Getting the roof right: Try, Try, Try again - Scratch building Market Street Part 3

[@djrobi61]

Hey, Who's the guy standing in the window? Too funny!

[@Chandwell]

2,200 views, 73 comments, and you're the first to spot him! Well done!! :) Michael

[@djrobi61]

@@Chandwell That was so funny seeing him standing there. Brings me to your use of curtains, now characters to add to the story. Add shapes like people sitting, furniture or boxes... Wow this has got to be tiny. But the camera picks it up. There is no fooling that.

[@bobo6148]

Great! The new roof is looking more realistic! I know it very well..still something to go back and little repair..well done 👍👍👍👍👍

[@MrVinnyh]

Michael, I like the individual builds, watching the way they progress with the transformation of Chandwell. You have mastered the art, of fooling the eye 👍🙂

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Vinny! Michael

[@vincenthuying98]

It’s always a pleasure to watch your videos Michael, whether your project updates, your quests and query’s, your drives towards yet another innovation. It’s all about your creative endeavors. Just marvelous to watch.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Vincent! Michael

[@brenmayhugh]

I wouldn’t be opposed to just additional building videos. They are fantastic!

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Michael

[@stevenflebbe]

I particularly enjoy watching each building come to life as you build them. Perhaps a mini series of videos, one for each building, but each one focusing on a different aspect of the entire process...as you suggest; windows, textures, varnishes, etc. And the roof looks perfect!

[@Chandwell]

That's a great idea! Michael

[@iknownothing-49]

Wonderful flying buttresses! They are behind the scenes but so beautiful.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you

[@mattsmith4605]

Tbh everything you produce is always interesting. I’m a novice scratch builder so techniques are always a bonus.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Matt! I will try to keep a good mix going. Michael

[@djrobi61]

Michael, Success Again! One thing about your presentation is that you allow your audience to understand your thought process of what works and what doesn't. You're not afraid to take things you have put together and "Preform Surgery" or completely scrap something that totally does not work. I believe a lot of people get caught up in trying to make things perfect right from the start and will be stifled when something does not work, instead of just hacking off the bad and refitting a new idea. I like the explanations of why, how you plan to modify and of course, the execution. Another concept is continuing the talks on the progression of your railway with insights to the future. I do really like the instruction using Inkscape, i've used some of your ideas myself... especially just simply writing note in the file of what I'm doing, need to do and thoughts. All good when you have 10 things going at the same time. So, Inkscape uses explained as you progress are great. I would think that a mishmash of everything you stated as you progress along the back scene. Would think that with the number of structures that are mocked up you may not want to build things in order. Maybe just build a structure in the middle, see if it fits in the surroundings, adjust adjacent building and explain your thought process. guess what? You know I will though my 2 cents in...LOL! Great Work! The Chandwell Plan Board must be pleased, Happy Holidays to you and your family! Don

[@Chandwell]

Hi Don! Thank you! I think I will continue the "whatever comes" approach to the videos. It seems like people like them like that! Michael

[@Steve-tq6yc]

It’s always good to see progress but seeing some techniques is always worth seeing

[@Chandwell]

I will try to keep mixing it up! Michael

[@madmania5080]

Using the methods I saw here on this channel..I have paper wrapped several buildings now...as opposed to painting them...and it's working out really well. Thank you!

[@Chandwell]

That is great news! What scale are you working in? Michael

[@roystudds1944]

Great work on the roof there Michael and I agree with the other comments, I’ll watch whatever you publish as I find it so inspiring. (it is also an excuse to pause what I’m doing when I’m getting frustrated because things aren’t going well, as now, to watch someone actually achieving something visual). Thanks for sharing. Roy.

[@Chandwell]

Thanks Roy! Michael

[@djmoulton1558]

I like the weekly summations of all activities but I think it is really up to you as to what you want to share and when and how often.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Michael

[@thegrowler-blackwoodngauge]

Hi Michael - the roof does look better - bet your pleased with it now. On the subject of videos - I do enjoy your quick paced shorts - where you give an overview of what you have been constructing. Whatever you choose to do I'm sure the videos will still be enjoyable to watch. Cheers Euan

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Euan! Michael

[@davestrains6816]

That does look a lot better. Whatever you publish will be just fine. I am learning alot. Thanks for sharing. Dave

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Dave! Michael

[@carlsonrobb]

I love what you’re doing. It’s nice getting a weekly video

[@Chandwell]

Cheers Robb! Michael

[@Curlypawz]

A definite improvement with the revised roof. I'm in awe at the skill and time you put in to getting your models just right. But looking at Chandwell it very definitely pays off. I'd love to see a video per building for the street backs - perhaps with some details around the businesses/owners too. The stories really add a lovely sense of background.

