Chani, Paul, and Princess Irulan

[@Hashbandocoot]

This conversation can still be had, chani and Jessica are still on arrakis.

[@kurikong2379]

Chani is probably already pregnant with the twins for the children of dune

[@azatgimadiev1955]

@@kurikong2379definitely not. She will get pregnant only after the spice diet because Irulan will poison her food to make her unable to make children

[@OluwademiladeOjo]

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[@purpledragons1146]

​@@kurikong2379They weren't born until 12 years after the first book

[@TheFFilipp]

She seems to be set on never coming back to Paul in part 2

[@isocrates0001]

AND....AND in the book Chani even asks Paul if she should leave him for the sake of the political alliance. And Paul puts his fingers to her lips (to shush her up) and tells her that Chani and Paul will always be together...

[@salamander337]

That sounds like a cheesy drama show. 😂

[@baller4378]

​@@salamander337absolutely hilarious imagining it

[@deProfundisAdAstra]

​@@salamander337it works much better in the book than it ever would on screen

[@rubaiyat300]

Sad only because he knows that's a lie. But a comforting one, even if he would have liked it otherwise.

[@s.novozhilov1856]

People need good images of absolute love and devotion in this age of egoism. Books Chani arc was a fairy tale for me. And this joy was taken from me by Nolan's teenager situationship 🫣

[@Its_Cannon]

Emperor Paul: New Rule, I get to marry 2 people.

[@enamweaknopahknop9661]

Pretty sure Paul foresaw that and basically say nah just to make his life harder.

[@DavidZh7]

Paul be like " I AM THE RULE !"

[@diegoborges1348]

​@@DavidZh7I AM THE ONE WHO POINTS THE WAY

[@evilemperorzurg9615]

The Fremen are totally ok with polygamy

[@LisaAnn777]

He should get another one too 😃👍

[@falkyrie5228]

"I should have married you..." - Duke Leto to Lady Jessica

[@farfaraway946]

😭😭 just thinking about it makes me sad

[@daniels7907]

Leto also should have taken House Atreides into exile since he *KNEW* that being reassigned to the fief of Arrakis was a part of a larger plot against his House. But instead he decided to accept the obvious conspiracy rather than the shame of fleeing the Imperium.

[@kukuc96]

@@daniels7907 He was banking on being able to build that alliance with the fremen in time. It wasn't an unreasonable plan, and without the Emperor sending in the Sardukaur, it could have worked.

[@daniels7907]

@@kukuc96 - That was a *HUGE* gamble, and in the end even Paul had to assume a religious role as their messiah, which, among other things, required actually living with a Fremen tribe in their sietch. Not just living in Arrakeen acting all aristocratic. The Fremen didn't even care when the conspiracy wiped out House Atreides. Understand that they had lived on Arrakis for millennia and had no love for the Imperium, the Landsraad, or CHOAM. They were bribing the Spacing Guild with Spice in exchange for keeping satellites out of orbit around Arrakis. Duke Leto made a mistake. He assumed that he could win the support of the Fremen quickly enough to respond to a trap that wasn't going to be long in coming. He was wrong. Had Paul not exploited the Bene Gesserit manipulation of Fremen religion (guided by his mother) then he wouldn't have gotten so far either.

[@omshah371]

@@daniels7907 you are correct.... i never understood why leto thought that a tribe full of hatred for their planet's occupier would just make an alliance with their new occupier

[@lorzon]

Don't forget that Paul also had a 3rd "wife" after he killed Jamis, he was honor-bound to take care of Jamis' mate and offspring, effectively becoming her new husband according to Fremen tradition. Her name was Harah.

[@jucxox]

Whoa

[@tremas3329]

He had the right(more like duty) to take her as wife or servant( and more like a head of household like Shadout Mapes was when Atreides first landed on Arrakis and less of a servant as we would think of it in most societies today). He chose as servant for 1 year and essentially became the Fremen version of a god-father to her children. She even points out that she ended up with Jamis through the same Fremen tradition as Paul ended up with her, and that Jamis treated her first son the same as the son Jamis had with her. He did have the option at the end of the year to take her as wife as well if they both chose and he still had a measure of responsibility for them all after that. The subtleties from the book are incredible and i love revisiting it every so often.

[@bluetears2]

⁠@@foodie_nightoshe never actually slept with any of his wives other than Channi tho, Harah basically lived as a maid, and Irulan advisor, wives only in name, and well there’s more to it after as well, but if it’ll spoil the story if I say more

[@peak_911]

Channi wanted simple life, there was no possibility of so called "life", channi wanted. He never loved any of his wives except Channi, never touched, never slept with any of them except Channi.@@foodie_nightos

[@gilgamesh6135]

I don’t think he actually married her. He set her free

[@LilFevre]

Love this line- an unexpected but killer outro. It gives Jessica a complete arc as she recognizes that Leto truly loved her, just as Paul truly loves Chani. The parallels!!

[@daniels7907]

Jessica was a Been Gesserit of unusual ability (owing to how close she was to the fruition of the breeding program). She already *knew* that Duke Leto loved her. That's why she disobeyed her orders to produce only daughters.

[@thalmoragent9344]

​@daniels7907 Wait, did she use her ways to Peer into his emotions or just asked him with the Voice, straight up?

[@daniels7907]

@@thalmoragent9344 - Contrary to what many people believe (mostly because of film adaptations, most especially Lynch's, plus the Kevin J Anderson novels) the Bene Gesserit *do not* possess empathic or telepathic powers. They fake it through their enhancement of their physical senses and training in psychology. It's basically glorified cold reading. Nor would she have used the Voice on him. The Bene Gesserit were actually very cautious about that because subjects could become resistant to the Voice over time if it was used on them too often. The Honored Matres would later discover this after the Scattering, which is why they developed sexual imprinting instead. The simple answer is that Jessica fell in love with Leto, and felt isolated from the Bene Gesserit (who had an odd lack of presence on Caladan given that Jessica and Paul represented such value pieces in their breeding program). So Jessica disobeyed her orders and gave Leto the male heir he wanted. She would eventually get around to producing a daughter (Alia), but not until Paul was around 15.

[@kevindownes9474]

@@daniels7907she’s the daughter of the Reverend Mother by, let’s say unfortunate circumstances, between her and the Baron. The Reverend Mother is probably filled with (underserved, but understandable) resentment towards her because of it, plus Jessica having a son put the nail in the coffin

[@daniels7907]

@@kevindownes9474 - That was never really a canon idea, although Herbert was prone to being inconsistent with his canon. For example, Paul would have had access to all of Baron Harkonnen's memories up to the time Jessica was conceived. Although some other writers have tried to position this as the Baron raping a Bene Gesserit, that is literally impossible. Their control over their own bodies was such that a Reverend Mother could easily bounce fatty like a basket ball. Likewise, the idea that Reverend Mother Mohiam was Jessica's mother did not come from Herbert. It certainly would have come up had it been true, since she was a female ancestor and thus not only Paul, but Jessica, Alia, Leto II and Ghanima would have *all* had access to Mohiam's memories. Yet nobody treats her as family. You would expect Mohiam to be a louder voice than the Baron in Alia's mind because Alia was always practicing her Bene Gesserit skills.

