The lost arm locks of Judo (rarities)

[@RenegadeRanga]

Old school Judo is epic. I think one thing that cannot be contested is that once competition becomes involved or the focus any given art becomes seriously diluted.

[@user-tz1fd1hl8t]

Chadi you are awesome but everytime I see "the lost" anything on Judo I get sad because nothing should have been "lost" especially in 2020. You are great

[@henrikg1388]

Yes, it is very sad. What has been lost from Judo gets picked up by the BJJ community and used under their less strict ruleset. I have never seen or heard about the Te-Gatame from the BJJ world, but they will pick it up (maybe through this video) and claim they invented it (and by they I mean the hotshots with "Gracie lineage").

[@Chadi]

Thank you so much

[@rodrigocrispim]

Mifune doing leg lock at the end...man...with all respect...He was a devil full of knowledge!

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@tombruno7438]

Very nice video of the possible arm locks in Judo.

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@natet.5738]

The more I watch, the more I’m convinced that Judo was created by a creative big brother, “Hey little bro... come here. I wanna try something :)”. I had an older friend like that and I seem to remember one or two of these arm locks and some laughter after. Then what did I do after, “played” with my brother.

[@Chadi]

😂😂😂

[@K1NGBR0ADN4X]

I'm a black belt in jiu jitsu (bjj ) and I've been using the udehishigi-haragatame arm lock at 2:40 from side control for years. I didn't know that was a lost technique. My dad who was a catch wrestler taught me that, so it's really cool to see the similarities between arts.

[@channi58]

Learned many of these in early 2000s from my japanese sensei. Goood times drilling one on one for a year or so. An amazing memory. These actually work in ramdori but you must practice them alot First! Thanks chadi.

[@K1NGBR0ADN4X]

@@channi58 I agree with you drilling is very important. Most people don't like drilling one to five moves with high reps for 1 to 1 and half hours these days.

[@channi58]

@@K1NGBR0ADN4X amazing memories drilling over and over for hours and eventually kicked in during randori even against bjj guys....judo has everything stand up and ground! Judo is life!

[@K1NGBR0ADN4X]

@@channi58 judo is amazing and yes I have those memories of drilling as well. I took judo when I was younger too and that's what put the drilling mindset in my head. It's an amazing art and has a more positive culture than the bjj scene in my opinion. Great talking with you brother!

[@channi58]

@@K1NGBR0ADN4X God bless! Love to hear judo is more positive. It is very humble compared to bjj.

[@Lift_these]

Greetings Brother Chadi is it possible that you share the videos you uses in your presentation, so that those of us that share the same love for the art can further our studies in the art with you ? Thank you Brother. 🙏🏾

[@xworks7]

Thanks for the note on Kensui Jime... Hahaha You're absolutely right! Great vid, as always... Man you're the best Judo researcher ever!! Do a video with 50 things about you, your education, etc. Can be cool if we know a little bit about you, I guess. Cheers.

[@Chadi]

Thank you Pablo, possibly in the future

[@junkerjorg2157]

Allways very interesting.Thanx Chadi

[@Chadi]

🙇🏻‍♂️

[@trungthanhduong4856]

Thanks Chadi!!

[@kempbrown6163]

The sorcerer is rare, but has been used multiple times in Bjj and MMA. Chadi, the forbidden armlocks like waki Gatame were legal not so long ago. Maybe you would like to do a video of the highlights and specifically the last straw that forced the rules to change? I know there were waki Gatame specialists at high levels before the ban

[@scarred10]

There has been a standing wakigatame famously used in mma by shinya aoki in japan.The only one in recorded history.

[@Chadi]

Waki gatame is still legal, only in ne waza

[@mameawsuwalee5294]

Happy birthday Chadi Wish you all the best :)

[@Chadi]

Thank you but it's on the 23rd

[@m5a1stuart83]

A few of this techniques I learnt it from Judo Self Defense. Those Kesa Gatame, I learnt it in Judo Newaza, the rest which I dont know. We never done those. Good documentations like usual.

[@Chadi]

Thank you Neji

[@rustyshackleford735]

Some great moves here.

[@Chadi]

Indeed

[@philosophiaentis5612]

Chadi, once Robert Drysdale is doing a documentary about the roots of Jiu Jitsu in Brazil, I think you can show him these videos and documents to guide his research.

[@Chadi]

We need had a talk, it's on my channel

[@SwordFighterPKN]

Dang I have never seem most of these but i get into many of these positions all the time! You have to wonder when Judo was first created just how mean it actually was.

