AMAZING RV Off-Grid POWER for Towable RVs! (Volta Power System Prototype)

[@shaungarrett3938]

With the cost of campgrounds these days in the $60-70 per night I can see this system paying for itself in under 3 years for full time RVers who boondock, and give you the freedom to stay anywhere. Very thorough test. I appreciate your level of geek. You usually answer all of my questions.

[@bitworkx6028]

Nice idea. Might have to add this to my trailer if I can find the space.

[@RandyOwen-j2n]

Great overview. I agree with your recommended improvements. Hybrid mode, and detailed information on what is contributing to and drawing from the system is important. This is how RV power systems should work!

[@sergevilleneuve1715]

The Power Share / Hybrid Mode is my most wanted!!!!

[@JandAReview1]

Holy Crap! That’s an awesome system! You could run our camper if we camped together. Thank you Chad for your service on the Veterans Day Weekend! Safe travel guys!

[@mitchbsc]

Push it to the max ... fire up the MIG welder! 😀 Thanks for the mention of watts being a more approachable number than Amp/Hr.

[@randallgriffith6416]

Great video. I've wanted to know about your system ever since you first mentioned it. I think it sounds terrific and it would be well worth the investment. I think the upgrades you mentioned are right on point, especially power-sharing and the ability to monitor the system via the Internet when you're not at the rig. Needless to say, you've made a lot of your viewers very jealous! Safe travels!

[@kipeast]

I think they are definitely headed in the right direction. They are taking complex multi-component systems and creating a more streamlined system. I would definitely be interested in that system, but I would also like to see a slightly smaller system for rv's that are not as massive as yours. Perhaps if they go into production, they might offer 2 or 3 sizes to accommodate different applications.

[@jordancook1668]

Agreed. I actually am kind of amused at such a huge battery in such a giant fifth wheel. I love the tech but let's be honest...ain't nobody boondocking in this rig but once in a blue moon. This is an RV park monster, and any park that can accommodate it has 50 amp power which is more than enough for just about anything. Systems that fit in off-grid RVs make a bit more sense to me.

[@Mikei97]

I’ve been one of those viewers that has been bothering you about this vid. Needless to say, I’ve been extremely curious to know more about this system! First of all, I’m currently 26 years old and not able to afford a 25k power system but I can guarantee you I will be able to in the future, as these systems become more and more mainstream (maybe 5 to 7 years from now). That being said, there’s a particular reason why I’m so interested in this system: Dog Shows. We camp at the shows every other weekend and we keep the dogs inside the camper to keep them cool or warm as needed. The possibility of being able to run two or three ACs while on the road and/or limited/no-hookup showgrounds makes this system very appealing. I agree that the alternator system might not always make sense, but for me it 100% would, as it would allows me to keep the house cooled down at all times for the pups, as we go down the road. Volta could potentially market this system to Class A, C, and Super C owners. I do think that there’s definitely a market in customers that need full-time climate control and that includes dog and horse owners. Tell Volta to start hitting dog shows, they might find a few potential customers. While at it, let them know I’m willing to be a Guinea pig and sell the system at the shows at the same time; I do have sales experience and live in Indiana! 😂 Thank you again for the vid and I hope this feedback is useful!

[@ChangingLanes]

Volta Power Systems are already in a lot of drivable RVs.. 👍🏼

[@RKONeilJr]

power share would be a good thing and I agree the more info you have the better! I am really interested in the generator on the truck

[@patmcgann12]

Thanks for the very indepth review of the system and I really appreciated how far you pushed the load test. It certainly seems that the system could be a boondockers dream and with what appears to be to be a much simpler installation compared to a traditional large Victron/Battleborn system it could get a lot of interest. Unfortunatley the $25k-$30k price tag may cause a lot of folks to pause (It absolutely got a Yikes out of me). It will be interesting to see if Volta addresses some of your concerns and possibly introduces a smaller system (12KW instead of the 18KW) that would be expandable for $20k. They may capture a larger audiance but that is my ignorant $0.02 worth. Looking for to next weeks Video. Thanks.

[@lyfandeth]

Volta also told me directly that if I wanted to upgrade from Volta3 to Volta4, it would all have to be done by Volta. As compared to Victron, who are glad to sell upgrades to owners.

[@HabitualButtonPusher]

My hang up with volta is they do not or haven’t made any testing public or discoverable on the website that I could find. We went with the Florida based competitor that proudly showed their UL testing and UN DOT testing certifications. That being said, the volta power distribution hub is REALLY cool as it replaces or takes the place of all the inverters and charge controllers. If I did buy one of these volta power systems for the next rig, I think I would just bite the bullet and expand to twice your battery storage, claims it can go all the way to 100 KwH for the 51 volt system. Talk about staying off grid for a little bit.

