Chael and Ariel Helwani disagree on Ronda Rousey in the UFC Hall of Fame

[@qesajs]

1 on 1, 2 on 1, or 5 on1 i make em all need 9 1 1 - The Greatest Chael Sonnen

[@kiisu74]

I think the quote is, "One one one, two on one, five on one, it doesn't matter; they're all gonna need nine one one." But yea, the greatest Chael Sonnen

[@TheRunner999]

Pretty sure you meant the greatest, Artem Lobov

[@bluecollarboys6294]

We are not here to take part, we are here to take over! -Kenny Florian

[@joshh6376]

@@bluecollarboys6294 I don't give a fook - Royce Gracie

[@dynamic283]

Here after he got charged for attacking 5 people in a hotel.

[@Avean]

9 out of her 12 wins in the UFC was by armbar and thats the problem. She was a Judo champion who overwhelmed a league of women who had no idea how to defend against it. She acted cocky and mean towards everyone she faced and when she finally met one person who could defend against it (Holly Holm) she was destroyed. Her kicks and punching abilities are that of a white belt. Then she retired .......

[@Zero-wy2gx]

Avean I definitely agree with you Ronda wasn't really a well rounded fighter and her striking was horrible.

[@ronmoore8609]

I'm not a Rhonda hater in the slightest but your point is 100% spot on

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

Actually, she only fought 8 times in the UFC and went 6-2 in the UFC (her other fights were in Strikeforce and other leagues). That's a Hall of Fame career? My ass. Going into the Holm fight, all you heard was Ronda's 12-0 record going in. Holly was going in 10-0 and absolutely nothing was said. And yes, she proved that she's just a garbage human being. Her arrogance and diva behavior was truly disgusting.

[@odog1234]

Amanda Nunez smashed her then retired

[@Nicole-rj4xz]

Chael Sonnen is the Hall of Fame.

[@hitman-ls8lc]

Great Britain M he is 100%

[@jackjones4408]

Damn right!

[@NikhilThakur-ll3xc]

Chael is the mma

[@Herlock110]

Never lost a fight in his life. If that doesn't scream Hall of Fame then what does?

[@adrenochromejoe7448]

The best mic skills in UFC history. His fighting career is only decent.

[@hamzaaman]

Chael should be the successor to Dana.....

[@Inialator0]

Dana said he was going to be at some point. As you may guess that isn't exactly gonna happen anymore

[@ArminEghdamiDrums]

Agent Utah why isnt rhat gonna hapoen anymore? Did something happen between the two?

[@Inialator0]

They aren't on the best of terms right now to my knowledge

[@Dead_ham]

Eh, I don’t think Chael would be good at making a decision as he is always playing all sides.

[@ryanfitterer6456]

He would be worlds better as would Ben askren.

[@damvid21]

Here's an interesting fact - there are 12 champions in the UFC and only 6 of them won their belts by beating a defending champion (TJ, Max, Tyron, Stipe, Rose and Amanda).

[@DynamiteDB]

Wow that’s crazy. I had to think about that lol.

[@perfectcuremt]

Props to those guys.

[@dragon672]

Spidey Sense Great post. Mc nugget made it impossible for a longtime.

[@mgrraity9552]

your comment have nothing to do with the video..... but WOW I didnt even realise

[@preciouslouis7634]

Khabib, Cyborg, DC, Montana, Whittaker, Mighty Mouse

[@ufcfan8038]

You never reveal the secrets of the business

[@luke692]

Thank you - let’s make sure we never forget what Rogan did!

[@supertrooper3870]

The Undertaker's real name is Mark Calway. Oops!

[@JoshKing530]

If the fan boys can’t see what is going on with Colby then nobody should tell them. They’re probably WWE fans for the most part.

[@00BillyTorontoBill]

luke -i ve missed the back story about rogan... what did he let slip that he shouldnt?

[@Charlob]

Joey Diaz gave birth to Khalabib

[@peoples2296]

Is Mighty Mouse not hall of famer worthy because he hasn't beaten a UFC champion? Same logic as you're trying to use. Faber didn't beat a UFC champion either, in fact he never held the belt at all.

[@ramonvargas6865]

Peoples Hernandez right, but Faber was a pioneer of the smaller division and former wec champ, which kind of translates as a ufc champion in some ways, he was one of the biggest draws in the bantamweights division

[@Rednada88]

dj and faber can fight though. ronda has the striking skills of cm punk.

