Charlie & The Chocolate Factory - Caravan Of Garbage

[@epicbruhmoment6985]

I love the idea that Depps weird bad Wonka voice is actually just him trying to hide his German Accent.

[@Neags]

he wears his hat to cover the scar he got from aldo raine

[@You-Tube-n5k]

It really does feel like the direction was "act weird"

[@nailinthefashion]

​@@You-Tube-n5kproblem, occifer?

[@jackashmore]

“The Chocolate Factory” sounds so much more ominous than it should now

[@videogamenostalgia]

The new Timothée Chalamet film ends with him receiving a flyer to join the Hitler Youth and you see him raise an eyebrow with a cheeky glint in his eyes and a slight smile and it cuts to black

[@ThatOrangeGhost]

Wow I bet you didn’t know that in the original Roald Dahl story there is an extended scene of Violet being extruded, and all of the blueberry liquid leaving her, this is what would come to be known at the wonka factory as a “Blue Harvest” which coincidentally was also the working name for Star wars Episode IV: A New Hope

[@paulbauer9017]

You got me 😂

[@teddy-fl6hm]

jilliam jonka

[@arthurgeldard]

Exceptional work

[@ScotSteam47]

Amazing, well done

[@lordarchon2572]

Lol ffs. Well done

[@fortunatesoul12]

A really dark bit that I enjoyed in the movie was when Wonka presented that everything in the factory was edible, including the grass and him, but that the latter is called cannibalism and is considered a crime in many cultures. That some fucked up funny

[@nailinthefashion]

I really liked this version just because of that line, it contextualized his thinking so well. He wouldn't judge you for what you est, but the why

[@TheStarGhost]

I’d say great joke, weird (bad) delivery

[@pillbugm8914]

One of the few lines in this movie that did make me laugh.

[@christophersparks6641]

It’s been a while since I’ve read it, but I’m pretty sure that was an actual line in the book too. 😂

[@Mr-atom55]

My favourite part is when young Wonka leaves to see the world but when he comes home his father has LITERALLY moved the house

[@Finamajig]

You think “oh this is a metaphor for his brain trying to cope” and then NO! THEY GO AND FIND THEY HOUSE IN THE ARCTIC LIKE WHAT

[@Espeo92]

comes home

[@StudioInkblot]

That's the kind of absurdity I legitimately appreciate

[@Mr-atom55]

@@Espeo92 thanks

[@nailinthefashion]

Max Keeble's Big Move

[@dj-y7018]

Did anyone else read the sequel book "Charlie and the great glass elevator"? It starts with Willy and Charlie discovering shape shifting aliens in space, and ends with them reversing the age of Charlie's grandparents - but they reverse it too far and one of the grandparents is made so young that they weren't ever actually born. Luckily Charlie and Willy are able to save her because one of the rooms in the chocolate factory - apparently leads to the afterlife. I swear to god I am not making this up.

[@pinktribble]

I only remember it being incredibly weird...

[@medalion1390]

I remember something about them being attacked by floating space heads.

[@dj-y7018]

@@medalion1390 yeah the aliens they find which can only communicate by shape shifting into letters that spell out ominous threats

[@anthonyvillanueva5226]

That book had no singular plot

[@jamigoddess]

Loved that book!

[@Styrophoamicus]

The realization that Grandpa Joe had depression hit me right in that "Oh my God it makes sense now" part of my brain.

[@expendableindigo9639]

Don’t let the Grandpa Joe Hate community know about this. I wonder if James knows that’s a thing.

[@obscenecolleen]

They also explain in the book that Charlie's family were SO POOR that the grandparents were literally wasting away in bed because they couldn't afford food for all of them. It was some Dickensian ship!

[@jacob9538]

Oh no, not Grandpa Joe...

[@spugesdu]

1:24 The vision of David Tennant doing all his acting all at once has destroyed any sanity I had left.

[@Finamajig]

The sheer god power unleashed by all of David Tennant’s pure acting

[@thepinkplushie]

David Tennant ascends past the concept of spacetime by acting all of the acting of his lifetime all at once, and becomes the Doctor in real life

[@daTribbleMaker]

David Tennant can suck a bag of snozzberries.

[@starwarsnerd100]

I agree with James, the Flag Museum thing was not only a great joke, it's like the only thing I remember about this movie. (Well that and Christopher Lee saying "Lolipops").

[@TomBongJovi]

Christopher Lee makes any movie better

[@ealing456]

Might be a weird thing to say, but it felt very much like an early Simpsons joke somehow. It was layered with an absurd punchline.

[@medalion1390]

@@ealing456That’s _exactly_ what I thought when I first saw this in the cinema, it felt like something straight out of The Simpsons.

