Chapter 17: Cat, Rat and Dog | Prisoner of Azkaban

[@superpotterfan7435]

Y’all are literally saints for recording episodes in the studio in addition to the live versions. As someone who has a really hard time understanding what is being said in most live recordings, this makes all the difference in the world.

[@viccie211]

I love the movie's addition of the lines: "I DID MY WAITING! TWELVE YEARS OF IT! IN AZKABAN!!!" I'm sad that that is not in the book itself.

[@titanks3]

Gotta give you credit for "lines" in this comment. Well done.

[@Katielovegood44]

Rest in peace Maggie Smith. You brought such warmth to Mcgonagall.

[@animatedpsychologist]

Ohhhhhhh, I didn't know. Omg. 😢

[@haniapopowska8966]

🖤

[@mistv901]

This is one of my favorite Ron chapters of all time. He pushes Harry out of the way of the rabid dog, thinking it's going for him. Breaks his leg, he gets dragged underground, stands up on a broken leg against a murder, pushes Harry behind him in an attempt to protect him with his body, demanding you have to kill us too. I love him so much!

[@VerneditheSnail]

It is criminal the film adaptation downplayed Ron's courage & sacrifice, to instead make Hermione look stronger.

[@bjdefilippo447]

@@VerneditheSnail The movies constantly made him look less in so many ways, while making Hermione more, giving her his lines, etc. I suspect they thought it was better for a "children's" movie to have simpler characters, rather than more nuanced ones, but it's really frustrating.

[@mistv901]

@VerneditheSnail I remember seeing that in the theater with friends. I literally stood up in the theater and gasped at the screen. One of my friends had to tug at my arm to get me to sit back down. Never would have done it otherwise.

[@superpotroast]

​@@VerneditheSnailIt's because Steve Kloves (screenwriter) didn't like Ron much and Hermione was his favorite character..So hence, she took most of his best lines and moments..

[@kimgrod]

YES! Book Ron rocks!!

[@FenDweller13]

I would like to mention that there is one other major time where Harry is so overtaken by rage and pain that he could’ve killed, when Bellatrix killed Sirius and Harry cast his first (mildly ineffective) Unforgivable Curse

[@ginnyjollykidd]

And found that righteous anger doesn't make a good outcome. You have to enjoy causing pain.

[@Orangeninja5000]

Ben: Why do I lose the J vs Bens? Also!Ben: When I start my re-reads, I usually start at Goblet. Ben, that is why.

[@ZoranBlackRose]

J has also sad thats where he starts quiet a few times lol

[@Orangeninja5000]

@@ZoranBlackRose Not as much, I've also heard him mention before when he's in Philosopher's and shit

[@RancorSnp]

I believe this series may be the first time since starting the channel they read the physical book, instead of listening to an audio book too, which I am sure doesn't help focus on tiny trivia details

[@ZoranBlackRose]

@@RancorSnp since they started this channel? or Super Carlin Brothers? Cuz Super Carlin Brothers is 12 years old I don't think they went 12 years without reading the books at all.

[@IdaSantti]

​@@ZoranBlackRoseno, they said at the early epsidoes that this is the first time

[@Kyeian]

i don't get how dismissive everyone seems about Ron's pet; the rat that he's had 90% of his life. sure, it's a trash human, but these kids are like what? 13? the rat's been there 11 years. Ron grew up with that animal being there. and Hermione can be a twit about other peoples' pets--like, "it doesn't effect me, your emotions are irrelevant."

[@bootlegdouglas]

Thank you. My family had cats when I was growing up - 2 sets of 2. I only ever *really liked* 1 out of the 4 of them, but they were still family and whenever they got hurt or got out of the house I was worried. When they started to get sick as they aged, I was really upset. I had friends who had senior dogs when they were kids; they didn't play with their dogs every day and were kind of annoyed they had to clean up messes more often, but they absolutely still cared. Adolescent boys don't know how to express care or love, but they certainly still feel it. It's bizarre to me how easily they brush aside Ron's feelings about an animal companion he's had at his side for years just because he's not super enthusiastic about what he thinks is his family's incredibly old, non-magic rat. I also don't understand why they act like Hermione is ever in the right about it. She had no extra knowledge or superior intuition, she was just being a shitty person. If you treat someone like garbage because of their race and then find out later that they're actually a murderer, you're still a racist and you still suck; you don't get to claim retroactive moral high ground for hating them for unrelated and unjustified reasons.

[@JAMISRA]

i think it’s because people don’t see rats as anywhere near as intelligent as cats and dogs even though they’re much more similar than most people would expect

[@kable_t.v.]

Well to be fair, Ron only got "Scabbers" as a hand me down from Percy when he got Hermes as a reward for becoming Prefect. So Ron has only had him as his pet since book 1. Sure "Scabbers" has been around Ron for nearly his whole life but even Ron kinda resented him as a hand-me-down and never showed much care for him until now. Even the rat tonic at the begining of this book seemed like an after thought. Hermione wanted to look at Owls and Ron was like "well, if we are going in there I might as well have him checked over".

[@lukeroberson2115]

​@kable_t.v. That's still two years as his pet. And enthusiastic or not, it's q pet she didn't care that her pet ATE.

[@RancorSnp]

I really do not think the carlin bros count as "everyone". In all honesty - if there is one thing that I learned from this series is that neither of them own pets, and frankly - really shouldn't own pets

[@jefferycampbell9677]

Please Please PLEASE! do a "what if Harry had killed Sirius" video. In the universe, he would be hailed as a hero and probably fast tracked to auror/order of merlin, but then the eventual revelation of his innocence would be such a good inner conflict for him. What a video that would be!

[@RancorSnp]

That'd be an interesting one for sure

[@xAbbieCx13]

Ooh I second this, would love to hear their thoughts

Those videos mostly focus on big plot points, so there might not actually be that much here. They always make prophecies come true regardless, so either Peter breaks free anyway or Barty (which they already have in a "What if"). In book 5, Voldemort would just send visions of having captured someone else and other than that, Sirius has not much plot relevance for the rest of the series, right?

[@jefferycampbell9677]

Hmm. True. But voldemort would probably come back in more secret. If peter would just escape that night without being revealed. A couple of people had seen him on the map, but there was no proof or explanation. There would be more ministry involvement at hogwarts with the tri wizard the year after because of Harry etc. Idk. I was thinking more of when Harry eventually learns he was innocent.

