CHAD DAYBELL'S SISTER-IN-LAW HEATHER DAYBELL BREAKS HER SILENCE PART 1

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[@sixthsenseamelia4695]

🙋🏻‍♀️ Hi. The music background intro makes it quite difficult to concentrate on & hear what was being said.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

@@sixthsenseamelia4695 sorry about that. Don’t worry too much though, because the video is 2 hours long and any background music l should be less than 2 minutes total, there is a transcription as well as closed captions. I realize background noise can be hard for some,

[@sixthsenseamelia4695]

@@HiddenTrueCrime Thank you. Yes, thankfully the background sound track was short and could hear the rest of the interview. Just wanted to let you know was all. 💖

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

@@sixthsenseamelia4695 we appreciate you sharing 💕

[@joycemcswain5279]

@@sixthsenseamelia4695 they stopped the music thank God

[@kayvallowwoodcock5079]

Hi everyone. Larry & I are both watching.

[@gregandblakeharris6691]

Love to you both!🫶🏼

[@1970karenleah]

🙏🙏💙

[@hoosiernee1993]

Nothing but love to you sweet and loving souls Kay 😘

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

We love you both! What incredible guests we've now had at our dinner table. Larry and Kay, and now Heather Daybell.

[@emilyflotilla931]

💜💙💜💙

[@LRHook01]

Who’s here in 2024 listening again to Heather’s interviews during Chad’s trial?

[@MrGrumpyGills]

Is that a like-bait?

[@NotThisShipSister1]

Just came across this for the first time actually- but to me the Mormons are a bit sus… the higher ups anyways.

[@donnaparrish7638]

First time to hear this and just had day 13 Chad’s trial. I’m a therapist.

[@KathleenMcGettigan]

I am 👍!

[@RRP714]

I am!

[@Never-mind1960]

"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

[@ColleenMarie111]

Kind of like Hitler???

[@patriciasisson84]

And cults of every kind.

[@NotThisShipSister1]

What an appropriate for today kind of comment

[@TrulyGuest]

False prophets are everywhere people and as Christian’s i believe it’s our duty to speak up when we see someone who acts in this way or our friends who begin to follow those who have false prophecies. If you truly know God YOU KNOW TRUTH Look at Chad and what he had people believing 🤓🥸🥺😶‍🌫️😱🫣🫥🤫🫨 Seriously 😳 DUH 🤬

[@Gurl-5150]

So very creepy because it's so very true.

[@Karen_notkarening]

I grew up with Chad. We lived in the same ward in Springville. I have to say that his parents are the greatest people in the world. My mom was a non Mormon single mom and his dad was our home teacher. He did so many great things to help my mom. I hope that people will never think they did anything to deserve any of this. I will say that I always felt that Chad was always a bit off. Nobody in the Daybell family deserves any of this... Chad made his own bed and now has to live with it.

[@Pamsmith59]

AMEN AMEN AMEN

[@etodd568]

Question please.....When Chad was a kid was he the last picked for neighborhood kids playing outdoor sports? I could see him being the last kid picked for playing sports....

[@stacitowery4461]

They would never allow that now, but the elder Daybells sound like wonderful parents (with the exception of Chad).

[@rationalskeptic1]

@@stacitowery4461never allow what? Helping a single mother?

[@Gurl-5150]

I feel sorry for his family.

[@Author_I]

This woman had so much intuition and emotional intelligence to protect her family from his dangerous teachings.

[@PuddilyOops]

This lady *Knew* that Chad wasn’t right. Her reaction to Chad and his family moving to their town was so strong. Most people who had a brother in law that they didn’t really like moving near would’ve sucked it up and made the effort or at least just seen them at holidays. She just knew this guy was bringing dark energy.

[@JaimeMesChiens]

Heather is a highly-educated, experienced professional, as is Matthew. All the siblings of this family are well educated, except Chad. He is the family loser. He is a loser, pretty universally.

[@terintiaflavius3349]

I was abused horribly for 15 years. I was quiet, withdrawn and not friendly. My abuser was loved by everyone. People would tell me how helpful and great my abuser was. This I feel is common.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

I’m so sorry that happened to you. Thank you for sharing this experience to explain what Tammy might have been going through.

[@rachelsmith2524]

I think abusers can be gifted at controlling the narrative and putting on false masks to fool others. I’m sorry for your suffering and that those around you were fooled by your abuser.

[@sacredsoul2254]

i was also abused as well as my son and called a peasant girl within an italian family. my own family at the time questioned my decision to leave 1 mentioning money the other thought he was so nice because he was a business owner and would offer free tickets and food delivery. They also manipulated me and took my 1yr old daughter from me i had to go to court didnt have money for lawyer had legal aid so until court had to not talk to them or see my daughter a judge told me i dont deserve my children and i lost custody of her. Controlled all my visitations and what i could and could not do with her. most people in family dont know the full extent of the situation fast forward 27yrs the relationship with her siblings are great i do my best but he was jealous of the bond i had with my daughter and did his best to destroy it i wish i could tell her the truth but i would never unless she asked. we do have a relationship but it is strained by the elephant in the room 💔💞

[@merricat3025]

This is not the same but it reminded me of it from your comment. I knew of somebody that was friendly and a good talker. I had to go to his house ( he wasnt always there)and I would meet his girlfriend. She was always cold and unfriendly. One day she actually talked to me and I got a whole new side of him. He was a liar

[@allysonh6410]

So so so true!

[@justkiddin84]

I think that Matt and Chud found beautiful ladies. Matt appreciates his wife, however, sees her beauty and strength. But Chud resented Tammy’s strengths because he is a weak character. Seeing Tammy have the steady job, care for her children, and their home while he sat around thinking he deserved ‘better’ and that he was once God on Earth. Justice for all of the victims of these horrible people.❤❤✌️

[@justkiddin84]

@@letsgetlit2829 yeah, right!

