Why This S Tier Couldn't Win For 18 YEARS

[@Krona-fb4dn]

If that one anon on 4chan who said "Melee is a Solved Game" didn't eat his words when Falcon and Pikachu won their first majors, then he definitely is after Slippi came out and Yoshi and Sheik got their victories. Who knows what's next for Melee?

[@ikekellogg]

DONKEY KONG

[@edboi5354]

Docta mario

[@Supertaldo916]

A Mewtwo winning a Major

[@OfficialJabe]

Ness and zelda have some shit broo

[@JackCohoon]

@@OfficialJabe im sorry but....no

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

Also, even during the time of Captain Jack, Isai's Sheik was something of legend. He went tryhard just a few times with his Sheik and it looked unstoppable.

[@ln8496]

Unstoppable in a pre cc meta way

[@Quackra]

Captain Jack, not Zack this actually matters that say the correct player here as Captain Zack has never touched Melee that I have known of.

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

@@ln8496 Naw, his movement made up for a lot of that. Isai had godly neutral spacing with his Sheik and Fox back in the day.

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

@@Quackra Corrected. Thx

[@Quackra]

@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson no problem

[@kikewickens6324]

Also I think it's worth mentioning (I very rarely see people mention this run) that Plup made this a goal at Riptide 2021 by only going sheik, and very almost did it getting 2nd, beating KoDoRiN, SFAT (who is historically amazing against sheik and often makes Plup switch) and most importantly Hungrybox in the process. He only lost to iBDW in winners finals 2-3 and grands 1-3. This tournament was historic either way because it marked Cody's first major win, and I find it kinda sad because this tournament feels kinda buried.

[@samskott2344]

Great video but sad that there wasn't even a mention of Kirbykaze. It wasn't for very long, but in 2011 ans 2012 KK looked like he might enter as the 6th God. He came up short and started falling off shortly after, but he came suuuper close to winning a major a few times.

[@SuperAmazingJared]

Yoshi's first major win was in 2022, not 2021

[@SuperAmazingJared]

Cool video btw! :)

[@johnnoiom]

@@SuperAmazingJared Glad you enjoyed it! - Delf the Editor

[@winterwarden]

@@johnnoiom edit it right next time 👺

[@johnnoiom]

@@winterwarden that’s what it said in the script son, my Smash Melee knowledge is to that of a Nun’s memory the first time she broke her duck 👍

[@winterwarden]

@@johnnoiom how dare you reply earnestly to my troll comment

[@SuperPichu17]

This video is great and I found it very fun to watch, but there is a key detail missing, notably that Drephen playing Sheik won EVO North 2007 which was not mentioned and would have been an example of a Sheik winning an event after KDJ's victory at MLG Long Island 2007 being a month afterward.

[@SquattingxBear]

I wonder who the next character to win a big tourney will be?(Icies, Samus, Doc, or Ganon maybe?)

[@ChalerYT]

If I was to place my bets icies are defo at the top slug could do it if he dodges hbox

[@SquattingxBear]

@@ChalerYT Or maybe Slug does it by overcoming Hbox O.o; regardless I do hope that he isnt actually retired. Especially after being ranked 9th for 2022.

[@cannyanemone5739]

Dk 🍌🙏

[@MooMania4]

@@ChalerYT i dont even think hbox is a too big of a problem. imo hbox is better at the shiek mu than the ics one and slug did bring him to game 5 last stock at lsi

[@justinkim3760]

@@SquattingxBear probably not solo i think slug is making a fox for counterpicks

[@eddiestilll]

jmook is such a legend :')

[@TheWholePeter]

Jmook's breakout Genesis happened in April, not January I think. Got delayed due to COVID.

[@RichardBlaziken]

Even as someone that hasn't played Melee since about 2010, Melee is the most hype esport that exists. Nothing comes close to the legacy, the storylines, the constant developments for a game not receiving any patches or changes. It's so wonderful. Thanks for this video! :)

[@natecallon9755]

Same, i dont play the game but i watch it almost every day.

