Challenger SRT8 vs 340 Six Pack Challenger T/A - Old vs New - 1/4 Mile - Road Test TV ®

www.RoadTestTV.com - 6.1 Liter Challenger SRT8 goes head to head with a 1970 340 Six Pack Challenger T/A in six (6) 1/4 mile Drag Races. During race 5 and 6, the drivers switch cars to see who is the better driver.
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[@robertmoore9951]

I own both Challengers out out Stuart Fl. My 55 year old girlfriend was driving the new car. This was her first track experience with a stick shift car. We had no idea this video was being made at the time. The SRT is a stock track pack car with a cold air intake. It has been scaled at 4080 lbs no driver. On worn out original tires. Once we learned the right balance of slipping the clutch (to avoid tire spin) this car went 13.30 @ 107 mph. The T/A is a numbers matching sleeper. The small block is sporting a set of W 2 heads and a small roller cam. The original trans had worn syncros and a worn shifter. It had 3.91 gears, drag radials and factory suspension with NO traction devices. This is more of a road course car. I was being careful as my previous trip to the track resulted in a broken rear u-joint,pinion yoke and bent drive shaft. The 115.90 mph points that the engine is making power and with a good launch should run quicker than 11.50s. This car has also been scaled and with out driver is 3525lbs. This was ment to be a fun evening to the track with my girl and two FUN cars not a full out competition. The T/A is a quicker car. The SRT will run 170 + mph stock! corner like its on rails and gives me 24 mpg. I love them both and will most likely be adding a Hellcat when available in yellow to the collection.

[@1redrubberball]

I love my 2013 Challenger R/T with 5.7L, 6 speed and 3.73 posi rear end. I was a Mustang/Cougar fan for 40+ years and think the retro Challenger is the best looking car on the road today.

[@christophercarr589]

I figured that 340 was pretty warmed over haha. Nice cars man! i have a 340 matching numbers duster (no challenger though). Love the matching color cars man! The new stuff is DEFINITELY more fun to 'daily' drive, but not as 'FUN' of a car if you know what I mean.

[@Learog74]

Nice Challengers Robert, those W-2's really wake up a 340 or 360 ! I've got a "73" Challenger Rally with a "70" 440-6 Pack auto trans, runs 11.8s with slicks and a .484 284 hyd. cam. Car weighs in at 3640 lbs.

[@Kryndon64]

Sir, I just want to tell you that I admire your taste and the fact that you went out to have fun in such an awesome way with your wife! I've always been in love with the Challenger, specifically the '70s R/T model. I'm not from the US, but one day I'm hoping to restore one of these magnificent cars and give it the love it deserves. Of course in yellow, as it's my favorite color as well! Oh, and don't worry, it will NOT be a garage queen, that's for sure! I'll drive it as hard as I can, but also give it proper care. Thanks for sharing!

[@brentmack51]

You got the life bub I'm glad it made it to you tube so all the ### could talk smack over every thing they don't know. Lol

[@lewisshepard9239]

To miss a gear and still run 12s. Pretty impressive. Love both cars.

[@randystevens1690]

Can't beat a well built 340, old school rules. The 70's was my hay days. Far Out.

[@tiffanyjeanporemba9416]

I love that the guy lets his gf drive his T/A AT THE TRACK. God bless him. The couple that races together, stays together.

[@yeahsure8323]

Embarrassing actually

[@toast3990]

​@@yeahsure8323 Yeah..... sure

[@someguyprobably]

@@yeahsure8323you’re sooo cool

[@bobsilver3983]

I sure love that 1970!

[@briancenti5423]

never seen a SRT8 so slow before

[@djmalarky]

Only when it's racing a much faster car.

[@novaman3509]

For one, it's the old SRT-8, with the 425hp 6.1L. Second, it's driver is clearly worse. The guy put down better times than she did in her own SRT-8.

[@Itr-tv7kt]

14 something is slow for car with 425 hp

[@keithgee9971]

+jeff yoon the srt8 is 4,200 lbs! that older challenger is barely 3,500 lbs. you could have put a nissan 350z up against that challenger and gotten embarrassed in a couple of runs...

[@pokerman405]

Its a v6

[@scannerguy1968]

I'm a pontiac guy (Ws6 anyway) Sorry I had to say this Dad. He passed away 3 years ago. God rest his Mopar soul. He grew up in the era when Mopar was king. Owned a 440 Coronet and a 340 T/A when they came out. He had the privilege of friends with the 426 Hemi. He said the Engineers didn't know how to explain the raw power of the 426. All they could say was ( It's Voodoo Baby). Great vid.

[@LR-my2di]

The GS Stage 1 Buick will outrun it. That's FACT! (see April 2014 Hot Rod mag.)

[@ChipMarine]

L R yeah with 510 ft lbs of torque you moron !

[@DrBeef216]

440 would beat it in a drag race. The street Hemi suffered the same fate as the Boss 429. Corked up those wild cylinder heads with lame intake and smog equipment that resulted in a mediocre compromise. 428CJ will wipe the floor with the Boss 429 in a drag race. It's the same deal.

[@jaxalexander9936]

L R my 1969 Dodge Charger would kick back cars ass Dodgers are better than hot rods any day hot rod suck my car has 440 big block Hemi twin turbo making over 1955 horsepower

[@kirkschmidt1110]

The hemi will make that Buick look pretty sad

[@davetweedy9868]

Looked awesome! T/A driver knows how to drive a stick! I had 3 T/As all at once, stock and modified. They are a hoot, and by far the best looking muscle car ever!!!fun to see this🤗

[@RailFanRob]

That 340 was not stock! No way!