[@Chandwell]

We have a little segment on "Warners" in tomorrow's update... but it's a sad tale I am afraid. Michael

[@danielbayer278]

I like the forced perspective. I've never seen anyone do that before, and it's really interesting.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Michael

[@paulhayton3423]

Stunning work, your attention to detail is excellent.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Paul. Michael

[@CarolFlavinlocoladies]

I prefer the ‘break it up under separate headings’ approach but that is probably how my mind works. Enjoyed this video… as always.

[@Chandwell]

Glad you enjoyed it Carol! Thank you for watching! Michael

[@giulius7176]

I would like to see an overview of each building… even if it’s a few episodes. The new roof looks perfect!

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Michael

[@wheezypalacemodels7726]

Hi Michael, great work and yep..looks great 👍🏻…regards, Chris

[@Chandwell]

Thanks Chris! Michael

[@nicolaiitchenko7610]

Great looking building, smart ideas and excellent work. Another triumph! Personally, my love for this channel is such that I would watch your educational, entertaining, enlightening and enthralling videos even if you were to post either of the options offered or anything else pertaining to your development of this "miserable, cloudy and somewhat seedy town. My own clumsy attempts are still not nearly presentable so learning anything from the experts is always a good thing. I would be very very interested in step by steps on anything from more lessons on INKSCAPE through the very basics of glue, cutting, materials, design, whatever but most interesting would be to see each building grow and being added to the scene. The whole town fascinates and, were I able to reduce my quite significant bulk and size to "N" Scale, I would be excited to visit as an historic landmark in model railroading is here being developed.

[@Chandwell]

You are always welcome in Chandwell, Nicolai! If you can't afford the rooms at the Royal Scot, the Weir pub has some cheap rooms available, and they do have Chandwell's best pies. Just be careful on Firday nights though as the pub can get "a bit rough" in the later hours. :) Michael

[@davidrauger]

That's looking brilliant. I live in a small market town with very old buildings and some of those (especially window sills etc) are decidedly wonky so I wouldn't worry too much if buildings are not perfect. As for your leading question, you could have a combination of the two. "This is what I have been doing this week (showing some examples) but I'm going to look in detail how I get that lovely ridge in the flue on this building" etc.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Dave! I will try to keep things going the way they are! Michael

[@Vman7757]

Wow almost perfect.nicely done.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Michael

[@peterwrigglesworth7302]

Hi Micheal That roof looks so much better it really makes the building look so much more really finishes the building and makes ithe whole backscene look more believable Fantastic job. I would say go for either split and do a what you did every other week split with a how to video or do a monthly layout update with maybe a running session thrown in once a month with how to filling the last two Hope this helps with ideas All the best Pete

[@Chandwell]

Thanks Pete - some great ideas! I will see what I can do. Michael

[@daviemaclean61]

Baaaa! I'm going to be a sheep and agree with all the comments so far. A video for each build with emphasis on different elements. I'm aware this doesn't really help, but I, for one, enjoy all your builds and the explanations of the challenges you overcame. Cheers

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Michael

[@ngaugefouroaksstreetstatio6932]

Hi Michael, i think mixing it up keeps it fresh, I like hearing about things that work well and things didn't work so well. Also i would like a distance shot of the layout to get a perspective of where it sits and size etc. All the best.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Watch tomorrow's video for a tale of "what didn't work well!" Michael

[@deansburytownmodelrailway5056]

Great video and I agree the roof looks great and worked out very well! Weekly updates are always welcome and eagerly awaited but I still don’t know how you find the time! Cheers Liam

[@Chandwell]

Thanks! Will do! Michael

[@wendyscott6009]

I have no suggestions but I LOVE the new graffiti addition! 🤣

[@valentinsn-ostalgiemodellbahn]

I like is very much, too. Scotty "bombed" again!

[@Chandwell]

:) Michael

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Michael

[@marktaylor8659]

The new forced perspective section looks great. I'm not much help on which type of video to post as I like them all. The topical videos are nice, but it's also nice when you post a video of the progress of a building project where you cover all the features you've worked on. Anyway, keep up the great work.

[@Chandwell]

Thanks Mark! Michael

[@normanrowe2831]

Hi ya Michael. Don was right. The angle looks good. Sometimes we can overthink things. In regards your question, I always like “ what have I been up to this week,” type videos. But, it’s your channel, and I will watch whatever you come up with. Take care. See ya.

