Challenger 3 The Best From NATO

[@_Matsimus_]

Great video brother!! 👍👍

[@BigCroca]

Collab?

[@1IbramGaunt]

@@BigCroca be great if they did do!

[@1IbramGaunt]

Matsimus it's actually nowhere near as good a video as it should be, I normally really like Red Effect's videos but he doesn't seem to have done nearly enough research before making this one- the Challenger 3 WILL have an APS system for example, and it's already been officially said several times that it's going to, and long before this video came out! And the engine's gonna be considerably upgraded from the old one too, at least 1,600 bhp! I doubt it'll do 60mph but it'll definitely still be faster

[@combatantezoteric2965]

no

[@thebigone6969]

You da best of all time Matsimus!!!!

[@misterputin8898]

Challenger 3: You can't defeat me. Leopard 2A7: I know, but he can **Arjun appears**

[@HabszStadT]

Pretty sure a battalion of those Challenger 3s could not even stand a chance in a fight to one of those beasts...

[@bumhole275]

Arjun is a crap tank

[@bumhole275]

@@HabszStadT arjun is a bad tank

[@SweatyBubbles76]

@@bumhole275 sarcasm mate

[@armata2298]

HAHAHHAHAHA

[@kameronjones7139]

Good God if the leopard gets the trophy system it is going to become more of a meme Edit: I was mostly talking about the looks of it.

[@MrTangolizard]

ukdefencejournal.org.uk/shields-icarus-project-provide-british-army-vehicles-active-protection-system/

[@TamamoF0X]

@@MrTangolizard that was in 2017 and probably was relevant to the Chally2 TES. No mentions of Chally3

[@w0lfgm]

It looks like T-90 or T-90A

[@MrTangolizard]

@@TamamoF0X it’s ongoing the idea is to put it on all British armoured vehicles it’s not designed for one vehicle

[@MrTangolizard]

@@TamamoF0X euro-sd.com/2020/07/articles/17806/uk-moves-ahead-on-active-protection-systems-aps/

[@Mixtapen]

They said they will definitely be adding APS, but they have yet to secure a contract or make a decision

[@Exospray]

Plus given how flat the turret sides are you can be sure they have already planned the mounting points

[@1IbramGaunt]

@@Exospray that and on BAE's "Black Knight" tech demonstrator it already had an Iron Fist APS system fitted

[@alexanderswarbrick4105]

They have decided on the trophy now

[@eujintan4849]

Just before Desert Shield deployment, a Warrior IFV was clocked at 120 kph by British police while rushing back to base...

[@truejoshi8569]

You think they were trying to get their beer back to base and keep it cold?

[@nolanolivier6791]

Must have been a Scouse battalion...

[@efsthecrazy]

I think they had run out of tea and needed more supplies

[@truejoshi8569]

@@efsthecrazy Makes sense, I'd rush back to base aswell xD

[@kevanhunt6798]

If true very impressed. Outstanding vehicle

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

So early that the obligatory Arjun memes aren't here yet.

[@youmad7068]

Nop, you are late.

[@mig8287]

Wassup brother

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

@@mig8287 sup man? I wish Papa Putin stopped his Sukhoi bias.

[@babypanda2924]

Yo, how's it feel to know that your parent and Sukhoi are merging?

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

@@babypanda2924 It's going to be ages before we'll ever see a new jet from either again.

[@DwayneHicks323]

I've seen challenger 2s hit over 60kph whilst doing run ins on enemy positions we were going close to 70 in our warrior and were only just keeping up sometimes what's written on paper isn't indicative of what there actually capable of.

[@daifanshi5564]

My friend Alpha Defense says Arjun can beat the Challenger 3, M1A2 SEPv3, T14, and Type 99A in a one-legged ass-kicking contest on ice ...at the same time.

[@evolvedmango1601]

🤣😂🤣😂

[@donxz2555]

Lmao 🤣

[@OninDynamics]

With one shot

[@thehammer7711]

Well let’s consider this. Can the Arjun even equal anything the challenger 2 has done? Correct answer ……. NO. Well from this, if you only improve accuracy from the Challenger 2 to the new tank, then Arjun is dead before it tries to fight.

[@peterwait641]

The Korean K2 is now the best tank in the world lol

[@mr.powell8817]

"How well is it protected?" It's a British tank, Red, we slapped so much armour on the damn thing that it can barely move. Not that it needs to zoom around, you see, as that would make it very difficult for the infantry column to keep pace behind it.

[@jackseaward2330]

*cries in the LFP being 80mm thick*

[@rayhan_2k841]

@@jackseaward2330 not an issue

[@1IbramGaunt]

@@jackseaward2330 try Googling the words "Challenger 2 - Theatre Entry Standard"

[@jackseaward2330]

@@1IbramGaunt That armour only triples the base armour.....maybe follow your own advice??

[@jackseaward2330]

@@EmperorLionflame No it's really not. Like I said above, it only triples the base armour of the tank (80mm) and on top of that it only meant to stop shaped charges from RPGs and ATGMs and not APFSDS.

[@jazzb97]

About the APS if you look at 2:20 it says subject to contract. They'll probably go with one that is already used on Boxer or compatible such as Rheinmetall Active Defence System (ADS) or MUSS by EADS

[@Mgaming61]

That Leopard 2 is literally saying: *"End my miserable life!"*

[@roadrunner6224]

Luckily it‘s only a temporary upgrade for the tanks deployed with the VJTF until a more integrated upgrade will be introduced for the entire fleet.

[@para-tanker]

Lol, you obviously have no idea about the Leo's strengths... it's fire control systems and optics are very probebly better then those of the Armata T-14.

