Chapter 16: Professor Trelawney’s Prediction | Prisoner of Azkaban

[@volodymyrlavrushko5365]

it is not a well known fact, but there is a werewolf waiting for you at the end of DADA exam

[@R8CFIFA]

😂

[@riverhalorix4203]

this is hilarious

[@alexroberts771]

It's always good as a British person listening to you discuss British topics for a long time that British people understand straight away. This time it was listening to you discussing exams and what they equate to. OWLs are GCSEs which British students do at that age. They used to be known as O-Levels (ordinary levels) which is no doubt where JK Rowling got the influence from. You typically do about 9 subjects with English, Maths and Science being compulsory. Education is compulsory to this point or at least it used to be. NEWTs are A-Levels (advanced levels), which students will study 3 or 4 topics depending on what they're good at and what they might want to study at university. Grades in A-Levels determines acceptance into university. Not everyone does A-Levels, other options are available, especially if you don't intend on going to university.

[@alexandercharizard3617]

However that equivalence (OWL = GCSE; NEWT = A-Levels) implies there is some form of magical university, which no one ever mentions or attends

[@LangThoughts]

@@alexandercharizard3617 Isn't it implied that some jobs require a Vocational School-like training? Like don't Aurors require specialized training beyond NEWT level DADA? And I would imagine Healers have the same thing- Arthur even says while he's in St. Mungo's that there's one "Trainee Healer" working with him in the hospital- Augustus Pyle, who does the stiches- I'd imagine he's almost like an intern in IRL medicine.

[@prigg88]

I'm going to be the typical Scot in this thread correcting the English (assumed) person that not every British person takes GCSEs or A-levels. GCSEs and A-levels are part of the English education system. Wales, I think also take them. Northern Ireland presumably have a derivative of the Irish leaving certificate. Scotland has National 5s currently previously were intermediate 2s then before standard grades then o-grades as the equivalent of English GCSEs and Highers done as equivalent of A-levels but done in 1 year rather than 2.

[@alexandercharizard3617]

@@LangThoughts that is true, although that doesn't seem like an academic institution and more a prolonged training period on the job. Also judging by Percy's career there's no such training in government jobs?

[@AverageCanadianStinky]

bro... you can't use She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named's name here. ben and J are super are alt left and hate her.

[@jaredwonnacott9732]

Snape writes something that looks suspiciously like a 0. Little did Harry know, it was actually an O for Outstanding.

[@AnimalLegends-s5q]

I'd like to think that but that's at end of year exams, not OWLs where your graded with those letter grades.

[@TheKabuto90]

@@AnimalLegends-s5q Nope, all of the exams are graded on this system. The OWLs aren't special, they're just an accumulation of everything the students have learned through their schooling up to that point.

[@Lupinemancer87]

I'm honestly ok with how the final parings ended, cuz not only do we actually see most of these develop, but with this Harry, Ron and Hermone actually ends up being family at the end. Had Harry married Hermione that wouldn't have happened, and I think it's nice that Harry, who has no family (other then hus aunt, uncle and cousin) ends up as part of a big family, with his two best friends.

[@you_already_have_it]

It is very cute and heartwarming if you think about them as an actual big family. You're right. 😊 Awww

[@aliceepalermo5047]

Hasn’t JK come out and said that she never should have put Ron and Hermione together? I truly think that’s why they don’t get along so much in Cursed Child (not that I believe CC is canon anyway)😂

[@6666Imperator]

​@@aliceepalermo5047 haven't heard that but I never disliked the pairing. Harry and Ginny had eyes on each other the moment they met (well almost) and Ron and Hermoine are the different kind of love where they grow on each other instead of love at first sight

[@y345vash9]

Never liked Ron and Hermione as a pairing. I'm not saying it should have been Harry because I do like him and Ginny together, but Ron and Hermione just don't fit. I've never understood what Hermione sees in Ron that's so appealing. Ron isn't a bad person or anything, but their personalities just don't go together. A lot of people who are oppressed with this pair will use the argument "Well opposites attract" but that can only go so far and it really doesn't work as well as they think it does to begin with. I don't really know who would have made a good fit for Hermione, but it isn't Ron.

[@lonelyprince0]

@@aliceepalermo5047 yea I believe it was in the interview she did with Daniel Radcliffe after the 8th movie came out

[@Ellenmd]

I think the Buckbeak subplot is important because it shows the value of magical and other creatures. Our main characters care about saving him. This is another thing Voldy would overlook.

[@sawanna508]

To me it also forshadows the injustice of Wizard judiciary.

[@JaimieAnne]

@@sawanna508Yes, injustice and corruption

[@studynot757]

It also mirrors (retro-futuristically) the Fantasitic Beasts subplot about Grindewald underestimating them too

[@Laura-pk2fd]

And the Carlin bros underestimating them😅

[@Patrickcide]

On Draco: His grudge isn't against Buckbeak or even Hagrid in general, it's the idea of Hagrid. Hagrid is obviously not what Draco was raised to view as "a proper wizard" and so by getting any victory against him is for his ideals - however it's more than that. It's literally just to bother Harry. He's doing something Harry cannot stop, in his eyes, and he's obviously bothered. It's an attack on Harry in a political way, the same way Lucious acts, but on such a small scale. And Lucious helping is the grooming education of hate, he's probably proud of Draco for it.

[@ClaudiaX2]

Draco insulted Hagrid within minutes of his first meeting with Harry and it was the moment Harry was sure he didn't like him. Draco has been given an impression of Hagrid that's very belittling before he even started school. I agree with you that Draco hates the very idea of him.

[@susantindall8711]

Ware it comes to Parvarty and the Divination teacher (I can't say the name much less spell it) did you consider. The teacher must be aware that she is not good at Divination hence the airy fairy voice and silly predictions all the time. To keep her job she needs results (as in people passing the class) and people not dropping her class. Parvarty and Lavinder think she's brilliant so who better to give high marks to than people who will stay in her class and talk her up to anyone who enquiries about the standard of lessons. The teacher is unaware of her previous prophecy so is also unaware that there is zero chance Dumbledor will ever fire her. It is obvious Dumbledor does not rate her as a teacher. He has her at the school for her own and Harry's safety. If she were out in the world Voldemort could grab her anytime and toucher the prophecy from her because I bet it's in there somewhere even if she doesn't know about it.

