Charles Mingus - The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady Review | Out Of My Element

[@matanmeir1283]

One of the greatest albums of all time

[@Goatchild90]

Easily

[@chroniictheory]

Fr

[@petehammer4676]

My dad, Bob Hammer, is probably the last person alive who worked on this album. He recorded with Mingus a few years before, but he arranged for this album and the next album. Btw, you picked a real heavyweight album for intro to jazz!

[@gotf]

Holy shit! Big thanks for whoever nominated this album. His album "Mingus Ah Um" is another brilliant album.

[@mamercier10]

Yeah it’s nice, and so are many of the classic albums like kind of blue, but this. This is just in a league of its own for me.

[@Krycky]

Best way to get into Jazz: Start with the big four albums from 1959, then start to follow the artist careers not the bands and weave out like a web.

[@kostyapolykova9879]

This is great advice!

[@maazwaseem8313]

What would be the 4? Kind Of Blue is definitely one, The Shape Of Jazz To Come is the second I think. The other two are by Charles Mingus (Ah Um I think?) and John Coltrane?

[@Krycky]

@@maazwaseem8313 add “ time out”, “moanin’” and most def “every body digs bill evans” ( Evans and Mingus were my gateway)

[@MatthiasVargas]

This and Kind of Blue are what I tell people to listen to when they say they don't understand why people like jazz

[@aphexted5608]

I would say Coltrane's Ascension too

[@zackzallie8735]

A Love Supreme, Bitches Brew and In a Silent Way

[@babula1965]

Jazz is kind of like that one friend that everyone knows and at least respects but has always been so weird no one has really tried to get to know him. But once you do and get past some of the quirks, he's a really cool guy with a lot to say.

[@timbosqueeze8174]

Perfect analogy for me anyways

[@babula1965]

@@timbosqueeze8174 got into Jazz through Fusion, so for me he was a very neckbeardy guy

[@flybeep1661]

@@babula1965 Excellent advice, Fusion was my way in. Specifically Bitches Brew from Miles was my first entry point.

[@completelywitless9593]

@@flybeep1661 Frank zappa for me

[@Lastiri2004]

You should listen the shape of jazz to come. Its one of most trancending and mindblowing jazz albums I ever heard.

[@sakketin]

But if you're really not that into jazz it's unlikely you'd like it.

[@flybeep1661]

That's a bad advice. For someone totally unfamiliar with Jazz, I wouldn't recommend Ornette Coleman's album at all. Same counts for John Coltrane's more experimental side. It's a sure fire way to push people away from Jazz.

[@iiwuxi3032]

Myke being an avant grade type dude, he should really check peeps like Albert Ayler, Matana Roberts, Pharaoh Sanders, Dave Holland, Archie Shepp, Anthony Braxton, George Russell, and Cecil Taylor.

[@Deuce1042]

Albert Ayler's brain was wired different.

[@13tuyuti]

Eric Dolphy, more Eric Dolphy!

[@AlexandreDuqueque]

He would definitely love Matana albums

[@thee_rita5156]

Kaoru abe too

[@johnnyflamevlogz8203]

For Alto is an insane album

[@georgedoughly6344]

The Black Saint & the Sinner Lady is a must have Jazz Masterpiece.

[@heythere5121]

This is my favorite jazz album ever

[@NYUMusicGuru]

I'm so happy you had a chance to listen to this.. my favorite Jazz album of all time

[@arianhagen]

Mingus "Ah Um" was my introduction to jazz a couple of years ago. Its a little more accessible and catchy. He was an incredible bassist and pianist and in my opinion one of the greatest composers and arrangers of his time. I can recommend you "Journey In Satchidananda" by Alice Coltrane. Its my favourite jazz album and a super deep, psychedelic listening experience. She is playing the harp like you've never heard, lots and lots of shakers and percussion, catchy and hypnotising bass melodies, an indian tanpura and fantastic sax solos. If you want to hear some more recent jazz or stuff that has more of a hip hop crossover you could check out The Comet Is Coming. They released a really spiritual and fun album this year.

