Ne Waza Vs BJJ (Technical analysis)

This video analyses the Ne waza of today's IJF Judo, and all the foundations that makes a good ground grappler.
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[@Chadi]

Many people think that in Judo you're only allowed a few seconds on the ground, this is NOT true, as long as the game is continuous and progressing the referee will allow it be it standing or on the ground. Here's a great example. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZojOnHyjl72Jfc0

[@johnedwards4211]

the fact that you have to count on your ref is terrible. Sub only!

[@Chadi]

@@johnedwards4211 Same goes for point players.

[@pauloomss]

@@johnedwards4211 both sub only and positional points are important. You need both to emphasize different aspects that are useful.

[@johnedwards4211]

@@pauloomss goddamnit Im trying to piss people off stop using logic!

[@joatanpereira4272]

@@johnedwards4211 lmao

[@deansander441]

I like BJJs submissions, but I much prefer Judos philosophy. I just like the “Finish it now” mentality a lot of TMA have, I’m also not a fan of pulling guard. Annoys me so much when my BJJ training partners just sit down and butt scoot.

[@petriano1]

Why are you bothered tho?

[@TheMongolianWay]

@@petriano1 I can tell you why I am. It's removing a whole combat dimension when you pull guard. You have striking, takedowns, and ground. I think you need to have both takedowns and ground in grappling sports. Pulling guard also does not make sense from self-defense or any kind of real-world situation perspective. If someone attacks you are you gonna sit down and have someone stomp and kick you while you are on the ground? What if there are multiple attackers? What if they have a melee weapon of some kind? What if you need to run because there are multiple attackers or an attacker has a melee weapon and you're on your back? What if you need to defend someone else? Are you gonna run up to the woman being mugged and sit down next to the mugger? so there are some arguments

[@petriano1]

@@TheMongolianWay pulling guard makes sense, when you know why u pulling guard

[@TheMongolianWay]

@@petriano1 it makes sense with bjj ruleset, but for self defence or fighting. not good. I don't see much guard pulling in UFC.

[@petriano1]

@@TheMongolianWay you don't see enough guard pulling in ufc but that's a skill issue . Ufc fighters are not always the best bjj players .guard pulling ands sacrifice throws make sense when you know how to impose your game

[@chrisasherang]

Judo and BJJ are like yin and yang, they complement each other. It is interesting to see how both grapplers really hone their foundations and how we approach ground grappling differently! keep it coming chadi! you are like the encyclopedia of Judo!

[@Chadi]

Thank you Chris

[@rustyshackleford735]

There's a big difference in philosophy between the two and I personally think you did a good and fair analysis, that's coming from a purple belt in BJJ.

[@Chadi]

Thank you 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@tvskat]

This man just coming out with content consistently.👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿 Much respect. I definitely like this conversation. You nailed it spot on.

[@Chadi]

Thank you 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@eamonob84]

BJJ brown belt here. I’ve been trying to play a more judo-like top game lately and it’s been working great! I love both these arts, and wrestling too, and every grappler should learn all they can from them.

[@lewisb85]

I do both, thing is in my mind the only real difference is there are more angles of attack. My go to move kimura for instance I learnt it as the ude-Garami what BJJ has taught me is more angles to put it on. People criticise judo players for getting caught in “simple” submissions, it’s different the entry angles and approach are different, like there’s a Judo black belt (university of bath) who is a bjj purple belt, I’ve seen him catch armbars on the way down, there’s not a lot of Bjj guys who can do that in the way that he does.

[@eamonob84]

To me it’s more impressive to catch people in submissions that use the basic set ups. It means you are so good at it they couldn’t stop you even when they knew what you were doing.

[@Kwisatz-Chaderach]

Yep. Dude if you rattle a brain with a throw and then immediately get a juji that's 100x better than the wrestle humping for 5 minutes.