[@josephj.prioli1823]

27:04 to 28:12: Nox and Putting out Lights I would suggest that prior to Swan and Edison, there really wasn't much need to create spells to treat "light" elementally. Rooms were lit by candles, oil lamps, or torches, all of which may be easily extinguished magically... whether by directing a puff of air past the wick, or by levitating a snuffer over the flame. Depending upon whether Albus invented his deluminator in his youth, this could actually represent primary, foundational research into treating light directly and elementally, rather than as a by-product of a flame.

[@Molnek]

So should we go with a King Killer or Dresden Files joke? Both are really good at the difference between light and fire.

[@blitzwinger999wright6]

Or, if you’re extra like that, aguamenti the shit outa that candle

[@UnfazedPhoenix]

Good point! I'm glad someone else also addressed this. There's a discrepancy here where J counts the Fantastic Beast movies as canon for evidence in theories, then simultaneously says disregard something that happened in the main movies as that is not canon. I agree the main movies aren't canon, but neither is Fantastic Beasts. It's a movie series based off of nothing which wasn't even finished lol. I'm just curious what other people think about that. No hate to the Carlin brothers I'm a big fan

[@UnfazedPhoenix]

​@@blitzwinger999wright6 yes they have that as well as an extinguishing spell, and Ventus a charm that creates a gust of wind.

[@BeastlyP1g]

To be fair to Sirius, this is likely the first conversation he has had with another human being in 12+ years.

[@Liz-pc3dc]

Exactly the point I wanted to make 😊 Being subjected to the dementors all the while too, it can't have helped the communication skills 😅

[@RiseeRee]

Idk he was okay enough with speaking to ask Fudge for his newspaper.

[@BeastlyP1g]

@@RiseeRee I don't think he asked for the newspaper, he was just in the room and saw the front page.

[@Datenauflauf]

​@@BeastlyP1gdidn't Fudge himself say he asked him for the newspaper when they (Harry, Ron and Hermione) overheard the weirdest group of people in the three broomsticks?

[@BeastlyP1g]

Just checked, you are right. Fudge even says he is surprised how normal Black appeared.

[@inkaviolet]

Yeah, but Ron didn't know that, and he actually was acting on instinct to protect Harry, because in his mind Harry was the target. Speaking of hate Harry felt - did you notice that he never expressed this level of hatred towards Peter, who not only betrayed his parents, but also helped Voldemort regain his body? Disgust, yes, pity too, but not hatred. Was it because Peter wasn't James' best friend or because he saw what a sad excuse of a human Peter was?

[@kimgrod]

Oh, good points.

[@tekbox7909]

I think cause he got it out of his system that evening so to say. When he next meets Peter he has also matured significantly

[@richewilson6394]

Dumbledore must have wanted Voldemort to think that the prophecy was worth something so he could focus his energies on that versus other places in The wizarding world. While he could get all the good wizards together in time because of the fact that fudge is not taking it seriously. So by having him focusing on the prophecy delays Voldemort just a little bit. It's kind of like how the allies fooled Hitler into thinking that they were going to invade The closest entry into Britain and Europe versus Normandy.

[@NamesAreHard3037]

Agreed. On a similar note, as long as Voldemort doesn't know the whole prophecy, he's left with a seed of doubt for the rest of the series. Doubt can be pretty powerful at undermining someone.

[@kiweping5]

Fun fact, if you have an iPhone you can say lumos, and nox, to Siri to turn on and off your phone light

[@kangalotto]

It works on android phones too

[@Boundwithflame23]

Accio followed by an app name works to open apps. Though I don’t think it works for everything. I tried it with Pokemon Sleep and just got the little google search pop up thing. But it worked for others like Netflix and Twitch and Discord. Idk maybe it’s just Poke Sleep

[@42speedybeattie]

There is the way to turn off lights. Peruvian darkness powder.

[@forestgrump4723]

That’s not turning off the lights that’s blotting them out. If I drape a lead curtain over a lamp that doesn’t mean I turned it off

[@jankatkaromka]

54:00 the thing is that Dambldor told James that there is a traitor among James's friends. James thought that it couldn't be Sirius and was right. But the fact that they chose Peter as a secret keeper tells that they thought it was Lupin. And Remus is understanding it in that moment. And Sirius understand it too. That very heartbreaking for Lupin.

[@TheKabuto90]

No, what was said was that there was a traitor within the Order so it could have been anyone. The reason why Sirius suggested Peter as the secret keeper is ironically the same reason why he turned traitor, because he's a coward and the least likely to be suspected of any of them.

[@jankatkaromka]

@@TheKabuto90 but they didn't tell Lupin. That means that they at least had suspicions about him. Werewolfs been known to take Voldemort's side.

[@TheKabuto90]

@@jankatkaromka Agree to disagree I guess but I don't really think that's a totally fair reading of the situation.

[@EloImFizzy]

With Pettigrew being universally hated for decades at this point, I feel like people are very biased against any scenes in this book with Ron and Scabbers. Ron finally got Scabbers back again after thinking he's been dead. Of course he's going to chase after him. If your dog disappears are you going to be like "Welp. Guess he doesn't want to be with me anymore..." and just leave it at that?

[@sawanna508]

When I read that scene I understand Ron is happy and relieved to have him back. Eventhough I have been defending Hermione a lot. I know it is Peter but still I feel kind of a joy when they find him. I only wish Ron would appologize to her even if he though the evidence were crystal clear.

[@animatorxstudios100]

I think we can all agree that when Harry bust through that door, he should have said 'Hit-Wizard!!'

[@jfo1344]

I always imagined that the Shrieking Shack existed long before Lupin was ever a student at Hogwarts, and that the passageway to it and thusly the Whomping Willow were not in place until Lupin's first year. I imagine that the house may have been haunted centuries before Lupin but had then maybe laid dormant for quite some time before he, in his werewolf form, occupied the building. It doesn't make much sense to me that Dumbledore would have had the house built specifically for Lupin. It's also hard to imagine that the Shack would gain the reputation of being "the most haunted building in Britain" after only 20 or so years had passed. I think Dumbledore would have capitalized on the notion of the house having once actually been haunted in the very distant past and then maybe profligated the rumors that it was haunted once again in order to sway people from investigating too deeply and discovering Lupin and his affliction. Love the podcast so much! And please never stop talking about Name Of The Wind, in fact please talk about it more!!!

