Judo is completely HELPLESS against wrestling?

[@Chadi]

The Shohei Ono video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYanlWmcqdxlgKMsi=LJ2Vfisi_g5FLjc1

[@MrYou-n4f]

So exactly how is wrestling superior to judo?You never really explained it to me

[@Coyoteinthedesert]

Cross trained in Judo and Wrestling Judo helped massively in Wrestling. I started Judo because I noticed all the best wrestlers in highschool were also very good Judokas the two Judokas in my highschool were 3rd in wrestling In the state wrestling tournament and the female was first and they were siblings

[@mrboy9658]

Sports sambo too very good to crosstrain with wrestling , because technically sports sambo is almost the same stuff that judo was before reforms . Vlad Koulikov proves that

[@lamesurfer1015]

Overrated might be the wrong word. I'd say "Hyper-popular" in the global sports community since it is the most practiced style of grappling/wrestling, followed by Freestyle.

[@francismurage895]

Khabib Nurmagomagodev(ufc) once said that judo was more superior to wrestling; we can trust him on that since he started as a wrestler

[@copicmarker1021]

@@francismurage895 He said that regarding the 'merit' of the gold medal for judo vs. wrestling

[@lancegoulet8100]

I trained wrestling to help my judo. One of my teammates was a junior (under 20 years old) national champion in judo and collegiate national champion in wrestling in the same year. A lot fo my judo teammates were great high school wrestlers and many of them wrestled in college.

[@bless_you_361]

As a wrestler, the judo stance is absolutely brilliant on hard surfaces, also for efficiency and counter throws

[@1_Bad_Z]

It's good, once you clinch since a double and single would be awkward or lost of opportunity when the distance has been closed. Ive seen Judo black belts that had Wrestled in high school/ College; dominate other Judo black belts.

[@beingmediocre]

I'm a judo player... because wrestling wasn't a thing in my area when I was younger. Love coming up against wrestlers because I don't know what I'm gonna get. So much to learn from each, it's just all grappling

[@InspiredObservance67]

@@beingmediocre the picture when you click the video makes me laugh

[@BURGAWMMA]

Judo does not "shoot" for legs, What Judo does is called a "snatch" in wrestling terminology "shooting" is when you put your knee down and commit to the step through!

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

True that!

[@SoldierDrew]

Correct.

[@slothmaster101]

Wrestling teaches you how to knee walk. Judo doesn't. However, Aikido teaches knee walking. Weird right?

[@BURGAWMMA]

@@slothmaster101 WOAH 🤔💥

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@slothmaster101 exactly lol

[@sakissakis7992]

Jigoro Kano was teaching the upright fighting stance because when someone uses the bent over wrestling stance, is susceptible to atemi waza, at any moment.We must remember that the Judo in the old days was more towards self defense having in mind that in a street scenario, atemi waza is a part of a fight. Thank you.

[@KingOfSwords720]

Many people aren't aware of this because they're too one dimensional. The way grappling is taught today, no one is ready to get hit. At such a close distance, knees and elbows are devastating.

[@jaredmackey4511]

I agree with you that one should be mindful of strikes when thinking about their stance. But wouldn’t that be the same as saying an upright stance opens one up to lower body attacks? In my opinion, the reason judokas can use the upright stance is because of control from the gi. Changing levels becomes a lot more challenging if you’re having to grip and hand fight. Edit: Just saw where Chadi mentioned this towards the end of the video.

[@mrboy9658]

But you can see that freestyle wrestling still works in mma or street as well

[@marcosgarcia8544]

What is atemi waza?

[@AdventureThroughLife]

@@marcosgarcia8544 Striking techniques.

[@JudoHighlights2015]

One of the greatest quotes I heard was from Satoshi Ishii. I think it was in a Donmai video. He said the rule change to remove leg grabs was absolutely BS because wrestlers had all the opportunities in the world up until that point to win plenty of world judo titles and Olympic medals. But you know what happened? The judokas won most of the time.

[@Chadi]

100%

[@NoRockinMansLand]

For some reason people still think wrestlers easily beat judokas

[@BURGAWMMA]

The upright posture of Judo is absolutely genius... that coupled with the rice Bale throw makes wrestling a different game. The upright posture also converts to mixed martial arts much better than the bent over stance of other Combat Sports. I taught my high school wrestlers to stand up more straight and when someone tried to shoot for their legs hit them with a rice Bale throw or use your increased drop momentum to sprawl them flat. If you drop from a deeply squatted stance you don't have that much drop pressure but if you drop from nearly standing your weight hits much harder smashing their leg attack with a heavier Force!