[@sentortv7816]

Robb Stark could have learnt from Paul Atreides

[@Nin13666]

Robb Stark is a fool

[@danisrusski6297]

Paul Atreides has a far superior support system - shown to have more trainers, teachers, and a far more capable mother all while having similar dads. Paul and Robb are both great strategists and leaders, but Paul is the far superior politician.

[@Paul_Sergeyev]

Jesus... Paul is literally "Robb Stark: the good ending"

[@MrJH101]

Tbf Robb Stark cant see nearly every outcome into the future and read into people’s souls, whereas Paul Atreides basically can at this point. If Robb Stark had those level of psychic powers, he’d have obtained better trainers, allies, advisors too while also being able to read which ones were thinking about betraying him before it could happen. Paul Atreides is just like Robb Stark, but with “godmode” turned on.

[@ThinkFitMind]

Why bring back awful memories

[@daniels7907]

Paul would subsequently treat Irulan with the same contempt that he treated his subjects. People tend to misunderstand Herbert's intent. Just because Paul is the protagonist doesn't mean he's not also a villain. It's just that his enemies are villains too.

[@CarolinaHernandez-bv1nh]

He didn’t treat her too badly. Not saying he wasn’t a villain but he didn’t trust her because he knew she was working with the Bene Gessit that wanted to control him. Example is that he knew she was giving Chani BC for her “infertility” and that she was doing it for that organization. But he did make her an advisor and when she persists in wanting a kid from him he says that he would consider it if she wasn’t a schemer and apologizes. He also said that she could take on other lovers but no kids. But I feel if she was nicer he would’ve let her have kids with another guy anyways.

[@daniels7907]

@@CarolinaHernandez-bv1nh - Are you kidding me?! Paul overthrew her father, forced her to marry him just to secure his claim to the throne, *murdered 61 BILLION people,* established a tyrannical theocracy that literally required people to *worship* him on pain of death, and he knew before he married her that she was connected to the Bene Gesserit! Oh, and the Bene Gesserit, specifically Reverend-Mother Mohiam, tried to *help* him at the beginning of the novel! But he decided to be a little crybaby about the test of humanity, which *all* BGs *have* to go through, and he received BG training so.... Paul was a hypocritical and petty little crybaby forever angry that everyone who opposed to him was *right* about the danger he posed! Even *he* would eventually figure this out after Chani died. The only thing Irulan owed him was a knife through his brain!

[@CarolinaHernandez-bv1nh]

@@daniels7907 okay was Irulan part of the 61 billion people? The subject here was that he treated her with contempt that he treated his subjects. (He didn’t treat her like he did to other people) Yes he knew she was part of it but also knew he needed to marry her but didn’t need to sleep with her. The Reverend-Mother Mohiam didn’t want to help him. But if she did I’m sure you can explain how. Just because he’s the bad guy doesn’t make her good. She wanted his genes so that they could control a messiah and rule through him as well.

[@daniels7907]

@@CarolinaHernandez-bv1nh - You're acting as if any of what you say excuses Paul's behavior. He married Irulan knowing upfront that he had absolutely *no* intention of treating her as a wife, or even treating her with any respect. She was effectively a *slave,* and he didn't maintain any pretense otherwise. He was essentially a bigamist since Chani was his primary wife in all but legality, whereas Irulan was merely there for show and to secure his claim to the throne. Try reading the novel, and not just watching one of the many screen adaptations that try to make Paul into a hero. Right at the beginning, Mohiam doesn't just administer the test of humanity that Paul was bitter about (I guess women really do handle the memory of pain better in the long term). Mohiam was *not* in charge of the conspiracy against House Atriedes nor was she happy about it. But with the Emperor, Baron Harkonnen, and the Guild in cahoots, there was nothing she could have done to prevent it any more than Duke Leto could. So, instead, she gives warning and orders Jessica to skip ahead with Paul's training so that he will have the Voice - which Mohiam reckons will help Paul survive what is coming for his House. Complaining about the BG eugenic breeding program is the height of hypocrisy on Paul's part. It's the *only* reason that he and most other Landsraad nobles possess the physical and mental superiority that they have. Without it, the nobility would have likely been overthrown by the common people millennia earlier!

[@CarolinaHernandez-bv1nh]

@@daniels7907 I did read the novel. yeah he made that very clear that he wasn’t going to treat her like a wife. Both she and him knew it was a political stunt. She knew this and so did literally everyone else. That doesn’t make her a slave. That’s like saying every queen and king and any ruler in history was a slave. He gave her the right to be with other men. He even said he would consider giving her a child if she didn’t have ties with the Bene Gessit. And considering she kept being adamant about having HIS child instead of simply having a child in general she probably didn’t want to have kids other than to restore her family’s power. Despite all this he still makes her an advisor in his council. I will say this again. I never said Paul is the hero. But that doesn’t mean he mistreat Irulan. Mohiam still wanted to control the messiah and was willing to throw Irulan under the bus and tried to force her to kill Chani’s children and if that failed Chani herself. Now there’s someone who genuinely mistreated Princess Irulan.

[@CuriousTinkering]

“Chani, in the second part of the book, kind of disappeared in Paul’s shadows. The character becomes less interesting,” Villeneuve said. “But I thought there was a strong opportunity there to create a character there who would give us a new perspective on Paul, in order to get closer to Frank Herbert’s intentions.”

[@selinawalsh9075]

This is why I think Chani was changed for the better, she becomes so much more of an interesting character and a great way to hammer in Frank's intention for Paul, and a good way to make sure what happened with Dune didn't happen again, people thinking Paul was a straight up hero.

[@CM-db5cg]

I apperciate what he was trying to do, but he still didn't hit the mark. He both wanted to have chani be her own distinct character AND use her as a vehicle to externalise pauls internal doubts about becoming a messiah and starting the interplanetary jihad. Those are very hard to reconcile. Also the qoute is kinda fuckin dumb. Chani is literally only in the second half of the book. Literally 50% of the book passes before Paul and Jessica meet Stilgars fremen while escaping the harkonnens, and the last 30% of Dune is super fucking dense. The film only gets around this by simplfying massively.

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

Why do modern directors always have this pretentious view of how original works _should_ have been? Frank Herbert made his intentions *_very_* clear when he wrote the books. Villeneuve simply disagrees and is cloaking his "modern audience" rewrites in an air of "improvement." Chani's character has been eviscerated.

