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Charles Barkley On Michael Jordan Keeping Isiah Thomas Off The Olympic Dream Team
"They never asked me personally about Isiah Thomas. Isiah Thomas probably should have been on the team... But apparently Michael didn't want him on the team."
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[@kennethpeaks3477]

That Bulls and Pistons rivalry was deep

[@Daitroit]

Chuck did a great job of completely changing the subject without Shannon even noticing

[@swelly84]

He’s a professional DUH 😂

[@user-hy1qy7zu9l]

I’m sure Shay clocked but why pursue it , let the conversation flow and listen. this is a podcast , not a interview if it was a interview. Then it would be 10 min long .

[@jrjrjr112]

Isiah had beef with Bird, Magic and Jordan at that time. Jordan said, it was better camaraderie, and harmony with Isiah not being there in ‘92.

[@randallchaney9251]

Daly was well aware of that!

[@jimirsayssponsor5844]

Yeah I’d be pretty ticked too if the guy won the championship twice and rubbed it in my face

[@kvng.allen_03]

Everybody knew Michael Jordan didn’t want Isiah on that team.

[@fauxbro1983]

Neither did magic or larry bird....

[@AS-fd9jc]

Thank goodness, Isaiah Thomas would have ruined the team

[@choppabrown3741]

He wasn’t the only one, he was just the only one who was vocal about it

[@Chino3xl]

The crazy part is that Isaiah Thomas coach Chuck Daily was Olympic team coach and him and Jordan became close.

[@michaelroberts680]

@@fauxbro1983you sound crazy Af magic, and Isaiah are best friends…. 🖕🏾Larry bird

[@leetraviusmckay314]

"do u want to go to Auburn" 😂

[@DeepBlooded]

3:40 Shannon totally pays no respect to 90's European legends Toni Kukoc and Drazen Petrovic

[@Terp311]

@@DeepBloodedthey a reason for that

[@markn7459]

“And I tell people” -Charles Barkley

[@timkinley1779]

What about Sharpe's constant fake laugh?

[@justin57153]

"First of all...."

[@BG-mn6di]

“I says” - Charles Barkley

[@matthewalkman386]

“That’s a great question” - Charles Barkley

[@leetraviusmckay314]

"u ain't got him Scottie" 😂

[@jackeetaylor2671]

This was a GREAT conversation between two greats!

[@hazardblkspirit4818]

Shannon is wrong for this! Magic Johnson wrote in his book that he didn’t want Isiah. This is getting tired. Tons of players didn’t want Isaiah there. Quit trying to act like it was Jordan alone

[@boomdynamite8391]

Seems u listen with your ears closed, or maybe you're just deaf when did u hear him say it????? My God

[@braviafeed]

That's all Shannon can stand on "Michael was mean to people BOO HOO".

[@m.j.w.2876]

@@boomdynamite8391 go read a book because magic said this in HIS book

[@frankiek2269]

@@boomdynamite8391. You’re clearly a m0r0n!!! Stay off the Internet with your $tupid!

[@chhansen9813]

@@m.j.w.2876 yep

[@Sapp440]

Jordan wouldn't play with Thomas, but would play for Chuck Daly who coached those pistons teams. Really makes you think.

[@keithen8708]

Nothing to do about Nothing

[@bernyourhart]

@Sapp440 I think a lot had to do with the Pistons and Bulls not shaking hands when the Bulls finally beat the Pistons.

[@bdwilson32]

Michaels beef wasn’t with Chuck Daly. He knew Chuck would never have anything to do with such a lack of sportsmanship.

[@johnnybuchananjr9344]

​@@bdwilson32how do you know what michael.knew explain ? Where's your proof

[@zaynes5094]

@@bdwilson32 His disrespect came from the other teams players and not showing them their respect when they had shown their respect to the Pistons even when they got beat up in 5 and 6 games before coming back and beating them.

[@kendrickbridges2852]

Chuck changed that subject real quick...