[@coreyhuppe4241]

Don’t think he would say the same about Jose Aldo

[@jblechan]

Then why did she defend that belt 6 times including several KO's she has better striking skills than Holly has ground skills that's for sure

[@peoples2296]

Jonathan Lechan I'm guessing you didn't watch Holly Holm's last fight

[@ryangunderson3552]

"That's the thing with 5 divided by 30 -- no one knows the answer." -American Gangster 2018

[@samuel3253]

Gangster math

[@samuelgates693]

Chael Sonnen is the only male in history to never lose one single hair. Biggest arms, biggest charm, and the best head of hair undisputed

[@floatinggoose9197]

Nobody is even allowed to disagree with Chael, or else you get 6 mins minimum.

[@Warex06]

5 divides by 30 is 0.17 rounded to the nearest cent. It’s 17 cents a day to have to hear this guy talk

[@Ryan-ix6dt]

UFC hall of fame is a joke. They need a mma hall of fame

[@charlest5604]

Agreed but it would have to be sponsored by someone outside of the UFC. Otherwise Fedor never gets in

[@adam7mma]

well it basically is because Sakuraba is in the UFC hall of fame

[@thatguysalbbl3270]

they'll need to add Gina Corrano she was the pioneer before Rhonda

[@nicholasoneal1521]

@@adam7mma Sakuraba won a UFC tournament

[@bigvicz]

100% agree with Ariel, she should get brat of the year.

[@Luminary2024]

BigVic Ronda is not champion material. She’s a sore loser that should have had the heart and the determination to get back up.

[@loganm7122]

oh yes Bra of the year... Vs miesha

[@GAZAMAN93X]

@@Luminary2024 You beat the champion then you're champion material.

[@Chris.3791]

I am NOT a Rousey fan But she deserves to be inducted.

[@yourdaddy.956]

Chris Hock no she don't... If you're scared of fighting the best of the best.... YOU should NEVER be INDUCTED

[@treroney4720]

Chris Hock It's an interesting discussion. But I agree. She is one of the best mma draws of all time. The sport is on the map now and partly because of her

[@fidanrexhepi2121]

no way hell no fuk no

[@Chaelsonen]

Chadwick... who did she not fight? cyborg? she fought and lost to the current champ, and basically everyone they put her up against for her long run as champ. IF the best example you have is a fighter from another weight division its not a good one

[@brizwaldjonson]

I mean there wouldn't be a women's division without her, so yeah.

[@Wallyworld30]

In baseball and football therer is a number of years you have to be retired to be in consideration for the HOF. I think this rule is important in case that athlete decides to come back out fo retirement. How many MMA fighters have we seen retire and then later come back and fight. Shit didn't even Chael retire at some point? MMA should have a 5 year wait period because it's pretty stupid to have someone inducted to the HOF fighting fights.

[@davidpierce9949]

Marty Moose Absolutely couldnt agree more!

[@mikesantini65]

No I think it hypes the fights up who cares when a guy gets in I'm more outraged when clear Hall of famers are not put in and have to wait like T.O. even tho everyone and their mothers new he was going to be in and should had been a first ballot!!!

[@mtdyl911]

Gina Carano = True Pioneer

[@scottallan7931]

mtdyl911 better looking and better actor too

[@kekszakallusplumber4091]

Gina Carano = Quit fighting faster than Ronda.

[@mtdyl911]

Your A Total Idiot

[@ilovechelseafc8080]

at least she fought cyborg

[@honeyandlavender_]

Kekszakallu’s Plumber And...?

[@Tikimohn]

You're not a hall of famer when you've fought less than 12 times, and never recovered from a loss.

[@kiely4561]

in every other sport the Hall of fame is named after the sport its honouring, its ridiculous that in this case its the the organisation, there should be an mma hall of fame for the pioneers of all the organisations

[@testmate6681]

make one then.

[@kiely4561]

what do you mean make one? lol

[@Deevon667]

kiely 456 do teams not have their own HoF? Are jerseys not retired? UFC absorbed the pioneering brands and most of those pioneers went on to fight in the UFC, making them eligible. I do think MMA needs a hall, though, if only for unbiased induction

[@kiely4561]

guys like Fedor will never be able to be inducted which is a massive shame considering he's one of the greatest heavy weights ever to grace the sport

[@Hikinggamer23]

kiely 456 nfl hall of fame ncaa hall of fame not football hall of fame

[@kimjong6980]

If Matt Serra can get in the hall of fame then we might as well put every fighter on the roster in the HOF

[@grahamsulekfishingrodbuild4169]

Kim Jong 69 i agree

[@ramonvargas6865]

Kim Jong 69 artem lobov

[@kellykernaghan4381]

Kim Jong 69 hey man tyrannosaurus' arms are funny enough for HoF

[@Ryan-ix6dt]

Exactly it’s stupid. It’s like Dana is the only one choosing who gets to be in the hall of fame

[@punchoux1]

true what a joke he beat GSP with a lucky punch and that s it he doesn t deserve to be in HOF

[@bruceleroy7193]

Ronda beat everyone they put in front of her except the last 2 but she beat the people that beat them (Miesha-Holm & Cat-Nunes). Ronda isn't the greatest of all time but she was the 1st dominant female fighter in her weight class. Matt Hughes got lapped skill wise by the welterweight division but he still and rightfully so gets his props.