[@selinawalsh9075]

@@Ki_Adi_Mundi Even Frank felt audiences didn't get the message of Dune, which was why Messiah even exists. Chani's changes have purpose for making that message clearer. And it's a common critique that Frank can't write women that well, especially considering Chani sort of faded into the background in the original. The changes allow her to stay strong as a character with a lot more depth.

[@Ki_Adi_Mundi]

@@selinawalsh9075 Your first sentence is a blatant myth that everyone with only a mere cursory understanding of Herbert constantly parrots, and it unfortunately invalidates any opinion you might have of the matter of alterations to the lore. You don't even know what you're talking about.

[@Lechuga1815]

It's meant to be a hollow consolation though. If you notice in the book that some of the fictional books are by Princess Irulan. So it's kind of a "history written by the victors" thing where Chani and Jessica will never be remembered as wives because Irulan has written their story.

[@arunakoyanbron8927]

This! Like sure, while the current timeline is happening, chani is the main focus for Paul. But that's where it ends. Decades into the future, she'll just be a casual mention in history pages as a concubine who gave birth to the emperor's kids and died. Irulan still reigned as his legal wife, and it'll be her name that will be recorded next to Paul's. Even more, she raised Paul's kids so she ended up taking the mother role becoming the prominent female in the family other than jessica. Atleast jessica lived long enough to raise Paul and have an active role enough to never be forgotten. In history, no body bothered to remember an emperor's favourite concubine, only the legal wife's name was recorded, all the way from Ottoman Empire to ancient Chinese dynasties.

[@Xhumed]

The histories are Irulan's *only consolation* which is why she writes so many. Jessica even points this out in the lines prior this speech. Jessica is pointing out "wife" is a meaningless title, because Chani is truely Paul's partner, and Irulan won't even bear heirs.

[@kraken12432]

well.. Leto II controlls the history and future and Jessica is remembered

[@stevet1396]

Not true, when you get past the first book. The first one is basically a story told by irulan... The others not so much. Like Paul and chani's twin children. And leto II called the god emperor. Irulans dynasty fades to nothing, no so for chani.

[@lv67890]

Irulian worked against Chani conceiving for Paul, but after Chani died giving birth irulian did an about face and dedicated her life to raising Paul’s children. Idk how realistic Herbert is at writing women.

[@KamilleBidanApologist]

Jeezus Jessica, did ya have to drag her that hard? “She’ll live less than a concubine” my word 😂

[@abigailgarcia3090]

Facts and Irulan hates Chani for it, in the books she even secretly force feeds Chani contraceptives, Chani is forced for leave to seek a remedy for her infertility and away from Irulan is how she manages to finally conceive her twins. However, the contraceptives that Irulan has been feeding Chani weaken her and she dies after or during childbirth, I can’t remember rn. Anyways, even after Chani is dead Paul still doesn’t want Irulan, even though she raises the children as her own, pauls love is and will always be Chani.

[@divineflu34567]

The most unbelievable part of irulan falling for Paul I am like wtf is going on here

[@abigailgarcia3090]

@@divineflu34567 what?

[@BboyKeny]

​@@divineflu34567Wasn't she already interested in Paul all the way at the start?

[@nemo99nemo83]

@@divineflu34567 Part interest part duty to her family. Even so she has Pauls name the Corino Bloodline as emperors could continue through her and if she and Paul had a legitimate son (which she can decide through Bene Geserit training) her son will become the legal next emperor while the children of Paul and Chani would be left out of succession.

[@peak_911]

nothing unbelievable, instead when he said "he will marry her", i knew it would eventually happen@@divineflu34567

[@desiintan4551]

This conversation make me feel so sad 😭

[@user-lu9bg4ll6v]

Why

[@DB20204]

It's also worth mentioning that Paul also never sleeps with Irulan, despite pressure to produce an heir with her. His loyalty in both mind and body remains with Chani. Definitely a quality to appreciate in a world that makes it acceptable for men to have multiple wives, but not the reverse.

[@divineflu34567]

And hurting the women he forced to marry him she didn't deserved the treatment although I appreciate their dynamic but Paul was an ass.

[@namedrop721]

Paul uses this to control Irulan, it’s less about him being head over heels with Chani, it’s about controlling the political ramifications of a powerful woman with a legit heir to protect Bro grew up with Jessica, imagine the fucking lengths Irulan would go to up to and assasinating him

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

But Paul offerred his seed, after FINALLY he saw how dangerous the situations are after he insulted Irulan when she speak of it and trying to let him know. But even with BG refusal, why dont he just gave it to irulan and let her have her child? (Not his, because we all know Paul will never acknowledge child from Irulan). Bastard could have the advantage and not making himself torturing innocent person in the scheme. No matter how Irulan scheme, she never involved in the destruction of house atreides and also BG did not. Why is Villenueve make it so?

[@DB20204]

@@nurlindafsihotang49 Paul offered his seed such that Irulan's pregnancy would be via in vitro fertilization, so that they would never be intimate together. Artificial insemination goes against what the BG believe is the best method of impregnation, seems that it interferes with the mystical process of crossing bloodlines, etc. Also, any child between Paul and Irulan wouldn't be a bastard. Their child would be seen as more legitimate than a child between Paul and Chani. Irulan didn't scheme against House Atreides in the Villenueve film. She uncovered the plot cooked up by the BG and fed to her father after the fact. In the books, the BG were very much scheming and meddling with House Atreides, and with Paul after the events of the first book.

[@sornyeilevente973]

​@@divineflu34567considering she was doing everything short of murder to force Paul to bang her, she kinda did.

[@AlchemistDragonChris]

Wish this was in the movie

[@katelynngraham2738]

Me to but I think villenivue didn’t have enough time to show Paul as the anti hero / hero Paul is. So instead he had to use the female characters to show the dichotomy of Paul. Just like how he made stilgar an absolute b*tch for Paul. He wanted to stay true to Herbert’s intentions of Paul not being the classic messiah without of it being 6 movies. I kinda hate it kinda get it.

[@notsure6222]

@@katelynngraham2738I don't get how hes an anti hero in the books either (i've not yet read them). From what I hear he does what he needs to to survive and help people not be oppressed by the emperor..

[@reganharvan]

​@@notsure6222spoiler alert, but by doing so, he then kills about 80 billions of people in the holy war he started which is a really great number considering that the previous emperor probably didnt kill that much. As so you kinda have to ask yourself, should I root for this man? or should i not?

[@notsure6222]

​@@reganharvanI was already told this, but I was also told that Leto creates a 9000 year peace, limits the spacing guilds capabilities by limiting spice and does indeed bring a sort of green heaven to Arrakis. You don't do that without a certain amount of push back which will obviously result in a lot of death. I'm not saying hes the stereotypical hero, but I don't think the author did enough to make him look like an anti hero either. They all lived in a weird world where tech is forbidden but killing someone ahead of time due to a vision of them POSSIBLY hurting you is allowed... I'd be a menace too given that power and foresight, you know.