[@Mgaming61]

@@para-tanker I know everything about Leopard 2! After all, It's my most favorite tank ;)

[@para-tanker]

@@Mgaming61 it's about who hits the quickest. You could have a '21 platform, but if it's fcs are crap you would lose to an "80's MBT. Those germans are superior when it comes to enginering, that's a fact.

[@Mgaming61]

@@para-tanker I know :)

[@A_Nice_Guy.]

B-b-but arjun superior rifled gun

[@lepmuhangpa]

Smooth bore's basically peefected now. But I'm sure you're just being sarcastic.

[@christianpatton9364]

Active protection system is mentioned in the official promotional material for Challenger 3. It just says subject to contract so it looks like its still a competitive bid for an as yet undecided system. However iron fist was pictured fitted to the Challenger black knight proposal.

[@tomasmisek5598]

They also tested trophy (thats the one the merkava 4 uses) and some kind of laser APS on the challenger 3

[@rodo9566]

Even Italian Ariete is getting an upgrade. And knowing my country, it could be already obsolete. I hope not. Looking forward to see what you think about it

[@adityabora9131]

Atleast it's getting a better engine. The Brits seem very stubborn where powerpacks are concerned. The Ariete and the B2 centauro working together are surely a force to be reckoned with.

[@thefirstsurvivor7240]

italy is interested in the challenger 3 so they are thinking of buying some, so is spain

[@CabbageBloke]

@@thefirstsurvivor7240 Link?

[@Ale-to3fv]

@@thefirstsurvivor7240 false. We are upgrading our ariete mbt, and looking to develop a new one for 2035, possibly with Poland or GB. We are also trying, in alternative, to enter in the german/france next generation mbt developement

[@ahmadariqdarwish2042]

@@Ale-to3fv lets hope it didnt end up like the navy

[@123asap6]

@redeffect They are planning on having at least MUSS soft kill APS, and apparently hard kill APS is a WIP. The engine is also slated to be 1600HP, not 1200.

[@Jonathan-fb1kj]

So for once they are actually upgrading an engine of an armored vehicle. For some reason they've always been hesitant to do so.

[@123asap6]

@@Jonathan-fb1kj I think the simple reason is the fact that the engine was still based on the goddamn Leyland engine the original chieftain had which basically is asking it to fail once it exceeds 1200 hp. Now that they are actually removing the damn thing and upgrading to the MTU Ka-501 engine they finally can actually get 1500+ hp

[@jwadaow]

That's good and very important, can you source the 1600 figure?

[@123asap6]

@@jwadaow it looks they backed down on the engine upgrade again lmao they are saying 1200 hp again. I dont know when they would make up their mind.

[@Jonathan-fb1kj]

@@123asap6 Welcome to the British government, indecisive as always

[@-Flea]

Joining the Royal Tank Regiment later this year, can’t wait to drive the new beauty

[@hex6970]

thats a long way away

[@smolcat7896]

Hope u never meet a kornet

[@edward.m.r4390]

Good luck brother 🙏 (in a good way)

[@-Flea]

@@smolcat7896 I wouldn’t mind a cornetto!

[@-Flea]

@@edward.m.r4390 thank you my man, good luck to you in whatever you may be doing in your life

[@vernongoodey5096]

Look does the Leopard have a kettle for a brew, that’s what crews want to know

[@bruensal7182]

Btw RedEffect could you please do the Turkish M60TM and the Olifant?

[@signs80]

M60TM is old like T55

[@d3203]

@@signs80 no shit. The Olifant is a Centurion

[@hardcrypt1542]

@@d3203 he said m60tm

[@bruensal7182]

@@signs80 the M60TM is a relatively modern tank. 2nd Generation Gunners and Commanders Thermal Sights, hardkill APS, modern FCS, new engine, modern ERA, RCWS, 120mm smoothbore gun

[@commandergeokam2868]

@@bruensal7182 the sabra not that good but still is a modernized m60 which means ok

[@techontroltreasures6154]

@RedEffect Active protection system is going to be implemented, contract discussions are still ongoing and will be announced soon once decided on what system they want. But it is going to happen as that was announced.

[@adamholliday3391]

I was waiting for this video with glee and anticipation.

[@icepic8719]

The engine on challenger 3 still has the diesal engine but has 1600bhp with a new Transmission, and has said they're considering adding Active Protection System.

[@quentinspaeth1757]

where the fuck did you find that?

[@icepic8719]

@@quentinspaeth1757 Wikipedia lmao

[@Justineexy]

This is an amazing claim by you. But here's an Even more Extraordinary Claim by a 5 star General on social media ( during a comment war ) He said: Quote "Iron Dome is way more protected than that stupid dish washing machine S 400 and who said Iron Dome has 70KM range? You watching Russian propaganda LOL the Iron dome has 500+KM range and the S-400 only has 400 and the Iron dome missile is stronger and it can shoot more missiles at once, Russia mocked US for buying the Iron dome LOL Russia is scared of Iron dome because its better and the best there are no comparison between S-400 and Iron dome because Iron dome totally shits on the S-400" Quote Behold the most broken Comment i have ever heard!

[@icepic8719]

@@Justineexy Damn, that is an extraordinary claim lol

[@Justineexy]

@@icepic8719 I know right, I was speechless...😂 Fun fact, I provided him with links to Rafael's Website, the company that designs and makes Iron Dome is Rafael but somehow he still manages believe Rafael ( A ISRAELI COMPANY ) to be Russian propaganda!

[@lonewanderer5515]

From what is being said the engine will be upgraded to 1600hp. ( Tho i do doubt the 60nph claim ) and there is a active protection system going on it just no word on what system yet.

[@hjalmar4565]

The article on the webside of the MoD says 60 kph.