[@kellykernaghan4381]

Holly holme deserves the accolades much more.

[@yomo1690]

Kelly Kernaghan thats ridiculous. Never held the belt, lost to a fighter rousey whooped twice. Nah i like holm but nah. It even took holm 2 rounds to beat bethe and rousey ko'd her in 36 seconds.

[@wrestler-kickboxer2524]

yo mo So you're basically saying Rousey is better than Holm even though she got iced by Holm and looked like a beginner in their fight? 😂😂😂

[@yomo1690]

Wrestler- Kickboxer First female athlete to compete and win in UFC First former Olympic medalist to hold UFC title Longest title fight finish streak in UFC history (6) Fastest title defense turnaround in UFC history (56 days) between UFC 168 and UFC 170 6 ufc titles defences 2nd and 3rd fastest finshes Espn fighter and female athlete(x2) of the year 12-2 Put ufc into the mainstream And one of the main reasons UFC sold for 4 billion. Had shitty trainer, bad tactics in holm fight. Trying to hard to please her dumb fucking coach. I like holm though. You might like her more personality wise but more deserving of HOF. Not a chance.

[@wrestler-kickboxer2524]

yo mo Yeah but Holly is a way better fighter, plain and simple. Ronda is important for the sport yes but her skills are limited. She's also probably the greatest female grappler in UFC history but thats not enough. Is she HoF worthy? Yes, but for her contrubutions to the sport rather than her skillset because based on skillset, Holm, Nunes, Cyborg, Shevchenko, Joanna, Rose.

[@yomo1690]

Wrestler- Kickboxer thats royce gracie out of the hall of fame then. Put holly and ronda on the ground and watch how one dimensional holm is. So by your argument rousey achieved more with less. Even more deserving then.

[@judomorgan5530]

I do agree that she didn't do anything to help the next generation & she didn't beat a champion but neither did Royce Gracie. But he changed the world, and so did she & that should be recognized. I think she has a hard heart and needs to warm up but she is still hof worthy

[@Daniel.Miranda]

Jacob Morgan royce is the first tru champ they used to fight multiple times in one night to get that belt

[@judomorgan5530]

Daniel Miranda I agree he changed the world and showed them if you can't fight on the ground, then you can't fight. And the womens divison was weak when Rhonda fought but that isn't her fault. She made the sport bigger. I hate her attitude but she earned the hof

[@ramonvargas6865]

Jacob Morgan sucks that she won't even come close to the elite level of competition now like Valentina, holly or amanda

[@judomorgan5530]

Ramon She beat Meisha, Meisha beat Holly. She beat Cat, Cat beat Nunes....Still the most dominant champion

[@judomorgan5530]

Daniel Miranda No shit?

[@mattc.8887]

Ariel loses to the bad guy yet again

[@kriscerrone3446]

I don't see a way Ariel could ever defeat Chael in anything.

[@macwagg]

But Chael has never lost a single round EVER... Or a single Argument EVER!

[@teabag8798]

as a matter of fact chael never lost to that filthy animal anderson, as far as anyone whos not retarded is concerned, chael retired as mw champion.

[@kingzoltan]

I still can´t believe Ronda is in the Hall of Fame and Frank Mir isn´t.

[@springfield03sniper]

Uncle Chael, the GOAT better get to the HOF.

[@Matt-ve3ql]

Richard Dixon a lot of guys

[@balloonnoo]

17 cents a day. Ariel and the Bad Guy. Good deal.

[@riedstep]

That math lesson at the end caught me off guard

[@gidmanone]

0.1666667

[@andrep1784]

close enough with 15c i guess. he is even good at math ;)

[@beeseebee_]

"That's the thing... no one knows!"

[@nicholasoneal1521]

@@gidmanoneLIAR

[@MrElephantBeach]

They gave Aldo the belt when he got to the UFC as well, so you could technically say the same thing about him. And for his second run he won the interim belt against Frankie who wasn't champion at the time either. I don't like Ronda but if you're defending the belt against all the contenders they throw at you, that's good enough for me.