[@TheFireGiver]

I just finished the first book and I strongly disagree. The movie version treats chani more like a human being. She didn't grow up in the political world. She wouldn't so easily submit to that world's morally bankrupt traditions.

[@behydrated]

"I will always love you....until my last breath"

[@zachmcintyre8987]

I also love how they say that Irulan will have plenty of time to write, when throughout the whole book many of the chapters begin with selections of Irulans writing on Maud’Dib. That cracked me up when I first read it

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

"She only have her writing to keep her warm" Jessica. Ooooh.....i hated Dune so much....

[@jacushman]

It's wild to think Frank Herbert came up for the idea for Dune while high AF on 🍄

[@arpansaha2111]

It's pretty clear once you read the other books

[@LololoriShow]

he was writing about what occurs OUTSIDE OF THIS PRISON SIMULATION. MOST OF IT IS TRUE. being high on shrums could be true because he's bored in this simulation ..but the stories of dune AND warhammer based on life outside of our nest in the simulation

[@cameronneal932]

Tbh in the first one Chani had her calming dialogue about Arrakis but in the 3rd one this could be the first line

[@DefecTec]

Hope they have this in the third movie

[@araisikewai]

Jesicca's role as concubine was not mentioned once in the movie. That was one of the most vital information from the banquette scene and they have decided to not include that scene. I doubt they would include any mention of concubine at this point.

[@DefecTec]

@@araisikewai They actually do mention it in the movie since Leto says to Jessica ‘I should’ve married you’. Subtle but mentioned

[@theemperor1379]

​@@araisikewai they did mention that she was a concubine. Twice in the first film.

[@masonhancock5350]

What will be left? They ruined it already with stupid changes. Messiah is about as likely to get made as a remake of Lawrence of Arabia. It‘s canceled

[@DefecTec]

@@masonhancock5350 I agree I didn’t like the changes, nothing is going to be pitch perfect, I would’ve liked to see the toddler kill her grandfather the Baron, but the movie is still phenomenal, and I think the third will be great

[@MachoMan_Vert]

I personally think that the way movie Chani reacted was more realistic and in character for her movie self.

[@ZombieSlayerTakashi]

True... hopefully, they get back together in DM.

[@alexandruneamu4144]

Realistically, the morality we have in this reality in the morality they have in the reality described in books is totally different.

[@Numeral0]

I fear that could make up a new Chani deffrent than the books and then ruin things up

[@TtotheCizzel]

Chani is Fremen so her reaction in the movie doesn't really make sense, they respect strength above all else and Paul showed he was the strongest man in the universe

[@TtotheCizzel]

@@Numeral0 that's exactly whats going to happen. Girl Power is more important then great literature

[@christopherkerns639]

A very very pivotal line that was omitted!

[@evilemperorzurg9615]

They wanted Chani to be a strong independent woman. It’s the biggest change from the movie and it undercuts key themes and motivations from both Dune and Dune Messiah.

[@Shireke01]

​@@evilemperorzurg9615 bro hates women with agency. Chani can still be told as much in Messiah.

[@evilemperorzurg9615]

@@Shireke01 a woman can have agency without being a self centered irrational fool.

[@amber88565]

Chani in the books is actually pretty disappointing. She’s literally just there to be a soundboard for Paul’s emotions and to have his children and to keep him grounded. She has no purpose outside of Paul, she’s not a fully formed character. She’s just there for Paul. I like movie Chani better.

[@christopherkerns639]

@@evilemperorzurg9615 remind me again who wrote this book? Oh yeah, Frank Herbert not Denis Villanueva! Would it be fair to change Gone With The Wind and have it take place in Detroit and change the war to Vietnam! But those changes would compromise the story and the continuity! It is a book! It is the script, any failure to follow it makes it difficult and different!

[@Captainkebbles1392]

Chani is WAY better than in movies. She saw him for the monster he is

[@jormungandr4690]

1) He isnt a monster just not a real messiah 2)She doesnt work as a character, because she cant love him with all her heart and think he is a "monster" as you say. That is just bad writing.

[@arpansaha2111]

​@@jormungandr4690monster is exactly what one would call someone who killed 61 billion people

[@user-lu9bg4ll6v]

@@jormungandr4690 her character in the movie is better written than the books. Only Incels are mad

[@user-lu9bg4ll6v]

@@jormungandr4690chani Id perfect in the movies

[@Mina-nn1ou]

​@@jormungandr4690you can love someone and then see that they're a terrible person and then back off. Women don't just become blind in love, especially not the women who fight alongside men. She has always been rebellious, she doesn't believe in religious bs and she doesn't really listen to Stillgar either. It's human nature to not just throw away their whole personality just because they love that one person. Ofc when we love someone, we make adjustments but the seriousness and level of situation that needs adjustments to be made, matters too. I mean you wouldn't stay with a woman you love truly, if she cheats on you right? And it's such a small issue compared to your partner turning into a whole ahh villain

[@ashramjathan4258]

In Dune 2000, This speech was the closing voiceover，its really used impactfuly there

[@xenndax]

It's really weird having Will Graham talk to me about Dune lore...

[@82danielrider]

"When is a gift not a gift?"...that´s for sure an amazing revenge over the emperor

[@SanguineSaint21]

Literally the last line of the first book, and one of my favorites. It reiterates that all along it hasn't been Paul that set these events into motion, but his mother and the Bene Gesserit before her. It really captures how the men at the foreground of history are often just the mask of power, and that the women behind the scenes are just as, if not even more, influential in bringing about change.

[@redwitch12]

Current thought process is that women can only be strong characters and hold power if they're portrayed as being in the forefront, not moving behind the scenes. :/

[@Thewhiteandorange]

@@redwitch12 women can do both, love. move on.

[@Thewhiteandorange]

loved the politics behind drinking the water of life, which is "deadly" to men yet Paul survives. Reminiscent to real world myths like "woman's brain is too small for math", "body too weak for sports". Tales that controlled narratives and power dynamics.

[@syl3317]

Poor irulan...feel bad for her

[@rubaiyat300]

She...gets up to stuff, though she spends the rest of her life making up for it.

[@Mkrause762]

She sucks but so does dune messiah so I don’t really remember what she did

[@divineflu34567]

​@@rubaiyat300her only fault being daughter of a empire whom Paul hates

[@butchs.4239]

@@divineflu34567 Paul's enmity towards House Corrino was well earned.

[@peak_911]

*SPOILER* You will probably regret feeling sorry for her, she literally killed Chani because she was feeling "jealous."

[@cdanhowell]

I was sad this wasn’t maintained. Always loved this particular aspect of their relationship.

[@hansiparam7960]

Spoiler ALERT - From chani's pov, paul loves her as much as she loves him and she understands his path. And chani is the only redeeming point in Paul's life. When she dies, he goes into desert. That was it, for him at that point.