[@Chandwell]

Thanks Norman! 👍 Michael

[@castlegatejunction]

Being a recent convert to using card I’d definitely find videos focused on individual how to elements the most useful. That said, I thoroughly enjoyed the whole creation of the Royal Scott series and like seeing what has been done since last time. Whichever you decide I’ll be watching them anyway.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Michael

[@PJ1R]

I know this won't really help but I would love to see both types of video as its all really fascinating for me, just beginning in the hobby

[@Chandwell]

I will keep a mix Phil! Thank you for watching! Michael

[@PJ1R]

@@Chandwell Thanks Michael

[@TrevTurner]

i like the way you are going now so we can see each building come to life and how you achieve it and how you overcome each challenge keep up the the good work and stay safe Kind regards Trev

[@Chandwell]

Thank you so much! Michael

[@timgoldie745]

Don is a superstar👍

[@Chandwell]

Yes he is! :) Michael

[@ollieahokas9179]

I think a mix of everything will be great, and it keeps you from having the risque of a burn out and keep your interest on the build and the channel itself. In that way, it will be more pleasent for you to finish the buildings and the videos aswell. Cheers, Mate!

[@Chandwell]

Good words - thank you! Michael

[@normg2242]

Brilliant!

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Michael

[@Mumbles274]

Loving the layout and enjoying seeing the progress however it comes

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Michael

[@valentinsn-ostalgiemodellbahn]

Still a great idea to make a perspective roof. The newest set up is even better, great improvement. To your question, Michael: I would prefere the weekly update, which sums up every progress of the actual work. Of course some special episodes for occuring special techniques etc as a addition would be great, too. Btw: Your democratic attitude to ask us and the way you try to built our ideas and critics into your work is great. Keep up the spirit! - Valentin -

[@Chandwell]

Great suggestions! Thank you for watching! Michael

[@stevenhoward3358]

As your skill levels increase, the challenge you'll have is to not steal the thunder of your majestic hotel. The wier and pub are really nice features aswell.

[@Chandwell]

I hope that the backs of Market Street, rising from the High Street at the bottom of the hill will emphasise the beauty of the hotel. That's the plan anyway! :) Michael

[@exehavenharbour]

Hi Michael, the roof looks great, although it looked ok to me before but then without actually being there it’s difficult to get your view. As for how you present your video’s keep it simple, I like what you’re doing already anyway but sometimes it’s just a personal thing and you do it anyway without thinking! Reminds me of work, I’d be set a set of objectives to improve what we were doing in some way, if I thought things were ok I wouldn’t do anything but report back and say I’ve done this and that and nobody was none the wiser as everything was running well anyway, lol! Cheers for now, John

[@Chandwell]

Thank you John! I will try to keep it up! :) Michael

[@draxe9121]

I loved watching how you puzzled through the alley roof. I think such theme oriented videos are excellent as they are very educational as well as entertaining. Having said that, I've enjoyed all of your videos, whatever the format.

[@Chandwell]

Glad you like them! Michael

[@Miertreg1]

Super job👍

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Michael

[@thomashiggins4923]

Well, it looks fabulous, Michael - really atmospheric. Could be a bit dodgy down that alleyway behind the hotel late at night.... To answer your question, what I enjoy is your progress in real time - so working through one projected building at a time. I worry sometimes about the Weetabix box construction, and whether it will stand the test of time (I can't bear the idea of that fantastic hotel and station warping in the heat), but I see from this video that you are reinforcing the interior walls quite firmly, so am reassured. I know you love northern Victorian architecture, but it might be good to get a bit of 1970s lust for demolition in there, and stick a brutalist building (think Preston bus station) between some of 19th/18th century brick and stone buildings, or a faceless 1970s office block. But you have probably got all these things planned already. Thanks for the entertainment, as always. Tom

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Thomas! Yes, that alley is another seedy addition to Chandwell's "social fabric!" The buildings are pretty solid. Most walls are 2mm thick; some are 3mm, and all are made of more than one layer of card laminated with PVA, so I am hopeful they will stand the test of time. The layout is in an internal room that never suffers extremes of temperature so I think they will be OK. I have plans for a 1970s construction part-way down Market Street but I am not yet decided whether it will be a full building, or just a brutal extension on the back of a nicer building. At the bottom of Market Street, on the other side of High Street will be the most monstrous 1960s indoor market you will have ever seen. Think Shipley Market, but worse. Thanks for your advice as ever! Michael

[@rjordans]

I'd be happy with just a 'what I did this week' video style, knowing your videos you will probably cram something interesting in it anyway. Besides that, a time-lapse version at the end would be great too!