[@kiweping5]

The reason why preventing Voldemort from getting the prophecy is important is because it forces Voldemort to focus on the prophecy rather than other stuff like killing people. Voldemort is afraid the prophecy will say how Voldemort will be defeated or something like that, so he has to be very careful while trying to get the prophecy, so he keeps killing and other operations to a minimum

[@wickedsmokr6934]

This is probably my favorite chapter from my favorite book in the series. Harry has hope for the first time in his life.

[@lacklustermathie]

1:02:20 We're not really given a hint before Deathly Hallows that Harry's Cloak is special or that normal invisibility cloaks degrade over time. I believe in Order of the Phoenix that Moody mentions that one of his cloaks is "better" than the other one, but that could also be as simple as one cloak being larger or something. Rowling is pretty good at setting up stuff that will happen in later books, so since she didn't set it up, I say she didn't think of it ahead of time. All we need is a character that Harry could reasonably use the Cloak with, and could plausibly recognise that something was a bit off with it, and would mention it to Harry. Cho Chang is such a character. All you need is for Harry to plan to spend some time with her after a DA meeting, and to bring the Cloak so they don't have to worry about curfew. Ron knows the typical shortcomings of Invisibility Cloaks, so it's perfectly reasonable for Cho to know them, too. All Cho has to do is ask where he bought the Cloak, have Harry say he inherited it, and have her mention that Invisibility Cloaks don't normally last that long. Then, Harry just shrugs, and they go about their business. Rowling could even have misdirected by having Harry wonder if the Cloak would fail at an inopportune moment. All this said, I don't see why the Cloak has to be more powerful than Moody's Eye or the Marauder's Map. They're all magical artefacts, doing their own thing. Harry, Ron, and Hermione can see each other while they're under the cloak together, so why can't Moody's Eye also see "from inside" the Cloak, or the Map know that they're there, while still invisible. The Cloak doesn't stop the user from taking up space.

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

People tend to think "older = better" in magic artefacts. That's why

[@keithg460]

It's supposed to be better because it is a Hallow, made by Death himself. For it to be THE invisibility cloak would mean that it should be better than other magical objects. Especially if the point of the cloak is to prevent Death from finding you. Therefore, it should be infallible, not just last longer than other cloaks.

[@lacklustermathie]

@ But the Cloak was made by Ignotus Peverell, not Death, at least according to Dumbledore in King's Cross. So there is no reason that "loopholes" or "corner cases" can't thwart it. Someone drops a plant on Harry, Ron, and Hermione during the Battle of Hogwarts, and they get spotted. Presumably, someone could conjure some paint or soot and spot someone under the Cloak. That's kind of a cheap loophole for Death's Cloak, but a perfectly reasonable limitation for a man-made Cloak.

[@bjdefilippo447]

I suspect that Dumbledore was particularly protective of Harry's childhood in part because of his own. I don't remember how old he was when Arabella was attacked, costing her childhood innocence, but the result was Dumbledore's father being sent to prison. Albus & Aberforth then may have lost part of their youth having to be her caretaker, which we know felt stifling to Dumbledore, and resulted in part in his disastrous relationship with Grindlewald. It may seem ridiculous to us to not give Harry at least enough facts to keep him safe and help him make good decisions, but such decisions are made all the time by governors & school boards across the country who will approve only abstinence--based sex ed, or take a "just say no" approach to drugs.

[@eweasel1]

There are 15 types of willow. The Weeping willow (native to china) and the Yellow willow (native to North America) have branches that hang down. The Whomping Willow as shown looks abit more like a Goat willow that does not have hanging branches.

[@RancorSnp]

Let's be honest though, that's the most boring and least dangerous of all willows. Can you imagine a normal weeping willow attacking you with hundreds low hanging, long and dangerously thin branches?

[@eweasel1]

@@RancorSnp I agree. but I can also understand why they would use a willow native to Europe.

[@sawanna508]

At also looks like a pollard willow (which is a special cut of some willows like basket willows and white willows). I have seen willows like these before but mostly on pictures. How would a weeping willow support a car landing on it. -Didn't know those are chinese thank you for educating me.

[@Laura-pk2fd]

Interesting, thanks!

[@malcolm32]

Here's a question: Harry has Sirius at wand point, Sirius is defenseless, Harry is mustering the nerve to kill the man who took his parents from him.......what spell was he going to use??? Harry doesn't learn about the killing curse until the following year and even if he had known about it, he couldn't have used it effectively at his age (says Crouch-Moody). Anyway, I seriously doubt third years at Hogwarts are being taught any form of lethal magic. What was the plan, Harry? Point your wand really hard and hope you have another outburst of accidental (but on purpose) magic? 🧐

[@IdaSantti]

Excatly!

[@TheKabuto90]

I'm due for another rewatch as It's been a while, so my memory isn't perfectly clear, but in the movie I'm pretty sure they added in a line about handing him over to the dementors.

[@oofiethetroll2059]

@@TheKabuto90 I don't think so, I think he says that about Pettigrew, but I'm also due for a rewatch so idk.

[@fhbirsidha]

20:51 A true Griffindor, wand on one hand and gun(sword is outdated) on the other

[@Zeke_O3773]

I agree with the guys. It almost feels like Lupin, Sirius and Snape knew they were going to meet up and they were stalling for time until they all got there. 😂😂😂 By the time Snape got there, Sirius was running out of vague ways to say that Peter did it. “So one could say that I am going to kill someone that sleeps in the Gryffindor common room…” Meanwhile, Snape is at the bottom of the stairs listening to Sirius and Lupin vamping, laughing his butt off.

[@Zeke_O3773]

Also, I’d say that the angriest that Harry felt in the whole story was at the end of Order of the Phoenix when he’s yelling at Dumbledore over Sirius’ death. I’m a proponent for speaking truth to power but even I was like, “Jeez, Harry, rein it in, bud!”

[@sawanna508]

@@Zeke_O3773 He is extremly angry in the 5th book all the time. He also beats up Malfoy busting his knuckles. And even in the 6th book there is a lot of jealous anger in him when he sees Dean with Ginny. he pictures his feelings/desire for her like a beast in his chest.