[@oldgamerconsolepcplayerdud4389]

LOL. The 340's weren't stock when they were stock. Look up some of the stats. The early RT's were as underrated as the 302 Z's. Only rated at 290hp factory but there have been many dynos prove that wrong with h.p ranging from 320 to 350hp. Plus you also have to take into account of what the drive gear diffence between the R/T's and what the street hemi new challengers are running.

[@moparyota]

Rob Mosley I'm friends with the guy that owns it. It's very far from stock

[@RailFanRob]

+Collin Cullere I figured... Nice ride though and very fast

[@MaxDephyantz]

Awesome car!

[@keithgee9971]

the 340 is nearly 700 lbs lighter and is putting more ft/ lbs of torque to its tires. when the 70 challenger driver had issues shifting thats the only time the srt8 beat her! had a better driver been in the srt8 it would have been closer

[@chevellecamino]

Not a Mopar guy, but that old challenger is sweet!!! Did not think it would beat the newer one so easily. Gotta love old school muscle!

[@nicetna2010]

The '70 still looks hotter. The tire/wheel combo on the new Challenger just doesn't work.

[@hernandocortez6351]

A bloated version of a classic. I understand the newer frames are beefier, transmissions larger and more complicated, but still . . .

[@jorgeohenry9326]

I HAVE THE EXACT SAME 70' T/A 340 SIX PACK. LOVE IT!

[@conradchristel814]

I so would rather have the 1970 6-pack. It's so nice, and it costs at least 3x more than the srt8

[@glennblake43bg]

Power of the old school. Straight torque Devils yo!!!!!

[@johnwillis7965]

Blake Glenn: see blake knows the gig ,, we used to buy those ole rides for cheap ,,throw petty money at them and they hauled ass ,and were daily drivers

[@CaptainFALKEN]

All motor and skills. No electronic launch help

[@hishok3332]

Really I bet all the money in the world that a 2018 demon obliterates that 70 challenger

[@Nightshade_787B]

@@hishok3332 Well no shit. It's a fucking Dodge Demon.

[@chilirich]

Thanks for posting this. That 1970 model,..It just felt real good to see it.

[@MichaelChaffeeMaddog]

"Old School" RULES!!!! LOL

[@MikeBurkard]

The mustang might have started the retro look and I had high hopes for the Camaro ( had a '68 in highschool ) but out of all the new "retro-styled" muscle cars, the Challenger is the most true to form and looks awesome! But if I had a sh*tload of money to spend, I would still buy a restored original. =)

[@davidrosamond2681]

Amen Mike !! I love all 3 of the new versions! Just wished they had built the retros a few years back when I had money and could afforded one ! I bought a 70 Challenger T/A 340 SIX PAK in June of 72. Mine was the blue one with the black alligator skin roof. It had the original exhaust with the pipes coming out in front of the rear tires. OH MY GAWD what a sound ! ! ! If I parked under the awning at the local drive in the vibration on that awning was so loud people couldn't hear each other talk L0L !! Just looking at it while it was parked it look like it was doing about 100 mph, ha ha well not quite but it did look fast. But OldGamerConsolePCPlayerDude above you is right about the rated HP, I would bet it was closer to 390 HP instead of 290 HP! ! I did bury the needle past the 140 mph mark one night, running against a buddy with his 396 Camaro. By the time I hit second he was in my rear view mirror. I went ahead and let it rip to see what the top end was. Got myself a shrunken piston out of that deal. I loved the 68 - 69 Camaros, would love to have either one today. But I'd sell my soul for another T/A 340 SIX PAK. & have the motor that we built after I screwed that piston up. After the dome top pistons and shaving the heads it was pushing ( as I recall ) about 11 - to 1 compression. Yeah it was crazy.

[@goodinsrt8]

Im pretty sure chevy started the retro look

[@goodinsrt8]

Andy Frye The SSR came out two years before the mustang.

[@goodinsrt8]

Andy Frye everyone has, lol.

[@michaelwallbrown3726]

the PT CruIser started the retro look

[@jim73challenger]

That TA Challenger was NOT stock, it was built to hell. I have had 340 Six Pack Challengers before, they all ran in the 13's stock.

[@RobertBrumley60]

You can run what they call a cheater cam and still be stock. More duration that stock same lift. Change the rear end gear ratio from stock 323 highway to 455, No problem doing the quarter in 11-12 seconds.

[@thelaborpeasant]

if nothing else at least the tires werent stock. may be wrong here but i dont think 17" torq thrusts were optional haha

[@joelson6]

you got that right, that '70 definitely wasn't stock.