[@waltwhitman7545]

this album is insane good. gives you an appreciation for musical skill and next level instrumentation

[@MarkQuick0411]

John Zorn's Naked City that album is fantastic arguably the weirdest jazz album I ever heard and my absolute favorite honestly the experimental aspects you might enjoy

[@Anonymous.android]

Always thought I hated Jazz, apparently I don't. This album was fucking mindblowingly amazing!

[@moussegarbonzo8352]

Great place to jump into jazz. I think Mingus was one of the greatest composers ever, and this is my personal favorite album of his. He’s definitely an artist worth exploring more of, warning though, once you get a jones for Mingus it can become an expensive habit as his output seems endless! Besides his music, he was just an all around interesting human being, and there are tons of books out there worth checking out too.

[@fraicheness]

Myke, check out Fantano's classic review of Roland Kirk's "I talk with the Spirits". One of the best/weirdest to ever do it and very easy to get into imo. (He also played on Mingus' weirdly great "Oh Yeah" album.)

[@Sirmeatwad]

Oh dang! One of these finally won! Looking forward to this one

[@Sirmeatwad]

Dude! I'm so glad you enjoyed this album so much and are looking forward to exploring jazz more!

[@Sirmeatwad]

And I didn't know any of that lore behind this album. Extremely interesting! I'm gonna have to track down that Mingus documentary also

[@EyeTunz]

Check out: Sonny Rollins - Way Out West Bennie Green - Soul Stirrin' Ellington / Miingus / Roach - Money Jungle Miles Davis - Cellar Door Sessions Ornette Coleman - ANYTHING! Those are some of my favorites.

[@Chris-Huntley]

I am a jazz fan but couldn't describe it in academic terms, how you describe it is perfect for those new and those old hat to the genre.

[@halyomorpha]

I absolutely love this! I hope Big Black wins some time; RIP to Dave Riley.

[@MrHotmilo]

I have a feeling Myke would be a Big Black fan already, could be wrong tho. In saying that, it would be rad to hear more discussions on BB. Such an underrated band imo

[@tedesco7219]

It's not looking like Big Black is winning this poll sadly...

[@halyomorpha]

@@tedesco7219 That's OK, Rain Dogs is a good pick. Maybe Big Black would be picked someday, I feel Atomizer is their best work (although many people prefer SAF).

[@tedesco7219]

@@halyomorpha Don't get me wrong, love Tom Waits, I just feel like hearing his opinions on Big Black would be more interesting. Their albums are pretty equal for me tbh.

[@BIadelores]

Myke hasn't listened to Big Black??? What??? That shit would be right up his alley. Especially the first half of Songs About Fucking, he'll lose his mind

[@ALastStraw]

damn myke reviewing my favorite album wild.

[@ALastStraw]

mingus let my children hear music is essential to mingus if we're referring to his third stream stuff

[@Mike-it8nq]

Glad you could check this one out. One of my 5 favorite jazz albums

[@lukegregg5944]

What are the others bro??

[@Mike-it8nq]

A Love Supreme, Bitches Brew, Duke Ellington & John Coltrane s/t, One Night in Washington

[@Violetcas97]

One of my favourite reviewers reviewing one of my favourite records? Fuck yeah

[@JunkyardGod89]

Funny you got this and the day you posted: I was in the pub talking to my brother's friends, who's into a range of stuff, and we briefly spoke about jazz (I admitted I don't know much). But I know of Mingus and couldn't remember his name when thinking of him during the conversation. One of my hallmates during uni was MASSIVELY into him (was always playing jazz and hip-hop, and had an upright bass), he's the one who got me diving into hip-hop properly.

[@alejandroramirez4470]

although it's a remix album I think Madlib's "shades of blue" is pretty accessible jazz

[@robinsandquist]

How fun that you liked it! This is my favourite jazz record. It has a really good energy throughout and puts forward a very unique mood. Another jazz record that's a bit more free and avant-garde that I don't see mentioned too often, Orgasm - Alan Shorter (wayne's brother)

[@13tuyuti]

ERIC DOLPHY AT THE FIVE SPOT!!!

[@petehammer4676]

Check out Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus Mingus album. It's the next album with the same band, with the same feel but more arranged.