[@Kylie-kq6dm]

I'd say the most Harry feals after is his hate for Snape. He first found out he told Voldemort the prophecy (so the same thing he hated Sirius for) and then he killed Dumbledore. And Harry does the same things:He wasn't afraid he hated Snape "more than he hated Voldemort" he was trying to hurt Snape as much as possible not caring that he was running into the deatheaters arms.

[@mollydugan6144]

An hour-and-a-half ep of Through the Griffin Door for me to listen to while I knit sleeves for a sweater! Thank you, J and Ben!

[@jasoncraig2281]

Elf-sized, I hope?

[@rozeuly]

Lupin is waiting on the wolfsbane potion that snape brings him later at 1:01:28

[@Flaming_Pulsar]

Fun fact: the hanging or weeping willow that you're likely more familiar with is actually a mutation. Most willow species actually do have a more upright position like a typical tree, but humans took a liking to the weeping variety and so we've cultivated certain trees to weep (other weeping trees include the weeping poplar, weeping hemlock, weeping maple, weeping acacia, weeping cherry, and weeping peach) See Minute Earth's video on it for more info :3

[@thirteenthandy]

Neat thing about movie-Dumbledore extinguishing and relighting the candle: there's real physics that can make it happen (with just a little magic): If you wave your hand over a candle, of course you can put it out with the air movement, which will leave a narrow trail of smoke. A muggle with a match, or a wizard with a little flame spell, can put the fire in the smoke trail above the candle and the candle will re-light. Try it some time, it's a pretty fun trick.

[@RancorSnp]

Yeah, overall I think it's a bit silly to use Dumbledore extinguishing a candle as an example of a spell that "extinguishes light", even if it was canon, there's many much simpler ways to make the candle go out than to snuff out the light itself ^^

[@kimgrod]

Cool beans

[@Amlock87]

I just saw Prisoner of Azkaban in theater today. My theater is showing a HP every Sunday for the next couple of weeks.

[@bjdefilippo447]

Very cool! Was it because of Dame Maggie Smith's passing?

[@Amlock87]

@bjdefilippo447 no they usually do it around Halloween

[@TheEddie1910]

Here‘s a big thing that just occured to me: There was at the very least one person who KNEW that Peter was the secret keeper, because Peter must have told her in order for her being able to visit the Potters regularly while they were in hiding - Bathilda Bagshot. Dumbledore may not have visited and may have received the cloak via mail or directly from James, maybe even before Fidelius was implemented so he may not have been given the secret by Peter but Bathilda canonically has, as proven by Lilys letter. (Also why didnt Lupin just call on Dumbledore via talking Patronus when they were in the shack-he would easily have saved it all)

[@riluna3695]

One way they could have done this without anyone knowing: Peter writes the secret on a piece of paper and gives it to Sirius, who then passes it to whoever needs access, treating it as if he wrote the note himself (the handwriting issue can be dodged numerous ways, thanks to magic existing. or just forged by hand). We know this note-passing strategy is enough to reveal the secret because it's how Harry is told of the Order's location by Dumbledore.

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

Will they blame Ron for Hermione's BS in this episode of "victimising a 13 year old who did nothing wrong because all the evidence suggested another 13 year old's pet killed his pet that his brother gave him and he did everything to protect and that other 13 year old refused to take responsibility"? The Hermione bias is crazy. You wouldn't be so dismissive if the evidence said Crookshanks killed Hedwig

[@bradleylong1727]

The brothers aren’t pet lovers, Ron’s pet rat being eaten may as well have been him loosing a sock in the dryer

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

@@bradleylong1727 It really does come across that way

[@ilianag5680]

I don't know ... They don't seem to care about pets in general. Last video the comments about Malfoys "weak plan" have stuck with me. They literally said "it's just a Hippogriff".

[@juhaetelaniemi7532]

I think the biggest problem with people not being able to understand Ron's point of view on this one is that we can't go back to the moment we first read these books. We now know, that Scabbers is actually Pettigrew, who betrayed Potters, and framed Sirius for it. We know that Scabbers didn't actually die even though it looked like he died. We know that Crookshanks has a good reason to be constantly hunting Scabbers. So nowadays when we are reading the passages about Crookshanks trying to catch Scabbers, we slide into the mindset of "what a shame that Crookshanks didn't kill that rat", or "Ron, you're defending a murderer, why can't you see it?".

[@bradleylong1727]

@@juhaetelaniemi7532 that is post talk rationalization and it bothers me

[@ulrikruby]

46:47 I think he is a bit more emotional after Bellatrix kills Serius, otherwise the crutiatus curse wouldn’t have done anything.

[@Boundwithflame23]

It didn’t really do much to her though. Compare that to when he used it against Amycus Carrow after McGonagall got spat on. It had way more of an effect than when he used it on Bella.

[@simunjiii]

​@@Boundwithflame23 I think the lack oft effect is because he never did an unforgivable before. Bellatrix even responds with "Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you boy?". In my mind he learns, that he has to put more intention into the spell in order for it being effective and therefore he succeeds the second time. Additionally Bellatrix is probably good at fighting the curse too.

[@Boundwithflame23]

@@simunjiii but she says something about righteous anger too

[@loopylinguist7716]

I get where you’re coming from with Harry not killing Sirius, but I think a big part of it is he hasn’t even learned about Avada Kedavra yet so I don’t think he’d even be able to kill him.

[@IdaSantti]

This is what I wanna know, how did Harry think he would kill Sirius. Or does the seconds just get longer because he keeps thinking of a spell that could work 😂

[@jaredwonnacott9732]

24:08 Nothing you like less about the movies than the Whomping Willow scene? Really?! On the same movie that ends in a freeze frame of Harry on his firebolt for the first time?!

[@bradleylong1727]

The brothers have some very strange takes about things

[@atme365]

Haha the freeze frame is so weird

[@failurenotsorry6600]

i don't care about the lack of concern for pet loss, not everyone is empathetic or sympathetic and that's okay. but to be so shitty to ron about losing his pet is getting on my nerves.

[@AustynSN]

Not just his pet, but possibly a family pet. Ron did inherit "Scabbers" from Percy. Given how long Pettigrew had been hiding at that point, Percy might have even inherited it from Bill or Charley.

[@UnfazedPhoenix]

HIS PET IS A MURDERER DISGUISED AS A RAT. It isn't a real pet.

[@UnfazedPhoenix]

​@@AustynSNHIS PET IS A MURDERER DISGUISED AS A RAT. It isn't a real pet.