[@sawanna508]

@@susantindall8711 Parvati and Lavender.

[@Amatwigger]

@Patrickcide I think you have some good points. To add, Hagrid is a half breed. If Draco hates muggle borns, I'm sure half breeds are worse in his eyes. Also, Buckbeak is just an animal in their eyes. Think of how the Malfoy's punish Dobby just for making a mistake. If Dobby hurt or attacked one of them, I think killing him wouldn't be far from their mind. This animal attacks Draco, it's a lesser being and should be put down.

[@carolinefreeman4546]

I agree with you, but I suspect part of the reason he's doing this and part of Lucius being willing to help is that Lucius is no longer on the board of governors of the school. In the first two years Draco swaggers around like he owns the place and some of that is because his Dad is one of the governors. Now that Lucius has been kicked off the board Draco is eager to show that he still has clout at Hogwarts and still gets special treatment. Hence the getting Harry & Ron to do his potions work, rescheduling the match etc. Lucius will also want to show that he still has influence at Hogwarts which I think is why he goes to so much trouble to have Buckbeak executed.

[@thirteenthandy]

Hagrid's normally ruddy face refers to his flushed look, often indicating someone who drinks quite a lot. You would see high color on his cheeks (assuming they weren't covered in hair) and nose. The parchment look is the equivalent of someone turning as white as a ghost.

[@CrazyMuggleGirl]

I have high pigment in my skin so I get ruddy when I drink and when I exercise. Basically anytime I get overheated I get red. So I know how Hagrid feels 😂

[@whitehorsebricks2670]

Yes, it just means red looking. His name's Rubeus after all.

[@kiwibug07]

So glad someone mentioned this!

[@resathe6760]

I was baffled they did not get that. English isn't even my first language and I was like, yes, that totally makes sense. Hagrid usually has a bit of a red face, maybe from a bit of drinking but more likely just from doing physical work and being outside a lot.

[@kiwibug07]

@@resathe6760 for sure the being outside thing, also it could just be a giant thing. I will say I am an English speaker and the first time I heard the term I was an adult and I had to look it up but still in context here to me it's obvious that it refers to coloring

[@MCGreggy28]

As soon as you said “Weaselton,” I immediately thought “It’s pronounced WESTLETON.”

[@forestgrump4723]

I’m guessing dumbledore is like “…snape let me see the memory.” Watches it in his pensieve. “Ok that’s a 65, come on now.”

[@PcCAvioN]

My bully in elementary laughed as he told me him and his mom ran over my families missing cat. You guys are naive about how evil people like malfoy are.

[@Starrylyra47]

Same!!! My bully told me he encouraged his dad to hit my cat. His dad was my dad’s boss! Never forgave him or his family. Karma bit him in the ass however-he died in a car accident when he was drunk on a motorcycle. His bike went a field and he went into the road where he was hit. I never shed a tear for him. Felt bad for his siblings and mom who had to bury him, but his dad?? Nope. You reap what you sow.

[@sawanna508]

Also: Look how many people used to pose with wild animals they just killed! Not just predators like lions or tigers but even zebras or buffalos. Also remember how white settlers used to just kill bizons because they were such an important ressource for their enemys. Years ago here in Austria there was an incident were a cat was shot with an arrow from a makeshift bow. Some people are cruel to animals.

[@samhobbs9116]

If either of these things had happened to me those people would have been eating family members cartman style. Holy fucking shit dudes this messed up.

[@aliceepalermo5047]

Oh my god this is just evil! I’m so sorry ❤

[@aliceepalermo5047]

In England it’s completely normal to finish exams and then have another 2 weeks of school afterwards. You usually don’t do much in the last 2 weeks either. I don’t really know why the system is set up that way. But to start exams on 6th June seems incredibly early as school terms here usually end around the third week of July. Their exam season would then be about 3/4 weeks, which is usual in bigger schools but I can’t imagine the Hogwarts exam period takes 4 weeks. Seems like a continuity error to me - it should have been 6th July, that would make much more sense.

[@AndrewJGaming]

Peter actually doesn't need a wand to transform. Here's the passage from chapter 20. "Harry stood, transfixed by the sight, too intent upon the battle to notice anything else. It was Hermione’s scream that alerted him - Pettigrew had dived for Lupin’s dropped wand. Ron, unsteady on his bandaged leg, fell. There was a bang, a burst of light - and Ron lay motionless on the ground. Another bang - Crookshanks flew into the air and back to the earth in a heap. “Expelliarmus!” Harry yelled, pointing his own wand at Pettigrew; Lupin’s wand flew high into the air and out of sight. “Stay where you are!” Harry shouted, running forward. Too late. Pettigrew had transformed. Harry saw his bald tail whip through the manacle on Ron’s outstretched arm and heard a scurrying through the grass." It seems like he goes for the wand so he can fight his way out of the situation and escape. He is actually disarmed by Harry before he transforms, proving that the wand is not necessary. The real question is why he hid in Hagrid's hut. It seems like he easily could have just left the Hogwarts grounds to get away from Crookshanks. Also I would be on team Har-mione if I didn't like Harry and Ginny so much. Also also, I'm surprised they didn't catch this line: "They heard a last pair of people hurrying across the hall and a door slamming" right before they go down to Hagrid's. They are hearing future Harry and Hermione hiding in the broom closet.

[@FlareFritz]

It's less of needing a wand to transform and more that he needed the wand to undo the spell that Sirius and Lupin cast on him to force him back to human and keep him from transforming. If he didn't need a wand to transform, theres no reason he wouldn't have transformed and ran the second the attention was off of him. Peter is a coward and he definitely would not have tried to fight.

