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@chopsworth3833 Жыл бұрын
Oddly enough, the Brigand is also the best thing in the Death Guard army too.
@Daniel88563 Жыл бұрын
Yes another DG player bringing a knight!! I've had such a better win rate using a knight!
@vardaangupta7128 Жыл бұрын
They are so good and needed for the army, I ran 3 pbcs some death shrouds the Lord of Virluence, and some brigands. I am winning so much
@rizzington15 ай бұрын
The damage is to swingy for me, they either do 17 wounds or whiff, I find the Karnivore more consistent and gnarly to rapid ingress.
@johnhildenbrand26424 ай бұрын
@rizzington1 I dunno man, death guard really doesn't need more melee, we have that in spades, what we need is anti-tank fire at range, which brigands offer, sure karnivores hit hard, but so do deathshroud
@NornQueenKya Жыл бұрын
In the battle of giants, its the tiny dog biting at heels who is king
@snokbert2906 Жыл бұрын
I know as factions go we are in an okay spot, but seeing our army rule feel like an afterthought while we are pressured on taking so many brigands doesn’t feel great.
@keyanklupacs6333 Жыл бұрын
I mean you can still take Stalkers, huntsmen, the melee dogs. Three of your big knights are still competitively costed. Rampager isnt bad just not top of the top in terms of cost.
@snokbert2906 Жыл бұрын
I certainly can and I do. I like to have variety in my lists so 6 brigands isn't for me. And you're right, I really like the rampager for what it is. But addressing your points, when I take the other dogs, I feel like there just isn't a great point to it, from a competitive standpoint at least. Not everyone's preferred way of looking at it, I know, but I'm mostly against pretty strong armies, custodes, space marines (strong against knights at least) imperial knights etc... so that does matter to me. Karnivores cost more and the other dogs losing weapon skill and AP really hurts their consistency. And as for competitively costed big knights I'm not sure, I felt like they were competitively costed before, but, except for maybe the despoiler, I felt like the points increase was a lot more than they deserved. The heart of what I'm not happy with is that I struggle to find a reason to take a different model or models that isn't just 'I like it more'. That's great, but I don't feel like I have to make any strategic give and take choices in list building. @@keyanklupacs6333
@eo8240 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it really feels like 9th edition lite right now. That said though i feel like there's more freedom with the lists i make. I've managed to have fun games with entire big knight armies, used my tyrant almost every game and found uses for pretty much every knight in a lot of different lists. The buffs war dogs get from larger knights can make for some great combos. I'm definitely disappointed by the army rule (and battleshock in general) and the points changes but im still making the most of it. In fact the points cost in particular gave me the shits. We're paying because of Imperial Knights. The despoiler does not deserve to be that expensive. Nowhere near as powerful as people make it out to be. Also, Karnivores slap. Nothing more satisfying than running up to a tank and just tearing it in half in one turn.
@MrHoneuma Жыл бұрын
Are we though? We're barely holding onto our 45% winrate and for this past week it was 43%. We're on the weaker end, and got punished because of Imperial Knights being too good.
@eo8240 Жыл бұрын
@@MrHoneuma I mean in casual games its fine, but in competitive games it's definitely a struggle
@LysimedVenteel Жыл бұрын
I like that Auspex felt the need to label the Chaos Lancer with the mark of chaos to designate it as Chaos when you can see the Eye of Horus popping out there anyway
@SquidGangRiseUp Жыл бұрын
And we were so close to not just having another War Dog meta like in 9th before they nerfed everything with Towering into oblivion. I swear it's like they make these Knights datacards without wanting anyone to actually field a single, ACTUAL knight.
@ryza7760 Жыл бұрын
yeah they've ruined chaos knights again, luckily I only really play with a single friend so if/when j wanna play a knight or play knights I'll just undo the points nerf and not use the stupid towering rule. I don't know a single person who enjoys towering. it literally just removes an aspect of the game.
@keyanklupacs6333 Жыл бұрын
Because towering is a legitimate problem yeah.
@Darkja Жыл бұрын
@@ryza7760 I do the same, i play with only a few friends and we just use the original points and dont implement Towering and we have a lot of fun playing knights (imperials or chaos), such an easy solution... no wonder GW will never implement it.