[@sexbuffet]

It's great how you just casually spoil that part as if everyone's meant to have read the books already. Some of us only discovered them later on (yea what a shock!). You definitely offend people a lot in your day to day life and you're often confused as to why.

[@hansiparam7960]

​@@sexbuffet Didn't strike my mind as I am not in a place/location where others think about me and my feelings and vice versa for trivial things. I think cultures differ. Wow. Offending like this. This is an eye opener for me. I will be mindful of this from next time. Thank you for enlightening me. And sorry for the spoiler.

[@harrisondejoux8520]

Chani might be merely a pleasure thing by name. But she will forever have Pauls heart, soul and ears. That is no small amount of power and influence.

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

While it happens under other woman pain humiliation huh? And people think this is romantic?

[@MysonEggAndHisbrotherCheese]

​@@nurlindafsihotang49 Exactly! I can't believe how people romanticise other woman's pain and this unwanted, polygamous relationships that hurts most women

[@shroomsoap]

Chani's choice to leave Paul in the movies make the moment more meaningful compared to the books as it shows what Frank Herbert wants to convey which is blind faith/blindly following is bad which Herbert regret since he put a lot of situation in the book where Paul can be misinterpreted as a hero instead of a dictator by the readers

[@simsandsurgery1]

This was legitimately one of my favorite passages in the book. It gave me goosebumps.

[@spicysith9627]

History still call them concubines.

[@SlideRSB]

This was shot for the 1984 movie but was cut.

[@maekanikhan]

The 2000 miniseries did keep that line at the end, with Lady Jessica speaking in a voice-over as Paul and Chani walk out into the desert together. I think it should have been kept in this movie as well.

[@dasgill4761]

In the book Chani is next level. She just wants to kill everything

[@gracecalis5421]

My gripe with Chani in the first book was finally amended. She comes from a culture of warriors and survivors that treats men and women equally, it made no sense how easily she subjugates herself to Paul and devolves her character into being nothing more than his concubine. It also made no sense that of the millions of Fremen, not a single one resisted Paul's claim as their messiah. There undoubtedly would have been dissidents, it's just a statistical inevitability when talking about numbers in the tens of millions. And again, they rectified that with Chani's character.

[@m_d1905]

The Missionia Protective was quite powerful. After decades of harsh rule by the Harkonnans they were ripe for a messiah. There were definitely dissidents among the Fremen. Paul was betrayed by some in later books. His Fedakin would crush dissent when they found it as well.

[@enriquepelenato4956]

In the book Chani is Kyne's daughter, the most important thing to both of them and all Fremen is that the Lisan Al Gaib will come and transform the planet into a green paradise so they they won't have to suffer anymore, like a water utopia.... but in the movie Chani's biggest issue is that the Mahdi is a white boy... which is realistic, and in the book many people attempt to assassinate Paul, but they're dispatched by Chani, because Herbert's Chani is smart enough to put her own qualms aside for the benefit of her people and Arrakis.. Herbert's Chani -Smart fierce warrior who can see the bigger picture and actually starts to feel sorry for Irulan. Villeneuve's Chani -Mocks religious Fremen, xenophobic, walks out on Paul even though his marriage alliance to Irulan will guarantee Landsraad will stay away from Arrakis allowing them to terraform it.

[@percyross7612]

This is how I felt too. Maybe back in the 60s women could be contented with being remembered as wives, but this is the 2020s. Being told that history will remember you as a wife is not the privilege too many men in this comment section seem to think it is. Imagine if the genders were reversed. Most men would be unsatisfied at just being remembered as a husband (especially if the woman married another man in reality). And yet they expect women to be satisfied with the same conclusion? Ridiculous. I’m still hoping Chani will eventually reunite with Paul, as their children are important to the plot. But I’m glad they had her rightfully furious at being spurned by him, even if it is what he needs to do.

[@konekillerking]

Re read the first book. So many challenged Paul that Chani started requiring challengers to fight her first. Her reasoning was the challengers were not worthy of challenging Paul, especially if they couldn’t defeat her, and many wound not challenge knowing that they might die at her hand first.

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

No they not. Freemen treated their woman except the naibs, sayyadinas and freemen mother reverend as bad as the imperium did.

[@Armageddon2077]

I was sad that they decided, like the 1980s version, to leave out any mention of Chani and Paul's child

[@nathanblanck9566]

I was so interested to see how Denis rewrote Chani, but I’m unsure how he will adapt her not wanting to be with Paul in the third movie cuz like, it’s kinda important😭

[@mindymmk]

She can have the twins and still not trust him completely...or deceive her into forgiving him

[@maxi1ification]

Paul did very explicitly say he foresaw her estrangement from him, but also that she'd eventually come around and they'd get back together. And considering he's the Kwisatz Haderach, it is not a matter of if, but when and how.

[@edwinvillalobos7159]

@@maxi1ificationand either way his line in the book was a lie, because I think by then he knew chani would eventually die, so while the omission from the movie kind of takes away from her character, all in all, not really

[@Irfan87]

Its 2024 Hollywood. No way they would have kept it in the movie. No way they would make Chani as accepting. I can almost guarantee in the third movie, Chani chastises Paul for it before finally accepting that it's just a political move.

[@kendobc]

@@Irfan87 And this makes more sense in the culture. Where women and men fight along side each other and are equals. She is just not taking shit from Paul like she wouldn't take shit from Stilgar. And in the movie she is firmly anti-religious/prophecy. So the change makes sense in this context.

[@mariebrock6716]

I haven't read the books so I don't have the perspective of fans who have. As someone who has only seen the recent movies, I LOVE that Chani is angry with Paul. He made promises to her, and he broke them. Her anger is justified, and it also helps us as the audience see that what he's doing is selfish and not a benefit to all.

[@mucefitadonelly9457]

It made the movie like a soap opera, movie chani and her stooopeed reaction riuned it for me.

[@maitotechlab9035]

You should watch the older movies and the children of dune trilogy to understand more about it. Politics and love are very diferent things.

[@derek96720]

What promise did he break? He literally told her what would happen if they went south and she STILL wanted him to go. She's a pouty girl boss in the movie who's nothing like in the books.

[@brotherjohnnyxXxX]

Paul left Chani in the dark when it comes to the decisions he ended up making, so her reactions are entirely justified. Skeptic Chani loves Paul deeply and hence rejects the religious fanaticism that surrounds him.

[@maitotechlab9035]

@@brotherjohnnyxXxX paul saw the narrow way to "to paradise", hes decisions were made specifically because of this narrow way forward. "Marying" the emperor daughter is a diplomatic move and has nothing to do with love, Chani just dont understand this at this moment but paul already know that she will not only acept it, but aprove that this is the right move. Just as his mother did with his father.