[@thomaskiser140]

I live fulltime in my Avion 34W rig. Haven't been plugged into shore power since installed my 3,150 watts of solar on roof end of July.

[@DenverBMW]

Hells yes!!! Been waiting for this video!! Love the details you provide!!!

[@georgewheeler3731]

Thank You for your Service, from another Navy Veteran

[@NAHWTV]

I have a 48 volt dual inverter Victron setup on my current rig. I looked heavily into installing a 48 volt alternator on my tow vehicle, but the more I dug into it the more I did not like the idea. The fact that you've got to rev the engine fairly high to get decent output from it means you're adding a lot of wear and tear to your very expensive tow vehicle if you're using it as a generator while you're parked. It just seemed to me that as cool as it would be to be charging while underway, it just made more sense to buy a separate generator.

[@ChangingLanes]

Agree completely.

[@brianlykins6663]

Thanks Chad. This was a concise review of this system. This is a system that would be very appealing to those living in or those doing extensive traveling. And as you stated, the first impulse would be a gasp at sticker shock. But also, once broken down and comparing each to the other, there won't actually be much difference . Comes down to preference then, or the ability of smooth talking sales rep. It will be nice to see what this system does over the long haul. By the way sir, since this is Veterans day weekend - thank you for your service. And thank you to every veteran that happens to read this. God bless ya'll and stay safe on your travels.

[@rickrichardson5329]

Amazing system Chad and very interesting. I figure this is were the systems will be going in the future and I believe they will be more affordable than

[@TheJsmharley]

We are full timers for the last 2 years and have a very similar Victron setup you previously had that I designed and installed myself. I agree with the updated GUI display to bring in solar/shore/AC&DC usage. Really like the prototype setup and love the additional flexibility it gives with the higher split phase capability. What’s the chances of an expanded Beta test 🤩 What does the overall weight come to with the PDH & 18kw battery? Weight is always a concern of course.

[@davidllewellyn6946]

I always enjoy your videos. That is a VERY impressive system. Holy cow! At that price point it is definitely way out of reach for most RV'ers. That battery alone is incredible. But thats the kind of system you would put on a Newell coach. If they make that system in some smaller options I think it would be a lot more appealing. Even on your rig its a lot more than you really "need" when boondocking but man it sure would be sweet to have. If they built a system about half that size I think it would have a lot of interest from the more common folk.

[@jerrysgaragethemoneypit2028]

Good information. I am not interested in for my RV, but I show cars all over the USA and have a 40' gooseneck trailer (all aluminum) and need the capability for one night without shore power. I wait for your next video on this system.

[@justcauseart9351]

Thanks for the great information. I’m currently looking into options for my next rv setup. And with all the options available for the price point I believe this would work the best for me personally. Always look forward to your videos!

[@thomaskiser140]

Thanks for the Review. I have around $17,000 in my system on my Rig. 3,150 watts of solar on roof. 15 KW Ecoflow Power Kit. 48V system.

[@robmcneill2967]

Great system, can't argue that fact, hands down. Just finished the NRVTA solar course and this had my attention. Because it's not production yet it has me in watch mode. The market for your system, I. My option is very limited. Great but to get a company to buy into a small market may have its challenges. No disrespect intended , but I'm still a huge fan of Victron, there meat and potatoes is residential back in the Netherlands, so they have bigger plans that rock just no real feasible for the RV world. I guess in closings we have to puck our poison. Best of luck with this build it looks killer...we are in design mode so we have time on our hands. Safe travels and continued success Cheers 🥃🥃‼️

[@drivingmsali]

Great channel! Wife and I just moved to an RV after several years full timing on our sailboat. we gave up the Harleys though, maybe not forever. subscribed.

[@cbob1]

COST APPROACHES THE VALUE OF OUR RV. NUTS!

[@markfowler6200]

I wish the industry would use joules. Compare fuel types in joules, efficiency in joules, etc.

[@diyernh]

I like discrete components. If you have multiple batteries, solar charge controllers, maybe even two Victron Multiplus's for 240VAC, you can always rearrange the components to keep working. The single battery or inverter would be quite some down time to replace if it failed. Yes, it's fun and exciting to own a spectacular system, but as an every day driver, I'd opt for a more available system.