[@eflyz4880]

Perfectly said

[@stacitowery4461]

Chud 🤣🤣🤣

[@JaimeMesChiens]

Heather is stunning! You can see that people would stop and watch as she walks by. Tammy, I think, had a delicate, natural beauty. All the women in her family, even Aunt Vicki, who must be in her fifties, has that gorgeous skin. Even Emma, much as I can’t stand her, has that same luminous skin like her amazing momma. The world misses Tammy. ❤

[@palmtrees1697]

So happy to hear Heather say Chad's near death experiences were fiction! I have never believed these stories from day one.

[@ruthwindsor3549]

This is a most important interview. Chad is a charlatan, a murderer, and a LIAR!

[@taraerskine3954]

I go by the ethic of "believe nothing of what I hear & only half of what I see".

[@stephanied6451]

@@taraerskine3954Yes! And exactly why I'm not religious.

[@SweetUniverse]

@@stephanied6451 same 👍👍

[@SweetUniverse]

They're not near death experiences - Chad didn't die

[@likemeordont5951]

Just found this, and it's about a week after Lori's been convicted. At this time, Chad's trial will be next year. I find Heather to be very credible, and I applaud her for speaking up and letting us get to know who she is and how this has affected her and her family.

[@Gurl-5150]

I find her to be delightful and a great thinker. She broke loose from that horrid cult by sheer will and logical thought.

[@Gioli565]

Heather is clearly so intelligent and insightful and no wonder Chad was always scared of her! 😅 LOVE her interview series! ❤

[@PagingDrMakeUp]

Most men secretly HATE women because when they realize their power, they make it known.

[@amysmiles9751]

Good point. It sounds like she was the OG Dark.

[@Patsanford220]

I have a feeling Chad was both attracted to and intimidated by Heather’s looks and intellect. That’s why he told his bro not to marry her; he was jelly. He wouldn’t let Tammy talk to Heather alone. Why? Because Heather might tell her she doesn’t need to be chads life slave and her kids should have more respect for her (I’m speculating) ? Also of note, it’s nice to see Heather wearing a sleeveless top. I’ve never seen Mormon shoulders! ❤❤ ETA - remember how Chad said his ideal “hot babe” would be thin and blonde with boobs and a tan? Heather has all those attributes. He was jealous of his brother Matt!

[@reneenordeen9447]

She really does have sharp instincts and is ethical and respectful.

[@Frenchblue8]

​@@Patsanford220you said Tammy in your edit I think you mean Heather?

[@therenadelarosa5927]

Please tell this woman how amazing and strong she is. You are everything that this world needs. Thank you for trying. Every step of the way, thank you for trying.

[@Gurl-5150]

Great comment.

[@jaynebroadley1372]

Thanks to Heather for speaking her truth!

[@thatkajunguy8029]

I have a question, what is her/his/my/your truth and is it the same as the truth ????? There can only be one truth, no matter who says it.....

[@dukecity7688]

This is very powerful. The fact that she chose you over every mainstream media is a gigantic endorsement for your site. I am impressed and I wrote this only a few minutes into it

[@jac5450]

Every family needs a Heather

[@onemanstrash8233]

Most families have one… they are the Scapegoats!

[@s.m.8691]

Team Heather for sure!

[@BattleCreekSquirrelSquad]

She's amazing!

[@Gurl-5150]

Hallelujah @

[@bakingnana9740]

She’s amazing

[@RRP714]

Chad turns my stomach too. Everytime I see him in court with that stupid look on his face.

[@hopeful6157]

💯💯💯💯💯

[@motherbear327]

I never thought of Bart Simpson as a prophet.

[@maryjobarrios6238]

@@motherbear327I think of Peter Griffin

[@southbug27]

You can just feel the sliminess eminating out of every pore on his body.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

He can't help it that's his white and delightsome countenance.....

[@RogueWave2030]

It seems Heather was the only "prophet" in the bunch with her intuitions & feelings of foreboding. Excellent interview-you let her speak and only paused for clarification or to explain things we might not know. She's open & honest and a compelling speaker.

[@Gurl-5150]

​@@belindavandyk6128 I think you missed the point.

[@janetcampbell9286]

Yes, she was not only prophetic but truthful & 100% right on in judging Chad & Loris' characters. She challenged 2 of her local LDS bishops & two state LDS leaders why they chose to believe Chad over her when Chad spread rumors that Heather was lying about him. Heather challenged the LDS leaders that they were supposed to have descernment by the mere positions of being leaders in the LDS church. Obviously that teaching has been proven wrong! Chad was lying, & Heather was a leader of LDS women in several wards. Chad had no position of any type in the LDS temple or their ward.

[@RogueWave2030]

@@janetcampbell9286 Exactly. I guess he had the right "equipment" to satisfy the leaders.

[@TheeAmazonRunna]

Oh wow, you guys are just the best. Also, Heather radiates queenly energy, Chad was probably intimidated as hell by her.

[@redrose41000]

@Ava Wheeler - I agree! I bet he didn’t like her because she intimidated him and with his ego, he wasn’t about to acknowledge it!

[@SM-xf5dg]

@ava wheeler @rosie rose I agree. Great content. Heather a real light in the BS

[@Tracylyn42]

For sure. I agree with you. She is not one to fall for his crap and he wouldn’t like that. She is pretty amazing to speak out.

[@sweetsuzanna]

I'm not sure it was intimidation so much as that Heather saw/sees through all of Chub's lies and BS. Plus she is intelligent, beautiful and so well spoken. Maybe there was jealousy?

[@redrose41000]

@@sweetsuzanna - That’s what I mean by him being intimidated by her. His own insecurities allowed him to be intimidated by the strong, direct woman she is.

[@kayvallowwoodcock5079]

I’m excited to hear Heather. She’s courageous & I admire her immensely!!

[@Blw855]

Now you know how we all feel about you❤️

[@gleefulme9617]

Yes, Kay is a wonderful lady.

[@kayvallowwoodcock5079]

Awww. Thank y’all. 😘😘

[@thisidahomomreports]

Gal Dang!!! SUPER COURAGEOUS on Heather's part for certain! Omgosh... of course Chad's goon squad was probably targeting her. Hopefully, Chad's Cult members have seen the way. I admire Heather for many reasons- BUT to stand up to Chud when even the entire Rexburg community couldn't even see what he was really up to??? Omgoodness. Talk about standing up to serious social pressure must have been intimidating and then some!