[@waitingisfun]

Ronda reach the top not on her own hardwork; Dana dan Joe Rogan pushed her there. She doesn't deserve it. Nunes, Tates, and many others fighters fight their way to the top.

[@JohnDoe-ly6bt]

chael is hall of fame in my book

[@ramonvargas6865]

Gambling Degenerate if ken shamrock was inducted, for sure chael deserves it

[@JohnDoe-ly6bt]

if Ken shamrock was inducted, the entire UFC roster should be inducted

[@billychapman5221]

Gambling Degenerate true

[@fencefirst2722]

Gambling Degenerate lmao

[@ramonvargas6865]

Chael has never lost an argument in his life, not even a paragraph or sentence, he's the goat of predictions

[@RyTrapp0]

The problem with your argument, Chael, is that it applies EXACTLY to Jose Aldo - and, it's because their respective divisions never existed until they(and the other fighters) were brought in. In Ronda's instance, she was titled the initial champion because Strikeforce was absorbed and Ronda was the Strikeforce champion. In Aldo's case, he was titled the initial champion because WEC was absorbed and Aldo was the WEC champion. Ronda was the Strikeforce champion because she beat Strikeforce's then champion for the title - Miesha Tate. Aldo was the WEC champion because he beat WEC's then champion for the title - Mike Brown. Ronda retired without ever beating a standing UFC champion - but she beat a standing champion in Strikeforce. Aldo - let's be honest - is likely going to retire without beating a standing UFC champion. And most certainly will get inducted, as he deserves to(even if Conor stole his soul in the most savage fashion in all of combat sports history...).

[@tomjensenlyrics]

Didn't Ronda Rousey beat Raging Al for the belt?

[@nicholasoneal1521]

No...

[@bryantayestanley303]

Chapel i love listening to u bro u r the best.

[@CarltonCarvalho]

damn thats a hardcore fact. she never beat a champion and she wanted to quit as soon as she lost. still monumental contributions to mma.

[@jblechan]

Beat Tate didn't she?

[@coreyhuppe4241]

Didn’t she win the Strikeforce belt? Which was absorbed into the UFC? Like a Jose Aldo? Who was also announced the UFC 145 champ when they absorbed that division from the WEC?

[@Spreadsheets_and_pizza]

Branch and Gaethje May have joined as champions of their previous orgs but they joined and fought in an existing division with a champion in place. Rousey, Aldo and Cruz were all ‘gifted’ their belts when the UFC inherited the strike force roster as they were bringing champions across to a new division. When new divisions have been created since, there has been some kind of tournament or at least inaugural title fight

[@colesworld6655]

Chael for president!

[@RealJoshTv]

Judge & Jury

[@wertytrewqa]

Cole's World the p in Chael p stands for president

[@Spreadsheets_and_pizza]

I don’t think the length of time between retirement and HOF induction matters as much as career length: Uriah had 44 pro fights over 13 years. Ronda had 14 across 5 years. I’d be surprised if any other HOF inductees has such a short career (perhaps except for retirement on medical grounds)

[@DaBat125]

I understand what Chael is saying, but, would that same rule apply to Jose Aldo??? WEC was absorbed, was the first and longest reigning UFC featherweight Champion, lost to Max Holloway twice, and if he was to retire now, he would’ve, technically, retired as a champion that has never beaten a champion. Would he be question in getting inducted into the Hall of Fame, just on those terms? I don’t think so. He should be inducted.

[@betwixtX]

"From where I come from people like this get slapped" - N. Diaz

[@nothx962]

Chael we love you! Cant wait to see him get the heavyweight championship and keep the promise he made to his dad.

[@1994Trill]

Miesha was world champion when ronda beat her the first time. Correct me if im wrong but was dominic cruz not bantanweight champion immediatley as well ?

[@honeyandlavender_]

“There’s no one who’s a bigger pioneer of mixed martial arts than Ronda Rousey” Joe just keeps fucking up whenever he opens his mouth when Ronda is brought up....

[@xflashbacks]

Aldo was also inaugurated as the UFC featherweight and Dominick cruz became the UFC bantamweight champion in his final WEC title defense

[@rosieh8641]

Wait for Ronda’s first ufc fight did they fight for a vacant title or did she go into the fight as the champion?

[@gfear24]

Difference is, there was no women's division in the UFC before Ronda. You have the Pride and Strikeforce absorption, but, the men's divisions were absorbed into already established divisions that had champions. Ronda was the champion and her division was absorbed into a company that didn't have any women's divisions. Therefore, it makes perfect sense to have her as the defacto champion to start.