[@lonewanderer5515]

@@hjalmar4565 does it that's more believable im guessing the 60 mph was a typo

[@hjalmar4565]

@@lonewanderer5515 This is the link: www.gov.uk/government/news/british-army-to-possess-most-lethal-tank-in-europe

[@lonewanderer5515]

@@hjalmar4565 cheers 👍

[@whowhatwhere3748]

@@lonewanderer5515 it’s most likely that they mean the engine can handle 60mph before the engine sustains damage from the speeds

[@janwitts2688]

Technically it's the challenger 4.. my grandad serviced challenger tanks in Normandy. . They were Cromwell hulls with 17pdrs and a lot better than firefly.. no matter what anyone says these days...

[@TANKs-bs3ip]

Ah yes the Challenger A30

[@darnit1944]

Took me a while to get it lmao

[@ukoctane3337]

Just a thing to note, the CV12 has been trialled with 1500HP and potentially 2000HP settings before, but reliability went out the window. Perhaps they made some changes to the transmission/engine components to allow it to run at an increased power?

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

one of the causes of unreliability in engines is often overheating, perhaps the new cooling system is able to overcome that issue. the challenger 2 LEP was supposed also get a rail fuel enjector and cooling system which would bring its hp to 1600. i would not be suprised if these are also done to the challenger 3.

[@bruensal7182]

Last time I was so early, stupid people were saying that rifled is superior over smoothbore

[@daspeed198]

why good sir, that's because HESH is the best ammunition to ever be invented and if you disagree you are just another victim of blatant "American" propaganda

[@hasselnttper3730]

@@daspeed198 That's why Arjun is the best! lol

[@bruensal7182]

@@daspeed198 I like Brits but there was some stupid Nationalists around saying that indeed HESH was superior. Now that the British Army uses smoothbore too, they are all like 🤡

[@jungletroll3844]

@@daspeed198 HESH is so godlike and powerful you dont need a direct hit do obliterate your enemies

[@daspeed198]

@@UserPendingDeletion idk man, sounds like you've been indoctrinated by the yanks

[@gm-kasgaranadamas9018]

It’s just great that Rheinnmetall got the job of building the Challanger 3.

[@Dovoline3]

60mph/100kph isn't a typo, they just haven't shown off what it looks like with the aero kit yet. That front wing gives it some serious downforce, and they did that thing where they use channels under the hull to add additional downforce without adding drag, its neat stuff. Source: My uncle is the the ghost of William Slim.

[@leopardthebismarck1519]

0:56 look mom it’s me!

[@Zeunknown1234]

Lol

[@warhead_beast7661]

A hard Kill active protective System is included in the Challenger 3 contract with BAE and Rheinmetal. But they didnt state which one

[@warhead_beast7661]

it gets Trophy there was one unveiled at DSEI 2021

[@iaminyourwalls2211]

I just wish they would change that lower frontal plate. It's still a major weak point if you ask me.

[@chase7354]

I mean it’s been in service for almost 30years and is yet to be killed so I think it’s not

[@aggressivesloth4675]

That weak lower front allows it to have a much stronger upper plate. On the Leo and Abrams it's reversed.

[@Jin-1337]

What are the chances shells hitting it anyway, tanks will fire center mass so it's not a big deal

[@Heer_Kuipers]

@@Jin-1337 eventually enemies will find out about the weakness and target it i mean its easier to hit than the upper armor

[@iaminyourwalls2211]

@@Jin-1337 that's very near to center mass. Considering it's a massive profile on the hull I wouldn't be surprised if it often did catch a dart

[@edward.m.r4390]

Arjun: hold my curry! 😅😆😆😆😅 I love the arjun!

[@abbabubba]

I miss that good ol' Arjun

[@LOL-cv9it]

Are u indian?Cuz you use too much emojis

[@edward.m.r4390]

@@LOL-cv9it 🤣 jk no I'm not Indian just abusive fan of the arjun obviously it makes me wan't to ❤🧡💜💛💜💜🧡💜💖💜💗❣💗🙈🤎🙈❣💗🖤🖤💗🖤🧡🖤💗💙💗💙

[@emirbenaissa3441]

You never disappoint. thanks mate!!!

[@warmbreeze7996]

Kornet: ah shit here we go again.

[@Azumazini]

It should be noted, other tanks have exceeded that 82kph record, but have not done so without modification that can cause serious damage to the vehicle. The M1 Abrams back in 1984 was clocked doing 65mph, however, it achieved this by removing the speed governor and it was found to be extremely unstable. At that speed the tracks literally start to expand to the point that they can come off the drive wheel due to the centrifugal force from mass/acceleration. The Scorpion can achieve it's speed on a combat load. Honestly I wouldn't want to be anywhere near an Abrams moving at that speed because if it throws a track it could end up in one of the most terrifying flips you would ever witness considering that's 62 metric tons (105mm variant) rolling. It would cause serious damage to anything in the area and most likely kill the crew rolling at that speed.

[@1IbramGaunt]

As for the "not needing TES" it's ALWAYS gonna need TES when going into battle, or the Dorchester/ERA armour blocks to cover that front lower glacis-plate that're FROM the Theatre Entry Standard pack at the very least, it's gonna still need that on there APS or no APS. As for the driver's viewport, show me a tank where that's NOT a weak-spot, the driver still has to see doesn't he, even if you replaced the viewport with cameras instead it'd still be a relatively thin vertical part of the armour. It's also a pretty small target though

[@1IbramGaunt]

@@komradearti9935 what the hell are you talking about? TES would definitely be fitted during "a large scale war", that's what it's bloody FOR lol! Additional protection greater than what's considered necessary during peacetime, and in particular for when going into high-threat environments like the urban warfare in Iraq! And when it IS fitted, that's a solid block of the same Dorchester composite armour as on the turret front, it'll stop anything up to and including a direct hit by 120mm APFSDS. As for "chieftain heritage" the only thing Challenger 3 has in common with Chieftain at this point is a name starting with "C" lol, and as for MBT-80 sure it might have been better but outside of games of War Thunder we'll never know now, that's a discarded prototype whereas the Challenger series is the tank we actually have, gotta just make the most of it

[@1IbramGaunt]

@@komradearti9935 I know perfectly well what I'm talking about 'Komrade', maybe you should study a little harder before trying to lecture me on the subject, TES will stop virtually anything thrown at it kinetic or otherwise

[@Sevoverkill]

An APS is going to be equipped, they simply haven't issued the contract for it. Mainly as neither Rheinmetall or BAE have a APS for sale, so contracting an APS from a third party would have to happen after the annoucement of the contract for RBSL for the Challenger 3

[@markschoning5581]

Of course their is an Rheinmetall APS. AMAP-ADS!