[@anhiirr]

judging on the driver switched cars footage, i can only deduce/assume that the SRT had poor traction/launch tires for this kind of scenario which led to many poor launches for both drivers who used it; and based on how the SRT owner was shifting the T/A i would only assume that yes it was most likely on radials that the SRT driver was not accustomed to using or they just plain and simple are poor at shifting which imo can be thrown out if they are shifting on radials in the same poor fashion its only that much worse. I think the T/A was most likely cammed, better fuel and intake to engine setup and radials all equating to some fairly stock(in appearance) mods to shave off a sec or a half off their stock time of 13s. you can even see the T/A driver attempt to "roll" off the line in the SRT that shows how much faith they had in their traction

[@RobertBrumley60]

The 70 340 was no slug and would do 13's from the factory. By a simple change in rear end gear ration to 410's and a cheater cam, (which would allow it to remain in stock eliminator) more duration and stock lift, with factory carburation would easily turn twelves and with conditions right and good traction in the 11 second range. :)

[@cdofm]

That 340 sounds awesome

[@PR-qb4qh]

Both are beautiful and gorgeous cars, I owned a '09 Challenger RT and a '73 340 Cuda and both were deep-water blue would have been nice to have had both at the same time like you have. Beautiful thing to have watched. Thank You

[@FuckYourFeelings88]

No way in hell a stock 70 challenger t/a will hit 11's. 13's/high 12's MAYBE. The srt8 is a low 12 second car STOCK. A. The Challenger T/A was not stock B. The srt8 driver could not drive

[@MidnightinSavannah]

If you look at Robert Moore post, he is the owner of both cars. His 55 yo Girlfriend was driving one of the cars. He said he ended going 13.30's by the end of the night in the SRT and the 340 in the other Challenger was not stock.

[@mmmpowered]

+E Lee Agree!

[@ChipMarine]

You're an idiot !

[@SealofPerfection]

The TA had different heads and a roller cam. And drag radials. Pretty heavily modified, there.

[@CaptainFALKEN]

A stock 70 Challenger is better than this pussy srt8

[@FULLTHROTTLEAUTO]

First of great video and thanks for sharing, but I do need to point out a few things. 1. The 1970 T/A is up to 1000lbs lighter than the new car. 2. The 1970 T/A in this video is not stock because there is no way the stock version of this car can ever do a 1/4 mile under 12 seconds.

[@Loth440]

+Fullthrottle Auto Stock T/A and AAR cars were 14s typically and high 13s with 3.91 rear and 4 speed.

[@kevinoconnell6503]

+Fullthrottle Auto Not quite true.... more like 600 pounds. And true, maybe high 13s with a good day and driver.

[@PekarskeGarage]

+Fullthrottle Auto Challenger is 3800 lbs

[@scottr6394]

wow, the six pack was missing shifts

[@stevemason5173]

Saltwaterebel... I agree with you 110% here buddy... Had a 71 Dodge Demon 340 with headers and stock carter thermo-quad and ran a consistant 13:20s. I upgraded to larger tube Hooker Headers, went to 15 inch L-60s on the rear. A very good Mopar mechanic jetted my carter thermo-quad and put a fuel cooler with about a foot of copper fuel line coiled inside the can on my fire wall. I put a piece of dry ice in the cooler at the track. The Demon was now going 12:60s. That Mechanic always said cold fuel and a good breathing 340 was unbeatable. Like you I never had any problems with any fords, but there was a 67 built 327 SS Chevelle that gave me a run for my money. I was basic stock. He had pistons, heads and the works though... Love them 340s. Race engines in disguise...LOL

[@ssgjohnny94]

BIG BROTHER WALKED ALL OVER LITTLE BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Floordford]

Johnny Gutierrez, Big brother? That's Dad. Id even place an old Challenger over an old Charger because it had the same motor options but less weight.

[@MrEvilTag]

More like grandpa

[@LITTLE1994]

More like grandfather over the grandson.

[@AfKman101]

that six pack challenger though, gives me good vibe goose bumps

[@ericscottstevens]

Title should be: Overtly government/insurance safety regulated industry engineered Challenger SRT8 races no holds barred 1970 Challenger 340 Six Pack.

[@bobsilver3983]

Or as I call the new Challenger..."New World Order Machine"

[@frigglebiscuit7484]

james, we have figured it out. old v8 aftermarket whoops new stuff.

[@danielcannon4727]

That T/A whipped his ass!

[@illustriouscampbell994]

I don't know why it is so satisfieing to watch that old school muscle car beat that new school muscle car...... but it just is...... I was born in the 80's so I missed the first muscle era so you would think I would root for this new muscle era but no...... I prefer old school muscle...... I think it's from growing up around my grandpa, he used to drag race on the street back in the 50's- 70's and he had so many different muscle cars...... I guess I get to re-live all of the racing stories he used to tell me when I was growing up..... now I'm a car guy and building a Nova SS and I love Horsepower and torque! Thanks Grandpa!

[@jamesmackinlay4477]

I have had a few 340 six pacs back in the day tuned right and geared right with a stock engine but with headers I ran a best of 12.85 in the quarter this was in a 4 speed Challenger with a 3.91 posi rear and MH street slicks. It was a clone car I built.

[@hamtrak]

Must be my grandma driving the SRT8.

[@charlesjacobsen9895]

Agreed, the SRT was really slow off the line and the 340 sounded modified, but even so the SRT8 with 425 HP, should have been much quicker!

[@importantwill3224]

yea Srt driver afraid of the power

[@casjion9341]

U must be young ... No way that SRT8 beats any mopar with 440 six pack

[@Kiloooooooooo]

@@casjion9341last 2 races are real races

[@lanehoward8612]

Love seeing the old 340 kick ass lolol

[@4406bbldb]

well that 340 sure is built. this is great to watch, i worked in veh development back then. i was part of the crew that did the pisol grip shifter w/hurst. love this stuff.

[@Ballenxj]

Gotta LUV this! I had a 72 340 Cuda 4 bbl. It was never close to this fast in the quarter. OTOH, those 340 Six Pack cars were legendary. Thumb up for this.