[@manumalia]

True

[@gregordrizzlewing7339]

Because he told you straight away he never was asked but apparently Jordan didn’t want him. What do you want him to say?

[@AngelopolusBolanis]

So true

[@user-zg5ws2mj6k]

They need to talk about Isaiah pushing the boycotting of Jordan his rookie season from the all-star team honestly Jordan got the right to feel some way about Isaiah

[@finerbiner]

Spot on. Why are these supposed experts so ignorant?

[@ddavis8988]

That never happened. If you watched the game you saw what happened was Jordan froze up.

[@user-zg5ws2mj6k]

@@ddavis8988 she you speaking for Bird Magic and Isaiah who said he didn't like the ideal because he was a rookie

[@ddavis8988]

@@user-zg5ws2mj6k Did you watch the game?

[@erichughes8723]

Good news, never knew that..

[@jamescarr5592]

Great conversation!

[@pihermoso11]

I still remember that Olympics opening back in '92, woke up 4 am to watch it (it was the very first year we had cable TV), when the runner bringing the olympic torch stopped and lit up an arrow, the first thing that went on my head is 'what if he misses), then the arrow launched and lit the big flame, that was the greatest moment of olympic flame lighting I've ever seen

[@mendesnelson]

Amazing archery!

[@wrkAhaLik247]

Shay, I love the cast of characters you have on your show every week!

[@Mr_Nunez]

I ALWAYS tell people, the 92 Dream Team is the reason we have so many great foreign players now.

[@williambreeze2659]

Great conversation 👌

[@WinnersOnlyLotto]

The mission was accomplished! Gold.

[@frederickwoods9459]

And magic johnson said he didn’t want Thomas either…

[@viperrecords3288]

Yall trying to take the blame off Jordan I see

[@mj23goat3]

@@viperrecords3288 There's nothing to blame Jordan for. He was right to not want Isiah on that team. The last thing our country needed was to have some punk up there on the world stage and he start actin' like a bad sport.

[@wade2xx552]

@@viperrecords3288Jordan never said it ain’t playing.. he said if it plays then I’m not playing

[@UFOsAreRealArea51]

I wouldn't call playing on a broken foot to will his way to a 2nd nba ring a punk.

[@kiteracer2497]

​@@UFOsAreRealArea51the pistons were cheating

[@js43168]

Amazing and entertaining interview. Enjoyed every minute of it

[@waynegreen7970]

Kobe Bryant drafted by Charlotte, traded for Vlade Divac, Dirk drafted by Milwaukee, traded for Tractor Traylor. Luka Doncic drafted by Atlanta, then traded. Amazing.

[@bluewave3417]

To be fair to Charlotte, they needed a center and already had Eddie Jones playing Kobe’s position.

[@AlexiusS]

KOBE didn't want to play in Charlotte.

[@t.stanley6315]

@@AlexiusS Kobe had no say. JERRY WEST wanted Kobe. The Lakers had no early picks...so the Lakers made the trade with the Hornets the night BEFORE the draft. And it was West and Kobe's agent (at the time) who came up with the plan to tell the other teams picking before the Hornets, that Kobe would go back to Italy if they drafted him. The Nets were the only team who were still gonna draft him, until Rick Carlisle decided to go with Kerry Kittles.

[@uwasntthere8218]

@@bluewave3417Nets passed on him for Kittles

[@saucytony4609]

Wtf no vlade divac ?

[@onidtubes]

As the Dream Team head coach why is there no question as to why Chuck Daly never fought for Isiah to be on the team? Or did he?

[@printsnozfuks7142]

That's the answer I would love to read..

[@emperor_23897]

He probably did but I reckon the US Olympic Committee at the time wanted to cater to Jordan.

[@timkinley1779]

They didn't need a head coach. Chuck knew it.

[@brandocalrissian3294]

​@@emperor_23897and why not cater to him? John Stockton was better anyway.

[@viktorianas]

Being a coach on dream team is as useful as being a lifeguard of a jacuzzi, actually that's even more valuable tbh...

