Secret of NIMH 2 - Nostalgia Critic

[@ChannelAwesome]

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[@RRose2312]

Channel Awesome Thank you

[@ironluigi6159]

Channel Awesome can you review all the new ducktales trailers please?!?!

[@fatmaninparadise]

Channel Awesome ...thanks for taking one for the team. I'll avoid actually watching this, like ever.

[@nasayalucero1703]

Channel Awesome I thought sequel month was over, maybe it a extra review. PS can you review the new duck tales reboot please

[@AJ_the_One23]

Channel Awesome nostalgia critic can you review the last two sequels of Alvin and the Chipmunks as a sketch please

[@elijahconger2432]

You know what would've been a better twist for this film? What if being built up as the mouse Messiah caused Timmy to become an arrogant, power-hungry villain, and Martin had to be the one to stop him?

[@mercedeswalt6621]

Elijah Conger my God, that brilliant!

[@ruthrichardson9717]

Elijah Conger I think that was the plot idea Don Bluth had if he was going to do a sequel lol.

[@brettjohnson536]

That... actually would've been brilliant.

[@ariannarubin3368]

Elijah Conger Yeah I always thought this movie would’ve been better if Timmy had been the villain instead of Martin. We actually know Martin better from the first one (hence his evolution from brat to hero) and there’s a kind of tragic element to Timmy going bad to due his sickness in the first one.

[@emilymarley4505]

Honestly, that would be a fantastic film. Martin could have still been abducted but then escaped, arrived at Thornvalley where he sees what Timmy has become. Then Martin and his mother, Mrs Brisby, could have teamed up to fight Timmy and had some heartwrenching scenes like in the original. Also, Mrs Brisby would get her statue.

[@thecinematicmind]

The fact they make statues of Timmy and Jonathan Brisby but don't bother to have Mrs Brisby a statue is like a complete middle finger to everyone who loved the first, myself included.

[@anthonyrodriguez1119]

The Cinematic Mind yeah it doesn't even make sense in the context of this film. why didn't Timmy's love interest get a statue considering she did just as much work as Timmy if not more?

[@thecinematicmind]

Anthony Rodriguez Considering she escapes from NIMH and was trying to get help to get the rest of the rats out of NIMH. It baffles me why the Rats of Thorn Valley don't have more respect for her.

[@TED_Frames]

The Cinematic Mind Yeah, that's the one thing that pissed off Doug and Rob too.

[@DJViviMIX]

Because she‘s only a woman.

[@giggityking6505]

@@DJViviMIX You know they could have made a sequel of where that magic stone came from, or have the family take down a mega corporation like ULTRA TECH from Killer Instinct.

[@andresacosta7885]

Technically Martin defeated Dr. Valentine, so with that logic in mind isn’t technically he the chosen one? The prophecy never said it was Timmy specifically, just a son of Jonathan Brigsby

[@Belac_LoTH]

nope. he actually reduces valentine to a dog like the others. it's part of the twist. he's masked in shadow, sitting in an office chair as the characters look up in fear. the we hear eric idle say, "Here Dr. Valentine, Fetch!" and the drooling scientist falls to the floor chasing it.

[@berpipo]

Even if he didn't kill him, Martin did make Dr Valentine compelty harmless, so in a way he was the one who fulfilled the prophecy and not timmy. WHERE IS MARTIN'S STATUE?!

[@vincenthawthorne9360]

FoxHunter ....Actually yeah that’s a good point. I mean especially since he’s not the one treated like a godsend

[@dereknight861]

....*facepalm* god dammit!! You’re right! HELL when Anakin turned into Vader, he STILL lived up to his prophecy and did Palpatine in (DONT say Rise of made this not matter. Anakins spirit STILL says he brought balance to the force and is asking Rey to do the same) but TIMMY HASNT DONE JACK SHIT!!!

[@chubchub1307]

@@dereknight861 it's fucking hilarious. And sad.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

Fun fact: in the Harry Potter books, it's explicitly stated that the prophecy being public was bad because it railroaded people's expectations and made them complacent, and part fo the reason Dumbledor had to send Harry to live with people who would not teach him anything about magic was so that he wouldn't know the prophecy from the start, so that he'd learn to be more reliant on himself and also not get a swollen ego. So, even in Harry Potter, the writer was aware that you don't praise children for things like this.

[@bbbproductions7299]

THANK YOU !!! ... sorry, I like this review but the part when he's talking about Harry potter compared to this movie really triggers me. I'm just thankful that someone is pointing out the difference between the two movies

[@TehLucario]

Also for much of the series they weren't really treating him as a savior, more of a celebrity. Cause he survived a murder.

[@Sonichero151]

@ Oh shit you mean Jenny is Ace of the Royal Flush Gang...... To those that saw that episode of Justice League Unlimited....... I am so sorry.....

[@shwahgamer]

AND even after Dumbledore told Harry about said prophecy he openly said, "Don't tell anyone. Ron and Hermione are trustworthy but let's keep this to a severe minimum because if Voldemort knows then dude we're fucked because that's literally what he was trying to get in the Department of Mysteries." The only reason it was out in the open in the movies, was because it's more dramatic for people to know. (And it allowed for a couple comedic moments) Besides, even there, the prophecy wasn't known by anyone until the end of Order of the Phoenix. It's not something that everyone always knew and bothered him with. Harry was famous because of something he barely remembered doing, and he did still DO something, but since most everyone believed that Voldemort was now dead there was no thought that he would NEED to fight him for real later.

[@cyberdance4578]

The writer was competent until she decided to fuck up everything

[@K-bb2bc]

*why does being evil give you a british accent*

[@TED_Frames]

Kyra Cook I don’t know but it makes the villain awesome. 😁

[@DalekTheSupreme]

He got possessed by Film Brain?