[@marquisejoubert6129]

I’m someone who wrestled through highschool to D3 in college from the 189 LBS through Heavyweight. It’s funny because my coaches had the top 3 weight classes focus on upper body techniques for example my bread and butter was a headlock takedown into a reverse headlock takedown. I will say the Tawara Gaeshi Chadi showed is a move I’ve naturally come to use as a shoot defense except I try to turn all the way through and through in the legs

[@BURGAWMMA]

@@marquisejoubert6129 yes I couldn't agree more here's my version kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZ2ufn2sbNt9i5osi=RWkwxo9Fzj7k_h71

[@janosch7210]

hmm i'm not sure if i'm getting your take on that correctly. Let me sum it up. So, you're saying you learn your guys in wrestling the upright stance, since it transists better into mma and from there you can use your body weight and gravitation better to both defending incomming moves with like a full body weight sprawl or countering a incomming move with stuff like a rice bale throw, right? Then my question would be, how much utility does a rice bale throw bing to the table especially considering the setting of mma, since you will both be landing flat and noone of both fighters will have a dominant position for follow ups like GroundNPound or submissions? (considering you're not doing the single leg counter where you fully roll with your partner into mount, because they you'd have this advantageous position im talking about)...Care to elaborate?

[@BURGAWMMA]

@@janosch7210 as usual the "forms" style is practically worthless kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZ2ufn2sbNt9i5osi=biPl0hpZCgx4X4o0

[@ayam1maya]

@@janosch7210 I think the greatest utility comes from the original move pile-driving the head into the ground which obviously wouldn't be legal in sport which is another example of how sportification ruins martial arts.

[@retroghidora6767]

I think an interesting follow up video to this would be one exploring the stances used in various jacket/clothing styles of European wrestling, especially any that allow leg grabs.

[@markogregorin9423]

Last week I watched the European Championship, and most Judokas fight bent over, using techniques like Pasatka (variant of Kata-guruma). The point is simple, bring back the old Judo, just stick to proper judging, "passive attack is punishment", we all know what negative Judo is, and that's it.

[@SwordFighterPKN]

Do people not know that wrestlers do more than just shoot double legs? I wrestled mostly upper body, doing an occasional firemans or single leg, never did double legs but I could stop doubles. I worked out with Judo guys and it was even matches since we both did throws that were different.

[@kaizenproductions00]

Not to mention Greco Roman wrestling is ONLY upper body attacks

[@neowneow13]

Any tips on implimenting more upperbody attacks I seem to struggle with them more compared to your usual single or double legs How do you set them up from hand fighting?

[@SwordFighterPKN]

@@neowneow13 - I find the big key to upperbody is moving forward. You don't play paddy cake with hands, you close in. If you are used to shooting you like that distance and getting close is going to make you uncomfortable. I have found there are three types of people with take downs. Those that throw, those that shoot and those that sweep/trip. Everyone gets good at one, some are good at two; I've never meet someone that is good at all three.

[@pelejahosoba4032]

​@@SwordFighterPKNyou are exactly right brother,I suck at shooting but am a king at throws and quite good at sweeping,I'm a judoka so anything shooting I am not always to confident

[@rustyshackleford735]

@@neowneow13 I can tell you I use a lot of arm drags and Russian arm ties which leads to a lot of upper body, under hooks, wizzers, body locks goose-neck clinches, etc...come off of arm attacks.

[@3Mus-cat-tears]

Thanks Chadi. You actually remind me my randori with a Black Belt two weeks ago. I'm 36 a green belt and he is at his 20s and a Black belt. He was trying to throw me several times but everytime I use my hip defense to nullify his attack. It bought me some time to counter.

[@Chadi]

That’s awesome

[@mizukarate]

The sprawl is a great defense with leg takedowns(single and double). The wrestling stance of bending over is only done in transition in street fights. For example when in a fight you clinch you may go into this stance briefly.

[@marlondjuma1]

I think if you combine, wrestling with judo than you become a ultimate grappler. Listen wrestling = strength and explosion and stamina . While judo = strength and endurance but wrestling too.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Yes indeed! But that's if you practice Judo as a full art! Because many schools barely do any Ne Waza which is very important

[@MrCmon113]

If you just want strength and endurance, save your money and just exercise by yourself.

[@NoRockinMansLand]

Judo is very explosive as well

[@znail4675]

Not standing upright in wrestling is not only about protecting the legs as it's also done in greco roman wrestling. This is because if one is upright and the other is slightly crouched, then all that is needed is to grab the upright one and straighten up to remove contact from the ground making throwing pretty easy. The jacket does change that, but that is also why wrestling have an advantage when there is no jacket.

[@davidtice4972]

A friend of mine I trained with was a 3 times national Jr. wrestling champion and a high school state wrestling champion. He wrestled standing straight up.

[@thomasowen5785]

what? i need to see it to believe it. you're talking folkstyle?

[@RitzCaraldo]

In My first wrestling tournament a coach from.another team (that i had never met) came to me at half and asked if i did judo. I was puzzled and said yes. He replied with STOP DOING JUDO. He then gave me a quick recap on the wrestling stance and i went back at it. Once i got into wrestling a bit more i did pretty good with some big throws. Did well with ashiwaza as well. Love both sports.