[@ElMcMeen1a]

Love this vibe!!

[@eldridgehenry2]

another good one

[@jimanderson4495]

Thanks Shay Shay. Just joined the club.

[@qbond007]

David Stern built the NBA and Adam Silver is destroying it brick by brick.

[@GTTg-kr2xh]

Truer words were never spoken.

[@SH-jv5uf]

How is he destroying it?

[@NikoRoulias]

Both from the tribe...imagine that

[@Welcome2jewfros]

@@SH-jv5ufHe’s destroying the NBA because all he cares about is making money from tv deals players these days are making historical money but they don’t want to play , one thing goes wrong and players want to jump ship, a new super team formed every other year,players can’t even play defense anymore but offense can get away with traveling and carries jumping into defenders to draw fouls, their needs to be balance to take the league to the next level and players have way to much power right now

[@369pendulum]

@@SH-jv5ufHe doesn’t actually care about basketball, it’s all business and money with him. He’s gonna make these players a lot money but he’s sacrificing the actual sport of basketball. You will only witness real basketball in the playoffs, the rest is fluff to appeal to sponsors.

[@stephen285]

great stuff

[@basilsimsuangco9164]

Sir Charles B the best and most brutally honest as sports commentator and analyst 😅👍🏼

[@nyfanjan8635]

Jordan was all in or all out, he had that power.

[@isaacannanjr2371]

They need to release a Netflix documentary of the 1992 USA Dream Team. 🇺🇸 we gonna win 🏅 again this summer in Paris.

[@bladebrown4191]

The NBA released a documentary in 2012

[@johnnybuchananjr9344]

No they not

[@anthonyallen265]

Who’s beating USA

[@Thegeneralms1]

There already is a documentary, it’s here on KZbin

[@wesroberts953]

Already out there on KZbin

[@chady77077]

Charles-I am glad you asked me that question about Isaiah so now I talk about our security.

[@Trevil666]

Implying Stockton didn't belong is massive disrespect.

[@EddyTheLion]

He doesn't have a ring. Thomas has 2 rings against Jordan bulls

[@BluMagic23]

Didn’t say he didn’t belong Isaiah was better… just like kyrie is better than every guard on the team this year

[@tonywilliams8648]

He didn't deserve to go

[@silxix2599]

Not arguing who was better, but Stockton was the better fit in a team full of scorers. Of course racial thing will make this be bias. Jordan was my favorite player. Anyway, Stockton # 1 passer , great 3 pt shooter and tios in steals. One Dream team that had a bunch of scorers got eliminated. Look at some top scoring teams that got swept in the NBA. And when Isiah Pistons beat the Bulls, not only were the Bulls still inexperienced, but the Pistons surrounded Isiah with more than just scorers. They had a tough defensive team, that protected Isiah Thomas, just like how the Denver Nuggets were almost built perfectly around Iverson, cause they had defense and great rebounding. Sometimes a team is one player away from a championship. No way Jordan wins without Horace Grant, and then Dennis Rodman. Kyrie Irving is a great scorer, but ain't winning a Championship without the right team. Lebron James, and Kevin Love were a great fit for him last time. Teams needs more than just scorers, defense, passing and IQ is underestimated! You can score, but can you stop someone else from scoring? It takes a whole lot of more energy to do both ‼️

[@xbmarx]

People read history backwards, too. Isaiah was at the end of his career, coming off injuries. Stockton was just starting his and consecutively was breaking PG records like every year, it was crazy. People say "but Stockton never got any rings" -- in 1992, no one knew how his career would turn out. He was just a young promising PG who put like two 20-20 game on Magic in the playoffs. The "controversy" is entirely invented and wasn't a controversy in the 90's when people began to retrospectively look back on both players careers.

[@bluewave3417]

The Pistons played dirty. A lot the stars of that time did not like them. There’s a difference between playing tough defense and trying to injure guys. Jordan legitimately didn’t like Isiah as a result. Can’t blame him for not wanting to play with him. There’s consequences for everything.