[@AustynSN]

@@UnfazedPhoenix Yes, I know that. We all know that. However, at the time, neither Ron nor Hermione knew that. It's a matter of people's reactions when they did not know that.

[@yayajosh]

Why do you guys keep insisting that a 13 year old shouldn’t care about their pet dying? It’s one of Ron’s, what, two or three possessions? Also, he’s 13. Lol all of this not only reasonable but expected.

[@RancorSnp]

I do not think that being 13 even matters at all, any respectable pet owner SHOULD care, regardless of age

[@Saruska323]

It's the same thing that gave me the ick when they kept repeating "why is Harry so afraid of being kicked out of Hogwarts?" I mean, as a victim of abuse, it's literally the last thing you want to do - go back to your abusers. That's why so many of us run away or take their life. Why WOULD Harry be okay with going back? Age 11 is when my suicidal thoughts began, it's when you became perceptive of the world around you more. It disappointed me when they took it so lightly.

[@yayajosh]

@@Saruska323 thanks for sharing. That’s an important perspective. I think sometimes we forget how much Harry’s experience with abuse impacts who he becomes in life.

[@PcCAvioN]

​@Saruska323 they mentioned being the sons of a news ancor. Aka upper middle class happy home with loving and responsible parents. They really do not understand even half of what life can do to someone

[@yayajosh]

@@PcCAvioN I’m not here to bash J and Ben lol it’s all in good fun. just wanted to offer up a question for them because maybe they haven’t considered that

[@Musicteachersheff]

How did Lupin not seeing 2 Harry’s and 2 Hermione’s on the map not come up!!!!!???? I need an explanation for this! If he was looking at Hagrids then the 2nd Harry and Hermione should have also been on the map!

[@Rezkeshdadesh]

Maybe he did, but he's a teacher and is aware of the Time Turner, but seeing Peter was the bigger issue. Lupin, James, or Sirius may very well have taken extra classes and needed a time turner, and you know they would have used it for mischief if they could. My thoughts are that Lupin wouldn't care about that.

[@42speedybeattie]

As a teacher, he might have been informed of Hermione having the time Turner and to ignore any oddities in her behavior.

[@MrKahrum]

.... because: LUPIN DIDNT HAVE IT!! gave it to Dumbledore basically immediately, probably. definitely brought it straight there, both to brag about having made it, and to show him Peter. Proof: he knew how far back Hermione will have went.

[@PerovNigma]

1) As others have mentioned, he would have been informed of Hermione's use of the Time Turner. 2) If Harry stuck to close to Hermione, hiding in the bushes, then her name label may have obscured his. 3) Maybe the Marauder's Map won't register two of the same person at the same time.

[@thunderflare59]

He was specifically looking for them going to Hagrid's hut, so that is a good point.

[@musearrives2am]

JK Rowling once said that the sorting hat has only made 7 mistakes and sorting Snape into Slytherin was one of them. Assuming that would have made him a Gryffindor, I wonder how that would have changed his relationship with Lily and the Mauraders.

[@riluna3695]

Where was this said? Last I heard the hat _never_ makes mistakes. Hearing Rowling herself say that it officially has (in her view) is very interesting indeed. Although I must say, Snape not belonging to Slytherin is a hard sell for me, so I'm not yet sure how much I'll be able to trust this intel once I have it...

[@musearrives2am]

@@riluna3695 I believe it was straight out of Pottermore in the article about the history of the sorting hat.

[@kimgrod]

I’d wager Snape ASKED to be placed into Slytherin

[@musearrives2am]

@kaillah Okay, so this is the Pottermore entry: "The Sorting Hat is notorious for refusing to admit it has made a mistake in its sorting of a student. On those occasions when Slytherins behave altruistically or selflessly, when Ravenclaws flunk all their exams, when Hufflepuffs prove lazy yet academically gifted and when Gryffindors exhibit cowardice, the Hat steadfastly backs its original decision. On balance, however, the Hat has made remarkably few errors of judgement over the many centuries it has been at work." So there's a nuance to this article which I think is where people extrapolated the headcannon from, which implies that while the Hat will defend its choices, that doesn't mean exactly that it is always right. It makes FEW errors, not none. It also names the traits that would be unlikely for people of certain houses to have, and we do get examples of within the series of people having traits outside of their house. Pettigrew was a coward despite being a Gryffindor, Lockhart flunks academically despite being a Ravenclaw, Hephzibah Smith is certainly lazy for a Hufflepuff (granted she is a small but crucial character) and you could argue Snape is the best fit for not acting entirely like a Slytherin. But my question was hypothetically what would change if Snape had been a Gryffindor? Even if it is a fan theory made by reading between the lines, its hard to track since a lot of this has been retconned outside the text of the books, like Hermione being a hat stall despite it never being mentioned in Book 1.

[@musearrives2am]

@kaillah Ooooh, I really like the idea of Snape essentially having the same experience as Harry does with Draco in reverse. Where I'm kind of stuck in the Hat is wrong or right debate that while JK says its never wrong, there are the hat stalls, which are when the hat can't decide where a person should go for several minutes, with it confirmed on Pottermore that Pettigrew, McGonagall, Hermione, and Neville were all hat stalls. But then if the decision to put someone in whatever house is that close, it really has to come down to choice to a certain degree. Even when you compare it to Illvermorney, they has four statues that come to life when approached by a student if they feel that student would be a good fit for their house. And there are cases of more than one or even all of the statues coming to life for certain students, and the student is just directly told to just choose one of the statues for themselves. What I'm saying is, kind of like the Ron being in Hufflepuff storyline the SuperCarlinBrothers already have going on, the house all the characters choose to be in seems far more based around their motivations and values they have in that moment when sorted than who they ultimately become in the long run. But afterwards it seems inevitable that students would lean into the traits of their house more after sorting just because that is the environment they are living in for their formative years in Hogwarts. It makes me wonder if Snape would have a slightly difference worldview if he wasn't around the Slytherin purebred influence all through school to alientiated him from Lily.

[@Tylerthephantom]

"That's a muggle's gun." *AvadakaBLAM!