[@1massboy]

OK I don’t know whether the headline on this video is Just some kind of Clickbait. But watching the video I do very much agree with everything that you said. Being able to check someone with your hips and your legs can be huge both in judo and in wrestling. Wrestling does take it one step further with sprawling because more often than not unless you’re doing Greco-Roman wrestling someone is going to shoot on you. But going back to the headline is judo defenseless against wrestling? Absolutely not. You just have to be able to modify your training in order to be prepared for those situation’s. Learning how to sprawl should be essential learning for most grappling martial arts whether you use it all the time or not. It’s a great way To train your body to throw those hips forward.

[@tichtran664]

Except judo keep losing to, at least, the catch wrestlers. From the days of Ad Santel to the first Quintet

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@tichtran664 Submission grappling is a different beast.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@tichtran664 Submission grappling is a different beast. Regular wrestlers lose there too. Its a BJJ/Catch Wrestling/Submission Wrestling fest. You never see Sambo amount to much in it either, yet they don't get shit. Takedown focused arts are just not good in submission rules.

[@darthpunk3510]

As someone who has done both for over 15 years, I consider judo one of a very few styles that can rival it when it comes to takedowns, I also consider it an awesome art to cross train wrestling with, and if you do Greco Roman wrestling you will love and excel at judo.

[@joeandorian7719]

I have run into a few wrestlers who have told stories about encountering judoka and being helpless against them. These were guys who wrestled at state championship levels in the big wrestling states. In each case, the judoka was older and more experienced, but in each case the wrestlers just blown away by the experience. At the 2:20 mark that hip checking is found in many classical styles of yawara or jujutsu, and it is usually a deeper stance that locks the opponent's knees, involves striking to finish a throw and the possibility to severely damage the knee or back of the opponent (similar but not exactly why kane basame is considered so dangerous, imagine it in armor). There is a jujutsu school that specialized in the acrobatic escapes you see in the MMA footage. I suspect more than one. All of this is based off of stance work that is upright, with the hips under you in a particular way and a particular sequencing of body action, and it all was influenced by the wearing of armor. This is very related to how Mizune did what he did and old Judo, imo. This is why the belt grabbing was important in judo, you can't grab the armor, but you could grab the obi that secured the tachi, same with Sumo, and an upright stance was necessary. The wearing of swords also influenced yawara techniques. These classical methods are easy to talk about, not easy to do, and when you meet someone who can, it is a whole new experience. That's why there are so few who can do it. it is much more straight forward to be strong and fast, but you can only be so strong and fast. The advent of competitive Judo changed the arts into something different, and that is fine. It's its own animal. Some in each generation "rediscover" some of the classical principles and they usually excel as a result. It can be a secret sauce.

[@Pifagorass]

Yes, no-Gi judo practitioner vs freestyle wrestler with similar experience - judo would lose dominance. The only problem with wrestling is no training on submitting an opponent. Wrestling + BJJ is the golden combo for no striking fighting ❤

[@tichtran664]

No submission in wrestling except for catch wrestling.

[@marlondjuma1]

Wrestler are explosieve, and they have stamina and power.. judokas are strong too

[@YesitisDex]

Unfortunately unless the wrestler has a Gi top on, we MAY have a “hard time” to grab them. Yes, the clench but then it’s no gi and (IMO) no gi is “wrestling” Fk I love this sport 🤩

[@doolbedolc]

Depends because there are many hybrid styles of judo mixed with wrestling and bjj. In fact, david Camarillo teaches a variation of it.

[@MrCmon113]

That's irrelevant to the sports themselves. It's irrelevant to your decision, as an adult, of what you should learm.

[@YesitisDex]

LOL@@MrCmon113

[@mizutxko]

Wrestlers are extremely explosive, and Judoka's are freak chimp strong

[@guillermomaguire5394]

From experience, Judo and wrestling are extremely complimentary. From gi to no gi, shots to throws, blocks to leg sweeps, they are good for each other.

[@chrisbera7952]

Be interesting to see the comparison with Greco Roman wrestling. Probably way more similar to judo defenses.

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

GR and Judo do not have much in common. You got a lot more you can do with Judo, so a Judoka wins more than not.

[@k9m42]

With cloths on or a GI, shooting on legs is much more difficult. It is a lot easy to control a person and defend leg shots when grabbing their jacket or shirt. That’s why Judo practice is better for self defense than wretched. Especially with chokes and arm bars.

[@MrCmon113]

People typically run around in pyjamas?

[@MatthewNguyen-zx3de]

@@MrCmon113 Peopld don't typically run around in skin tight rash guards, mankinis or swimming trunks either. We usually wear shirts. You can grab a shirt and throw with it.

[@ghostttriddder]

IMO, Judo always has the advantage in modern mma since the meta now is always going for the clinch.

