‘I do think we’ve got an unbelievably bad crop of politicians’ - Marina Hyde

Marina Hyde is a columnist at the Guardian, where she’s worked for over 20 years.
She is one of the most admired journalists in the UK and known for her witty analysis of politics and the chaotic times we live in.
She joins Krishnan to talk about her new book ‘What Just Happened?!’, an amalgamation of the columns she writes for the Guardian. It spans post-referendum politics in Britain, from David Cameron to Theresa May, to Boris Johnson.
Marina also talks about how she became a journalist, the state of British politics and what’s next in her career.
Produced by Freya Pickford
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[@Elizabeth-qi5fx]

Thank you so much. It was good to see an interview that has a complete absence of ego. Just an authentic person answering good questions.

[@williamcarrington61]

We have to continue living on hope it seems ?

[@filton0]

The first time I've seen MH speaking, and it's a great relief (and pleasure) to find her so down-to-earth, a bit nervous and tongue-tied, natural and not at all arrogant. I love her writing and I now really like her as a person (on this evidence). And what a great interviewer Krishnan Guru-Murthy is.

[@pierremartini2229]

Marina Hyde's columns are one of the highlights of my week - always so funny , pithy and just brilliant. Great to see and hear this fantastic woman.

[@piplebref4607]

She's just about the only thing that keeps me sane...

[@johnaustinbyrne]

"Philanthropy starts with paying tax" - Marina Hyde

[@worldofameiso5491]

Oh yeah, pay your taxes so the government can squander them on ridiculous vanity projects like HS2, and encouraging illegal immigrants to flood across the Channel.

[@george57l]

If only this were the motto of the execrable "Taxpayers Alliance" whose objective is zero taxes (and, thus, zero alliance). Patriotism, philanthropy and society all start with people paying their taxes. Without taxes, none of those three things every really exists.

[@dortebuttenschn3764]

As a Dane I can only agree. And it works!!!

[@user-bu9nb8wr6e]

Time to make it a crime to lie to the public if one is an MP.

[@pauln6803]

Outside of official secrets and other sensitive information, then yes. The problem is then they'd just wheel out a lackey spokesperson to lie for them... But yeah, I wish Starmer (being a QC and all that) would campaign on a platform of overhauling the Parliamentary code of conduct, because Boris & chums have really exposed the flaws in the current system.

[@theobserver9131]

I don't understand why it's not a crime. Anyone in public service should be obliged to be honest, unless honesty would somehow be detrimental to the safety of those they serve, and they should take pains to avoid the need for covert activity. Over the last 20 years or so, I've been appalled at the "normalcy" of lies in politics...from the US here.

[@theobserver9131]

"oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive..."

[@bakedbean37]

In the house of commons it's "illegal" to call someone a liar. The (deputy?) speaker recently reprimanded someone (Chris Bryant?) saying one can only be said to have "inadvertently" misled. It's going to be rather difficult having a law against a crime they can't even acknowledge exists.

[@bereal6590]

@@bakedbean37 the speaker is a wet rag, it's ridiculous

[@sunnysjwinter]

A brilliant interview. Krishnan is such a great interviewer & Marina is a fantastic mind. I think she sums up the modern political age perfectly

[@Robert-tl2vg]

Robert Downey Jr begs to differ.

[@johnh1252]

Very talented writer. Her articles are so consistently good.

[@alisdairmclean8605]

And funny.

[@AlphaGoII]

You have a very low bar but then they won't let you see the real criique.

[@angelamaryquitecontrary4609]

@@AlphaGoII You what?

[@paulbattenbough1002]

yes especially the smear pieces on Corbyn and Assange.....great dollops of state sanctioned bullshit.

[@Leo-yh4lx]

Absolute fan of Marina Hyde's take on British politics (from across the channel)

[@mogznwaz]

Because leftie ‘takes’ are always so ‘good’ at preaching to the converted

[@salsmith1323]

Me too. Yes she is from a fairly privileged background but she does come across as an intelligent and articulate journalist without the nauseating pretentious barking of Nadine Dorries. I try to read her column at every opportunity and yes her comedy shines through. ( from across the Bay of Biscay)

[@AlphaGoII]

She never addresses the genuine democratic deficit, that of mass immigration

[@martinsepion]

She is as good on film as she is in her Guardian column. Well done Krishnan. I agree with Marina ,a true patriot is not a flag waving little Englander but a person who pays their taxes.