[@Eden_Carson]

Muggle wand

[@topknotg5530]

I used to reread the series at least once a year, but since Through the Griffin Door has started I have only been doing one chapter a week and then following up by listening to your episode about that chapter. I never had your experience growing up, with somebody reading out loud one chapter at a time and then putting the book up. I don't even remember ever having been read too, I assume I was at some point but it would have been when I was so young that I couldn't read on my own yet. So doing one chapter a week is such a strange experience for me, it reminds me of being assigned a novel in school where they would make people take turns reading out loud in class and it took forever to get through the story. Like I remember in middle school being excited to get Jurassic Park and reading the entire book in one day. It was only something like 350 or 400 pages, not a very big book, but for somebody who is accustomed to reading several books a week the 1 chapter a week approach is such a foreign concept. And then I think about the one chapter a week for a 7 book series and realize that means it is going to be several years before the story is finished... it is hard to remain that patient.

[@bryanwoudstra8305]

the movie willow is a knotted willow, its a process of cutting off branches so they dont grow too long and rip the tree appart. its a thing i do with my job during february

[@kable_t.v.]

Who is getting close enough to the Whomping Willow to do anything to it. I feel like Sprout and Lockhart getting near enough to treat it after the car crashed in it is hard to believe.. Sprout maybe, but Lockhart definetly would have been swatted across the grounds by that tree.

[@bryanwoudstra8305]

@@kable_t.v. lockhart doesnt stand a chance. i like to think sprout did it during harry's years at hogwarts but nevil did it when he became a teacher herbology

[@kable_t.v.]

@@bryanwoudstra8305 Neville approaching the tree with pruning shears: "Why is it always me..?"

[@bryanwoudstra8305]

@@kable_t.v. oh thats amazing😂😂😂

[@bryanwoudstra8305]

@@kable_t.v. though i think he'd need a chainsaw

[@Colinkrauss1]

20:27 “Breaking his gun with a sound like a gun.”😂

[@EileenNestman]

Just listening to the best podcast out there, lounging in my hammock, drinking hot cocoa, and munching on craisins, with a pillow and throw blanket, in the crisp autumn air.

[@ilianag5680]

Oh my god! I said it in a previous video, and I'll say it again: Why are you so callous towards pet loss? I mean Scabbers turned out to be the villain, but Ron didn't know! All those "Hagrid is doing too much for Buckbeack" "Malfoy enjoys the conviction too much, it's just a Hippogriff"! and now "Ron you already mourned you still care?"!!! Honestly guys, what is wrong with you? I've loved your videos and insights for sooo many years. And now you do us dirty like that?

[@bradleylong1727]

The brothers just aren’t pet lovers, animals are just a cool looking thing and they can be replaced just like any other object

[@failurenotsorry6600]

it's their perspective, and it's fine. i just really don't like how they blame ron.

[@bradleylong1727]

@@failurenotsorry6600 Agreed

[@atme365]

​@bradleylong1727 thats so voldemort of them 😢

[@bradleylong1727]

@@atme365 Well they are in Slytherin

[@ZoranBlackRose]

Its always bothered me that Dumbledore always did what ever he could to get information on Voldemort but never once went to question what was widely believed to be on of Voldamort's top men and the one responsible for a killing a family that Dumbledore was personally trying to protect. That could be a fun what if. What if Dumbledore went to question Sirius after his arrest.

[@DoftheLin]

I feel like people forget that Sirius was tortured in Azkaban for like 12, 13? years? of course hes gonna be a bit socially off.

[@briancassidy4958]

Good excuse for bad writing. Characters acting completely nonsensical for the sake of making the scene more dramatic

[@TheAymanRahman]

This is probably the best chapter in all of Harry Potter. Can’t wait to listen to the whole thing at once!

[@margotmackay]

“He said grimly” is an example of a Tom Swifty. Look them up - they’re really funny!

[@Datenauflauf]

Thank you for the suggestion!

[@abhilashabs8789]

Yayyy.. another long episode to listen to and brighten my evening!!! You guys are the best

[@bellemcknight1628]

The tree in the movie is a pollarded willow, which have those upward pointing branches.

[@itsallme1234]

1. I don't think harry thought this "kill sirius" plan through. How? there's no way he knows any lethal curses. what's the plan here, tickle hex him to death? 2. I think this moment is actually a great one for Ron and Hermione for reexamining their prejudices. Once they meet a werewolf, they realize how much their assumptions color their opinions. 3. That's no rat. It's a space station!

[@alexandercharizard3617]

In Book 1 Hermoine summons fire on multiple occasions. If Harry knows that spell, he could burn Sirius, i guess. Malfoy managed as a second-year to summon a snake, so maybe Harry can do something similar? There are some ways to get creative, even without the killing curse

[@JAMISRA]

@@itsallme1234 I agree he didn’t think it through but there are ways Harry could kill him. he could disarm him, levitate him high into the air, and drop him to his death.

[@RiseeRee]

This is a real Tom Riddle line of thought lol! You don’t need magic to kill someone. Tom himself would’ve done better if he just yeeted baby Harry instead of trying to use magic.

[@bjdefilippo447]

Ron does the same later with giants, while Hermione has learned from the werewolf situation.

[@xAbbieCx13]

I always read the chapters before watching the podcast and even though I knew it was coming that last line gave me chills. As someone who grew up only with the movies and didn't read the books until much later in life, I can only imagine what it must have been like for people reading this for the first time.

[@xAbbieCx13]

Also, I've never really thought about what that must have been like for Lupin, losing everyone he loved in one night, suddenly having no one. That's so heartbreaking to think about.

[@qs2668]

25:02 is he? is he having a ruff time? are you sirius about that?

[@sinistersurfer9249]

Thank you for listening to the feedback about the live shows! The SCB team goes above and beyond, and I for one, very much appreciate it! Y'all are the best.

[@pixywings]

RIP Maggie Smith! She will be greatly missed!💔 Prisoner of Azkaban is my favorite book!

[@sheldonneeley1902]

“That’s a muggle’s wand.” 100% accurate.

[@Tylerthephantom]

This could be an interesting what if? "What if Harry killed Sirius when he had the chance?"

[@christophermillett7386]

Invisibility cloak, not imperceptibly cloak. Why would the map’s magic be tied to light alone. The map is tied to Hogwarts in a way that nothing else we know is. If Hogwarts can feel their presence (even the weight of their feet), the map will know.

[@Anza2700]

This is right about the 1 year anniversary of this podcast

[@Nerdnotwashere]

GOOD MORNING EVERYONE!!!!!