[@ilovechelseafc8080]

"it could be renamed genius vs the dumb dumb" lol damn chael

[@DrPhil-kx3ci]

I don’t recall Ronda saying she’s retired. Doesn’t she still get tested?

[@F7Horror]

Branch and Gaethje's organisations weren't absorbed by the UFC. Dan Henderson came into the UFC as the Pride champion as they did a champion vs champion fight with him and Rampage.

[@bsenka]

The difference with women's bantamweight is that Zuffa bought and imported the whole division en masse -- the contenders and the champion all came in as a unit. They just changed the name of the title that she already held. It's the same way that Dominic Cruz got the men's bantamweight strap -- the BW division was imported in its entirely from WEC. Renaming the belt was just a formal recognition of the fact, not awarding of a vacant title.

[@dawnunited6946]

Well I got to say she's in the Hall of Fame now regardless if you hate her lover and the WWE is feeding off her success in the UFC promoting her like she was the best of all time in the female regard she's a WWE not Superstar Megastar she has the MMA background she has the UFC acolyte and it seems like it's being promoted that way ride this momentum while you can I've always said

[@geofrito]

Ronda being crowned champ makes sense, because they were taking on a completely new category: Women's MMA. Gaetje and et al, were joining an already populated division. Chael is like Marilyn Manson, thriving only on controversy.

[@TheStuport]

I would love to be able to have a one hour conversation with Chael once a week on various Topics! Time Well spent to be sure! Cheers Everyone

[@theprolificnetwork4670]

I agree with the way Dana White did it he was kicking off the Women's Division and had to start with a champion which Ronda Rousey already was from Strikeforce.

[@gslizza1994]

Its to give a person some shine years after prime / sports career. Unspoken to wait at least 5 to 8 years

[@charlest5604]

Dan Henderson vs Anderson Silva & Dan Henderson vs Rampage were promoted as champion vs champion.

[@deviouscorniellious2]

The difference between those other examples Chael gives of Justin Gaithe and David Branch aren't the same because they had those divisions in the UFC. The best woman fighters at the time were fighting in Strikeforce while UFC didn't have a women's division so it made sense to make Ronda the champion as it made sense to make Jose Aldo the champion when he came from WEC because same as Ronda there wasn't that division in the UFC

[@richards6965]

Ronda should be in the hall of fame... I didn't believe the hype when everyone was saying she could fight with the featherweight men.. Now she isn't able to compete with the best of the women either... However, she still would be in the top 4 or 5 in her division.. My opinion on that is that she was a pioneer for women in the sport. Many of the old timers in baseball or football would never be good enough to make the hall of fame now.. She deserves it for what she did for womens MMA.

[@jacklee4556]

Ronda fought Sarah Kaufman, a former Strikeforce world champion, she didn’t fight any world champions in the UFC because she was the FIRST one, and even Ronda disagreed on Dana making her champion before fighting liz carmouche

[@vespaman101]

I agree with her appointment as champ tho. Because they literally rebrand strikeforce women's division as the ufc women's division. All the same roster. So same rankings. I always had hoped that strikeforce would become the women's banner. But it may have failed If they did that.

[@Heisenberg-dy6sy]

mlb nba n the nfl are all at least 5 yrs from the date of announcing ur retirement i believe ...if i am wrong someone please correct me id like to knw the exact h.o.f rules for ea

[@deRoyLight]

The others didn't come over as champion because there were UFC divisions that existed with belts for those weight classes. There was no women's bantamweight until the strikeforce absorption.

[@nicksanders9191]

On the pride remark didnt the pride champions get immediate title shots? I recall your boy henderson fighting silva and rampage back to back and made the walk with his 2 pride titles

[@benjaminlloyd8524]

Ronda is one of the most dominant grapplers the ufc has every seen. Multiple title defenses, was great at finishing fights....... Ronda should be respected. Definitely a ufc hall of famer.

[@brob8204]

Ronda Rousey is the Jackie Robinson of MMA. She is the trailblazer (Y'all like that Portland, Oregon reference for the W. Linn guy :). She definitely belongs in the Hall of Fame. Plus, let's not diminish her accomplishments; she was undefeated for several years and won in mostly dominating fashion. Yeah, it was mostly arm bar central. But she is a judo practitioner and it was effective. There should be no debate, actually, about Ronda in the HOF.