[@davidcolinstillman5585]

HI CHAD 👋 THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL SAVE SPACE , WEIGHT & PAY FOR IT SELF IN TIME . SOONER THAN THE OTHERS. IT'S ALSO READY FOR YOUR FUTURE IDEAS 💡 TOO ! WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW IT GOES / TURNS OUT ? HOPE EVERYONE IS DOING WELL 🙏 BE SAFE ! HAVE FUN ! ENJOYED 🍨 🍨 🍨 🍨 🍨 🍨 🍨 🍨 🍨 🍨 GOD BLESS YOU BOTH ALWAYS ON YOUR ADVENTURES 🙏 THANK YOU 🙏 😀

[@SuperSushidog]

Wow, that sure is a sweet high-end system, though larger than most boondockers need (and can afford.) I've replied before about the system I'm building on our motorhome that fills all our electrical needs as full-timers who boondock most of the time. We're building it for about half the cost of the Volta System. Weve completed the first phase of our system but are only about 1/2 way on our second phase now (all our solar is in, and we're in the process of installing our second phase array now). Our system is not that small either. When done it will have over 5,000 watts of solar and 22.9Kwh of LiFePo-4 batteries onboard. While we will only have 6,000 watts of inverting power, this is more than sufficient for our needs, as we will only have 2 AC units (one of which is a mini split heat pump), so it will provide us 24/7 solar powered heating and cooling along with all our other electrical needs. We are doing all the work ourselves, to save money, but our budget system components will cost us less than $14k - including 5,000 watts of solar. The Volta Power System seems physically large for an RV, taking up a lot of precious cargo space and carrying capacity. Our components are smaller (we use batteries we assembled from prismatic cells which take up little space compared to pre-built batteries) and fit in out of the way places, so don't take up a storage bay. In a motorhome (which all have onboard generators) there's no real advantage of high wattage alternator charging like there may be in a generator less fiver. Though my system can charge one of my battery banks from the stock alternator on my motorhome with a Renogy battery-to-battery charger, I have never needed to use this this feature. If I were to build my system again, I would leave this component out, as my 5,500-watt generator can do this job much faster, if needed, and is quieter and cheaper to run than the big engine in my coach. Nevertheless, I'm sure the highly capable Volta System will appeal to many affluent FT boondockers, as it is much simpler and more turnkey than a do-it-yourself system like we chose to go with. I can see the appeal of a factory installed Volta system on a new unit, so it could be financed with the rig, making it more affordable to many.

[@rayduke7433]

25k is a bit much for most of us. Your system seems like the “Mac Daddy”. I’m not saying it’s not worth it but unless you’re a full time RV’r, it’s probably out of most budgets. Great info Chad. As always I really look forward to these reviews and appreciate your insight.

[@Aj-hp3yy]

Awesome system! Too pricey for me though… I’m happy with my 5.5 Cummins Onan!

[@PeterOCain-d9i]

For sure a video upon your next testing of the hybride mode would definitely be very interesting. Thank you!

[@siobeltravels]

Again, another awesome review with tech and real world application. We were considering a full solar power system for full time RVing and after watching your video we were able to make an better inform decision: Cool but not yet. We came to this conclusion after weighing the cost of a propane generator versus the cost of solar system, safety of both systems, and the "alpha" nature of the solar systems as a whole. After looking at the numerous new solar tech out there and battery tech we can't wait to see what the solar RV industry will do with solid state battery and near future tech. The next 5 years will be a game changer for sure.

[@johnmalecki3893]

HOLY POWER!! And a 7 kw alternator! Sounds like too costly system for a typical RV. Even though it does replace the gen set. I am thinking this can eliminate propane too? I love the simplicity of two black boxes and a few light cables.

[@ChangingLanes]

It could lead to an all electric RV, sure.. But you'd likely want higher capacity for thet.

[@Mikei97]

@@ChangingLanes more capacity as in more Battery Ah?

[@jeffconley819]

The biggest issue and it’s huge is the fact that you are idling the diesel motor therefore filling up the DPF a lot faster. If your running down the road and using the Nitro system I would have no problem because the motor will regen properly .

[@luisgiselaalvarez6]

Great Video guy's !! incredible system, thank you for share the information

[@nepatswin]

Impressive

[@kevnich2]

Chad - for the remote access for the volta, you would need to set up the initial bluetooth to either an ipad or a spare phone and sign into the volta cloud from that device. It's an option when you initially try and login to the system. Then on your own carry device, also sign into the volta cloud and it'll allow you to view these stats remotely via internet. The device that's communicating via bluetooth will upload all of the stats to the cloud via either its own cell signal or your campers wifi, whichever you choose.

[@tracypomar6641]

This is exciting, love the video and if it does all that you showed and how. I love the Volta system !

[@sarahmcarthur9107]

Thank you so much for this video--and we don't think you're being "geeky" with your wishlist. Anyone wanting to go to this level probably isn't looking for throw it in and forget about it, they're going to want to know how much power is going from where. We know we would; it is useful for us to know how well the solar system is working and so on. The hybrid mode makes economic sense--use what you can as efficiently as possible, and you're paying for the, say, 30 amps so why not use as far as it goes. The remote piece just fits with the times--anyone who has any kind of remote system in place currently (like your Ring and the other systems you have in place for Daisy and so on) will probably want the same thing, it only makes sense. We also agree with the Nitro connect--for us it wouldn't probably be very useful, as long as we could power our slides and jacks without it and so on. I think our biggest concerns would be well taken care of with a system like this; my husband is in the process of switching out our dealer (crap) batteries for our first BB lithium 100 amps (2) in our new fifth-wheel and we're only weekend warriors so we don't put that much demand on them, but when we're out on a long trip we do, so we use our generator. It's not that hard to bring with us, and we'll probably continue to do so. But this system looks like an amazing option for the next upgrade if they bring it to market, so we'd definitely be interested in hearing about it if they do. We love long trips with options, and this system would clearly give us that!! Thanks again for all the work you've gone to to bring this to us viewers--we watch all your videos and think a lot of you guys.

