Chaining the 1176LN and LA2A compressors for maximum control.

This video demonstrates using the 1176LN and LA-2A compressors together in series on the same track. For more information, please visit the February Plug-In Power article in theUA Webzine at: www.uaudio.com/...
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[@bellinghammond]

everybody sing! "GOB to... GEDDY-oh now, GAH do DOOEY - OH mah OWN!"

[@RedArtMedia1]

lol.....

[@Rgdonaire_07]

bellinghammond genius hehe

[@Sweetsmcdudeman]

Making me laugh on a crowded train in the morning.

[@ProdByThatGuyFace]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Hilarious!

[@wakeforldmusic]

haha

[@pottavio1]

The comments about how expensive these plug-ins are is really mute since both of these are provided free with universal audio Apollo as well as 6 other great plug-ins. Apollo worth every penny.

[@user-eu3mn6ss5l]

This was very helpful - thank you! I own an Apollo Solo and am watching a lot of videos on how to use the plugins that came with it. This is a great approach and I'm going to give it a shot.

[@sin_phany_tv]

Hey, what’s up, listen, I’m a blind producer, but I’m able to navigate around these plug-ins, can you tell me the settings that he placed on the 1176, and then with the la2a so I can mimic it it would really be helpful. Thanks.

[@user-eu3mn6ss5l]

@@sin_phany_tv Happy to help. The way these plugins work, it's hard to tell exact values, but here's what I'd say: 1176LN: Input is around 25, Output is around 15, Attack around 6, Release around 7, Ratio is 20. LA-2A: Limit/Compress switch set to compress, Gain is around 72, Peak reduction around 72, Gain Reduction switch set to the point between Output +10 and Output +4 (middle position.). The trick is the input on the 1176 - a ratio of 20 to 1 is very aggressive, so you only want the 1176 to kick in for big peaks only. By gradually turning up and down the input value, you can hear when it's too aggressive and dial it back a bit.

[@guacnchips]

Advice is still good 10 years later, W

[@UniversalAudio]

👍

[@Michael-st9ky]

Listening on high quality air pods

[@UniversalAudio]

Good one!

[@CyrilViXP]

@@UniversalAudio really? o_O

[@TheProgmagog]

Both Waves and UAD are really really good. Any real difference will come down to user skill and not plug-in manufacturer. Same for all DAWs. They all work. Its up you to make good decisions with these or any tools.

[@HiredGoonage]

exactly, it's the person not the tools. Guys get all fanboyed up one product vs the other.

[@aarona.dubzperson8245]

Bob Gorski EXACTLY! I MAKE THE WAVES POP JUST AS HARD AS THE UAD. As a matter of fact, I think the Waves sounds more musical. UAD is a little too sharp. Waves comes closer to analog sound to me.

[@chriscaro546]

@@aarona.dubzperson8245 Waves make your sound too thin.

[@Test-ue5po]

​@@aarona.dubzperson8245 UAD makes UAD emulations of their own hardware better than Waves would because its UAD. Waves may be different? Sure. More musical? No. UAD comes closer to the analog because its their gear no one can copy their gear better than themselves who made it lol

[@Ty-dk2sj]

0:59 Compressors Disabled 1:13 Both Comprssors enabled 1:16 LA-2A Only 1:39 1176 Only

[@yasgotsass1479]

am i the only one who actually like his voice?

[@ZERMELOmusic]

Sounds amazing.

[@NeXxzY]

That snare, holy moly

[@nantschev]

Did exactly this on vocals, but reversed: first the LA2A, worked great

[@sin_phany_tv]

Hey, what’s up, I am a blind producer, and I am able to navigate the screen with apples, voiceover utility, since I can’t see the settings, can you tell me the settings that he did on both units it would mean a lot thanks

[@bf4lvr]

@@sin_phany_tvvocals: 1176 20:1 ratio catching peaks, 6 attack 7 release, la2a doing 7-10 db compression

[@3438jff4]

I own both UAD and Waves and I can tell you there is no major difference ... all the subtle details maybe count for audiophilles but not for the large mass of the people. In some things UAD is better in other things Waves is. However it's stupid to limit yourself to one of them ... there is so much more in the plugin world to discover besides Waves and UAD. I've already seen so much free plugins doing great job. The most important thing is still how it sounds and not what it costs =D

[@CyrilViXP]

Waves doesn't limit you to use some specific interfaces

[@bettertoolatethannever]

ripper vocal, great vid, cheers!

[@Tacitade]

Do you recommand tracking vocal with hardware comoressor ?

[@RAYGproductions]

wow sounds real good..

[@DominicOwen]

Im not sure about the XLR, but the line inputs would work, yes

[@JerichBlakk]

wow i tried this tonight...thanks....