[@AndrewJGaming]

@@FlareFritz I assume what Sirius and Lupin did was just to force him to reveal himself, not necessarily to trap him in human form. They seem to believe he would be able to transform back into a rat, since they threaten to kill him if he does. And I would say what he does still makes him a coward. He waits until everyone is distracted to make a move and runs away the second Harry tries to confront him.

[@laser8389]

@@FlareFritz In the books there is nothing saying he used any sort of magic on himself. The reason he didn't transform earlier is that there are two adult wizards who know all his tricks standing right there (and a third slightly less useful adult wizard floating unconscious) as well as three very capable students and a cat. He escapes when there is confusion and the adults are occupied and one of the students is knocked down. In the book he only uses the wand to attack Ron and Crookshanks after Lupin and Sirius transform and are busy with each other, then Harry disarms him. THEN he transforms.

[@bran3516]

This episode give me an interesting thought about Trewlaney. Her ancestor is named Cassandra, and in the greek mythology it's a woman who see the truth but no one believes her. It's funny because professor Trewlaney is exactly that, a woman that see things but no one believes her.

[@LiveHedgehog]

As someone from the UK, it's funny that they're discussing with interest and intrigue renamed versions of GCSEs and A-Levels.

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

Yeah lol

[@AJratcliffe]

Even more funny when you consider they're discussing Ordinary wizard levels, when the author is old enough she would have literally sat exams called "ordinary levels" not GCSE's

[@satsujin-shathewitchkingof6185]

@@AJratcliffe Haha,that'll do it

[@Huff-and-Puff]

Yea as an American, it’s difficult to compare these levels of exams with anything we have. Typically for high schoolers (grades 9-12, ages 14-18) you take finals at the end of every year for each class and in your 11th grade year you have SATs. And those are meant to qualify you for college, you’re not required to take them, and they cost money. You can also take ACTs, also paid for, in senior year if you choose but again, not required. There is standardize testing through the individual states, but we took them in 5th (end of elementary school) and 8th grades (end of middle school) to place us for standard, honors, or Advanced placement classes for the next level of schooling. They don’t have any bearing on your grades or pass/fail of the grade level you’re in. So if as an 8th grader you fail your state testing but pass your finals, you still pass 8th grade, you just end up in the standard level classes in high school instead of AP or honors. So we don’t have really any kind of testing that happens in 9th-10th grade (the age at which OWLs take place) to compare this to, and we don’t have ANY testing that I know of that you need to qualify for in grade school in order to get a job. Any testing in the US that is required for your job takes place in college or beyond.

[@LiveHedgehog]

@@EpicRandomness555 I think you replied to the wrong comment.

[@Stepi01]

I am pretty sure the Exams take a long time because they are doing what Trelawney and Lupin are shown doing: Testing each student one at a time, so it isn't three hours of testing for each student, it is a three hour block of time where the teacher is testing each student individually. The OWLs and NEWTs seem to be the kind of three hour tests you guys are alluding to.

[@MrBigbrother93]

I'm from Germany and the names of the exams aren't the same in our books. The "OWLs" are "ZAG" (ZAubererGrad), which means " Wizards degree", like a 3ed degree black belt. The "NEWTs" are "UTZs" (Unheimlich Toller Zauberer), which means "really/amazingly good wizard" and can be read with an ironic undernote 😂

[@Blackpyre10]

Ah yes, my weekly sleep device and serotonins. Thank you to you both for everything you guys and your whole team who produces these do

[@wrdreads4742]

This is how I wake up.

[@Blackpyre10]

@@wrdreads4742oh on my Sundays it's a fantastic addition to my morning. For the next week though I will be falling asleep listening to this 😂

[@donbeissel2965]

So I’m not the only one who falls asleep to this. Lol.

[@hollynixon9570]

I fall asleep every time I watch. Not out of boredom or anything just relaxed happiness.

[@Blackpyre10]

@@hollynixon9570my parents used to read the books to me and my sister before bed so these always take me back to those days

[@anaisabelpais7389]

I think the problem with Hermione's schedule is that no other GRYFFINDORS were taking the other electives. They could have put Hermione into, say, the Hufflepuff Transfiguration, which could affect her Potions, and she'd have to be in the Ravenclaw Charms which could affect blah blah blah. Or they could have made the Arithmancy class at a later time in the day, but maybe more 5th year students needed that. So because Hermione is only ONE student, they just gave her a time turner.

[@sawanna508]

That's what I thought. transfiguration and charms are both classes Griffindors seem to have alone without students from another house.

[@tymecamp2891]

Potions exam: wouldn’t Harry have passed with flying colors, considering he GOT CONFUSED making the confusion concoction? 😂

[@ashleywalla4087]

I mean, if you're right then you could also say Harry is confused about what is causing Snape to be upset, actually upset Harry did good instead of upset he did bad, and what shapes he is seeing Snape make, thinks its a 0 but might be another round number like 8 or it is a 0 but it is the second number like in 90.

[@whomigazone]

Ron also said that he forgot the main ingredient of a forgetfulness potion when being quizzed by Hermione during studies

[@kimgrod]

😅

[@pudupudu9837]

Re: ‘ruddy’, it just means he usually has a good amount of colour in his face. A ‘ruddy complexion’ is a common descriptor for people who spend a lot of time outdoors

[@adriannacmielewski4457]

When it comes to Buckbeak being cooped up, I’m pretty sure the ministry ordered Hargrid to separate him from the other Hippogriffs, since he was considered to be dangerous.

It would be funny if there actually was a vampire in Lupin's obstacle course, as a trick test. Students would get a wooden stake, holy water, a cross etc., but anyone who tried to use it would fail that part of the exam, because what they should really do is to say "Good day, sir!" and walk past the vampire, since they are just regular people in Harry Potter, who just happen to drink blood, AFAIK. And yes, there was a werewolf as part of the exam! He graded it! ;)

[@chefRyan38]

ME: "What a lovely sunset" B and J: *pushes up glasses* "WELL ACTUALLY THE SUN IS TECHNICALLY NOT AT THE HORIZON AND THEREFORE..." *back away slowly*

[@TheAymanRahman]

“What If Draco Was in Gryffindor?” Draco goes camping.