[@maja-kehn9130]

Good Afternoon from Germany.

[@sotaveturi]

It's 5pm

[@ObsessiveGeek]

@@sotaveturiTime is different in other places around the world , UK time right now is 15:31

[@jordanbenoit8868]

​@@ObsessiveGeek so 3:31?

[@ObsessiveGeek]

@@jordanbenoit8868 no. 15.31.

[@AliAngelpie]

Fun fact: Rowling based the prejudice against Lupin and his being a werewolf off of people who were diagnosed with AIDS. People were afraid of them and judged them even if they meant no harm, which is insane that Hermione and Ron would treat him coldly. True he’s killed by a Death Eater and not a disease, but he’s still an outcast in the Wizarding world

[@kalebzerger301]

What are you guys talking about?? What kind of person just gives up on their pet because they already assumed it was dead and then find out it went missing instead? It is Rons pet, they don't know anything about Peter besides he died!

[@failurenotsorry6600]

i can see where someone would give up, but the guys are not making good points here

[@riluna3695]

Their logic is that Ron has been complaining about the rat the entire time he's had it. He's SHOWN no love for Scabbers, so they're surprised he seems to suddenly care so much now. What they're missing is that he simply didn't openly show the love he actually felt. Maybe out of embarrassment for caring about a "silly rat", or maybe because he has the emotional range of a teaspoon and didn't know how to. I have no trouble at all believing he either cared all along, or suddenly realized how much he cared once there was a threat of losing him. That's just human nature at play, plain and simple.

[@hidingtk2860]

Hermione is more like Sirius in regards to loyal friendship. Unlike Ron, she has always been there for Harry. However, Harry did get very emotional with Bellatrix and the Carrows brother when he spat on Prof. McGonagall. He used unforgivable curses on them brother out of extreme anger.

[@mistv901]

I don't agree. Ron is like a combo of Sirius and James. The same goes for Harry. Hermione is much more like Lupin in many ways. She just doesn't understand Harry the way Ron does.

[@sawanna508]

@@mistv901 Understanding him isn't necessarily a sign of more loyalty. Ron did walk out on Harry which Hermione would not even thing about and it was her who helped Harry through his first task.

[@mistv901]

@sawanna508 Sirius mentioned to Harry that he and James had fought in the past when Harry and Ron weren't talking to each other in book 4. You don't know every event in their past to make that assumption. There's being human, and then there's being like Peter. There's a difference. Also in book 7, Harry flat out told Ron to leave. You could make the argument he never would have otherwise. He was also fighting off possession, hunger, and severe blood loss. Both Hermione and Ron are very loyal to Harry. And so they are both a little like Sirius in that, but you can also say that about Lupin too.

[@brycemccourt9102]

~ 17:10 Maybe Scabbers let Ron catch him so Crookshanks wouldn’t

[@sawanna508]

That's a good idea.

[@n0msg4u]

A willow's branches don't droop down, it's the vines and tendrils that hang down

[@crayyonnyadrav4055]

Lilac Wallpapers. What is the Shrieking Shack for you? Lockhearts Autogram room?

[@Goabnb94]

Was also thinking "none of you remembered my favorite color is lilac"

[@sawanna508]

I thought it is maybe some off-white colour from the last Dobby quiz. Egg-shell with tiny knobbys and ridges maybe.

[@chantelevision8151]

Truly the best podcast ever!

[@j.a.shawkins7640]

I kinda forgot they were so...cold to Lupin, when the truth of his affliction comes out.

[@sonjaimmonen6610]

I had the exact same experience of not wanting to wait and just picking up the book to read myself! My mom was reading them for me and she was busy with something

[@adamrabe3105]

Love the idea of "Fart McButts" standing up and Cedric saying that's his nickname and then Snape going "I know what a nickname is Diggory". Somehow it would be Harry's fault of course though.

[@javihojman9150]

I've always think it's funny that Ron says "you have to kill us three", I can imagine in other universe Hermione being like... wait what?

[@ilianag5680]

I'm glad I'm not the only one disturbed by the lack of empathy towards pet loss.

[@failurenotsorry6600]

i don't care about the lack of concern for pet loss, not everyone is empathetic or sympathetic and that's okay. but to be so shitty to ron about losing his pet is getting on my nerves.

[@ilianag5680]

@@failurenotsorry6600 dear, that's exactly how empathy applies! I don't understand how "it's okay" not to be empathetic towards pet loss, but at the same time it bothers you about Ron! It bothers you that they don't show empathy or more sympathy! It does! So you sat it's okay, but you feel it's not okay. The latter is the right choice personally, psychologically, sociologically, and evolutionarily speaking.

[@jmace2424]

I wonder if part of why Dumbledore talks up the prophecy so much is so that Voldemort is focused on hearing it instead of his other projects. It is a weapon of distraction against Voldy.

[@nightstrike90]

Am currently on book 4 reading it to my son for the first time. Such a proud dad 🥲

[@tfahad2051]

Been waiting for this chapter for ages

[@LordTKII]

What if the order takes Harry to retrieve the prophecy at the beginning of book five and hide it at Grimauld Place or destroy it? They have three invisibility cloaks and Dumbledore can make himself invisible. It would eliminate the need to guard it all the time, and Arthur wouldn't be attacked by Nagini.

[@henrylopez4206]

At 19:29 when y’all start mentioning how Ron was dragged away I pictured Sirius in like a prison workout montage just getting ripped 😂

[@sawanna508]

Large dogs can be very strong. They are able to pull a grown man of his feet. Sirius is always discriped as "bear like" so i always pictured some crazy mixture between a Sant Bernard and a Tibatian palace dog. Irish wolf hounts are really huge too.

[@aryadne2004]

I don't know if it says more about Lupin, Sirius or Peter the fact that Lupin realised so fast what went down.

