatible with their own biology (although it probably wouldn't be harmful either, they're pretty tough and their acids would break down most carbon-based organic compounds with ease). They tunnel through stone normally, extracting minerals from it in the process. You could probably make some kind of artificial mix that would suit its metabolic need, but it wouldn't be much like anything we'd call dirt. Maybe more like sand, or something like a silicon-based insulation foam might be easier for life support engineers to work with. Easier to just use the replicators to make edible slabs of nutritious minerals for them, assuming they can survive long term without needing to tunnel. Not sure about that. They can obviously survive in open, human breathable air for a while, but they might have a physiological need for more pressure or to expel acids (likely carrying away waste substances in the process) or they might have a psychological need to be more enclosed at least part of the time. Might be something about it in a novel somewhere, and it might be something a good holodeck could deal with.

IMHO the Luna combines the best design elements of the Miranda and the Akira classes. Looks sleek af. Had quite a few hours of fun with it in Star Trek Online. Gone with the name USS Ganymede to follow the naming convention.

[@IAmTheAce5]

I think I remember my Luna from STO- E’Montgomery. When I was playing as a science officer on Federation science vessels, I was naming them after actresses who played witches on film

[@berniebaer9199]

first off: cool video. please do make more of these on the various ship classes. second: sorry to be so nitpicky, but I'm genuinely interested to know: where do you get your info from that the Luna-class was eventually upgraded with type 13 phasers? I've only ever heard of type 12s on the Sovvy and contemporary classes. is there a canon or licensed source for the type 13? thanks :)

[@karlsmith2570]

The Luna Class looks like a a combination of the USS Reliant and the Intrepid Class

[@thestanleys3657]

"it's another enterprise"- pakled officer

[@That80sGuy1972]

This seems to be the modern equivalent of what the Constitution class was in TOS, the top "everything" ship that only needs its chief engineer/refitters to make it borderline magical.

[@alexmacdonald1998]

Awesome video sir. I have a question though... If the Luna can go 2 years between resupply and 4 years between refits, how can it be dispatched on missions 30000 light years from the core of the federation???? I'm assuming, of course, that we aren't discussing gamma quadrant missions utilizing the wormhole. If it would have taken Voyager 70 years to traverse 70000 light years, it follows that it would take 30 years to go 30000 light years. In addition to being a drastically long deployment (I mean maybe Vulcan would be down for such a trip), that's a whopping 15 resupply turnovers, most of which would be theoretically occurring in non federation space, by definition the unknown and potentially hostile. I'm going out on a limb and assuming resupply means antimatter fuel and dilitium and replicator parts and shit. Or am I not getting something here?

[@blackwidowrsa]

don't think about it

[@alexmacdonald1998]

@@blackwidowrsa It's a curse, it really is. I'm a huge 40k fan too, so you can imagine how that goes.

[@DatAlien]

The Enterprise visited both the edge and the center of the galaxy, so basically two points 50000 light years apart.

[@UnChannelDuVulpineX]

It was designed to go through the Bajoran wormhole.

[@alexmacdonald1998]

@@UnChannelDuVulpineX that's a lot more than 30000 light years though. The claim was missions up to 30000 light years. I'm not going to claim to be familiar with the exact distance and size, but my understanding is that there is no point 30000 light years away from the federation that a ship could go to with out crossing into hostile or unknown territory, making refit and resupply impractical or impossible.

[@WyrmLimion]

Surprised Starfleet didn't just mass produce more of the Interpid class due to how well Voyager did.

[@NemFX]

The Borg were intimately familiar with the Intrepid class, so they wanted to grind out a bunch of random ships, to at least slow the Borg ships. The Borg would be able to learn really fast, as always, but an extra minute or two in a firefight can make a huge difference. "That looks like a Galaxy, firing weapons, oh its shields are still holding, okay try again but with an extra 10% energy." In that time, the ship has fired off a few torpedoes.

[@The_Viscount]

I love the idea that the Xindi join the Fed. Especially if they're early adopters.

[@shadowqueen1701]

In the books the CMO is a Dinosaur.