[@mamagrace3416]

I continue to pray for you, Larry and your family.

[@MaggieMaeMatt]

I give Heather a 10 LIGHT!!! I watched this a year ago and just rewatched it. Heather’s insights and intuition is a gift. I’m so happy to revisit this.

[@piapedersen]

I love that you mostly just let her speak.

[@mothersgauri4137]

For anyone familiar with Narcissistic behavior, everything described here regarding what Chad did is absolutely CLASSIC !! Poor Heather ! Yikes.

[@millisagable3018]

Was thinking the same thing

[@carolinagirl6736]

So interesting that Heather’s intuition told her something wasn’t right with Tammy’s death.

[@pinkpugginz]

Anytime a healthy fifty-year-old passes away it's cause for concern

[@lynette599]

But she did nothing about it. She COULD have gone to the police and said something is very suspicious, but she didn't.

[@janetcampbell9286]

@@lynette599, When you don't have anything seriously to be suspicious about it the police aren't going to take it seriously. There's nothing for the police to investigate. It was after Chad got married & they -he & Lori went to Hawaii, she then said to her husband & Heather challenged Chad directly on the phone that something was wrong with Tammy's death. Chad marrying Lori so shortly after Tammy's death is a red flag!

[@purpleamber1]

@@lynette599 Charles Vallow went to the police and he was still killed. Police don't always listen to "suspicions". You wanna blame someone, blame the police that didn't listen to Charles and investigate after hits death, blame Alex, Lori, and Chad.

[@b.valentine5283]

​@@lynette599But what do you say? The police aren't going to do anything with "I have this feeling in my gut".

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

Moral of the story: always listen to a strong, intuitive woman. Woman's intuition is a hell of a gift, usually ignored by men, for many reasons. Very revealing interview. Thank you.

[@StonedBarbiee]

I think trust your intuition regardless of your sex.

[@janetcampbell9286]

My husband is a very intuitive man. It depends on the individual! I've met some clueless women that were very childlike & gullible! They literally were naive about most everything. So I say that intuition is not dependant on the gender of the person.

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

@@janetcampbell9286 Actually it is dependant on gender and it's scientifically proven. I said "strong and intuitive woman" which excludes gullible and silly women. Studies have found that a woman's intuition goes deeper than cultural gender expectations. On a biological level, women have increased brain activity as well as greater blood flow in areas of the brain that control memory and emotion, which could explain why women exhibit intuition more than men. Let's not make something that is supported by science and everyday experience into a gender thing.

[@JaneDoe-ci3gj]

I say listen to both women and men who tries to sound the alarm! There are good women and good men with good intuition! Sadly people with good intuition, who are trying to sound the alarm are often dismissed!

[@maggieclendenin6740]

I never ignore mine. NEVER!!

[@gtaylor6937]

Now after hearing testimony from several of the weak-minded followers of Chad and Lori, Heather Daybell stands out even more in my mind as a credible, strong, brave human being who was balanced enough within herself to stand for what she knew to be true - that Chad is a freak. This lady is way too savvy to be pulled into his creepy orbit. I just wish more people had this kind of balance, intelligence, and courage.

[@Tawadeb]

Listen to Debbie, Alex Cox first wife

[@Gurl-5150]

Absolutely!!

[@amyblystone5149]

You have to be completely comfortable not being liked to be this real 🙏

[@snahg2356]

I appreciate the fact that she is stating she is not speaking for the Daybell family. These opinions are her own, these experiences are her own and she doesn't want to be painted with the lies that have been attributed to this family.

[@niccolea2086]

She more importantly doesn’t want to cause more problems and further divide. I believe Tammy’s kids believe their father, which shows how their minds were conditioned by religion and their parents. Matt has siblings, parents and nieces & nephews to consider. I’d prefer they spill the tea on them, but it’s not my family.

[@TheSassleburger]

This is fascinating. She’s extremely well spoken and good at recounting events in a relatable and objective way. Very impressive lady. Oh, and she’s funny. I like her little snark. 😆

[@thisidahomomreports]

Agree! I love the subtle snarkiness as well. I feel like if I knew Heather ( AND Lauren) personall I would be hanging out with both of them!

[@hoolydooly5799]

Yes, Highly credible, tells it as it is, not embellishing but keen to be clear, and she was.

[@IrishHoopers]

She has such a head of common sense and cop on. She must have felt like the person seeing the Emporer's no clothes. Very bizarre experience I would say

[@lamesafilipinofoodclub6202]

I love her sense of humour so far

[@Nadia-rf8kp]

agree

[@1970karenleah]

Out of all the interviews surrounded the Daybell/ Vallow story this was the best. Amazing

[@ValeskaTruax]

Agree

[@allysonh6410]

The 1 with Lori's nephew is really good too

[@anneamus]

Whenever an organization or individual tries to separate you from differing opinions, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE.

[@chimi1924]

CULT!!!

[@rosalindr4975]

Every abuser does that! It’s in their playbook. And accusing others of whatever they are doing.

[@jessismith]

This is heartbreaking! She did everything she could to raise the alarm bells, but no one believed her. Not only that, they made her the villain. If someone just listened, those kids may have been saved. 😢

[@TSD438]

It's so obvious that all of them didn't like each other way before this even happened.

[@thegroovyhead]

Same with poor Charles. He tried…he gave so much. Sigh.

[@heathercoon3451]

I think I've watched Heather's interviews like 6 or 7 times now. Very insightful. She does so well giving us some great insight.

[@IzzyMariel]

I love that we are getting a full in-depth interview, not just sound bites like in MSM shows about this case. Great work

[@thisidahomomreports]

YES!!! I wholeheartedly agree. Love Dr. John and Lauren's format!

[@sacredcoaching7332]

I absolutely agree! Lauren and Dr John are THE BEST out there. So in depth. I mean a classy journalist and an honest objective forensic psychologist! What a team! Now my 2 ish hour binge watch before I fall asleep. I LOVE YOU LAUREN AND DR JOHN! You are the only 2 out there that I trust. And even though it’s only 5$ a month, only Patreon I’ve ever subscribed to! 😊 💜💜 Now here I go lol

[@hoolydooly5799]

Yes, the extended time allows for earnest delivery, and interviewee, Heather, not rushed.