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Roel! Michael

[@andrewretallick4614]

I'd prefer your first option of this is what I've done this week as I enjoy seeing the buildings taking shape, but I'll be happy with whatever you decide🙂 Good work on that pesky roof! Andrew🙂

[@Chandwell]

Thanks Andrew! Michael

[@piccadillymodelrailways]

Yep, that works… nice one. You asked about video structure, personally I think it’ll be easier to carry on plotting progress. The subject route could become quite complex as you say fit windows, big then what happens when you’ve done that one and another subject isn’t so obvious. Having said that go with your heart

[@Chandwell]

Wise words from the master - thanks John! Michael

[@russellclay2087]

I’d like to see you do videos on each building as you make them Michael

[@Chandwell]

Thanks Russell! Michael

[@ianleyburn4048]

Hi Michael, the roof looks brilliant - truly amazing to achieve that in such minute scale. Regarding the future: from early on in your Chandwell series, I've always really enjoyed your "this is what I did" videos but your layout and presentation style will make either option a superb watch. Brilliant stuff Michael, best wishes, Ian

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Ian! Appreciated as always! Michael

[@davidstokes8441]

Let's twist again! It's wonderful how the human eye and brain work together to convince you that the impossible is plausible

[@Chandwell]

Isn't it just! In tomorrow's video you will see I have the ground in place and although I KNOW it goes up, my eyes are convinced it is flat. Michael

[@brianbs7348]

I also like the idea of the individual buildings videos with some videos on different techniques you have developed. I really think the new roof looks a lot better now, worth the change. just to remember the building windows in the street behind need to be smaller as its more in the distance. really like what you have done should be in one of the magazines.

[@Chandwell]

Good point Brian. Thank you. Yeah I think I’ll keep going on the direction I’m headed. I think it works quite well. Glad you all think so! Michael

[@simonroberts7891]

Love Scotty's dead koi graffiti

[@Chandwell]

I wonder what Scotty was trying to convey Simon... Michael

[@nickpace3888]

Hi Michael I agree with the guys, l also had the same thought as Steven in terms of altering emphasis on certain videos as you have with regards to perspective in the Market Street videos. The differing architecture on Market Street may well lend itself to this approach. Cheers Nick

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Nick! I think I will keep on with what I am doing as it seems to be a decent mix. All the best. Michael

[@dave3301]

Please more details on window, I watched them over and over, got the over lay from sticker paper I believe just more details on the wrapping and the whole window process. Thank you for sharing.

[@Chandwell]

Noted Dave! I saw this too late for my most recent video, but in the next build that has windows in it I will focus a bit more on them for you. Michael

[@dave3301]

@@Chandwell Look forward to the next installments, Thank you again for sharing.

[@alastairwilson457]

really enjoying your work Michael, love your perseverance in trying to get things right. I just wonder whether a very small adjustment to the angle of the 'vertical' join between the two roof pieces might help. Strictly speaking it might not be geometrically accurate but might trick the eye slightly

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Alastair. I've added a piece of card to represent the stone coping that the real building has and at the moment I am not 100% convinced whether I've improved it, or made it worse! I think I'm stuck with it for now though. Would be interested in your thoughts after tomorrow's video. Michael

[@nicholasking1266]

What everyone else said. The focus elements will emerge with each building which I can only imagine will be very varied in shape and style. That all being said I would be happy whatever you choose to do.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! And thank you very much for your membership! :) Michael

[@ericsainte290]

I too prefer to see how each building is created as for each there is specific techniques or elements involved (like for one the rounded roof penetration). I also think that one building may interest some while others will be by another one, so the individual building videos seem to me better in that perspective.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Eric! Michael

[@ocalicreek]

You're really on a path that not many have taken, using forced perspective and scratchbuilding. So I was hesitant to suggest the roof could be better after the last video, especially since I can't say what it would be like in person, or how much the camera might distort the view. So what I will suggest is this - on these types of videos where the perspective is changing, how about a steady shot of the view from where you regularly stand, another from ground level (though I know there's no level ground in Chandwell - wink) and maybe one panning across the scene. You already do this in a way, so I'm just being picky, but I feel it would help us understand how such a structure is viewed and how it relates to the rest of the scene. Anyway, I do like the new roof better. Good on you for having the courage to try it differently. As always, I'm ever so excited to see what comes next. Personally I prefer the "what I did this week" approach. Either way will be great.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! I have tried to include a few more angles in tomorrow's video. Let me know what you think. And thank you for your suggestions. (And an especial thank you for the nod to "no level ground in Chandwell!") Michael

[@barryturner2916]

Michael third time lucky (lol) but its not luck in you case its skill and advise from others. Well done the roof shape is spot on and looking great. I enjoy watching your builds do you just work in card because I have built my local station completely out of plastic. Thanks for sharing please take care..