[@doublenikkel]

Hungrybox really is a single-character main's worst nightmare

[@gamificationoflife]

Really digged the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon music in the background, my favourite video game soundtrack of all time, love the Melee content too, the HungryBox video by Emplemon & Asumsaus are some of my fav Melee content, and I think you'll be right there with them, subbed

[@johnnoiom]

Glad you're enjoying the content as much as Chaler and us editors enjoy making it! - Delf the Editor

[@LonnieK]

Why are there so many people writing off jmooks accomplishment or the validity of this video? Saying oh X player did well with Sheik, and they won so many tournaments. Like yes, in the case of Sheik as a character, she's seen a lot of success with the help of tagging out to another character in tougher matchups. This video is about SOLO Sheik (regardless of match-up) and how jmook made it happen. It's not that crazy of a concept to grasp, lol. Anyway, it's a melee history making moment for Jmook and an amazing video. Keep it up, dude.

[@MetaKnight68]

"There was also this player who did really well and deserves a mention in the timeline of Sheik placements this video aims to cover" =/= "Jmook's run wasn't amazing or the greatest Sheik run of all time" "There's a minor factual inaccuracy in the video that doesn't completely invalidate the storyline; here's what actually happened" =/= "This video is poorly researched and therefore bad" This video is great, and Jmook is incredible. It's still worth documenting forgotten storylines and minor inaccuracies for posterity.

[@Joel-hp4hh]

Great video format! Love the green screen and holding the mic haha!

[@johnnoiom]

Glad you're liking the new style brother! Prepare for more from Chaler and me.

[@oookam]

Character with no major win ( recent or at all ) but who have top 50 players . Link/aklo , Dr Mario/ Franz , samus/the swooper , ic's/ slug , Peach /Lloyd. Who will be the next ?

[@55cancrie58]

I woulda mentioned faceroll/Kirbykaze/amsah/shroomed but otherwise great vid! Love me some sheik content

[@ChalerYT]

Trying to hit 3K Subs before the end of the month so if you haven't already sub and I will love u forever in a totally parasocial way Also in my flu hysteria writing this script I got a few things wrong - genesis 8 was in april not January - Amsa didnt win in 2021 it was 2022

[@GinkgoPete]

Its crazy that the Shiek drought couldve drank alcohol in any civilized country

[@vyor8837]

That was 6 years ago

[@GinkgoPete]

@@vyor8837 I dont meant just beer or wine but the hard stuff

[@Flip-a-dip-dip]

Not sure if you’re aware but a Long Island Ice tea doesn’t actually have any tea in it. Just alcohol and a splash of cola

[@Flip-a-dip-dip]

@@chungboislim2061 I’m not sure if you’re trolling right now but you are super wrong. There’s definitely not just a splash of alcohol in it Lol. google it.

[@FirePuff12]

Bro, amazing vid as always. AND you’re a Mangofan?? I’m sold

[@ChalerYT]

The reason I play Falco

[@FirePuff12]

@@ChalerYT The reason I play Puff 😅

[@yankees2864]

Saw this from the Reddit, amazing job! Earned my sub, keep it up!

[@johnnoiom]

Glad you enjoyed it as much as me and Chaler did making it! - Delf the Editor

[@ToBadification]

Crazy how Plup carried the sheik meta (post m2k/KDJ) and enabled Jmook to sit where he’s at today but it’s written off because he uses fox against puff. When Jmook has a 1-12 record against Hbox 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@shiesterjr]

Weird take. What does that have to do with anything? why would someone achieving something be thwarted by the fact that someone was better before them? No one wrote off plup, it was the fact that plup wrote off shiek. It was important to note that plup won majors, but only by switching off of solo sheik, which was the point of this entire video.

[@rileybozeman3570]

Sheik will all ways be the queen of melee

[@paul_particularlyunhappynut]

peach.

[@averagewhiteguy2]

Woot! Was looking forward to Sheik winning big one day. Nice video.

[@obsidianchao]

Long Island is like the suburbs for NYC - it’s a large chunk of land in the sound of water to the east of the city. The more you know!

[@HemExists]

awesome video man, here's to 10k subs soon 🎉

[@MyNameIsLuna200]

whats the song during the montage?

[@supermomeio]

True

[@Brando550]

i know someone already made this comment, but just to help with visibility, Ben is from Minnesota, not Wisconsin. edit: I made an attempt to edit the smash melee wiki and i need someone else to confirm if the change from Wisconsin to Minnesota worked or not.