[@Chadi]

INdeed

[@sebastianmuller804]

Thanks for uploading!

[@Chadi]

You're very welcome

[@NorthernMtnMan]

8:30 is not from Yoko Shio Gatame but starting from Mune Gatame

[@dianecenteno5275]

Thanks Chadi!

[@Chadi]

Thank you Diane

[@Momsspaghetti777]

This is the only video of this size I’ve seen with no dislikes

[@Chadi]

Thank you I try

[@garyharper4188]

You spoke too soon. There is one now! Probably someone being contrary.

[@arrowverse644]

if you ude gaeshi but on newaza situation, so it’s okay. the italians call it “la armadilla”

[@Chadi]

indeed bro

[@roninnotasheeplikeyou.2631]

Nice! Thank you for sharing!

[@Chadi]

you're welcome

[@funky_frankyfunky_franky704]

Well researched!!! Thank you!! 🤙🏻

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@philosophiaentis5612]

Chadi, you have to create your own judo gym focused on all these lost techniques. More important than following the IJF rules, is preserving all that forgot knowledge. Have you considered studying japanese and go to Kodokan and Kyoto?

[@Chadi]

I have considered it, once I get the funding In need, I'm going.

[@Dumplestiltzken]

What does kujiki mean? I love that udegatame ude kujiki as a counter to the double under pass

[@kakomirai050]

Kujiki mean breaking. Kujiki and hishigi have the same meaning. These are represented by the same kanji "挫". Hishigi is represented as "拉" outside the judo world in Japan.

[@Dumplestiltzken]

@@kakomirai050 thank you!

[@Lexthebarbarian]

Hey, Chadi! Is the bjj lock, omoplata a judo lock originally?

[@Chadi]

Yes a variation of hiza gatame, around 2 minutes and 10 seconds mark. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqCwqWyVpbyFm5Y

[@markdaniels4178]

Yes

[@drowjack]

8:14 "Cop Kimura"

[@esmaeelsamhan8161]

When you say lost.. i always feel sad how IJF destroyed Judo! Where did these armlocks go? Are they all banned?

[@Chadi]

No just not practiced, you can still pull them off

[@esmaeelsamhan8161]

@@Chadi but they are still within the curriculum of kodokan? Btw I have a question. Does the kodokan agree on banning several techniques such as moroti gari? Were they involved in that in the first place? Are they decision makers in terms of competition?

[@kyle9648]

I study the Kyushin Ryu Style of Jujutsu and we have around 30 variations of arm locks both from standing and sitting. For us there are 6 sets of 4 arm locks that are in the order (straight, bent, bent, straight) and are all done sitting.

[@Chadi]

that's awesome

[@kyle9648]

@@Chadi kzbin.info/door/Ljx-eIX3vXa30Ho25OepHg Is the channel for the style

[@Rastarandie]

Waki gatame is my favourite underrated joint lock.

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@tichtran664]

Hey Chadi the more I watch your video the more I am convinced that catch wrestling borrowed a lot from the japanese(as in submissions). Including what looks like a fujiwari armbar. Goggle it if you don't know what it is.

[@form_7wrestlingman810]

How do i set up a wakigatame armbar?

[@Chadi]

from any escape would be good, like Mifune

[@eliastrenardgarcia2105]

Hello. Where can I find the complete video of the two judokas doing the te-gatame and hara-gatame demonstrations?

[@Chadi]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHmtYoBpndl3pK8

[@danieltalamantes3763]

1:00 another technique I'm going to steal from mifune

[@Lift_these]

I will be joining your patrion..

[@cicchitellialessandro4237]

I’ve saw these leverage in some competitions. Are they legal only on the ground ?

[@Chadi]

Yes

[@joatanpereira4272]

I'm gonna use those on BJJ😈. Thanks a lot, Chadi

[@dianecenteno5275]

They will not like you🤣. Train hard and good luck!

[@garrikenglish1332]

If you practice BJJ , You have been doing Judo moves all along. Pal.

[@joatanpereira4272]

@@garrikenglish1332 I just started BJJ, I'm a judoka, man

[@Chadi]

Unleash hell

[@gavinsiah6573]

Bjj plus judo, god mode. definitely gonna have a edge

[@kakomirai050]

I think Kensui-jime is included in Kodokan Tsukkomi-jime. I think Canto choke is included in Kodokan Katate-jime.