[@geralddupree5332]

Chad, if you talk with Liberty Coaches they have been using Volta on their coaches for about 10 years or more. The new Liberty coaches have 30 KWh systems.

[@wagz]

Super interesting, thanks Chad. I really like the plug and play part of this but 25k seems expensive. Still VERY cool setup! The Volta web page is very detailed. Looks like you can get Volta batteries in 6k-ish sizes to create the system you need.

[@HabitualButtonPusher]

If you think of it as your home that you live in half the year, 25k is a decent investment. And there is nothing that says you can’t remove it and stick it in say, your cabin when you upgrade to another rig down the road.

[@wagz]

This is a very good point. I guess it's like an appliance that could be moved to the next habitat when that time comes.@@HabitualButtonPusher

[@andyR4ut]

Just finished my Victron install using the multiplus II. So I'm not I the market. Not sure I would want this particular chemistry in my rig, but I'll dig into this a bit. That is a huge amount of power. I am at 9.6 kwh, and I think that's plenty. At some point you need solar or a generator to recharge. I just do it more frequently but for shorter periods of time. Still pretty cool. But...doesn't look DIY friendly

[@kenastl]

That's a very nice system. A DIY alternative might be the new EG4-6000 with their PowerPro battery. That would come in around $6k + installation.

[@wagz]

Retailers of the EG4 line say that EG4 stuff is NOT to be used in RV's or marine applications.

[@andrewfidel2220]

​@@wagzuh, not sure where you got that considering Signature Solar has explicitly stated that the welding of their EG4 server rack batteries was done with RV applications in mind.

[@wagz]

Well I got that from calling them. But hey I'm super happy to be wrong!!!@@andrewfidel2220

[@wagz]

Andrew I see what you're saying. I didn't know about the new EG4 Pro products. Weather sealed plug and play. Exciting stuff! Thanks for setting me straight.@@andrewfidel2220

[@herb7877]

Not to be a Debbie Downer but at the cost, I would think a lot of people will be out of the market (?). We boondock ~80% of the time & year round. 7 years ago I was getting "paralysis by analysis" trying to decide just how big a system to build. I jumped in small with the idea this would be a learning system & redo later. I built my solar power system for ~$1k. Turns out to have been a good choice. We are small power users & it suits us just fine. A $600 inverter generator takes care of the very few times we require 110V with more than 10 amps, or a quick charge. I burn ~1-2 gal of gas a year. Volta's system provides an incredible amount of power. I don't need a Ferrari when a compact will do. But that just me & IMHO.

[@ChangingLanes]

This system is definitely way overkill if you're a low power user.

[@WTDeal]

Powershare is the way to go, bypass mode drives me crazy. If the incoming power just charges the battery and the inverter pulls from the batteries it would be able to charge with a low amperage line or generator.

[@GLAMP_Ride_and_ThRiVe]

A little feedback from another full time RV'er. Jessica and I (Lee) think the Volta system is very awesome. Needs a few tweaks like you said Chad! Honesty, i don't like the Nitro alternator attachment, as full-timers, or just folks that want to go camping for two weeks. You want your camping experience to be stress free and fun. Nobody, wants to be constantly worrying that they need to get back to charge up there system if they don't have shore power. Additionally, my 2022 Ford 6.7 powerstroke is super loud at 2,000 RPM's, when it is doing a regen cycle, so if they Volta system needs that high of an RPM, that would be super annoying listening to that while charging. I like how we can just leave our 5500 Onan generator running and not have to worry about if we will run out of power when we are out exploring for the day. I think Volta needs to make a hybrid system with a generator and have the Nitro system as an add on, if someone wants the extra charging capability driving down the road, or do away with the Nitro system all together since its a pain to figure out how to configure that alternator to every truck make, model and trim out there. If they combined the Volta system with a generator, just for charging, that had autostart, you would never have to worry about running out of power or worry about getting home early to charge your system.

[@rockercover]

The 9+kWatt draw is an impressive eyeopener. (One of the best selling points). Having non-engine driven power systems seem to be way of the future. I remember back when we had our antique, (now days), Pace-Arrow M.H., equipped the noisiest Onan 3k unit; folks near our rig cheered when we turned it off - (Ran for maybe one-hour around 10-AM). (The most obnoxious sounding generator I had ever heard). There were the folks with quarter-million dollar buses having gen-sets barely heard. (Think I had heard the bus had a diesel generator with the RPM / speed around 700). Thanks for showing the power future… Interesting to me anyway. Hope Volta sells some systems.