[@InversifyA]

Thats quality

[@nicoleabate2162]

P​@@sacredcoaching7332

[@jeanvanasperen8974]

Biggest hugs to Heather. As an LDS woman watching on from Australia 🇦🇺. I can honestly say, this situation has caused us to have, if not a crisis of faith, it has caused me to pause and reflect on my faith.

[@purpleslurple5149]

Jean, thank you. I think one of the most important insights from this case is that everyone needs to give serious, genuine consideration to their beliefs. If they cannot withstand sunshine, they need to go.

[@IrishHoopers]

Everyone should try to keep an eye on their morals and beliefs and change were needed, otherwise you'll stop growing

[@rachelsmith2524]

Chad’s choices had very little to do with LDS beliefs, especially once he started making up his own belief system. I think he made choices that led him down a dark path that became even more evil. He knew exactly what he was doing. I think Lori is a narcissist, but i think she truly believed what Chad sold to her. Many people will be tricked by Satan and fall away from Christ, this will only increase until the second coming.

[@tamaraelsberry6630]

Cling to Jesus Christ and Holy spirit. To me this is a clear case of pride coming before the fall. Chad obviously wanted desperately to be someone important, to have followers so badly that he was easy pickings for being deceived. Lucifer, the roaring lion who seeks to destroy, used Chads pride by whispering to him that he was a great leader with a great mission. By telling him there were dark spirits in people and they needed to be destroyed. All the things he started believing are clearly not scriptural in any way. Chad was already adept at manipulation and lies, it wasn't a huge leap to start deceiving people with his "prophetic gifts". Enter Lor Vallow, who desperately wants to be a spiritual giant herself, and you have the perfect storm. I believe Chads lust for Lori is what got Tammy killed. Just remember one of Jesus most important teachings from the New Testament... "by their fruits ye shall know them" (found in Matthew) What are Chad and Loris fruits? Death and destruction. Don't let the "roaring lion" destroy your faith over this. He's looking for any crack in your faith and he will exploit it to the fullest. Now let's apply the "fruits" yardstick to the Church. What are its fruits? A family centered, law abiding, service oriented, hard working, clean living, morality striving people. With a vast welfare system that helps the poor, and those that suffer calamities, all over the world. Of course we all have faults, no one is perfect. But it's essential to have discernment in all things. Cultivate Holy spirit as your guide. Intuition, gut feelings, it's all the same. Learn to trust it above all else.

[@CalamityJane831]

Good because the mormon cult is nuts... get out

[@paulaoppedisano6460]

It explains Chads kids lack luster advocacy for their mother and total denial about his fathers envolment in her murder and two kids buried in their backyard.

[@iffyangel3380]

His kids are as bat 💩 crazy as he is! I hope one day their conscience torments them forever for the disrespect and lack of concern for their very own mother!!!

[@debrajohnson1140]

Wow, that was very observational, I was wondering about this myself. But it took your comment for it to make sense.

[@lamesafilipinofoodclub6202]

I was interested and my ears perked up when Heather shared that Chad had said Seth would play a huge role in the end times etc but had not said that about Garth..the fact that he called out to Garth the night of Tammy’s death essentially potentially implicated this one son..I can’t stop turning this over in my head.

[@iffyangel3380]

@@lamesafilipinofoodclub6202 Exactly!!! He cares for those kids like he cared for Tammy!!!

[@Nadia-rf8kp]

well said

[@trishaprimeaux7981]

I love this interview and watch it way too much. I think the reason is, it truly is like sitting at the kitchen table. As a kid, I couldn't wait to be able to sit at the table with the adults. I am no longer apart of my family so this has been a comfort for me. I appreciate all of y'all and thank you.

[@MrsJackson-tc6io]

Watching for the 3rd time as Chads trial starts jury selection. So insightful and informative. I really admire and appreciate Heather’s insight.

[@HumanimalChannel]

Heather sounds honest, reflective, trying to makes sense of a nonsensical, difficult sitiation.

[@barbaraschwartz9215]

Oh man. Talk about a woman who stands in her strength. I appreciate so much the color and depth this interview provides to all of us who are heartbroken, angry and baffled by how this all unfolded.

[@cail171]

​@taramcgavan7654 what could she had possibly done????? Should delete your comment.

[@shareeyorgesen439]

I’ve been waiting all day here in Indiana. It’s finally time for the truth! Thanks for being so brave Heather. Thanks Lauren and Dr. John.

[@nishamack586]

Hi from Indiana. How are you guys holding up with the recent arrest of Richard allen, for abby and libby?

[@shareeyorgesen439]

@@nishamack586 Richard’s arrest is a daily topic of discussion. People here care and people want justice for the girls. How long have you followed the case?

[@lottieeliza6699]

@@shareeyorgesen439 sorry I’m tagging off this post - do the local think they have the right person ? My love is with your community x

[@nishamack586]

@@shareeyorgesen439 of course. They deserve it. I have only been aware about the case for 2 and a half years, but it's been a long bumpy ride!

[@nishamack586]

@@shareeyorgesen439 I'm in neighboring Michigan so some people here have been spooked about who it was. We have alot of trails here as well. With heavy Rual areas.

[@Heatherracho]

Isn't it intriguing and funny every time a Mormon really looks in to their religion they end up realizing it's bullshit . 😂

[@karenmariecraig5619]

They all need to start looking into it. Revelation 19:22:19 has a profound statement that all Christian’s need to ponder and meditate along with pray to know what the truth is.

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

All religions are.

[@terintiaflavius3349]

​@@Woodman-Spare-that-treeMormonism is extra special with it's magic talking salamander and magic underpants.

[@beachybird1251]

As women our superpower is our intuition. No reason to apologize when the person involved turns out to be a murderer.We are socialized to believe it's wrong to stand up for common sense if there's a chance it won't appear "nice".