[@model84]

Just the footage is gold, not counting the analysis, which is awesome

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@Xtazation]

Im doing judo 16 years now i fought a lot of jiu jitsu guys when i won every time they asked me how is my ground game so good they didn't even know we train ne waza at judo not only that but because in judo everything have to be fast and keep going if not the fight stops and reset so thats why i won these guys in jiu jitsu they take the time they fight slow in judo its way more aggressive and fast

[@anderandersson5229]

This was really joyful to watch! I enjoyed it very much. Thank you for this content 😊

[@blitzthekraken9832]

Great content! I just think the biggest thing is judo is more explosive on everything, submissions, pins, throws. BJJ is a grind game, you literally grind your opponent down to submission, ether in top or in bottom you grind, even the shot is a grind to get them to the ground. Judo says you don’t have to grind, if you throw right you can submit without full control. Practice body position on throw for the submission. BJJ says the perfect throw is never there and once down you need to grind for control, top or bottom, once you have control you may initiate submission. Two completely different philosophies which is why they are two completely different ground games, explosive versus grind. Though I find it odd how a grind game is becoming more appeasing to an audience then an explosive game. I think that is where judo needs to pause and learn, kidos like that grind game way more then that explosive game. And if that does not change, well the future of Judokas will be interesting.

[@MrKahunadog]

You did a good job on this project... people who only train 1 aspect generally fail to appreciate the other. Each rule set develops different mastery. At this point I have 23yrs bjj and 11yrs judo. I'm still horrible at both, but better than yesterday.

[@kaz5150619]

Thanks to u brother im getting into JJIF (check out their Asian championships and World Cup its cool stuff) and understanding IJF Judo properly (im a Newaza / Osakomi addict)

[@beskeptic]

Good one Chadi! You are on fire!

[@Chadi]

Thank you Kleydson

[@dianecenteno5275]

Great analysis!

[@Chadi]

Thank you 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@diegohcsantos]

Very good video! I always leran somethig new about history context. It's make much sense to mee the way you caracterize judo focus as "being dynamical". That explain to me why the "early" (from my bjj point of view) stop of the ground game. What I think that is missing is the respective description of bjj. In bjj the main focus is "finish the oponent". May be this explain to my judoka friends why the "boringness" of the guard-pass game or mount/back/100kg game. I would guess that someony can ask "why thoose bjj guy playing guard does not attempt to attack soon?", the answer is: they try. But the guy on top has a very good defenses for sweeps and submissions. Add to that, as you said, the fact that the top guy is also trying pass the guard (what can lead to a tapping) and will make sense the "boringness". I also like to comment about attacking the turtle. As you said, it's not common to see becouse in bjj is highly avoided turn back to the oponent as you can have your back take and be in a very bad position. But you still see a very good game of attacking the turtle. A good example is Marcelo Garcia. He has a very strong crucifix game and had tapping a lot of high level grapplers with it.

[@musicalcompanion5890]

Great video !

[@Chadi]

Thank you 🙇🏻‍♂️🤙🏻

[@MeroGrumble]

15:04 Historically, *the half guard has not always been a stalling method in judo* . It is a common misconception though it has become true today. You can find a "black&white" example of it being *used to lead to an "X-guard" sweep* in Isao Okano's Vital judo (1976), page 152. Also, in Kawaishi's My method of judo (1963), page 277, the "lockdown" was described as a way to apply a leglock/muscle slicer and *to keep the opponent in place while you apply your chokes and neck cranks* .

[@tettsubushi]

Best explanation I heard was that Judo and BJJ are the 2 wheels on the same bicycle.... the chain is "atemi Waza" and the frame is supperior conditioning and athleticism! Great Work... as usual. OSU!

[@Chadi]

Great analogy

[@matarahmadal_atif9359]

@@Chadi dear coach I have a question... If I learned kosen judo and olympic judo is it enough for grappling or I must involve bjj and greco wristling to my ammo? 💌💐

[@Chadi]

@@matarahmadal_atif9359 kosen is only in Japan

[@mylessinclair484]

Thanks for explaining

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@isalehyan]

Great discussion! I think the KEY difference is osaekomi. Because a pin wins in judo, the incentive is to go to turtle. Being on your back is avoided at all costs. In BJJ, pins don’t count unless it is mount. Because of the rules, Judoka stay on their stomach while BJJ practitioners go to their back to attain guard.

[@Chadi]

That's a big factor as well

[@zachfleming5297]

This is one of the main reasons i dont like judo for self defense. (I dont like any marshal art for self defense) I was always told never to turn your back from your oppent.

[@isalehyan]

@@zachfleming5297 as long as we are clear on what is for competition rules and what is for self defense, we can train both. In my judo club, we teach both.

[@zachfleming5297]

@@isalehyan I like thinking of judo and bjj as a sport so I say sure. My point is many do them for self defense, and train to turn their back to the opponent. Much like BJJ training to do dangerous guard pulls. Its counter intuitive in self defense.