[@ImpendingRiot83]

My dingus instantly springus when the topic is Mingus. Absolute fucking Jazz God. If you want other stuff that’s a bit on the newer side, Sons of Kemet and Kamasi Washington are great and Julia Holter does AMAZING ethereal and relaxing stuff, she mixes elements of Dream Pop into her work.

[@LfunkeyA]

funny how no one is really into jazz or classical, even though these 'genres' encompass all musical ideas ever while simultaneously surpassing all other music, and that's not even being elitist.

[@RayasNegroOvejas]

LfunkeyA no one is really into jazz? I feel like more and more are getting into jazz nowadays with all the new stuff coming out

[@swirvithanplatt3743]

Fuck yes, finally! I'll always vote for jazz on this channel. Would be great to hear your thoughts on slower, more somber/traditional records like a love Supreme, kind of blue, Bill Evans trio, etc. Great work!

[@Deuce1042]

A Love Supreme is definitely up tempo except for the last track.

[@swirvithanplatt3743]

@@Deuce1042 true, but its still more of a true blue jazz record than sinner Lady in a traditional sense imo

[@Deuce1042]

@@swirvithanplatt3743 Most definitely.

[@mutton7891]

Woah, one of my favorite people on the planet reviews my favorite jazz album ever? I don't celebrate Christmas but this is the best present I could've asked for!

[@bulletfastspeed]

Fuck yeah!! Mingus was one of the first jazz guys I got into. Truly unique, no one else composes like him. For more jazz: 1. Miles Davis - Four & More (one of the best jazz quintets) 2. Miles Davis - In a Silent Way (one of the best fusion albums) 3. Gretchen Parlato - The Lost and Found (modern vocal jazz) 4. Watch some jazzy Bobby Mcferrin stuff like with Chick Corea and Richard Bona. (Bobby is so fun) 5. Fire Orchestra - Exit / Enter (crazy free jazz/rock big band, almost swans-y) There's so much more. Coltrane, Brad Mehldau, Vijay Iyer, Ornette Coleman, Thelonious Monk, Oscar Peterson, etc. I didn't recommend more super avant garde stuff like Cecil Taylor bc I think that is better to get into later. I also recommend going early into jazz stuff, exploring musicians and seeing what they played on for more great records. More modern instrumental jazz is kind of like IDM to me, lots of intricate things happening that don't fully line up, but create this great thing. It just takes a while to start to listen to it like that. Glad you enjoyed this!

[@Padybu]

Let My Children Hear Music - Charles Mingus...... this is an album you should check out next

[@ilovecody7514]

Jazz resonates with me so much because of my Dad.

[@intolerant_left]

I always recommend Cecil Taylor's "Unit Structures" when asked about jazz..

[@nomobius1]

Thank you , im 55 and your reviews and opinions are great! Love to knw of a jump in point for metal... any suggestions?

[@ByronGiant]

Pretty sure everyone starts with Black Sabbath, Metallica, and/or Megadeth... or maybe that was just me!

[@DoctahhOfficial]

You Will Never Be One of Us - Nails and Idol - Horrendous Two great new(er) metal records that were an awesome jumping off point for me

[@MrHotmilo]

If you are totally going in fresh I would suggest: Black Sabbath - Paranoid, Mercyful Fate - Melissa, Metallica - Master of Puppets, Slayer - Reign in Blood, Sepultura - Arise, Carcass - Heartwork. These are just a handful of metal records that initially forged my love for the genre growing up. Once you start to dig the melodic stuff, you may start to enjoy the more esoteric or "heavier" sounds in metal; black metal, grindcore, sludge etc.

[@somekid7]

You gotta check out Matana Roberts if you haven't. Her vocals are so fucking intense and her sax skills are great. She's super free and chaotic while still being able to focus hard on her themes.

[@jonahvos7394]

I think for someone who is not into jazz that much you explained your views on the album very well!

[@MetalTheologian]

Good to hear you talking about one of the greatest albums of all time! I didn't really get into jazz until I was well into my 30s, so I have nowhere near the history with it that I do with metal, but at this point, it's about the only thing other than metal that I actively collect. For what it's worth, and while I'm hardly an expert, I think you're doing just fine with the descriptive vocabulary here, and it sounds like you get it.... I'll be really interested to see what other gems strike you next!