[@notfromaroundhere]

Thank you for the overview. I like the minimalistic footprint compared to all Victron components needed for the same. I agree that having a generator would be very beneficial. I don’t currently have solar or DC/DC charging and solely rely on my generator to charge up my lithium when needed. I completely agree with your thoughts on your wishlist. When you get to PowerShare testing, would love to see the results. Price is high, but considering it’s 15 batteries and 1 power hub for other parts, I totally get it. Thanks again for the video. I’ll keep watching for more updates.

[@timaz1066]

Look up Lossigy 200ah batteries 2560wh each. 8 batteries would give you 20.4 kWh They are on sale at $500 apiece. I have four in my system giving me 800 amp hours or over 10,000 W hours for going on two years and I love them.

[@deanwarnock7304]

Wow, that was amazing.

[@claytonjackson5149]

Great video. It was very informative and thorough. I have considered getting a sizable system, and carry a small 2000 watt generator as a backup to charge the system on bad weather days. Don’t know if that would work.

[@garryhammond3117]

Thanks Chad - This looks like a superior system! It would be really nice if the internal control module was more like the Victron module. - Not just "geeky", but more intelligent. Obviously, WiFi would be a great asset for remote control and monitoring. I agree - I think this would be able to compete with similar capacity systems, while surpassing their capabilities.

[@johnfcomeau5011]

I love it, it's a bit pricey but is awesome.

[@larryphillips4164]

Or something like this which is also waaay cheaper than $25,000.00. EG4 6000XP Inverter & PowerPro Battery Kit SKU: Unassigned Just add batteries and you’re ready to go off grid! Kit Includes: EG4 6000XP Off-Grid All-in-One Inverter/Charger EG4 PowerPro 48V 280Ah Battery Rich Solar 400W Solar Panels (x12) Raw Solar PV Cable - 100ft Solar Quick Connectors (x5) Wire Crimping Tool $8,976.00

[@davidpeterson2749]

I'm doing the EG4 6000 XP, EG4 Powerpro 14.3 kwh battery with 3000 watts of REC solar panels. Awesome system. Great price. Around $7k before install. Install is super easy DIY

[@NancyKnight-x6l]

Excited to see this.

[@edmii]

Thank You Chad. Judy and I have been watching you guys since we bought our Open Range 5th wheel in 2019, You and Tara are our go to on how to's. I have been looking at Victron to build a off grid system for our 5th wheel, I totally agree with your wishlist of things needed, I would also be very interested to purchase the same system you have right now. the software upgrades can be done later as they update. Thank You again, I rely on your research and greatly appreciate all that you do

[@kenpolzel412]

Absolutely love it, although I only understood about half of what you were saying. I think it will be a big hit. I have a generator and no solar on a 2021 Montana and happy with that for know!! Thank you

[@coreybabcock2023]

What about those of us who are broke and living in our RVs we need stuff like this too it should be a nessary item gas too and insurance

[@original72canuck]

Thanks for sharing. All of the items in your deficiency list are spot on especially hybrid mode. While some would pay this price I believe more would not and that they should have something in the ~$10-12k price range as well to be accessible to the masses. Even if they had such a system I prob still wouldn’t purchase unless they used or had an option to use LFP cells for safety and longevity reasons.

[@jerilantzy2934]

Great video, how would this system work in a Class A? This is a great system if you boon dock a lot, I like the ease of use and the fact the solar system connects into this system. Again Great Video, thanks for looking into this for everyone.

[@buzzward812]

Yeah it’s a big system with lots of power but the vast number of users have no need for that system. Great for an experimental geek but the market share would be very limited making production a losing proposition. My opinion! Well presented video though.

[@enigma4268]

Detailed power usage isn't "geeky". It can show problems with the system. Problems with solar, or hookups. And it can also let you see what normal levels are, so you know when there is a problem. I'm more in favor of a generator setup over an alternator. Less to do means less to forget. Go for groceries and wonder what's dragging. 🤪 Higher inverter capacity could also mean higher battery drain when idle. How is the efficiency? And could a generator be set to draw xKW and cycle on and off at certain battery levels. Just the IT Guy in me. 😉

[@michaeljohnson8126]

Most impressive system I’ve ever seen and your test bare that out. However I could never justify the cost for a system like that based on often I dry camp witch is 10% of my camping. My system is simple, two 100 amp Battle Born batteries, 240 watt Zamp solar briefcase and a 2000 watt inverter generator and the converter the rv came with. Cooktop, furnace, water heater and refer all gas. It’s all you need and all for about $3500.