[@Ruel-rc2ly]

I had a friend that had a 70' dart swinger 340 4-speed with 2x4 "s it would pull the wheels about 10 inches off the ground shift about 3 feet sideways to the right riding the back wheels :)and this was in 1971

[@Crazycar408stroker]

Old school rule's period !

[@colinmurphy3124]

Classics RULE!

[@jhancock1575]

70 challenger T/As were designed for road racing to meet specs for the trans am road racing series. They were not set up for drag racing. 340 6 packs were fast for sure, but I bet this one had a little extra help.

[@williammcdonough2291]

you read my mind

[@davetweedy9868]

Love your TA brother! I had three of them all at once, yellow, green go, Hemi orange. This yellow TA reminds me of my green one. One of my best friends owns it now in Southern California… Total badass. My yellow one is in a large collection in Texas, the new owner tells me it will never be driven again😔 it’s probably the most perfect restored and heavily option one ever to exist.

[@Jamminmotorking]

340 was and still is a big block slayer!

[@drmrdude1965]

Grind it till you find it! Dont mess with the mighty Six Pak. It's not nice to taunt mother Mopar

[@jeffc7486]

Just like the movies today, nothing beats the originality of the old ones.

[@arieswildchild]

I'm honored just to watch those beasts!

[@jeffrogerswolff]

The title of this video should be, stock versus modified.

[@mmmpowered]

+Jeff Rogers That's for sure! Nice cars, both of them but, a bone stock 340 Challenger T/A ran around a 14.30 @ 94-95 mph. I know because I raced several of them along with AAR Cudas at the Muscle Car Review Pure Stock Races in Michigan in the 90s.

[@PekarskeGarage]

+mmmpowered no you didnt

[@AdussFadass]

Spaniard Martinez Modern muscle doesn't come from the delership or factory modified unless they order aftermarket parts for it. Stock is stock. If it's stock it is not modified. Are you confused what the term modified means when referring to vehicles?

[@spaniardmartinez1597]

+adussfadass not confused at all. 40 years of advancement and increased knowledge ,and new muscle have nothing on old muscle. It is what it is.Maybe my wording didn't match my thought . Get my point?

[@mikek0135]

Spaniard Martinez, I disagree. Engineers have alot more regulations to deal with than they did back then. Remember '71? They started having to put emissions gear on the engines and hp went down. Emissions got more and more strict and in '75 they all had to put 'cats' on and hp plumeted, and they all got slow. Add in increasing safety regs, and ever tightening budgets, and todays machines are much better than in the '60's. That being said, I do prefer the look and feel of '60's iron.

[@cubedmack]

Dam! He would miss 2nd gear and still beat him.

[@zvonko03]

Old school baby ☺ ! Nice drive bro ! Gota love classic !

[@thebeast0382]

Two beautiful cars!

[@Neverdie242]

Oh how I miss my little Red Dodge Dart 340 Swinger.

[@skcharger440]

I love older muscle cars (I've owned a ton of them over the years) but no way that '70 t/a is stock. If it was it would be running 14's and 15's; not 12's and 13's. That car has been seriously tweaked. Still, it was cool watching it beat the socks off the SRT8. Gotta love 'ol skool!! As far as drivers go I think the guy in the '70 was better driver. The guy driving the 2013 never could get it to launch and I think he missed a shift when driving the 70.

[@skcharger440]

tommydortch I do my best!!

[@briancabral9]

Yep....those T/A Challengers and AAR Cudas were good for high 14's...very high bordering the 15 second range...this T/A has a lot into It to just turn a 13...

[@BreathDoctor]

Brian Cabral They ran 13.8s and under STOCK you dumbass. I'm willing to bet that T/A is stock. You know shit about Dodge.

[@skcharger440]

BreathDoctor I'm willing to take that bet because the time you posted is for a 440 "R/T" Challenger not a 340 "T/A" Challenger. Here are the stats on a "STOCK" 340 six pac Challenger,,,,,,,, Identification data Dodge Challenger T/A as offered for the year 1970 since September 1970 in North America U.S. Engine manufacturer: Chrysler V-8 340 Fuel system: 3 carburetors Horsepower gross: 216 kW / 294 PS / 290 hp (SAE gross) Torque gross: 468 Nm / 345 ft-lb Accelerations: 0-50 mph (sec): 5.3 0-60 mph (sec): 7 0-100 mph (sec): 18.9 Drag times: 0- 1/4mile (sec): 15.4 I've owned 3 Chargers ('68 383, '69 440, 73 400 respectively) plus a '71 383 Road Runner so I do know my way around Mopars, "dumbass". Do you still want to bet and if so how much?

[@BreathDoctor]

The 70 Cuda CAME with the 340 6-pack. Also came with the oval port heads, and Intake. Ive seem with my own eyes, times of 11.2 , dumbass., I can get a 318 to do 13.9, dumbass, and I've done it.

[@MetalGearHead]

yep. thats what they were back in the day, and to me thats why i love them so much. its not always about going super fast, but more about having fun and every now and then disturbing the peace. i wish i could of been alive in the muscle car era. that would of been a real dream for me.

[@boostjunkie2320]

Awesome cars great video.

[@FreeeeBeer]

That 340 is probably the fastest small block car back in the 70's.