[@Chandwell]

Thanks Barry! Yes, I just work in card. I've never tried building in plastic. I think I need to stick to card on Chandwell to maintain the overall "look" but who knows what I will do on my next layout... in 10 years! :) Michael

[@georgethomas7814]

this is what I did this week please -- it should include all of the other things and make for a more satisfying result

[@Chandwell]

Thanks George! I will see what I can do! Michael

[@timfairweather7568]

Interesting graffiti addition, haha!

[@Chandwell]

Indeed it is! Michael

[@Elvenhome]

From the look of the comments your audience appears to have spoken and prefer the what-I-did-this-week approach. I think that might also be easier to achieve. Otherwise, you will have to tailor activity to whatever the subject matter is going to be for the next video and that may not always be convenient. If you are really keen you could use the build of each building to produce a stand alone video focussing on one aspect of the build using the themes you mention and release the themed videos in between the other progress videos. I enjoyed watching the process of evolution until the roof was right. It does look much better now, although it didn't look bad last time. Stephen

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Stephen - wise words as ever! I think I will keep going the way I was going. It seems to be working at the moment! Michael

[@DanKeeley]

I like the this is what I did this week. Even though it may seem the same its Probably not!

[@Chandwell]

Thanks Dan - that's the way I am going, I think. Michael

[@konradspurzbahner8146]

👍👍👍👍👍LG Konrad

[@Chandwell]

:) Michael

[@chrisrebar2381]

I really enjoy your videos and your models look great. Two constructive comments 1) A little light weathering on your work would really add the final touch and 2) why not actually hand draw the awkward bits before you create the model as, for me, the perspective of those roof tile still doesnt look right to me. Keep up the great work

[@Chandwell]

Thanks Chris - that means a lot and I do like constructive comments! I add light weathering from time to time, but it's not an area I have a lot of confidence in yet... But watch this space and hopefully you will see that improve. I am leaving the roof for now. I don't think it will ever be perfect from all angles, and I'm happy with it enough to move onto the next part of the build. Michael

[@chrisrebar2381]

Chandwell Thanks for the reply, and keep doing what your doing, you are a very talented guy

[@djburland]

A weekly update is best

[@Chandwell]

I will try to keep them coming! Michael

[@kyleburkholder6003]

As to you question at then end my answer is yes

[@Chandwell]

Thank you! Michael

[@convinth]

I'm relatively new to card building and would benefit from the "how to" approach" rather than from a general sweep of what you've done in the last week. That said, the most important thing is to keep showing the videos.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you - I will see what I can do! :) Michael

[@jo-bahn8737]

I'd prefer "what got done this week". Specialities will come along sutomatically.

[@Chandwell]

Thank you Johannes. I think that will be how I end up going. Thank you so much too for your membership. That really means a lot. Michael

[@jo-bahn8737]

@@Chandwell You're welcome. The benefit is on my side

[@philkirk4571]

Hi Michael. Enjoyable as always! Two suggestions from me. 1. Carry on doing what you want as it’s your project and you’ll never please everyone all of the time! It’s great whatever you do. 2. Don’t encourage the pathetic ramblings of Koi Fishface. It’s what these brainless morons feed off. You’ve no need to get into dialogue with him. Cheers mate.

[@Chandwell]

Your words of wisdom resonated, Phil. Koi Fish is hidden now, so we'll never waste any mental effort on anything he writes again! Michael

[@kellypaws]

Has old ‘fish features’ left the comments? I’m quite sad about that, he showed signs of being a tremendous source of added entertainment. In his own way.

[@Chandwell]

I realised that I was expending more mental bandwidth on him than the people who really matter to the channel so I finally pressed the “hide user” button. Sad to lose the entertainment perhaps but no real loss! Michael

[@philkirk4571]

He’s gone back to the bottom of the pond where he belongs.

[@steverileyretired]

Individual please

[@Chandwell]

I will see what I can do! Michael