@keyanklupacs6333 Жыл бұрын
@@ryza7760 "ruined" is a strong word. They're going take a more indepth look in sepetember. If your points are still shit after that THEN I think you have a right to be angry. The towering nerf was just sort of a quick fix and three months of a meh list isnt that bad in the grand scheme of things.
@ryza7760 Жыл бұрын
@@keyanklupacs6333 they aren't gonna do anything to ck. wardog spam is keeping their win rate out of the bottom 10, which is enough to make sure they're overlooked. look, what happened in 9th, they didn't even touch ck again iirc. you really think this company has gotten less lazy?
@spoonsrattling Жыл бұрын
so real about the random stubber being the only weapon to hit and deal damage
@valaquenta220 Жыл бұрын
We FINALLY had a good reason to use our big knights this edition despite not being nearly as good as imperial knights !...and then we were caught in the crossfire, and now we're back to spamming wardogs... Maybe one day I'll be able to use 3 big knights competitively as a ck player...
@jackofn0trades29 Жыл бұрын
Working on my first Chaos Knight RN!!! Shame the Abommy mommy ain’t doing too good rn, but I’m glad I magnetized it!!!
@theomen49 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately war dog spam is always going to pretty good, so that's keeping our win rate up and will leave us untouched. I would say our faction rules outside of the knights of shade stratagem are almost useless and besides taking a single desecrator or castigator you are actively hurting your list bringing any big knights.
@Chunkypumpkinhead Жыл бұрын
The old problem Chaos Marines used to have with Cultists. When it's very easy to vapourize the big tough expensive guys, why not spam the little effective guys instead? Basically Knights will never be viable over Wardogs as long as knights cost 3x the points. Codex Wardog.
@kylewells6871 Жыл бұрын
When the chaos knights codex came out in 9th I bought the army box, painted them up as House Lucaris, had a load of fun playing them. Then I bought into daemons when their codex came out. Needless to say I'm in a pretty happy place with 2 strong armies that I can swap allies back and forth with depending on how I feel like playing. I like running a tyrant, desecrater, 4 brigands, and 2 karnivores. Give tyrant aoc and desecrater sticky objectives. My daemons right now is belkor, bloodthirster, lord of change, shalaxi, nurgle daemon prince, and 3 brigands. The 3 characters that can take enhancements do so. I'm having a ball lol. Would love to try an all war dog list though, just need 3 more boxes of wardogs (( wink wink ))
@Grimpo96 Жыл бұрын
Is it just me or did the Imperial Knights steal our “Favor to the Dark Gods”? The one thing we had going for us and the imperials took it 😂
@smatting2627 Жыл бұрын
Finally got Patreon set up as to get entered in the drawing. Would be so happy to get set up with some Chaos Knights!
@GrimmDestiny8 Жыл бұрын
Always happy to see more Knight videos
@Phoenixillusion18 Жыл бұрын
I just finished my paiting Abominant in Tzeentchy color scheme and since I started my Thousand Sons army I wanted to ally him there until I get more units. It will deffinetly be a mistake but it should still be fun.
@timunderbakke8756 Жыл бұрын
I’m a thousand sons player thinking about knights and sort of starting this way, although I’m using knights as an excuse to go wild and paint something unlike my usual fare
@Chunkypumpkinhead Жыл бұрын
I play mostly Slaanesh Daemons, and I ally in a night as way to A) get guns, and B) distract distract distract while the daemons get close. Daemonettes even see combat sometimes when there's a knight on the board giving them coverfire!
@Phoenixillusion18 Жыл бұрын
@@timunderbakke8756 knight are such an awesome project. I played Sigmar alot but randomly I wanted to to tackle one big project... and i chose a Chaos Knight ... as my very first 40 model. then slowly got enough of them to have a functional army . But they are such a joy to paint and kitbash
@FormerGovernmentHuman7 ай бұрын
Abom just got buffed luckily! Doesn’t really matter to me though I just have one because I think they’re sick. What does matter to me is world eaters got a huge nerf for no good reason…
@joncarr55456 ай бұрын
How did it get buffed? Was there a data change ?