[@arturbalakhnin9770]

Chellenger 3 VS Armata t14 pls. p.s. good video and ye 60 kph sounds more realistic.

[@joshthemigpro1733]

Mph

[@raff257]

@@joshthemigpro1733 the Mph sounds like complete Bullshit

[@davidhouseman4328]

@@raff257 claiming its a typo on a major annoucement sounds bullshit. Especially when it basically currently does 60kph and is a highlighted as a big improvement.

[@veliki_dlek]

@@davidhouseman4328 It's not possible lmao, you wait and see. It's physically impossible it will do 60mp/h with with the same engine, transmission and more mass.

[@Cartoonman154]

He missed out basic details that can be found on the manufactures website and other articles. rbsl.com/assets/news-images/RBSL-infographic---Challenger-2-vs-Challenger-3-(1)-1620408197.pdf

[@cblue3]

Turret and hull armor protection are being upgraded as well. I'd imagine they will likely be replacing the composite with some newer design. Probably accounts for why Challenger 3 is planned to put on a few extra tons of weight.

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

4:29 Somebody watched too much Girls Und Panzer while making that presentation

[@phil20_20]

So, what are we supposed to do about these driver's view ports? Seems like every tank needs one...

[@phil20_20]

Abrams definitely needs the L55. This is awesome. I like the higher pressure upgrade too! 👍🇩🇪🇬🇧👍 When the M1 first came outit was said to be capable of 60mph, but it was then governed to prevent undue wear. Maybe it's something like that.

[@GeneralLee131]

I could definitely see the original M1 hitting 60mph+, weighing only 55t and powered by 1500hp and 5000 ft-lbs of torque, the speed potential certainly added up. Heavy and underpowered Chally tho? Not so much.

[@phil20_20]

​​@@GeneralLee131 That was in trials without the governor of course. 🤗

[@harroscieri7623]

I love you Red effect🎉

[@maggyyolokraut1941]

3:48 awww man give my boy a brake he has now a thicc rear turret and a stunning personality that's all that counts...

[@neilknightley4703]

The new German panther is fire 🔥

[@TubularAnde]

["Land of Hope and Glory" begins to play loudly]

[@ImtheHitcher]

The true national anthem

[@schnitzel_enjoyer]

T14 armata and challenger 3 will have epic stealth battles, nobody will be able to even spot them 🔥🔥🔥

[@waitingforanalibi2224]

They wont. Challenger would just win that. Armata is nowhere to be seen because they have a handful if that. At least we HAVE our tanks!

[@waitingforanalibi2224]

And Dorchester Armour is beyond what the Armata has.

[@Cravendale98]

You almost got it lol. So it will be getting an active protection system (as others have pointed out) and it will also be getting a laser warning system as well. Both of these are on the graphic showing CR2 VS CR3. It also says "upgraded engine and improved cooling" I don't see anywhere where is states it is still 1200hp 🤔

[@1IbramGaunt]

I know right, I'm actually genuinely disappointed in Red Effect here, he really doesn't seem to have done his research first properly on this one

[@thewomble1509]

@@1IbramGaunt Surprise, surprise.

[@ghostcarp]

Challenger 3 will be getting an Active Protection System, it is just subject to contract. Also the Challenger 3 will be receiving the 1600bhp engine fitted on the Royal Engineer's variant of Challenger 2. Some better research may have been a good idea.

[@HJDore]

The CV12-8A fitted to the “royal engineers variant” runs at 1200hp.

[@agt155]

@@HJDore I believe the hydraulic fan cooling packs have a fan disconnect which effectively gives them an extra 100 bhp for short bursts. People pay way too much attention to rated bhp figures. For example leopard 2's cooling fans consume 20% of its engine power compared to CR2's 8%.

[@lainehobbs639]

Not sure if I misread it on the diagram 2:18, but it does suggest Challenger 3 gets an Active Protection System and is currently subject to contract. Not sure if you are referring to that one hasn't been agreed or not, but is definitely up for review according to diagram.

[@poccer7722]

Idk, Originally I thought Trophy looked alright on the Leopard when viewed from above, made the turret look even more buff. But from the front... jesus christ, it looks like they would fall off during a bumpy ride or something...

[@oddball1999]

Doesn't the chally 2 megatron 2013 have commander thermals? or am i getting that mixed up with something else

[@1IbramGaunt]

Nope, you're quite right

[@T33K3SS3LCH3N]

Challenger 3: adopting the Leopard 2A7 gun and fire control Challenger 4: adopting the Leopard 2A7 turret Challenger 5: adopting the Leopard 2A7 hull

[@kalicom2937]

I had heard that CR3 was going to get a fairly major engine upgrade, which makes sense since the current engines are getting very very long in the tooth now.

[@adamevans1989]

The CV12 will also recieve a new common rail injection system, so combined with an improved cooling system we could see a bump in power. It's not just the same old CV12 with some better radiators and intercoolers.

[@tankdriver65861]

nope, your wrong. its getting the same type of engine (CV-12 8A), seen in the titans, trojans etc. However its not the exact same, it has a few differances. CV-12 common rail will NOT be happening. At least on the perkins CV-12, whether they go onto MTU's Europack is a different question.