[@pelejahosoba5280]

@@zachfleming5297 u probably don't know what u are saying,just a keep board warrior u are

[@rvfree1]

Good job!!

[@Chadi]

Thank you Robert

[@hazahizabbanzabalawan3815]

Great video

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@sardalamit]

11:10 starting point of some great display! 👏👏👏

[@glennhynes5263]

The turtle is 'bad' but so is constantly going inverted. For true self defense, fighting from the guard is not really a good idea anyway. 50/50 and inverting is not self defensive at all. Great vid Chadi.

[@henrikg1388]

Your production rate is insane, and this video is really poking the hornet's nest, but very fair IMO. The unpopular opinion I will add is that Judo, contrary to mainstream belief, is superior in a self-defense situation. If turtling up is a bad habit, which it is, that is nothing compared to the bad habit of crawling on the ground to begin with, as in BJJ. BTW, sweeping that one-legged guy looks so cruel. Where is that clip taken from? Does the other guy have any handicap as well?

[@ddg-fi5bp]

BJJ as a martial art is a branch of judo that emphasizes the four step system that finishes by submission in the ground. That’s why the guard passing and guard game are so well-developed in sport bjj compared to judo. Also in mma crawling on ur back is way way better than turtle and giving up ur back when ur fighting some good grapplers and got taken down.

[@randallpetroelje3913]

I guess combat is not a sport. Winner takes all. They changed the rules I guess. That’s what I was taught/ thinking. I’m scratching my head wondering on this one. Thanks again for your show.👍

[@Chadi]

Thank you Randall

[@patterson96392]

Now that’s a good thumbnail

[@Boszczak]

Chadi, love your work - please send me a lonk to this music in the background

[@Chadi]

Ronin Jantrax

[@bjjdoug7151]

This is really good, but the no gi started from catch wrestling, and now adcc is bringing the submissions removed from Olympics back

[@kananisha]

BJJ comes from Judo. I think one vs the other comes down to the individual players.

[@Chadi]

It's approaching the fundementals but differently

[@kananisha]

@@Chadi yes sir

[@markusleyer3299]

Depends. If you look at adcc, it really is just a different sport at this point.

[@davida.rosales6025]

Not really. Even incomplete judo is more complete than BJJ which has virtually no standing game.

[@BB-mv9wl]

You could make the same comparison of Judo & JJJ.

[@rollsgracie268]

Marcelo Garcia also his kimono his gi training was the same as his know Gi training Another genius thing about the man keep it simple make it work on everybody

[@Viro27109onta]

great video! wonder if you know about Travis Stevens' opinion about this?

[@Chadi]

He actually kind of agrees, he says ne waza is for judo and bjj is for bjj, different games, one is explosive the other is abput honing and crafting

[@erice5025]

travis have the credentials to answer this type of question! thanks Chadi! good video. And one more thing, one is apple and the other one is orange. which one is more delicious?

[@antonysantiago5661]

In my opinion the turtle is the most important position on the ground. Look at every grappling art and across the board you see that it is critical to attack this position.

[@armaankhokhar7651]

Hey Chadi, nice video. Could you please repeat the name you mentioned at about 11:44, I’m afraid I didn’t quite catch it in the audio. Thanks

[@Chadi]

Buchecha

[@armaankhokhar7651]

@@Chadi thank you, really appreciate how fast you responded 😂

[@rangelo8908]

I personally prefer Judo newaza. Much more dynamic. No boring stalling. Just my opiniom

[@Chadi]

Same

[@MrChanolo]

Hey Chadi, in your opinion in terms of ground game, how competent is a judoka compared to a bjj player. I can imagine that it deeply depends on the rules applied to both sports. Let's say in a pure self defense situation. Thanks in advance and also thank you for your great content. Congrats for it

[@Chadi]

Depends on the level of thr grappler and what rules are they playing

[@williambreen4290]

Is it worth cross training in both if you are looking for the self defense aspects and not the high level competition? Your thoughts please chadi

[@janianb]

Both systems are derived from martial arts but are now sports governed by rules and referees. The training reflects the rules and expectations of those sports. The techniques and technique development also reflect the rules for the sports of Judo and Jujitsu. These respective rules determine what is acceptable and what is not, and the techniques function within the rulesets and the places where this training and competition takes place. This isn't a judgement about the efficacy of these techniques within the paradigms where they are used. Both sports are interesting to watch and to participate in. Within the rule based constructs that exist in these sports, these are very effective techniques. Self defence has no rulesets. There is no referee to save you. There are no forbidden techniques. There may be more than one attacker. They may be armed. Techniques derived from sports development have potential flaws: the techniques were developed for situations where rules apply and referees intervene; the person applying the technique in a self defence situation needs to remember that techniques developed under sport rules expose them to attacks which are prohibited in training and competition; moreover, the techniques which offer more efficient point-scoring are often emphasised in training as the best way to win in competition.