[@ElroyMF1]

It's not only women who have intuition. You understand that that idea is kinda old timey and sexist. Don't limit yourself.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

​@@ElroyMF1so how come Chad didn't have the intuition to see that bad actions will lead to unfavorable consequences? How come the Q15 didn't figure that Mark Hoffman? How come the Q15 didn't figure out shell companies would lead to SEC fines$? How come ol' joe didn't know urim and thurim from a rock in a hat? How come...oh never mind....

[@whims6278]

​@@ElroyMF1where did she say only women have intuition? 🧐 where did she limit herself? This is a very weird comment my guy. Seems like you just wanted to discredit a woman talking about the strength of women. Start your own comment thread about men if you feel so strongly

[@linda_dc2379]

Heather is very well spoken. She’s very credible. It’s also nice to hear that her and her husband are so supportive of each other. She conveys that they are a very strong couple. Good job Heather!

[@heathercarter7987]

Thank you Heather for sharing your story with us. I appreciate your strength, your direct style, and your willingness to call BS. I also appreciate that you sound like a grown woman not a sweet child.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Well said!

[@Trillian-pjn]

Wow ~ well said!

[@katc6317]

This made me laugh out loud. So true! Really admire this strong lady. Also shows the less visible victims of what Lori and Chad did. Great interview. Thank you.

[@suelambert5760]

I have the utmost admiration for Heather to speak up and anxious to see parts 2 & 3. Thank you for doing this!

[@FlowerChild65]

Chilling honestly. Watching these old interviews is providing great context and insight. Thank you for calling out the abuse and coercive control. I have never been LDS but goodness, if you have narcissistic parents you can certainly see similarities in Chad.

[@denisewilder8733]

Kay and Larry Woodcock. I want you both to know me and my husband love you guys so much.. You two are such big inspirations for alot of people. So strong, full of love and compassion. We're praying for your family and also for justice for your grandchildren and brother. Slowly but surely it will come... much love from Kentucky.....

[@DingusDangus42069]

I was getting the vibe that she was no longer drinking the LDS kool aid, 90 minutes into the interview I was definitely not surprised to hear her confirm that she has left the church

[@woolhatkatie]

You can get that vibe from the first second because of her tank top!

[@Notmep]

@@woolhatkatie so sad and really bizarre all the judgement of how women wear clothing! Do they judge mens clothing the same way?

[@booswanger3801]

I don’t think it’s a slam against her top, more that it reflects that she no longer wears the garments associated with orthodox LDS

[@71suns]

​@@booswanger3801 you mean the 'magic underwear'?

[@71suns]

​@@woolhatkatie If only she wore the 'magic underwear'...

[@lindaolsen7089]

She's a straight shooter with good instincts. Clearly she knew Chad was a fraud early on and had no stomach for his nonsensical manipulations.

[@onemanstrash8233]

Absolutely! But.. unless you are a YES woman (or man) people won’t like that outspoken person ! ESPECIALLY in the “religious” world. People who know The Lord KNEW CHAD was evil and a liar… but again.. people don’t want to hear it! They want women like us to SHUT UP AND SIT DOWN! They will never like you HEATHER… but ain’t it amazing that when the work needs to be done who do they call on… HEATHER!! They call on Women like HEATHER!

[@lauralou4852]

@@onemanstrash8233isnt that the truth! 👏 👏

[@FaithM1976]

True, and she called it out!

[@b.valentine5283]

That's why they didn't like her

[@Herewearenowentertainus]

This is a great interview! I can’t believe so far 18k views, but 1.8k likes! If Heather felt comfortable enough to open up to this channel, it speaks to their character & integrity & hope to see more support!

[@shanabanna4810]

@Tara Mcgavan most people know something isn’t right about someone but there’s not always something that can be done without making it seem like you’re the “jealous nut job” for trying to bring awareness to the person. Most the time nobody believes it’s bad untill it’s real bad and too late unfortunately 😞

[@beachbum-mk1cu]

Over 250k views and over 7k likes 4/16/2023

[@Herewearenowentertainus]

@@shanabanna4810 I’m not even entertaining that. How does one know someone is going to turn into a serial killer just because they have antiquated values and do not think highly of women? 🥴🤣

[@lauraberry960]

It's somehow comforting to know that there are decent people in this family. I can't express the horror l feel about this series of crimes by Chad and Lori. Heather is a good person 😊

[@TSD438]

Seriously?😂

[@lauraberry960]

@@TSD438 seriously.

[@bjferry7192]

I feel so bad for Heather and the entire Daybell family. You can see and hear the sorrow and devastation, the hurt in her voice. They destroyed so many lives.

[@christysmith2807]

So sad, I wanted to think that Tammy lived a mostly happy life unaware of Chads betrayals. Pretty naive of me, it must have been much darker. Great interview!

[@Goaliemomlife]

This is the life of s many lds women

[@debbieblair3329]

I watched these interviews before but watching today it means so much more. Thank you for reposting the links

[@kellihall4413]

Wow!!! This is a SCOOP….I’m so excited to hear what she has to say!

[@factualbreakdown3072]

This brave woman validates much of what I suspected, including the fact that Daybell's children know full well what their father did to their mother. These are adults. There is no excuse.

[@NaveDelAmor]

@factualbreakdown ~ that happens often, kids side with the one with the 'power and money."

[@factualbreakdown3072]

@@NaveDelAmor Chad is a BUM. Tammy was the breadwinner. He saw stars when he met Blondezilla thinking that SHE had money, not realizing that it was her HUSBAND who had the money. The adult Daybell "children" are in denial - they can't handle the truth about what their father did. Not to their mother, and not to Tylee and JJ.

[@pinkpugginz]

theyre in complete denial.