[@1massboy]

Well I would say that if you only train either folkstyle or freestyle there could be an advantage for judo. But Greco Roman wrestling definitely is at least equal to if not slightly superior to judo for MMA.

[@SoldierDrew]

@@1massboy French wrestling (Greco-Roman) doesn't have ashi waza , hadaka jime nor submissions.

[@marquisejoubert6129]

@@1massboy i personally think the grapplers from folk style are better

[@badart3204]

@@1massboyI mean the Folkstyle guys do really well though. They are actually good at holding guys down unlike freestyle and Greco guys. Furthermore, if they are taken down they actually train getting back to the feet which is a massive blind spot in Judo

[@kaizenproductions00]

​@@badart3204Folkstyle control and pressure is good. I'm able to use some of mine in BJJ class

[@PicaPauDiablo1]

Excellent as always

[@christpower5402]

Chadi,, let’s do more in regards to these types of things please.

[@JAMESGANG-f5u]

I’ve seen some high level Wrestlers get straight up THROWN by Judokas in MMA so 🤷🏼‍♂️ Karo Parisyan from back around the TUF1 era .... that guy was damn good. That’s one example of many. Look at the throws he did to Josh Burkman. Josh wasn’t like a Kurt Angle, John Smith level Wrestler, but he was probably in the top 8%-10% in the US at that time. And Karo straight up RAGDOLLED Burkman up one side and down the other. Im that thinking Burkmans Teebus probably shrunk a couple of inches during that ordeal he was forced to endure.

[@cesaralvesdemoraes3187]

That's why banning leg grabs castrated judo. The sport has so many ways to deal with that but instead they decided to ban it and now no one remembers how to.

[@muayboran6111]

Spot on. I didn’t like the change

[@MrCmon113]

Yeah, leg grabs are the most intuitive for beginners and the highest percentage in mma.

[@AW-gg3yw]

William Fairbairn, a British policeman in Shanghai who trained WW2 soldiers in hand to hand combat, was originally a wrestler and then became obsessed with judo as it was far more practical for his job. I thought this was odd as you constantly hear wrestling is superior, but if people are fully clothed, usually wearing jackets in most countries then judo would be far more effective when out in public.

[@themightykabool]

Keyvwords: If And Fully clothed. Family Guy and deaf naked guy comes to mind. Hahha

[@MistahMolosser]

Very insightful video. Thank you!

[@silkplayer9]

Check out GSP vs Karo fight.

[@AmericanMadeMud]

As someone who practiced both Judo and wrestling I assure you neither is better than the other.

[@alextop1850]

Judo Wrestling and Combat Jui Jitsu should be formed into 1 art

[@victorhuynh7264]

The major difference is that the control of the gi is really difficult for someone to shoot for the legs.

[@galacticforge77]

So, leg grabs were removed from Olympic judo, because when the 2012 Olympic games in London were approaching, there was a real threat that judo was going to be removed from the Olympics, because the question was asked "What's the difference between judo and wrestling, and why do we need both?" so the International Judo Federation (IJF) changed judo's rules, to try and differentiate it from wrestling, so that judo could stay in the Olympics. One of those rules was that leg grabs were removed, and as such, techniques involving leg grabs, such as Sakui Nage (Scooping Throw), Morote Gari (Two Hand Reap) and the traditional Kata Guruma (Shoulder Wheel) could no longer be used. I wouldn't say judo is "helpless" against wrestling, I think it depends on the context. For example, if a wrestler enters a judo competition and uses only their wrestling, they may not do very well... likewise, if a judoka (judo practitioner) enters a wrestling competition and attempts to only use their judo, the judoka will probably not do very well, either. On a personal level, in 2010 when I was a green belt in judo, I entered a competition interstate for judo, competing in the senior men's -100kg division. As there weren't enough competitors in my weight class, we were shifted up to the +100kg open division. One of our opponents was a yellow belt in judo, brand new to judo, but he was a national champion at Greco Roman wrestling. When he and I competed against one another, I won the match, but he won "the fight" - he was not only heavier and stronger than me, but I had never competed against a wrestler before, so it was a rough-as-guts experience for me... in fairness, if this person had more experience in judo, as well as a better understanding of judo's rules, I believe he would have beat me in the match, as well.

[@JapaneseAmericanaJiuJitsu]

Jigoro Kano's original system was great, Judo is wonderful when the art is practiced fully, newaza and all the throws (none of that BS from IFJ or the Olympics). I dare say it was one of the most complete martial arts, then all these stupid rules neutered the art and now wrestling and jiu jitsu filled in the niche..