[@Paint_The_Future]

My favourite thing about this movie is the fact that the squirrels, some of which were real, were incredibly difficult to train, either because squirrels are dumb or disobedient.

[@Luminousreign]

Both.

[@DSan-kl2yc]

Heh let's not blame the squirrels. They're just being squirrels. And humans are being stupidly trying to get them to do something. Its actually cool that they did it. But the effect ended up looking cg anyway.

[@OppositeofHATE7]

That's fun!

[@sebastianranch6934]

They are notoriously insubordinate though.

[@jameseglavin4]

lol dumb and disobedient can always be confused

[@christinehickey6164]

I remember watching this film as a child because it was my generation's version of Roald Dahl's novel and feeling so unsettled by it. But at the same time I couldn't take my eyes off of it because of the atmosphere that it created and the visuals/score. The scene with the melting chocolate palace especially freaked me out lol.

[@LuisSierra42]

My theory is that whichever version you watched as a kid will forever be your favorite. This version was the first I watched and it's simply one of my all time favorites. When I watched the original, I was like "why people even like this movie"

[@Mrs.Garrison69]

@@LuisSierra42watch it again, because you must have shad a shit childhood to love this film over AMY OTHER MOVIE, I’d drown my children before subjecting TV them to this movie, it’d be a mercy

[@You-Tube-n5k]

Ngl, my least favorite version of Willy Wonka is the original book. I honestly appreciate this movie and it's weird vibe more than the original story lol

[@ObligedUniform]

​@@LuisSierra42not automatically. I was about 11 when this came out, but I had seen the original a few years before. So still prefer this one though 😅

[@SDfan2002]

Am I the only person who WASN’T unsettled by this? This movie basically shaped my personality.

[@ljholmes2177]

The scene where lil wonky boy tries to return home but his home wasnt there always used to really blow my mind

[@Finamajig]

Christopher Lee literally teleported his whole house to the Artic! I thought it was a metaphor but then they go and find the house! How did he do that!

[@jonbaxter2254]

He teleported his hole to the arctic?@@Finamajig

[@munohlow]

Another great visual gag. Young Wonka looks more baffled by the missing building than anything

[@Espeo92]

@@Finamajig his entire whole

[@supersizesenpai]

I really really really want a story about Willy Wonka being a Nazi scientist who escaped Germany. The idea of insanely hilarious.

[@hellfish2309]

Ooooo like the voiceover detailing his wonderfully Chalamet backstory is a deliberate lie compared to the horrifying footage of where he came from 😳

[@LuisSierra42]

Snowpiercer is a sequel to this movie

[@hobokoala2623]

The Allies during Operation Paperclip: “We need all your rocket scientists and confectioners bc, well, have you had American chocolate? The Yanks need all the help they can get in that department.”

[@zom8680]

​@hobokoala2623 I remember Operation Paperclip, it was when the Allies took all the paperclips and launched them at Germany during WW2. It didn't do much but it was utterly hilarious. Then they decided to actually send some troops

[@jayjay24155]

It'd be even more funny if Charlie, the last kid standing is black, so it just gets even more tense and awkward.

[@GaryOPostle]

I like how part of these videos is we get to find out what the editors have been watching a lot of lately and this week it’s modern family

[@ZachBobBob]

Yeah I enjoyed noticing they were doing a big Succession binge this year

[@highvoltage7797]

And lots of Doctor Who.

[@jonnytaylor6186]

It is always a joy to see what random Doctor Who clips Lawrence will put in the edit in an attempt to visualise whatever James and Maso are talking about, catches me off guard every time

[@amdrewgamer]

came to the comments just to see if it made anyone else as happy as it made me :D we love to see doctor who appreciation

[@lucasdolding6924]

Annoyingly it's only ever clips from Tennant's era, there's 60 years of content but it's only ever stuff from those 4 years.

[@gwina64]

Fun fact, this movie was the first time in my life that I was made aware of the concept of an actor playing more then one character, because when wonkas dad steps out for the first time I screamed and said “That’s count duko” and I spent the next 20 minutes waiting to see what duko was doing in this movie, until the film ended and I just assumed they were leaving that as a cliffhanger for the sequel 😂😂 Also I thought that when a character dies on screen they actually had to kill someone as I couldn’t wrap my head around how they got a sword through the middle of someone, my parents said they stuck it under his armpit but they clearly didn’t and they didn’t want to explain further 😂😂

[@nailinthefashion]

Count Dookie****

[@horatiohuskisson5471]

Count Pookie***

[@ricardoaguirre6126]

How old were you?

