Are Kyuzo Mifune's fights fake?!?! Ura Waza discussed 三船久蔵の裏技

[@anthonyluisi7096]

I agree …Mifunes students are not letting up on him . Mifune is pure technical genius ..it’s definitely not fake ..

[@kaizenproductions00]

It's not a fake rehearsed routine, but neither Mifune or his students are going all out, though.

[@JayPleezer304]

@@kaizenproductions00 exactly...and im a rookie to judo and even i can see that

[@johnduncan2144]

A few years ago I went to a seminar by kashiwazaki who was 65 at the time.He was demonstrating his style of judo throws. In all my years of doing judo I have never seen anyone come close to that 65yearold guy for power,technique and speed .It was obvious that he still trained hard and could still be a handful for anyone in randori.

[@justinwallace269]

Agreed. As a smaller, skinny kid, I had to learn to ride the wave when it came to bigger kids throwing me. People joked about me being able to fly like a kite because they'd keep throwing and I'd keep landing on my feet. Even that simple childhood experience speaks volumes to me about the effectiveness of these techniques. I can see where this comes from and how evolved Mifune's method is from that basic dynamic. I like Rokus and Ramsey, no offense to them, but based on my observations of them fighting, both are somewhat uncoordinated and clumsy looking. They wouldn't have the response time to understand this. And 100% looking forward to your talk with Shintaro! I've learned a lot from his channel too.

[@wsherwin1392]

I like the term riding the wave perfect

[@TheJpmaster69]

Ramsey analysing mifune is like a kid Who didnt pass elementary school math analysing a university professor with a phd in mathematics

[@chozer1]

how do you ride a throw without being thrown. tell me the secret plsease

[@wsherwin1392]

@@chozer1 countering this movement is done with Ronrokyuwaza

[@justinwallace269]

@@chozer1 Not much of a secret really. The guy grabbed me and tried to hurl me in a particular direction, but instead of resisting it or trying to pit my strength against his, I jumped in the direction I felt him throwing me and landed on my feet. He tried to do it again and I jumped again, this time pouncing on his back right after landing. We're talking about a schoolyard brawl between kids here, not a martial arts competition. It just takes good reflexes and intuition like in any sport, nothing magical. This master here took the same concept and learned how to defuse multiple complex throws, which just shows you how good he is.

[@adrianluna9541]

Yes, the footage is 100% legit. I think a lot of people fail to recognize this is classic Kodokan Judo. This style of Judo has more movement, is more dynamic, less grip fighting, and more about continuous attacks than today’s Olympic Judo. I feel this form of Judo is better for self defense. There is not going to be any grip fighting in a self defense situation. The person is going to be grabbing, closing the distance, kicking, punching…chaos. And you have to create order out of it. That’s why this form of Judo is better for self defense, it’s not two guys standing fighting for an inside grip, it’s two guys moving, attacking, countering, escaping your attacks, etc….so you have to continuously adjust to the scenario. Rokas, I’m sorry, he’s just a poor martial artist. It annoys me that he tried Judo one time and suddenly he is putting KZbin content out there critiquing it. For those who feel strength is more important, they need to realize using strength in training typically leads to injury, especially if the training partner is also using strength. You get injured or somebody else gets injured and then one or both of you isn’t training. Is that true “Ju”? The focus should be on, like Mifune, performing good technique. Not go 200% and focus on getting the techniques and principles correct, not on strength. I wish this style of Judo would return and be popular again.

[@tichtran8792]

Actually Rokas had a ACTIVE judoka to criticise this video. I forgot his name. A guy with not only a judo black belt but also bjj purple belt, wrestled in college, as well as training in karate.

[@dixienormus8231]

Well done 👏👏

[@1mataleo1]

Very, very good points. I agree completely. Obviously, if someone’s goal it to fight in mma or become an Olympic Judoka, training may focus more on strength and grip fighting, but for self defense, the method used by Mifune is superior. There is no reason to go 200% during training and risk permanently injuring yourself when your goal is to use the art against an enemy that doesn’t train Judo. I think people overlook or fail to realize how helpless people are against throws if they don’t train in a throwing art themselves. So in my opinion, if the goal is self defense, then training to polish your technique (safely) is much more useful than risking injury by pushing your physical limits and training to use counter throws and advanced tactics in order to compete with high level judokas.

[@RadicalTrivia]

I appreciate that you addressed the criticisms on this Mifune footage. It annoys me when people say this is fake, because they're not paying close attention. Mifune's technique is so close to perfection. When watched in slow motion, and paused, his weight distribution is always exactly where it needs to be to cost his opponent maximum effort, and often to no avail, while he does nothing.🤯 I try to incorporate this into my jiujitsu. The other day, I was called both "a magnet" and "lava" (because you don't have to move fast, but you have to move or else you die). I honestly believe that all of the "invisible" techniques are the highest level, and agree that if you haven't felt it, you just don't know. People like Rickson and Henry Akins use this as the basis for all of their jiujitsu, which is why everyone says that they're so different from many other experts.