[@peterwait641]

@@tankdriver65861 CV9A uprated turbos and mechanical fan cooling, CV8A has hydraulic fan pack which is not suitable without replacing rear of tank to incorporate louvered section as per T2 and unwanted increase in weight. Common rail not suited to fuel system as bacteria and fungus seems to grow in fuel bags, this is made worse by bio-diesel !

[@tankdriver65861]

@@peterwait641 the turbos aren’t really uprated they are a little bit different, but not much, yes the pack is getting the cooling changes which will help, but the main difference with 9A is the inlet manifold

[@peterwait641]

@@tankdriver65861 the new imh merely reduces smoke on cold starts as is just heating elements.

[@tankdriver65861]

@@peterwait641 Yh, I know, I’ve tested the 9A, the 9A is just an Army stopgap, realistically they want a common engine across all platforms, the only thing the 9A brings to the table which the 6A doesn’t is a better torque rating at lower RPM’s. But that’s really about it. Either way, we need a common rail CV-12 but it’s not gonna happen any time soon

[@seafaring41]

Challenger 2: *Challenger 3 exist* Challenger 2: You know the rules, and so do I

[@cheese5331]

what?

[@lukabogdanovic4658]

What the hell

[@Neion8]

@@cheese5331 Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna turn around and hurt you! (except for the one time where friendly fire took out a challenger 2)

[@ashleygoggs5679]

the challenger is getting a new engine, it is stated in its unveil video that it will be getting a powerpack upgrade. I dont know why you missed that as it was one of the biggest upgrades mentioned.

[@Jonathan-js3vi]

The powerpack upgrade is only the new cooling, still 1200hp.

[@1IbramGaunt]

@@Jonathan-js3vi nope, engine's been upgraded too, increased to 1600bhp

[@poccer7722]

@@1IbramGaunt I'm actually really confused at this point. wikipedia mentions a 1600hp engine, I remember the presentation mentioning it as well. However, army mod uk doesn't mention an upgrade to the engine at all. The speed given also only makes sense if they mean 60 KPH. The Tank got heavier, but the improved cooling allowed it to keep it's max speed. But if it really got 400 extra hp, you would expect it's top speed to go into the 70s or maybe 80s, which fits neither 60 KPH nor 60 MPH. So yeah, for now I don't see it having a 1600 HP engine. Unless we discard the 60 MPH/KPH as bogus info, in which case good job with the presentation guys.

[@1IbramGaunt]

@@poccer7722 the engine's gonna be upgraded, trust me, regardless of whether the MOD are actually officially saying so yet. It'd be stupid to upgrade or replace or improve just about everything else (and increase the already-heavy weight) and leave the engine the exact same, especially since the underpowered engine was one of the main problems the Challenger 2 had in the first place

[@1IbramGaunt]

@@poccer7722 as for the speed thing just ignore the 60mph/100kph thing, that was clearly a mistake or typo or exaggeration. The tank will probably just do a little better than the CR2 in that department, say about 40mph on a good day on roads and maybe 20 over rough ground, which isn't exactly racing car quick I know lol but what do you expect with a 70-ton tank, and it's still better than before and enough to get the job done

[@theanglo-lithuanian1768]

The only Challenger 2s to be disabled in combat were by friendly fire. I can't wait for the Callenger 3. ❤🇬🇧

[@command_unit7792]

Not many where actually made or actually deployed in active combat.

[@zhufortheimpaler4041]

whats your definition of disabled? because disabled means mobility kill, firepower kill, mission kill or destructive kill

[@overlord4404]

Didnt one get penned by a soviet era rpg and cost the driver his leg

[@1IbramGaunt]

@@overlord4404 only in one specific part of the Challenger 2's armour, the front lower plate, and while the tank was driving up a ramp (well known as a weak-spot in the armour, but one that has since been corrected with extra armour as part of the Theatre Entry Standard kit). Other Challenger 2's stood up to multiple RPG hits without difficulty though, in one case a Challenger 2 sustained 14 hits by RPG's and at least one from an ATGM, and another actually sustained 70 separate RPG hits, and both came out of it just fine

[@resurgentclassbattlecruise7698]

@@1IbramGaunt With RPGs made from the mid-1950s and early 1960s with minimum ability to penetrate armor. They were not Kornet DM missiles that were 152.4 millimeters in calibers with tandam-shaped charges and advanced sensors and destination modes and capabilities. There were missiles with less than 500 millimeters of penetration. Compared to Kornet DM with over 350 percent greater penetration and no its 82 millimeters early 1960s RPG unguided missile.

[@makoado6010]

with this upgrades almost hit the level of leo2a1 from 1979.

[@militaryanalysis5028]

Nah come on it isn't THAT bad

[@militaryanalysis5028]

@@EmperorLionflame Yeah no. The Leo 2A4 was definitely better than the Challenger 1. Only the later Challenger 2 upgrade was finally on par with the Leo 2A4, but still inferior to the A5 and A6 at that time. The Challenger 1 was by far the worst out of the three new Western MBT's in the 1980's. It had the worst fire-control and worst armor protection: a big vulenrable lower hull front and also a big gap in the upper hull front armor where the driver's hatch is. The Leopard 2 and Abrams had much better coverage of composite armor on the hull. Also the leopard 2 already had an independent commander's panoramic sight from the start, being the first tank with this feature, which the Challenger and Abrams still lacked at that time. And in the 1990's the Leopard 2A5 and M1A2 Abrams received a new independent thermal sight for the commander for better hunter-killer ability, but even the Challenger 2 still did not have a CITV (it only received a normal daylight periscope for the commander, but it didn't have thermal vision). Only the new Challenger 3 upgrade in 2021 finally received a CITV which the other western tanks already had 30 years ago. The rifling gun also didn't help much, which has finally been replaced with superior smoothbore gun 40 years later.