[@TheJesselopez1981]

Dookie Monster

[@Flint-Dibble-the-Don]

​@@TheJesselopez1981good point

[@SamU_115]

The Wonka bars that they brought out around this movie were amazing, I used to buy them all the time!

[@tannerhill6809]

Brooo the fudgemallow delights though..

[@EmperorJ123]

Agreed

[@EmperorJ123]

Btw they were around a lot longer

[@daTribbleMaker]

did they taste like snozzberries?

[@legomarioboy08]

@@daTribbleMaker The Wonka bars taste like Wonka bars! :D

[@LittleCrimsonMonster]

definitely nostalgia speaking here, bc this was THE movie of my childhood, but i absolutely love it and watch it every year around xmas. love the weird vibes, love the performances, love the songs, love the additional origin story bits. saw the original one few years ago for the first time and it didn't do it for me like the remake does.

[@isaacmiller162]

Loving that James and Mason are now being characterized as the age-gap couple from modern family

[@ghostmemeboi]

"the children are suitably freakish" "i think the cast is good" "thats a nice way of putting it" 😭😭

[@Finamajig]

I’m obsessed specifically with the weird bit of Willy Wonka’s dad Christopher Lee the dentist teleporting his entire house away. Like what was that?

[@XAltrus]

I like to imagine his dad is just an ultra-reserved dentist version, but at his core the same, of what Willy is as a chocolate maker and he has a giant apparatus he deployed that extracted the townhouse from the row of houses exactly the same way he'd pull a tooth from someone's mouth, only gigantic!

[@nailinthefashion]

Magic

[@WhiskerDooz]

​@@XAltruslove that. He's also got a huge workforce of small people that he employs at his practice. Like little ant people going into people's mouths, building scaffolds around molars, wearing hard hats.

[@Finamajig]

@@XAltrus Maybe! I kind of want to see this guys whole weird dentist deal now

[@TomBongJovi]

I love it it feels like a very Dahl thing to do, literally just up and move the whole house when you tell your son you won't be here when they get back. He probably would have laughed so hard

[@LukeDwornikComedy]

I personally think Johnny Depp did a great job. DON'T DELETE THIS MASON!

[@What.99]

He didn’t delete it. Yet.

[@RivExArt]

I love the Nazi Scientist theory I remember you brought it up in an episode of Plumbing the Death Star years ago, still one of my favorite episodes, people should track that down.

[@mattgilbert7347]

Yeah some of the external shots of the factory have a real campy vibe. And not in a fun way.

[@danieldishon688]

Ronald Dahl actually was a Nazi Sympathizer. So it makes sense his character might give off that vibe. I read his wierd depiction of the US President in the Glass Elevator book who depended on his mother had some anti-semetic stereotypes.

[@SimonBuchanNz]

I guess we're actually going to get Snake Eyes next!

[@DoomsToys]

I really liked this movie as a kid but one time I fell asleep to it and had the trippiest nightmare ever and I haven’t watched it since.

[@LuisSierra42]

Reiner Braun, we are the same

[@anenemystand5582]

I hated this movie as a kid. It didn't scare me funnily enough, cause everything scared me with a kid. It just made me uncomfortable. Like being tied down while ants crawl all over you.

[@daTribbleMaker]

Was it about snozzberries? And if so did you lick one?

[@DoomsToys]

@@anenemystand5582 Its just such an ick of a movie like its genuinely offputting from start to finish. In that regard i think its kind of a masterpiece, if a movie is just so unsettling u dont wanna watch it is it a bad movie or is it a masterpiece?

[@swootgrommet5921]

My favourite running gag is how either Ben or Lawrence is clearly putting in b-roll footage from Doctor Who, despite James and Mason having literally never referenced the show.

[@SuperBananaSalad]

Accidentally tapped through from Maseu trying to remember crumbs wumba to James pleading for a woman’s safety and to be left alone. This is why I’ve been a fan for 8 years

[@JD82444]

Left a like and was still thrown into a vat of hot chocolate. Thanks a lot Mr. Sunday!

[@Dorian_sapiens]

More like Mr. *Sundae,* right?

[@daTribbleMaker]

That wasn't chocolate.

[@medalion1390]

In the scene where they’re riding in the glass elevator and see the Oompa Loompas shearing pink sheep and harvesting their wool to make cotton candy, Willy Wonka says “I'd rather not talk about this one". According to Tim Burton on the Blu Ray directors’ commentary, this was apparently a reference to another Depp/Burton collaboration, Ed Wood where Depp was in love with pink angora sweaters. Perhaps this explains why the movie was often referred to as “Blu Harvest” by the crew during production, which coincidentally was also the working title for the 1977 film Star Wars.