[@jeffsteele1295]

Great system love every min of the video. Do you have any additional information on the battery pack and the max solar input wattage ? Thanks so much for your time and great information.

[@ChangingLanes]

Check the blog post later this week for updates.

[@cswhiteleytx]

NMC batteries have a fire safety risk if damaged... Once damaged, fire will not stop until all lithium is consumed and everything within proximity. LFP batteries are ideal with little to no fire risk and have been introduced to a number of EV's including Ford's Mach-E and F150 Lighting. Not sure if the risk is worth the price and performance of the system, even though it is very impressive.

[@markfroggatt73]

Great video Chad as i was very interested in this system when you 1st showed it. it appears to be a large system to installing this in the front bay along with a 5.5kw generator looks to a difficult challenge. Your thoughts for the additional needs are spot on as the additional information on the display would allow us to make changes based on what is going on inside the rig. Oh, the Beard says you're not giving him enough credit.

[@jamesbitb]

At 30k its only for people planning extensive off grid and mostly full timer, however, seems pretty capable. There are lots of newer all in one split phase solar inverter charge controllers coming out which might push this price down and that is a good thing. I think Volta could have a market if they can sell the modularity, improve the footprint of it to work with other storage bay arrangements. Still too rich for my needs.

[@leannebyrd6863]

Absolutely great information!! Very helpful for future reference and comparison to conventional methods such as gas or propane powered generators. I had a conversation with our dealership this past July and they told me that they had sold a unit and that person had purchased 40K in a solar powered system for their unit. My question is what do the major truck manufacturers think about adding the generator to the truck and warranty issues around the installation on the truck

[@michaeldean3771]

Eg4. SOK and other rack batteries are 51 volt 100 Ah so 4 @ 1500 ish is only 6000 for 20K +. They would only take up about a 18"x 18" x 24" cube.

[@don_sharon]

Very cool video, but unrealistic I think if we're honest. With a cost of "$25k", and per your title, for a towable RV, this could represent 25% premium over the cost of your new towable, assuming $100,000 purchase price (15% for $175,000 rig). And then the next question is, why? Unless you are a full time RVer, why would you pay $25k more for an 18KWh system for a couple weeks per year worth of use? If you are full time, most of us are plugged in. I get it that some folks simply like more power. And per your video, running all three ACs for 5-6 hours is cool (pun intended), but that's a BIG premium to pay to be able to do that. Let's say you want to boondock with your new system and theoretically, you could stay disconnected for weeks with solar. Unfortunately, your gray, black and fresh water tanks will force you to leave much earlier - a hassle at best. For the cost of this system, you could pay for a $60 per night campground for more than one year, plugged in. For your info, we are staying at a resort in Florida right now, and our daily cost is $36/day (based on a 3 month commitment), and I'm plugged in, and I saved $25k, and if I really need more power, I'll start my 10kw genset (at .4 gal/hr diesel or $2 per hour). My last point is RV depreciation, assuming you will sell your rig. In our current economic environment, you definitely will loose 20% the moment you pull off the lot, then about 12% the following year (on average). Who knows what the used market will be. You'll never recoup the cost of this premium system, just to be able to say, I can run my trailer - and my neighbor's trailer's - electric for days. If the sun shines...

[@bintohead3426]

Interesting video, glad you finally explained what those wires were for! One thing I'd be curious to know is how long it'd take to re-charge the battery pack just from solar. While the Nitro system looks interesting - running the truck at high idle to recharge the battery pack doesn't seem like an ideal scenario. If you're boondocking - that leaves either solar or some sort of generator to recharge the system.

[@jeremymanley7882]

Great video as always. The size of the system may seem excessive to some (and may very well be for most) but I would have the overkill tomorrow. It is a piece of mind for any full time RVer. As a travel nurse my wife and I have always the fear of our camper loosing power while we are away from it and our dog is in there. Not a major concern in winter as heat from furnace will still work even with no external power. In summer it is different completely. In a place like southern states, southern part of some states or Vegas this would be worth it if power is unreliable. The hybrid mode would be a must as stated. As stated in video the Nitro system coming to market would be a huge undertaking and the added cost of that should be expected to be substantial to offset cost of R&D and additional labor associated with fitting it to the particular application. I hope this does come to mass market as I will be happy to be in line for the system and would happily pay deposit to get on list.

[@ChangingLanes]

Thanks for the feeedback! Be sure to shoot Jon an email: changinglanesrv.com/vpsemail

[@davefields4591]

One heck of a system goes without saying. I totally agree the monitoring system needs to show solar and other peripheral sources and loads, much like Victrons Cerbo GX. I would think the Nitro system would be used only when traveling or solar’s not producing. Again with a system of that caliber A guy just needs to see what’s going on. That’s half the fun is just looking at the touchscreen every 30 minutes or so. I’m very jealous but still happy with my Victron 12v 3kw system on my Alliance 310 RL.

