Challenger 392 Shaker vs 1970 Road Runner 426 hemi - PURE STOCK DRAG RACE (factory stock)

2015 (?) Dodge Challenger 392 Shaker vs 1970 Plymouth Roadrunner 426 - Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race - Factory Stock Drag Race
First car is a 1970 Plymouth Roadrunner 426 Hemi with a 727 TorqueFlite automatic transmission. What a rocket! Our second car is a Dodge Challenger 392 Shaker, which also has a TorqueFlite automatic transmission. However, this one is an 8-speed! Who do you think will win?
Oh yeah, make sure you watch the whole video so you don't miss the bonus footage of the 1970 Plymouth Road Runner take on a 1970 Buick GS 455!
Remember, both cars participate in Factory Stock class through F.A.S.T drag racing. Make sure you visit their website. www.fastdrags.com
Here are the Factory Stock rules:
Rules
For 1955 to 1979 muscle cars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Drivetrain:
Automatic Transmissions: The transmission and torque converter must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Shift improver kits are allowed. After-market shifters are not allowed. No manual valve bodies. No lightweight internal components allowed.
Manual Transmissions: The transmission must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. 3-speeds may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
Rear Axles:
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed. Driveshaft safety loops are mandatory on all cars 13.99 and faster!
Engine:
Must be factory correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Dealer installed engines and dealer performed engine modifications are not allowed. Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Modifications are prohibited. Blocks do not have to be "numbers-matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only. NO strokers! Random P&G checks are possible. Compression may be increased to the greater of NHRA allowable stock blue print or 1.5 over advertised compression. NHRA
Electrical System:
The battery must be retained in the original location and securely fastened down with the original style hold down. The charging system must be fully operational at all times.
Fuel System and Carburetor:
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Pulleys:
All pulleys must be factory issue, and they must have the correct diameters for the year and horsepower claimed for the engine.
Valve Train:
The complete valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Rocker arm ratio must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed. Roller tip rockers allowed as long as correct ratio is used.
Camshaft:
The camshaft must be correct for the model, year, and horsepower claimed for duration, lift, and type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). No roller cams allowed.
Exhaust:
Cast iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. NO internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. The exhaust system may be upgraded to a maximum of 2.5-inch head and tail pipes.
Ignition System:
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
Cooling System:
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
Suspension:
Front Suspension: Stock springs and shocks must be retained. Drag springs and shocks that allow excessive lift during launches are NOT allowed.
Rear Suspension: Traction devices are limited to hop-stop bars for the upper control arms on coil-spring cars. Pinion snubbers and clamping of springs are allowed on leaf-spring cars. No slapper bars or ladder bars of any kind are allowed unless originally equipped at the factory.
Tires & Wheels:
Reproduction tires or radial tires only. No soft compound tires of any kind allowed. Retread tires are not allowed. Use of traction compounds or rubber-softening chemicals on tires are strictly prohibited.
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#mopar #roadrunner #dodgechallenger

[@CarsAndZebras]

Make sure that you guys join the, “Stock Appearing Drag Racers” group on Facebook and show some support for these drivers. If it weren’t for them, you wouldn’t be watching these videos!

[@joshuacohn2004]

Ok cool!

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍

[@patrickmcwilliams9030]

That is what I expected in the first race weight as horsepower the old muscle cars way lighter weight is horsepower!!

[@ibizaberrokal5601]

1970 Road Runner VS 1969 Camaro Copo ZL 1,,, Who Win ???

[@tct9mm151]

As much as I like the new Challengers (especially the DEMON) , I'd far prefer the Road Runner!

[@CarsAndZebras]

Well, you’ll have to hang in there because I’ve got quite a bit of demon footage for the future

[@gordocarbo]

Me too. Id firm the suspension up a bit put vintage ac on it and daily it every chance I got! We aint guaranteed tomorrow or that we wont wake up and not be able to walk.

[@LITTLE1994]

Yes! The old Hemi Road Runner still got 'em! Yeah, the modern ones are crazy in horsepower these days, but the classic Mopars are far cooler and more raw.

[@MrTheHillfolk]

Yea it's kind of a bummer how heavy modern cars are. Even a lowly 2003 VW golf my dad had, it weighed like 32-3300 pounds. Didn't a zo6 Vette of the time weigh close to that? What a porker for a small car. Yea safety bla bla ,no doubt I'd rather wreck in a new car vs and one but darnit ,they don't quite have the soul of the old stuff.

[@ahope4u2]

LITTLE .....yep....had a 1965 Hemi sport Fury...a 1968 Dodge Charger and a 1970 Super Bee....I wish I had them now or the money they are worth now....I am 64 and still dream about the cars of my youth.....