[@geoffreyherrick9900]

Kyra Cook ask Stewie Griffin.

[@oron61]

Because the Germans got tired of it.

[@vanellopescorner8882]

The best villains are British.

[@MmeCShadow]

Fun fact: Don Bluth did actually make considerations for making an original sequel to the Secret of NIMH. I don't know how far they got into planning (as he only mentions it in passing in the Secret of NIMH commentary track), but the idea behind it was actually a reversal of Timmy to the Rescue-- *Martin* would have been the hero, with *Timmy* set up as the villain.

[@wokycookie]

Yooooooooo

[@adamsedor8247]

and what did we got instead?

[@adamsedor8247]

get

[@vincenthawthorne9360]

Yeah would’ve been not as bad as what we got

[@adamsedor8247]

@@vincenthawthorne9360 oh trust me, if you go to Wikipedia and search up the first film, it says in one of the other thing on its page about a potential reboot, and i know Wikipedia is not the most trusted site, but it at least gives something. How about that, MGM trying to destroy the legacy of the first film

[@TheLazySleeperLives]

I was wondering why Jenny, the love interest in the movie, sounded so familiar. Turns out she's voiced by Hynden Walch, the voice actress behind Princess Bubblegum in Adventure Time and Starfire in Teen Titans

[@Mailed-Knight]

Cool.

[@chinococoa6743]

Princess Bubblegum started out in this acid trip of a movie????!!! Well, you gotta start somewhere...

[@tomnorton4277]

Hynden Walch was in this movie!? God damn it, that's a shame. She's the second greatest Harley Quinn, for god's sake! Sure, Tara Strong's more famous but Hynden Walch sounds closer to Arleen Sorkin. She can do a lot better than this piece of shit, which seemed to go out of its way to spit in the face of the original Secret of Nimh.

[@jake06750]

Cool. I also was wondering that as well, I could hear some Starfire and Harley Quinn in her voice.

[@lunabearsong2043]

Sweetness!

[@mesousagaby740]

Mrs. Brisby getting barely any recognition is honestly worse than the Martin twist. Way to shit on her journey on her first film. And why is Hynden Walch voicing a bland love interest in this?

[@Joshua_Quinzel_Isley]

What was that last part again?

[@NintendoFanatic2001]

Hynden walch is in better like Adventure Time and Teen titans.

[@tomnorton4277]

Hynden Walch deserved better. Fortunately, she became the second greatest Harley Quinn 16 years later when she did Assault on Arkham after warming up for that role in The Batman series. I know Tara Strong's more famous but Hynden sounded closer to Arleen Sorkin so they should ask her to voice Harley again sometime.

[@megamovieman101]

Yeah I honestly can't stand Tara Strong's Harley Quinn, so freaking squeaky and high-pitched.

[@ExplorerDS6789]

Well, at least she and Eric Idle got paychecks out of this.

[@beccahawkins1905]

I think it's hilarious how he suddenly gets a British accent (voice actor switched to Eric Idle) when he becomes evil, and then after he becomes good again, he suddenly has an American accent again and doesn't talk like a Disney villain anymore.

[@prestonplayzsucks]

Remember when U go insane your accent changes

[@ishall9956]

That's the only accurate part of the movie.

[@godlessandlovingit]

It's ludicrous how in the first one, Mrs. Brisby goes through all this trouble to save her son Timmy from dieing, but in the sequel, Martin gets captured for years and she doesn't even lift a finger over him

[@joshuastrittmatter4188]

I remember watching the part where Timmy pulls out the letter detailing Martin’s disappearance, and I literally screamed at the top of my lung “WHY DIDN’T MRS BRISBY TRY TO SAVE HIM?!” And I was, like, 11 or 12 at the time. I knew lazy writing when I saw it. (Speaking of which, Mrs. Brisby tracking down and saving Martin from kidnapping by nameless, ambiguous scientists would’ve made for a FAR better movie.)

[@dionjaywoollaston1349]

fucking parental favouritism

[@NinjaGidget]

Timmy didn't even defeat Martin! His girlfriend is the one who knocked the book over!

[@MidnightMuffin]

Nononono, not his girlfriend. Just his crush or whatever. DID they even have feelings for each other before that "I love you, I love you too" scene?

[@LilyZerep]

@@MidnightMuffin 🤨yeah I didn't see either of them show any signs they had feelings for each other before that moment. Snow White and her Prince Charming showed more love for each other than Timmy and Jenny 🤦‍♀️

[@JacobButter]

Yep. And Mrs Brisbee actually permanently saved Thorn Valley, not Jonathan. Guess only the dudes get celebrated.

[@prestonplayzsucks]

NinjaGidget this is frigging secret of nimh 2 Nothing Here makes sense

[@s.g.7572]

I actually kind of like the idea of the person being rescued secretly being the villain, but damn did they misuse it here.

[@anthonyrodriguez1119]

Brandon Lyon yeah that was an awesome twist

[@HeilRay]

Imagine if they really flip the script and make the hero of a previous movie the villain. Zootopia, Star Wars, Ice Age. Wait, that already happened to one of those.

[@jlan7844]

Yeah it is always sad when a movie starts with what would be a great idea but turns it to garbage. I remember a movie that I watched a few parts of that would have been epic if done right. It was a sci-fi movie about an alien invasion that was using stealth technology to frame countries for military attacks so that humanity would wipe itself out. That could have been great or at least decent, but it ended up a ScyFy channel shitstorm. It was so bad that I can't even remember the name of it. Of course, what else can you expect from the channel that created the "Sharknado" series.