@Birri919 Жыл бұрын
One thing to ad to the improved AP not being that impactful for the Melta for the Brigand AP -5 means that big targets without an invulnerable can't save anymore or only saves on 6 instead of 5 in cover. I'd say that's fairly big.
@transnosaurushex Жыл бұрын
Ah sweet, I just started Chaos Knights! :D
@13Joshman Жыл бұрын
Actually took home a tournament with these guys last month. List was -Despoiler w/ thermal cannon, chainsword, ruinspear pod, panoply of the cursed -Desecrator w/aura of terror -Brigand x4 -Huntsman x2 -Executioner Huntsmen were surprisingly effective, and using the despoiler as a distraction unit panned out very well.
@Forestxavier20 Жыл бұрын
Remember ya gitz, if they iz pointing the shootas at our stompa, they ain't gonna see us coming up and krumping them! We'z gots to be like Mork, cunnin' but brutal
@raggedkarma Жыл бұрын
Cheeky use of Brigand’s “closest eligible target” is with Dread Hounds, because the brigand(s) _must_ target a specific unit, that makes it by definition the closest eligible target…
@impish4804 Жыл бұрын
Hmm the hardest part is finding a target making the use of both weapon relevant 🤔
@yaboigilgamesh9525 Жыл бұрын
Any videos on chaos daemons coming soon? There hasn't been any 10th edition coverage since the datasheet leaks
@auspextactics Жыл бұрын
Yeah, they're the next Index review on the agenda!
@Chunkypumpkinhead Жыл бұрын
@@auspextactics Might it be worth mentioning Knights as allies in Daemon lists? They fill all the holes in Daemon rosters very nicely. Especially since you can take 3 wardogs in a Daemon list.
@eo8240 Жыл бұрын
Dual wielding Gatling cannons are incredibly nieche i've found with the despoiler. Unless you're firing into squishy infantry they do bugger all. I guess against orks, nids, guard and GSC they might be useful. That said i had a squad of neophytes kill mine in one turn before it could fire thanks to GSC being crazy meta right now.
@DerUberSternАй бұрын
Brigands, Desecrator + Long Leash, and a Castigator or two. Bring the comedy as you reroll your 1s and sustain your hits. Truly, Brigand is Brigand Tier.
@user-if2yv6ws1b Жыл бұрын
Brigan and Disicrator best friend
@hotcoldman9793 Жыл бұрын
MY FAVORITE ARMY WOOOOOO BIG KNIGHT GO PEW PEW!!!
@FallynBarratt Жыл бұрын
So war dogs are great, cool good to know. Now if we could actually BUY them from somewhere that would be better. Other than the ridiculous prices on ebay I havent been able to find them anywhere. Apparently they have been out of stock for a really long time.
@battle_buddy Жыл бұрын
As someone who runs a 2000 point all war dog army these tiers check out
@ironslugg9371 Жыл бұрын
Managed to go 4-0-1 at Leeds super major a few weeks ago with CK. Have say I think the tyrant is one of the best units in the army
@ethanwesthoff74445 ай бұрын
Would love an update after the balance dataslate and the points changes.
@Saltism1 Жыл бұрын
I laughed at the name of the last tier, it's absolutely correct, but I blame that on internal balance and that we don't have enough choice out of the bigger knights
@keebo_tv7499 Жыл бұрын
Very informative. Such a lovely army it's my dream army def
@hobbithubby5076 Жыл бұрын
I’m a fan of a big squad of Flamers, a Changling, then fill in the rest with Wardogs.
@benjaminvindahl3447 Жыл бұрын
Every big knight in tier 4 and all War Dogs in tier 1. All big knights are hilariously bad compared to the small knights.
@ca11rl776 ай бұрын
Lancer, despoiler, stalker, 2 Brigand, 1 huntsman, 1 carnivore, and pink horrors plus a changeling
@robert1790 Жыл бұрын
I love big knights
@isaacgraff82883 ай бұрын
I am going to have to double check because I am seeing two different point lists for the Knights.
@wizoxx9923 Жыл бұрын
Thanks you for that, I wanted to play Chaos Knight but I'm not a really good player so thanks for help me to know what units is playable and what is not. I'm pretty sad for the Abominant that I really love, but I sweat it will be buff somedays. Oh, I forfait to Say that I'm french so my english is probably Bad, and my automatic corrector don't help me
@McRazor64 Жыл бұрын
Hi there! Is the Admech tierlist planned anytime soon?, these spiky robots are an ofense to the Omnisiah, would love to know how to beat them! Love the channel btw!