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍

[@LITTLE1994]

@@ahope4u2 My dream car is a 1969 Charger R/T with the Hemi.

[@tvoovm7254]

You're right, these modern muscle cars will never top the aesthetics of classic mopar cars.

[@parodynuts5407]

Wait a minute…THERE’S A BONUS RACE?! I DIDN’T REALIZE IT WAS CHRISTMAS ALREADY

[@CarsAndZebras]

A little present for those who actually watch the entire video

[@calebrose4607]

man, that road runner was quick as hell!!

[@LITTLE1994]

Can't mess with the mighty Hemi!

[@calebrose4607]

@@LITTLE1994 damn right!! them 426 hemis are really no joke! and they sound amazing!

[@CarsAndZebras]

It’ll actually break into 11s....but I have to save that footage for another video 😎

[@calebrose4607]

@@CarsAndZebras SERIOUSLY???? THAT'S INSANE!!!! and this car was made in 1970!!! the new Mustang Shelby GT500 runs in the 11s, so basically, Chrysler wasn't messing around in the 60s and early 70s then, since cars built by them back then can almost out perform modern performance cars! this literally blows my mind

[@joedirt5570]

Love the Mopars,but if the dude in the GS turned off the AC....

[@jeffcuevas5918]

So basically after 50 years we still can't get back to the moon or beat a real Hemi.... I don't know if I should be sad or very excited.

[@okiegrandboater]

Compare fuel mileage and safety technology for the win

[@eternalthread7846]

@@okiegrandboater no one cares about that pussy shit

[@badgerbait8351]

So, which engine can the owner actually work on? Which engine would still fire up after an EMP from a nuke? Which transmission can be rebuild on the kitchen counter top with a Chilton's repair manual and a six pack of Bud? Which one has sheet metal that can withstand a hail storm with pea-sized hail? Which one has a hood scoop that actually serves a purpose? Which one offends Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez the most with it's rich, eye-burning dual quads? Yeah, no contest.

[@1967davethewave]

I like the old school car too but the shaker on the new Challenger is functional.

[@badgerbait8351]

@@1967davethewave Functional, to some extent. The modern shaker hood is not an engine air source. I believe it serves to assist with engine cooling only. The engine's combustion air comes through the driver's side headlight. The engine is totally operational without the shaker. However, the air grabber used in 1970 is the primary source of engine combustion air. Nothing else.

[@calebemerson9317]

Badger Bait that air grabber does nothing. It’s cool for looks but fictionally it does little if anything. There is a boundary layer or air riding on the car that only travels about 10mph at high speeds. Ergo, not really any air going in. It’s just cool.

[@badgerbait8351]

@@calebemerson9317 Man, I am certainly no expert on the mopar inductions, but I have to disagree with you on this one! Looking at the air cleaner, it is totally encased in a sealed box that is part of the hood. Once the hood closes, the air cleaner has no other means of getting air other than the hood scoop, so it appears. Even if the air grabber scoop becomes less effective at speed, it would still provide cooler air even if it's in a low air pressure spot?!

[@joec3090]

One's still being made, the other one isn't. You get what you can get, unfortunately. At least it's a MOPAR.

[@danpickar5442]

Its amazing to me the power they created back then. That much technology, power, and speed in cars yet color TVs were just becoming standard!

[@CarsAndZebras]

Just old fashioned brute force 👍

[@1redrubberball]

Yeah, but color tv still looked crappy and unrealistic for another decade after that. I finally bought my first one in '86.

[@patrickmcwilliams9030]

The engines they put in these new cars today I just a bunch of tricks and chips nowhere near the pur e power of the old mussel cars of old!

[@taskforce555]

Very impressive. I would like to know how faster Road Runner can go with wider wheels and good drag tires, it would be huge difference.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Not sure. I’ll have to ask the owner if he’s tried. I’d think it’d knock of at least a couple 10ths

[@MichaelMitchell-eo6cb]

I’m pretty sure the rear tires are not anything near the originals in width or compound!

[@jameskester7745]

@@MichaelMitchell-eo6cb I thought they had to run the original bias ply in pure stock? I might be wrong

[@parodynuts5407]

That means we should see a high pressure front of sexiness move quickly down the quarter-mile followed shortly by a brief shower comprised of… Tears of joy

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍😎

[@g00dl00kinb0i]

Wow, now I know why the Road Runner nameplate wasn't reincarnated yet, nothing factory stock in production today is yet fast enough to properly honor that original car's incredible performance!