[@ty814]

This scene needed in the movie. It was tge true narrative to move forward

[@alexanderkenway]

In the book, Paul makes LIGHT work of Feyd

[@JRSofty]

This is my only real peeve with this great adaptation of this book. The movie is so good and the few discrepancies that existed I can absolutely live with, but the ending had me furious.

[@kendobc]

I mean Frank Herbert was a flawed man. So I can understand some of the changes that were made. I have been rereading some of the books from my youth, damn some of those authors were...well they had some messed up ideas of society (racist, sexist, homophobic, etc). I was just too young to really understand it, and when I was younger there was MUCH less discourse about those subjects. The original books are still there for people to read and enjoy if they wish it.

[@cmdrfunk]

@@kendobc Or maybe you have a messed up view of society and will look dumb in 50 years

[@cmdrfunk]

@@kendobc Or maybe you have a messed up view of society and will look dumb in 50 years

[@user-lu9bg4ll6v]

@@kendobcthank you! We are in 2924 we don’t need another white saviour movie. Well done Dennis for giving chani agency especially as the fremen are people of colour

[@KraziEyevin]

​@user-lu9bg4ll6v maybe don't adapt a book if you don't like the contents? Just make a new story instead of undermining legitimately strong female characters in an effort to be more modern.

[@hypnometal]

And yet in the latest movie, they leave Chani hanging, and she storms off as if she gets spurned for Paul to be with Irulan exclusively. Hopefully Denis Villenevue will rectify that oversight in Dune Messiah.

[@Iploac]

In the book Chani tells paul to marry the princess unlike how in the movie it was all Paul's decision. And even tells him to show her the way of love and give her an offspring but Paul outright denies her.

[@divineflu34567]

Sad part of it both chani and irulan suffers and irulan more because she literally had nothing in this whole power game.

[@MysonEggAndHisbrotherCheese]

Paul is such an *ss

[@MysonEggAndHisbrotherCheese]

Book one is definitely not realistic, it's more like a man's fantasy of ideal woman lol

[@jdohn3951]

Chani's first child dies from the plotters off rip and stands by Paul for the rest of Messiah

[@felipemorales4901]

And also we never see Harah, Paul’s first wife, inherited after he kills Jamis. In Dune Messiah it’s mentioned that Harah is Paul’s favorite wife.

[@IJNAzooma]

Personally, I enjoy the change made to Chani. It's nice to see someone on Paul's side who doesn't absolutely glaze tf out of him, even better that it's his love interest, and it makes perfect sense that she can't come to terms with it since royalty is non-existent among the Fremen in the traditional sense.

[@jayantasarkar2532]

That's the problem, you are judging the scenario by our reality. Our times and our sense of righteousness here on Earth. The reality of the Dune universe is vastly different. Above everything, the Fremen respect is strength, and Paul showed the ultimate strength. Therefore Chani as a Fremen should have respected that completely, why and most importantly how could she behave like a 21st century Earthling, who suddenly becomes a SJW?

[@IJNAzooma]

@jayantasarkar2532 I also don't care lmao, allies with conflicting beliefs are infinitely more interesting than a gang of yes-men.

[@jayantasarkar2532]

@@IJNAzooma You are missing the point, a person doesn't completely behave contrasting his/ her core values, just to make matters interesting.

[@divineflu34567]

​​@@jayantasarkar2532uhm her culture is literally fighters who love and die for one it's not 21st century earthling it's the warriors spirit of loyalty which is old.

[@Xerxes2005]

@@jayantasarkar2532 I believe Chani (in that movie) would still respect strength, but still be disgusted by Paul. Chani wanted a free Arrakis ruled by Fremen lead by Fremen. She thought Paul would do that. Instead, Paul used the Fremen to install himself as Emperor, keeping the Fremen subservient to the Empire as his new Sardaukars.

[@Pr8hm]

Uhh..The last page of story

[@paulok4267]

YES!!! THANK YOU! That is the most important and last line of the book.

[@accolade8060]

A version of this line actually acted as an excellent closing to the Dune miniseries.

[@15_muhammadkhoirurrizqi93]

When MIL got your back

[@blueroninstudios]

Sort of like poetry, you know? They rhyme." 😏

[@mowgli6345]

Ladies and gentlemen, this his how you convince your side chick she's special.

[@MysonEggAndHisbrotherCheese]

Eww

[@kybalion5561]

The ending lines are underrated. Would’ve been nice to see it in the movie

[@MissSunTonic]

Imo this will be part of the beginning of Dune Messiah, Jessica telling Chani to calm down and this

[@cheshirekat8273]

In the book, Chani doesn't turn into a YA, love-struck, hormonal teenager... Her first priority is Arrakis and saving the Fremen from oppression. She also understand intergalactic politics. Even if it hurts her like hell, she understand what's happening and why. She also knows that Paul truly loves her. She doesn't run away, all butthurt.

[@enriquepelenato4956]

Yeah it's funny how Villeneuve considers himself a Feminist, yet he made the all the badass female chicks caricatures of their book versions... Jessica was another I wasn't happy with the change. By the end of the book she is done with her role as Sayadina and leaves to Caladan. Chani understands the bigger picture because she understands this is their people's only chance and dream come true. In Villeneuve's Jessica is possessed, and Chani is a xenophobe who mocks fellow Fremen (even though she has a New York accent, she would be the one who was mocked).

[@MysonEggAndHisbrotherCheese]

A true male fantasy yes, real women never like that guys, history is full of women who killed their rivals because of jealousy and sometimes they even organised the murder of their husbands to have absolute power themselves

[@williampounds5191]

Jessica is doing what we call huffing the copium.

[@manny9323]

I think it was a great decision to return the agency of this situation to Chani. Sure she can’t change what happened and didn’t get a say in it, but her reaction is not dictated by Paul and Jessica. The film closing on her heartbreak-yet leaving the door open for continuity in Messiah-was a great revision.

[@danteabaddon]

"History will call us wives." - Said the concubine xD

[@daesgatling1345]

who abandoned her kids and fucked off to live in comfort while her son murdered billions.

[@crimsoncrusader4829]

History doesn't care about the wife of the current emperor, it cares about the mother of the next.

[@vickytaum]

Can someone who read the books help me with something? I understand the political marriage as a concept, but if the other houses already said they don't recognise his legitimacy as new emperor and if he's going to fight them anyway, what weight does a marriage with Irulan still holds?

[@EriTheCat88]

His marriage gives him emperor under law, so basically the logic behind it is, I am emperor by law now because I am marrying the successor so now yall gotta abide by that

[@IronTauru]

Well if I remember correctly they do recognize his claim to the throne. This mainly because he forced them to when he threatened to destroy all the spice and its origin. In the movie they ignore his threats which doesn't make sense because he pretty much hold the whole universe hostage with it. He probably could do this without her hand in marriage but by marrying her he became the emperor according to their own rules making it impossible to deny it to the people.