[@PotterGeek0731]

Yessssssssssssss please❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊

[@richewilson6394]

The ice cream must have really made all that information stick and Harry's head. I mean yeah that's the best way to teach a child through positive reinforcement.

[@wrdreads4742]

Free ice cream every half hour......

[@cptjeff1]

Also, Binns is just a bad professor. History is stories, and told by a good storyteller, is endlessly fascinating. Fortescue sounds like somebody who loved history and could tell it well, and maybe would have been a better professor than Binns.

[@wrdreads4742]

@@cptjeff1 Sir Nicholas would have been a great History teacher. Though, every lesson would end with a comparison of his failed decapitation with someone he was jealous of for getting a proper decapitation.

[@Boundwithflame23]

@@wrdreads4742 Sir Properly Decapitated Hyphen Podmore

[@glennbob5093]

I saw one of the newer HP Lego sets, and it was labeled Buckbeak, but I’m pretty sure it was actually Witherwings.

[@alarndir]

Ruddy in terms of complexions means reddish and in terms of other stuff is similar to bloody, used for emphasis.

[@Battle_Hippos11]

I always thought of the divination class being slightly like a placebo effect. Parvati wants to believe it and wants it to be real so it makes the magic of that art work more.

[@LaurenMayNotBeReal]

In terms of hermiones lessons/exams being at the same time: in the uk when you get to drop classes for exams, the subjects are usually grouped, and you can only pick 1 subject to study from that group cause the lessons happen simultaneously. So you have your english+maths+science that everyone takes, but then (in my school for example) you couldnt be studying Geography /and/ religious studies, you had to pick 1 and when half the year was in 1 class, the other half was in the other!

[@tjrs1618]

Peter could have used wands lying around the Burrow to change back and forth at night. It's creepy thinking about Peter late at night sitting in Arthurs's chair reading Witch Weekly.

[@CrazyMuggleGirl]

There is already sort of a running gag in the series where Ron always remembers facts that are related to food. He is very food driven and he will remember the Exceptions to Gamp’s Magical Laws of Transfiguration. It would be funny if there were more instances of Ron recalling facts related to food. I could see him even being a food critic for the Daily Prophet during the time when Ginny writes for the Sports section. They meet up for lunch at work and Ron annoys Ginny because he constantly criticizes whatever meal they are consuming. 😂 That’s my head canon.

[@you_already_have_it]

What a fun idea!) 😆 Not sure if there's a reason for a food critic in magical world. But still, 👍😉

[@emma_704]

Ok some thoughts on Divination: I believe it’s possible to open your mind to it and learn it to some extent. Like Parvati and Lavender are perfect examples: they are very impressed by prof Trelawney, they believe everything and really wish to learn the subject. The golden trio doesn’t and assumes the prof is a fraud so they keep their minds “closed”. So what I’m trying to say is I always believed that you can learn Divination to some extent without being a Seer. Then of course for big, convoluted, impactful prophecies you’d have to be a Seer.

[@Kadda.06]

Here in Germany you also take your last test about 4-3 weeks before the school year ends. So teachers can correct these test and on your last day you’ll have the school report ready

[@sawanna508]

Same hear in Austria that's why the last couple of weeks are extremly boring. There are still some exams at the very end for those who are about to fail (they have too) and those who are between grades and want the better one.

[@ailynrenee1796]

The time travel in this book was shockingly well thought out and well written, considering the author also thought Harry would name a kid after Snape and not Hagrid.

[@MCGreggy28]

Do we know James’ middle name? He could be James Rubeus Potter.

[@ailynrenee1796]

@@MCGreggy28 yeah, it's 'James Sirius'. Then they have 'Albus Severus' and 'Lily Luna'

[@UnfazedPhoenix]

Albus Rubeus Potter is a way better name than Albus Severus Potter. I get it but simultaneously it doesn't fit that none of the kids have any Hagrid namesakes. Maybe because he is still alive when they have kids...

[@ailynrenee1796]

@@UnfazedPhoenix i mean, sure, but there's no rule that says you have to be dead for someone to name a kid after you, either. James was alive when Harry JAMES Potter was named. BY James, or with his input. Now that i think of it, he should have been named after James' best friend, not after James. Harry Sirius Potter... Hmm.

[@CactusPuppies]

On your thoughts about Draco taking Dumbledores help… if Draco was in Gryffindor he could be “friends” with the trio. He would still live in a Slytherin/death eater household and could therefore still be under the threat of death by Voldemort and still have to kill Dumbledore. When he’s offered the protection he’d take it and then later he could end up camping with the trio. Slytherins locket could happen as you suggested and this would make Draco able to use the sword because he would have been a Gryffindor the whole time

[@PotterGeek0731]

Yesssss I totally would love to see a what if Draco was in Gryffindor series!

[@sawanna508]

About the trial: Buckbeak is treated and sentenced like a sentient beeing and real trails do take months even if the evidence is crystal clear! Also they could have taken more time because other trials were more important then some mad hippogriff.

[@kuna3627]

Hermione didn't get 11 O.W.L's, but 10 - she quit both divination and muggle studies after third year, that is why she no longer needed time turner.

[@jmace2424]

I actually think “silver ladder” could be a metaphor for dreaming.

[@SandraS1397]

On thinking about the silver ladder (of all the things I picked up from this episode 😂). The ladder has likely been there since the school was built. Now a days we'd have aluminum, steel etc but only metal options a thousand yrs ago would have been copper, bronze, silver and gold. Gold and bronze would be too heavy (gold too expensive), copper too lightweight, silver though also expensive would actually hold up the better of the options above. Also, why is there an executioner with an axe? Magic is a thing 😂 there's literally a spell that causes instant painless death.