[@therealhonestabe7839]

I’m buying a demon because I want to have a fetal cardiac arrhythmia every time I accelerate

[@culcune]

😅😅😳😳

[@andrew_TTv]

The REAL Honest Abe 😂😂😂

[@parodynuts5407]

Interesting match. Newer heavier car with more hp vs older simpler car that just uses pure brute force.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Very true!

[@netrioter]

And you can buy that performance new..for 40 grand..if you want 10 second times..you can get a Hellkitty for 60

[@frigglebiscuit7484]

@@netrioter and i can build that performance for like 5k,including car.

[@Sloppyjalopy123]

You definitely deserve a lot more subs, always hilarious, always interesting. Keep it up bro!

[@CarsAndZebras]

I’m lucky to get these views. Muscle cars are a dying trend, so it’s hard to find people that are interested

[@MrTheHillfolk]

9:05 Thank you for the final gas pass,it made my day complete.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Just doing my duty (doodie?)

[@melvinbennett444]

The Plymouth Roadrunner and the Dodge Super Bee were the same cars basically. Loved them both. Being my first car was a '73 Charger SE. The Roadrunner commercial from 1970 or so was great and I immediately recognized the distinctive voice of William Conrad (Cannon) doing the voice over. Would love to see Dodge, bring back the Roadrunner as well, as they did the Super Bee.

[@Uptown59]

That is a nice 1970 Plymouth Roadrunner, my favrite car in history.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Very clean car! 😎

[@tristanclark7795]

I was betting on the old road runner to win with power to weight advantage and boy those old Hemis deliver! Not bad weight either for a big ol car with a massive iron block!

[@paulallison6689]

Oldschool FTW!!😛✊👍👏👏👏

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍

[@lilredexptsc]

Plymouth! The power to win!

[@kimthompson6686]

And that was Chrysler’s chepo division!!

[@daleliske9757]

Kudos to the old school Road Runner. Not to mention its running on Polyglass rubber vs the newer sticky modern rubber.! Few people notice this.!

[@lookielou843]

Before the video starts I pick the hemi to win

[@Uptown59]

Can't lose that one, since both are hemis....

[@CarsAndZebras]

@@Uptown59 I think that’s what he was getting at 😁

[@Uptown59]

@@CarsAndZebras The reality of it all is that you can't lose with a hemi, 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation 😊😊

[@Dogboy1960]

@@Uptown59 Not really. I own a 392 TA and I like the idea that NO WHERE on the car or the engine does the word "Hemi" appear on my car. In the end when I hear, "Has it got a HEMI?" answered with a "yes". The only truly acceptable view under the hood is a 426 from the 60s and very early 1970s. Everything else is just a disappointment. Dodge slaps the word on EVERYTHING today and has pretty much done all they can to render it generic and meaningless. IMO. It's even all over my Ram Truck with a pretty everyday driver 5.7 V8 under the hood making far less than what can ever be called impressive levels of power by today's standard. I miss the day when you heard or saw "Hemi" and it actually meant "top dog". Those days are long gone and I'm only reminded of 'em now when a local car show sees someone bring the "real deal" out of mothballs for the day.

[@Uptown59]

@@Dogboy1960 I own a 2019 Challenger Scatpack and no one has asked me if it's got a hemi. What I do get is nice car from little boys to old women, and bikers.

[@danforbess6941]

Thank you!! Good old Cubic Inches instead of that "Liter" bull sh!t.

[@joshuacohn2004]

Love your videos bro!!! My favorite videos on you tube...PERIOD!!!

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching 👍

[@02WIFE]

They both went fast in the heat

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍

[@tomdale1735]

That body , that suspension , and engine ....WAY ahead of there time , still hard to beat , still have my ‘70 R/T se 440 track pack , ....and my’70 SE 383magnum factory hurst pistol grip 4 speed. Track pack ... both have leather high back buckets / teakwood int. W/ tick-tock-tachs ... factory ... R/T has power windows, air, cruise, fm 8track .....😎

[@tomj4406]

...dude..the vid edits from 4:51? Man.. you're slaying it!!! My hat is off.

[@theangrydragon182]

NEED SOMETHING SENSIBLE WITH GOOD GAS MILEAGE? DAAAAAAARRRRRRTTTTTTTTTT

[@MrBEA-wp2pf]

Lol. Well idk what that Scat Pack Skaker gets but my wife's 2016 can easily get 23 to 25 mpg...as long as she keeps her foot out of it. You ain't gonna get that from an old Road Runner....but for the smiles per miles, I'll take the clasics any day!!! I just couldn't believe the weight difference.