[@pinkpugginz]

​@Factual Breakdown chad knew lori had money. he took advantage of her when she was going through a faith crisis. if she never met chad everyone would be alive. he was money hungry and thought he deserved a blonde wife and all the money. didnt want to work so he plotted to kill tammy for the insurance money. he has been brainwashing his kids (and even tammy) for years with the whole prophet crap. then telling tammy she was destined to die and she had no suspicious inkling? the LDS aspect of the case can't be ignored. it primes people to already have magical thinking. thats how he was able to control all these people like zulema (texting about having fire healing power and demons stabbing her in the back) and melanie g, (participated in the exorcisms) and whoever else was in their little group

[@jennifertomasik7437]

@@factualbreakdown3072 that's what I am thinking. Chad is lazy. Total bum

[@CEK51]

Chad is the typical covert narcissist! I was treated like that for 28 years by my ex. He literally tried to destroy me and nearly did. I still live with the lies that was told of me. He was so good that my family believed him. He never goes away…. You just have to learn to live with it.

[@ScottishAnnie]

This is how true crime and interviews are done, no dramatising or expolting the fact she is speaking out with you & has spoke to you for years is a testament to your character.

[@romisebald389]

I have been following this story for since the beginning media coverage of the Woodcock’s pleas to Lori to produce the children, and there has been nothing more riveting or fascinating than these in-depth and intense interviews with people like Heather who have been observing for years.

[@amithorpe]

this is the 3rd or 4th time I'm watching these interviews with Heather. they are so good, she is very well spoken, and I admire her strength and courage to speak so freely. thank you Lauren, Dr John, and Heather!

[@rickipacaci1338]

Heather is the only reliable believable honest person I have heard. This story is so complex and jaw dropping. Chilling and horrific and sad.

[@carolinahurtado6634]

Heathet Daybell was in the beginning not accepted,Maybe until this day!? She came into the Daybell family at the young age of 15 yrs old so if anyone knows Chad Daybell this is the woman who does! And she tried to sound the alarm about Chaf Daybells's dark beliefs she witnessed how Chad Daybells (transformation) began "no pun intended" considering his beliefs in prior probations ,celestial beings and his ratings in light & dark spirits.Heather and Matt were pillars in their community when all this hit the newswaves around the world.I believe Heather Daybell,she doesn't have reason to lie.❤

[@mamagrace3416]

So sad that no one listens until it’s too late. Sometimes you just have a hunch about someone. Great video… so glad to hear from Heather. I’m glad she spoke up for her family.

[@rebeccaalhadi2985]

Wow great trailer! Can’t wait. Love you and your channel. You give a voice to so many who otherwise would not be heard. You and your husband are such good people and it’s so refreshing to see genuinely good, caring people on KZbin these days. Glad to be a part of this community! 💛

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you so much!

[@ValeskaTruax]

Chad reminds me of a boyfriend I had who turned out to be physically abusive. He would tell me a certain friend didn't like me. I thought how is that possible I only met this person once? Then I realized the friend was getting all the information about me from my boyfriend. Sounds like that's what Chad did to Tammy. Coercive control. Chad was a much worse person from early on than I knew before.

[@anneamus]

Peer pressure is so dangerous. Everyone must learn to accept being an outsider. It's ok to say no thanks. If the group disapproves of you, have enough internal fortitude to say, "I will be fine without this (you)". Society is so terrified of loneliness; that fear is a way of gaining mass control of people (and their time, talent, money). It's ok to be an "outsider", to be alone (for the time), and to be disliked. People who pressure you into doing things that you are uncomfortable with, are not your friends. Be very careful about who and what institutions effect your life decisions.

[@mango8918]

I'm sorry, but how can anyone in their right mind believe in this crap? It amazes me that what I would consider normal people, fall for this bizarre behavior and thinking. I'm happy that Heather seems to have found her senses and distanced herself from this crazy group of people and their radical beliefs.

[@71suns]

THANK YOU.

[@brianreed8271]

Natural disasters are definitely real. And I do believe the end of civilization as we know it is definitely possible. But I do not believe that any amount of preparing for it is going to help you. My higher power does not discriminate.

[@patferguson9377]

Right

[@bumblebaa2327]

How? Because it doesn't start with these extreme beliefs. It starts with normal things and then gradually grows bizarre. Also Chad (and Lori and all the extremist groups worldwide) will restrict who they tell what. "Need to know basis". "You're a confidant." "You're special, you're going to be great, be important." And thirdly, people yearn to belong. If somebody offers a group where you feel validated, people like to join. If the group then goes into "us versus them" territory, they get dangerous fast. Inhumane. No longer social solid. I hope you understand now how easily it is for normal, kind people to "believe in this crap".

[@ZSC92]

LDS is responsible for all the "preparing for the end" garbage. The chuch still sets the stage for weirdos and misfits and their fear mongering groups.

[@raye271]

So grateful to Heather for sharing her knowledge and experience in this family. I can only imagine the pain she and Matt are holding. Dr John and Lauren, this is such an important interview and it is no surprise that Heather chose HTC to open up. Sensitively handled and real. ❤

[@MicheleLJudd]

I’m really looking forward to watching Part Two and Part Three. Thank you Heather and Hidden True Crime for sharing this amazing interview with us all!

[@purpleslurple5149]

Heather, thank you so much for sharing your story. Your experiences turn people we know as one-dimensional ("the doting mother", "the villain") and creates a much deeper and realistic view of humanity--the complex characters laced with tragedy, dealing with family, self-preservation, growth, and both exercising and pushing boundaries. It sounds like you and your husband have worked really hard at your relationship throughout the years, what a great accomplishment that shows your abiding trust and love in each other. I also commend you for re-evaluating your entire belief system--it takes open-minded intelligence, integrity, and grit to progress beyond the worldview you inherited. It's also incredibly difficult and painful, though ultimately (imo) wonderfully rewarding, to find you can learn and change and that all that is before you is opportunity to live and grow some more. I've made that journey, ridden than tapir, if you will, see the similarities in history that you've seen--all my support on your journey and to your families as you make your way through this great tragedy. 😘 Thanks again.

[@rachelsmith2524]

This was caused by Chad’s made up belief system. He desired control. He was greedy and wanted life insurance money, minus Lori’s children. He didn’t actually believe the BS he sold Lori

[@kyleek.cosmos3371]

1:23:36 First, thank you so much for sharing your story. You are the first normal person that I’ve seen interviewed in relation to this case 😅 As I’m listening, and the deeper this gets, I’m just so happy that you are alive to tell this story. You are one of the only people that was brave enough to challenge him, and actually be alive to tell the story. That is so messed up to say, especially this man being your brother-in-law. Wow…just wow.