[@roberthill8564]

Maybe FreeeeBeer maybe. But, I'll betcha there's a bunch of Z/28 Owners that will disagree with that statement immensely. And if you go back to the 69 Z/28s with the DZ302 or the original Zapper in 68 especially the models that came with the Factory installed Cross ram dual holleys which are rare but did come in both 68 and 69, the mighty 340 would have it's hands full keeping up with those Chevys. Hey I loved the 340 but, I think the DZ302 was derated for Insurance a lot more than the Mopar.Sorry. I drove a 69 Roadchicken myself with a big block too but, I could see those Zappers hauled Ass.

[@1fastdoorslammer]

I'll go one further. The 340 is the best production small block ever built. Robert Hill Hill I handled DZ302's with little effort.

[@ghost9431]

1fastdoorslammer chevy 350s though

[@1fastdoorslammer]

Ryan Bacarella A Chevy 350 is a slug compared to the high winding 340. There are numerous tests and comparisons done by all the major car magazines. Do some research.

[@ghost9431]

Chevy 350 you build them up pretty well and the 340 was just a bored out 318 so i would say that is the better engine.

[@awats72752]

srt8 needs a better driver . take off sucks

[@SharrodCurry]

or a newer SRT8 from 2011-Present with a 6.4L 392 Hemi or the 2015 707HP Stock Hellcat Challenger

[@chevymuscle4life]

yea that take off sucks. I would jump that new Challenger off the line in my Tiburon GT taking off that damn slow.

[@kevinlee9751]

I had a 1970 Challenger. Don't Cry. the new one's ain't SHIT im my opinion. 340 - 4 speed Posi, home made traction bars. Hell of a vehicle. wrecked it , Damb near killed myself , never forgave myself for it. Rest in Peace my fast Beauty.

[@justincoleman1837]

Damn that old 1970 challenger kicking ass

[@Carguylogan]

No 340 car ever went 115 mph from the factory. Even a 426 HEMI Challenger, even a L88 430 hp 69 Corvette did not go 115 when they were new. Even a blueprinted and refined pure stock 340 competitor could not manage 115. If that is a 340, it has aftermarket cylinder heads, camshaft, headers, intake manifold, carburetor.

[@SealofPerfection]

Correct on all counts.

[@budlanctot3060]

Read comments. W2 heads. My seat of the pants dyno says a well tuned stock 340 6bbl factory AAR/TA cars would do around 13.5 @ 104(lighter car, 3.91 rear gears). My 09 5.7L Hemi Charger feels like it would do high 13's @ 110mph(heavier car, lower(numerical) rear gears, but more horsepower).

[@SilverRaven1959]

WTF, 14 Second Challenger with 425HP, what a boat. The New Mustangs V6, turn High to mid 13,s stock. I had to Idea they we're so heavy, can't even haul its own ass out of its way.

[@SilverRaven1959]

***** - I could be wrong but I watched 4 Videos on YT anmd none broke the 13's. Where I'm from I haven't seen one break 13's either. I could still be wrong or just seeing the the few that can't...sorry IMHO. Just to clear things up a little...it is the nicest looking of the bunch, it just needs to loose weight...400 Lbs. Then I can see it run in the 12's!!!

[@bobobogan]

I've been a mopar fan my whole life. When I was a kid, my Moms grocery getter was a 70 plum crazy 340 duster, quick car. My first car was a 69 GTX, 4 speed. But for those of you who are young or don't know a lot about cars, there is no way a "stock" 340 car can do 12.07. Impossible! High 13's with drag radials I'm sure, not low 12's. Although if I had my choice of either car it would be the 70. Both nice cars though.

[@kellypainter1039]

Having owned a real T/A Challenger in the past, There is absolutely zero chance the one in this video is anywhere even remotely close to stock. fun to watch anyway

[@vanguardhotrodshop8633]

I've got a 70 440 challenger. I love the wheel tire combination. On yours . What size are the wheels & tires on your 70 ? Thanks

[@checkmate440]

T/A not stock but what a sexy car

[@mastermason4766]

My grandfather had one of these in dark green, it was badass!

[@williamrodi2711]

awesome, I had a 70 cuda six pack back in the day, currently owning a 64 barracuda with a pro built 360 would love to run it against a new challenger.

[@TheJordanAntibellum]

The first run alone explains why I don't fuck with new shit.

[@AwesomeBob]

The SRT should turn off the traction control at least.

[@dennisraglin4234]

That and learn to hit the gas when the tree turns green!

[@lilmarshey]

I am in love with old mopars.

[@markaylott1780]

robert moore: I've always had a thing for the 340 TA six pack, the challenger has been my favorite mopar ever since I was a child, I'm now 52. Thanks for the comparison and an explanation of cars and 2 different drivers. We never got big block anything here in Australia unless you imported it yourself. Just goes to show how spritly the small bock 340 is. Cheers

[@Zman2399]

I love old car more than I do new cars!

[@Defender78]

to all the hata's: YOU WISH U OWNED A CHALLENGER!

[@kodyweisbeck1189]

That's one fast 340!

[@wruruj5686]

A 12 second run with a 340 is pretty impressive. Right up there with AMG Benzs/BMW M-Classes.

[@alexanderrahl482]

That challenger looks like it has some type of electronic limiting thats hemming it up at the launch.

[@StephenSpisak]

absolutely also stock and governed

[@ArchaicLoL]

ya a 340 six pack running 11s no way its got work done to it

[@LR-my2di]

A LOT of work, and it ain't no 340 I'll guarantee you!

[@ArchaicLoL]

Gary Martin you'd be surprised how easy the LA small blocks makes horsepower.

[@ChipMarine]

Gary Martin Obviously you don't even own a car moron ! My 340 tri-power ran 11's all day with 3:91 gears and traction bars !