[@EvilRamon]

Mr. BEA my 2015 Challenger RT gets me 20+ if I don’t drive like I own the road 😅 but it s more fun to go VROOM

[@Impactjunky]

@@MrBEA-wp2pf My 68 Roadrunner clone has been my daily driver for over ten years now. It used to get over 25 MPG highway with a 50 year old V8, 3 speed automatic and 4 barrel carb. Gas mileage isn't as good now that I've swapped to a larger engine and lower rear gear but if I wanted to I could put the car back into the 25-35 MPG range easy and it would still be fast enough to outrun almost any modern naturally aspirated car. Engineering has come a long way since the 60s and 70s but unfortunately it's been going downhill instead of uphill.

[@MrBEA-wp2pf]

@@Impactjunky Im just a bit older than your car and have seen the automobile engineering "evolution". I like these new high tech hot rods, but ain't no way the high tech motor will age as well as the old ones. Things like variable valve timing is great...when it works, but with age will be a nightmare.

[@frigglebiscuit7484]

@@MrBEA-wp2pf can confirm. those 4.0 ford v6 cam phasers sure do love to commit seppuku.

[@livewire2759]

"Old cars are so big and heavy, no wonder they weren't fuel efficient or fast" - Morons who don't realize that modern cars are much heavier than old cars despite being smaller and having a lot less room in the cabin and trunk, and that old cars were just as fast and fuel efficient as their modern equivalents.

[@LITTLE1994]

I don't know. I know some '60s American car, don't know the exact brand, but that one's weight is over 5000lbs. Not joking.

[@livewire2759]

@@LITTLE1994 Yeah, a full size Cadillac or Lincoln probably was that heavy, but guess how heavy a new Caddy weighs... That's why I said "equivalents". One comparison I like to use is Suburbans. I own a 1979 Suburban with Silverado trim, so it's got all the "bells and whistles", and I work in a GM dealership as a mechanic. The old air jacks we have lift my old 'Burban like it's nothing, but they won't lift a late model one unless the compressor is fully pumped up. I've never actually compared GVWs, but I can tell you most modern cars are as heavy if not heavier than their 30, 40 or 50 year old couterparts.

[@RCredneck85]

The new challengers are the biggest 2 door car in America. They are not small by no means

[@livewire2759]

@@RCredneck85 That's true, they are not small, however, compared to the original Challengers from the early 70s, they are about the same in outside dimensions, but have less room inside and weigh considerably more. The average full size car in the last 30 years is about 20% smaller in length and width, with less interior room and trunk space than full size cars of the 60s and 70s, and the modern cars weigh about 10% more due to miles of wiring and computer systems in every single car. I was involved in stock car racing (small local dirt tracks) in the 90s, when people were building monte carlos from the 70s and 80s. racers hung on to those cars well into the 2000s, and even to this day, simply because it is so much easier and cheaper to build them than it is to build a monte from the 90s or early 2000s, again simply due to all the extra crap the manufacturers put in the modern cars.

[@paulallison6689]

@@LITTLE1994 It was most likely the early-mid '60s (Chrysler) Imperial...because they were in that 5-6K # range.

[@futon02]

The road runner. It's about the same power as the 392 but it's lighter

[@justen98]

And has lower gears.

[@1967davethewave]

@@justen98 The effective gear ratio with the 8 speed trans is actually just about the same as the older Road Runner and it has twice the gears to keep the engine operating in peak HP range.

[@justen98]

@@1967davethewave True! I Just didn't know how they compared. Is there a good way to figure that out?

[@lewisshepard9239]

@@1967davethewave a lot of people don’t realize that. Good post.

[@lewisshepard9239]

@@justen98 just multiply the rear end gear with the first gear in transmission for your takeoff ratio and then each gear as it shifts. The challenger in this case is actually lower than the roadrunner,even with it’s 4.30 rear gear.

[@Bigsky1991]

I'm going to say the Hemi Roadrunner was heavily modified and optimized to make it run like that. I grew up when these were new and new-ish and the Hemi was NOT a street able car... highly unreliable, and very cold starting. Same for Fords Boss 429...sold with a "cork up its rear" very restricted, very tame...needed loads of mods and changes to unlock its potential. The Road Runners are neat to see tidy and restored at Auctions and Shows today, but they were cheap, very poorly built throwaway cars back in the day, and I remember vividly when they were 800-1200$ cars on "buy here/pay here" used car lots and no one wanted them.