[@JamesBond-mm3iu]

I believe that hall of fames serve as a way to tell the story of a sport through its key players. Often times this debate comes up in the NFL hall of fame the argument used is can you tell the story of the NFL without this person. I believe when we tell the story of the ufc we have to have Ronda in there. She revolutionized how female mma was viewed. Was the first major female fighter that got not just men to support her but women too.

[@gidmanone]

I HATE HEARING: "but she did so much for the sport" she did not do anything for the sport. that was a gimmick from Dana White to make Rhonda look great. the women were gonna be in the Ufc regardless!! facts. the Social Justice warriors back in the day were not as strong as we have nowadays. Ufc would eventually comply from the pressure of these new "women power movement" because ufc is a business first and sport second, and not the other way.

[@thegent6134]

Chael's a genuine legend.

[@maloned]

the WEC champions in the lighter weight classes were named UFC champions when it was absorbed as well

[@LoganLuqman]

Jose Aldo was promoted to UFC featherweight champ when they absorbed the WEC. So yes it does make perfect sense. New division from absorbed organizations, that champion remains champion.

[@CharlesHarmonHealth-Wealth]

Meisha Tate was the Strikeforce world champion and that is a main world champion also when WEC was taken into the UFC Dominick Cruz at 135 lbs and Jose Aldo at 145 lbs became the UFC champions at their perspective weight classes because there was no champion or weight class in the UFC. Benson Henderson who was the 155 lbs champion of the WEC but had to fight his way to the UFC 155 lbs championship because there was already a champ their named Frankie Edgar. The UFC did to Rousey what they did to Cruz and Aldo (Gave them the world championship belt). I didn't hear people complaining about Cruz and Aldo being given their UFC championship belt! All anyone has to do is look at their wikipedia page and see the transition of defending the belt at WEC to the next fight defending the belt at UFC... very clear! It is a shame that these guys haven't done their homework and only rely on memory to make their comments.

[@jaideepbura1936]

both Dominic Cruz and Jose Aldo came into the UFC as champions when the UFC announced the featherweight and bantamweight divisions respectively.

[@JimboRd1]

Chael either forgot or failed to mention that Jose Aldo was awarded the UFC featherweight belt without ever competing in the UFC too. He was the WEC champ and promoted to UFC champ and his first fight was a title defense. Dominick Cruz was awarded the UFC bantamweight belt without competing in the UFC also. His first fight was a title defense. Same as Rousey. Not sure why it bothers people that Rousey got that treatment but don't care about Aldo or Cruz doing the exact same thing. By the way, it made sense in all 3 cases. The UFC absorbed a division that didn't even exist up to that point and kept the champions.

[@mikesantini65]

It's really not confusing the UFC did not have a division they bought one and used it the strikeforce 135 lb division was not made it already existed just like how the Colts moved to Indianapolis it did not mean all the stats and stuff were invalid or did not count I think the women in strikeforce were world champions if they got that belt unless you know of a organization with better fighters at that time. So basicly UFC took the strikeforce women's bantamweight division and renamed it it was exactly the same from fighters to rankings I mean Ronda probs would had still fought Liz carmouch either way what's confusing chael?

[@mugshotmarley]

I get what youre saying Chael, but ya cant have it both ways. The decision to make Rhonda the champion because she was marketable. At the time, the UFC wanted to make a splash by kickstarting women's MMA with a marketable woman. She had the look, she already proved herself in Strikeforce as a dominant force, so why wouldnt they just continue that path of her being a champion when the UFC absorbed Strikeforce? Plus, it helps the UFC show that their new fighters that came over from Strikforce was just as talented as the UFC fighters thus strengthening thier roster and brand in the fan's eyes who didnt watch Strikeforce events. Making the best out of that specific situation to legitamize women's MMA, garner views and maximize profit.

[@joncheskin]

This is a weird video-- I am not sure what he is saying. He seems to be saying that Rousey's induction is suspect because she never beat a UFC champion, but part of the reason for this was that she was the first UFC women's champion. She does have victories over Julia Budd (current Bellator Featherweight champion), Miesha Tate (former UFC and Strikeforce Bantamweight champion), and Sara Kaufmann (former Invicta Bantamweight champion), and still has the most title defenses of any female fighter in UFC history.

[@seandavidr]

Different from all those guys that were champions somewhere else that you mentioned. Rhonda was the champion of a division that didn't exist in the UFC, and a that division was mostly built with fighters from that organization.