[@thomasowen5785]

Wrestlers don't just lean over because of a lack of grips (though that may be part of it), it's because an important part of shooting in on a takedown is the "level change" where you drop down to breach the opponent's defense. If your defense is based low, the opponent's level change will have to be more exaggerated, and if you decide to shoot, you're already half way there

[@JUDOKA_JACK]

I’ve done both. Wrestling has helped me at 1.5 years doing judo beat 3rd and 5th Dan judokas

[@ultraviolet3733]

Здравствуйте уважаемый Чади, смотрю ваши видео. Сегодня посмотрел это видео, полностью с вами согласен. Вы очень правильно всё объяснили. Полностью вас поддерживаю. Раньше занимался дзюдо, хорошая вещь, но захваты за ноги и блокировка ног руками отсутствует. В этом видео вв очень грамотно разобрали защиту. Продолжайте пожалуйста делать такие видео, лично я,их с удовольствием смотрю)))

[@juanpabloreyvanegas5381]

The ijf should have a no gi with leg grabs category, it would be wild. And back to judo's jujutsu roots. But jiujitsu is taking the market

[@KevinGeaslin]

Wrestler advantage standing, but when they hit the ground, it's all Judoka.

[@marquisejoubert6129]

I gotta disagree

[@tacticalcombatfighter2787]

Catch Wrestler are good in ground. Even many judokas and BJJ practitioner have difficult time when play Ground game against catch wrestler.

[@MrCmon113]

You're gonna be completely lost on the ground unless you do sambo, bjj or something else that focuses on submissions anyways. If anything I see wrestlers fight more on the ground.

[@thomaslutz2815]

You can have a look on Shuai Jiao matches. Leg grapping is allowed, still a very upright position is usually maintained.

[@lancegoulet8100]

Yes, judoka would still adopt an upright posture. Leg grabs used to be allowed - there is throw called morote gari in the shimesho no waza. As for pushing your hips forward, that is something we practiced a lot in judo. Utsuri goshi is a technique that when done as a counter uses that hip defense. You use a similar motion when you sprawl in wrestling to defend a shot. You do not pull your hips back, you push your hips forward and throw your legs back and drop your center of gravity to the floor. Just as you mention a sprawl is really just the hop defense you learn in judo. Also, the bent over stance wrestlers take is not very practicle in a self-defense situation. You very rarely see mma fighters adopt that stance because you are open to knee strikes to your face or elbow strikes to the top and back of your head and your back. It is also not a very good stance to throw strikes from. The judo posture is a better self defense posture.

[@Alexsnakedoc]

In my opinion leg grabs should be allowed but with the rule that you should not knee drop to go for it. Makes it also applicable to self defense/combat when there is hard surface, what do you think @chadi?

[@josephbreza-grappling9459]

I like the idea!

[@boogboog8097]

The traditional upright stance in judo is because the grappling and throwing of old KoRyu JuJutsu was developed for combat use where you would end up in a clinch because you crashed into each other while fighting with swords, look at Kendo and how often they end up in close quarters.

[@Crixxtachi868]

Good explanations. And as usual, screw the ijf.

[@razz9431]

thats kind of like saying "the tradiotional wrestling stance is bad against muay thai because you could just knee him to the face" OBVIOUSLY if different rules exist the stance changes

[@GrinningNimbus]

If striking isn't allowed judo is no match. I find wrestlers tend to be way more athletic also. But if striking is allowed and you learn to sprawl judo is still best in my opinion. I learned some muay thai and I just bully people in mma. The biggest weakness I've found for judo is giving up your back and reflexivly turtling.

[@GrinningNimbus]

@@Reflectionmaterial it doesn't take much adjusting to get used to no gi grips. Yes it is different but some throws are easier to land no gi. For example I can't land harai goshi in judo but I can spam it in no gi settings. My basis for wrestlers being more athletic is when I went to a wrestling gym for 1 day I was sore for 2 weeks after and whenever a wrestler comes to my judo club they seem to never break a sweat and they're always tough to deal with especially in ne waza. Wrestling gyms are like boot camps from what I've seen and heard. Pretty much non stop action with no breaks and a 100% effort until victory mentality which a lot of other martial artists lack because they're hobbiests and not competitors. Even mma guys tend to be more relaxed in training from my experience.

[@christophervelez1561]

I think a problem that judo faces against a true wrestling shot is not understanding how to stop the drive off a shot. Much like how judo needs an off balancing, wrestling has the same requirement. The advantage wrestling has over judo is the ability to sprint through an opponent. This is the same fantasy that BJJ has with defending against a takedown. They imagine they can "just guillotine" the way that judo thinks they can "just stop or just throw" a wrestler if you aren't getting that feeling of what it is like to defend/counter this technique then it is all theory. Wrestling however does have big throws and footsweeps albeit without a jacket. But that is just one aspect they need to adapt to where as not defending shots is a whole set of problems for judo to adapt/solve.

[@thegoat5587]

In mma, you can see judoka vs wrestlers. Look at Miesha Tate attempting a double leg vs Ronda Rousey who countered it with a harai goshi. Look at Khabib Nurmagomedov who used judo moves vs Rafael Dos Anjos and Edson Barboza in the clinch.