[@CarsAndZebras]

The hemi isn’t heavily modified. I forget exactly what the owner reported, but something like compression ratio was increased around 1-1.5 points, mandrel bent exhaust, aggressive gearing, shift kit, and dyno tuning for 110 octane. There’s plenty of them in Pure Stock that push the rules a little bit more and run deep into the 11s, even one in the high 10s.

[@frigglebiscuit7484]

and what makes you think modern cars arent engineered to fail?

[@RoadRunnergarage8570]

One GORGEOUS ROAD RUNNER!!

[@CASchack]

Judging by the trap speeds, these cars were evenly matched. Bone stock hemis trapped at about 105 mph back in the day. The Challenger essentially matches the RR’s performance while loaded with creature comforts. You’d be sweating your ass off in the RR going to and from the track.

[@ghaasl78]

That Buick was hauling ass for a non Stage 1 car. That Roadrunner is the straight business.

[@CuChiKat]

Having run against the 60's A/Stock, B/Stock, and SS/ Stock, Chryslers there wasn't a bad performer in any of them. We (409's) couldn't beat the factory support the Chrysler boys had, even though we still had Grumpy once he gave up the Chryslers and the Gays with their Ponchos from Dickenson Texas and Floydada Texas was well represented. The Good old days.

[@flyonbyya]

Buick GS FOREVER !

[@markbuchanan3694]

I have GS stage 1 with a4 speed. They run well for a car not really built to be a drag car.

[@bowtech1020]

Mopar guy all my life... When I was 18 I owned a 1970 dodge super bee... 440 4barrel 727... 8 3/4 manual choke... I love roadrunners... But the 70 cornet superbee had the meanest looking front of any car I was in love.

[@robertyoung8289]

The fart was my favorite part! Lolol

[@CarsAndZebras]

I also enjoyed that part

[@strikeeagle6871]

That challenger beat that Roadrunner to the lights ! I call BS on the roadrunner win !

[@t.t.6398]

I'd love to have a 70 Road Runner! Absolutely all time favorite car!

[@mikeadler9009]

Love your Channel keep up the non-biased drag race that's what you got to love... amazing to see such rare cars sometimes run on a drag strip wow!!!!!!!!! Love the little intermissions 2 Thankyou👍

[@CarsAndZebras]

thanks for watching 👍

[@phoenixblack1220]

I love it when old iron beats modern muscle!

[@paulgibson4687]

I have a 16 scat but l still dream about my 70 440 runner

[@RoadRunnergarage8570]

💘 that Dodge ad!!

[@ted101975]

Dam that was a hell of a race!!!!

[@CarsAndZebras]

Pretty close! 👍

[@TBullCajunbreadmaker]

I didn't remember the race with the GS, but regardless, the R.Runner proved quite a few different things that I have been waiting to see for quite a while now. The original cars have what it takes if you put the package together with the right options, they are still hard to beat and proves that they knew what they were doing back during those days. My days! Today's cars are really awesome and in many ways are better than the old girls. I still like the original styling and the eat you alive aggressiveness, the roots of today's muscle over the retro styling of the cars we have today. But today's cars bring a lot more to the table as far as handling and brakes, etc., you have to believe that the cars they make today are much better all-around cars.

[@dons.9842]

The Roadrunner cannot be stock. The Gross rating of 425 hp is actually around 350 Net hp as rated today. The 426 Roadrunner was good for a quarter mile time of the low 13’s in stock form.

[@parodynuts5407]

What is so hard about actually paying attention to what he says in the video and/or reading the video description box? Fuck, people like you are so obnoxiously ignorant.

[@frigglebiscuit7484]

it was under rated back in the day. also, the old tires were garbage back then.

[@ericfaley9019]

The Challenger is right on the mark. The Road Runner is about as second faster that they ran back in the day new. Tires are better now and I believe the engine has been blue printed and tuned.

[@RoadRunnergarage8570]

💘 that Air Grabber hood on the RR!!

[@hmackprotection1]

Let’s be honest here. The 392 doesn’t have 485 “Net” HP. The 392’s net/wheel HP is around 425-435HP & the Scat Pack 392 with the A8 Trans is a mid 11 Sec car with Sock Power when it’s on DR’s/Drag pack setup

[@Welcometofacsistube]

Take a mopar to catch a mopar

[@LITTLE1994]

It takes an old Mopar to catch a new Mopar.

[@KardboardKenny]

@@LITTLE1994 it takes a fiat to attempt to catch that MOPAR.

[@bluevalkyrie2517]

If you're on a highway and Roadrunner goes BEEP BEEP! Just step aside or you might end up in a heap!