[@dianecenteno5275]

Agreed! People who are advanced in any art,will execute the hidden or invisible subtleties that make a huge difference between a good technique and a great technique 👌

[@hencayt]

What many people do not understand, and this unfortunately also includes a lot of judo people, is the difference between randori and shiai. I would describe this as a scale with four marks or maybe rather regions: Kata, yako soku geiko, randori and shiai. In kata, which you can see Mifune demonstrate in some videos, the techniques are predetermined and this is good for getting real good techniques and suitable for demonstrations. In yako soku geiko, both are free to choose techniques, but there is an agreement that they will take turns to apply every other technique. If player A throwed player B, the next throw will be done by player B. In randori, there is no agreement like in yako soku geiko, both players are free to attempt their techniques at all times. However, your choice of techniques are adjusted to your opponent and it is a game of give and take with the purpose of both getting better. Shiai is competition, thats when both really attempt to win. Most of the videos with Mifune which people who do not understand judo claim is fake is really a rather soft randori when soft randori is at its best.

[@coloneled2831]

Very well explained, thank you!

[@johnpauljones9310]

Boxing is very much the same way. When I was a teenager I wanted to learn how to box, so I went to the gym. A 60-year-old former boxer (who was a trainer there) stood right in front of me and told me to hit him. I jabbed, I crossed, I threw uppercuts, and straights but I hit nothing but air. He wasn't jumping back or to the side or ducking in feet, he was doing all of it in fractions of inches. Each time I threw a punch, he slipped it ever so slightly and because of his footwork, he countered with a "tap" to my liver, chin, temple, nose, gut, kidneys... letting me know at any time he could have sent me into a coma. To me it was magic and just left me shaking my head in awe.

[@henrikg1388]

Completely correct. Basic boxing with a guard get you a long way. You have to master that before you go into the more dangerous dodging.

[@breannestahlman5953]

What they call fake is a form of trainning that you practice with the elders: you just move and fall, following tori. It is their trainning, and you can "sacrifice" one rendori to let them train at their level.

[@ca1498]

Couple of points that I did not see already below: (1) There is a type of defense against forward throws where you lift your legs backwards and straighten your body making it horizontal (see it during the first throws in the video). It is like sprawling, except you already lost contact with the mat, so you are sprawling on your opponent's hips. Your legs' weight is between a third and half of your total body weight. When you shoot them backwards while being thrown, your center of weight shifts back and can move outside of tori's base. So tori cannot finish but has to put you back down. I guess we don't see it used today, because judokas rely mostly on hip check prior to losing contact with the mat. (2) The other defense we saw later (yoko guruma) we don't see today, because per today's sport rules the throw "succeeded" if your back touched the mat, even if your opponent lost control during the throw, and you chose to ride it, to sacrifice, and to roll your opponent across your body and come on top. So, this defense is not rewarded in today's sport judo rules, but is awesome for BJJ. Your opponent will at best get an advantage for the attempted throw, but you will land on top of side control. Sometimes the referee may give you the two points for a takedown or sweep.

[@joserosario5134]

You said it! He had done Judo his whole life so he was able to see mistakes in his opponent's techniques plus all Mifune had was, body positioning and Tai Sabaki with the correct posture and relaxation allowing him to have impeccable timing!!

[@quincyfeliscuzo602]

It only shows that Mifune sensei has a great understand of the mechanics of the throws. And has found ways on how to avoid being thrown.

[@richardschatz9992]

There is something else here that I haven't yet heard discussed. When Mifune defends he appears to me to be completely relaxed. When the upright body is relaxed, its weight trends to drop toward its center of gravity. This adds stability, especially in a throwing situation. Also, when the body is relaxed it tends to move in segments instead of as one rigid body. Segment number one must move before segment two, etc. Trying to move someone who is adopting this relaxed positioning can be very challenging. As Chadi knows, this kind of movement skill is part of many aikido systems. It appears to me that Mifune has mastered it as well.

[@KoRNeRd]

In fencing you want to relax your index and middle finger. Just tightening those two fingers gives the sword control over your shoulder, hence body, instead the other way around. The same applies in judo grips.

[@richardschatz9992]

@@KoRNeRd I learned the same thing in aikido class with regard to katana and jo gripping. I'm assuming you're referring to Western fencing; interesting that that would also be the case in that art. Appreciate you sharing that, thanks.