[@cah137-y4s]

I remember one episode of _Rick and Morty_ used that twist to tremendous effect. I'm not going to say which episode, in case someone reading this hasn't watched the show yet and doesn't want it spoiled, but it was a pretty damn good twist.

[@cah137-y4s]

Yep.

[@ThexDynastxQueen]

Movie: JONATHAN BRISBY WAS GOD INCARNATE AND SURELY HIS SON...OR ONE OF THEM WILL BE TOO! Audience: Yeah but...what about Mrs Brisby? Movie: Who?

[@gageperuti5519]

Oh, no one. Just the person whose actions got the rats to Thorn Valley to begin with. Ungrateful jackasses.

[@lexy5430]

@@TGwA1993 her son

[@decoydamsel]

Where is Mrs. Brisby's statue for real. Or credit at all for anything really

[@mrdufresne05]

I also think that's bullshit.

[@diamondbaker5331]

Yeah, she was the one who warned the rats about NIMH coming for the rose bush, saved ALL of her children, and harnessed the power of the stone! The fuck is her statue?!

[@spycat6773]

I miss her so much

[@airotiv7916]

Right?!!

[@jasontodd2607]

This is literally a reverse Rey Skywalker situation. Here we have this character who everyone around is supposed to like because the movie says so. Does he do anything interesting or overcome any huge obstacles that makes us want to follow his adventures? No, but he's the main character so you'll like him no matter what. In fact, to make sure you like this new main character, we've undermined the previous main characters accomplishments. Please like this character! Both Ms. Brisby and Luke Skywalker's treatment were a result of sexism. It works both ways people.

[@loneronin6813]

When Timmy got rid of the snake as a kid, he showed some ingenuity and improvisation with various materials. He has shown himself to be intelligent and quick on his feet in that moment, but was immediately admonished for showing even the slightest amount of competence. So from childhood he is discouraged from cultivating his advantages and they have clearly taught him nothing. No wonder he grew up to be utterly useless :P

[@artydomi2466]

One of my favorite reviews Doug has done. His reaction to Martin (with singing voice provided by Eric Idle) still cracks me up

[@markfisbach188]

LOL Doug loses his shit here

[@gustavofring8709]

"It's like Candyland if it was designed by Charles Manson!" LOL

[@artydomi2466]

Just say YES!

[@sensibleGamer]

The ending cracks me up every time! I don't even CARE what it is! Did somebody say Care!? *pained groan-shriek*

[@fraya1022]

Artydomi - I love this review!! 💖

[@tinabalducci]

I loved this movie when I was young. I never saw the first one so I always assumed that the little intro at the beginning was a recap of the first movie. So when I saw the first one years later, I wondered if I was watching the right movie. Like where is Jonathan Brisby? Why is this about the mom? Why is this taking place on a farm? Where is the rescue? Not even the prophecy. The second movie lied to me fuuuuck

[@pridefulnamelesshunter1145]

Me and feviel goes west in a nutshell

[@Swanswearbells5547]

Did you at least like the first one?

[@oystersoup3434]

The title "Timmy To The Rescue" just lets you know you're in for a garbage movie.

[@thecinematicmind]

Mortilum It just rolls off the tongue in the worst way.

[@HeilRay]

Theres a Ferngully 2-nononono Naaah Nice try. Not gonna full me.

[@jlan7844]

+Hellray- Unfortunately there is a Ferngully 2, my parents got it for me when I was young. Even back then I could tell it was a bad movie.

[@yungslyme4341]

Mortilum NC reviewed it

[@Never_heart]

Mortilum Ya I here that subtitle and I could physically feel my stomach want to stab itself

[@MissBarker93]

Theory: This entire movie is just a fever dream that Timmy had while suffering from pneumonia in the first film.

[@Prince_Gator]

I would accept this

[@prestonplayzsucks]

That could be true I mean a movie couldn’t be that stupid

[@andrewstovall2853]

That's not a theory that's a fact

[@Camogirl4234]

😂🤣 Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! THAT IS A GOOD ONE! GOLD STAR!! ⭐⭐🌟🌟🌟

[@thedeerguy7579]

In _Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH,_ they did say he was having nightmares about monsters and cats while he was sick.

[@Kartissa]

5:00 To be fair to Harry Potter, he *did* actually do something pretty incredible, albeit inadvertently - he survived a Killing Curse, and stopped Voldemort.

[@jake06750]

True. Yet there's still assholes like Draco Malfoy, Dolores Umbridge (bitch) and Severus Snape (to an extent, since he was at least trying to protect Harry) who treated him like shit.

[@mariic2]

Kartissa That's as maybe, but the books still go through the whole "It Sucks to be the Chosen One" bit.

[@nickclark18]

harry potter as a baby didnt do anything. technically it was his mother.

[@Kartissa]

@@nickclark18 I was actually talking about in the Deathly Hallows, during their final duel. Although yes, that *was* after all the acclaim he'd been shown for his mother's sacrifice, which most of the magical world didn't know about, and wouldn't have understood.

[@theeyeoftheyinyangs]

To be fair… He survived it TWICE.

[@michaeldorsey9231]

"And Timmy doesn't even bat an eye as his brother's being tortured for years" Wouldn't it be for months rather than years, given a mouse's lifespan?

[@trequor]

I doubt the movie brings it up, but in the book they specifically mention increased lifespan was a result of the experiments at NIMH

[@michaeldorsey9231]

They did say that in the first movie. But if it really was years, wouldn't Mrs. Brisby be dead by the end of the movie?

[@timberstroke4128]

The first movie did brought it up, when Nicodemus and Mrs. Brisby talk to each other

[@azadalamiq]

it was mentioned in movie 1 the mice and rats of nymh had longer life span.