[@MetalTheologian]

Holy shit dude, Rain Dogs on the latest poll?? You need to spend some time with that one regardless of how the vote comes out, trust me!

[@helgar791]

Actually, it's symphonies that are generally divided into 4 movements, concerto's into 3. In ballet movements are any of the formalized actions of a dancer that follow specific rules regarding the positions of the arms, feet, and body. A classical ballet is divided into 3 sections: the opening pas de deux (dance for two), or adagio; variations or individual performances by the partners, first by the male and then by the female; and the final pas de deux, or coda. Mingus was a stickler for charting his music, and although some parts may seem chaotic everyone in the band had the sheet music in front of them and it was all written out. Except of course for those sections given over to improvisations. I'm glad you loved this music. Jazz is America's classical music, is just as difficult to play, but doesn't take a refined or snooty ear to follow or understand...and neither does classical music for that matter. But Jazz, along with the Blues, R&B, R&R, Hip-Hop, Big Band Music, Dixieland music, Disco, World Music and tons of others are all a part of our heritage: yours, and mine. All invented by black peoples around the world and all originally intend as a dance or social musics. A lot of people here recommend older musics, and they are all great and exciting. Try them all. Of older cats I would also recommend all of Art Blakey's Jazz Messenger stuff, Trane, all of Charlie Parker and Dizzy, Bill Evans and the big band stuff of Duke Ellington. Add or course Miles' Prestige and Columbia recordings, especially the great quintet with Herbie, Ron Carter, Tony Williams and Wayne Shorter. Some newer artists to explore are Ambrose Akinmusire, Kamasi Washington, Chris Potter, Christian McBride, Stephon Harris, Aaron Diehl, the beauty and touch of Fred Hersch, and Sullivan Fortner. Some recent vocalists to explore are Cecile McLorin Salvant, Jazzmeia Horn, and Veronica Swift. Good luck on your new journey. Let me know when you're ready for classic music.

[@Goatchild90]

So Glad someone I respect as much as Myke enjoyed such an awesome album

[@alejandroelop]

Good review! As always. I’ll give it a try. love your content. Greetings from Perú.

[@matte8677]

Woah, I was not expecting this album to be reviewed. My favorite jazz album.

[@iiwuxi3032]

You gotta do Wede Harer Guzo by Hailu Mergia. Very quintessential release for ethopian jazz

[@justinhughes619]

Classic album! Myke have you checked out Robert Glasper's new mixtape "Fuck Yo Feelings" with Herbie Hancock, Denzel Curry, and more? Excellent project!

[@abyss1138]

I love 100 gets because of how different, abrasive, and ironic they are but I feel like they are artists you either love or hate. I play this shit for my friends and haven’t found one that hasn’t said they are trash. 😂 Looking forward to see where they go. The started there own genre. My favorite band is deathgrips so I guess I pretty much love shit that sounds like nothing I’ve even heard before.

[@DougConnolly96]

Good to see you this excited about one of these albums

[@willbill1983]

Roland Kirk: The Inflated Tear Mingus Ah Um, Mingus at Antibes Dexter Gordon: Go, Our Man in Paris Miles Davis: just too many to name

[@benluben1058]

Myke, if you like vocal jazz you should check out Somi - Petite Afrique from 2017. Hauntingly beautiful album.

[@sakketin]

Black Unity from Pharoah Sanders is by far my favourite free jazz album. Shame that it's never mentioned with Shape of Jazz to Come, Ascension and Free Jazz.

[@TheJordanHageman]

Top 10 Jazz records. No question. No hesitation.

[@allofthemmilkingwithgreenf7493]

Check out Fire! Ochestra. Great experimental big band free jazz with vocals.

[@clairebrown4084]

super underrated album. one of the coolest jazz albums I've heard in a while.

[@robinsandquist]

Should check out Mats Gustafsson's band the Thing as well!

[@clairebrown4084]

@@robinsandquist thanks!

[@itchyvinyl]

Now the door is open! Knowing the things you do like, there is a TON in the jazz world for you. Don't get thrown off by the fact that, like any genre, there is a lot of crap or meh jazz out there.