[@sossh1442]

Bro melee is 22 years old that’s nuts

[@MitchBison]

It is pretty crazy that solo Falcon and Yoshi won a super major before solo Sheik did; Wizzy and aMSa are insane grinders and punish game beasts. I honestly wanted leffen to beat hbox at Genesis 5 so that Plup could win that with solo Sheik, and once that didn't happen I was losing faith that it ever would happen since there were no solo Sheiks at the top 10 level. Thankfully Jmook graced us with his insane punish game on Fox and took down Genesis 9 (and Plup taking out hbox helped).

[@heldon7951]

PMD Explorers of Sky music at the end >>>

[@Eval999]

IMO without Mook tier RTC, Sheik-Fox is worse than Sheik-Puff

[@shady8045]

3:18 could he have used randal in that instance?

[@charlieguy2795]

😂 high quality jokes man. Very witty commentary. This channel won’t be small for me

[@wilfredfegelein8215]

I would've mentioned druggedfox tbh. Really optimized sheik popularizing tech chasing showing it was consistent

[@Kevin-rw7kk]

Bro why did I recognize the song at 8:38 as from an old PS2 game I haven’t played in probably 13 years

[@pjgabbagoo7715]

As a long island resident, I can confirm that I don’t exist.

[@firelifeblizzard8782]

Genesis 8 was in April not January

[@lukasfinn6042]

Cool video! Ima play sheik now

[@AzureSkies58]

I'VE GOT TO KNOW THE MUSIC FOR JMOOKS GENESIS RUNS, THE FIRST ONE ESPECIALLY SOUNDS SO PMD of course i recognize dialgas fight to the finish at the end

[@ChalerYT]

Your nearly right its nemona's final battle music from scarlet and violet and thr first one is actually from yugioh capsule monster colleseum believe it's crimson Valley not 100% as not on my pc rn

[@aqxbjc5879]

@@ChalerYT what was that graphic at 9:57 ? you said Jmook was 1-9 against Hbox then showed a picture of Hbox with head 2 heads listing both Hbox 1-6 and Jmook 9-1. Who were those head to heads for?

[@ChalerYT]

@AQXBJC yeah I just decided to use footage for one of my old videos it's called the closest fight ever for melee number 1

[@aqxbjc5879]

@@ChalerYT ok, I just didn't understand what those other values were supposed to represent then

[@tnd_0]

awesome video!

[@Violet_Knights]

THATS MY GOAT JMOOK

[@TetraCrystal]

What's the last song of the video?

[@MrKynzer]

Did you find it? I'm currently searching for it lol

[@darlingj.canela]

To answer the question, that's cause Sheik isn't exactly an S tier maybe 🤔

[@firescorpio5]

what a fucking good video keep it up 👍

[@johnnoiom]

Glad you enjoyed it brother - Chaler and Delf the Editor (me)

[@Agent7300]

i enjoy this content about the old video game i like and the people who play it

[@charmanfer]

Did not know your channel but you got yourself a new sub. Amazing video

[@snarfsnarf6]

Ah yes, my favorite KZbin video genre, man talking into a microphone about a 20 year old video game

[@mmmyummi6094]

Are there music credits?

[@MrKynzer]

Did you find it?

[@TheGreatDanish]

Honestly, the win at Genesis really just proves that the puff matchup *is* doom and gloom. The *one* tournament where a solo shiek doesn't run into a puff, and they take it all. I'm not super impressed, tbh. We all knew Shiek was a good character. That was never the question. It's just a matter of if someone can figure away to deal with puff well enough to actually win a major. We see a solo Shiek get past Hbox and *then* ill be impressed.

[@peanutbuttercracker1]

I regret to inform you that not only is Long Island real, but also Long Island Iced Tea isn't tea as you implied in the video - it's alcohol with absolutely no tea in it

[@Blu_color2901]

What’s the music used in Genesis 9 and Jmook?

[@outcrazy6570]

Goated content. Never stop

[@TopOfAllWorlds]

I almost think Sheik winning vs Puff is more engaging than sheik getting a major win lmao

[@judeduckworth2363]

commenting to keep your content on my home page

[@Stan-wg7vx]

If you play the video at 1.25x speed he actually talks like a real human

[@ariesomega2487]

Well most top tier shiek mains where just lazy in grinding other mu. And makes sense why waste time just to get the "solo win"

[@suntzu6122]

THE PLAGUE KNOWN AS FACEBOOK LMAOOOOOOO Accurate.