[@T5ComixCartoonz]

I would look for too much sense or continuity in this movie. :/

[@Someloser3232]

Actually two brothers plotted against each other by faith both trying to live up to thier father's great legacy. The smarter older one who was neglected and outshined by his weaker brother who is treated like a God by everyone could be a great story. It just done terrible here.

[@whatdidyoujustcallme6242]

ffxv ardyn be like

[@Canadamus_Prime]

Yeah where the hell is Mrs. Brisby's statue???

[@mattyboy3576]

I wouldn’t say this is canon to Secret of Nimh universe

[@adamsedor8247]

@@mattyboy3576first can't be touched

[@adamsedor8247]

@@mattyboy3576 oh trust me, MGM has more plans for the first

[@giggityking6505]

@@adamsedor8247 You know they could have the sequel involve the entire family take down ULTRA TECH from Killer Instinct. And also have the red stone be revealed to be only one of five, and also called "the stone of heart". And the other elements would be "strength", "courage", "hope", and "wisdom". And when the stones are all together they can bring Jonathan Brisby back to life.

[@artslife4424]

Why do they make statues in the first place.

[@joshuastrittmatter4188]

Plot twist: this whole movie was just a hallucination that Timmy had while he was sick. And he wasn’t happy about it upon waking up. At all. So he swore never to speak of it again in hopes that he would forget about it altogether as time went on.

[@WolfBitesAndSleepyGraves]

That would actually make WAAAAAAAYY more sense.

[@MissBarker93]

One of the rare cases where the "it was all a dream" ending would actually improve a movie.

[@giovanniorellana2200]

I love that Pinky and the Brain parody! That's some of your best work!

[@sarahmcmann5253]

Me too

[@SkylierShepard]

If ya think about it maybe just maybe Pinky is the genius and Brain is insane

[@bossyheifer]

Wow, this movie is a COMPLETE insult to the first movie. None of the characters act like they even remember anything from the first movie. It's like they'll all totally different characters with the same names. And what's up with the horrible animation. This whole thing looks like a giant mess. PASS.

[@TheShadowsega75ZX]

Kris Dudoich This inhorrent mess of a sequel just shits all over the original and muck it up. The ending is stupid Nimh caught on fire and Martin went to normal. Did Mrs. Brisby just detoxified Martin? Well...Sort of.

[@TED_Frames]

It’s not like the makers are trying to make a legit sequel to the first one though, so it’s probably not worth getting that angry at it. Unlike Mulan 2, which tried to be a legit sequel to the first, which makes it more of an insult.

[@anthonyrodriguez1119]

you know. the way Timmy is treated in the beginning of the movie is pretty much how I imagined azulas early childhood. I wonder if he's also going to end up as a fire breathing mouse king and will eventually be defeated by Martin and his girlfriend.

[@Senjuina77]

Anthony Rodriguez Awesome reference XD

[@reneelucero2923]

xD oh nice.

[@jinxpianista]

the difference is that his mother actually loved him, sorry azula

[@anthonyrodriguez1119]

Still Alive actually Azulas Mother also loved her.

[@nicolaheekin1915]

Dammit, Zutarra is NOT a thing!

[@iamxeracon]

"Gee Martin, what are we gonna do tonight?" "The same thing we do every night, stupid! Try to take over the world!"

[@c.o.d.1911]

Of course!

[@TheKevinKruger]

They're Timmy and the Brain.

[@airotiv7916]

🤣🤣🎉🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍 YES 💜

[@tanishambrowne1137]

One is genius and also insane

[@DeathofInk]

This movie is just like a bad fanfiction.

[@vanellopescorner8882]

Oh come on, you could write a way better fanfiction than this.

[@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090]

Vanellope'sCorner well he did say a bad fanfic

[@diegobareno5820]

Like Maleficent.

[@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090]

Diego Bareno true

[@BonniesMinion]

Vanellope'sCorner Exactly what I was about to say.

[@Lars_E_Mou]

Martin is the bad guy? And voiced by Eric Idle? And... and... and... and... and... and...

[@lworthy2518]

LarsEMou99 "EXPLAIN, MOVIE! EXPLAIN!"

[@arifakyuz7673]

*Pounds nuke in anger*

[@thetargetmangle9837]

_world explodes_

[@curtisdavis9171]

LarsEMou99 Like If You Heard Of Him Already, GCN Would Say "Detils, Man They Are Important!"

[@curtisdavis9171]

LarsEMou99 *"Details"

[@baykkus]

I watched the first Secret Of NIMH because of the Nostalgia Critic and I'm definitely not watching the second one also because of the Nostalgia Critic.

[@thomashuffman3237]

Julio R. What did you think of the original?

[@baykkus]

I liked it a lot, I don't praise it as much as Doug but I can see why he considers it a classic.

[@diegobareno5820]

I might give it a look.

[@breecat3428]

The Secret of Nimh was the first movie I saw that kept me both in awe and suspense at the same time. I never liked dark things as a kid but that movie hit me deep every time I watched it. I remember being so excited when I found the sequel at the library. I popped it in expecting another dark, wondrous tale and... Yeah I blocked it from my mind completely. Seriously didn't remember that this was the plot. I think that speaks for itself.

[@bluubandette8871]

Yea this sequel is DISRESPECTFUL

[@prestonplayzsucks]

It was created without any support from the originals director

[@animls4evr]

Timmy: What's NIMH? Me: Didn't your mother and brother mention the "Rats of NIMH" and how your father saved the rats from NIMH literally before you left for Thorn Valley? Good God, somebody please find another prophet. Is it too late to recruit Martin? *Martin is the villain of the movie* Me: Oh, come on!