[@Chadi]

I would call it Hasami myself

[@kakomirai050]

@@Chadi Hasami-jime is this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4DKfYRtjNOFadU Its alias is "Katate-maki". I don't think it is Kensui-jime or Canto choke.

[@kakomirai050]

When I think about it, I find that Katate-maki and Canto choke are in a sense the same.

[@henrikg1388]

Yes, the Te-Gatame (meaning the one from standing position) was my favorite surprise trick. Amazingly easy to pull off when the opponent doesn't know that you can do it. When did they ban standing kansetsu anyway? When I was most active and competing in the early 90s, there was no such rule. Or may there were and nobody knew about it. I thought that happened only two-three years ago.

[@kakomirai050]

Standing arm locks were banned from 2018 fully. Te-Gatame form standing position (Ude-gaeshi) was ambiguous about this. Ude-gaeshi has been banned since 2020 clearly. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6O5h3-PrJeDrZY

[@henrikg1388]

@@kakomirai050 Thx. It used to be that everything not explicitly forbidden, like Kani Basami, was allowed. Now it seems the opposite.

[@Chadi]

standing Kansetsu especially the jumping can cause instant injury, some people would drop on the elbow directly, no room to tap

[@henrikg1388]

@@Chadi Well, you can roll over and you can submit vocally. I remember Judo as a gentlemanly sport. You would never actively harm your opponent.

[@skipskiperton4992]

Are they not practiced anywhere in Judo?

[@Chadi]

Yes but rarely

[@arrowverse644]

i’m here for ude gaeshi so let’s see it hahah

[@Chadi]

Enjoy

[@chrisgk7494]

Why is this illegal from the standing position?

[@joatanpereira4272]

It's too dangerous, and everyone would use that all the time. Competitions would be like: dude gets a collar grip; **boom** the other dude does ude hishigi ude gatame/tai gatame ude kujiki/ude hishigi hara gatame ; **boom** dude's arm is broken.

[@chrisgk7494]

@@joatanpereira4272 i doubt it's so easy to pull off, was there a time when it was legal in competition?

[@joatanpereira4272]

@@chrisgk7494 Well, I don't know if has been legal, but trust me, it is easy af to pull off. And the problem is that in competition people only care about winning, and not really about their opponent. So if it was legal, competitors would just get in the position and "drop" themselves, putting all their weight on the opponent's elbow and thus breaking it. In the video there's a clip of Mitsune simulating it 2:22.

[@chrisgk7494]

@@joatanpereira4272 maybe I misspoke, my thought is that is not easy to get in that position in order to execute it. If is so practical wouldn't we see it in an mma setting for example?

[@joatanpereira4272]

@@chrisgk7494 No, because it's easy if one of the fighters is trying to get a collar grip. In no gi is way harder.

[@kakomirai050]

Ude-gaeshi is not Hansoku-make. It is just Shido.

[@marceloisoni9158]

There is nothing lost about thouse armlocks. I've been practicing them since I got into judo.

[@Lift_these]

You should be identified as a Professor in the study of the grappling arts…

[@bnusabeel]

and Gracie family called it brazillian

[@Chadi]

Not a chance in hell

[@markdaniels4178]

Bjj or Gracie jiu-jitsu is judo and Japanese jiu-jitsu

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@markdaniels4178 yeah, and Japanese Jujutsu is pretty much Sumo but practiced with a gi and weapons haha

[@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4LNmJidmqeUkK8 Here again the happy Japanese killer sensei! Ashi gatame variations, keza garami and ushiro keza garami , I try those all the time when I roll bjj , it's good to learn how to do them since the legs can be stronger for braking , it needs a lot of technique and details to control those.

[@Chadi]

Yes agreed

[@marcosviana7274]

The lost technics was called jujutsu jiu jitsu Judo is a part of old jiu jitsu Who create judo was a jiu jitsu master Thats it All this technics jiu jitsu still doíng Why só dificult understand? Kosen judo exemple Begining jujutsu have a lot technics include punch lock kick all dieta game To dele defense u can imagine

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Yes indeed most of us know that already, but remember that this is mainly a Judo channel, and this is also a video talking about Judo, not Jujutsu. Imagine someone makes a video about Kesa Gatame not being used a lot in BJJ and someone comes saying "Kesa Gatame is still being done in Judo, BJJ comes from Judo, why so difficult to understand?" Do you get my point already?

[@kompana08]

6.31 !!!