[@elkpaz560]

And if you go to work in France and pay taxes there for 3 years - do you stop being a patriot or is your country France for 3 years?

[@Realist369]

Tax is slavery packaged as patriotism.wake up

[@steveweeden7647]

So flag waving little Englanders don't pay tax ??

[@steveweeden7647]

The PC university middle class are the perpetrators of the absolute mess we're in.

[@Pstephen]

@@steveweeden7647 - They support the people who don't.

[@carlstanford7607]

Marina Hyde and John Crace are two of the most consistently entertaining satirists in the press

[@peterscott2395]

Ian hislop?

[@seebarry4068]

It’s been an awful half decade. I’ve never known things this bad.

[@Extreme2SwaggerHD]

That's because we've lived in a time where nothing bad really affected the whole world for a long time. We've been really used to that and kind of spoiled by that. Speak to people who were alive during world war 2 they will probably tell you what they went through was much worse than this. We need to learn to manage in these times and learn that not everything will always be rosey in life.

[@sharkmania]

Wait for the next half.. very worrying times.

[@brendanpmaclean]

@@Extreme2SwaggerHD To an extent, I think you’re right. Times do change and there is a real need to adapt. However, it is disappointing to witness avoidable change being foisted upon us by the failings of a government whose professional standards are not what we might expect. A lack of standards applicable to MPs is perhaps a factor in this. MPs are generally free from accountability and so the opportunities for straying from the straight and narrow are difficult to avoid. Sadly we see some MPs making no real attempt to avoid corruption and some who positively delight in it. Perhaps it would be wise to find a way to ensure politicians are more effectively held to account so that as we navigate a world of change, we can be confident that they are working in the very best interests of the nation as opposed to dragging us kicking and screaming into chaos caused by dishonesty, incompetence and malice.

[@mattylamb9194]

an awful decade, I'd say

[@ysgol3]

She combines brilliant political analysis with hilarity like NOBODY else. She's simply outstanding.

[@Martin666Taylor]

Marina Hyde is currently the funniest newspaper columnist we have. Absolutely hilarious and I look forward with relish to reading her new book

[@ingerfaber3411]

She and John Crace make my day every time something is published

[@polliebain7450]

Yes. She can literally - and regularly - make me cry with laughter

[@alancassell566]

No MP should sit in the Commons more than 20 yrs.. 4 parliaments.. Then you go.... No one related to that MP shall sit in the Commons for the next 100 yrs..

[@ochjim]

Perceptive and knowledgeable as well as scathingly funny . . .

[@stevejohnstone1702]

@@polliebain7450 She does almost every day! 😂

[@davecross4493]

It's not the politicians that are bad per se - it's the ones Britain has been voting in for 12 years.

[@reluginbuhl]

Brought tears to my eyes at times! These past years have been traumatic to live through! Where is the hope?!

[@zeroxox777]

There is no hope - but when you see that, there is actually real hope. Trust me - this isn't just words. Hope prevents transformation, as does fear, both of which are unreal, projections, non-facts. Neither hope nor fear has any validity: only understanding what actually is, as it is, has validity. When you jettison the invalid, only the valid, the true, the real remain. All thought - all words - are worthless. Moving beyond thought is the only hope left for mankind, but don't hope for it: do it. Just as all the ancient and modern sages have said since the dawn of time. We ignore the whole of history and the history of all of humankind at our peril. No national history or national perspective is a complete perspective of anything at all. The only complete perspective is seeing what actually is, as it is, all the time. This transforms consciousness (which is 'the self' and 'the world' at the same time). You may not have a clue what I'm talking about but you will. For those who understand the real problem, the present collapse gives not a feeling of hopelessness but passion, gratitude, because we switch from self-destruction and the destruction of nature to the welcome collapse and liberation from all the social-historical accumulations that have destroyed all that makes life worth living.