[@maliqflowers5112]

Now i see why people say secret of the NIMH 1 was better then 2

[@ExplorerDS6789]

Dare I suggest ways to actually fix this movie? From what I see, if it had been handled differently, it MIGHT have worked. How about this: 1- Include Mrs. Brisby's statue by Jonathan's. They erected her a statue as a way of thanking her for her courage. 2- Have Martin not be there in the beginning. Say he disappeared after the events of the first film. They searched everywhere, but found no sign of him. Mrs. Brisby didn't want to give up, but the others assumed he was dead. Therefore, Nicodemus' prophecy (let's keep that for the sake of a plot) would have to be fulfilled by Timmy. So he's sent to Thorn Valley to begin his training. 3- As he grows up, he has flashbacks of the last time he saw Martin. His older brother talking about wanting to be a hero like his father. To go out in the world and do something big. So he had run away and nobody had seen him since. 4- While training Timmy, the master would let him know that although he is destined for great things, he must take them in SMALL doses. Take it slowly, not try to take the world all in one go. He is young, reckless and will make mistakes. 5- Keep the subplot about Martin turning evil. It would be the result of experiments done by a mad doctor at NIMH. When Martin gained super intelligence, he would have killed the doctor and taken over his work. Thus adding a DARK element to our story. So when Martin is redeemed, he realizes the horrible deeds he's done. So, how about it? Would those changes have helped the movie? Even a little?

[@TED_Frames]

ExplorerDS6789 Would certainly retain the dark themes of the first movie.

[@DalekTheSupreme]

Needs to have the Eric Idle song. _"Yes!"_

[@arkfounder7056]

The biggest issue with Nimh 2 is because of how ridiculously silly, I would of loved seeing the world explore on how more experiments were being done and what were the results. And I like the designs of thorn valley, had if the writers didn't get so silly with their work, especially with the singing being added which should of never have been thought for the film. Nimh 2 is one of the most silly written films I've ever seen that weakens what Nimh of both book and movie is supposed to be.

[@maximusdork3336]

ExplorerDS6789 you're hired.

[@missmoxie9188]

TheDreweMaster or they could have made the second movie based on the book

[@tristanhartup4936]

Preparation for watching this movie: One loaded handgun One black jacket One SWAT helmet Knuckle dusters One cricket bat signed "Amber" Some Hot Fuzz music And the Death Star on standby.

[@thecinematicmind]

Tristan Hartup Now that is badass!

[@HeilRay]

You forgot enough cyanide capsules for you and the entire Death Star.

[@Cajek2]

Tristan Hartup some vodka, too

[@mattmeaney1962]

To wash down the cyanide?

[@davidvargas7165]

don't forget the bleach

[@ShuriBear]

The key on... key off joke was the most genius joke ever.

[@augustwest5356]

ShuriBear not even close. damn you have low standards. do you know what genius even means?

[@ShuriBear]

August West rough day?

[@NylaTheWolf]

I dont really get the joke... Can you please explain it?

[@sonatamoon8187]

NylaTheWolf He's joking that his voice kept going off key. I personally didn't hear it, but I did think his voice was really lazy. Not Carole King in the Care Bears Movie level laziness, but still really lazy.

[@proudtobeme1ashkente]

Adding to Sonata's comment, the original movie the Critic was parodying, Karate Kid, has Mr. Myazaki (I might be confusing his name with that of Hayao Miyazaki) say: "Wax on, wax off".

[@lollypopp4240]

I didn't even know secret of nihm had a sequel

[@jerrie1533]

Molly Miller Unfortunately.

[@blossomingbeelzebub]

Molly Miller well, i guess there is a reason for that haha

[@tristanhartup4936]

Well, you do now

[@MetalheadCinemaniac]

And just like that your life is now a little sadder

[@lollypopp4240]

Some Guy tru😢

[@KyleRayner12]

You know, I normally think that Idle and Cleese are wasting their time voice-acting in these movies, but I get the distinct sense that they handed Eric Idle the complete script (at least for the bits he was in) and his response was, "That sounds absurd. Sign me up!"

[@JustASammy12345]

Worst of all, this concept actually had really much potential to be good. Ignore the stupid prophecy, just don't have it. Give Mrs Birsby more credit, include her other kids more, keep the dark tone and keep the characters to the people they were in the first movie. It could have been a good movie about the son of Jonathan and how he comes to NIMH after it's only shown in a Flashback in the first movie. Could actually have been really good if they would have kept the style and the tone of the first movie, AND NOT TURN HIM INTO MESSIAH

[@zfrometa8316]

2:16 Ridding each other's Nuts

[@BlueButterFlyXOXO]

And they're young bo.........oh god.

[@lunidentified5842]

WEISS SCHNEE *throws up in corner* Welp ok

[@njintau]

Looked like they were riding those nuts pretty hard too. ;)

[@Outlaw7263]

+WEISS SCHNEE Phrasing

[@MasterJunior93]

phrasing, boom!

[@ruyekahatori3073]

"single-handedly saved Thorn Valley" except for Justin, Jenny, and all the others rats who came with to aid Timmy and help out

[@mettatonneo1147]

Ok, Nicodemus was a wise soul, and knew when a lot of things were gonna happen. But you know what? *HE SURE DIDN’T KNOW WHEN A BRICK FELL ON HIM AND CRUSHED HIM INTO A NICA-PANCAKE!*

[@manicpixiefangirl4189]

So that's why Krennic was so grumpy in Rogue One, someone made him watch Secret of NIMH 2 one too many times so he just had to have a Death Star so he could blow it up. Makes sense.