@SergioHernandez-gv4ev Жыл бұрын
Been waiting a min for this
@328crash21 күн бұрын
I run 2 brigands in my khorne army alongside my khorne soulgrinder and 2 skullcannons. "Why yes, my Khorne army DOES know what the shooting phase is
@dainepalinkas578711 ай бұрын
It's with noting that I support your patrion because you put a lot of work into this and provide a great service to the community as a whole. With that being said I've never wanted to win a give away more than this!
@correctedsun Жыл бұрын
Run the Abominant in a Thousand Sons army and use Twist of Fate for big memes.
@drdotts8878 Жыл бұрын
That is fun but what was even more fun was taking a despoiler with double rapid fire battlecannon and using twist of fate
@woahhbro2906 Жыл бұрын
As a World Eaters player, please please please do not nerf the Brigand 😢
@fernandozavaletabustos205 Жыл бұрын
It is time for Chaos Giant Robots!
@Kibbet21 Жыл бұрын
Knight tyrant is just such a fun shooty unit though tbh
@PeteOfDarkness Жыл бұрын
Shooty variant is superior due to lack of "NothingPersonal, Kid" Relic Valiant IK have.
@Kibbet21 Жыл бұрын
@PeteOfDarkness nothing quite like a. Seeing an sm player oath a planopy tyrant and b. Hear that the damage is d6+8
@padraicdungan897511 ай бұрын
Good news is the knight tyrant is allowed the -1AP now
@PeteOfDarkness Жыл бұрын
I feel like Karnivores should cost 150, and Brigand 160. Probably wouldn't change that much, but people would not just slap 6 Brigands (and maybe some Stalkers, super cheap AND are characters) as autoinclude
@lassemelson5668 Жыл бұрын
but u cant bring too many stalkers as that would make the enemy pick assasination and bring it down fixed missions
@lassemelson5668 Жыл бұрын
Dunno why ud want to take stubbers when u can have 10+ havoc launchers that can wreak havoc on back objective holders or other soft stuff
@Tehstampede Жыл бұрын
I play CK and watching an Abominant get torn down in melee because someone has Anti-Psyker 2+ is both hilarious and depressing
@lilv39666 ай бұрын
What’s the point to the Rampager having two melee weapons if it can only use one
@darthquado Жыл бұрын
When I'm deciding what kind of war dogs to add to my world eaters, my mans is out here doing his best to help. What a guy! Lol 👏👏👏
@grayw00f Жыл бұрын
Same here man, lmao. War dogs provide amazing fire support with general chaos shooting feeling so anemic
@darthquado Жыл бұрын
@grayw00f now I just have to find a box that isn't over priced lol
@grayw00f Жыл бұрын
@darthquado7516 ain't that the truth. People are trying to sell New in box war dog kits for $200+! I like my shooting, not that much 😂
@darthquado Жыл бұрын
@grayw00f yah I'll just spam what i can get my hands on...zerkers lol zerkers in rhinos for everyone!!!
@grayw00f Жыл бұрын
@darthquado7516 everybody's talking shit until I walk up with 60 legionaries 😂
@carloago8305 Жыл бұрын
To everyone that says CK pays because IK were to good: The problem is the towering keyword, not the IK army. In fact every towering unit have seen a significant point increase. Sure the IK rules are better, I'm not denying it, but the real problema were the point cost mixed up with the towering rule.
@ralfsstuff Жыл бұрын
Is there any reason to use knights over tanks or vice versa? I want to get some big stuff for my csm
@GrimblyGreeble Жыл бұрын
Knights are big and stompy, and also an opportunity to get a big centerpiece. Currently working on a house Perdaxia lancer for my alpha legion.
@kylewells6871 Жыл бұрын
Def go with the knight, tyrant is a bully but its hard to go wrong with 2-3 brigands in any chaos army.
@kylewells6871 Жыл бұрын
Wardogs are moving a minimum 12", T10, 12W, brigands and karnivores hit on 2s, can deliver a better tank shock than any tank, and have a 5+ invul at range. For between 135 - 160 pts.