[@mangarino94]

I don't like that you included the dabber in the plup hbox genesis set. Makes light of a huge moment for plup and gives that dweeb attention

[@mangarino94]

Great video regardless lol

[@6dollerbill]

10:46 music?

[@nemezis_prime]

champion nemona battle music

[@alexyoung2104]

Haychbox 🤣 good vid

[@Butterfree_hater]

I didn't know hbox threw 2 chairs lmfao

[@JackCohoon]

WE LOVE YOU CHALER WE DO OOOOOOOH CHALER WE LOVE YOU!!

[@okolo22000]

Did Peach, Ice Climbers or Samus ever win majors?

[@squirrelwithabanana]

Armada literally won 3 genesises in a row

[@lukraniom8731]

9:57 lol hbox had a 1-6 record against hbox 😂

[@mistyleo]

10:51 song name?

[@kikewickens6324]

Common Melee gargantuan W.

[@griffinashley2890]

Amsah won Epita Smash Arena 2 with solo sheik

[@xxximyxxximerton1671]

I mean wasn’t that a France tourney in 2008 I’m gunna assume most NA players didn’t go so it prob isn’t considered a major by people nowadays

[@griffinashley2890]

@@xxximyxxximerton1671 third largest player count of any tournament at the time. Biggest EU tournament until BEAST 5. Prize pool comparable to any NA major. Amsah, Captain Jack, Armada and Masashi. Das a major in my book and many other's

[@charlespoole2065]

I’m a huge hbox fan when it comes to melee mostly due to the fact that fox/puff should be practically unwinnable if the fox is playing to their max potential but I have to say, if knoll had chosen to play fox or even maybe marth he would be as dominant as armada, I think he’s the most skilled in the top 10 and plays almost tas level in most sets it’s just that sheik/ puff is almost as polarizing as fox/puff and if he had that same timing and execution on a character that has no bad matchups or only slightly bad matchups he would be unbeatable

[@JT-ek4rx]

I don't agree with your opinion on the Fox/Puff matchup. People have been saying for forever if Fox plays optimal then Puff can't win, and that never happens. Because no one is ever max potential, especially at a high stakes tournament. All of the top players make mistakes. Plus, you can play against a Puff and get grabbed at 0% and rested can lose your stocks faster than anything, which happens a lot to even the best of them. Unless you're using Bowser, there's no point in framing the competitive experience as unwinnable. It takes away from when the good players win, like moky just played a lot better and is why he ended up beating Hbox at Genesis 9.

[@OnlyTheAzure]

For some reason I thought this was about Marth

[@captainfalconmain6576]

That’s because your new to melee

[@OnlyTheAzure]

Damn, why does that sound so passive aggressive?

[@hc661]

thats melee baby

[@jaspervermeer659]

What's the music at 4:35?

[@nathanpalmiter3260]

Corneria I think by Qumu

[@jaspervermeer659]

@@nathanpalmiter3260 Thank you!

[@rittenhouse3892]

Good vid

[@ApacheSmash]

Hello Chaler

[@arod3295]

HASNT mewtwoking won a major? He’s a shiek main!

[@Revcube]

Solo Shiek main is what it refers to. Plup won one to but secondaries Fox and Samus. M2k secondarying Marth and Fox.

[@samsonturner3692]

put pele up top

[@mrlucius57]

Fun videomaking i have subscribed to the monthly mailing list

[@joemarin1456]

What about Plup winning Genesis 5 in 2018?

[@Rhycebell]

he used fox.....

[@chungboislim2061]

@@Rhycebell Plup: Uses Fox in 1 set Melee scene: Sheik can't win

[@Rhycebell]

@@chungboislim2061 I mean a lot of people said she can, in that instance and within the context of the video. she didn't

[@shiesterjr]

@@chungboislim2061 Plup: Dual mains so he can win jmook: first solo sheik to win a major also, you guys are beyond lost. he played fox the last 9 games in that tornament, you'd be absolutely braindead to think thats a shiek win.

[@chungboislim2061]

@@shiesterjr Well it's even less of a Fox win.

[@hannahbriarly4192]

S tier is disingenuous but I do love jmook

[@legendredux1291]

Yoshi is 2022

[@keylimecookies]

Only s tiers are fox an Marth but okayy

[@LordFartamor]

[@n0lain]

You skipped over Drephen and KirbyKaze 😕 but great vid otherwise

[@cv4126]

Music list?