[@Ambienceentertain]

But he was ok to be Coached by Chuck Daly and be teammates with Dennis Rodman and John Salley?

[@bluewave3417]

@@Ambienceentertain Apparently so.

[@ElodreamXO]

Olympics are Awesome🎸⚡️🎸

[@MandyBallard-nt1pz]

You're a natural on camera, keep shining!

[@normalgaming2326]

The fact that they bought him out to praise LeBron is bad to what ever else he speaks about. Tomorrow Biden?

[@sdevans25]

Jordan didn’t want to play with Isaiah but he didn’t create the lineup. He was also not the only player who didn’t want to play with Isaiah.

[@meboy3513]

Jordan didn't want him on the team but that's not why Zeke wasn't on the team. Allegedly it was because of Magic.

[@chrisoakley5830]

It was because of several of the players, many on the team respected Isaiha's game, but simply didn't like him.

[@jlobiafra]

​​@@blunt2416they needed a lethal shooter to knock down open shots and mullin was one of the best outsideshooters . They already had jordan and clyde who were both better than Wilkins.

[@UFOsAreRealArea51]

Clyde was not better than Wilkins at any time ever in his career.

[@sideshowbobsaget8876]

Thomas wasn't on the team because of the walk off very simple

[@jlobiafra]

@@UFOsAreRealArea51 fair enough but as I recall Wilkins missed half a season in 91-92 due to injury so clyde was the better option

[@user-xs5so5rz6r]

Wow thats crazy

[@King-xs4sd]

Those new balance 🔥

[@malikjackson6628]

998s

[@malikjackson6628]

998

[@abrahamg4128]

That is crazy how he related Dirk's trade to the Currys and jokers.

[@pujiantonov]

The Dream Team didn't need Isiah Thomas

[@viperrecords3288]

It’s still not right.

[@edwardchristian9529]

The dream team didn't need Stockton. The point is it was supposed to be the top 11 and the college player of the year. Because Zeek and Shaq should have been on the dream team

[@onlyfacts3178]

@@edwardchristian9529 You are a kid..nobody at that time said SHAQ was above LAETNER or THOMAS above STOCKTON...

[@JohnSmith-oe5kx]

@@edwardchristian9529You are either too young or misremembering. In 1992, all-NBA 1st team was Jordan, Drexler, Malone, Mullin, Robinson. They all made the Dream Team. Second team was Barkley, Ewing, Stockton, Pippen and Hardaway. Everyone made the team except Hardaway. Last three spots went to Larry and Magic (the legacy spots) and Laettner (the college spot). In case you were wondering, third team was Rodman, KJ, Mark Price, Kevin Willis and Brad Daugherty. No Zeke. Stockton led the league in assists AND steals, and was second only to Jordan that year in VORP. But you think Zeke should have got his spot???

[@lavancooper8904]

He was the second best pg behind magic, Isiah better than Stockton by FARRRRRRRRRRRRR

[@Steve-cw1zo]

I hope they find away to bury the hatchet, life’s to short.

[@mj23goat3]

Mike already did bury it, right in Isiah's punk a*s, where it belongs.

[@cliftonconnor9389]

Jordon is waaaaay to petty to let things drop.

[@penkima4923]

@@cliftonconnor9389 Isiah undermines Jordan every time he guests a show.

[@chhansen9813]

too

[@JohnSmith-fz2of]

Lemme get that chain ShAy Shay

[@thomasarias773]

Chuck was speechless when Shannon reminded him that Olajuwon existed 🫨

[@MichaelVillarreal-ix5pl]

He did it to himself dirty team leader of that team no body want to play with the bad boy 😂

[@viperrecords3288]

Jordan Stan

[@mrskjmrskj5647]

He didn’t deserve to be on the Dream Team he paid the price for playing dirty the Right Dream Team was Perfect

[@williammoore1980]

The world deciphered that enigma years ago.