[@Opno]

I like how much this episode oozes the energy of the editors having just finished the recent Doctor Who specials and are feeling nostalgic about the show generally

[@joshchavez8190]

I love both movies. They serve different purposes. I replay Charlie and the chocolate factory all the time, it’s great background noise when you’re doing something else. I re watch Willy wonka once or twice a year, but I actually sit and watch.

[@KahlessTheUnforgettable]

Just like ‘The Shining,’ a subsequent adaptation of a book can simultaneously be more faithful to the source material AND not as good as the previous adaptation.

[@willk1063]

Hoped someone would point this out. It’s so common that people go ‘It’s more faithful!’ without realising that faithfulness to the source material can damage an adaptation in all sorts of ways.

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

​@@willk1063As a kid I used to think being faithful was most important. I hated the Series of Unfortunate Events movie, but now I realise it's good

[@LuisSierra42]

@@willk1063 Except this movie made more money than the original at the box office

[@willk1063]

@@LuisSierra42 That doesn’t mean it was good. It means it was popular which can be for a million different reasons: famous director, well known actors, nostalgia etc.

[@LuisSierra42]

@@willk1063 Well, a lot of people liked it more than the original. For those people it was definitely good

[@RivExArt]

I personally believe this and the original version are roughly of the same quality, this one isn't as bad as people say and the original isn't as good as people say. I do think Depp's performance is the worst part of this movie and Wilder is the best part of the original, so it's understandable why it's considered better, but as a whole I think they're pretty even.

[@SSJPENGUIN]

Hard agree

[@HAL_NOVEMILA]

Comparable in quality yes but the Burton's one is the better adaptation of the two, it is more faithful to the books.

[@dastvan8002]

One’s a better adaptation whereas the other is a better movie. But that’s just me

[@unadventurer_]

How old were you when the Burton version came out?

[@shyfoxfeatherhere6446]

its ironic because Depp plays Willy Wonka as he's written but the 1971 movie slaughtered his personality and everyone else's cause they didn't care and kicked the author of the book from writing the movie

[@vicentenavarro5494]

One of my favorite reoccurring themes in Caravan of Garbage is the editors disagreeing with Maso and James. Never gets old

[@Satherian]

I'm glad Laurence is also a man of classy taste. The songs were bangers IMO

[@pinktribble]

This was a solo Laurence job.

[@Satherian]

@@pinktribble Woops, typed in the wrong name!

[@rebelprincess1164]

Fun fact: The scene where Wonka fakes the limp and does the role in the original movie was actually Gene Wilder’s idea. He liked the idea that from the moment you meet him, you’re never quite sure when Willy Wonka is being sincere and when he’s fucking with you.

[@MrJamaigar]

Johnny Depp's Wonka is sincere alright; you're sincerely creeped out by this weirdo.

[@vinnipolicastro5683]

This movie hit me at just the right age where I kind of love it. There’s a lot of weird shit in it but I think that’s partly why I love it? Like how horny it is for some reason 😂 I think the cast is great. I know Depps performance is very strange but I think it works in the context of the film. I have shown both iterations of the film to my daughter and she loves them both. Also there is a lot of CGI in this film I will give you that but there is also SO much practical stuff too which is fascinating. Thanks for doing this one finally I’ll shut up now lol

[@shyfoxfeatherhere6446]

there actually Isn't a lot of CGI in this movie. Just a lot of really big sets. things like the boat, Violet turning into a blue berry and maybe some of the flash backs were some of the only uses of CGI

[@nailinthefashion]

How old is she? What a trooper, that must be so fun. Show her other weird stuff like ParaNorman or Spaceballs

[@vinnipolicastro5683]

⁠@@nailinthefashion she’s 5. Don’t know if she’s quite ready for spaceballs haha but one day. Although she does Love ParaNorman watch it every Halloween.

[@nailinthefashion]

@@vinnipolicastro5683 wow!! If this didn't scare or freak her at 5 then she is definitely super cool, you lucked out! My spooky loving heart is melted, thank you

[@BlueBoboDoo100]

The one argument I've heard from people who prefer this movie over the older one is "it's sooo much closer to the book." And they're right, it is. But here's the dirty little secret: The Gene Wilder one is actually better than the book. I love Roald Dahl, but it's my least favorite of his books. I was so disappointed as a kid when i read it.

[@normalgraham]

The idea that Depp based his performance on eight different people explains why he looked as comfortable as a bug in an Eggar suit Edit: I was also glad that they pointed out the Flag Museum joke since it represented the one and only highlight of the film

[@Hunta04]

The Bush shoe video on the anniversary of the event? Absolutely masterful

[@thefonzkiss]

The Wonka and Joker thrones aren’t the same, that’s just an incorrect piece of trivia on IMDB.