[@MarcusThe9]

Is that guy singing ok, any news from the doctor ?

[@DerekWolf]

You said the la 2A compressor wasn’t working hard but it was well past -3 db and from what I’ve gathered from others is that you don’t really want to wander out past that. Can you shed some light on this topic?

[@ProjetHomeStudio]

it is a misconception that 3dB GR is a lot. What matters is how it sounds.

[@rowlandrugeley3052]

ok now for are 30 fx mix busses with parrallel compression and all the sidechains to all the fx busses and the bass kick and bass...

[@norbertm121]

Nice tips!! Thanks!

[@christopheroneal7744]

nice.. thanks for the tip

[@DominicOwen]

Yes

[@Ali_ReBORN]

Make an updated tutorial with better vocals for 2020!

[@AmperSammy]

Lol @ better vocals 😂

[@AmperSammy]

Or maybe more to the point, demonstrate for relevant production in 2020

[@saltylips9965]

@@AmperSammy this is as relevant is as comes? If you're searching for a singer who can't sing and slaps hundreds of autotune and automation on their tracks just to sound like all the mumble rappers out there, then you're in the wrong place

[@Doraemon933]

Super cool.thxs

[@AtmLifted]

What are the default unity levels for both knobs please.

[@3438jff4]

@offthewallstudio its waves not wave. and i feel that one doen't need neither uad nor waves as long as u know what you want to achieve. 80% of the plugins could be replaced by cheap or free plugins and 99% of the people wouldn't notice :P

[@wallacewallets7557]

dam! 13 years ago????

[@mproductionsmusik]

i wish UAD will release a ethernet or USB external version for imac user!!!

[@offthewallstudio]

how would you feel the mix would come out using just the wave stuff instead of the UAD stuff? thanks!

[@aarona.dubzperson8245]

offthewallstudio Waves is closer to analog to me. Just my opinion. UAD is too sharp, not as warm as Waves

[@Test-ue5po]

@@aarona.dubzperson8245 UAD has the better emulation though since they're literally emulating their own.

[@gaborkiss1425]

Can I get good quality results with using the legacy 1176LN + legacy LA-2A? (the ones that I got with my UAD card purchase, in the Analog Classics bundle)

[@UniversalAudio]

Absolutely!!

[@gaborkiss1425]

@@UniversalAudio Thank you! :)

[@UniversalAudio]

You're welcome!!

[@mike48007]

the UAD-1 cards are obsolete and no longer supported. PC users, they only work in 32 bit windows hosts. no 64 bit. you cannot buy any new plugins. the seller is not really supposed to be able to sell it to you. that said, they still work, just make sure if buying one that you get the final "auth" file from the seller.

[@welcomehomecolumbia4131]

Why does the intro sound like a rock version of lemonade by don toliver 😭🎯

[@mikesmith1290]

Listing on hi quality Airpod Pro’s

[@LastDayStudios]

I like the Waves versions better

[@rowlandrugeley3052]

wtf ever you would run it on real time dummy ..boy that's sounds great!i love the ehco too but how do you turn that echo off?ooooohahahahahaa!

[@GOtheVOPro]

Would this be considered "parallel compression"?

[@UniversalAudio]

No, parallel compression means you mix some of the uncompressed signal with the compressed signal, either inside the plug itself or in your mixer.

[@GOtheVOPro]

@@UniversalAudio Thank you for the reply. I thought that was exactly what was being done in this video: blending an uncompressed version of the track with a compressed version. Is there something I'm misunderstanding? I need help learning this.

[@UniversalAudio]

This is an example of "serial" compression. Chaining two comps in line to handle the job.

[@campar1043]

@@UniversalAudio isnt that alot of gain reduction on the snare on the 1176?

[@Hue_Nery]

There's a firewire version.

[@airickarqese521]

What setting do you like for Rap Vocals?

[@bellinghammond]

as far from the sound source as possible...

[@0e0]

traditionally rap vocals need really fast compression..just using the 1176 should be fine

[@rowlandrugeley3052]

oh oh we forgot the expander! and the desser also..that should about do it or should we spit off a couple of sub mixis ya know...one dry..one subby and dirty and one air!!!! lolololololol!!!!!!

[@JulianChown]

Strangely, sounds like Steven Slate singing?

[@UniversalAudio]

😂It does!

[@JulianChown]

I thumbed up to your comment, that wasn't a like, lol... So was it him, really? Lol

[@RedCityFormat]

It doesn't sound very good to me. What I want to hear in a test vid like this is subtlety, not just how each sounds when the shit's overcooked. Neither of them sound like their hardware counterparts. Not to be a dick, I wanted to like these. But for their cost, and you have to by UAD cards just to use them, the $$ doesn't seem worth it. Just by hearing the results.