[@vickytaum]

@@EriTheCat88 But that's my point, I get the initial logic of it, but at least by the end of the movie, the other houses already informed that they won't agree to that and a war will happen regardless. I understand the initial urge to try to do it "the right way", but if it will be guns ablaze no matter what, why follow through with this marriage? What does he gain from it?

[@EriTheCat88]

@@vickytaum what iron said

[@vickytaum]

@@IronTauru ok that makes more sense, but actually creates another question. If they accept his claim in the books, he still goes to war with them?

[@xamalion7334]

This dialogue is included in the 2000 mini series at the very end.

[@samQu8y]

Duke Leto Atreides when he sensed an eminent threat on him and his family, regretted he didn't marry Jessica and thought he would spend more time with her little he knew he would be betrayed from the people he trusted !

[@midknight198]

I love the reason why they removed this from the movie too. One of the "creative freedom" that has good reasons and implications

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

Just dennis cannot stomach the backlash😂

[@mucefitadonelly9457]

Chani was never a main character

[@amber88565]

To be honest, she was never a fully formed character either she was poorly developed even as a side character. Stilgar or Liet-Kynes had more depth if you want to compare a fully developed side character when looking at Chani.

[@mochalotte4702]

People overhyped her character’s presence because zendaya is playing her and zendaya always plays big main character roles

[@isaiahbaah515]

Ngl paul getting stabbed twice and stomping his feet to demand a kiss on ring was 🔥

[@LutherGunter]

Wow, this is amazing content!

[@Sunshine-np8gq]

Such a cruel thing to do to Irulan, she did not deserve that at all.

[@powrr]

She’s a Bene Gesserit puppet

[@powrr]

She also protects her father

[@Sunshine-np8gq]

@@powrr so because she was born to the emperor and educated by the Bebe Gesserit you think it’s ok to use and humiliate her? This goes to show that Paul is a false prophet one that uses his power and abilities for his own benefit. Hurt others use others let the people you claim to set free die at your will. Try to assert yourself in a system by not marrying the one you love marrying some you don’t love in order to assert yourself in to a system that you disband. Oh and to top it off look on as the women you claim to love die as a direct result of your actions. Irulan raises the children of Paul and Chani while Jessica goes off world and while Paul’s sister dealing with her issues because mom drank a powerful toxic poison that totally screwed her is busy running things in to the ground.

[@Mcherri]

As much as it cruel she is just a puppet for the bene gesserit and protecting her father knowing what he did to Paul’s house. Paul I believe knew this and had no intention of wanting any children with irulan so none with her blood sits the throne at least not until later with her nephew and it’s only Paul’s children with chani with the claim I believe this is what Paul always wanted he may not have married chani and gave her that right but he made damn sure his children with chani had more right and claim to the throne than any other children he may have had. Not to mention Paul loved chani so much he wouldn’t change his mind or comprise with irulan.

[@Sunshine-np8gq]

@@Mcherri he forced her to marry him. Just because he loves Chani dose not mean it’s perfectly fine to force another woman with the birthright she was born into to be used and to never feel any affection. It’s actually very sick. As this is a fictional story I will say it again I feel sorry for Irulan and I feel sorry for Chanii. Paul didn’t want the emperor’s line to be in control. He really could have put an end to that and married Chani. All he had to do was Seagrave the power and make his own rule. No instead Paul the false prophet was self serving at the expense of everyone who followed him along with his mother. There was absolutely no need to do that to Irulan.

[@AngelSaintCloud]

I swear this totally threw me for a trip because Paul gets stabbed like three or four f****** times and then he stabs the other dude like once and he dies and not only that he lets go of the blade. Paul is literally space jesus within the context of " what if Christianity was created by rich people to give hope to people stranded in the desert after they flee the oil fields for independence."

[@philmienus2382]

Paul has bene jeseret powers. He probabaly intentionaly took non lethal damages and slightly dodge a hit from vital parts to get feyds guard down. There is also the posibility that he slightly moved his organs to dodge a hit on said vital parts

[@yeageristforlife7619]

Paul stab the other guy multiple times...did you even watch the movie properly?

[@GlogglingLG]

Pretty accurate to Christianity anyway EXECPT for the desert and oil fields but instead hope for after life bc humans are scaredy cats

[@Tay-tt2gy]

I interpreted that as Paul using his precognition to know where to stab to be most lethal and where to get stabbed to not die.

[@philmienus2382]

@@Tay-tt2gy same

[@rosecity_chris]

2 of the baddest in the galaxy

[@uneekunique8052]

Chani will turn heel now

[@Acast009]

This was an excellent departure from the books and I hope they continue in this path in beginning of next - the look in her eyes of being stabbed in her heart essentially while waiting for the Sand work was so good.

[@132karissanelson]

This bit with Irulan really turned Paul from an anti-hero to an outright villain. Even Irulan feeding Chani contraceptives seems justified to me. Paul not only took away Irulans throne (which it would have become) but took her chance at a love match, or at least match based on respect and children away from her. I really hated Chani and Paul because of this.

[@NaatClark]

The throne was going to end up either her future husbands(who ever her father chose for her), her future sons, or to her oldest nephew Farad'n. It was never going to be her throne.

[@akuapipim8219]

​@@NaatClark To add to this, she eventually fell in love with Paul

[@peak_911]

Lmao what, so she killed 'chani' and you blame chani? Bruh what.

[@peak_911]

she chose those decisions, she had to face consequences@@NaatClark

[@NaatClark]

@@peak_911 Irulan chose to be born to the parents she was born to? That's wild man can you teach me how to do that? I want billionaire parents my next go around

[@philmccavity]

No tenderness, just a monthly "ceremony", blessed be the fruit.

[@OGA103]

Paul knows what he's doing. He said she will come to see.

[@dankblissey6162]

I feel its better that Chani was upset and left. It makes it more clear to people how this wasnt a good ending and was in fact tragic, and it left better to have Chani be upset that her love has become the one thing they both wished he wouldn't befome. Though im curious what they would do for a third film.

[@KraziEyevin]

Idk, it really undercuts her character. She's supposed to be a strong willed Fremen, but she can't stand up to an empress even when she knows it's what's best for her people, the people she claims she's fighting for.

[@dankblissey6162]

@@KraziEyevin what? Maybe I've misunderstood you, but are you suggesting that following Paul is what's best for her people? The whole point is that this was a tragic cautionary tale on Messiah figures and unquestionable faith in leaders. By the end, Chani is essentially the only Fremen who hasn't bought into the brainwashing. Her leaving makes sense given that she said she would remain with Paul so long as he remained who he is, which he didn't. Her love became a genocidal leader of her people despite constantly saying this was the one thing he didn't want to happen. She left because she is strong willed, she hasn't changed her belief that the prophecy is just there to control the Fremen

[@gagewalker770]

No wonder jrr toilken dissed this shii😂

[@patrickkinnear8625]

I think it had more to do with the fact that dune is an explicit criticism of messianic figures, while Tolkien was a devote catholic.