[@adrianluna9541]

He is absolutely relaxed. Relaxed Judo is good Judo. A lot of people today want to use power and strength. They are stiff as a result. When you’re stiff you aren’t sensitive to what your opponent is trying to do. That’s why Mifune can counter so easily. He’s relaxed and anticipates everything the other person is doing cause he can feel it. It’s magical and takes years and years to perfect. People today just want to muscle it all.

[@KoRNeRd]

@@richardschatz9992 I have mostly experience in kendo and iaido, most aikido is inadequate with respect to weapons, unfortunately, some are not though. This concept applies to western hema and sport fencing as well. It is just biomechanics.

[@wsherwin1392]

Correct dead weight is hard to move.

[@jaraman9]

Great study as always Chadi- you make my off the mats learning easy :). I have only studied judo formally for 2 years and have been a student on Jiu Jitsu/bjj/bjj for 13years. Obviously some of this footage is Kata/demo of counters. But even the randori footage biomechanically is very sound. The clip with the ippon-seoi nage counter where Sensei.mifune hops around to the controlled arm side and gets a same side hook to negate resistance is almost a no-brainer. the beauty of bjj and judo is that we don’t have to “BELIEVE” we can just get on the mats and work it to see if it works. :) and that’s the FUN of it friends. Safe training everyone

[@jaraman9]

Ps: jaraman9 aka GoodKarmajiujitsu

[@NaeemKhan-se3ev]

As a fighter you can see the old man is NOT a Fake😊

[@shadowfighter6445]

It would be really cool to learn and spar with someone who has done judo as long as Mifune Sensei. Thank you for sharing ☺️.

[@wsherwin1392]

I have done judo for 50 years. Come play!

[@rylandjohnson7821]

It's not a question of 'fake' V 'real'. This is NOT shiai but randori. That's the first point. Mifune sensei was an elderly sensei, what would be achieved by young men throwing a man his age? There is a code in judo, a way of respect and education. In these clips his pupils are thrown, they are genuine throws but within the bounds of randori meaning no resistance to a well performed throw. As a young man Mifune was a very competent fighting judoka. Age is age and despite myths age is a process that no one controls nor prevents. Please think, young men three times his weight, ten times stronger and faster with lightning reactions. If they made real shiai with mifine sensei and they lost it would say much more about them than Mifune. I saw a clip of mifune sensei making randori with European top fighting men like Palmer and the giant Blooming. Let's just say correct respect was shown at all times to Mifune sensei as it should have been.

[@rylandjohnson7821]

@@nightmarehound3931 Randori is NOT a real fight. There is zero score. Randori is an opportunity to test waza on the move no one wins nor losses. A "Real fight" is shiai, shiai is a pseudo killing of ones partner by gaining ippon.

[@MrMZaccone]

I studied briefly with Helio Gracie in the late 1990s. I saw similar situations develop when he was sparring on the ground with students. I once saw an athletic student in his 20s or early 30s working with Helio on the ground who became very excited when he seemed about to get juji gatame on Helio. As he sat back for it, Helio found a space for his arm to slip out and rolled into the student's movement. The Student ended up nearly throwing himself onto his own head as the arm he thought he was about to lock slid through his grip and suddenly seemed glued to the mat. It looked like some sort of magic trick and much like the "invisible" judo referred to here, or in that case, "invisible" Jiu-jitsu. The look on the faces of many in the room said, "Um ... What just happened?"

[@yawaragirl]

He didnt earn the title, God of Judo for nothing ,he has been my hero for over 30 years ,I got the canon of Judo about 25 years ago first edition cost me a fortune ,still my favorite book

[@Chadi]

The book can be found in the description as well

[@EC88838]

Thank you Chadi, great take from a practitioner.

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

The first time I watched this footage I found it mindblowing. Many years later, I can only say it looks even better the more experience you have.

[@stefanschleps8758]

Thank you Chadi. It is weak to disparage the dead. Mifune 's skill was real. Others, of mediocre skill, will always be victims of jealousy. Isn't Ramsey Dewey, a purported martial artist, been robbed in China by crooks armed only with a knive or gun,several times?! That says very little for his reputation, let alone alleged skills. And the other, young man, the former Aikido student? He is not one to speak about what is possible or not, having suffered his own ignorance for over a decade. Neither of these two men have ever achieved great skills, barely that which is mediocre. They should understand that humility leads to wisdom, they would do well to concern themselves with the mountain that is before them. Thank you for sharing with us that which is genuine. All the best. Laoshr #60 Ching Yi Kung Fu Association

[@larryzach7880]

Those who have never been in grips with one of these guys will never understand; you have feel the unbelievable perfection to even vaguely understand. They are so soft and easy going every time they throw you it's smooth as silk, but when you attack it is like trying to unbalance a door jamb or a tree. You can't really understand until you have experienced it.