@Spearbob Жыл бұрын
Lies! 3 Rampagers, a Tyrant & a Karnivore.. rampage!!
@ocularorb4021 Жыл бұрын
LETS FUCKING GOOOo
@christophertidwell2422 Жыл бұрын
My current list is 3 brigands one desecrator one tyrant and one lancer
@lassemelson5668 Жыл бұрын
u cant be winning much with that setup?
@christophertidwell2422 Жыл бұрын
@@lassemelson5668 haven't played it yet but thats the list
@lassemelson5668 Жыл бұрын
@@christophertidwell2422 u will have big problems doing secondaries... focus on the 3 small knights and u have no boardpresence
@christophertidwell2422 Жыл бұрын
@lassemelson5668 I have three brigands with assault to get across the board and the th tyrant to get rid of at least one thing
@wephilips6651 Жыл бұрын
Is it worth getting a knight or something to add to my black legion army?
@jasonmangelsen7136 Жыл бұрын
Do you find the stalker being a character a positive or negative to its placing?
@OGXenos8 ай бұрын
At the moment its probably a negative. Only one War Dog model can take an enhancement, and most enhancements are worthless on a single War Dog. Which means it can get hit by Anti-Character attacks for no real benefit.
@moshelandon2956 ай бұрын
I don't really get the hype around the brigands, sure they have 2+ attacks but they're also lacking in melee. I generally play against the Tau and I would much rather play a huntsman.
@danielfarrell35342 ай бұрын
The problem is the Huntsman's melee is poor. Better to have the Brigand's gattling cannon instead. Especially as it has the 2+ BS. I only take a Huntsman when points run out for a Brigand.
@ryoumisakiGP Жыл бұрын
Look how they massacred my boy Abominant...
@mkulchar Жыл бұрын
Pretty much all war dogs are good since the big nights got NERFED by imperial and Wayover priced now and not worth it
@tomkara1090 Жыл бұрын
The main issue of the CK is that thier main rules are crap. If they want to make a faction centered around battle shoock they should have some sort of stacking mechanic and have the BS tests be taken at the end of every movement phase. Right now the only thing that holds the faction together is the strength of their datasheets and with the big knights taking the blanket nerf war dog spam is the way competitively. I want to see some pts dropping, especially from the abominnt. He really needs to go back to about the 390 mark
@Chunkypumpkinhead Жыл бұрын
I've been having fun using Knights as allies for exactly the reasons you said. Army rule sucks? Dump it. Ally 3 Wardogs in to a Daemon or CSM list and let them rip face without even worrying about their garbage army rule. Just a big sheet wrecking stuff while your Daemons teleport in extremely close and regenerate wounds, or while your CSM load the right ammo for the job or whatever.
@MrHoneuma Жыл бұрын
Honestly, tier 2 feels to high for Executioners. They're pretty much worthless. They struggle to kill even Guardsmen since theyre only ap1 on the autocannons. You can get better units to screen out of demon allies. Moirax is overcosted, but Executioners are the only genuinely bad War Dog.
@davidcanty7903 Жыл бұрын
Brigands best unit is Death Guard and World Eaters
@justinrockholt7055 Жыл бұрын
I guess they sold out on abominants and thus gave them crap rules. Once they get them back in stock, I’m sure the points will improve
@ryza7760 Жыл бұрын
nah tbh the reason it sucks is because volkite is just worthless lmao. if it was a plasma blast gun then I'm sure it'd actually be okay. not good, because gw refuses to let big knights ever be better than wardogs
@justinrockholt7055 Жыл бұрын
@@ryza7760 I was trying to make a joke, given the abominant is the new, shiny big knight, and it's been given rules that are apparently not good, so clearly they don't need to sell anymore. I don't play the game, i just like listening to auspex on my walks, he makes videos long enough that they just fade into white noise.
@ryza7760 Жыл бұрын
@justinrockholt7055 ooohhh hahaha, right, i forgot they did that
@lohikaarmeherra-175323 күн бұрын
Just came here to vent that Brigand bs 2+ is oppressive as f@ck. Fix please. Melta never misses.😮