[@Somegirl811]

I don't know a single male over the age of 10 that expects their mother to take out the trash. That must be a Mormon thing. My mom did some gruelling housework like spot-cleaning the carpet and scrubbing toilets that my dad would not do, but my dad mowed the lawn, took out trash, cooked about half the meals, and helped with dishes and laundry. I can't even imagine my dad telling my mom to take out the trash, unless he was sick or out of town.

[@Woodman-Spare-that-tree]

My dad would not do anything. Certainly not take out the trash. He said housework is “women’s work”.

[@ButchWallace-u9w]

Lame comment. I know plenty of Mormon boys and men that take out the trash and do housework. Your bigotry in trying to label millions of people based on the actions of a single psychopath is very evident.

[@TracyDale007]

Fantastic interview! Heather is so fun to listen to. She’s bright, intuitive and she saw right through Chad. Looking forward to the rest of the interview! ✌️

[@angelbogart539]

This is so, so, sooo good!!! She is smart, savvy & well-spoken! Y'all did a great job interviewing her. You let her talk without interrupting & allowed her to tell the real story. Bravo to all. Doesn't Chad just make your blood boil??? Can't wait for the remaining parts. Really very well done. I value Dr John immensely. Thank you all for doing this

[@angelbogart539]

@Tara Mcgavan finish the interview, she's completely left the church

[@71suns]

​@@angelbogart539 Hallelujah!

[@ForestLadyForever]

OMG. I normally listen to your excellent interviews, but I had to stop what I was doing (and stay up way too late) so I could really concentrate on every word and gesture of Heather's. What a powerful woman and storyteller she is! These are the missing pieces and juicy details that we've all been craving in this case! Heather, thank you for sharing these infuriating and gut-wrenching details. Lauren and Dr. John, thank you for always delivering such thoughtful and quality content. I can't wait for part 2!

[@lyndaczika6327]

It’s absolutely astounding hearing how evil Chad is. And how he manipulated and controlled Tammy is so frightening. He deserves everything he has coming to him. What a monster.

[@joyleenpoortier7496]

Larry and Kay I am from Australia I just want to tell you that I am so sorry for the horror you are going through. May God provide you with strength and may he wrap his arms around you. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@paulaoppedisano6460]

It sounds like Chads father emotionally abused and devalued his wife and his kids followed suit. Women are to be blamed and made invisible, no influence, focus on their appearance, weight- negative.

[@annwood6812]

Fascinating interview. Fills in lots of gaps.------Loved Heather's unspoken commentary on "the priesthood". Heard you loud and clear. --As for Dr. John, any man who can't pronounce "patriarchal" is a potential keeper.

[@thisidahomomreports]

Agree... Lol! Love that "patriarchy" is obviously not Dr. John's first language! Plus he is brilliant and kind! Such a great couple Lauren and John!

[@HeartOfHippie]

I’m glad to see someone not swayed by religion or reality

[@annwood6812]

@@thisidahomomreports For sure. These two are a great pairing of expertise and now that I've had some time to let this interview sink in I think I'm seeing how this may have developed. This is THE interview that finally sheds a bright light. No ittybitty sound bites here; a real and flowing narrative.

[@lamesafilipinofoodclub6202]

Thanks for your continued respectful patience and care with all of your guests/interviewees Lauren and Dr John! it leads to such natural free flowing and organic interactions. So looking forward to part ll such gratitude to Heather and Matt as well 💗

[@kimyoung2447]

I am late to the party on this case. But his sister in law is absolutely beautiful. I love her spirit.

[@Stephanie-ni6zc]

What a nightmare to have to endure all that. So glad she shared her story.

[@Tracylyn42]

Heather is so respectful and well spoken.I’m very impressed with her. Her husband must be so proud of her.

[@katmac6694]

This is FASCINATING!!! Heather is an AMAZING woman! So well spoken. Can't wait for the next segment! Thank you to Heather for finally putting herself out there and sharing her story! One of my favorite episodes so far!

[@McRambleOn]

Wow…😢 the preview gave me goosebumps… Heather and Matt, you have been through so much, & you’re incredibly courageous for stepping frwd to speak abt your experience/POV as this mindless tragedy unfolded…I can’t imagine how you feel but appreciate you sharing your story and choosing Lauren & the Dr to sit down with- we all know why you would trust them with your trauma and heartbreak, and I’m so glad that the work they’re doing is being recognized for the consideration, thoughtfulness, respect, lack of sensationalism and the dedication to uncovering the truth that we admire and appreciate them for… they are shining a light in the darkness and I know that you will inspire so many ppl by explaining how Chad cast his darkness even over his own family… the fact he loathed you was surely annoying and inconvenient and uncomfortable at times, but then finding out the fact he would bring you or his wife’s name into his evil dirty dealings must have been terrifying and maddening… but it turned out to be his biggest compliment, as someone that saw through the BS and was relentless in ensuring he didn’t put the entire family under his spell- his need for control and acclaim and attention… you stood up to him then, and now you’re still standing up to his lies and destruction; however, now you are representing Tammy too, and I’m sure she’d be happy and proud of you uncovering Chad’s true character and ripping of his mask to reveal the selfish, egotistical, listful, LIAR AND FRAUD, that cared abt his family so much that he was willing to destroy it and k¡ll its heart- his wife- his children’s mother, and he’s so narcissistic he thought he would get away with it and it would be worth doing… so he could have his cheerleader, which is sickeningly disgusting & enraging, and the most narcissistic thing I’ve ever heard of, bc it was worth him to do all these things and life a life of depravity and destruction with his little minion followers all staring at him for directions. It’s unbelievable, it I hope his children can be embraced and strengthened by ur larger family and get the support they need when the legal process comes to an end and they have to face reality. I’m so happy you’re exposing him and in doing so, warning everyone else that practices or dabbles in the problematic beliefs he/they got involved in (Julie row, energy work, avow, Church of the 1st born, etc.) that opening something as precious as your religious beliefs and trust to ppl that could be cheats, frauds, charlatans, swindlers, and ppl with evi intentions to take away something you love… maybe even everything. Giving insight into Chads life and decisions and who he really was will definitely help ppl avoid personalities like him or look out for the characteristics in ppl close to them and help them recognize the signs of abuse, need for control, egoism and psychopathy… so that they can escape a negative situation or atleast take it seriously. I’m sure your interview will help many ppl and warn many others- it will be a positive influence that combats all the bad/dark that Chads put out in the world. Thank you for helping us understand ❤️ prayers for everyone in the daybell family and also tammy’s, sending them wishes for healing peace and acceptance and hoping you all take time to care for your heads and hearts after such difficulties/trauma.