[@raylder6339]

And I’d like to add, in response to something you boys said about making the RotS video that’s 40+ mins long, I watch that video as part of a hangover cure ritual which I start BEFORE I go to bed. Something about eating a banana with multivitamin drink and tentatively having some carbohydrates to rescue me from the alcohol is just missing my favourite Aussie blokes talking straight about my favourite childhood film.

[@bensneb360]

I saw this movie when it came out, and I did appreciate it being more faithful to the book, like I was happy they included the Indian prince and his chocolate castle scene

[@RangerJackWalker]

This version is superior because it uses the wonderful songs from the book. Glad to see whoever edited this video agrees that the songs in this version are great. 😂

[@Gwadzilla7]

Chad Editor Lawrence pretty much discarding James' opinion of the music is my highlight of this CoG lol

[@NickKinzel]

For real, I think this is my favorite Elfman soundtrack ever

[@mctown972]

RIP Mr Depp😞 who tragically died on set while filming “The Lone Ranger”

[@TomBongJovi]

Roald Dahl disowned the original movie, he hated it so much that he refused for any live action adaptations to be made while he was alive. He hated Gene Wilder as Willy and wanted Peter Sellers Johnny was playing Wonka like an antisocial, isolated weirdo, because thats exactly what he was, he was a guy that locked himself away from everyone aside from some weird pygmys that all look the same

[@mrcritical6751]

He also wanted Spike Milligan

[@HULLGRAFFITI]

Now that would have been interesting @@mrcritical6751

[@HAL_NOVEMILA]

Exactly, for fans of the books the latter one is the better adaptation...

[@richkee2024]

This might be the ultimate example that fidelity to an author's vision is not a guarantee of superior work. Wilder's version is a more focused and intelligent take by an actor using natural charisma which blends into an ensemble, whereas Depp comes off as an arrogant actor trying to draw attention to himself by throwing out gimmicks and "weird for the sake of weird" noises which are far off from the book and pull attention from his co-stars. I struggle to believe that Roald Dahl would have liked Depp's take either.

[@degau558]

@@HAL_NOVEMILA A more faithful adaptation, sure, but not sure about better personally

[@g.willikers465]

I feel like Tim Burton would approve of the oversized ear horn you gave him.

[@Pusher97]

My very sleep deprived boyfriend once called this “Willy and the Wonka factory” and that makes me laugh

[@GillRockatansky]

Wilder's Wonka - childlike wonder. Depp's Wonka -childhood trauma.

[@taiwothomas5759]

Literally, I think that’s a major point they’re missing.

[@GillRockatansky]

@@taiwothomas5759 I don't think they missed it, they said they hated it, maybe they didn't fully highlight how it informs Depp's characterization. The film's failing is that it shows us 2 very different portrayals of Wonka and Christopher Lee not recognising him reinforces this, so no wonder audiences were wondering why he acted like he did rather than empathising with him.

[@stormhought]

Charlie & The Chocolate Factory is better version and nobody can convince me otherwise

[@DrRipper19]

When you said "two years earlier" I was like "what? naah, charlie and the chocolate factory didn't come out in 2005!" oh sweet jesus

[@KC-lm7gm]

There's some fantastic editing and visual gags in this video. I mostly listen to KZbin vids, but I always take the time to sit and watch Caravan of Garbage so I don't miss anything - class act!

[@alejoSOTOful]

Oh man, I've been reading the Dune novels and Paul (the character that Timothee Chalamet plays) regrettably compares himself to Hitler at some point. Now he's playing Wonka and I can't get out of my head the idea of Willy Wonka cherishing the moment lol

[@JacobRavenglass]

16:51 "Not a joke, not a misdirect." I love how you guys have your own cinematic universe's worth of references and callbacks. Now I'm gonna go listen to "Sins of the Father".

[@Memu_]

I for one love this movie to death. Especially the very odd way Wonka was played. The entire movie is just bizarre in the best way possible. Me and my sister have watched this maybe every year or two so it holds a special place in my heart.

[@scarlettNET]

I grew up on the original one on DVD, and then I caught this movie on TV one day in like 2011 and was surprised at how faithful to the book it was, and how cool it was too. I like this one a lot more because of how faithful it is. I also think the "Wonka's dad" subplot is genuinely good because otherwise the emotional core of the story disappears as soon as Charlie wins the ticket and it kinda just becomes "look at these random events with kids dying and no real plot beyond that". Plus it's just good to see Christopher Lee in anything.

[@boat1280]

To each their own. I find this movie a stupid nightmare with none of the impact of the first adaptation. Grandpa Joe was the villain and without that it’s just a weird gross ickfest

[@TechnologicallyTechnical]

The more I hear people say “but the 2005 one is closer to the book” the more I’m convinced the book is bad.