[@makoado6010]

@@EmperorLionflame even a challenger 2 had rifled cannon... after 80 years of the ww2... the challenger is the worst nato tank.

[@makoado6010]

@CSO Class Supercarrier Halo The Fall Of Reach challenger 2 is somevere at level of leopard 1.

[@reubenjackson7829]

hey APS probally will will be implemented they just haven't descided what type or company think they talked about it on forces news

[@thatguykeelan1753]

Actually the photo at 2:19 said it was going to receive an active protection. It's possible that he just missed it though.

[@reubenjackson7829]

@@thatguykeelan1753 I missed that photo too then in the video😂

[@johnnyho3702]

The M1 abrams while under development hit over 60 mph but that was with the speed governor removed, but still I think the challenger could hit 60. It’s just that i think one of the limiting factors was the suspension and tracks, but the the upgrade of supsension that was fixed and thanks to a better cooling system the Challenger 3 can now hit 60 Mph, but i dont know and its just a speculation.

[@poccer7722]

I don't think that will be possible. The CR2 is a very heavy tank, and we have no reason to believe that the CR3 will be any lighter. Also the biggest engine upgrade I have seen people claim the CR3 gets is a 1600hp engine. Even if thats true, that's only 100 hp more than the Leopard 2, which reaches ~75 kph. I really don't think that an improved suspension, better cooling and 100 extra horsepower can increase the CR3s top speed by 20 kph :/

[@johnnyho3702]

@@poccer7722 yeah i totally get that! But the Abrams is a very heavy tank not much heavier but still lighter than the Cr3 and I think more importantly that it’s the gearbox and how that is setup that governs the speed and not the engine. With longer gear ratios and such I think I would be possible with the downside of acceleration being slower, but I totally get you and the CR3 with a 65 ton weight with that increasing to well over 70 with the theatre package it might seem impossible. And in my opinion I really think that a better suspension systems and cooling can make it a tad better off with the speed as both of them is a major factor of the speed delivery. Suspension is a big limitation to speed since it’s whats needing to deal with the bumps and weight of the tank, so by improving that you can maybe take of the governor on the cr3 but that is only if it ever had one and if not then I really think it’s just a typo.

[@poccer7722]

@@johnnyho3702 Yeah, I'm basically already set on it being a typo. If it weren't, they wouldn't have passed it off like a minor bullet point, because if this were true it would be goddamn revolutionary xD

[@johnnyho3702]

@@poccer7722 and like i said the m1 with a 60 ton weight did 100, so it’s not that unrealistic, but 100 kph is fast and harsh on tank threads, suspension and fuel consumption so that’s why it was governed. And it has only released that it could do 100 not that it was the actual top speed since that is still classified.

[@johnnyho3702]

@@poccer7722 i also think that by the time this tank is put into service that the quirks and the problems would be fixed so that the tank can hit 100 since it’s still a bit of time before it gets put into service, but for all I know the 100kmh claim is just to say that it’s faster than the t14 which has a claimed top speed of 80-90kmh.

[@Showycz]

Could you sometime in the future do t-72m4cz, just some mention and comparison pls

[@alanch90]

Engine will be upgraded to a 1500hp version of the current one under a different program, HAAIP. However there NO WAY that increase in hp/t would allow Cr3 to get to 100 km/h.

[@HJDore]

No it’s not. HAAIP concluded with the decision to use the CV12-8A but being it up to a 9A standard.

[@ArielK-a]

does it beat Arjun tho?????????

[@Pepella]

60mph? How daring are we today! We wouldn't want our boys spilling their tea now would we?

[@eziekkiel5876]

Can you please do a video on the Canadian Leopard 2A4M CAN? I am interested on what you think of the system and if you can find any interesting facts about it.

[@mentoriii3475]

0:41 you can see the shell going the other side of the tank

[@CamelBop]

I am Russian and I gotta say : holy shit this Challenger looks really promising , very good engineering by the brits.

[@1IbramGaunt]

And by the Germans too, joint project

[@TuubiName]

Did you forgot to put sarcasm tag? "They decided to buy British.Challenger 3 will be produced by Rheinmetall". It is challenger 2 hull with leopard 2 turret. Mod specified "Fully digital turret system" is propably achieved with digital camo pattern and someones niece installing discord server on it. /s

[@jwadaow]

@@TuubiName It is a Challenger 3 turret, a newly made turret and in this case the division of Rheinmetall has been merged with BAE so the technology can remain in-house with Britain. The reason for that is there will be a future tank project which will involve the expertise gathered among different partners. Likely a multinational armoured-vehicle project. The alternative was to procure Leopard but instead they chose to develop technology and go with this approach looking towards getting a bigger part of the potential future project.

[@thijshagenbeek8853]

What I really like more then annything is that with the new turret it is still such a massively sexy tank.

[@rayhan_2k841]

Red missed a shit load of info. The Hull is getting new armor too

[@mitchfromtheinternet297]

News on the engine keeps changing, now they’re saying it’s going to have the 9A version of the CV12, not the 8A as originally stated. The 9A is an upgrade by Caterpillar, and apparently makes 1500bhp.

[@realmealdeal1999]

Hey Red effect. I was watching another video about this tank and I believed this tank had an upgraded engine to provide an extra 100hp and also a LWR on top? Edit: Looking online at the British Army website the tank does now include an active protection system in its overhaul. Edit Edit: The tank according to this article can reach the top speed of 60mph in accordance to this article : www.forces.net/news/challenger-3-what-will-armys-upgraded-main-battle-tank-be But also the new FCS also doubles as an LWR.