[@brianthompson9485]

I have a battery bank that big in a camper that's 22 feet hitch to bumper and have better features. If you're handy, I could duplicate that system (except for the nitro charging) with victron for $10,000. I've boondocked for weeks at a time while using my a/c. Unless it's cloudy, I never have utilize my generator.

[@lyfandeth]

And Mercedes, like other diesels makers using DEF catalyst converters, will tell you it is a very expensive repair ir you destroy the catalyst by extended low idle rpms--caused by your big alternator running slowly to put in that daily charge.

[@CharlesHood55]

Great video, concise explanation. One question, I know that all systems are different and each will have their own configuration but, what is the cost of the system that you have in your trailer. I can’t imagine this is an inexpensive solution to have installed.

[@phecksel]

LFP batteries are pretty durn safe. I'm not familiar with that chemistry. Maybe I'm in your 10% geek, I'm always looking at how my power is being distributed, but I also have a smaller system 1200w/600ah. I also have two power inlets, one the original, which I use when connected to 50a, and allow the solar/battery to maintain 12v systems. If I need power sharing, I connect to the front, where the MP II 2x is located and everything runs through the MP II. I use the internet connection to the VE all the time, especially forecast solar power generation. I've been know to start our main AC about an hour out from our destination, and will check to see how the batteries are doing. We went to Balloon Fiesta this year and stayed there for 11 days. Never once had to start the generator, but I did run fridge and water heater on propane. I typically went through 30% of battery capacity every night, and by 4pm ish, charged back up. WRT generator, I've used it exactly twice in the last 12 months. Most recent time, harvest host, 90+ outside, and I'm not going to get through the night with battery. Generator quit at 4am, and the batteries continued to keep AC going until we got up The system looks kewl, but that's an awful lot of coin to keep everything running. I'd prefer to spend a lot less and just carry a small generator. Also would hesitate to install their alternator on my truck. I have a LOT of alt capacity, so I could do a DC/DC convertor off of one upfitter switches in the F350. I know I like having the separate SCC's. How capable is the Volta SCC for over paneling? What are the voltage and current limits? One other comment, from my personal experience, push those solar panels all the way to the outside edge of the trailer. It gets them away from shadows in the morning and evening, and provides more room to walk and work on the roof equipment.

[@bradleyland]

NMC is what's in most EVs. LFP is what you find in most 12V automotive batteries because it is happy to take lots of abuse and can delivery very high current per cell. NMC has superior density, both respective to mass and volume. LFP can do the job, but NMC allows campers who want more energy crammed into the same space. Remember that campers' energy requirements will vary considerably based on climate and preferences. Nothing wrong with LFP if it meets your needs, but as someone who is planning on going the full-time route, and wants the flexibility to camp in a variety of places in 4-seasons, I'm really glad to see Volta delivering a NMC based system.

[@markstrovink3486]

More power flow information would be such an improvement. I have a Volta system from early 2019 and not being able to tell how much, or even if, the roof solar or portable solar is helping is very frustrating. Consecutive bright, sunny days and on a daily basis I'll see no change to SOC, or I might see 8%. Would love to see what solar is coming in! In 4 years, the only failure I've had with the Volta was it stopped charging from the Volta alternator: a cable had worked loose.

[@Tom-Fisherman]

I see so much complexity that has to be built into such a device and additional required safety measures and required component longevity. Unfortunately, the humongous costs to build and maintain the units long-term reliability -- and working serviceability, would make this redonkulously expensive and almost impossible to service when failures occur. I’m going to stick with Victron and a modular approach AND PROVEN RELIABILITY.

[@ronaldhensley8210]

Great overview Chad.. awesome system y’all are using. Was curious what the actual weight was compared to your battle born system.

[@jasonpatterson947]

What's up guys from Blue Ridge Ga......

[@bobbystephens3225]

That’s an awesome system but I think you would have to be a serious boondocker to justify the price and the nitro system wouldn’t be worth the ware and tear on your truck versus a generator that can be replaced cheaper and easier!Great job as usual Chad !!

[@ophirpass]

Future Headline: “Victron acquires start-up Volta…releases geek-friendly interface.” ($25k seems low)

[@tpaul340]

That's a really great all in one system, but for the price, all the internal components need to be serviceable/replaceable. Otherwise my preference is to build out a victron system for the same cost. I currently don't have that in my budget, I may start with one of the all in one's by EG4 in 48 volt, rack batteries added to my current solar for about 9k (Minus the truck alternator) will get me close to that production. All the current all in one units I've looked at are not serviceable, but under $2k.

[@davidoverholt251]

This would be looked at with full time RVers tht tow a 5th Wheel, or a Class 1 Trvel trailer! I am thinking the weight of the bateries may have a toll! Interesting to see how tech proceeds with the deliverables!