[@alanhat5252]

@@zeroxox777 that's rather deep for a KZbin comment!

[@edwardbrady5843]

Europe is the only hope for our economy. We do not have very clever politicians, they really are the dregs.

[@bevneesam7994]

Meditation and nature and funny vids keep me balanced 😌

[@harveydontell777]

@@findingtimo6538 The World isn't more anti God than ever because that's impossible?? The World was created by God as was everything on it, which means the world is exactly where it should be? The World is just passing through another stage in its evolution, it is WE as individuals who must decide what our place is on it?

[@dac545j]

I always like her articles. Very funny. Witty. Clever.

[@seebarry4068]

We need the best and brightest to get us through, and we have the worst and dimmest.

[@secondtimearound2539]

Marvellous. Marina Hyde, along with Frances Ryan, are two of the ever-decreasing and exceedingly small number of journalists employed by the UK's MSM I have any faith in. Both are excellent at their craft and tell it like it is. Thankyou so much both of you.

[@kyorin6526]

Thoroughly interesting and enjoyable. Thank you to both Krishnan and Marina.

[@thecockerel86]

Say it again ; Philanthropy begins with paying tax.

[@qlnbd]

Marina Hyde has such a wonderful way with words. She's a real gem of a writer.

[@tulyar57]

Marina has moved from making humurous columns about second rate celebrities to the same about second rate politicians. The irony is that her acerbic observations of the calamitous actions of politicians is both funnier and more tragic because it has a direct input onto our lives.

[@artoffderidikulous3009]

and more tragic because it shines a light on the electorate who continue to put these folk into office. Forget rotten boroughs, we have rotten voters.

[@stevec6427]

I wish we had second rate politicians, we're currently around 200th rate politicians

[@ajp8260]

Oh now we know who Liz Truss was talking about: North London townhouse, taxi to tv studios. MH literally calls for people to pay their taxes at the end. Keep writing Marina, we need your voice!

[@paulentwistle8776]

I keep reading that people could have listened to this for hours - I so agree. Marina is my Guardian go to and has been for years. Journalists like her, Kate Connolly and John Kampfner have kept me alive both as a Brit living abroad and as someone working in media. Thank God for that serendipity that brought you to journalism…

[@katherinew2189]

After years of reading Marina's Guardian columns, this is the first time that I've seen her speak. Wonderful interview. Thanks

[@markcrocker8645]

I love you Marina!!!..... A rare voice of clear reason and thoughtful humanity.

[@deborahbradley3973]

Her columns are a highlight of my week, and now I admire her even more after hearing her speak.

[@johnmackenzie3030]

Highlight of your week! Get a life.

[@commoneuropeanstarling]

Best TV of the year. Thank you both of you. Great to actually hear Marina's voice.

[@ohnoitisnt]

without proportional representation we are stuck with the least worst out of 2 available parties with it others are able to represent us in parliment

[@barryhill1044]

@ oh no it isn’t… The problem with your ‘Excellent’ Idea . Is that Our Political System Quite Likes the present system to stay as it is ! Guess who would do the voting that would cause any change’s to the status quo ? So, They are not likely to pull the rug from beneath their own feet are they, It’s a well ‘ Thought Out’ strategy… Just my opinion here…

[@philtomlinson8220]

@@barryhill1044 Totally true, the turkeys won't vote for Christmas.

[@vladimirputin4822]

@@philtomlinson8220 continuous tory governments and brexit prove your claim wrong.

[@alanhat5252]

@@barryhill1044 the Labour Conference just voted for PR, the only holdout now is the Torys so if we elect _any_ other Party to form a Government we get PR. We even get PR with a weak Tory Government.

[@mrharry448]

With proportional representation you cannot vote for 'A' politician only those under the patronage of the political party. Exactly the same as the 'safe seat' abuse that has always occurred.

[@KJ-js7pi]

I agree with her. Too much tax avoidance happens because the UK has so many loopholes.

[@mrharry448]

And yet the only people who talk of 'simplifying' tax-rules are Tories. Loop holes arise because of over-complication and legacy hole-plugging.