[@katiem6773]

So good of Heather to come forward and talk. I hope it was helpful for her as well. She's very courageous to do this.

[@joleenmichele]

I’m so glad I stumbled across this video! I am sooooo supportive of Heather. You speak truth to power! You are one of the many hero’s in this story. You give me so much confidence to say the truth even though others try to bring me down and gaslight me and even threaten me to go along with things that don’t feel right. Thank you so much.

[@petakucas7389]

Chad fancied Heather and knew she could not stand him. Chad is a massive creep

[@indicolite3355]

I think he saw an independent thinker and didn't like it.

[@katherinekeon7034]

This woman looks so so much like tammy. And so much like lori. And yet Chad killed Tammy to have lori. Thank goodness this woman didn't buy into his insanity. Oh I bet he wanted her. And I bet he couldn't stand that she saw right through him. This woman got the good brother that's for sure.

[@lesliekupchanko5001]

Massive creep is right.

[@sedonasky7314]

Chad is such an ignorant, awkward dough boy. Makes my skin crawl.

[@Baba_Wawa]

Thank you for sharing this, it was fascinating. Hearing Heather speak about the knot in her stomach, her instinct really stood out to me. Intuition is truly be a grate blessing. It’s up to us whether or not we heed it, I’m so glad she did & was able to guard her children! My heart goes out to her & the families who have been devastated by this great tragedy, & the wickedness that robbed them of their beloved members Tammy, Charles, Tylee, & JJ.

[@dhutchinson2781]

Such a gracious, Beautiful, and Strong Woman. I have respect for her standing up to Chad and raising her Family. I am looking forward to watching part two. I feel Heather was definitely going to be a victim of Chad and his minions. She was deemed to be DARK and we know what happened to the others.

[@I.Grow.Multiples]

Agree, and I’m so glad that Brandon got his “dark” kids and was able to get them away from Lori , Chad, and more importantly, their own mother! I really believe that they were in danger! Melanie was seriously aggressive about trying so hard to take them at the same time JJ & Tylee were still missing. I think Melanie P knows more than she led on in her interview. Wouldn’t it be crazy if she decided to testify against Chad since he’s throwing her under the bus!! I couldn’t trust anyone in that family except Adam and Loris uncle, maybe. Praying for Justice ❤

[@I.Grow.Multiples]

Heather is beautiful! How could he call her a dark spirit?? After today I had to come back and rewatch this. Love and prayers for you Heather! Thank you Lauren & John, so glad I found your hidden gem💎 ! You are all amazing people ❤

[@rachelsavard851]

I'm only half an hour in, yet feel compelled to share that this must be one of the most authentic interviews - not only in this case, but in any public telling of a real life or true crime story. It is so deeply apparent that Heather had insight and experinces few did, but the wisdom of being an outside within the family to bring some objctivity. Mostly, it's apparent that she's trying to tell her story while respecting the privacy and boundaries of her husband's family; and that while she herself has established boundaries with that family, she has love and wishes the best for them. Perhaps if they're watching, but too hurt or entrenched in their own story /experience, they'll see some truth in my words, or Heather's decision to speak to them (30m mark when she looks directing into the camera. )

[@karenbaker2566]

Heather, you are clearly the real deal. Your story affirms my experience with organized religion being polluted by flawed, narcissistic humans. (I was raised in old-school fundamentalist religions that seemed to be filled with spiteful and power hungry people who ignored the real teachings of Jesus.) I have connection with Spirit now, and live my own truth as best I can. Thank you for sharing your journey. 💗

[@kittychronister3537]

I’m floored by what I’m hearing. It definitely fills in the gaps and explains a lot about Chad. Wow!

[@emilyflotilla931]

It certainly does! So telling. Good to have his "Dark side" confirmed.

[@Cult-Free_Ang]

Thank you Heather for sharing your truth. I too am Utah Mormon raised and Idaho resident. I shared your doubts about the Rexburg/prep movement. It’s really neat hearing your insight on all this. I respect the hell out of you coming on Hidden True Crime. Thank you!!!

[@Cult-Free_Ang]

@Tara Mcgavan H3LL NO! I share Heathers current beliefs. I am no longer a believing nor practicing Mormon. It’s should be said that Chad and Lori believed way beyond the Mormon beliefs.

[@jollibee9680]

This interview changed my life. I learned a lot and found myself having so much in common with Heather. My husband's family is very similar to Chad's.

[@Bridget311]

This was a phenomenal interview. Thank you Heather! I’m sorry you had to endure all of that. You seem like a wonderful person ! 🦋🦋🦋

[@troublemakerbaker]

I will be listening to this interview *many* times. Heather is so observant and grounded. I can't say enough how much I admire her courage, and deeply appreciate her for telling her story. This tragedy is so perplexing and heartbreaking. Hearing Heather's insight is like, somehow calming, almost curative, if that makes sense? So, thank you Heather for sharing this with us *and* for choosing Hidden True Crime. And thank you HTC for such a thoughtful, smart interview!

[@sandymajors6015]

Heather is such an interesting and perceptive person. I am so sorry for all she has endured. Thank you for bringing us this interview!

[@lillianleigh7316]

Amazing woman. Not only could she be rebuked by her family but I'm sure the Church frowned on this interview.

[@Selena_From_GA]

She left the church

[@Who-Dunnit]

God..... hearing how he made Tammy a pariah in the family...

[@ElizabethRussell144]

Classic narcissistic smear campaign. Horrible.