[@icepic8719]

1600bhp engine with LWR from what the Brits said

[@realmealdeal1999]

@@icepic8719 yes. I just want to be sure. I’ll give it a quick look online and provide any sources I use :)

[@icepic8719]

@@realmealdeal1999 it's actually on Wikipedia recently

[@realmealdeal1999]

@@icepic8719 I personally wouldn’t use Wikipedia but the other articles do confirm this change :)

[@icepic8719]

@@realmealdeal1999 I guess, but I doubt it would go 60mph on 1200hp engine lol

[@ehall0]

To your point about active protection systems. As the design is not yet complete, and is rumoured to remain in development for at least the next 5 years, the Royal United Services Institute stated that an active protection system is likely to be included in the final design. Which active protection system? I have no idea, but it's definitely being discussed, and may well be included.

[@CabbageBloke]

Hard Kill APS has been confirmed, they're just waiting to sign the contract.

[@jackseaward2330]

No it hasn't. Only the infrastructure to support APS has been added to the tank. APS was not part of the initial LEP program.

[@CabbageBloke]

@@jackseaward2330 I suggest you go to the British Army and their official website then, as they're saying with their info that you're full of shit.

[@jackseaward2330]

@@CabbageBloke That the same one that say's it can go 60 mph?

[@CabbageBloke]

@@jackseaward2330 Red Effect got the power output wrong and the engine upgrades it is getting. Direct Injection and upgraded cooling.

[@DarkSoul1992]

Imagine the sound of mowing through the plains at 100 km / h. Lmao could be heard for over 50 miles. There's an old meme where a Leopard 2 tank crew removed part of the engine (kind of a speed limiter). The tank ran near 78 km / h for 10 minutes on the "Autobahn" before the engine overheated. People in the nearby town thought a thunderstorm had rolled over. And this was about 30 km from the tank.

[@Frank-vh5bu]

Challenger 3, Challenger 2 with German cannon and more sensors, ok, now is able to follow Leopard 2. As soon as the Leopard 3 appears, it will be even more noticeable that it is obsolete...

[@fredsas12]

An acquaintance of mine from work used to serve in the RAC as a Challenger 2 Gunner. He told me that the tank was very capable of doing over 70kph (as it did in the second Iraq war). The official speed of the tank is actually the electronically limited speed, but it was common practice for the crew to remove limiter and effectively go straight up to the engine max redline at which point the tank would be gear ratio limited to about 74kph without affecting its mechanical reliability. Apparently, lots of crew also did work on their engines that allow them to surpass the factory output. He estimated that his tank had about 2000hp, that's about 800hp more than the "stock" engine, though of course with no dyno to bench the engine on, he couldn't be accurate.

[@roadrunner6224]

You are not nearly doubling the output of any ice without replacing major components.

[@thebigone6969]

It’s good but can it beat the Arjun, the greatest tank in the history of the known universe?

[@peterread6967]

That Leopard seems to have a huge shot trap between turret and main body.....

[@nerd1000ify]

Ad I understand it the outer layer of the turret armour is pretty thin, so shells will punch right through it without being deflected much. There are multiple layers of composite behind there that do the job of actually stopping the round.

[@leozord04]

What sort of tea-infused magic did they put on the Challenger 3 to make it go about as fast as a EE-9 Cascavel!?

[@tomsoki5738]

It’s getting a hard kill active protection system too, they just haven’t chosen which contract yet

[@eslSlightz]

But it can’t compete with Arjun 🥸

[@soto1649]

I know the joke but even 2a4 can outclass that tank

[@poccer7722]

@@soto1649 If you know the joke, why don't you go along with it :(

[@robertnemeth6248]

Not a view port it periscope just like the Me, Leopard. The lower plate was upgraded with extra Dorchester plate - so not a weak spot. The gun is the L55 120 A1 , The Leopard A7 has the L55 not the A1 so the CH3 will mount the most powerful gun. The power pack will be 1500bhp. It will get the Trophy APS and a laser warn ing system, So most of your 'weakness have already been addressed. Challenger 2 has 3 part amo, the charge, the penetrator and an initiator. There will also be a full modular armour add-on kit for treater entery. No Challenger has ever been lost to the enemy and Challenger3 will be built to keep that record.

[@ChankaTheOne]

When new French video?

[@Tomartyr]

Rheinmetall only has a 55% share in RBSL btw

[@RTankist]

"The best from NATO" Putin: Russian laugh

[@TonyWulf66]

If only the T-14 was good for anything other than parades

[@RTankist]

@@TonyWulf66 хахахахахаха you Joke me?

[@para-tanker]

@@TonyWulf66 well, T-14 is more like a demostrator.... No decent amounts are comming as they lack funds...

[@1IbramGaunt]

It IS getting an Active Protection System though, they have said so, it's just not decided what model yet! And an upgraded engine producing 1,600 bhp, it's the same MODEL of engine sure but with significant improvement! And yes, the 60 MPH thing was clearly just a typo, no need to make a big deal out of it

[@poccer7722]

yeah I defenetly believe that. It would be incredibly stupid to buy an Upgrade for the Challenger 2 so advanced they call it Challenger 3 and NOT upgrade one of the biggest drawbacks of the CR2 - its engine. Also, while we might all agree this is a typo, there's actually a dude running around in the comments insisting that the CR3 would have no problems hitting 60 mph :')

[@1IbramGaunt]

@@poccer7722 exactly. In the final version it's almost certainly gonna have the Theatre Entry Standard extra armour fitted too, as seen on the "Megatron" tech-demonstrator, along with probably the Iron Fist APS shown on the "Black Knight" one, so protection is NOT gonna be an issue either

[@poccer7722]

@@EmperorLionflame Hey, you are actually that dude I was referring to :D

[@AdmiralGrafSpee100]

T72 b Best tank. Muhaha. Naa Only fun. I really like your chanell and your Kontent.