[@vangildermichael1767]

what a beast!! ONE QUESTION self-discharge?? how much, how fast?? If I charge this up (100%) and leave it in the garage for 6 months. What am I gonna come back to? (80%), (70%), (zero%). Or is this NEW technology super god-like and it will still be (100%). don't laugh. It 'could' happen, technically. And I gotta have BIG dreams.

[@Garth2011]

RV travel has gotten rather pricey over the past few years. As some have noted, space rental is now averaging around $60 per night and with the cost of fuels etc. the idea has become less interesting for a lot of folks even if they have no RV and/or tow vehicle payment, the cost to RV is now exceeding the cost of a Motel 6 stay per night and on its way to a house payment. That aside, it does seem to be a fair idea to go with such an idea for power however, I would want a generator of some type to take up the slack in the event of a power system failure. I would also opt to maintain LP gas features in the event of power loss issues such as the RV refrigerator, heat etc.

[@rogerkern]

Honestly Chad. I doubt you’d have crap installed. And then keep it. I’m sure it would be a great system now to break out the popcorn and enjoy.

[@FindingHorizons]

This is amazing! I'm planning to have a new Onan generator installed very soon, which is gonna cost around $7,000. That generator pales in comparison to this Volta system! If I understand correctly, your Volta system is charged when you are plugged into your truck, so it will charge as you're driving down the road. Your system is also charged via solar panels, right? How many solar panels do you have?

[@ChangingLanes]

Right now, we only have ~1300W on the roof.

[@FindingHorizons]

@@ChangingLanes how long does it take to fully charge the system with the solar panels?

[@Jimmy_Jim_Jim_1234]

I like it. I will look at this system for sure when my time comes. Especially the small battery vs capacity. As well as its expandable. But, the big advantage of a "Victron" type system is its user servicable. If the Solar charge controller goes out i can change it easy. Two questions...what will the Solar panel voltage need to be? And can you use any brand panels? Great vid thanks!

[@ChangingLanes]

Since this is just a prototype, I'm not sure what the solar input would handle on a production system. But, I will ask about the solar voltage in this system and update the blog or maybe have an update video.

[@Jimmy_Jim_Jim_1234]

@@ChangingLanes Thanks for the reply. I look forward to the update! Looks good though.

[@coopsrvadventures4836]

Love the system and would love to have one, but at that price they are completely out of my budget.

[@mikevinton7353]

How much does the system weight? Battery? Power manager? What is the battery foot print? Hell of a system!

[@ChangingLanes]

I'll find out and let you know Tuesday when we're not on the road.. 👍🏼 If it slips my mind, comment again and nudge me... I check for member comments almost every day. 😊

[@ChangingLanes]

I have this in my list of questions for Volta.. I'll be updating the blog post later this week.

[@billprewitt633]

Hay Chad, do you have to go through granddesign for this system or directly through Volta? As we all know, going through dealerships, there is always a markup . Thank you for the wonderful information, as always EXCELLENT !!! 😊

[@ChangingLanes]

This is currently just a prototype and not available via any chanel. GDRV has gone a different direction and this sytem will be available next year IF it goes to production.

[@dangeroustoman]

The biggest problem I see with these all in one units is that when it has problems it will shut everything down. That's why I like separate pieces.

[@christopherjackson210]

What are the possibilities of a “mini” system at a lower price point for us 30A folks?

[@DenverBMW]

curious, how many watt hours are you using per day when boondocking? Also, how much does the solar make per day? does the app show all this data?

[@markratliff7991]

Maybe I missed it but I assume there is some type of DC-DC converter to go from 51V to 12V to run your 12V systems in the RV. I think a lower kWH battery bank option along with an onboard generator (nix the Nitro option) Solar input along with "Power Share" and a "Cerbo GX" type monitoring system would be not only more financially appealing but perhaps a better competitor to a "Victron" system Awesome overview, been waiting for this video since you mentioned it. Take Care and Safe Travels

[@bradleyland]

Yep. The PDH handles conversion to/from all directions. That includes a 51VDC to 12VDC converter. It's not the easiest to find, but there's a specs page on the Volta PS website. voltapowersystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/VPS-PDH-50-Spec-Sheet-2022.12.1-v8.pdf

[@ChangingLanes]

Yes... The Volta Power System has a DC-DC converter built into the Power Distribution Hub to manage the 51V-12V conversion. However, the current iteration has trouble with the inrush current that the hydraulic pump (jacks and slides) use. So, we have a separate 12V battery (you can see it on the left inside the front bay) to handle that as a workaround. My understanding is, this should be fixed before it goes to production.

[@michaelfink2070]

25-30K seems like a steal to me. You can spend that much on a much more modest (both battery capacity as well as inverting load support) factory installed system.