[@janianb]

I should also have mentioned that the sport of Jujitsu follows John Danaher's use of that idea, essentially to differentiate the sport of Jujitsu (a sport with rules and referees) from the martial art of Jujitsu.

[@Chadi]

For self defense, do you need both??? No, not necessary, but if i HAD to pick one it's judo simply for the stand up aspect, in case you want to cross train i suggest you become well educated on the fundementals and basics before adding the other, if you're a beginner in both you'll be overwhelmed, jack of all trades master of none, and recovery will be hell.

[@ebakindeji5941]

@@Chadi Judo is VASTLY superior to the overrated bjj because the later only works on the ground, whereas judo works on both the ground and on your feet, aswell as having legs sweeps and in some cases even strikes. There's nothing on bjj that you can't get from judo.

[@kw23031970]

If you have a judo ref that is very good in newaza / bjj,,,,he/she will be able to see if the so called "stalling" is failing soon and allow the attacker to continue. Let the newaza attempt progress a few more seconds is much better than calling mate to early because you cant see the progress due to inexperience..in newaza / bjj. IJF should increase attempt time and we will see more ipons in newaza.

[@SoldierAndrew]

Patient BJJ newaza good for one vs one unarmed dueling free from third party attackers. Dynamic Judo newaza best for personal-defense and close combat defense.

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@counterkidnapping1737]

How do you get out of mount and side control in self defense situation without getting punched? Do you bridge immediately or secure the position first then escape just like BjJ

[@bruceparker6142]

Quite a few examples if you watch MMA.

[@scarred10]

You dont need to be patient v a non grappler so any grappling is sufficient for self defense so long as you spar with strikes.

[@johnedwards4211]

@@scarred10 until you are defending against someone better at grappling.

[@ronealmeida9596]

Flávio Canto is a judô figther, but also one of the best Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belts

[@KiddReige]

Haha one of my teammates was on the thumbnail

[@Chadi]

Cool! Had no idea

[@counterkidnapping1737]

The woman on the left screen?

[@thejookking]

@@Chadi Who are the women on the left??

[@rollsgracie268]

I was a blue belt in Gracie Jiu Jitsu. I went to Cuba. Long story short. I was allowed to enter a black belt in judo tournament. As a good athlete, and I like stand out but by no means was I. Equal. But I watched Rickson Gracie when he flipped over that guy when the guy tried to take them from legs, he somersault it over him upside down. I somehow learned that and used it, and it works quite well to get out of the flips, because this guy was strong and heavier than me. I had to go with it. On the ground he would turtle and I didn’t know how to destroy the turtle yet. I think I might’ve won the match. It was my first match, but I didn’t speak the language. He was in my guard. The ref was talking and I let go and he sidemounted me. They tricked me . Purposefully maybe not I don’t know but it was tricky. So I lost by a guard pass. He wanted me to stay in QB so I could go to the Olympics. Nice guy I don’t know how he got me in that tournament. I just went down to Someplace and train Juda for a while and that’s what happened not for a while for a couple days Great adventure. I bought some big champions bag that said Cuba judo or something on it and read it was really cool. I hope I still have it somewhere.

[@user-px1md5mt4n]

Чел я знаю ты не поймёшь, да и не посмотришь, я очень тебе благодарен твои видео про дзюдо против бжж они очень крутые

[@ethienosinsky5186]

No gi is fun, but stalling is entirely possible, I had my back taken in training and I defended in turtle for 3 mintutes until the round ended, my partner had fewer submission options than in gi bjj so I knew precisely what to look for when in the gi I would have been quickly submitted

[@somedude6423]

What is the judo move used in the thumbnail?