[@mrboy9658]

"judo is not a wrestling" No dude , judo is actually a Japanese wrestling

[@k9m42]

It’s better than that!

[@kaizenproductions00]

Judo is a form of Jacket Wrestling (like Shuai Jiao, Irish Collar and Elbow, etc) and is in fact the most popular jacket wrestling style

[@mrboy9658]

@@k9m42 no .just another overrated style of jacket wrestling. All wrestling styles is VERY similiar , even gi and noGi

[@Rokudan-nn7ky]

Can’t see a wrestler wanting to break your arms or strangle you out judo is more technical because of the amount of throws and counters available because of the use of a gi

[@a.m.m.4592]

Depends on your approach to Judo. I took adult Judo classes and approach was to learn techniques but apply them to self defense. Sports Judo approach is intended to win matches under rules set by governing organization.

[@ruggeddrelouris3597]

my point is if you are looking at judo from only a Japanese perspective which is not the only way because in wrestling you take down someone then pin them, in judo you take someone down and pin them right the difference is judo is obviously the some submissions but overall the standup is wrestling and ground game modern jiu-jitsu, I understand when teaching there takedowns in judo the Japanese are very technical and precise more then Greco, Freestyle, Folkstyle & Sambo but takedowns ARE WRESTLING DOWNS my freind.

[@henrikg1388]

I couldn't agree more. The upright posture is so essential from a martial perspective, that Kano was right in separating the Kosen rules from mainstream Kodokan. While I do not agree with all the late silly rule changes, and even leglocks in some form should've always been allowed, Kosen/BJJ is just a fit for a 1v1 rule fight. Not for a true encounter.

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@吉尾公志]

柔道はフランスで最も普及しています。特に女性に護身術として、大変多く普及していると聞きます。衣服を掴まれる恐怖を柔道は解消してくれるのでしょう。どの格闘技が優れているのでは無く、それぞれの格闘技に優れた技術が有り、それを取り入れている事が最も重要な事で現実にそうなっているのが、UFCで有り、全世界の警察機構、市民レベル、主婦、女性の護身術に至るまで浸透していると思います。

[@StimmedPenguin]

I’d be happy enough if they bring back leg grab throws off of upper body throws for combination like before they got rid of them completely. That was a happy medium if they want to keep the tachiwaza more judo-y, but preserve the art in sport.

[@guy5140]

When judo allowed leg grabbing techniques the stance was more bent over, hips back, like wrestlers. You can look up the old videos.

[@ВасяПупкин-ц9е4ы]

Thank you 👍👏

[@vickclash7955]

Dude, depending in the rule of the match, judo rule a judoka wins. wrestling rule, the wrestler wins. street fight, there is no rule, it can go both ways.

[@youtubemsu]

Nice job chetti

[@gamingdragon1356]

Judokas almost always beat wrestlers. Judo is the most practical unarmed self defense martial art in existense because you can beat a physically stronger opponent.

[@reinsein518]

You did not answer the question! If we have two identical clones, 1 Wrestler 1 Judoka, with no Gi the Wrestler wins 10/10 times, with Gi the Judoka wins 10/10 times

[@danielperna467]

When I did judo leg grabbing was part of it, I think it's absurd not to have it anymore and was done for wrong reasons.

[@user-tz9jh6pv2j]

The reason is because of greed. I cross train judo and oly weightlifting. It's the IOC destroying both. Wrestling too. All destroyed by the Olympic IOC. They removed leg grabs because the IOC didn't want judo to be too similar to wrestling because they wanted variety. WIth Olympic weightlifting, the IOC forced the IWF to change the weight classes 4 times in 3 years, that destroyed a lot of top competitors' careers. With Wrestling, the IOC straight up wanted to remove it from the olympics so they could make more money with events like 3v3 basketball or breakdancing. F**k the IOC

[@evgeniantelo9697]

I am a new subscriber and new to Judo. I have wrestled both freestyle and Greco-Roman. I am wondering how effective would the Russian tie or the 2 on 1 in Judo and can you break the collar grip in judo using a traditional 2 on 1 maneuver like in wrestling where you twist and peel the collar tie grip? Thanks

[@cslife6666]

Judo, by removing the two highest probability takedowns in MMA (the closest thing to a real fight) : the double an single leg takedowns, literally castrated itself, so yes, while judo is really good for self defense, it completely killed itself by removing the best takedowns available.

[@escolastico7]

Quais quedas?

[@pullupenthusiast3800]

Single leg and double legs are not the best takedowns available. It’s all context sensitive, double legs and single legs are just more common with American style of wrestling, and mma is mostly American. Look at someone like Islam

[@cslife6666]

@@pullupenthusiast3800 Double and single leg takedowns are statistically the most common takedowns since the dawn of MMA, they are the ones that work most, Islam Khabib and all the dagestanis and chechen fighter are experts in them and that's why they are champions in MMA and that's also why pure judokas that transitionned to MMA aren't as good and few.