[@hamadalrowaie6882]

Well when you are young you depend on your muscles when you grow up and become wiser you depend on your mind !! These two old masters are healthy and chess masters !! Five stars !! 🖐👺

[@fredazcarate4818]

I agree with your assessment. 100%!

[@skyedog24]

Thank you for your dedication to jujitsu randoria is not fake. To the contrary it builds muscle memory.

[@jlogan2228]

not fake, but more like this is a respectful demonstration. nobody in here is going to go ham and super hard on the elderly master and make him.look foolish or give him to much business. its a fantastic display of his skills and we can all strive to be as active and fit i to such an age as he was int his video, but lets be realistic with ourselves, the other black belts are trying to help him look good too

[@beskeptic]

Amazing Chadi-san! Thank you!

[@quincyfeliscuzo602]

Thanks for this.

[@quantumkrav881]

Yes, so tired of people comparing everything with what happens in a mma cage. MMA is not Self-Defense. Yes training MMA helps when you have to defend yourself but going toe toe is a very very small portion of what can happen in the street. If you don't train to be 'sport' specific against a gun holdup, knife attack or multiple attackers you are delusional about your ability. Also not all rolls are full tilt. As Chadi said why do people appreciate the skill of Jiu-Jitsu flow rolling but can't see the same merit when craftiness is displayed by an older master? Rediculous how arrogant and narrow minded some supposed 'experts' can be. Respect is what is lacking in many modern martial arts

[@furiousfellow1583]

BJJ and MMA are getting very popular, which is good, only drawback are the annoying casuals who dont realize are casuals who try to measure every art by their little MMA world

[@varanid9]

When I was young I fought another guy who did Judo. I only did TKD and didn't know the first thing about Judo, but, after being thrown a few times, I was able to instinctively go with his force just the way this guy is doing in this video and was able to keep my feet. Later, through experimentation, I found that if you relax your body like a limp bag of potatoes at the right point while being thrown, you can often cause the person throwing you to lose balance. No reason to think this is "fake" unless one is ignorant of what is going on.

[@kouki9934]

本物の武道家は年老いても強いのです。弟子達がわざと負けている訳では有りません。考えれば分かると思いますけど、学ぶ事が無くなったら独立するでしょう。日本人は教えてくれた先生よりも、強くなるのが恩返しと言う考え方も有るのです。

[@peterbriggs6693]

I watched this tape 100 + times before judo class. coming from boxing to Aikido, Aikido changed my life. when my boy was 6 years old we did judo together. I see his judo-like Aikido, he is a great master.

[@JeanMichelAbrassart]

It all depends what you mean by "fake" and "real".

[@christophervelez1561]

Rokas thought it was real. It was Shintaro Higashi said it was “controlled” not necessarily fake but definitely not a hard sparring.

[@anthonyjulianelle6695]

I was active in judo from 1965 to about 1980. Mifune was a God to us. These videos were made in about 1956 when Mifune was about 75 years ago. I am in awe of Mifune's skill, coordination and core body strength, especially at his age. You can't fake holding up an opponent in kata guruma. However, his opponents are not going all out. It is unthinkable that any kodokan judoka would go all out against Mifune. It would be disrespectful. The attacks against Mifune are half hearted and broken off early. There are no combinations or defense shown when Mifune attacks. Mifune remains a God to me but I have to be honest with my opinions here. To say that his opponents are not going all out and are cooperating with Mifune is not being disrespectful to Mifune. If anything, it shows the great respect that they have for him.

[@7outofthebox747]

1) Those are not fights. 2) The guys are going easy with him, out of respect as they should. It's an old man. 3) He is showing techniques and they let him do them at a particular speed and tempo, with a controlled level of resistance, so his brilliance will shine as it should. There is nothing fake, in that sense. They are not claiming that the students are giving it their all and he did not tell them to fake anything. This man is a master of his art, and all arts are best at particular speeds, and against particular attackers. Judo can be actually applied by an old man against such dynamics, not more; that is real. Case closed in my opinion.

[@cassiooctaviani473]

Agree 100%. This is not randori, it is a demonstration. Nothing fake about that.

[@shaunclubberlang2887]

Actually I think Joe Rogan is a big fan of Mifune. He can see it's not faked. I watch this stuff and can't see how he does what he does but I know he does it. Absolute mastery of technique, timing and balance.