[@Chadi]

Ude garami

[@somedude6423]

Thank you

[@rollsgracie268]

To me, Marcello is so amazing because I grew up in LA where they hit a lot of information. I would’ve been a champion otherwise. But they were dream killers Hollywood style. So I learned from watching the best. And so I feel like I have a stronger angle on who’s really that good. I’m copying Marcelo was another level past everybody. Just like John Jacques back in the day. I learn stuff from Rickson save my little girls life with that same upside down somersault long story. I learned from Renzo’s watching Renzo’s. John, Jacques, of course. But no one had transitions and artistry and athleticism, like Marcelo, and my mastery of the guillotine. Thanks to him way way before people were doing it.

[@rollsgracie268]

I was in Haiti before that and I took out the black belt judo teacher. But in Cuba it was a different story. These people were trained by the Russians and they’re good athletes. It was game on their.

[@ashemleibakngambamoirangch5416]

What is the name of gullotine choke in judo? Please

[@Chadi]

Mae hadaka jime

[@ashemleibakngambamoirangch5416]

@@Chadi thank you

[@mariogegaj2060]

is in judo allowed to do choke from kami shiho gatame north south choke

[@Chadi]

Of course

[@senseihitmanwayofkempo8305]

Ive been beat by both judo n bjj players over the years n yup the judo players were very busy ne waza seemed n. a hurry 2 get me the bjj tend 2 sneak up on me bjj more patient judo more aggressive both work on me n different paths

[@Chadi]

Exactly

[@rollsgracie268]

I don’t remember how I got them on the ground how that worked out? Did they pull guard I must’ve I certainly didn’t flip him?

[@minkookang1631]

I don't know the ruleset for IJF very well as I'm a jiujitsu player only (for now, i plan to start judo later) and I mean no disrespect but I've noticed judokas even newaza players that they don't seem to escape submissions that are not on tight but opt to tap right away. Are escapes not practiced much in judo schools? I know some clubs and schools practice ground game and stand up on a 50/50 ratio but I've noticed the consistent difference being that the submissions and submission escapes are not very technically up to par but rather, they try to explode every submission. As in, grab a submission they can get and try to rip the person's limb off right fast enough so they can't defend but that doesn't work well in bjj schools that are used to working escapes our entire journey.

[@F2007KR]

In BJJ there is no victory by pinfall, so technical escapes can work. Judo doesn’t give you enough time to escape a pin before the match is called. Elbow escapes and re-guards take time, especially against an opponent driving into you for a pin. In Judo, the attitude is do not accept the pin in the first place. Same thing in Judo in regards to submissions. It needs to be explosive because if the opponent does escape the likelihood of a reset goes up. Also, in BJJ competition, submissions can be ripped and explosive.

[@darylfields]

Bring back old school judo

[@rollsgracie268]

John Jacques Marcelo Garcia it’s a little man Jiujitsu, that’s what makes them so good geniuses only techniques that work on big guys also

[@bushido007]

Therecent masters showed sufficient opportunity being allowed for ne waza. I dont want to see protracted newaza with no development. That can remain for bjj

[@Chadi]

There was a lot of good ne waza

[@rollsgracie268]

I like both. Where is Marcelo Garcia John Jacque Machado. Vinny Magalas Renzo’s Gracie terere

[@rollsgracie268]

I like both. But give it a fair shake where is Marcelo Garcia John Jack Machado

[@johnjackson4585]

could you post sankakujime techniques

[@Chadi]

Like compilation?? Highlight channels already covered that

[@johnjackson4585]

@@Chadi separate compilation

[@stefanianizi1677]

Ehi chadi, there are mma organizations that organize mma matches where the fighters must wear a gi ?

[@Chadi]

No:( there was in the past

[@model84]

@@Chadi Pancration under FILA?

[@Chadi]

@@model84 ah yes but they need a bigger existence

[@model84]

@@Chadi yup, but the problem with it is it looks like classic japenese ju jutsu (fighting formula) kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYe5pHurbNx_g7M or any modern championships nowadays, same as GRAPPLING (under FILA, now under UWW) was just bjj(gi)/no gi(ADCC) that it died naturaly and was resurected like 2 years ago

[@donotstalkme]

Combat Sambo is pretty much mma with jackets.

[@mariogegaj6778]

Is Gogoplata allowed in judo? Kagato jime???

[@Chadi]

Yes

[@junaidyaustero7807]

❤

[@rollsgracie268]

John Jacques took me for an elevator ride. People had no idea what I was up to genius then Marcelo Garcia probably grab that from John jock took it for another ride.