[@grunzoink]

Learned something about metal here, thank you :-)

[@SandraS1397]

@grunzoink just a history buff lol. I especially love the medieval period of history.

[@forestgrump4723]

For Draco’s protection I believe Dumbledore would have cast the Fidelius charm with himself as secret keeper. He tells Draco the location of the spell, could even be Malfoy manor if Voldemort isn’t already inhabiting it I can’t recall. Then when dumbledore dies Malfoy is the secret keeper for his own family home, no one can find it unless he tells them where it is. So he has to drop out of school probably, but he and his mom are totally safe. Dumbledore would probably plan to have Lucius released into their care but die before it happens.

[@jtpadilla1]

I always thought Arthur would be a mix of Charlie and Ron. A good caring person but wanting to go into a field he’s enthusiastic about.

[@pb99-z3r]

31:51 Listening to this made me question one thing. When Ron broke his wand in CoS and he couldn't properly transfigure Peter into the water goblet, what if, it wasn't the wand's fault but that spell just doesn't work on animagus? Furthermore, we know that in the same book Professor Most charming smile did successfully cast the memory charm but it backfired due to the wand, thus suggesting that the wand was still working. As amazing as this podcast is, it would be amazing if you knew that Parvati sounds like Paa-Rrr-V-uh-tih. As always loved listening/watching this podcast as always.

[@maja-kehn9130]

Let´s Goo! I think, if Draco gets the chance to accept Dumbledores offer, they might hide with Andromeda and Ted Tonks. I can see Andromeda offering their home as a safe house for them. Edit: I was wondering recently What if Dumbledore and Snape never heard the prophecy? Because Dumbledore is delibarating even inviewing Trelawney for the job.

[@Unfinishedthoughts]

In a way the first prophecy has no meaning unless things played out exactly as they did where Snape hears and relays only part of it. So the prophecy could only occur in such a situation. Voldemort's not going to aggressively seek out and attempt to kill Harry or Neville without that. Even assuming he did track down the families to kill them for opposing him and there three times besting him or what not if that's why he's there and does choose to kill the babies [could go either way honestly Voldemort's not above killing babies obviously but he might not spill magic blood if he doesn't think they will oppose him he could have them collected and raised by death eaters to someday join his regime ignorant of their origins] its much less likely theirs a chance for sacrificial love to come into play as Snape is less likely to be aware of the attack on Lily and way less in a position to ask and receive the favor of having Lily potentially spared. As tends to be the case with prophecies surprisingly often the knowledge of the prophecy is the greatest catalyst to it coming to fruition.

[@VVOPOL]

i actually find it very accurate - that harry doesn't teach in Hogwarts after school it is very much the same point as that Hermione and him arent dating even though many think that they should both go to show that in real life it never works as you would think it should) and he can come back to teach when he is too old to actually work in the field ) - also how it usually goes)

[@EpicRandomness555]

I think the whole thing with the Malfoys and Buckbeak is, Hagrid. They hate Hagrid. He is one of Dumbledore’s most trusted allies. Getting him fired or thrown into Askaban would remove one of Dumbledore’s resources. They can’t get him fired, but hey maybe they can make less useful by making him too sad about his hippogriff being dead. It’s basically just “Screw Hagrid”

[@pageblank3323]

Personally, I don’t think Percy or Barry Crouch Jr had time turners. I think you can just opt into any extra OWLs that you want and if you pass, you get the grade. Like basically they’re SAT subject tests and most ppl just study and take the tests for the easier subjects but Hermione chose to take literally every class available to her lol

[@viccie211]

I love this podcast every week! I really look forward to the next chapter. I really want to hear your analysis of the Shrieking Shack!

[@superpotterfan7435]

I think a good comparison for the grades is how for some college classes, you can’t take the next class unless you get a certain grade. I had a few classes that required another class to have a “B or better”, so while getting a C in that class is technically a pass, it wouldn’t qualify you to take the next one. We know for NEWTS teachers can set certain prerequisite grades. That’s why it matters if you pass your OWLS with an A or an O. I guess it wouldn’t matter if you didn’t care about NEWTS, sorta like an associates vs bachelor degree?

[@Vincent.E.M.Thorn.Author]

I was always under the impression that the reason Peter needed a wand to turn into rat form to escape was that Lupin and Sirius had a spell on him to keep him from transforming while they led him to the castle.

[@FlareFritz]

This is the most logical and easiest way to read the situation. If he could transform at any time, he would never had to have gone for the wand at all. There would need to be spells to stop animagi from transforming because otherwise the ministry would have no way to imprison them since as we see with Sirius, they could just transform and slip out of their cells.

[@laser8389]

In the movies that's definitely a possibility, and I agree with that interpretation. In the books, he never uses the wand on himself. He grabs it after Lupin and Sirius are both busy with each other and uses it to attack Ron and Crookshanks before being disarmed by Harry. Harry tells him to stay where he is, at which point he transforms and runs off into the darkness.

[@andrewkodama7232]

As someone who is actively splitting wood with an ax, your conversation had me busting up and asked my wife if I was being a nuisance 😂😂😂

[@pudupudu9837]

OWLs and NEWTs are the equivalent of GCSEs and A Levels in British schools. At GCSE students typically study 10 subjects and sit exams at the end. With A-Levels, they narrow things down to around 3 or 4 and again there are exams at the end. University applications are made in year 13 (the last year of A-Levels) and the grades determine whether they can match their offer and attend their first choice. We also did have some three hour exams

[@Raven_Brandubh]

Excited to see what comes out of this chapter! Love your work guys.