[@drsm7947]

arjun tank is the best tank lol

[@theanglo-lithuanian1768]

@@drsm7947 Are you dumb? The Bob Semple is by far the best.

[@TheAmericanLarper]

@@theanglo-lithuanian1768 no no. You are completely wrong again, we all know that the best tank belongs to world renown designer Leonardo Da Vinci and his tank that has the capabilities at firing at all directions!

[@AdmiralGrafSpee100]

@@TheAmericanLarper hahaha😂, i totally forgot about that. You are right.

[@robertdole5391]

I have been waiting for this!

[@lordemarsh6804]

Challenger the best,leopard second aaand abrams (just to keep it in the game)

[@Johnny641]

I served on CR1 and CR2. The biggest gripe we had when CR2 was introduced was having the same power pack as the CR1. I was hoping they were just going to use the 2E hull with the MTU pack for CR3. I was under the impression that a new engine was being fitted ? Whether that is the MTU pack or an uprated CV12 I have no idea. I hope it is not the latter though. As for the weakness of the front plate and Dvr's viewport, that is not something that would concern me. The front plate can be up-armored and if fighting in a European environment you are meant to be engaging from a hull-down position anyway. Most Tank soldiers would be more concerned with an Arty round landing on top of the wagon which would be a very bad day.

[@tankdriver65861]

we do the engines at work mate, and a lot of us were under the impression that it would get the Europack, I think it would be better. But its gonna be an engine similar to the 8A

[@m1a1abrams3]

I’m better than challenger 3. Even arjun is better than challenger me.

[@at-90ree13]

Hell, even I'm better than Challenger 3, and I'm a base model T-90A

[@123123baztard]

Great video, good commentary as well. You failed to point out however that in a combat drinking scenario surely the British crew would have advantage 🍻

[@robertnemeth6248]

No armour - Challenger 2 had its lower frontal armour replaced with a Dorchester block - you know this as you mentioned it in your Megatron vid. The front is no longer a weak spot. Also the drivers 'site' is in fact a periscope that goes through the armour at 90 degrees. This is not a weak spot. Also both the hull and the turret will get an armour upgrade - the latest British armour.

[@militaryanalysis5028]

The driver spot is a weak spot. A ver big weakspot in fact. The big perioscope that you can see in the Upper Hull Front is in fact the turret ring (the turret ring is right behind that perioscope). Basically the big gap in the Upper Hull Front leads to the weak turret ring which is only around 100-200mm at most (of course this is a common weakspot in all other tanks too, but the Challenger has by far the biggest gap there because of the periscope). So any hit there will penetarte it, even 30mm autocannons can probably penetrate it.

[@OiSam-ir9me]

Not in a thousand years would I ever want to go 60mph in a chally.

[@oliverhobbs2231]

I heard there where talks about a trophy system for the chally 3, but they havnt signed for them yet. But then again not too sure.

[@saint_penrose512]

That Challenger 3 story reminds me of how T-72M was renamed into T-90, when USSR had fallen

[@willmartin1033]

A couple of errors here. Trophy has been selected for the APS and the engine has been de-restricted. That's what gives it the speed.

[@WrenoYT]

Just a couple things, the drivers view port on challenger 2 is not a weak spot. while it looks like one, as far as I know there's a slab of composite behind the viewport. also they're also looking into giving challenger 3 an aps, they just haven't chosen it yet the engine and transmission are definitely getting an upgrade, I don't see why you think they are, it was even mentioned in the video - and yes, it can go 100kph. the rheinmetall demonstrator could go 115 but it tore the track off in testing so it was limited and the hull armour will most certainly be getting an upgrade, the rheinmetall 130mm demonstrator had new armour and that was another competitor for challenger 3 but was declined because it was too expensive, however afaik that armour is being put on the one chosen

[@militaryanalysis5028]

No, there is definitely not composite armor behind the periscope, there is Oy the turret ring, which is the most vulnerable part of a tank. There is not even any space for composite armor in that spot since thats where the turret ring is.

[@davec5153]

Thats what i was wondering, how can you upgrade a 1200hp engine to go at 60 miles an hour. However, even Matsimus says it will run at 60mph and he used to fix the challenger 2 engines in the Army. He also said its a knew engine pack and he knows someone thats working on the knew engine. So i don't think its a typo, it must be a knew engine. Maybe its some reconditioned second hand leopard 2 engines and thats why they are not saying its a knew engine. If they also said its a German engine, the claim that's its still a british tank, with its German turret and gun, makes it sound like its not a British tank. Maybe thats why the information on the engine is so conflicting.

[@davec5153]

@@EmperorLionflame I watched Matsimus video again and he doesn't mention it traveling at 60mph, so I'm thinking, maybe it is a typo. The leopard 2 only travels at 58mph with its 1500hp engine. I've never hear of challenger 2 traveling at 50mph, maybe, if it was at its lightest, traveling down the side of a mountain.

[@hjalmar4565]

@@EmperorLionflame Defence Secretary Ben Wallace said 60 mph, but politicians in the UK have no clue what they are talking about. This article talks about 60 kph: www.gov.uk/government/news/british-army-to-possess-most-lethal-tank-in-europe.

[@emilsinclair4190]

@@EmperorLionflame basically every official source says that the top speed is 60km/h so I think that your numbers are most likely typos.

[@emilsinclair4190]

@@EmperorLionflame yes I think that there was a typo in your source. Every other source claims that it can do 50 km/h. Even if we just take a look at the energy this would not make any sense. And if we compare it to other countries it becomes obvious that 50 miles is not realistic. The engine is not strong enough for this. And the challenger is not built very aerodynamic so this would not make any sense.

[@playersinexile72]

Even your own video states the APS is subject to contract...so it will have it it just hasn't been decided what it will be.