[@ArchaicLoL]

ChipMarine Tri power that's a GM term Dodge called it a Six Pak and Plymouth just said 6 Barrel.

[@ArchaicLoL]

ChipMarine You're not a big Mopar fan I can tell

[@ambrooks5]

Man that 70 challenger is nasty!! 👍

[@jamesmackinlay4477]

Back in 1984 I owned a all original TA 340 Six Pack it was from the original owner had 43.000 miles on it it was a four speed 3.91 rear gears. (I traded him a RT SE 70 Challenger for it.) Back in those days these cars were falling out of the trees like fruit. I put headers on it and some slicks re curved the distributor and re jetted the carbs just a little because of the headers. It ran 12.60s all day long if I would have put in a little more rear gear a slightly bigger cam and maybe a little head work I am positive it would have been in the high 11s no problem.

[@roadtesttv]

@James Mackinlay That’s awesome. 12.6 in a street car was flying in the early 80’s. Thanks for sharing !

[@wagonmaster1974]

@@roadtesttv My '71 340 Demon w/a 4-gear and 3.91 gears did mid 12s, as well, back in the late 70s. Just add good tires, super tune and go. Mighty 340!

[@bobsilver3983]

As the cars of today just keep getting uglier and uglier, 60's and 70's Muscle Cars look so much better and they have soul.

[@mikestanly749]

exzactly !

[@truth__hurts]

I studied this. The car’s of yesterday could not be reproduced today due to all the factory regulations in place help reduce driver fatality and carbon emission.

[@LITTLE1994]

Definitely.

[@the6thsenz955]

340 is the best small block. My fav.

[@benjaminbritt7862]

The Boss 302, 351 Cleveland, and GMs 327, LT1 350 just to name a few that come to mind

[@loilt5091]

Old school rules!!! That 340's a real sweet ride!!!

[@joem5332]

Favorite car ever the ta barely beats out my second, for some reason love 66 Dodge Charger

[@jameshawkins809]

That is what happens when a sports car shares the same platform as a full size sedan. Them Damn LX cars 300, magnum, charger and challenger, (it is just shortened a bit for the challenger). It looks the best to be but it is big, heavy and slow. That is why they are discontinuing it and possibly reviving the barracuda.

[@blackhawk3456]

They're reviving the barracuda?... *clenches fist and slowly brings it to chest*

[@jameshawkins809]

Oneshot2kills3454 Yeah buddy! Look it up.

[@jameshawkins809]

***** Right.

[@thelaborpeasant]

couldnt have said it better myself. its kinda insulting to me that Chevy and Dodge are trying to pass off pony cars on full size platforms. am i the only one who thinks the new Camaros look and feel a lot more like a 71/72 Chevelle than any Camaro? btw i did hear about the Barracuda, now that SRT is dead i wonder how they would do it. personally ive been ranting about how awesome it would be to have a 2-door, RWD, 6-speed, 5.7 Hemi Dart...Demon edition maybe? :)

[@doctorbull]

They are not discontinuing the Challenger anytime soon. They just unveiled a new exterior, interior, and hellcat supercharged motor this week for the 2015 SRT Challenger. That would be foolish to go to all the work of retooling to offer a change in style for just one year. There were talks of the Cuda coming back, but the head of SRT stated in an interview last year that it was not in the cards for the immediate future, and was a rumor that got a little out of hand. However he did not say it was not a possibility down the line. SRT just put out a video today showcasing the newly redesigned challenger for 2015 =ZUyBFrAJAlE

[@jdj62464]

whoever is driving that srt8 can't drive for shit!

[@4406bbldb]

Wow did you see that suspension work on that 340, notice the 1-2 shift at least. I worked with these cars during the development stage. Great memories.

[@robparker8342]

So true!

[@tcswag801]

stock 340 ? na . both drivers need to be replaced

[@zxtenn]

Yeah sure like that old 340 was STOCK huh?????

[@bignuts4555]

I love the old and the new challenger. But the old one is my favorite. It's just a work of art to me.

[@danrgoodnight9345]

I had a '70 340 w the Hurst pistol grip -- gods whata car !

[@kctransplant70]

For those of you who were surprised by this, you shouldn't be. Compared to old cars, new cars are heavy as hell! Why? Because of all of the unnecessary shit that is packed into them. Power everything. DVD players. Power seats and windows. Air conditioning. Then there is all of the government mandated safety shit like airbags, ten ton bumpers, tire monitoring system, etc. ALL of it adds up. The new Challenger is not only a lot bigger than the old one, it is a LOT heavier. Power to weight ratio is the bottom line. It always has been and always will be. Put the new car on a diet and it wins instead of getting it's ass kicked repeatedly.

[@hemiheven]

far from stock 340. pulled hard

[@LR-my2di]

No 340 and FAR from stock! That's lost on so many of these yay-hoos!

[@ChipMarine]

Gary Martin you don't know shit from wild honey pal ! Probably drive your Mom's car.

[@roberthill8564]

ChipMarine Hey Moron. The Guy has Proof that you're full of shit so quit trying to piss him off and admit the obvious. You are a Classic benchracing keyboard sniffer with Wannabe tendencies ya Loser!

[@ChipMarine]

Fuck off Bobby !

[@roberthill8564]

ChipMarine Grow up Sweetie!