[@cgirlrocks11]

Yeah I absolutely love this movie.

[@roneyandrade6287]

Yeah it really feels like a generational divide, a lot of people feel the same with The Cat in The Hat movie older people hate it, younger people love it.

[@LuisSierra42]

2005 is my favorite as well

[@ItsNickFox]

Timothy Chalamet doesn’t actually walk in the new movie. He only moves by forward rolling.

[@marcusnelson7026]

The implication that W was a smoker is completely off base, everyone knows he snorted.

[@ethanhart129]

Alright, here's why I love this movie: The set design is some of the best of Burton's entire career. This was pre-Alice in Wonderland Burton, so the majority of this movie (especially the big set pieces) are built sets. The chocolate room is stunning. They used miniatures, matte paintings-the only scenes to truly rely on CGI are the boat ride and the elevator scene. Danny Elfman's score is awesome. Both the instrumental score that accompanies the film and the Oompa-Loompa songs. I like Johnny Depp's performance. I also think the child actors are miles better than their 1971 counterparts; they actually bothered to give Mike and Violet personalities this time around! They also gave personalities to the other grandparents, as opposed to the fact they were played by cardboard cutouts in the 1971 version. All the stuff about family may seem like it's crowbarred in, but not necessarily. The book is essentially about the pitfalls of parenting and how you can raise a spoiled brat (all the messages in the Oompa-Loompa songs seem directed towards the parents rather than the kids), so it's not too much of a stretch to say that Willy Wonka (noted weirdo and possible psychopath) is the way he is because of the way he was raised. Also both of Tim Burton's parents died in the early 2000s, and he did say that the dentist scene at the end was inspired by his estranged mother who he discovered had posters of all his films before she died. The backstory stuff is probably the weakest part of the film, but it at least feels like it came from a personal place for Burton, even if it doesn't exactly work. Also Deep Roy's awesome

[@epicbruhmoment6985]

Speaking of Snyder cut, you mentioned way back that there was an animatic of that in the works like the Star Wars Ep.9 one? Whatever happened with that? I'd love to see you guys do something with the cancelled Snyder script leaks regardless since they're such a goldmine of content for all their delightful snyderisms

[@lvrobertus]

Personally I really liked this movie, I saw it first before the original and loved them both.

[@sherman128]

I was about to be SO dissapointed when you brought up the grandpa Joe getting out of bed thing and I shouldn't have been. This is the single dumbest point in every conversation about that movie. "Grandpa Joe should get a job, he's a benefit thief" always drove me fucking nuts as someone who's got family in a similiar position.

[@SeanORaigh]

I'd like to think that Wonka was a prequel written specifically to tell the story of how Willy Wonka learnt how to do that roll.

[@benjaminjenkins394]

Absolutely hate this film and Tim Burton. It’s like they looked at the Gene Wilder version and thought “hmm how can we drain the life out of this story?”.

[@googaboogaloo]

I can’t believe this video is 18 minutes of two men just Wonkin’ their Willies.

[@katieholland4244]

But fr I'd watch a movie where Willy Wonka is an escaped Nazi scientist.

[@GUNUFofficial]

They recently found concept art for an animated willy wonka that was cancelled because quest for camelot failed. It's f*cking nightmare fuel.

[@HAL_NOVEMILA]

I love this movie, it's much more faithful to the books... I agree that Depp is a bit weird in it, but overall it's much more similar to what I had imagined when I've read the books as a little lad.

[@TheShanicpower]

I think it’s partially because the original feels like this sappy Disney musical, while this one keeps some of the darker elements from the book, for better or worse.

[@jonbaxter2254]

It's whimsical and charming.

[@Mrs.Garrison69]

This is nothing like the book, the book was entertaining, this movie is FAR from entertaining. If you love this movie, that’s a big red flag to me on your judgments of not just film, but pretty much everything in general. Because that’s the only way someone could enjoy anything about this movie, 🍿 ts because you don’t know right from wrong. That’s the only logical explanation, probably abuse women and children to make yourself feel big you piece of shit, because that’s the level of bad judgment you have to have to say you “LOVE” this piece of garbage embarrassment of a film. This is so much more offensive to me than child pornography, the book was ok, but the 71 film is a classic landmark in cinema, for this movie to share anything with it means that we have truly steeped down a peg as a species both intellectually and spiritually. IE-Your dumb and a bad person who probably rapes women and hates gay people as well as protests abortions, because that’s the level of PISS POOR judgment you need to “LOVE” this movie.