[@stuffingtonjfluffypantsiii]

It's simple. If Draco kills Dumbledore, Lucias goes into hiding and works to perfect his hair care line Luscious By Lucias

[@grunzoink]

:-D

[@kimgrod]

😅

[@Jensen-C]

I like that the scb channel is just slowly becoming a Harry Potter what if channel

[@PotterGeek0731]

Yes

[@topknotg5530]

The O.W.L.s and N.E.W.T.s are based on the UK school system. The old way of doing things was that you were required to attend secondary school from year 1 when you were 12 until year 5 when you were 16, so at the end of your 5th year you took your O-levels (Ordinary Level) exams, which have since been replaced by the GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education). So the equivalent of 6th through 10th grade in America or the first 5 years at Hogwarts (although Hogwarts starts a year younger, age 11 to 15 rather than 12 to 16). In the old days you could choose to leave school when you were 16 (you had to turn 16 by the end of the summer holidays), but in recent years they raised it to 17 and then 18. After your O-levels/GCSEs you can continue on to a sixth form college, taking 3 to 5 subjects which you qualified for on your exams. It is the equivalent of being a junior/senior in American school preparing for post-secondary education or the 6th and 7th years at Hogwarts. You take A-level (Advanced Level) exams in the sixth form, usually narrowing your focus down to 3 subjects after the first year, and your results determine whether or not you can get into university and to a certain extent what kind of career paths are available to you. So that is why she made it so that your OWLs determine which subjects you take in the final two years of school and your NEWTs are used to determine what careers you can qualify for, it is the same way GCSE and A-level works. So not everybody leaves school achieving any A-levels, but if you plan to go to university you do need to have one or more. And the grades which you discuss later on are also based on the way the GCSE grades work, getting an A, B, or C is a passing grade (the modern standard instead of letter grades it is a 1-9, with grades of 4-9 counting as passing). So whether you get an A or a C you have still passed and earn an O-level, but some courses may require you to have an A to enter an A-level course and won't let you in with a C even though it is still a passing grade. Regarding Hermione's schedule... firstly I like to point out that Rowling has stated that Hermione is the only student that was ever granted a time turner, so Percy never would have had one. So either he exaggerated about getting 12 OWLs (most likely that is the case with Crouch) or it is possible to sit for an exam without taking the course itself, like when students do self study classes in high school. But by now he is down to his focus on just a couple of NEWT level subjects. As for the timing of Hermione's exams, in going back re-reading (well, re-listening since its the audiobook) I did thing it strange that she has two electives scheduled for the same time as two of the core subjects, But then I thought about it and I am fairly certain Hermione was the only Gryffindor student taking Arithmancy and Ancient Runes whereas the other two exams during those times are something that all of the students have to take... the other houses have those core subjects on their own so their exams in those would be at different times which would not conflict with Arithmancy and Ancient Runes the way the Gryffindor schedule does. Since it was only Hermione taking those and they knew she could attend the exams regardless of the time they were able to schedule it that way. It is easier to make her deal with it than if those classes overlapped with the Ravenclaw test times for instance.

[@kelliehorn1082]

I wouldn't put it past Snape to give Harry just low enough grades on each individual assignment to make Harry feel concerned about passing, and then fudge the numbers at the end of term, just to pass Harry and keep Dumbledore off Snape's back.

[@Bettty00]

1:24:37 I think it’s more like he can’t believe buckbeak is actually going to die, he’s taking it all in and is feeling despair.

[@amberbanuelos7053]

Keep in mind, typically only two houses take classes together at a time during years 1-5. So while Gryffindor may have Arithmancy at the same time as Transfiguration (which does admittedly seem problematic), Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff may have it at a different time or on a different day.

[@borislibaque1558]

I remember catching hermione's scheduling issues as a kid and I actually stopped several times to think about it and compare it to my own classes. A lot of classtime isn't actually useful and you really could study at home sometimes more effectively. It really depends on the student's discipline and whether the teachers are putting in filler material and participation marks. So I figured, upon thinking that through, she just got permission to skip classes, and shows up to the important ones while doing all the work, like presentions, papers, tests etc, and grinds the content on all of them, even sometimes skipping classes she could be at if her time is better spent elsewhere. It was wild to think about. The time turner reveal really got me, it was underwhelming and overwhelming at the same time and became my favourite plot device going forward even though it didn't come up again

[@motorwaffle6700]

Love the podcast. Really, I do, so don't take this as bashing, but the "Ron is totally wrong" insistence is giving my "skip ahead" button a workout. Harry knows Ron really cared about Scabbers. Ron was protecting and medicating him all year, which points to caring about Scabbers. Even if he didn't, his concerns over his property were outright ignored, and he has every right to be angry about it. It's also thematically important that Hermione be faced with situations that cause her to grow up as well, as she is also still an adolescent working on coming of age.

[@Cailus3542]

They were both wrong, but not for the reasons they argue about. Hermione made a mistake, and was too stubborn to apologise. Ron, though rightly furious, held on to that grudge far too long, even being downright cruel to Hermione on occasion. Forgiveness is important. Or, to sum it up another way: teenagers are idiots.

[@motorwaffle6700]

@@Cailus3542 you're not entirely wrong, but I disagree that Ron was in any way obligated to forgive someone who refused to acknowledge their offense.

[@Huff-and-Puff]

@@motorwaffle6700yea but you’re making it seem like Hermione ate scabbers. her cat did what cats do (and he didn’t! Crookshanks didn’t eat scabbed, he ran away, so this is all moot) and even Hagrid tells Ron that he’s being unreasonable by holding Hermione accountable for something her cat did. And like I have said 1000 times in comments over the last few weeks, Ron brought a pet that isn’t listed on the supply list for first years, to a castle FULL of cats (one of their teachers IS a cat, Filch HAS a cat, and cats are listed as acceptable, while rats are not) and then gets mad that his rat is supposedly eaten by a cat. And then he holds this massive, year long grudge against Hermione as if she single handedly killed Scabbers, when that’s just not the case. I do agree that Hermione was being stubborn about it, but I think Ron was wayyyy out of line.