[@johnnoiom]

Good Egg Galaxy - Super Mario Galaxy Toad’s Factory - Mario Kart Wii Corneria- Star Fox (Smash Bros Ultimate Version) Thanks! - Delf the Editor

[@cv4126]

@@johnnoiom What's the song that starts at 5:43?

[@BlueLass53]

im looking for the song at the outro

[@MrKynzer]

​@@johnnoiomany idea of the song of the outro perhaps?

[@MrKynzer]

​@@BlueLass53did you find it?

[@m2dauffin2]

What language is he speaking

[@orangeflare2662]

Ben is from MN not wisconsin🙃

[@Thewildmanrules]

is that another tea brand?

[@ChalerYT]

don't believe all you read on smash wiki I guess

[@meemameemer5015]

Actually Genesis 8 was in April, not January

[@ChalerYT]

AHHH you are so right god damn it how didnt i catch that

[@chungboislim2061]

@@ChalerYT cause your low quality, low effort video sucks

[@mlalbaitero]

Only cus wobblings banned

[@narhwallord6985]

I'd argue melee is very balanced. 5 ( arguably more ) characters are top tier. In a roster of 30? Pretty damn good

[@MANLETofPEACE]

No hbox in his way though

[@YoureAMitch]

Brooklyn and queens "am I a joke to you" lmao (yes I know its not long island but they are located on long island)

[@redditrepo473]

7:39 Yoshi's major wins all came in 2022

[@compromisedssh]

All the people acting like a sheik just won a supermajor for the first time are expecting us to pretend like plup didn’t already do this, right? Cool. I’ll play along.

[@sinfinite7516]

Bruh SOLO SHEIK, Plup uses Fox dual main

[@compromisedssh]

@@sinfinite7516 very silly technicality lol. I was fully aware that Plup has a secondary fox and Samus when I left my comment. Everyone thinks of him as a sheik player though.

[@shiesterjr]

Did you watch the video? It covers the fact that plup lost over and over because he couldn't beat hbox, so he had to stop solo maining shiek to win majors.

[@UncleKoolaids]

@@compromisedssh ok that's literally the point. Sheik/fox won a major not just sheik lmao insane to be this obtuse

[@simanolastname2399]

And the most obtuse comment of all time goes to...

[@frankotheape7289]

Hold on, melee is balanced. Maybe melee’s character aren’t that balanced but the game is definitely incredibly balanced.

[@chungboislim2061]

Such clickbait nonsense. M2K has soooo many major wins and Plup does too. It's like saying Peach never won because Armada had a Young Link/Fox. Or Falco never won because PPMD used Marth and Mango used Fox/Puff/Falcon/Mario.

[@meemameemer5015]

He's talking about SOLO sheik mains winning a major as in they didn't use any other character in the tournament before.

[@danielsmith5032]

Bad take. He’s talking about solo sheik. I was thinking Plup as well but he used fox for some matchups in his major win

[@chungboislim2061]

@@danielsmith5032 Well my response got deleted for some reason. But I guess I can try again. Obviously I know he's talking about solo Sheik wins. That is apparent from the analogies I gave. It's just misleading because Sheik has had more success than almost any other character in the game's history. Why do we not count all the times M2K and Plup won just because they played another character in sometimes only 1 other set. It's just a silly video hyping up something that isn't noteworthy.

[@mehgamer467]

@@chungboislim2061 no one even is discrediting m2k and plup here except you. Or sheiks success. You are going off on another tangent when this video very clearly is focused on one thing. You are making a bigger deal out of it. They just couldn't do what jmook did. Maybe got close, but no matter what they couldn't get to this point. That doesn't change anything that was said in the video. This is fact.

[@Gabriel64468]

There aren't 5 S-tiers. S-tier is for characters that absolutely transcend everything else. Just put the Top 5 into A tier (A+ if you really want to) or split them up to create a smaller S tier.

[@thebristolbruiser]

This is a party game for children. Why are you taking it so seriously?

[@hitmangfx7162]

Yay, masks and pronouns are all it took to get Sheik over the top. Maybe face shields will help Ganondorf. 👎

[@KevinHernandez-xd3ch]

Zain will never be the goat

[@rannynihilius8481]

If Melee lives another 4 years and he keeps this dominance while mang0 and Hbox slowly fall off he will just be the goat at a point. Y'all forgot about Armada being the undisputed best after about 3 years because mang0 kept playing.