[@davidfarrow875]

I always read Marina's columns in The Guardian and a copy of her book arrived in the post this morning - very much looking forward to reading it. Keep up the excellent work.

[@stevejohnstone1702]

It is genuinely brilliant and hysterically funny

[@getreal7964]

We so badly need to be able to debate complicated issues properly but the mainstream media is hugely letting us down on this.

[@morganbryan8045]

Because debating may require you to question your position, may take more than five minutes and you can't vote with your favourite celebrity 😁

[@nicindiff]

Outstanding! Loved this. Thank you! 👏👏👏👏

[@johnwelch5132]

Wonderful and insightful. Rarely you get that in a discussion on UK politics. 😊

[@mbvbac]

She's such a wonderful writer and such a likeable and humble person. It's a rare talent that can actually make you laugh out loud while reading.

[@terencemacsweeney3667]

There's only one way I am aware of to solve big problems, like 'the system is broken' type being discussed here. That is to break it down into manageable bits and tackle each one in turn. To my mind if you could turn people away from the political extremes which have become so evident in recent years the scale of problem would be halved. Thank you Marina for honesty and bravery.

[@AlphaGoII]

She is not addressing the decline, she's an apologist for the regime politics.

[@TearTheRoof0ff]

@@AlphaGoII Welp, that's her off the list then. Next.

[@AlphaGoII]

@@TearTheRoof0ff Why would you support the Fourth Estate when they become Fifth Columnists?

[@paulbattenbough1002]

yeah her smear pieces on Assange were so brave! cleaning up the entire MSM and getting rid of charlatans like Marina Hyde should be a priority, as well as tearing down the oligarchy

[@RogueWJL]

What a fabulous interview. Could have listened for hours. Extraordinary. So on point about the. 2008 Crash. The innocent where punnished and the guilty flourished. Chaos and misery have ensued ever since. The Book is on order!

[@kennethatkins9250]

All so very well said . and appreciated .

[@Paul-eb4jp]

When we have such wonderful intelligent people on our side, how is it we keep on losing?

[@lolazal1]

We accepted corruption from the MPs.

[@vincetownsend2514]

On our side? She mocked Jeremy Corbyn incessantly and cruelly. Maybe THAT'S one of the reasons we keep losing.

[@Loner-Wolf]

whenever I go on the Guardian website Marina's articles are the first thing I look for. She is one of the funniest and wittiest writers I have come across.

[@daves1412]

She is a genius. And a remarkably humble one at that.

[@Houston1863]

Thank you Christian and Channel 4 for this podcast which I have shared with a number of friends even as I began to watch it. Marina Hyde has been one of the most reliable, sincere and truthful observers of our times and now that I have reached the end of the podcast, my faith in her unbiased views could not be further affirmed.

[@theheadshotstudio9254]

Its Krishnan.

[@Houston1863]

@@theheadshotstudio9254 thanks 😀

[@huwzebediahthomas9193]

Sanity died in 2008. It has been plastic capitalism since, bankers just shrugged their shoulders and said - okay then, carry on regardless,, we can do anything then. Then came that warped austerity when the UK economy was screaming out - inward investment now.

[@harlek1149]

That's Baroness Hyde to you plebs.

[@anthonyferris8912]

We also have an unbelievably bad crop of journalists.

[@mattylamb9194]

Yes, who play to the lowest common base factor and don;t question politicians on what really matters

[@jantyszka1036]

Not just a bad crop of politicians, politicians who don't believe in government acting as an agency in people's lives. If you're worried you can't pay your bills, get a better job, don't expect us to help you.

[@kumasenlac5504]

The current crop of politicians is _exactly_ what the Civil Service wants so that it can run the country on its own behalf.

[@mesolithicman164]

You are kidding aren't you. In the UK we have up to 5 million people who could be working on benefits. And hundreds of thousands illegal immigrants in hotels being paid for by the tax payer. And you say the government isn't supporting people?

[@markwelch3564]

@@mesolithicman164 well, if you're a billionaire the Tories would live to support you with more tax subsidies...