[@motorwaffle6700]

​@@Huff-and-Puff I'm sorry if I'm making it sound like that, but it's really not what I'm saying. Stating that Scabbers ran away is moot because the characters don't know that. Hagrid's exact words were "people can be stupid about their pets" which is a courtesy that apparently only extends to one pet owner in the scenario. As I've seen you told 1000 times in the past few weeks, cats also eat birds, so the "don't bring their prey" point is made moot by the allowing of owls. Him being mad at Hermione didn't even last half the year (the incident doesn't take place until several weeks after Christmas the day Harry gets the Firebolt back). The crux of the issue isn't even the supposedly dead Scabbers, it's Ron's feelings being outright ignored and disregarded. As he clearly states, he'd forgive Hermione if she even so much as acknowledged that it happened and said sorry, which she flagrantly refused to do. The instant she does, Ron makes good on his word without hesitation.

[@sawanna508]

@@motorwaffle6700 Cats eat birds but I doubt they would ever attack owls. Cats may attack doves but rarely attack chickens or roosters for examples and a lot of owls are even bigger then them. A snowy owl like Hadwig or an eagle owl are really heavy and may out weight some cats. Besides Owls are hardly ever in the common room and live separated from the rest of the school. The owlery may even be protected by magic against cats (and other predators living on the grounds). My point is the school created the invionment for the owles to be save from the cats. Cats could be a danger for owls like Pigwidgeon but he is still able to fly. Also if all cats in Hogwarts are wearing bells they can't sneek up on brids.. The bigger danger for tiny owls are propaply another owl or a raven not a cat.

[@heartscapesreiki1496]

Guys, "Ruddy" = red. Specifically, "Skin having a healthy red color." The vibrant skin tone of a person who spends a lot of time outdoors and doing physical labor.

[@saltshaker1118]

That discussion on the end makes me feel like we're on the cusp of the what if Draco was in Gryffindor?

[@FlareFritz]

If we got the Ron in Hufflepuff based on the reason they used to justify its start, i think the Draco Gryffindor one is getting closer to possible

[@hartatan-dad]

OMFG!!! You guys need to do the Cosmere podcast after HP. If you're liking Tress, everything in Sanderson's catalog should be on your TBR!!!

[@wiktoriatluvi]

Ben was for sure reading or re-reading Mistborn trilogy, as he mentioned it a few times & even made a joke about writing in metal quite recently, in one of the quizzes I think :))

[@russelltoothman3168]

Funny thing is when Harry tells Dumbledore about it. Dumbledore says that brings her total real prophecies to 2.perhaps I should give her a raise.

[@karebear3152]

Ruddy: (of a person's face) having a healthy red color.

[@BecauseImBatmanFilms]

We know that Peter transforms multiple times in the time between Prisoner and Goblet. Voldemort says that Peter was led to Albania by the rats.

[@rittersportfan]

@@BecauseImBatmanFilms Not to mention that he entered a pub and captured Bertha Jorkins.

[@ailynrenee1796]

Okay, this is a bit off topic, BUT you guys have asked each other the question over the years so...: you're both certain that if Harry wasn't Harry looking like James, but was Harriet that looked like Lily then Snape would have been completely different towards her (Harriet). It may end up being a one video deal, but could you try and actually explore that?

[@brookchristy8311]

😂 Ben saying Pissed had me rolling 😂

[@lmungillo]

Speaking on the exam, in the fire Academy, you learn a bunch of different skills and they’re all possible on your test, but you’re only tested on a few. So maybe it was kind of like that. They had to memorize everything because they didn’t know what charm would be their test

[@carolinefreeman4546]

I'm loving the podcast!! I think you need to know something about dating in Britain before you read the next book. We have a different dating etiquette in Britain than you do in America, and frankly, I prefer yours! In Britain you don't really do casual dating. If you're on a date with someone then you're both seriously considering a relationship together. You only really get 2-3 dates before you have to decide if you're in a relationship or not. So, going to the yule ball with someone, even though it's something you're supposed to bring a date to is basically date no.1, hence the high number of couples that continue after the yule ball. This ups the stakes for asking anything of someone you could be in a relationship with, hence the extra fuss around having to ask someone to the ball, the pressure Harry feels when he's out with Cho etc. It makes it a high pressure situation.

[@Zeke_O3773]

I’m not sure that anyone other than Hermione had a time turner for school use. I think that fifth years’ schedules would allow for 12 shorter classes (maybe subjects that are only 1 semester long) to prepare students for the OWLs. I think Hermione is a special case because she’s taking third year level and fifth year level classes whose schedules don’t line up. For example, Hermione has 3rd year potions which might be Tuesday morning, at the same time as arithmancy. Hermione can’t be both places at once, but a 5th year would obviously have potions at a different time and could take the classes without a time turner.

[@air1fire]

Hermione got the best grades in all but one subject. Percy got 12 OWLs, but it never says he got O in all of them. He may as well have had A in half of them. No time travel required.

[@obstacleinsurmountable5878]

I'm gonna drop this again I've been saying it for years, but Dumbledore has a time turner. His super fancy watch, introduced to us, in the first chapter of Philosopher's Stone. I say that he has indeed been behind the plot and orchestrating events, giving council to himself. The loop has a start end point just before he touches the ring.

[@Amlock87]

I think Draco wanting Buckbeak killed shows how much joy the Death Eaters get out of killing innocent people and creatures.

[@christiannasimmons4599]

Maybe Hermione is just in Arithmancy class with all the Ravenclaws and she is the only Gryffindor and they have their Transfiguration exam at another time?

[@leumasecallaw6313]

Regarding Malfoy stepping in, Harry has already died at the hands of voldemort, one HAS died at the hands of the other.

[@nathanelb721]

What if the entire night wasn’t on a full moon

[@Musicteachersheff]

Tress of the Emerald sea and metals - Metals are incredibly important and meaningful in Brandon Sanderson’s Cosmere. If you are intrigued at all about it you need to read Mistborn and Stormlight Archive as well!

[@slimstar16]

The characters name is Rubeus. His face is often described as red, particularly when he's drinking. His face went from its usual red to parchment pale.

[@whomigazone]

My face goes red and feels hot when I'm drinking, so it sounds quite plausable.