[@pullupenthusiast3800]

@@cslife6666 did you not read what I said? They are the most common because it’s an American organization and Americans love that takedown, Islam and khabib use more judo than wrestling. Neither of them have ever competed in wrestling. Islam hits high percentage uchi matas harai goshis up against the cage. Khabib likes ouchi gari and landed osoto gari on RDA. They are both judo black belts. To say one takedown is the best takedown is foolish

[@cslife6666]

@@pullupenthusiast3800 That argument doesn't hold because it's the same statistics in non american organization, on top of that, fighters from all other the world now compete in the UFC and represent a major part of it, so how does your argument makes sense ? Khabib and Islam can hit Judo takedowns BECAUSE they have high level wrestling offense and defense, otherwise, they would not be able to, they didn't compete in wrestling yet both sambo AND combat sambo allows for both double and single leg takedowns. They are the most important because without the ability to use and defense against them, all judo abilities are really hard to implement in a fight against a skilled fighter who knows how to use them.

[@yanwain9454]

mma is the sport where different disciplines compete under minimal rules. you can't just take another sport and say "yeah but what if wrestlers were allowed to shoot a single leg takedown? HA!" .......like obviously Novak Djokovic would have a really hard time winning in tennis if Jon Jones was allowed to poke him in the eye, but that's not what he's training for. if that was part of tennis, then he would train differently to deal with it.

[@joshuarahi4662]

2025 leg grabs will be allowed

[@armanmartikian]

Looking at physics percpective, you’re able to maintain better balance fighting upright. Even when leg grabs were allowed in judo, japanese athletes always had ghe straight posture and dominated the world as they still do :) 🇯🇵

[@marco10832]

There’s no one in the world who will not progress and absolutely love cross training bjj, judo and wrestling. Ask 3 of those experts how to hip toss and get ready for three answers that are awesome and accurate. Apply the one you can do well to your rules and enjoy.

[@Igor-my6ml]

Judo is awesome but everything is helpless against wrestling

[@alexkehoepwj]

I would argue its easier to flow between striking and Judo, than striking and wrestling. Thats the main appeal for me

[@fredazcarate4818]

Chadi you answered the questions perfectly.

[@davidtarantino152]

If knees and kicks to the face were allowed would wrestlers and BJJ guys bend over? I think Judo and Greco stances lend themselves to MMA and all the elements of wrestling and BJJ follow after at least some contact is made.

[@MrCmon113]

You level change the moment you start wrestling anyways. But yeah I guess if you can't do any mma training, it's probably good to wrestle from upright position a but as well.

[@nwolinsP]

Wrestler were helpless on the mat. I would get pinned, but years of training taught wrestler to keep their heads up. This allowed me to choke them.

[@kidbrag7188]

in street fight shirt will get ripped unless its a coat. Winter time judo is very effective. Summertime wrestling maybe . Bend over to pick up , stand & slam. Both are very effective though .

[@Peter-wl3tm]

In summer time a judoka just going to switch to overhooks underkooks and head locks

[@matheuspn2722]

In the UFC, shootings and snatches are more used bc of USA influence, look at ONE for example. And 2, principally bc you cant hit the nape while on grappling nor kick or knee ppl which have their hand on the ground. I doubt ppl would be going so much to the ankle, if we could pounce at the nape :)

[@buildinsilence]

My experience is that judo beats wrestling except against a taller opponent you can’t clinch and you have to grab the legs

[@hannorasmusholtiegel6044]

Oh man, if only judo brought back the leg grabs and some other banned throws. It's so sad to see judo become a sport and less of a martial art fight for a fight. Same thing happened to Taekwondo and karate. Judo needs to return to it's roots.

[@krisswegemer1163]

How many finishing moves do wrestlers know?

[@vegasranger]

Wrestling is probably the most dominant art in the world of grappling. But wrestling requires a lot of strength and cardio. If you lose that strength and cardio you lose your grappling dominance.

[@MrCmon113]

If you mean grappling to a pin then yes, if you mean submission grappling then obviously not.

[@dahoudaha5324]

👍 👍 👍

[@pabloasecas2687]

Cuando yo hacía judo se podían agarrar las piernas y era algo que yo aprovechaba bastante. En mi opinión este cambio de reglas aleja aún más al judo de la lucha real y me parece un error

[@ronin2167]

Single or double leg take downs are easily defended. I recall a stupid incident between me and my friend who was my next door neighbor. He wrestled in high school and I had been doing Judo for about 8 months. He tried a double leg on me and I just flat palmed him in the back of the neck as he shot in. He face planted into the dirt (we were outside). I took off running after that. LOL I actually picked up this move from a comic book martial arts course I bought. ROFLMAO

[@Lexthebarbarian]

Yes, completely helpless if you take off the gi and roll no-gi. Judo doesn't stand a chance. Have seen it myself when top performers from wrestling sparred against judokas. I almost felt sorry for them. A very strong wrestler who gets very good at submissions and digs into it becomes very hard to beat. Many bjj guys have been run over. It is only the absolute bjj elite like Marcelo Garcia and Roger Gracie who show bjj effectiveness against strong wrestlers. But strength, strong muscles and well rounded in submissions and defense against it is hard to beat.