[@alexandercross9081]

To quote a friend of mine, "Exporers go out to see strange new sights and meet strange new people, but they'd be fools not to take a shot gun with them, in case of bears." I am pretty sure a shot gun will piss off a bear more than it would fend them off, but his point stands.

[@davidponseigo8811]

200th comment, I can't get enough of starships.

[@CallmeKenneth-tb1zb]

What are you on about? The Luna class was canonised in _Nemesis_ when Riker is promoted and takes command of the Titan. I double checked Memory Alpha to make sure I wasn't hallucinating this.

[@90lancaster]

When a Nebula Class and an Akira Class love each other very much.........

[@DavidRLentz]

The USS Titan is a Starfleet Luna- class starship, then. The narrator, naming himself Rick, at 3:30 states that its cruising speed is Warp Factor 8, faster than the Galaxy- class. The latter cruise at Warp Factor 8, too. Its length is 450 metres. Compare with the Akira-class at 464.43 metres. What is the difference between these two vessels? They seem mutually redundant.

[@themobileprepper5730]

Gee. I wish could play this game.

[@yishumate]

Post-Borg/Dominion War design philosophy: "Stay strapped or get clapped"

[@martinthomas1293]

Ok while the Prometheus and the defiant (ds9 version) are my favorite ships in trek cannon this one would take a close third

[@noxsoftpaw5511]

Wasn't the xindi aquatics fairly large?

[@jmbsoutho]

Be Prepared... it's the Star Scouts motto!

[@birdmonster4586]

While i do Like the Luna it always struck me as a weird ship. It was specially designed for the Gamma Quadrant. Why? It's not like any other ship, like Intrepid or Galaxy would do worse because it's the Gamma Quadrant. It's not like it's a special area of space like the Expanse. Also, why do we need a new ship when the brand new Intrepid and Akira exist around this weight class? It is however still a cool ship despite some wonky Lore. Good Video Rick, Keep it up.

[@QuantaSolace]

Beautiful ship. Although, I find it odd how the Titan-A isn’t a Lunar or Titan class.

[@Lukos0036]

Seems like the Intrepid has it on speed and endurance. Which aside from it's armaments makes the Luna a bit redundant.

[@casbot71]

There's beta canon that post Dominion War, there were a lot less Humans in Starfleet as a lot of the casualties in the War were Human (as they had made up the bulk of Starfleet), and so the recruiting pool of other species were tapped post War - most of the eligible Humans were either dead or hardened combat veterans (as large numbers of Humans also joined up during the War … because, well Humans), so it was time to look for eligible recruits elsewhere. So much for that Original Series species that was a Clone race that could produce a billion soldiers!? BTW I have my own headcanon that Humans subconsciously make sure that they have a few non Humans onboard any Human ship, just to keep themselves acting at their best ethically - look what happens when it's a all Human ship (the Equinox … perhaps all the Alien crew died?), subtle group signals allow a Human only crew to sink to its lowest common denominator. We only behave at our best in front of witnesses! _[And that's why it's a good idea to have at least one Vulcan onboard a mostly Human ship … … could you imagine being the one Human onboard a Vulcan ship???]_ There's also the added actual benifit that something that affects the crew might not impair a member of a different species. And that a different viewpoint may come up with a deuce ex machina solution to a problem (ie pull a trick out of their ass, cause they have a left field idea) - and that's also why Starfleet keeps out thinking opponents.

[@KenshiImmortalWolf]

I am surprised you didn't also bring in the events of voyager into the explanation for the Luna class being heavily armored. Not that voyager brought the equipment but that a ship mostly designed for short range operations got stranded and spent 7 years far from starfleet support. After all if the galaxy is dangerous then you still saw the efforts to keep their ships up to par with the galaxy class being well armed and equipped by it's era's standards while it did diplomatic and scientific missions. No the Luna's extreme cutting edge combat equipment including the armored hull suggests that they didn't want any ship caught out like Voyager was.

[@graygardain]

I wonder if the tubes were inspired by the SeaQuest

[@markdavidson1049]

I wish they made it look like an updated Nebula class with the warp nacelles further forward and underneath/protected by the saucer section. Now it looks like every other Starfleet starship out there with the nacelles far back held on by two spars that are either above or below the saucer section :/