[@TheSymeister]

I trained in Goshin-Jutsu with a guy called Peter Wray for few years in Bideford North Devon England. I think he was about 68 at the time and we all used to try and catch him out when he was demonstrating techniques with sneaky moves. Never once did any of us succeed and would end up in a lock, hold or on the floor in pain every time lol. He was only a little guy, built very much like Mifune, but his technique was devastating. He used to be in the navy and learnt Goshin Jutsu in Japan. He was one of only 3 Westerners in the class to make it up through the ranks. Can’t remember what grade he was. He had an old VHS tape of Mifune, which he used to lend us, which showed Mifune throwing around a big American guy over 6ft. I can tell you right now Peter Wray never got any of us to fake anything to make him look good. He didn’t have to, as he was that good and he said his level was nowhere near that of Mifune. So I’ve witnessed these little guys who’ve trained in Japan who’re now old instructors and experienced their skill level first hand. I’m a little guy myself, though was into weight training at the time and very strong and muscular and it made absolutely no difference against Peter Wray who could destroy me with little effort. I had also trained in Tae Kwon Do. Though had to give it up due to a recurring hip injury that became aggravated with repeated high kicking. So switched to Goshin Jutsu, which is way more effective in a fight. Was nice though still to have the Tae Kwon Do skill set so I could through in some range fighting also. So if Peter Wray was that way then Mifune would’ve been even more so. The skills required are subtle so as you said not easily perceivable unless you’re up close and experiencing it yourself first hand.

[@EzeHSK]

I'm not a Judo guy, not even a grappler. My main style is Choy Lee Fut. But I've trained throws and locks and to me it's quite obvious this is just a very high level of skill. Mifune was a 10th dan who started back in the early days of the Kodokan. He must've sparred with thousands of people, of course he knew how to position himself, when and where to pull or push to avoid being thrown and throw people. Of course none of us was there but it's not like he had something to prove at that late age. I'm all for healthy skepticism but sometimes they take it too far. I'm surprised Ramsey Dewey said this was fake considering he said he met an 80 something year old Taijiquan master who could lock and throw him with ease.

[@petkoterzievbackupchannel]

So you are going to have a discussion judo match with higashi, nice. Let us see who will come on top. 😎👍

[@AzazelDHFrost]

This footage messages me cry. That level of mastery is almost lost these days. It's beautiful to behold.

[@QuantumMechanic_88]

That's quite a claim. Interesting video.

[@fromsamuraitoscience7184]

Many of his videos are Yakusiku geiko and other forms of training methods often used in judo; they are often either types of agreed upon practise or similar forms where uke has spesific tasks of what he is supposed to do, how he is supposed to react etc. People who don't understand that should rather go and read about judo training methods first before commenting.

[@AbdulrahmanAlKuwaity]

I used to watch this legendary tape when i was 15 and study it before going to practice Judo every day.

[@jtilton5]

I Look at Mifune Sensei's Judo and it reminds me of Aikido. (Though I admit that I am a bit biased. My style of Aikido is the style of Nishio Sensei who was a 6th Dan in Judo and had trained with Mifune Sensei.) I have pointed to this video before to say "If you think all Aikido is fake, then is this Judo fake?" and sadly it seems some people say "Yes." (Perhaps this is yet another reason I hve to say I do not have any respect for Rokas.) By the way, if Osaka is going to be your home for a while, you might enjoy visiting Kunio Yoshimoto Sensei's dojo in Shiga. I believe it is called the Shoshinkai, He is a very good Nishio Ryu Teacher. And if you are planning to live in the Kanto area The Warabi Aikido school where Takao Arisue Sensei teaches is amazing.

[@sushinfudoshin8991]

Great video. Always a joy to watch these old footages. From my personal experience, whenever I sparred with my teacher, there was a kind of respect-lock which prevented me to attempt certain things. This was purely subconscious. Another part of me didn't want to give him the slightest impression I was about to "fight" him...difficult to put in words. Interestingly this only happened in Nage waza, in Ne waza, I was able to go match further with my intents and techniques. Note that I am 6ft1, 215lb while he is around 5ft6 and 160lb

[@stemun4084]

My first teacher was 4th Dan 66 year old little guy, ex army, i was 5'11" and 17 stones and he threw me around effortlessly (Jhon Hunt) , after years of training he was still so far ahead its as if these people are two legged cats that can swim in concrete, i would like anyone who claims this to be fake to go ANY Dojo that practices Judo and ask a black belt to show you what you want to question.