[@nickelmanful]

😂 you've got jokes

[@colemanstarr5404]

I've seen judoka wearing gi do well against wrestlers with no gi. course that's anecdotal, cant speak to averages

[@bruceparker6142]

Look at the sport sambo posture.

[@bruceparker6142]

@@Reflectionmaterial Strikes allowed in combat sambo.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

​@@bruceparker6142i mean, Judo (just like Aikido) was meant to be used against strikes. Just look at videos of Judo throws being used against strikers, they always look so clean! It's because that's how they were always supposed to be used

[@bruceparker6142]

@jestfullgremblim8002 Fair enough, but judo tournaments are strictly grappling and IJF rules do not allow leg grabs. Rules affect the way games a played.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@bruceparker6142 indeed, that's one of the bad things about these sports. But at least they allow the practitioners to use their techniques against good opponents in a safe enviroment

[@bruceparker6142]

@Reflectionmaterial As I understand it, the topic of the video was about modern-day judo vs. wrestling and, in particular, the lack of leg grabs in IJF judo. A question was put on whether the upright judo stance would change if leg grabs were reintroduced. I referenced sport sambo because it's "Russian judo" with leg grabs. When you look at sport sambo, you see they tend to be more bent over than IJF judokas.

[@iamshredder3587]

Why do people talk about inanimate things like judo and wrestling as if theyre living beings that can fight and defeat one another?🤪😄

[@methomps01123]

I always joke with some of the Judo guys that I play with the Wrestling's defense against 90% of judo techniques is just to be mostly naked and kinda sweaty.

[@ruggeddrelouris3597]

But I have a special request, maybe with neil adams helping you lol, could you do a video of the top 5 or 10 judokas in each Europe countries of all time ? ....

[@jackofalltrades8099]

I want to start wrestling or judo. Im almost 30. Which one is easier on the body? Where am I going to get less likely Injured?

[@osmondportifoy6332]

Wrestling against a skilled Judo player reveals ALL of the limitations found in wrestling, just like Jiu Jitsu reveals all the limitations in Judo and how Muay Thai reveals all the limitation in Tae Kwon Do.

[@FFFTonyo]

I would say that the Georgians gave a big warning to those who use a hunched over posture.

[@jonathanmunozespinoza]

En lo personal, el judo es mejor que la lucha en casi todo. Entre las escasas desventajas que encuentro en general del Judo ante la Lucha Libre es el tiempo que toma aprender las técnicas, en ése sentido la lucha es más simple y rápida de aprender, otra sería el enfoque mismo de la practica, me refiero a las reglas de competencia. Quiero aclarar que en dojo donde practico Judo se enfatiza menos en lo deportivo como sí en lo puramente combativo. Por lo demás y la experiencia que tengo haciendo ambos deportes, el Judo me ha resultado de mucha utilidad en mi practica de lucha pero no así usando lucha en Judo, incluso entre los compañeros de lucha que saben que hago Judo y el instructor, me han pedido enseñarles a caer, en pocas academias de lucha se enseña a caer y cuando se enseña es porque directamente fue tomado del Judo.

[@acquiesce100]

Just watched the catch wrestler defeat Ryron Gracie on KZbin.

[@BogalaSawundiris]

Can this work as counter to Ko-Uchi Gari ? or even Ouchi Gari ???

[@Chadi]

I don’t think so, you need to be upright when performing O uchi and Ko uchi, this work for bent opponents

[@ruggeddrelouris3597]

Chadi even though I kinda disagree with you this video I still love all your videos...

[@ruggeddrelouris3597]

Like France top 10 in order, England, Russia, Poland and etc, countries with a small judo pool would get a 1-5 list lol

[@rrhodes16]

Jigotai. It is defensive and slows down attack sequences. Best judokas are flexible going between all stances.

[@LifesNotHereToSatisfyYou]

Pure judo vs pure wrestling depends if it’s gi or no gi but honestly just learn both you don’t have to compete in both but at least acknowledge moves and the mindset for both and focus less in judo vs bjj vs wrestling and more on grappling ur a grappler you’ll use anything grappling related you will use wrestling and judo but if the rules favor judo use judo then if it favors wrestling use wrestling if it favors none use both ur a grappler be happy live happy think positive. Edit: if u learn both u can use judo posture and use wrestling takedown defense or use wrestling posture and use judo takedown defense this the type of thing Gordon and a lot of high level grapplers try to explain just learn to grapple in any rule scenario to improve