[@jadedj5385]

Ronda earned her place in the Hall of Fame but not as the greatest of all time for women's MMA. Her situation is different versus every other former champion of a previous promotion because their division already existed in the UFC. Without a women's division in UFC, anointing Ronda made sense and she proved her worth by holding on to it. I don't love the PTSD she's experiencing beyond the octagon but to say that she steamrolled everyone because they weren't good Fighters would throw away all that Miesha Tate, Cat Zingano, and others were worth. She promoted women's MMA and served as a good role model before she let the cracks show and thus gets a place in the Hall of Fame as a dominant champion until her reign (first reign for UFC women) ended. That's no debate. The conversation of greatest of all time, however, is for someone who truly embodies the term " mixed martial artist", a credit I cannot give to someone with only one or two dimensions.

[@challengerjakku1943]

I will disagree with Chaels point here for one reason. There was no female divison in the Ufc at the time, for example justin, david branch etc where champions in their prior organizations, when they came to the ufc they competed on the higher level in a division that was already formed. In Rondas case when they absorbed strikeforce the division was non existent. So I can let it slide as there was no division for the women to compete in, so it made sense to just promote Ronda as the batamweight champ since she was the strikeforce champion. They essentially just promoted strikeforces 135lbs division into a ufc division.

[@ActuallyJozu]

Jose Aldo and Dominick Cruz were both brought over as inaugural champs for new divisions when the WEC was merged with the UFC. It's wasn't unheard of when it happened with Ronda. She was champion before Strikeforce folded and was coming into a new division for the UFC, so she was giving the belt in a ceremony before the event, just like Dominick Cruz and Jose Aldo, two of the best fighters in MMA history. I'm not a diehard Ronda fan, at all. I dislike her quite a bit, but Chael was wrong about that. It wasn't unheard of and it wasn't the first time. Two other tremendous champions had the same start to their UFC careers. It was a new division for the UFC, that's why they were made champion before even fighting in the UFC. Existing UFC champions take precedence over incoming champions from other organizations, though.

[@gorrokasali305]

Loves the sound of his own voice.

[@kcwliew]

Same with Aldo? Don't think anyone questions his tenure or the idea that he might get into the hall of fame. There was no UFC featherweight division so when they bought WEC he just came over as the UFC featherweight champion?

[@themaxx2195]

I get what the Bad Guy is saying about the David branches not joining the ufc as a carry over champion. But the ufc didn't have a woman's (bantamweight) division at the time. So would i think it makes to have kept Ronda as the champion.

[@michaelh3583]

Looking back at her opponents, Most of them were undeserving of a shot at the title but were thrown to Ronda because they had no one else for her. There was no depth in the division at the time so that means pretty much anyone who strung a fight or two win streak together got a shot lol. And then they put her in a match with someone with actual talent, Holm, and she got knocked the fuck out. She was a product of the system, Pure and simple.

[@theqcgamer]

wasn't at the time that ufc bought strikeforce ... so pretty much the same girls fighting each other in another organisation therefore it makes sense to keep Ronda as a champion in the ufc

[@ShawnWi]

By Chael’s logic, Jose Aldo is questionable for the HOF since he never beat a defending champion for the belt. He came from WEC and was gifted the UFC Featherweight belt at a press conference. However, he does have two wins over Frankie, a former 155 champ.

[@ThisIsEduardoBueno]

Chael, 5/30 = 0.166666667 And also Aldo was "proclaimed" champion after the WEC merge. Cruz however fought for the WEC AND UFC belts at WEC 53.

[@MiguelSantos-vf5yn]

Dana White took over Strike force and the title, he then had the champ move her title to the UFC to start this new division. That would have been Meisha Tate but she just finish losing her title to guest who Ronda Rousey. Ronda before joining her new boss defended her new strike force title against Sarah Kaufman who was a strike force champion. Interesting fact that Ronda told Dana White that she want to fight for the new UFC title but her new boss said no. The rest we already know, yes she deserves to be in HOF if for nothing else than taking the first step for the new women's division. We didn't see any other women step up.

[@joellemm9229]

Pride champions, David Branch and Justin Gaethje all came into a division where there was already a UFC champion. Jose Aldo, like Ronda, came to the UFC into a division where there was not already a champion, hence why they were simply given the strap.

[@zripster]

It's 17 cents a day. 5÷30=0.1667

[@joshualong6900]

But when Strikeforce and WEC we’re absorbed all the DIVISIONS that the UFC DIDNT HAVE got promoted to champions! Jose Aldo and Dominic Cruz included. So it does work that way.