[@rollsgracie268]

This guy was cautious with my guard. I don’t think he knew about Gracie Jiu Jitsu yet but he was smart about that but like I said, I let go of guard because the referee kept talking. I didn’t know what he was trying to say.

[@k9m42]

Newaza is faster paced and more explosive than bjjj with a stronger top game. They only get a shirt time to work on the ground. BJJ is about slower pace and setting up attack strategies.

[@wyattbreymeyer4033]

all the techniques are there at old school style judo dojos, modern ijf schools im going to say no, juddokka refined the stand up game, bjj refined the ground, they both do newaza, bjj now is either guard pulling or freestyle wrestling with very little judo from what ive seen at competitions-mainly no gi, but a few gi too

[@jillurmalik1]

Modern

[@mitchjames9350]

BJJ originated from Judo and has evolved due to influence from Catch Wrestling, Sambo and Japanese Ju Jitsu.

[@ramon1930]

Flavio Canto i think he is not a good point for whatever discurssion of bjj vs judo because he is black belt on the both. He was amazing talented in the two arts.

[@rollsgracie268]

This was in the 90s I imagine 9394 is my guess

[@rollsgracie268]

Khabib even has devastating Counters from high level Street

[@otakuleveledup8458]

Depends on the bjj guys style. Some guys have an og judo like game but as the sport arises and grows away from MMA you find more stylistic games developing such as x guard and berimbolos to using more leg lock games are becoming more popular and is changing the face of the sport which won’t be the wisest choice in MMA. More OG bjj is really good for punch defence and sticks to basics. Judo is super fast old school bjj but they are really uncomfortable on their back and clearly are not familiar with advanced guards.

[@Chadi]

Rickson is a classical example of old school BJJ

[@combatprinciplesmma]

I think also the influence on the number of different rule sets within Jiu-Jitsu can't be overstated. The Advent of submission only has led to very different tactics on the ground as compared to points competition. after that I think the influence of mixed martial arts on the Jiu-Jitsu ground game also needs to be stated. Especially if you're talking no gi.

[@Chadi]

You're right

[@rollsgracie268]

Maybe that’s what the ref was saying carry on like both of you are not trying to get out and finish that’s probably what he was saying let’s get going I wasn’t used to that

[@Kwisatz-Chaderach]

Osaekomi all day. JUDO!!! OSS!!

[@rollsgracie268]

Khabib the perfect balance wrestling judo Jiujitsu

[@rollsgracie268]

They both have a point on the street sometimes things need to be ended fast sometimes you’re in a struggle for your life until the cops come for a half an hour do you need both

[@onerider808]

I feel like judo and bjj are like two tools in my toolbox; similar, but different. Sometimes you need a claw hammer to get the job done, some times you need a nine pound hammer. Neither is "better", just more appropriate at a certain time, for a specific job. IMO/IME

[@arrowverse644]

missing gerbi choke

[@Chadi]

Me too

[@teardropsonmyfallen]

Judo newaza looks wayyyyy more entertaining than the shit show stalling in BJJ now

[@petriano1]

I reaaally feel like judoka's have way less respect for the body of their opponents. In bjj we learn to progressively enter the submissions even in professional leagues. I don't see that in judo.

[@diogenesrodrigo4858]

Japanese Kodokan ne waza ?... ... ... ...😐... silêncio...

[@kaz5150619]

Oss

[@rollsgracie268]

You can thank John Jacques Machado for the half guard game are used to destroy people copying John Jacques figure guys, and then they want me to teach them what I’m doing and I teach them and think why did you show them that. But frankly their brain thought a diamond was a rock. They were just too dumb to get it and be in class and they never use it. I asked them why because it blew my mind they were big guys they would’ve destroyed everyone. They said he only has one hand that doesn’t work for us. Maybe I don’t know who told him that stupid is as stupid does.

[@cancontrl]

Video on competitive Judo's lack of awareness on tapping from both players and refs.

[@Chadi]

I'll add it to the list

[@rollsgracie268]

Unfortunately judo you have to search out for the real thing it’s become such a joke same thing is happening to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu now

[@r.gonzalez-arangolopez8420]

I just prefer Judo. In my mind, there shouldn't even be comparisons between Judo and BJJ. Judo is more complete, especially for self defense. Good luck laying on the ground with multiple attackers. Also, Judo stresses tradition, respect, and discipline. I don't like how informal and childish BJJ places are. Just look at the uniforms too, BJJ practitioners look like walking marketing banners. I prefer an austere, traditional approach to martial arts.