[@trey54321GO]

3:29 Don't forget Oscar Schmidt from Brazil

[@bbolman27]

And Chuck never brought this up to Shaq’s face lol. Hahahaha

[@remyjanus2385]

I read in a book that said “ Don’t offend the wrong person” clearly IT never heard of this saying

[@merrickjackson1623]

Like how he dodged that 😂

[@calmnrelaxed]

Major flex

[@Fortniteclandanny]

"I also think Thomas was better than Stockton." -Said nobody ever

[@minatodroger7890]

It wasnt just Michael who didnt want him there

[@cabshamster5431]

We're still talking about this

[@paullentz1972]

"You want to go to Auburn"?

[@roysreceptive]

I think in the Dream Team documentary, Barkley said that he didn’t want Isiah on the team (though he wasn’t asked).

[@aaronorange6732]

I was one of the ones that didnt understand that Monte Ellis trade lol dude was a baller!!

[@tommydavidwalker2445]

Poor little Isiah. He should have thought about that during those series where him and his henchmen were playing so Dirty vs The Bulls.

[@DeepBlooded]

3:38 common Shannon! Toni Kukoc! Drazen Petrovic! The absolute disrespect SMDH

[@paulcooper1046]

The franchise decisions portion reminds me of when the Miami Dolphins passed on Drew Bees because of a medical concern involving his shoulder. The French Quarter is eternally grateful.

[@sickofguysnamedtodd2293]

On that football note and speaking of Marino, his hometown Steelers passed on him for a defensive tackle who got in a car wreck and was paralyzed after his first year.

[@GaryMelton-rm4gt]

Stockton belonged, no question! All time nba leader in both assists and steals (and by a long shot).

[@ChessJourneyman]

An American experiencing the world for the first time :D

[@leroy1968]

Guess Thomas should have showed good sportsmanship and shook the Bulls’ hands😂

[@aggentry1443]

Shannon already know what happened, he being petty 😂😂😂

[@dionprice114]

Exactly

[@kiteracer2497]

The pistons were cheating

[@anulubongo1157]

I was a Teenager here in Switzerland and we could not watch NBA Games very often only on Eurosport and later there was a Weekly Highlights Show on a German TV Channel I remember standing in Front of a TV Shop watching Bulls vs Lakers trough the Window 😃 Big North American Sportstars were like a Myth to us we talked about them like they were King Arthur or some other legendary Character

[@runzization]

Denver&Jokic...6:20 Chuck: Listen I think they gonna win this thing again". Minnesota: Hold my 2-0 that's Turrible

[@chlobelleranda7023]

simple as this.. Jordan or thomas?? 😂😂😂

[@universe-ie2mk]

What i dont understand after all these years is that the bad boys literally changed the sport and i dont mean in a good way, and people are still confused about why their star player didnt get an invite to the dream team like the guys wanna be around him? Its the goofiest thing ever. They were good, but they played dirty. Isiah thomas is not innocent i dont know why ppl portray him like that. He was their leader. So it was always understandable for me to know why even if mike didnt play he was never going on that team.

[@kamaljames8112]

Thomas is always playing the victim. He got what he deserved

[@stephen285]

I'm with Michael on this one

[@edgarross9955]

They had and still have beef, but lets be honest, if Jordan says "Him or me, pick one" Aint NOBODY not even Pistons fans picking Isiah 😂

[@lasallelopez2889]

Greatest Mens Basketball Olympic team of all time. EVER

[@glace5620]

Look, I'm 50 years old and I remember at the time when the selection went down, I always wondered why the f*** Isiah Thomas and Dominique Wilkins weren't on the team. Period. Got that off my chest.

[@terencethomas5447]

F Micheal Jordan, bad boys for life ! Best pure point guard

[@luissantana882]

Also Shaq instead of Christian Leittner

[@timkinley1779]

Who you gonna leave off for Thomas and Neke?

[@truthiscensored]

Pippen took Wilkins spot since Wilkins was injured that year

[@iamgodiamgod638]

Isiah has always been a lil beeaaachhh. He’s the guy that smiles at you and then when you turn your back you realize you have a knife in your back!