[@bigoldinosaur]

I can only imagine the amount of alcohol that was consumed when Doug and Rob first viewed this.

[@MrXemnas1992]

I've seen someone who not only thinks this sequel is better than the original; but think it's the greatest film of all time...and attacked the NC over this review. This is the world we live in people. :/

[@MrRenegadeshinobi]

MrXemnas1992 and people wonder why I don't have any faith in humanity.

[@thomashuffman3237]

MrXemnas1992 That kind of person is one I like to call a "fantard".

[@TED_Frames]

MrXemnas1992 Why does he like the movie?

[@jake06750]

He's an idiot. I've never seen either Secret of Nimh movie but even I can appreciate the original for its amazing animation and cool looking story. This... is just trash and never should have been made. Don Bluth had no involvement at all in this shitty sequel thankfully.

[@adamsedor8247]

i'll find this person you speak of and send him to the Gulags

[@britanyfreeman2699]

There was actually a couple of sequel books after the Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH, including Rasco and the Rats of NIMH in which Timmy is a major character in the book, but there aren't many parallels between the plot of the book to this aside from Timmy.

[@TheMrMister]

Don't lecture me, Timmy! I see through the lies of the rats. I do not fear science as you do. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire.

[@anthonyrodriguez1119]

Mr. Mister Timmy:your new empire?

[@Mailed-Knight]

Martin: Don't make me do a musical!

[@anthonyrodriguez1119]

Grim Knight Timmy: Martin my allegiance is to thorn valley. Too those imbeciles!

[@Mailed-Knight]

Martin: If your not with me, then I'll just bang your girlfriend.

[@anthonyrodriguez1119]

Grim Knight Timmy: Only a DVD sequel could be this stupid...... I will do what I must.

[@r3n3gad33]

In retrospect, Mrs. Brisby should have let Timmy die to prevent this film from happening.

[@benm5970]

So Martin just patiently waited years and years for Timmy to come stumble across his lair and discover his evil plan before actually carrying it out?

[@nickclark18]

no u

[@DimT670]

Oh yes single handedlly. Only jenny and like 5 other mice helped you. Ofc single handedly

[@TED_Frames]

Shadow Gamer That’s exactly what I thought. And like Doug, I’m annoyed that Mrs Brisby didn’t get any credit for her bravery in the first movie.

[@MsCaptainChase]

Also, dear god, the animation of Timmy's mouth while he's singing is terrifyingly awful.

[@puppyhowler]

he's just randomly flopping his jaw around...

[@MsCaptainChase]

Yes! And opening his mouth WAY too wide for whatever vowels he's singing. It just looks sooooo bad.

[@puppyhowler]

it's like, JEEZ whoever animated the mouth clearly hasn't had any proper animation classes. they should have known to ONLY exaggerate the movements during moments of the characters being super loud!

[@ejc9536]

Fun Fact: Mrs. Brisby in this film is voiced by Debi Mae West, who also does the english dub voice of Tsunade in the Naruto franchise.

[@arrow_of_ravenclaw5155]

“Hogwarts isn’t that good of a school” You know what, I agree. It’s whimsical when you read the books but in reality it would suck. I think I’d have a better shot surviving at a school ran by the ex death eater

[@WolfBitesAndSleepyGraves]

Not to mention how little practical stuff they learn. They all know magic but they hardly no any science, history, maths et cetera. Can't imagine how many of them would end up cleaning floors for a living.

[@arrow_of_ravenclaw5155]

@@WolfBitesAndSleepyGraves a lot of the people end up getting jobs in the magical world but yeah probably everyone who wants a muggle job is screwed

[@WolfBitesAndSleepyGraves]

@@arrow_of_ravenclaw5155 exactly. Not to mention that if that's how wizard school has always been they probably rely heavily on the muggles for everything.

[@WolfBitesAndSleepyGraves]

@@arrow_of_ravenclaw5155 exactly. Not to mention that if that's how wizard school has always been they probably rely heavily on the muggles for everything.

[@yvetteihemesinwa2981]

Don't even get me started on all the safeguarding issues. Children have literally been killed in this school. Many times. If OFSTED came to visit hogwarts, it would have been closed down. Hell, dumbledore would probably be sued or put in prison.

[@daftoptimist]

I can’t believe we went from this beautiful, mystical story about science, magic, and a courageous single mother’s love to - THIS. This is shameful.

[@genosauce_colada]

I remember this episode...man I'm feeling nostalgic!

[@nickybuttons6443]

Nostalgic for the Nostalgia Critic. Heh.

[@princessthyemis]

me too! XD

[@SirKirk2000]

sticky “It’s free real estate”

[@deshawnedwards6412]

Anybody here after watching the first Secret of NIMH review?

[@sickboy7104]

If his father didn't know he was a chosen one, how come Timmy needs to?

[@imnothereactually]

It's in the script.

[@somerandolad]

The chart says...

[@LightningNerd]

Funnily enough, this movie is technically based on an actual book (though very loosely). There was a sequel to "Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH" (yes, her name was Frisby in the book) where Timmy was the main protagonist. However, it kept the dark tone and had a pretty different story.

[@Enter_the_Toshiverse_1996]

I think the twist of Martin being the villain could've worked if he was the prophesied hero, he could've become arrogant and narcissistic from all the unearned praise and demanded to be placed in charge of Thorn Valley. Then, he still gets kidnapped by the scientist and turned into a villain, only it would've made more sense since he was already powermad. And then Timmy could find out and go rescue him

[@nooneofimportance2110]

I have to give them credit, they managed to fuck up my childhood. Yeah, this isn't the Secret of NIMH, it's sequel rape. The Secret of NIMH, The Land Before Time, An American Tail, all of them are singular movies with no sequels, only inferior, evil, misshapen clones that need to destroyed on sight.