[@quantumkrav881]

Yes, so tired of people comparing everything with what happens in a mma cage. MMA is not Self-Defense. Yes training MMA helps when you have to defend yourself but going toe toe is a very very small portion of what can happen in the street. If you don't train to be 'sport' specific against a gun holdup, knife attack or multiple attackers you are delusional about your ability. Also not all rolls are full tilt. As Chadi said why do people appreciate the skill of Jiu-Jitsu flow rolling but can't see the same merit when craftiness is displayed by an older master? Rediculous how arrogant and narrow minded some supposed 'experts' can be. Respect is what is lacking in many modern martial arts

[@jackfisher1921]

I totally agree with you Chadi. I spent the better part of five years training Judo when I was stationed in Japan. My first assignment was Misawa Air Base in Aomori Perfecture. I trained with the Japanese Third Air Wing Judo Team. They were ranked third overall, in the Japanese Military, with about 20 men ranked Shodan to Godan. The person in charge of the base Dojo was a Rokudan. The city also had a dojo that had Shichidan in charge. When we went downtown for practice it was nothing to have over 100 people on the mats. You could tell the rank of the person when they threw you. There was a distinct difference in the speed, power and control of the 4th & 5th dans when compared to the 2nd & 3rd Dans. And there was a distinct difference between the skill of a Shodan and the 2nd & 3rd Dans. You would hit the mat and make a loud cracking sound when thrown by the higher ranked Judoka. Like cracking a whip. There were no fake belts on the mats. If you were ever given the honor of being able to randori with a 70 year old 8th Dan, you didn't disrespect him and go crazy. You did real randori. At which point he would hand your ass to you. And you would learn some really valuable techniques. These guys who look at film of an 80 year old 10th Dan training saying it's fake have no clue of what authentic training is. Most of them don't even know the difference between a throw and a takedown.

[@CuchulainAD]

He was a master simple as that ... And the people commenting need to shut up and train especially Rokas and his nonsense.

[@moonsdonut5188]

I used to like Rokas but now he's talking crap just for fews

[@CuchulainAD]

@@moonsdonut5188 He always talked rubbish from a position of ignorance...the blind leading the blind

[@MrMarcmaster]

It is perfection in reading movement, it is also a lecture on momentum and realism .

[@combatprinciplesmma]

I guess the only criticism I could find is if and how much the film is edited. But anybody with a decent experience exposure to grappling Arts understands what they're seeing is legit

[@Gieszkanne]

I have read that a nickname for Mifune was "the empty jacked" thats give a glimpse of his skill and his reputation.

[@pasteghost428]

Chadi I appreciate the work you do here on your channel. After 12 months of doing research on the topic of Budo and Bujutsu, I came right back here and do not spend anymore time on those Martial arts KZbinrs that frequently misunderstand and slander the other Japanese arts. Recently I switched gyms from a BJJ academy to a local judo school that teaches all waza with a self defense focuse. I couldn't be happier. So there's my thirsty simp comment

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@divadrelffehs]

I don't think Rokkas or Dewey are saying that his skill isn't real, just that people see this and mistakenly believe that Mifune was handling these guys at full speed. They're not just giving it to Mifune, they really are trying to throw him and not get thrown, but they're also not going at competition intensity and he wouldn't be able to keep up with the intensity.

[@EthanNoble]

Neither was mifune. He wasn’t even tired

[@wsherwin1392]

A waza of heaviness. Remember the top and the geo . This is how inertia is off set. I trained with a Pedro's student and he wouldn't let me practice my uchi komis. Using this waza

[@haraldodunkirk1432]

It’s very clear what it is: Sensei-effect cooperative sparring with students; younger man providing movement and a degree of resistance; older expert using muscle memory and sharp technique.

[@maxsette80]

Man this old man is so good. . .really nice to see.

[@cahallo5964]

Ramsey Dewey said that we should study Kyuzo Mifune's videos, he said that he even teaches riding throws. Shintaro and Rokas were the ones most skceptical about those videos.

[@scottharrison5734]

Free flowing judo but mifune balance sence timing incredible.He small light so he can ride throws counter change direction quickly use to own vhs showing training fights with students mifune one of kind true master

[@Renku07]

The thing is that judo actually works. It's not a fake martial art like aikido or karate where those guys must let their body, in the case of aikido, get thrown; or in the case of karate, let their punches forever in the air so the sensei can grab it & proceed with the technique (of never forger the kia). Mifune was master of a master martial art. Those throws work whether his students collaborated or not. His smoothness & technique is undeniably. Great work, Chadi, as always.

[@essexaikidodojoshoshinkan3150]

I really enjoy watching the videos of Mifune. This type of light Randori is common place in Japan. My primary art is Tomiki Aikido, Toshu Hikitategeiko is practiced in a similar fashion that teach counters and combinations. We can't practice like international competition at every session. We need to look at the video as a historical technical account of judo. As someone who is in their 60s. I still practice Hikitategeiko, but do not kid myself that I am going beat younger competive players. Sadly its called the ageing process.