[@theobserver9131]

From the US here.... I'd never heard of Marina, but she's a delightful, smart person! I love that shirt too.

[@angelamaryquitecontrary4609]

She's brilliant, and you can find all her writings in The Guardian. I'm also thrilled to relate that I have a very similar dress!

[@michaelflinn7784]

Certainly the Tories have scraped the bottom of the barrel for the last few prime ministers. Who thought we could get worse than Johnson?

[@davidnoonan5995]

Great as always to hear such reasoned comment from Marina Hyde, a perfect example of what politics could be should she have decided to enter itA lovely interview, and compliments to Krishnan who skillfully asked all the salient questions the book was there but there was so much more talked about Thanks

[@tanjalauramarketta]

Fantastic interview! Thank you so much!

[@nicksims2827]

She is an absolute artist with words. I’d love to watch her work and see how quickly she conjures her incredible lines that completely capture an issue and simultaneously ridicule them

[@dora59]

I enjoy reading the Guardian and Marina. I started following the story of 2 Italian women who were spending their rich employers money and I just kept on reading the Guardian. Then there was the crazy Brexit scheme, the Boris Johnson debacle, the horror of the fire in Grenfell towers. It’s been escapism from the horrors of US politics and the trump cult.

[@Steventrafford]

I love Marina, read her articles every week, Genuinely makes me laugh out loud.

[@U.R.2.H]

But yet still unable to spell her name correctly.

[@Steventrafford]

@@U.R.2.H 🤣. Thanks.. didn’t spot that, fixed🤘

[@mountainman6172]

So long the Eton-Oxbridge pipe-ine exists, this prevalence of out of touch and incompetent politicians will prevail.

[@4sstg]

Bad crop of politicians…..come to the southern states in America. It’s beyond the pale.

[@scottjones-singersongwrite6193]

Common sense is in short supply. Just thank the Universe that Marina Hyde both exists and does what she does.

[@harrisonandrew]

That was absolutely enthralling. I am ashamed to say I had not come across Marina Hyde before, but I will seek out her columns from now on. Great content Channel 4 News.

[@ochjim]

Her writing is usually riveting for its wit and for its insightfulness.

[@Feellikealady99]

You're in for a real treat! Her sardonic, arch wit is second to none of the columnists, in any newspaper. Plus she writes well, and it's a brutal combination. Sometimes I find i can't get into the mood for one of columns, because the style doesn't always suit the topic...but that's my own humorlessness in these dark dark times. Sometimes I don't WANT to laugh, even in scorn. Krishan says they're 'If you don't laugh, you'll cry'. Sometimes you just want to cry. But I have noticed that when a topic is particularly grave, Marina has gotten better at reigning in the jokes and writing with a seriousness that a grave topic needs. Not that humour isn't serious. But eg one wouldn't write a column about say, Sarah Everard's murder with jokes. Her articles on this are great examples of the fury she mentions in the piece, and proof really, that she can gauge it all with ease, probably because all good writers use the actual emotions they feel to write. She's been in her element the past few years because politics and specifically the Tories, have been utterly farcical.

[@TheSlinq]

I'd never heard of Marina Hyde, but this was one of the most thoughtful, engaging and interesting interviews I've heard for a long time.

[@polliebain7450]

I'm quite jealous that you now have all that fun in store ..😏 lucky you!

[@angelamaryquitecontrary4609]

@@polliebain7450 Look up Catherine Bennett, too.

[@polliebain7450]

@@angelamaryquitecontrary4609 thank you - will do!

[@angelamaryquitecontrary4609]

@@polliebain7450 Apart from being hilarious and insightful, her use of punctuation elevates each piece to the level of art.

[@willyburger61]

Thanks for this great interview with a brilliant writer and, now thanks to this, an obviously brilliant person. She's my favourite read in The Guardian.

[@HB-bl5mn]

One of the best Brits today. There are not many good ones left, with whom I would like to spend time with.

[@peterbrown9492]

Following this interview I've downloaded her book!

[@alingard1]

Fantastic. She's spot on with every single thing she says. What a shame people like her are scared off politics and were left with Johnson, truss and JRM et al....