[@nooneofimportance2110]

+Chino Cocoa Damn Right!!

[@calebkopp7636]

NooneofImportance ...An American Tail has a sequel.

[@nooneofimportance2110]

+Caleb Kopp Reread the post. There are numbered "movies" calling themselves sequels. They are not.

[@Indurok]

NooneofImportance I didn't think the sequel to An American Tail was that bad. At least it's better than this sequel film. The Land Before Time, I can definitely agree with, though.

[@ruthrichardson9717]

The LBT sequels weren't all that bad 😊

[@taqu]

Wait.. Martin here is singing and telling me _"You'll be happy, nice and happy"_ . So is this the answer to the question in the Jack and the Beanstalk, posed by the ordained minister, _"Are you hapPY? Are you happPY?"_ Well, I don't know! Stop telling me what to feel, children's animated movies with talking animals!

[@victorm152]

He reviewed that one too

[@sabrinaking1873]

Before this movie's done, their plot will be unwhirled by the dawning of the sun. To Takeover the world. They're Timmy and the Brain, yes Timmy and the Brain. Their Twilight campaign is easy to explain. They show their lazy work, writing characters as jerks, They're wimpy, they're Timmy and the Brain, brain, brain, YES! (I know it sucks, but I wanted there to be a second verse.)

[@emmarose4234]

Thanks!

[@brainbomb.]

19:38 This is a good and un-answered question considering that she did two major things for the rats that helped them journey to Thorn Valley. First, she drugged Dragon's food. Now this changed everything because any other mouse would have probably ran sooner. And if she had ran a bit sooner, she probably wouldn't have been caught by Billy, and then he wouldn't have put her in "PoRgY's OlD cAgE" (which allowed her to listen to Paul's conversation with the people of the National Institute of Mental Health). That way, she wouldn't be able to warn the rats, which was the second major thing she did for them in the morning.

[@Vytina]

Eric Idle as Martin was absolutely the best part of this movie's second half. He was completely out of his mind, enjoying every minute of it, and his song is ridiculously catchy (and a visual trip down crazy lane).

[@thetargetmangle9837]

People could feel Jonathan rolling in his grave.

[@Phantom.Gaming64]

It's been a long while since I last watched Nostalgia Critic. These old reviews gave me laughs when going through tough times, and it's nice to watch them again 😃

[@myst9900]

TBH I am really not suprised that this one was bad because it came out during the dark age of movies and was a sequel to a great masterpiece and we all know what happens to many of those. Still a crying shame regardless.

[@StrayGuitarist]

0:25 "YOU'RE BETRAYING THE LAW!"

[@Mailed-Knight]

I AM THE LAW!!!

[@stormRed]

Not the book, it BUUUUUUURNS

[@thetargetmangle9837]

*_THE POWER OF SEQUEL COMPELS YOU!_*

[@adamsedor8247]

@@thetargetmangle9837 NO!!!!

[@NY4Life]

0:06-0:29 GREATEST PREPARING FOR BATTLE SINCE HOT FUZZ! 13:07-17:31 Highlight of the review!

[@gokuxsephiroth4505]

Going to make an unrelated comment here: WAS Harry treated like a prodigy in HP? I always took it as everyone going "Holy shit, you lived", not everyone expecting him to be the messiah. He was praised a lot fo his quiddich skills, but there's a difference between being good at sports and being a messiah. In regular classes, he did about average, if I remember right. But yeah, Hogwarts is a terrible school- a giant monster attacking students and most places would begin with mass evacuation, but Hogwarts is like, nah. Isss fine! XD

[@Lauren_210]

Defense Against the Dark Arts was the only class Harry got an Outstanding for on his OWLs (and the only class to surpass Hermione in), but you're right. For most of his other classes, he did about average.

[@PSIHedgehogChris]

Not to mention that on Harry's first ever day at the school, before he's even assigned a house, the headmaster says "By the way, don't go to a specific hallway on the third floor unless you want to die horribly" and Harry's the only person who's like "WTF?"

[@gokuxsephiroth4505]

@@PSIHedgehogChris Isss fine XD every school has a faulty hallway or two. Some have flickering lights, some have a death sentence - isss fine!

[@jbcatz5]

@@Lauren_210 And he did even worse in Potions because Snape was always breathing down his neck, and allowing Malfoy to antagonise him. Harry wasn’t even universally seen as a hero. A figure of fascinating for sure, and celebrated for his talent on the Quidditch pitch and by Lupin for DADA (Lockhart was firmly into sponging off his fame), but there were plenty of times he wasn’t very popular.

[@RainbowEssence-c3w]

"By the way, how's the Harry kid turning out anyway?" *cuts to clip of Harry screaming while under attack by a Dementor* Point taken.

[@robo_y2k]

Had they gone further with Martin's character it could have been a good story. It seems like they were far more interested in making a hero's journey than a NIMH sequel.

[@sammylane21]

I refuse to believe that this is Eric Idle of the famed Monty Python!No!i refuse to do it!

[@SuperWolsey]

Onore, Astro Boy!!!

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

Would you believe he is Merlin in Shrek 3?

[@Tornado1994]

Burn,Hollywood,Burn the same year.

[@zackrules4797]

He also voiced Devon from Quest for Camelot and one of the Wildebeest from The Wild.

[@LLCCB]

I'm glad I didn't know this existed. Now, I can never forget.

[@jerrie1533]

Cat B From all of us, sorry.