[@lucypreece7581]

The way you described the way in which Ron and Hermione talk about Lupin once they know he's a werewolf and the immediate distrust of him adds like 100 more layers into the queer allegory that is written around Lupin and his character. Like to start with we have the Lycanthropy which is basically a stand in for HIV and AIDS and remember this series is set in the 1990's which was the height of the AIDS crisis in both the UK and the US and if you know anything about that period of time people with HIV and AIDS were treated horribly by the public and the government and were pretty much social outcasts and isolated from everything. They couldn't find jobs and people refused to like rent houses to them and stuff. It was horrible treatment for them all and that echoes Lupin's story that he was treated in a near identical way as soon as he was bitten and infected. and the fact that they treat his Lycanthropy like a debilitating chronic illness that affects him greatly but then the moment Lupin's secret is revealed and the fact you used the word "outs" which is often a term used about the queer community but like the moment his secret is revealed Ron and Hermione do a full 180 and just immediately villainise and demonise Lupin and treat him like a monster like that is so familiar. Especially with Section 28 in place in the UK during the 90's. It just really shows how reading between the lines and diving deeper into this stuff and having more understanding about the wider world really helps with like understanding the complexity and nuance of characters like this. I know a lot of people really hate when people do these kinds of readings on characters and refuse to see it but when you take the step pack and actually look at it then it all feels really obvious and you can see the parallels of it all. You may feel like certain fans try to "push the gay agenda" onto these characters but we are not doing that. We are just looking at the information given to us and relating it to real world experiences that link to the queer community. That's kind of what art and creative media of any kind is meant to do.

[@ultimateshadeofwar]

You guy do know that caring doesn't mean showing it constantly, and that for people, like pets are just pets, they end up becoming part of the family, so why can't that be the case? People and say a lot of stupid stuff and complain about their family but when the chips are down, they care more then anything about them. And that's the case with Ron, he complains a lot about his family, even about his friends, but when the chips are down he would lay down his life for them... But now for you guys it's just what you see is what you get.

[@emilycoy8289]

Love the name of the wind references! Would love more name of the wind content!

[@bbro43]

I'm going with the map and the eye can see/identify under the cloak because the users aren't actively trying to harm the owner. Lupin is using the map to actively protect Harry where as Moody/Crouch is trying to keep Harry alive until the graveyard.

[@jerameymanuel9083]

The only other time Harry got this emotional was in Order of the Phoenix when he is face to face with Dumbledore and has an urge to attack. And in that moment, it was again his connection to Voldemort

[@azure_lioness3370]

Yes, Remus would have known how much Sirius cared about James, but he ALSO was suspecting him of being a mole for Voldemort during the first Wizarding War. We don’t know why, but for him to believe that he would betray James and everything he stood for, it must have been something significant. For whatever reason it was, Sirius’ “betrayal” of the Potter’s confirmed his worst suspicions-not that he couldn’t have come to question those suspicions over the next 12 years, of course.

[@thirteenthandy]

Ok, video over, SEE YOU TONIGHT IN LA!! 🤩🤩🤩

[@Abraxun]

Have fun!! They were AWESOME in Boston

[@animecrazy90]

21:31They're like "blue skidoo we can to"

[@FifthConcerto]

If your point of reference for what a werewolf is like is, say Fenrir Greyback, you're not exactly being unfairly prejudice to not want to be around one. Having said that, if you've gotten to know Lupin before learning that he is a werewolf, you should recognize that he is a good person. On the other hand, he is being a bit obtuse in this moment and it looks very much like Lupin is suddenly in league with a supposed murderer. So, now you feel like you've been duped, and it is once again perfectly reasonable to believe that, if you're a werewolf, you're probably dangerous and at best, not a good person, if not outright evil and fully allied with Voldemort.

[@conormurphy4328]

And even if you’re a good person like Lupin, there is still the very real danger of when you transform. Unless the potion is taken carefully Lupin is a serious danger regardless of how good a person he is.

[@remnant1018]

How it should have ended (HISHE)… Lupin walks into the room and says to Black “Where is he?” Black points at Ron. Lupin turns toward Ron and shouts “Petrificus Totalus!” Ron pats himself down and says in confusion “you missed me”. Lupin says “I wasn’t aiming at you…”

[@richewilson6394]

I think they had the invisibility cloak thing added into the map to make sure that nobody could sneak upon him as well as making sure that James was ever stunned or hurt underneath there that they could find him.

[@piratemann5098]

47:00 need to do a what if Harry had killed Black

[@chandler3570]

Could be an interesting dark Harry twist.

[@keeferbigmick7943]

Magic turned the lights out ever time the undertaker came to the ring.

[@6666Imperator]

I think in the next book the Horcrux is also interfering when Fake Moody tries the Imperius curse on him. There again a voice in his head appears with a big ego asking Harry if he really wants to be subdued etc. I think thats not Harrys own consciousness but a second one inside of him that is not under the curse because that was only directed at Harry

[@davidcoplon3056]

Fun fact about lumos and knox. It works as choice commands for your phone

[@ailynrenee1796]

Guys! The reason they try so hard to keep the Prophecy unheard is that for the rest of the story, up until he dies or disintegrates or whatever, he doesn't know what exactly it is that he doesn't know. Every time Harry escapes or thwarts him, his frustration is higher because he'll keep thinking about what was in the Prophecy. He gets angrier and angrier because he knows he's under-informed and there's not a thing he can do about it.

[@Master_Failure]

Came for some Name of the Wind reminders. So satisfied!

[@jmace2424]

It’s funny looking back on it how the sunset is described as bloody when in fact Buckbeak didn’t die. Red skies at night are a good thing - Red skies at night, sailors delight.

[@ObsessiveGeek]

Farmers Delight. As in it’s telling them they will have a good crop. Not sure why a sailor might see it as good

[@ObsessiveGeek]

Likewise; Red Skies At Day, Farmers Dismay.

[@jordanbenoit8868]

​​@@ObsessiveGeek definately also has to do with sailors. The color of the sky is representative of how much moisture in the air, red sky at morning means that it's not gonna be a good day to sail

[@ObsessiveGeek]

@@jordanbenoit8868 The first known reference of the phrase is in the bible and said by Christ himself, who was a shepherd (farmer). Though it does seem to be more popularised by maritime folk.

[@jordanbenoit8868]

​​@@ObsessiveGeekthat's actually pretty cool I didn't know I'll have to remember

[@moonmoon4537]

1:02:50 I think that it’s simple enough to say that none of the deathly hallows are the ‘all powerful’ relics they’re chalked up to be. The invisibility cloak definitely does not prevent death from seeing you, let alone a couple of magical enchantments The stone doesn’t revive the dead, just brings them back in some lesser form (already established) And the Elder Wand, while it is a powerful wand, isn’t unbeatable, and by extension may result in the user dying simply to their own hubris

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Epic chapter! Thanks For this Guys ❤❤❤