[@miguelguadian2597]

So I get where both Ariel and Chael are coming from. I think when the UFC absorbed Strikeforce and as a result brought their fighters and women’s MMA for the forefront promotion they should have made Ronda’s fight vs Carmouche for the INAUGURAL women’s bantamweight title. I know yes when the UFC absorbed the WEC guys like Dominick Cruz and I think Aldo kept their title and their very next fight in the UFC was a labeled and marketed as a title defense. I think that in the case of the women’s MMA to satisfy Chael’s argument they should have just made the Rousey vs Carmouche fight for the inaugural title. Where I differ from Chael is when he refers to Branch and Gathje. Yes they were champions in different promotions and when they came for the UFC that title didn’t matter but only because they signed as free agents and weren’t signed because their previous promotion was absorbed into the UFC. What is also important to realize is that Branch and Justin were coming into a promotion (the UFC) where their weight classes were already established with a champion and a ranking system. When women’s MMA came to the UFC there was no weight classes for women, no rankings and no champion. So in the case of Ronda I understand why they promoted her to the champion and made her fight against Carmouche as a title defense rather than for the inaugural belt. Also when Chael says she never defeated a reigning world champion that’s not correct either. If I’m not mistaken when she fought Tate the first time it was for the Strikeforce women’s bantamweight title. And while people may scoff at that and not count it and Chael may as well, a Strikeforce champions accolades are still recognized even by the UFC when they are introduced during their fights. So my point is that I agree with both Chael and Ariel but I just happen to disagree with a few of Chael’s points. Hell I think even Chael should be in the UFC hall of fame for his first fight with Anderson Silva

[@kevinsweetwater7293]

Jose Aldo! Came over from the WEC and crowned UFC Champ. Boom 💥

[@tylergathers7174]

She was the first female superstar of the brand. The first female Brock Lesnar if you will. But she beat a lot of girls as champ who, to be frank, were not all that much competition aside from Meisha. And of course everyone loved the idea of the first ultra popular ufc woman as well. It was the early days and she capitalized but as soon as she got another real fighter, she got head kicked onto Ellen.

[@JohnLoCicero]

Easily, she was the most-dominant champion ever. If you wanna characterize Tyson by his loss to Douglas, then go ahead. It tells only a part of the story. You can only measure an athlete by how they stand against their peers. And for a time, albeit only a few years, she was bowling her opposition over with ease. And in a sport where shelf-lives can vary, a 2-3 year championship run where you're winning a string of fights in mere seconds easily qualifies for HOF honors.

[@gg2fan]

I think it's good to wait many years before inducting people, that way you only get inductees that truly pass the test of time. Otherwise you'd be doing things like inducting Kimbo, a flash in the pan who got enormous for some bizarre reason but who's career doesn't reasonably justify being a part of it. If after 20 years out of the business, everyone still remembers your greatest achievements, you deserve it. But this sport moves faaaaast and the stars often fall even faster. Look at Pettis, he was the next big thing and now his weight class has surpassed him. (For the record I still believe in Pettis but he's a good example to show how unpredictable fighting is)

[@pauliewallnuttz]

If there were no existing women in the division I don’t think you have any other option than to respect the strike force ranking. Everyone’s records carry over from other professional organizations women or men, current or past and the fact that she had a fan following I think it was a no brainer for the UFC to label her champ.when you enter a complete new wrestling tournament your are given a seed based on past performance. I think either way it was her who brought most of the attention to women’s UFC so she should be a part of the hall of fame regardless.

[@theprolificnetwork4670]

She defended her belt six times that's Hall of Fame worthy but she did not sell the perseverance of a champion in the feet and she did not rematch any of her losses like Ali Tyson and Holyfield

[@BBBYpsi]

They brought in several females because there was no Women in the UFC when she came into the UFC. How do they determine the UFC champion? You give it to the person who's company you buy out who is already the champion since the other girls from there are also coming into the UFC. Ronda held the title for 1074 days defending it against all top ranked fighters in her division. Yes she deserves Hall Of Fame status. Jackie Robinson does not have great HOF numbers but it is how he changed things that got him in. Ronda changed the way people look at female fighters. Joe Nameth terrible numbers for being in HOF but he changed the way QB's play by being a passer first. Sometimes it is the intrigue & money they bring to the sport. Ken Shamrock has 14 UFC fights with only 8 being wins. He is in the HOF because he was part of being a Pioneer for men in the MMA world like Ronda was for women. As a matter of fact 15 of 17 Shamrocks losses came in first round. His MMA record 28-17 not what I would call a great record but because of his being a pioneer. Satchell Paige got into the baseball hall of fame having a losing record. 28-31 but it was part of a impact of his importance to black baseball players. Get a clue you numbnuts.

[@lancer3499]

If there was a "UFC Trash Talking Hall Of Fame" Chael Sonnen would definitely be the first to be inducted into it.