[@adamsedor8247]

at least we have the first film, the far superior and better film

[@MsAbixxx]

The utter disrespect Mrs Brisby gets in this film is fucking awful! Yes Doug, where the fuck is this woman's statue?!!! She is one of animations greatest mothers along with Hana from Wolf Children! Giving her the shaft and just calling her Jonathan's widow and ignoring everything she has also done for the Rats of Nimh makes me want to hunt down all the writers involved in this mess and punch them!

[@cyborgninja5489]

Wow and why do people think ideologue feminists are crazy and violent again?

[@Cyber_Horse_Studios87]

17:05 ...I honestly wish this could become its own mini series for some reason. XD

[@nolandavis1129]

So Timmy's destiny was to go to Nimh and do nothing?

[@nothin2do101]

I feel like the brother is faking being good only to take out Timmy when he least expcted it.

[@Mailed-Knight]

The secret NIMH 3: Martin's Reckoning.

[@nicholasmaddocks7545]

8:40 here's another plot contradiction. Why are the rats stealing food. Wasn't the whole point of the first movie that it was wrong to steal? So that they may live without stealing? For "self sustaining" intelligent rats, they seem to be still dependent on humans.

[@angryjellobear9353]

Sorry Doug, gonna have to correct you there. Hogwarts did not treat Harry any differently than they would any other student. Sure, a few teachers mooned over him a couple of times when he started at Hogwarts, a process that was repeated with every new DADA teacher that came in, but Harry was treated like any other student.

[@HeilRay]

They should of treated him differently, a fucking warlord and his crew was after him and anyone near him or in the way. Should of set of the Avengers Initiative before the avengers movie did.

[@noellepoquiz3189]

Leo Welch If anything, he was treated worse by some teachers. For example, Snape, Quirrel and Umbitch

[@angryjellobear9353]

Noelle Poquiz exactly. Also, like how you called her Umbitch

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

HellRay Except it was revealed that the only way he even survived at first was because of self sacrifice. Not exactly a superpower. It can be given to literally anyone.

[@angryjellobear9353]

HellRay first of all, Voldemort was believed to be DEAD by the majority of the magical community. Second, Dumbledore sent Harry to live with the Dursleys b cause his mothers magic kept Harry safe there until Harry was either 17 or he didn't consider the place home anymore. Read a book why don't yah

[@OctacleEdits]

It’s hard to believe this flick is the first animation role for a super talented voice actress who went on to star in Teen Titans, Adventure Time, & Kid Icarus Uprising.

[@CassyVilAudios]

Honestly, you did a little too well with that Pinky & The Brain parody--I would totally watch a show about this Eric Idle Crazy Mouse and his Wimpy "Hero" Brother, as long as it's separated from this shit.

[@visemarraellaeris3644]

Secret of the Brain: Pinky to the Rescue.

[@Flowerbarrel]

There’s a book sequel by O’Brien’s daughter where Timmy actually does to to Thorn Valley for school, but there are a lot of other rats and mice who attend school there. I enjoyed it and say it’s worth a read.

[@thomasrogers8465]

do an old vs new nostalgia critic

[@HGShurtugal]

Old wins

[@romolus7255]

HG Shurtugal agreed

[@adambump5297]

New stomps

[@huebydooby3363]

Old definitely. Much simpler, just Doug, funnier jokes, more bizarre and out there, and no liberal snowflake political humor.

[@freddiefaulig8751]

New wins

[@simbasorariku3]

Major Spoiler Alert for Attack On Titan: If the Beast Titan hadn't been treated like a Messiah, he might not have become evil

[@MrWill9002]

Uh, wrong guy. I think you mean Eren

[@collinsnider4179]

The Pinky and the Brain reference was so hilariously accurate

[@RavenRants]

how many people came back to watch this one again 5 years later, after he finally reviewed the original?

[@dancinglizard6034]

that intro tho 😂👌

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

I was mad! This film should have been a brother film like Onward. The two of them should have been the main characters, and perhaps one of them could turn evil at a later date, you know after actual character development!

[@shadejakva9367]

Martin's back to normal with a bandage on his head at the end? Did the rats do a lobotomy on him or something?

[@ingloriousMachina]

Eric Idle was possibly my favourite of the Monty Python blokes, and it's always fun to see him flip his shit. But HOW did they rope him into that dumpster fire? Was he actually bankrupt, or did they convice him that it would be GOOD?

[@johnstriker480]

18:15 my reaction to Game of thrones ending xD

[@JustASammy12345]

So had never seen Secret of NIMH before. So halfway through this review I took off and watched the movie, now I returned and damn.... I hate the sequel even more after having seen the original.

[@Camogirl4234]

20:03 "The only thing that is remotely interesting about this film is Eric Idle doing the voice of Martin" I agree that with you that the movie is pretty bad but I honestly, personally think the cats are the best characters and incredibly funny! 🤣 Great job and R.I.P. Harvey Korman Great job Andrea Martin!

[@diegobareno5820]

Part of me felt Timmy had some kind of underlying potential.

[@jaredargento1511]

4:58 - 5:20 : Here's the thing. Harry was not raised lovingly to begin with (seriously, it's cruel how badly the Dursleys treated him). Therefore, when he found out that he was famous, he didn't let that fame go to his head too often, if ever. And it's because of the way he was raised that he turned down Draco Malfoy's offer to be friends (seeing too much of Dudley in him), put his own life on the line multiple times to save his friends and the world he never knew he was born to, and even let the man who killed his parents kill HIM (or at least attempt to) if it meant putting that man one step closer to his downfall.

[@nichlasrasmussen3078]

If you pause at 20:24 you can actually see that some of the flowers and leaves wasn't even colored!

[@Senjuina77]

Nichlas Rasmussen WOW O.O that's a new level of sequel-bad...