[@upiknguk]

when rautha call chani pet...paul is silent not mad...now we know what paul harkonen attreides will be...

[@carolbriscoe9337]

I was hoping to hear Jessica say the words to Channi. Another moment Denis denied us

[@johnrivers3813]

I'm trying to think of a moment in time where a concubine was considered a wife and I can't think of any. Maybe that's the point?

[@velcro-is-a-rip-off]

What? I mean they produced heirs? What's your point.

[@johnrivers3813]

​@@velcro-is-a-rip-off I'm asking if there's any real life case scenarios where that statement of "we are concubines but history will call us wives" is true. I can't think of any but I'm also not a historian so I am fairly ignorant on the topic

[@johnrivers3813]

Yes I know they have some commonalities like birthing heirs but the difference between a concubine and an empress is massive. A concubine cannot rule a country in place of an emperor.

[@anlmaral1762]

Ottoman Emperors had concubines and if they were valued enough by the emperors such as Hurrem Sultan, wife of Suleiman the Magnificent, they would sometimes officially wed them or would consider them their wife

[@astralax]

​@@johnrivers3813Wu Zetian would like a word.

[@Abrokensword]

Movie Chani is much more well rounded than book Chani who was just a starry eyed follower from the outset. My only problem is that Paul tells Chani if we go south I will have to do terrible things, and I will lose you, to which she replies "you will never lose me". And then they go south, and she immediately turns her back on him after he awakens from his near deth experience and begins to do exactly what he said he would have to do.

[@zachanator2011]

I think that's point of people's disdain for the change in her character, nobody is saying she can't disagree but she still supports him because she understands his duty, in the movie she's just whiny little girl

[@user-nz7lx8yq6m]

Thats an "OOF" for Chani

[@minhduong1484]

The book explains other political reasons more in detail. Another reason to marry Irulan is that Paul is keeping her hostage as an insurance against retaliation from the Emperor. As the Emperor's only child, his bloodline ends with her and he cannot risk her death.

[@Morfe02]

You are good and bad Irulan is one i think from 4 daughters (so maybe is important as hostage because is the eldest and smartest from the 4) Plus one of the sisters of Irulan force Jessica to train his son and that son becomes the male concubine for the daughter of Paul 👍

[@theryman4124]

I like the change they did in the movie with her just leaving into the desert. More fitting with her portrayal in the films and leaves a bit of mystery for book fans in the next movie

[@KraziEyevin]

Really? I thought it went against everything Fremen culture teaches, and seriously undercuts her strength of will as a character. She can't stand up to the princess and flees, she would be a disgrace to the Fremen.

[@TheFireGiver]

Just finished the 1st book. The movie version is better imo. Its a more complicated ending that shows the moral corruption of the entire fedual system. Its also a more realistic response from chani. She dodnt grow up with this strange feudal system. She wouldn't just accept it like she did in the book.

[@jormungandr4690]

Completely disagree. They establish behavior of Fremen and everyone else, but then Chanis behavior is like that of 21century woman. it is as if she got teleported into their societies . Makes 0 sense

[@KraziEyevin]

​@@jormungandr4690exactly, her culture respects strength above all else, and she brooks no insult, so what does she do when challenged? Runs away. Makes no sense for her character, I had to suppress my laughter in the theater.

[@AM-yw4ck]

Powerful line

[@zasharadouglas770]

Woah, I got chills

[@addietatwawadi8953]

Seeing a lot of comments saying "wish this was in the movie" but wasn't it??? I specifically remember the scene where Chani is packing to go fight the other houses and Jessica says the dialogue. Please tell me I'm not hallucinating???!!!!

[@CordsZ]

You’re hallucinating

[@CrownTheLyricist]

I think the movie did a better job of conveying this same message-Paul told Chani before the Emporor showed up that no matter what, he loved her. So even after he got the Princess’s hand, Chani would understand that this was a political move, not personal. It’s waaay more subtle and I can understand why people don’t like it, but I think it’s very emotionally powerful

[@sagatlike3393]

It wouldn't fit how chain is in film. Book chani is a pragmatists ,awere that sacrifices need to be done for the greater good. Its later reflected in Leto 2 and his pragmatism and willingness to self sacrifice for the of huma ity.

[@KraziEyevin]

It was good until she stormed off, and then it was just funny. Didn’t fit what they'd built up the fremen to be, and made her character feel far weaker than she had up to that point.

[@hehashivemind6111]

Considering how much the director is changing the story, I wouldn't be surprised if this was changed explicitly as well

[@ACastillo_]

I genuinely don't believe they'll have Chani be with Paul, this time.

[@nandrew111]

I like the book but the movie had a much more powerful ending

[@KraziEyevin]

It would have been far better had Chani stood her ground. It would have been the ultimate display of the strength of will she'd been shown to have up to that point.

[@axlefoxe]

This author did NOT understand women. "No no babe you'll be happy in HISTORY, 👍"

[@inu_2823]

And don’t forget what paul said to her in the book quote “ I swear to you now ... that you'll need no title. That woman over there will be my wife and you but a concubine because this is a political thing and we must weld peace out of this moment, enlist the Great Houses of the Landsraad. We must obey the forms. Yet that princess shall have no more of me than my name. No child of mine nor touch nor softness of glance, nor instant of desire."

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

and never a child of her, with or without Paul. This is why Dennis and even the 1984 dune producer (not Lynch, because he was insisted the scene included) put away the part of the story because they wanted Paul viewed as hero, tragic hero or symphatetic anti hero when he was anything but..

[@Darth_Traitorous]

It's okay to have a harem. Literally a lot of shows that I have seen and anime have harems. As long as you're treating the person right it doesn't matter how many you marry

[@SarahLiz30]

Nahhh, the second I read what Irulan goes through I hate Paul and Chani. When I found out they cast Florence for it, I hated it even more. I adore her, and to see her playing a role I already feel so bad for, just kills me. SPOILER: Honestly, the only karma is that Irulan ends up getting to raise Chani and Paul's children after Chani's death, and eventually Paul's.

[@peak_911]

After Chani's death which she herself caused. Why are people feeling sorry for her? wtf are these comments.

[@nurlindafsihotang49]

​@@peak_911irulan DID NOT CAUSE IT. paul himself says Chani will die in child birth in every vision he sees, the most longer he could extend her life is in the future when Irulan gave her contraceptive, that i don't know why people said aborticide because those are 2 very different drug. 😂

[@TheBalisongBear]

Yeah this woulda made chani much less... annoying

[@DoctorPhilGud]

Paul: does atrocities then turns to stare creepily at chani Chani: wtf dude

[@Numeral0]

I hated that they changed this in the movie, it should had been Chani is grieving her lost child but she still loves Paul unconditionally, but I sense that they want to make her like a strong rebellious woman now, and that most likely will end up changing things from the original books