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

Yep, exactly. I knew that Dahl hated the original, so I adored this one for how accurate it was.

[@Mrs.Garrison69]

@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZepYa, but Dahl hated this one for being shitty, he was very against Elfman and Burton making this movie.

[@GarethMatteson]

The problem I have with most people’s criticism of this movie is that most of it stems from comparison to the Gene Wilder movie. But Roald Dahl famously hated the Gene Wilder version, so Burton specifically asked the cast and crew not to watch it, and to just defer to the book. So you could call it an inferior remake, but according to some it’s a superior adaptation that is unrelated to the Gene Wilder movie. The two movies don’t even have the same name. One is a proto-broadway musical, and the other is simply an adaptation of the source material without the frills.

[@amityislandchum]

"Burton specifically asked the cast and crew not to watch it" as if they all hadn't seen it already? Lol. Maybe some of the child actors hadn't, but all the adults (including Johnny Depp) definitely watched it 300 times since they were children.

[@GarethMatteson]

@@amityislandchum I’m sure they did. But the point of Burton’s direction isn’t assuming that they haven’t already seen it. It’s specifically asking them not to recall what that movie did as a basis for their own work. It’s not unheard of for a cast and crew to watch movies/read books while on the set of a movie, in order to help them get a vibe for what they are making. Some of the cast and crew of LOTR for instance read the books while filming was happening. Whether or not they’d read it before is irrelevant to the fact that it aided in getting everyone in a certain shared headspace.

[@GarethMatteson]

@@OldManYellsAtClouds Comparisons are inevitable, but the problem with holding the two movies side-by-side when criticizing Burton’s film is that it is not judged on its own merits. So I’m specifically calling out when audiences compare it to the musical version as a basis for criticism. Again, Burton didn’t go into production with the mindset of a “remake”, but rather a “literary adaptation”. So if his movie was made through that lens, it is best enjoyed through that same lens. And a lot of people do enjoy it through that lens (myself included). If this was an undeniably bad movie, then there’d be no point in bringing this up. But a lot of Roald Dahl fans and Burton fans love this film. I think it shows lack of respect to artists like Burton and Dahl for audiences to not take that into strong consideration when criticizing this film.

[@MostlyMildMidnights]

As someone who was around 8 years old around the time this movie came out, I always preferred it to the Gene Wilder version. I really liked the music and felt that the uncomfortable atmosphere created a more enjoyable experience. Even played the video game on DS.

[@coleboone8826]

Would have been a great chance to make a blue harvest joke by saying they had to crush up a certain kind of blueberries to make the face paint for the blueberry scene

[@munohlow]

We don’t talk about the blueberry scene

[@blar2112]

Charlie & The Chocolate Factory is a lot more of a faithful adaptation of the book, Charlie is supposed to be weird and lack any social skills.

[@Jepze158]

True but Gene Wilder is da man.

[@Mads97415]

The amount of people I see in the comments saying pretty much "Well this is objectively better than the OG movie because it's closer to the books" is kinda annoying to me... I don't know if people realize that there can be book adaptions that aren't exactly the same as the books that are great as well! Like do you use the same criticisms against The Shining or Mary Poppins? Of course there are movie adaptions that are really similar to the books that are GREAT and seem to be better for being so similar to the books, but it's a case by case basis of course.

[@Jepze158]

It is just zoomers trying to justify their nostalgia for a mediocre film.

[@kevinphiggins]

So wild to me that Depp says he didn’t base his performance on Michael Jackson when the character is so clearly “what if Marilyn Manson was Michael Jackson” (except nobody knew what a monster Marilyn Manson was IRL at the time)

[@pamelalansbury94]

I don’t want to get eaten by a squirrel, or whatever

[@SpencerLee97]

They had like a weird small doughnut as a tie in for this movie and I only ever had it a handful of times but I remember it being amazing.

[@EdWedgie]

I completely disagree, I love Johnny Depp being a completely off putting weirdo in this movie. I actually think this movie can be converted into a horror film if the tone was a little different.

[@tonymoore78]

Oh my goodness I live for when they say “Squih-rills”. So good.

[@geoffok]

It makes me wish I'd been born deaf

[@eenymeenymynemo]

I can't believe you missed this slice of chocolate trivia: Grandpa Joe's Coke pinkies

[@mrdoctorgilmore]

So disappointed we'll never get an adaptation of Great Glass Elevator. Wonka goes to space, fights Aliens, discovers immortality and visits purgatory.

[@maddieskywalker2881]

What are the chances that the supposed 'Snyder Cut' is actually going to be Snake Eyes 🤔. I've lost all faith in the boys not lying to us at this point.