[@jonatopik]

I really hope you do more jazz albums! Sadly, if its all put up to a vote, i doubt you'll get to do many :(

[@stevenewton6776]

Christian Scott's Stretch Music or Marquis Hill's Meditation Tape are extremely cool albums to listen to

[@boogiemeister9581]

brilliant pick for a first jazz from this series

[@conjointoates]

yo wtf. i was literally just listening to this album.

[@azathothsothoth2029]

Merry Christmas Myke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@blackcowboymusic]

Check out Albert Ayler sometime, hes got the free jazz style but it's based on gospel music and spirituality

[@finlety-6623]

PLEASE DO MORE LIKE THISSSS!!!!

[@oliviawalsh1205]

this is an amazing review

[@Mitakoぐヌ]

Hey Myke! Jazz-lover here. If you want some really good records, imo, these are some good starters John Coltrane- A Love Supreme Miles Davis- Bitches Brew The Comet Is Coming- Trust in the Lifeforce of the Deep Mystery Kamasi Washington- The Epic Thundercat- The Golden Age of Apocalypse Thelonius Monk- Monk's Dream Nina Simone- Pastel Blues Herbie Hancock- Headhunters Vince Guaraldi- A Peanuts Christmas

[@Chris-Huntley]

If you want to truly feel what chaos can be in jazz I would suggest free jazz.

[@flybeep1661]

Oh damn, a Jazz virgin being dumped on Black Lady and The Sinner Lady is kinda daunting. It's jazz sure, but not very accessible and certainly not a representation of what jazz usually sounds like (era related). You'd probably been much better served with some of Miles Davis Fusion era albums or Duke Ellington's Big band work. That being said, Black Lady and Sinner Lady is an utter masterpiece. The specific style of jazz played is called Third Stream (although Mingus would hate it being categorized), basically it's jazz but with classical structures.

[@tylerrader9945]

Favorite jazz album!

[@grantinskeep6039]

Are you going to review the new Atmosphere record Myke?

[@siddiqahmad5193]

Say Bruh, if you're looking for an on ramp to jazz Mingus is quite a bit to set your teeth into; be careful not to break 'em. My advice: find yourself a quality jazz radio station (I listen to WBGO in NYC metro area.) Find a suitable programming block on the station(s) you sample and just listen and learn. Radio is key because you'll get a variety of subjective programming selections and if the hosts are any good, they'll educate you about their selections through out their block. If you're intent upon building some sort of collection, stick to established standards, by established artist (Miles, Coltrane, Gillespie, Brubeck, etc.) Don't bite off more than you can chew. Enjoy!

[@brokenhearted6000]

6:48 This album is a jazz ballet

[@michaelhudson2912]

random question Myke but did you ever hear the last Dodheimsgard album? Thoughts, if so?

[@Deuce1042]

One of the all time greats.

[@mathiasference399]

please do bitches brew or a love supreme

[@yourusernameisdumb9509]

Now do John Coltrane's Ascension

[@Monk118]

Ascension is NOT for the faint of heart!

[@Monk118]

He might want to try on A Love Supreme.

[@SegaCDUniverse]

Why would someone pick jazz, when they fed you "you'll cowards don't even smoke crack." That shit was fire.

[@christiantorres9765]

Hope you review more jazz album 🌝🤞🤞

[@jibsmokestack1]

More jazz please Myke!

[@EliteBeast]

Where's your black metal list of the year?

[@mrkarolosgreen1542]

I remember when you only reviewed punk albums

[@AceHardy]

📝

[@jonatopik]

GREAT album!

[@howamidoing6900]

Do nle choppa cottonwood

[@That0PENMindedKiD]

Oh boi wouldnt that be a review huh

[@joesiu849]

This is an amazing album. But when it comes to Jazz in general, this is a weird Jazz album.

[@MrTanglefur]

This Thang fire 🔥🔥🔥

[@thee-wastegamer4044]

all those vinyls and youve never given this a listen?! cmonnnnn myke.... lol

[@anewhope1827]

Brother. Please don’t set In stone that you prefer jazz with vocals if you’re barely getting into Mingus.

[@OGNICKMARSH]

Was6p

[@leon9021]

Not exactly a great entrypoint for jazz

[@epiklightz4773]

my favorite post-glam emo rock album