[@MaxxVelo]

That roadrunner beating modern muscle makes it look like the muscle car version of the Initial D 86

[@Mrmatt-pt3xm]

There’s other videos on this Roadrunner.Its pretty far from stock.Stock for stock the new challenger would win but still a nice old Plymouth

[@MichaelMitchell-eo6cb]

Right. The old Road Runner was low mid 13’s at best. Great car though

[@gary9426]

Old school takes down the new school.....interesting race! Love both the old and new mopar muscle. If the GS would have been a Stage 1, with steeper gearing, would have been a much closer race!

[@badgerbait8351]

Was thinking the same thing. Still, a very nice run...even though he torched the tires off the line!

[@culcune]

That GS was about what a true GS was tested at back in the day by the magazines. Magazines were getting about the same out of the Hemi cars. There was a car test show back in thecday hosted by Bud Lindeman(sp?) that you can find here on KZbin. One episode they tested a 1970 Hemi Charger 500 with an auto that was running consistent 14.0 second quarter mile times. The mid to low 12s of this Roadrunner was not bone stock back in the day. Low 13s like the Buick would be more realistic. Now, people who were serious hobbyist drag racers were getting 10s out of their Hemi cars with just a few mods, even back then, but bone stock off a late 1960s to 1970/'71 was 13s for all brands' period muscle cars at their fastest.

[@badgerbait8351]

@@culcune Something fun to look at is the list of 50 fastest (1/4 mile) muscle cars as listed by Muscle Car Review and Car Craft that I believe was compiled back in the 80s. Perhaps you've seen it. It's a compilation of tests of said cars during their debut back in the 60s and 70s by the big magazines. Interestingly, the 70 Road Runner Hemi was #8 on the list running a 13.34. The Buick Stage 1 was #9 running a 13.38! Of course, the big dogs were #1, the AC Cobra 427 and the 66 Vette 427 with 3x2s. Hemi then took #3 and 4 followed by the 454 Chevelle. First small block on the list? A dang Boss 351 in a 71 stang!!!

[@culcune]

@@badgerbait8351 Have not seen it, or maybe have? I subscribed to Hot Rod and Car Craft back in high school in the mid-80s. When I was in college, I used to waste time at the library by going to the microfiche room and reading through the old car magazines from the late 60s to the 80s. It was interesting reading the car mags' perspectives of new cars from the period. In other words, I first learned of the 1970 LS6 Chevelle 17 or 18 years after the fact in a later 80s Hot Rod magazine article, but it was interesting reading about them as a new car from late 60s articles about them in various car magazines. The lack of foreign cars meant very few articles about them in the mainstream car magazines and the magazines were chock full of muscle cars being reviewed as, well, exciting transportation machines. This was found at Cal State University, Northridge. I lived near the university until 2002, when I finally moved out of the L.A. area altogether, but the university was devastated by the 1994 earthquake, and when they finally reopened the library in 1995, and I was working on some post-graduate classes, it was all new, and the microfiche room was gone. No digital copies of old magazines either as they had sadly dumped numerous materials during the rebuild.

[@williamharmon3076]

Exactly, I seriously doubt that the roadrunner was was completely stock,or the second race with the GS I'm not knocking the roadrunner but a factory car back in the didn't those kinda times without mods I know because I'm from that era.

[@theredneckgamer5696]

8:22 that road runner opened that can of whoop ass

[@heavydutyreviews1303]

Wow! Never bet against the old Hemi!

[@TheGunfighter45acp]

Twice the Schwing w/2 races in this episode!

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍

[@garymckee8857]

Those Chrysler products from that era always ran well when it was cool but not cold. Thanks for the video

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching!

[@VictorDeLaTorre]

Happy to see the Road Runner took the W!!

[@bumstead1383]

Glad I found your channel. I fucking lmfao when I hear the cars weight. Ima sucker for fart noises

[@bw3506]

Old dog for the win. Yep, bet feelings were hurt on that day.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Most of the people that participate in these events understand you can’t win them all. All pretty cool people 😎

[@lb9gta307]

Cars will run what they will. The only reason you should feel bad after a loss is if you or your car under-performed. That looked like a good race.

[@02autogt]

A heavily modded 426 hemi BARELY beating a modern, heavier, STOCK, smaller cubic inch hemi.... I assure you NO one's feelings were hurt...

[@lb9gta307]

@@02autogt it's Pure Stock, not F.A.S.T. The Hemi only has minor modifications.

[@bw3506]

@@02autogt Where are you coming up with "Heavily modded"?

[@Fresh-tw7ev]

“A banner day for farts.”