[@theprepbotclubtpbc4274]

Judo isn’t more complete. It’s just more stand up focused. Even so, BJJ practitioners use a lot of wrestling takedowns to get the fight to the ground. Judoka’s have no idea how to defend wrestling techniques because attacking the legs isn’t allowed in Judo. Also, a lot of Judo throws give up your back. That’s the last thing you want to do against someone who practices BJJ. Realistically, a Judoka’s best chance in a fight is slamming a BJJ practitioner and crippling them. They’re doomed if it becomes a ground fight. A bjj pruple belt, probably even a blue belt, would submit a Judo black belt on the ground. When it comes to multiple attackers, you’re doomed either way. Good luck trying to grab someone and throwing them. Their buddies are gonna clock you in the back of the head while you’re getting your grips. Boxers and kickboxers have the best shot against multiple attackers but are probably still doomed. Best thing you can do against multiple attackers is run. Finally, the culture thing is a preference. Personally, I don’t really like the traditional martial arts style where the instructor and higher belts are complete dicks to you and say it’s just a part of “discipline” and “respect.”

[@r.gonzalez-arangolopez8420]

@@theprepbotclubtpbc4274 When it comes to self defense, the focus should precisely be on stand up, as almost all fights or altercations start this way. Because Judo focuses on that, as you explain, it becomes highly effective in such settings. I applaud the fact that many BJJ are recognizing this and are adjusting. However this mentality is not widespread in BJJ, and many practitioner just focus on ground techniques (which came primarily from Judo, let me remind you). I agree with you in that the best defense against a group of assailants is escaping. However, if this is unavoidable, and your life is at risk, better to have proficiency standing than on the ground. A nice throw should killed or maim an opponent, let's not forget. You are right in saying a BJJ practitioner would win a ne waza match against a Judoka. I also dislike Judo competition rules as it renders the martial art less effective. That, however, can be curtailed by a healthy balance of ne waza and nage waza in the dojo. Nage waza being more important, still. I'd wouldn't be so quick in underestimating a judoka's ground game, though. Especially if that judoka trains in the manner I described. Don't forget about Kimura, and many judokas practicing Kosen Judo today. Lastly, yes, the decision of practicing in a "traditional" environment is a preference. I think you are generalizing, though. While there are arrogant senseis and senior students, this does not mean the structure in which traditional dojos are shaped is flawed. You cannot simply expect all practitioners to be disciplined, respectful, and proper. At the end of the day, I prefer this framework over the "bro" and "fraternity like" organization displayed in many BJJ gyms. I've seen disrespect and immaturity in many BJJ places, and the lack of a strict, organized hierarchy fosters these behaviors. The traditional framework exists because it is an effective, proven method of instilling the philosophy of Judo, as well as effectively passing down its techniques. I also happen to like it because of my military experience. Let's not forget that martial arts are a serious matter, therefore the dojo should be a place where discipline and respect are paramount, not a place at the mall where people go to "have fun" and feel entitled to criticize and downplay traditional martial arts.

[@zNicoBlaster]

peruvian necktie?

[@AikidoApplied]

it's all newaza 寝技

[@J3unG]

Excellent analysis that quite frankly, needed to be done and shows what a sham BJJ ended up being. Nearly all judo matches win with Ippon and less with submission because of the built-in reset for stalemates as a result of too much time spent on the ground. Guard position engagements rarely happen in (as you say) dynamic judo engagements because the fighters want a chance to try again and good referees won't let a stalemate occur on the mat. It's bad judo and fighters just tire themselves out pointlessly. In American judo competition, there is an awareness of the BJJ trained fighter who will go for a trip or sweep and set up guard immediately and this is why current rules have been altered to negate the prolonged ne-waza. It takes away from dynamic engagements, is boring and frankly not realistic at all. No one stays at the ground position for very long in real combat which contradicts the fundamental Gracie thinking of the majority of fights ending up on the ground.

[@J3unG]

BTW...please refrain from referring to BJJ as jiu jitsu. Remember that jiu jitsu as a terminology is GENERIC and was around before the Gracies came to Torrance, California. There are many variations of jiu jitsu and BJJ is the latest (and in my opinion, the weakest) of it's development. Please make an effort to refer to the Gracie style as 'Gracie jiu jitsu' or 'BJJ' in its complete form. Frankly, BJJ is an embarrassment to some of us here in California and would rather move on from it.