[@Madrrrrrrrrrrr]

You can get a second hand UAD1 cheap. Also the 1176 is famous for it's drumsmash mode. It's not my sound too but that's what they kinda of show here.

[@ronnieperez7650]

They're $89 each right now.. no reason to complain. If that's too much money, you're in the wrong industry.

[@Highlineheros]

lol the cost you kidding me if you wanted to buy the hardware of both units it would cost $5,500+. i got the 4-710d and it came with a uad quad free with the legacy versions of these plugins. i spent $1,750 got 4 mic pre's with 4 1176 style hard ware compressors, AD/DA converter plus a bunch of plugins and the software versions of the compressors among other things. why spend almost 3x as much for minimal returns in sound quality unless you can afford it. i would rather spend money on more important parts of my rig like mics, pres's, and interface. besides i have both the plugins and the hardware the plugins are damn close.

[@henrikpetersson2899]

These are the legacy versions of the plugins (comes for free with the UAD-2), and they are over a decade old. They still sound pretty good, but the new versions are way better. The UAD platform is not cheap that's for sure. But they do have some of the best plugins in the industry, and the Apollo makes it worth it in my opinion. That said, IK Multimedia makes really good native versions of these as well. Check them out if you haven't already.

[@ronnieperez7650]

Henrik Petersson i got the 1176 and la2a... all i can say is wow. I finally can achieve those clean, in your face vocals. These emulations sound phenomenal. The new versions are definitely 'there'

[@brycesalvatore8581]

Just patch from one to the other.

[@user-tp9sk5rm6t]

You need to make boards for USB !!!

[@StitchWaters7]

Nothing can save that vocal cheese

[@LodvarDude]

"GOOOOD! DOOOO! GEDDI ONNNOOOO!!" I can't listen to this. Djjez, wtf. I can't believe you sold any units with this ..."demo".

[@inkajoo]

Here's a tip, hire a new vocalist. Yeesh.

[@mikewalker3337]

If your gear can make that guy sound good sign me up.....I can't sing either so I'll buy tow and kick his ass on my next hit record.

[@17th_Street_Preacher]

if you can only afford one which :?

[@UniversalAudio]

1176. It comes with 3 different plugins, one of which is the 1176 Anniversary Edition which has a unique Slo attack setting giving this bundle the edge.

[@rowlandrugeley3052]

I think we need the fatso in the chain and um whats the next compressor?lollolo!!!

[@rowlandrugeley3052]

oh no!we forgot the auto tune!!!

[@AllyKiss18]

I wish they didn’t use that vocal. It’s literally impossible to listen to it more than once.

[@whitepapagold]

ua what?

[@geckovision]

WHY???? Is it a universal law that you must use the absolute most obnoxious vocals for these demos?

[@RedMulletAlert]

what the hell is that guy singing..... LOL!@!

[@IndyRockStar]

Am I the only one that doesn't hear a real difference?

[@kimhansen6384]

This guy sings worse than I do.

[@cmdkaboom]

Singer sounds like he's constipated

[@RavyThompson]

Terrible mixing. Good trick.

[@FortyNightsMusic]

The people who work at these companies are rarely musicians, and they aren't very good if they are (or else they'd be working in the music business). These guys are engineers, tech nerd types. Not surprised they don't know how to pick a good song or singer for these demos.

[@FortyNightsMusic]

+Gen Zero I agree. The music industry is definitely NOT a meritocracy. But these guys are not great musicians-- I'm sorry. These tutorials have the WORST music in them. I don't know who actually makes the music they use-- but SOMEBODY at Universal Audio chose to use it. Terrible choice. I think these plug ins ARE amazing, you're absolutely right. But that's because they have great ENGINEERS. It's a completely different art form understanding electrical engineering and signal flow at the level those guys do. Has nothing to do with producing. In my humble opinion.

[@nc_oakland]

+ Gen Zero: Ha! Not millions. Not millions.

[@GabrielXDrums]

Gen Zero bingo, its like these people expect FUTURE, MIGOS, KENDRICK, Hell no, vocals are great, dope rock song. Sounds like Creed 🔥

[@xaplexus]

For those complaining about the vocal performance: if you think most pro engineers work daily with excellent musicians, you've never worked in a pro studio. Not sure I would have chosen this vocal track as an example, but the video shows clearly the stacking of fast / slow compressors commonly employed.

[@BenCooke419]

OMG...this sounds horrible. I just got some Dynaudio BM15a's a few days ago. I hear things now. I don't know, but it doesn't sound good. Could be because the audio is in 720p. I can hear that too, but there is a distortion in that guy's mic that sounds jumbled when he hits transients.