[@nicholasselvaggi54]

I ran that Challengers 1/4 mile in a 2020 Mustang GT convertible with 3:15 gears and the 10 auto. 12.4@116. On 235 tires 45 lbs front to lower rolling resistance and 26 rear. First 3 shifts and the tires squealed. My best 60 ft was 2.0. I needed to better that.

[@cherrylove3656]

that coyote couldn't catch that road runner

[@Moparmaga-1]

At what weight does a car not receive the "air turd" sound effect? 3000 pounds. I'm trying to get 2800 pounds with my 70 dart big block. I just don't want to have the fart

[@CarsAndZebras]

At what weight? AT WHAT WEIGHT??? NEVER!!! AIR TURD FOR LIFE

[@Moparmaga-1]

Lol my ass off

[@frigglebiscuit7484]

gonna need lots of fiberglass for that xD

[@redflamegaming1680]

Power to weight ratio. It’s that simple. If the 392 was in a vehicle with similar weight to that road runner it would win.

[@dukedavis8950]

Wow that's my favorite year of road runner love the look and love that air grabber hood scoop the coolest thing and the factory wheels a 426 running low 12s so awesome. I'm so envious

[@ronaldhagadorn5512]

Perfect!! Do not stop talking!!

[@timothymerideth9280]

Seriously. I'm a man child. Your video gave me everything! Horsepower, details, jokes and.... FARTS! Love it!

[@robertsnyder5149]

I was a member of the original Scat Pak club. When the Chevy owners saw us coming they kept their cars on the trailer.

[@lelomiliken7598]

😆😆😆. Love those sound effects!!🎆🎆🎆. The kind of drag racing I love.💯

[@CarsAndZebras]

thanks for watching 👍

[@ahope4u2]

Love these....thanks......

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching!

[@zmanphx]

The Challenger is using a ZF transmission, made in Germany. Same brand used in many European cars including BMW.

[@CarsAndZebras]

That's true! A lot of models are using that same transmission, they're just all tuned differently to their needs.

[@zmanphx]

@@CarsAndZebras same make but could be different models of ZF. Hellcat ZF most likely more heavy duty version .

[@CarsAndZebras]

@@zmanphx yes, the regular challengers use the 8HP70, Hellcat is 8HP90

[@KardboardKenny]

as my Old Man used to say, "Beep, Beep, motherfucker".

[@tomj4406]

4:26 You're spot on on hp. 426 Hemi's peaked around 6,200 RPM and 490 hp. Gross rated, ofc. Whichever way..that's a fork ton and tuning and a cam etc & you're blasting past 500 like nothin'! Booyaa

[@randyrobey5643]

When the gen 2 Hemi engines were still in production, I read an article which said the later street Hemi engines actually put out more power than the earlier versions. Supposedly, small tweaks and improvements over the years had added upwards of 30 H.P. I believe this was around the time that Chrysler switched to hydraulic cams for Hemi engines. I don't remember hearing this anywhere else. Does anyone know if this is true?

[@raidersx81]

Yeah they improved them over the years for sure

[@stantaylor3350]

I like the fl 70 4 door freight liner at the end of the bleacher!! I'd like one with a fuller 9 speed.

[@chevyblue10]

If you look close, you can see the panties on that blonde chic in the stands when the wind from the RR blows her skirt up.

[@marinegunny826]

That my friends is Mopar Madness!!!

[@ramshaar2597]

The first race is a big surprise 🙂👍 the second 1 the buick is much heavier + less h.p. bravo road runner.💪

[@justen98]

Love the idea of modern vs classic.

[@CarsAndZebras]

I wish I had more of these match-ups.... but I am still sitting on some holy grail footage. New Challenger Demon vs ‘69 L88 Corvette. Probably put that out in a couple months

[@justen98]

@@CarsAndZebras That's going to be a awesome video. Keep up the good work on the videos, seems like they keep getting better!

[@Adam-nv9zo]

That was an awesome video

[@bbkingwasthegreatest711]

Cars and Zebras please do more vids, when I keep coming back and looking at the old ones from two years ago, because I have seen all the new ones, I realise my life must be really sad, so new vids please.

[@FaithfulServant316]

70 hemi looks soo much cooler!

[@79tazman]

That Road Runner was using polyglas tires too if they were the same type of tires the new Challenger was using it would of had better traction

[@tylerodell7501]

Really cool match up my bets on the mopar

[@edwardestes8038]

The 70 Roadrunner is worth three times the newer mopar.....

[@garydonaghue619]

I’m diggin on all the farting. I’m sold.