[@timmurphy5541]

Who scares them off? Us I think. :/

[@nigelpayne1236]

Thanks for that. I really enjoyed it. Marina's columns in the Graun are a delightful antidote to just about everything.

[@thomaswilga735]

The problem is we don’t have political leaders with any moral values or in common parlance compass ,I would suggest to anyone no matter their political persuasion to watch some of the speeches of Aneurin Bevan ,we were a bankrupt country after the war that was fast losing its empire but listen to the vision of a better future for everyone and what was delivered absolutely amazing and compare it to what passes for politics today

[@goodwifelucy5602]

Yes, yes, yes!!

[@damienx0x]

That's an exaggeration. The leaders of Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party have moral values.

[@cautiousrebel84]

This interview was excellent! Thank you for this!

[@jananders1351]

What a good interview. It was good to hear Marina Hyde speaking impromptu and yet still making so much sense. Her desire to maintain her distance from politicians is just so refreshing and quite rightly earns a lot of respect. She also points out with absolute precision the ongoing rise of the nonentities in our current politics.

[@martinwhelan5415]

Excellent, perfect to see someone who can communicate specifically and elegantly whilst being totally clear on the point in question

[@fuckbankers]

She's right about it not being a good idea for journalists to suck up to politicians for a story.

[@charliebear1436]

We've also got an unbelievably bad crop of political journalists.

[@richardcoomber925]

Brilliant. One of my favourite columnists. So much sense

[@tonydiamond1875]

Such a wonderful interview! Lovely! Well done to everybody concerned.

[@billfromgermany]

I fell in love with Marina from reading her columns. The interview confirms that I was right. 😁 Great interviewer too. I feel that her writing style has a lot in common with stand-up.

[@GiggityGig]

Marina always writes columns with a wicked sense of humour that exposes injustices in our society.

[@curtisault2508]

Wonderful writer, look forward to every article.

[@tidalregulator]

Such a lovely interview, thank you.

[@audreybarnes6527]

Thanks Marina ❤️, your column is often reassurance that I'm not going mad.

[@ACinDorset]

I never thought for one moment that I would stay for the whole 40 minutes, but Marina was very compelling viewing. If Marina ever did have a change of heart and think to enter politics I am sure Labour, Greens or Lib Dems would snap her up, bump another candidate off the waiting list and give her the safest seat they could muster up.

[@Feellikealady99]

She's far more useful as a writer. Writers are infinitely more important than politicians

[@rachelgrigg7189]

Fab! My new audible listen. X

[@enablerbro1]

The crop of politicians are the end product of Britain's dominance of Party politics, it only requires a small number of people to dictate who can become an MP and it takes very little for that small number to be corrupted. You need to have democratic political Parties and the Conservatives, Labour and FibDems are not democratic institutions. Labour from 2015-2019 were working towards that but all those efforts have been entirely removed and it has returned to being an institution for hire. British politics does not serve Britons. Private companies provide the sock puppets the British public can choose from to represent them politically in Westminster. The 'establishment' abuse those same socks like teenage boys.

[@mrharry448]

I saw no democratisation in Labour between 2015 and 2019. It was a coup by Momentum with it's little army of £5 brown-shirts.

[@isabellahat146]

How refreshing to listen to this. I do despair of current batch of government politicians.

[@kezblu]

I love her. I've always loved reading her delicious, hilarious columns and now I see her it turns out she's also a wonderfully thoughtful, natural, fresh, charming person.

[@oceanclau]

I knew she was hysterically funny, but wow, She is so inspiring

[@hydra66]

Never heard of Marina Hyde before but this was a very sound interview. Will check out her book

[@arthurfincham6480]

What an incredible person!

[@jenniharris2940]

So fantastic.. All journalists should listen, hear... And take note.

[@blt4life112]

"Where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish ignorant leaders." GC

[@richardpentelow5111]

This is from the UK. Not that your comments are not relevant to us over here.