[@rollsgracie268]

I could be wrong, but I don’t think you have Marcelo Garcia on this video. God bless, but frankly, how do you leave out the genius the only true genius that started this whole charade unless you’re going to say, John Jacques what you could, but my soul, I just took the training wheels off, so you don’t have to have just one hand become a genius wow

[@marcomachado1576]

Sorry but judô ground game it’s way behind BJJ

[@zachfleming5297]

Why do you think bjj is so much slower? I believe there defense very different. I feel you did a disservice to bjj with this analysis. Maybe a collaboration with a bjj guy would be cool next time

[@Chadi]

I did not disrespect anyone, i clearly showed the unique things about it, slower as in compared to Judo, judokas have a clock against them, bjj guys have the luxury to truly craft an escape or build up to a submission etc, it's different mindsets compared, it's not either or Zach. I have 2 great BJJ masters planned to have them on here and discuss more things.

[@zachfleming5297]

@@Chadi sweet! I think that would be great if you got some bjj on. I just felt there's some missing content. I think this could be a 3 part video. So much more different.

[@Chadi]

@@zachfleming5297 I thought of that, but it tends to get dragged out, there's a lot to cover i know, but in terms of fundementals they both have them. I know bjj has a lot of new guards and sweeps, but i stuck with the fundementals.

[@jdacata5126]

You have to watch a Judo match compared to a BJJ match. Judokas are looking for the big throw to get the Ippon which wins them the match, if a throw is a lesser score then an Ippon then it may go to ground but in Judo you can’t stall on the ground like you can in BJJ. That’s not an insult it’s just a different rule set.

[@chrischiang1512]

U want slow judo like BJJ? Watch Kosen judo match

[@user-ic6qg8ol3c]

As allways a lot of mistakes And you make everybody wrong thinking about comparing judo to bjj

[@davida.rosales6025]

BJJ and Krav Maga, two of the great self-defense scams of our times. I'm going to guess you're familiar with both.

[@johnedwards4211]

This video shows how little Chadi knows about BJJ. Clearly you just do judo and are bias, but comparing them is crazy. Apples and oranges! There are way too many rules in judo to even think they can compete in submission grappling. Hence why you don't see them compete in sub grappling comps. When was the last time someone held you down for 6 full mins and would not let you up? Just because japan invented a lot of these moves does not mean they are perfecting it.

[@davidlee1279]

This comment is beyond ignorant, lmao...

[@Chadi]

I love how a 20 minutes explanation went right over your head. This video CLEARLY states "let's celebrate differences" and also approaches the ground fundementals like guard play, sweeps etc but differently in the context of their own game, one is looking for that clean kill and one takes their time to set it up, this isn't either or, or which is better...smh

[@johnedwards4211]

@@Chadiyou said nothing about why they are different other than "Judo is all ippon" why not about the rule differences! or lack of rules in BJJ. Judo doesn't allow MOST guards because they slow the match. OR Why not talk about how the game changes when you add closed guards and triangle body locks (judo banned) OR why not talk about how the time limit on judo ne-waze in judo changes the importance of ground game. I can go on about the whys. your video is all about what you can visually see different, not why.

[@johnedwards4211]

@@Chadi oh and your title is BJJ VS NE-waze. versus = is in opposition to, or against. so don't tell me your celebrating the differences with a attention grabbing title like that.

[@Chadi]

@@johnedwards4211 vs can also mean compare 🙄

[@JEFFMAN90]

Do modern day Judo schools teach Nawaza. From what Ive seen online it appears like they dont. Many Judo matches I seen online on the IJF youtube page do not have a lot of subs or a ground game

[@guilhermeferreira8288]

Great vídeo!

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@guilhermeferreira8288]

@@Chadi Hi Chadi, have you heard about Judo de Bastos in Brazil and Sensei Umakakeba? it is probably the most traditional judo school in Brazil and they still train 50% newaza and 50 Tachi Waza, training for 3 hours, very hard.

[@Chadi]

@@guilhermeferreira8288 uichiro umakakeba??

[@guilhermeferreira8288]

@@Chadi YES, Tiago Camilo Sensei's

[@Chadi]

@@guilhermeferreira8288 I wish there's a lot of footage