[@loyalamerican8776]

The new cars today have have the benefit of the best modern technology, extremely fast shifting transmissions and all kinds of other upgrades and the Old school has none of that And still kicking ass and it’s just a testament to brute strength and cubic inches

[@kenkellar]

I am the original owner of a 1970 340 duster so I am partial to the Road Runner

[@independent2368]

Sounds really awesome, and is incredible that you've had it all of these years. My 2nd Mopar was a 70 and also owned an RR of same year, but like new school muscle to and am currently building an SRT8 challenger thats a lot of fun to drive. The road rocker was a 383 car, and the duster had the 318

[@independent2368]

Oh btw, you should make a vid of it and would be cool to see man

[@plymouthdie-castreplicas]

Awesome battle, mate! Plymouth power! Beep! Beep!

[@kenswitzer4133]

Sometimes newer may not be better.

[@bailey9r]

So the HEMI road runner came with a 90 day warranty does that mean it doesn't qualify?

[@louiskats5116]

Goodday C & Z, It's Thursday morning absolutely freezing cold here in Melbourne, Australia middle of winter. Absolutely awesome screaming banshee of a Roadrunner. Just the colour combo on the Roadrunner looks awesome too Same as my VG 770 Hardtop. Artic white, black vinyl roof, white rims. Those 1970 Roadrunner's & GTX's had a beautiful grill & the light's in the bumper just finished them off nicely. That Roadrunner has got to be the best looking hardtop over the last 12 month's for sure. Bucket seats & centre console. Not intrested in the Challenger, Old Skool or nothing. Great video played it a few times just the Hemi screaming awesome even the commercial great. Take care of yourself with your line of work. Great video for a Thursday morning. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤

[@CarsAndZebras]

always interesting hearing about things , “down under!” It was 92°F today, around 33°C. very hot for this time of year! usually it’s around 26°C

[@louiskats5116]

@@CarsAndZebras Which part of the beautiful USA are you from.

[@CarsAndZebras]

@@louiskats5116 near Lake Michigan

[@louiskats5116]

@@CarsAndZebras Nice real Nice. I look at the background scenery when you do a video of your Chevelle. It looks so green & scenic. I just love how there no fence around the houses. Hope to visit one day

[@mvnorsel6354]

Has your VG got the 245 or the 265? Always loved the valiants.

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

Going to another video on a different day doesn’t really impress me the fact that a new challenger 392 is right there with a badass old school car is awesome especially since he could still get exhaust and a tune because that looked completely and sounded completely stock cars that race on the same day have to both deal with conditions

[@sometimesieatcake4156]

You completely missed the point. What he was showing is that the RR is a 12 flat car, and that it was having an off day. This had absolutely nothing to do with the Challenger, and I’m guessing he didn’t show that just to impress you. Pretty obvious it was there to be as honest as possible at what that car will truly run.

[@frigglebiscuit7484]

and the road runner could put modern tires, cam, exhaust, etc in his too. btw it took the new challenger 8 gears to beat that old 3 gear auto.....

[@danshobbies13]

With all the thin tin and plastic on the new challenger, I can’t believe it weighs more. That’s crazy

[@terrykrall]

My guess is the road runner is much quicker. Im pretty impressed with the challenger. I “built” a hemi turbocharged challenger this morning at $87,000 with 804hp. My guess is the 1970 would be thrashed by the new challenger. Lets do this next year with the hemi cuda I’ve heard is coming out.

[@kenimpzoom]

The MPH was similar for both cars, so the new 392 CID Hemi is roughly making similar HP as the old school 426 CID Hemi.

[@normanflint8757]

True,but the new ones much heavier with the five year engine warranty, not 3 months,and it passes the new emission laws,soo, here's to the new stock..

[@gordocarbo]

@@normanflint8757 Except all these new musclecars feel as heavy as they are. Big turnoff for me.

[@danhoyland142]

Lol! I lost some friends sending the link to “ two girls one cup” to everyone on my “ friends” list on aol instant messenger. Also, would like to state you are Hillarious.

[@gordocarbo]

LOved seeing the RR win! I mean a newer 12 sec car with amentities is nice and all but I canot get past how heavy and huge all the late model cars are. Dont care about mpg WIth all the electronics you cant "unfeel" over 2 tons. I have a truck (Camino) thats 1000 lbs lighter. And metal you can lean on without it oil canning WAs always curious to see how a SRT SS or Stang would do with a 3 spd auto transmission. Know its for EPA bs but any more than 4-5 tops seems too much. 8 and 10 spds would irritate the hell outta me always shifting or hunting for a gear. Meantime heres to poop farts and swimmin with bowlegged wimmin! Its good to be a man!