[@Raymondzoso]

I use to own a 70 Challenger T/A. I bought it off the original owner with only 56,000 original miles. I did a number of mods to it and the best I ever ran was a low 13. it was a 4 speed but later down the road I put a Doug Nash 5 speed in it. Mine had the louvers on the back rear window. The T/A stock came with offset rockers and also on the side of the block there was the letters T/A cast into it. The moved the antenna to the back it had something to do with the fiberglass hood radio reception. The T/A also came stock with different size tires in front and back.

[@tangoandcars9588]

New: Hey dad wanna race? Old: You don't want it son.

[@realistic2603]

love that 70 challenger....doesn't weigh 3000 pounds though...more like 3400......little 340"s are smoking engines...one of the few that would run with a 350 chevy!....AMERICANS CAN MAKE IT RUN WITH A CARB AND SOME GEARING.....WE DONT NEED TURBOS....THATS WHAT EUROPE CANT STAND....HE HE!....LMAO!!!

[@ericmclendon6117]

I agree that American NA muscle is best. However I do like a Turbo. The sound, the low end strength from the tiny turbos and the high end strength from the bigger ones. I have put a turbo no every car I have owned except my first two vehicles which were a 63 Volks Super Beetle and a 87 Ford Escort lol I just love the sound.

[@1fastdoorslammer]

"one of the few that could run with a 350 Chevy"???? A 350 Chevy is outclassed in every way possible by a 340.

[@Dogboy1960]

1fastdoorslammer Uh......no. Get a clue. The 340 was a GREAT engine in it's day. Set up it can be a strong runner. But the real problem is found in it's extremely short production run. The Chevy 350 benefits from a much longer run. For each incremental HP increase desired... you can do it more easily and cost effectively with the Chevy. That's a win plain and simple. If it's STOCK vs STOCK from back in the day that you want to limit this to? The 340 still loses. The hottest 340 in that time period made less power than the 1970 LT-1 350 Chevy. The LT-1 came with all the tricks in Chevy's play book for the small block learned in the 302 program for racing in a larger displacement package. Chryslers are cool and given how much rarer they are.....I'd personally much rather have an old Barracuda or Challenger set up with a 340 for trans am racing......but I say that with the understanding that it's the cool factor I'm after.....if it was the faster car I wanted I'd have to take the 1970 Z/28 or Corvette with the LT-1.

[@kctransplant70]

Dogboy1960 I actually prefer the 327 over the 350. With the shorter stroke it revs a lot better. Same with big blocks, I like the 427 better the 454 for the same reason. Sure, they give up a little torque, but they just seem to run better. The L79 327 in the '66 Nova was wicked fast, and it isn't even the hottest 327! The L76 had a solid lifter 30/30 cam, and the L84 was basically the fuel injected version of the L76. Given, the LT1 is a GREAT engine and Corvettes and Camaros with the LT1 ARE fast as hell. I wouldn't discount the Chrysler 340 though, the best two smallblocks EVER made are the Chevy 327 and the Chrysler 340.

[@Dogboy1960]

kctransplant70 In theory the 327 should be the higher revving motor vs a 350 but that's just not the case. Both motors ,along with the 302 share a 4" bore. the Shorter stroke in a 327 suggests it's slower piston speed means less stress vs the 350....allowing it to spin to faster RPMs more safely. That's the argument anyway. The only problem with that argument is found in all the development that went into the 302 for trans am racing. It was the 302 that saw the most effort to go racing. The 1970 LT1 350 is without dispute the very strongest and most performance you could by in a pre-smog era Small block. But what is found inside that engine was mostly just all the great stuff that came out of the 302 racing effort. The LT-1 got all the tricks and improvements from the 302s full on racing effort, free floating wrist pins, forged rods and steel crank along with 48 extra cubic inches of displacement. The 327 was history by the late 60s it faded away too early to benefit from 302 engine development. The 327 was the best Chevy Small Block BEFORE the 302........but after Trans Am......I 1970 the LT-1 reigned supreme over not just Chevy's other small blocks but also Ford and Chrysler efforts as well. Nothing else even came close. Today with 40+ years of even MORE devolvement and time the LT-1 is nothing special vs what you could easily build now but back in the day this was as strong as you could get.

[@srvctek1]

The 340 six pack was untouchable back in the day!

[@moparedtn]

+srvctek1 They were low 14 second cars stock at the strip. Very "touchable". Any decent running big block Mopar could handle them.

[@grabber_blu_angel]

+mmmpowered A '70 LS6 Chevelle would eat them all.

[@PekarskeGarage]

+mmmpowered Shows what you know... hahahah

[@Jer872]

+moparedtn that 340 maybe wasn't stock but it's nothing uncommon for a 340 to wipe a big blocks ass, there high reving giant killers. The 14 second quarter mile times you read about are from the 70's on skinny bias tires and through 2 inch exhaust with manifolds. My 71 340 Demon will run in the 12's and all that's done to it is headers , 2 1/2 inch exhaust , msd ignition and a air gap intake

[@johnwillis7965]

Jeremy Krieger: my friend had a 71 duster with a stomping 340 in it we ran all over out here handing big blocks theyre papers ,,back in the day we were buying 104 octane at the pump for .70 cents a gallon and dumping chevron av gas and bump the timing up and hang on

[@jamesreaves5534]

Driver of the 1970 car is definitely the better of the two drivers he left the line and consistently got the hole shot every time except once that was the fifth race. 5 out of 6 races he hole shotted the shit out of the newer car I mean he dog walked him off the line!! God Bless Y'all Jimmy in NC....