[@non-stopnewaza9266]

Looking forward to the discussion with Shintaro.

[@eliastrenardgarcia2105]

Thank you very much for this video.

[@MatthieuSCHREK]

Wait, I am the only one amazed by the move (Uki waza) at 5:00, how Mifune seems to use the strengh of the opponent to swing close to him ?! He's floating towards him ! Well, now I understand better the name of the technique. That's just incredible !

[@jaeyoungkang5951]

I don't think Ramsey Dewey ever refuted Mifune's ability to go along the momentum of throws - I distinctly remember he even made a video about the usefulness of the techniques involved. Regarding the basic theme of this video (strength vs technicality) I mostly agree, with one caveat: there is a point where strength / size beats everything (whether that point exists purely in human vs human conflicts is a matter of debate). There's a reason we can't wrestle an elephant bare-handed.

[@inototen]

Yeah the video title is "Float like Mifune" this one right here: utCY6YRnycw

[@stuartpaul9211]

Japanese drill randoori is a lot different to here in the UK. Judoka here see everything as competitive, where as randori in Japan is about letting each other complete the technique, especially if its a dan grade training with a lower grade. its more about flowing the drill.

[@peterbriggs6693]

I like what you do and what you say, good job.

[@jimlasswell4491]

Chadi, good job as usual. Starting Judo in 1967 I never heard anyone refer to matches as fights. Randori was certainly never a 'fight', nor was shiai. The rare individual that would intentionally damage an opponent was weeded out pretty quickly. Kumikata was neither as aggressive or injurious as what I see today. I'm not aware of Mifune ever participating in Shiai, but of course he could have. Kano though was of two minds on that subject. He wrote of and pressed for Jodan Judo, rather than Gedan Judo, so Mifune, because of their relationship might very well have abstained.

[@Chadi]

Thank you Jim

[@kaizenproductions00]

I'm sure the students were actually resisting Mifune during randori and I'm sure Mifune did legitimate defenses against throws. However, the students weren't using their full intensity or physicality. They were trying to work on the technical aspects of their Judo and you can't learn that when you just brute force your sensei into the ground.

[@timwiggins3795]

Remember just because we're masters of any systems.doesnt mean we can beat up the whole world 🌎 ain't going to happen so my martial arts brother and sisters.please stay humble and meek with respect

[@Yoandrys23]

It's fake? not, it's mildly cooperative and his students are not going 100%? definitely.

[@aluisiofsjr]

20%.

[@scottage_teaches_jujutsu]

My favourite part of this footage is his ultra casual yokowakare!

[@georgewilkie3580]

BRAVO, CHADI, BRAVO!

[@lumri2002]

He really mastered his art well at ripe old age.

[@scumbagbrocialist5885]

"You don't roll with your 70 year old coach full force like you would with a 20 year old competitor, therefore your martial art is fake"-- Some BJJ KZbinr probably. Seriously though. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Please stop with the apologetics to other martial arts youtubers.

[@tribalman9668]

It’s training, a young mma guy will go to train with him and will do exactly the same, try to learn as much as possible, which is exactly what the Ukes in this film are doing…… doing anything else will be a waste of time and plain stupid…. He is not performing questionable techniques but solid ones that have been proved over time, the same one that are used in any other fighting scenarios… his technical skills are clean and plain genius… you can tell that they are not doing pure randori but more like a sparring, more of a reflex developing drills when one person attacks and the other defends both allowing themselves and the opponent to perform to the best of their abilities… that’s is done in every other fighting sport and martial arts… just try a successful kata guruma at that age and then go and criticize…

[@johnsealy831]

As a 2nd degree Black Belt, 27 years younger than my 6th degree instructor, I would usually purposely allow him to throw me in randori, in case he hadn't already. I did this from a sense of gratitude and respect, and because I wanted him to look good in front of his other students. And, this didn't require any obvious "fakery" on my part; I simply had to recover a little too wide after one of his attacks, or step an inch too far forward at a crucial moment; none of his students would suspect. I suspect that some of that may be the case with Mifune. But, consider this: every Judoka has a repertoire of techniques they perform. Some have only one technique. Most probably have three to five. Mifune's repertoire though, is virtually the entire catalog of Judo techniques. When that is the case, you can't move in any direction when you randori with him, because there is always a technique to take advantage of that movement. He may be old, and small - but, you still have to move. And you won't be able to do that.