[@jeremyfryar3424]

What about Deltef Schrimpf

[@lavarrcromartie8436]

Mike said he didn’t want to play with that dirty bum!!! So they had to make a decision!!! So Mike didn’t say not to put him on the team he said I’m not playing with him PERIOD! Make a decision!

[@tomgoodfellow3381]

That Dirk story got serious mileage 😂

[@oteliogarcia1562]

In Open Court, Isiah said "a'ight" as long as it was Jordan or Magic/Bird who didn't want him on the team. "But anybody below them?" "Scottie Pippen? Come on. You can't say nothing...Go to the park."

[@LKaramazov]

A more interesting question is “how come Daly coached a team with none of his players on it? “ that question as far as I know, has never been asked.

[@matthewalkman386]

What is it Shannon and everybody doesn’t get about the word “team”? I would shut this conversation down within seconds with that question

[@mattnapier606]

America didn’t want Thomas on the team either. He would have completely screwed up the vibe and chemistry of the entire team.

[@andrewbarnes5745]

The thing will Monta Ellis was he was loved in Oakland. He made them fun to watch after Baron Davis and little playoff success. It was unthinkable to trade him and hope Curry's ankles hold up since he'd been having problems since college if I recall. Even as great a shooter as Steve Nash was nobody was basing a system around 3s to the extent Curry got in Golden State. Whoever made that decision truly rolled the dice and things just happened to work out spectacularly.

[@harlemm6047]

Can imagine the nba without social media. The viewing experience had to be insane

[@stevenjamesgiurbinojr6893]

Isaiah Thomas was a hot head with a bad attitude that lacked professionalism, and was a bad representation for the NBA brand 💯

[@steplaland]

Moral of the story is- Don't burn bridges with those more powerful than you.

[@ryandavis8658]

No. Moral of the story is forgiveness.

[@88jaspersimmons]

Moral of the story is don't be a dirty player and expect people to do right by you

[@terrencewhite3748]

​@ryandavis8658 Isaiah Thomas has had this problem for over 20+ years. 🤔

[@mariecampbell3373]

Exactly. You can't get mad if people don't like you.

[@joelmcinnes81]

Could I get some clarification on how big a window this crowd had to see the holy trinity wall past? I’m guessing about 12-15 feet.

[@MrLilStitch]

I thought it was Magic that didn’t want Isiah to be on the team

[@RandomShowerThoughts]

1:50 he’s so humble

[@juankelly1004ify]

Lol haha... obviously this was before Denver 0-2.

[@chrislacayo1857]

Nobody sends an invite to the vibe killer

[@tomincanada]

Isiah vs Stockton is actually a good debate. Both amazing players.

[@mariecampbell3373]

"Don't nobody wanna see you, Otis."

[@littica]

Half the Dream Team didn't want Zeke on the team.

[@Dapzsports]

Ja Morant even knew that and he wasn’t even born!!! 😂😂😂😂

[@Deeboy1214]

Isiah in my eyes is better than John sTockton. Alsoi would of put Shaq before Laeetner

[@timkinley1779]

No. Shaq was a better dunker. That's about all. Christian was better at everything else

[@russenterprise6502]

I agree on Isiah better than John but Zeke was past his prime and Stockton was entering his, Thomas second best point guard in the 80s and Stockton best point guard of the 90s

[@mastermace7770]

​@russenterprise6502 Penny Haraway was the best point guard of the 90s, not Stockton.

[@mark.8949]

@@mastermace7770 no he wasn't

[@infinitygauntlet101]

Everyone on that dream team hated Isiah. Jordan is the only one who is vocal about it.

[@penkima4923]

Jordan was the one they asked about it.

[@ryder94faulk27]

Hardly any of them wanted Zeke on the team lol

[@shepard2386]

Club Mess-Mess - Amanda Seales

[@marcusstanley96]

The stellar human being that is Isiah Thomas….poor guy

[@mrredd8439]

So the Olympic Committee made a buisness decision, and clearly it worked out.