[@Legittuber]

How I discovered this channel and first video I watched.

[@ExtremelyOCD]

Nothing like old school muscle eating a modern car for lunch.

[@Chrisnuzzo76]

I have been to the track and run against a lot of SRT8's, including the Chrysler 300, and none have run this slow. I was running 14.4's at 96 mph on radials in a 1990 5.0 Mustang and they were all high 12's and low 13's. There's no way a 425 - 470 hp (depending on year) car runs 14's. And 104 mph is supposed to be a 13.2 quarter. That driver has no clue how to drag race that car. Also, stock 1970 340 6 pack runs 14.5's. This thing is no where near stock. You can tell just by listening to it.

[@kevinoconnell6503]

NOT true. There s no "supposed to be". 104 can be anywhere between 13.0 and 14.5 depending on traction, gearing, and the strip itself. With tons of experience my brother's Dodge Shelby GLHS used to run 14.0 @ 102.5 all the time.

[@RailFanRob]

+Kevin O'Connell I've been around muscle cars for a very long time and never saw a 340 run 13 flat in bone stock form. Maybe a hemi would but never saw a 340 do it. Read above... The person who posted this goes on to say that it was heavily modified. I truly do not think it would have beaten the modern Challenger in Stock form...

[@bigkarl24]

Christoph N have to think about the location and elevation the other driver actually got his car down to 13s in the 1/4 but maybe he can get it down to mid 13s in that setup

[@stephenmarcus9629]

Christoph N I guess you never go over well turn 340 they are fucking quick

[@Chrisnuzzo76]

Stephen Marcus My uncle has been a mechanic for 30 years and he has a Duster with a well tuned 340 and it is a beast. I do know what they are like. But I'm speaking of stock for stock, not tuned on either end. If we went with tuned you'd have to tune both, then the SRT8 would be running 11.5-11.8's, seen plenty of them running that when I used to go to the track.

[@ChaplainAndyAZ]

Man nice video, not everyday u get to see 2 icons race down the track. Those are both nice MOPAR's but I'm a little partial to the old, could change the oil and spark plugs in that ole 70 in under 10mins, I'll be lucky to pop the hood and find the spark plugs on that new challenger in an 1hr.

[@svbarr]

Back in the day I had a Barracuda formula s with a six pack 4 speed. Don't know if the 6 pack was original or if that and the manifold was added. Crane 3/4 race cam Headers that were unbolted and ran slicks at the drag strip. 13.77 best time. On the street it ATE Mustangs, GTO's, most Chevelles and most 440 cars. The 340 was an amazing motor with a great power to weight ratio....

[@roadtesttv]

Thanks for sharing. 👍

[@cvfunnsixspeed9213]

bad (real bad)driving..........but the 340 wasn't stock, that's for sure......

[@roberthill8564]

***** do you have any Idea just how much you have to do to a Car (even a good muscle Car like the T/A) to get one to run high 11s as compared to 13s which is the best an ACTUAL Stock Engine will do in that Bodyframe??? You don't do ya. As a matter of fact, I don't believe you know very much about Cars at all! You know a lot less than you think you do anyways.

[@roberthill8564]

***** Congrats on being able to build a Race Car with your Buds helping out. Here's my question tho. Do your buds think that 340 is stock also? Have they watched that video? If the answer to both questions is yes, I don't believe your "Bracket Car" is going to do too well. Unless of course you are entering a stout running 18 second Grocery Getter which won't spin a Tire even on wet pavement never mind a rubber coated track. While they are obviously very consistent because wheelspin never comes into the Equation, I find it easy to fall asleep at the half track marker just watching these folks like you play wannabe a Racer with only 100 ponies under the Hood. C Ya.......

[@roberthill8564]

***** You may very well have mentioned that you're building a Dodge pickup in an earlier post before I came onto this Forum. But, nothing was said about a Pickup that I can recall. Now, with that said, I'm going to save you a lot of mental Angst by saying that this pissing match you started because you refused to admit the obvious has grown somewhat boring and repetitive to say the least and I will leave you to observe your own words and read all the surrounding replies regarding whether or not the 70 340 T/A Cuda is stock or not. After all, that is what the original Subject was before you started keyboard bashing so, just let me end all this foolishness by saying that contrary to your Opinion, I don't have a Problem with younger Racers as you say. I was one myself once. My only concern at the start of this repartee was that you were insisting a Car was stock when virtually everyone else who gave their Opinion on here said it was obviously not so, myself included. All you had to have done was say "Ok, I guess I'm wrong here" but, that doesn't seem to be possible for you to say. If anyone is being "ignorant and arrogant" here, it is you my young padouin! Look back on your Comments and you will see the error of your ways and also take note that you are the individual who started calling People "pieces of shit" on this Comment section. I believe it is you that needs to become more observant and you also need to learn to admit when you are wrong. Good Luck with your Project. have many safe Passes and continue to grow up!

[@phootube]

Full Metal Panic not a chance! Never saw a stock 340 get into 12’s let alone 11’s.

[@havq1155]

The new Challengers have about just as much power as a 6-Speed mountain bike.

[@steveeddy6876]

The 340 was a kick ass little motor! Mopar or no car!

[@aerialheights5680]

Geez, I never cease to amaze myself! I watched the first half of the first run and mumbled, "Looks like about 11.9" referring to the 340/6pk. Damn, within 1/100th sec, not bad if I don't say so meself! ...think I busted my arm patting meself on the back ...he DOES need to grease that shifter though.