[@nicolaablett7790]

@@richardpentelow5111 UK still vaguely quintestentially English

[@johnwilliams7653]

No. Don't shift the blame. The UK tolerates these, our own corrupt home-grown charlatans. Yes, America has their's too, but our lot are our fault. Were I a governor of Eton College I would hang my head in shame had I the awareness & introspection necessary to have such thought - about the damage & unfairness wrought upon the people of Britain for the profit of the priviledged few. Public School (i.e.Privately funded School) education can, should & must do so much better than merely turn out polished arrogant individuals to maintain the creed of greed to breed & so feed the next generation into this cycle of shameful exploitation.

[@marmadukesandwich]

@Dr Diablory I think they have heard of him. Bores who view him as some sort of prophet are constantly quoting him on the internet, plus he was Rufus in the Bill and Ted films

[@nickbarton3191]

Unfortunately, Liz Truss' speech was further dividing us up into growth/anti-growth when the argument really is about how we acheive growth and not that anyone wants low/none/negative growth. Truss fails her primary duty as a leader which is to give meaning in crisis and unite us. Instead, she's using the overused weapon of divide and conquer to maintain her position. I hope Truss becomes hoisted on her own petard.

[@jamesbriers696]

Absolutely brilliant interview. Two adults having a proper conversation, what a change. She has a LOL column and the book is excellent.

[@cottagefarm3103]

Hyde is the daughter of Sir Alastair Edgcumbe James Dudley-Williams, 2nd Baronet, and his wife, the former Diana Elizabeth Jane Duncan.[1] Through her father, she is the granddaughter of aviation pioneer and Conservative politician Sir Rolf Dudley-Williams, 1st Baronet. She attended Downe House School, near Newbury in Berkshire,[2] and read English at Christ Church, Oxford.[3] can we stop pretending that she is anything other than a fully paid up member of the establishment she writes about.

[@emm_arr]

The English is good for the bits you copy and paste in your smear post.

[@cottagefarm3103]

@@emm_arr is it any less true just because you don't like it?

[@emm_arr]

@@cottagefarm3103 It's irrelevant. Smear jobbie. Smear jobski.

[@cottagefarm3103]

@@emm_arr how is her being a member of the very establishment that she writes about irrelevant? How did you get your first job in the 5th estate, Marina?

[@donmac7780]

They are all from the same small circle. It is the unfortunate peculiarity of the UK that politicians and journalists are so matey, where a journalist is interviewing an MP he's known since sixth form.

[@darricjon]

I didn't want this interview to end.

[@davidwilson9264]

Love the quote that ended with "a lie you tell yourself", it neatly sums up what is wrong with British reporting and reporters.

[@bereal6590]

That's because the media is right wing it's not free press, as is the bbc it's all bought and paid for and they're all interlinked, that's why NADINE dorries tried to get channel 4 sold off

[@williamgoss4691]

A really fascinating, engaging and thought-provoking chat / interview. Thks.

[@harrycuerden5266]

Following you Marina, from Canada.

[@charlessmyth]

The British people, like their US counterparts, are reliably attracted to that which is the most ridiculous that is backed by the most money that buys the most media exposure :-)

[@joanormrod4893]

I love Marina Hyde and John Crace - glad she's raising her profile.

[@alanedwards1179]

Thank you for the upload

[@marionmclean185]

She's excellent - I love her columns!

[@InlightmediaUk]

Some great points here, great journalist

[@pkdick1]

How about writing a piece on The Labour Files doc, eh Marina? Is that allowed at The Guardian?

[@robertalenrichter]

I often wonder why German and British politics are so dramatically different. Germany has its share of controversy and screw-ups, problems, but things do tend to stay on the rails. I think that part of it is cultural, part of it because the media landscape is equally divided between centre-right and centre-left, and the rest has to do with proportional representation, which creates governments that cleave to the middle. People like Johnston and Truss would never get anywhere near political responsibility. However, the UK wasn't always this way -- nor the USA, for that matter, which isn't out of the woods yet when it comes to dysfunctional extremism. I wonder about the English-speaking world at this moment in history. The malign influence of Rupert Murdoch and his friends springs to mind as a common denominator, however preposterous this may seem in the grand scheme of things.

[@fabulouslyfeline8238]

Couldn't agree more.

[@angelamaryquitecontrary4609]

Genau.