[@frederickmorton275]

it is a legit randori session but most likely Mifune's students did respect his older age and were not trying to over power him with their physique(as most of them are at least 15-20kg heavier than him) but are trying focus more on their technique and timing. Its a light technical randori - as it should be when younger and heavier practitioners are sparing with 80+ year old Judo Sensei. Ive noticed that most of attacks against Mifune were single attacks, there was no faints or fast transitions from one technique to another. Like Chadi had said at this this age to be fit to do any kind of excercise or being active its a success alone. Now do I believe that 80 year old mifune could have won with experienced good black belt judo competitior that was 20kg heavier in the actual rough competition? No I dont think he would.

[@timwiggins3795]

Just look at the colors of the belts his fighting with.them students fake is not what it people just jealous of talent.everyone has gifts and skills

[@kenwintin3014]

Having done randori with numerous high ranked , older judoka at the Kodokan, Yokohama Budokan and other private and police dojo, I can attest that the only limitation placed on you when you randori with them is that you not use unreasonable technique that might cause injury. If you do and they are injured, you will not have a good day. As an older judoka now, I agree with you totally. I find that my best defense now is often slight movements with the hands. I slight change can totally stop a technique.

[@thejanitorssweeps5883]

My one thought on this is I started doing judo 30 years ago I never achieved this kind of fluidity but after a while I achieved what I saw a high ranking judoka do in my early training and that is make it impossible for any judoka to throw me if I was intentionally resisting.

[@s.a.j.johnson]

100% real. I do aikido and play at judo. I'm not good at throwing, but I can ride the throws of plenty high-ranking people like this since most people use muscle instead of really taking my balance. You can feel them get mad because they keep missing throws. I've had folks try to rip my arm off with so much muscle. Balance! Control of center of balance!

[@tariktimsiline2617]

Simply being able and capable of evolving that way at an advanced age should already give the answer to the question if it is true or fake .... Fake would rather be the fact of a practice that would not be possible anymore when getting old...

[@SoldierDrew]

When men believe themselves to be great but still can not achieve the level of ability seen in the truly gifted, those men then claim out of frustration that the truly gifted are fake. There's nothing fake about Mifune's movements nor his students' efforts.

[@CuchulainAD]

Well said

[@joeandorian7719]

When you experience people who have done deep study in their martial art, far beyond competing, you do not forget it. Most people will not be able to see these things.

[@sayhitosteve2785]

Priceless art looks like a simple painting and is unmoving to the dull witted.

[@thomaskourkoulis8527]

mifunea tai sabaki is flawless. students said it was As if you were holding an empty gi one moment, and a rod of iron the next. It’s like the students could never set up a throw correctly to even be able to execute it

[@dominicrossitto5890]

Keyboard Warriors: they know everything about everything. 🙄 Do they not understand the concept of practice and that is what those old clips are?

[@dojima24]

I don't get all the people getting all butt hurt about the video. It was a demonstration. What's wrong with it. Plus he lifted his appointment off the ground NO STRINGS. To get to that age and lift ANYTHING heavy is a Blessing.

[@Fateinmotion]

This is gold

[@MarioLamRedRebel]

🥋 OSU 🥋 Respect greetings from the Netherlands

[@mikeyKnows_]

They didn't go very hard on him it was a light randori, Geesink could've overpowered him on pure raw strength but what they were all learning technique and theory.

[@PHATT_TV]

Great video 👌

[@lucapaniconi2940]

The footage was taken with an old camera, maybe some details simply wasn’t cached, but Mifune movement are rich of little but important details. Simply who criticized him maybe hasn’t the education to see them.

[@maitrekano]

hello Chadi great video as always , i understand why you are doing it , but in my opinion you shouldnt be so defensive about the Mifune randoris , it doesnt matter what people think , you know and i know the power of judo , Mifune is my sons hero and he admires him not for that randori section but for what he accomplished in judo all his life , the legend said he has never been defeated , true or false ? we dont realy know , the importance is the myth and what he symbolyses . have you seen an old western movie called " the man who killed Liberty Valence " in the end of the movie a reporter ask his boss what to print ,and his boss replied " between legend and facts , allways print legend " for me and for all the judokas around the world he will allways be called THE 10TH DAN . i think thats says it all . would like your insight about my opinion if you find the time , and thank you for your work about our beloved art .

[@mauri_ice663]

Mifune was 100% technique. Literally a God. If you dont understand this, u dont know Judo and JuJutsu.

[@davidxoomer3806]

... it must be a very sophisticated kind of gyaku soku geiko.

[@scarred10]

I would agree,both helio and mifune are being allowed do their techniques in these videos.Its just respect for elders.

[@holidayrap]

A disciplinary level that is everything short of levitation should be the goal of any serious martial artist.

[@nicholasneyhart396]

Why do people think this is fake? Every combat sport has light technique practice like this. I have had practice like this in wrestling, judo, bjj, boxing, karate, hell I've even done MMA practice like this.