[@slimstar16]

@@whomigazone lol

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Thanks For this Guys! Love this podcast

[@bbro43]

For the exams I would have to imagine there is both a written and practical portion. Also for the OWLs doesn't Snape only take Outstandings for his 6th year potions, while Slughorn will take Exceeds Expectations students.

[@samuelroth544]

As for the tests, their could easily be multiple times in the week that the tests are being offerred for the third year students. Maybe some people take transfiguration on monday at 1:00, but others take it on wednesday morning for example. Since Hermione has the time turner anyways, she happens to be taking some at the same time, but if another student had both classes, they would be taking it at a different time.

[@Kylie-kq6dm]

Honestly the thing that bothers me with Hermione's time table that the fact that Hermione using a time turner is supposed to be SECRET. So it doesn't make sense that McGonnagel makes a time table that makes it so obvios that Hermione is in 3 places at once. I really don't understand why they couldn't just give her a "fake" time table that doesn't raise questions and make the real one a secret as well

[@j.a.shawkins7640]

For the Harry felt unreal bit, I had always assumed it was just because he was a kid, and there's an executioner coming to the school-no, already there-to kill one of Hagrid's glorified pets, and wait, but he's RIGHT THERE, just right there, in the pumpkin patch. That was historically my read on it, anyways.

[@pipwilson7435]

I've said this before. In mainstream UK schools, you don't get held back years before GCSE (equivalent of OWLS).

[@nerdpocalypse5004]

Does anyone think that the reason Draco wants buckbeak, I'm sorry Witherwings dead is to hurt Hagrid who is A. a half-giant and b. a friend of Harry

[@Bettty00]

I don’t think the hippogriff subplot was created for Draco. I think it was created for Hagrid and to eventually fix Hermione and Ron’s friendship.

[@cliffrock86]

Hermoine doesn't hate divination because she thinks the subject area is too unpredictable or less scholarly. She hates it because she didn't receive instant success or praise for her efforts.

[@RancorSnp]

This tbh

[@IslarfPokemon]

Both

[@justriskit4423]

The unreal feeling could be the hoarcruxes reacting to each other

[@Cairo198]

Definitions from Oxford Languages- ruddy = having a healthy red colour."a cheerful pipe-smoking man of ruddy complexion"

[@PalmelaHanderson]

Ever since being in SE Asia, these come out at 9pm. Perfect time to just play while I go to bed.

[@kayleighlehrman9566]

Um actually! Hermione only got 10 OWLs, at the end of year three she mentions that she's dropping Muggle Studies as well as Divination.

[@Sarah-ml4fv]

1:44:49 also in sorry there’s no way Draco gets a Zuko arc and joins the gang 🤣 just bc he changes sides to save himself and his mom and not be a murderer doesn’t mean he has any of the rest of the character work to get him to a zuko arc 😅 You can’t just jump to season 3 zuko w/o season 2 zuko !!

[@mollydugan6144]

I'm just getting back into knitting as the weather turns autumnal where I live. I'm working on a sweater in yarn that reminds me of Lucius Malfoy's hair. I love listening to this while knitting!

[@brianwithastar3246]

I’ve always thought the class schedule only clashed with hermione because she’s the only one with the combination of classes from taking everything, other students may have taken different electives but less so classes didn’t need to be moved and hermione was the only one needing a time turner. The exam schedule makes no sense at all though

[@inkaviolet]

How about this: during Divination we see only Gryffindors. Same for Charms and Transfiguration, if I'm not wrong. What if Hermione, only Gryffindor that year who had chosen runes, arithmancy and Muggle studies, just went to class with Ravenclaws for first two and Hufflepuffs for third? And because it was then impossible to accomodate school schedule without having gap hours every day, McGonagall petitioned for Time Turner for her. So neither Percy, Barty Crouch Jr, Tom Riddle or Dumbledore needed it, because there likely were enough students of their house interested in these optional classes, to just organize schedule different, probably they've just finished classes later. But it would be ridiculous for Hermione to have individual classes. Quote from first book: "Even Neville scraped through, his good Herbology mark making up for his abysmal Potions one". How about that? ;) I bet Lupin's grade, and Hagrid's helped (you think Hagrid would give Harry bad mark? ;) I think he should give Draco zero points, because of his lack of respect towards Hippogrifs, but well, he's better than that), also Harry was quite good academically, based on his OWLs grades. So one Snape (and Trelawney maybe?) can't make him repeating the year. Ginny confirmed in book six that Hermione and Krum actually kissed. Maybe Dumbledore just asked Fudge to let Hagrid say goodbye? I guess he realized what happened after Buckbeak was gone, but before it wasn't easy to predict (especially when Dumbledore never studied Divination... which is ironic considering Grindelwald situation). It wasn't better in the movies. Just more graphic and spectacular, which not always is better. But scene in the book was more emotional.

[@hackmxn]

1:05:08 If peter is not good enough at transfiguration to transform with his clothes then how did he have clothes in the shrieking shack? I guess it could be because he used a wand that wasn’t his?

[@christianeedel5160]

Yay, my favourite time on a Sunday!

[@fhbirsidha]

@@christianeedel5160 ah yes, 2 pm (14:00) gmt

[@brettjacobsen]

Do you want to buy 1-3 San Diego matinee tickets?

[@christianeedel5160]

@@brettjacobsen No, different continent.

[@Howiedoing]

I always wondered why Harry and Ron stuck with divination as long as they did. They clearly don’t think they’re learning anything and they don’t like the subject anyway. Maybe I forgot but it seems like they don’t even need it for their career choices either.

[@Phena5372]

"Lucius is afraid you're going to behead his peacocks." Best quote ever. 🤣🤣🤣

[@joshuamacdonald3196]

Re: prophecy’s, dumbledore states in half blood prince that not all prophecy’s in the hall of prophecy’s are fulfilled

[@dallinwoolley7620]

Ruddy, from what I understand, means flushed or red, often used to describe someone drunk