[@swagman8011]

I was surprised to learn that other big names like Jim Carrey, Nicolas Cage, Mike Myers were also considered for Willy Wonka and might have been better casting choices. With Carrey and Cage, I. could see them delivering more of the unhinged and Psycho side of Wonka and would have felt more like Gene Wilder

[@myohmyDesign]

Poor Mason having to watch the Snyder Cut for a second time 😂

[@HerSilentAce]

Bring back guy who shouts Rodney for the Snyder cut review

[@carn5haun343]

I always find it hilarious the way the much bigger Will Smith struts away so proud after slapping Chris Rock, despite barely even moving or hurting him 😅

[@bethanychatman9531]

It is funny. You know my theory is that Will regretted getting out if his seat to begin with and just felt like he had to continue because he brought attention to himself. And no i don't think Jada's to blame for what this grown man chose to do.

[@Flukex-ew7yo]

Broooooo "Augustus Gloop" by Danny Elfman has no right to go that HARD. Those trumpets thoooo?! 🔥🔥🔥🔥legit on my gym playlist.

[@FordFourD-aka-Ford4D]

I gotta agree, *Johnny Depp's performance* in this clashes with everything else that's going on. Like it's fighting the rest of the movie!

[@imanoldurango8213]

I find it absolutely hilarious. Along with most of this movie

[@ScotSteam47]

@@imanoldurango8213 ye I gotta admit, it was weird enough for me to be hilarious

[@hellfish2309]

It’s actually the movie “Joker”

[@LuisSierra42]

He's supposed to be weird and creepy

[@ScotSteam47]

@@LuisSierra42 totally

[@snowrubu]

the editor has clearly been watching a lot of tenant era doctor who lately. i respect this

[@medalion1390]

Also the fact that this movie came out the same year Doctor Who was rebooted.

[@astrowolvez]

Oh man I remember loving this movie as a kid, and actually around the time this came out we had just read the book in school. Good times.

[@isaiahyinko7182]

I was 6 years old when the movie came out in 2005. How about you?

[@waywardlaser]

When I was a kid I loved both versions. They each have their strengths and weaknesses.

[@li-limandragon9287]

The music slaps in this c’mon guys.

[@TheJesselopez1981]

Agreed. Danny Elfman is the audio counterpart to Tim Burton, but that's not a bad thing. I like this movie, even how weird Wonka is. He is a rich, secluded, artist and possibly a notsee scientist. It is purposefully skewed, just like the book. Lose the r-slur though.

[@ethanhart129]

@@TheJesselopez1981 Fun fact, screenwriter John August says that he does regret putting the r-slur in the script

[@HAL_NOVEMILA]

@@TheJesselopez1981 Couldn't care less bout the "R slur", it's just a word...

[@TheJesselopez1981]

@HAL_NOVEMILA good for you. Your so tough.

[@Jedi-xm7rw]

​@@TheJesselopez1981*You're* and considering Mike Teavee isn't really a character you're supposed to be rooting for, I don't really see the problem with it.

[@cameronmiller2955]

Agree with Ben and Lawrence that all of the songs are certified bangers

[@MechaWingZero]

It's not a remake, it's a separate film adaptation of the book. And I think it's honestly a very good one.

[@jkc6210]

This is actually the easiest movie to make a blue harvest joke for, but i guess James did do one of his famous misdirects

[@lukelasater1]

4:46 wait…what?!? The music is awesome in this! Bad take. Leaving a like anyway because you said we had to.

[@dartagnancurt4392]

I would like for Laurence to get his own segment like how Ben does about how good the music was.

[@bixbyte_]

If you really think about it, all of these kid's problems were really encouraged and enabled by their parents, and *they* are the ones who should have been punished, not the kids.

[@robertbrookes2000]

Setting aside the Michael Jackson influence for Wonka, and Charlie having a blank personality (I know that latter part is more book accurate but for the film it's a negative), this film is actually pretty great. I like how they modernised Violet & Mike, having violet as this uber competitive martial artist encouraged by her mother whose living vicariously through her (note their identical outfits), and Mike being a violent videogame addict and a hacker (showing his uncaring nature for the spirit of the competition). While they're no Pure Imagination, I really like the Elfman songs. Adapting the book lyrics in unique styles really adds a new flavour that I prefer to the repetitive Oompa Loompa songs of the original. And the sets & costume designs look really unique. I remember seeing somewhere some of Burton's own illustrations, and they certainly brought them to life. The hospital like clean blue of the Nut Room, the crooked Bucket house, the small round treehouses of the Oompa Loompas, there is a real style to it all. Even the levers in the factory all have a spindly elongated Burton quality. Over the years I've learnt to appreciate the Wonka backstory. I like how by the end, it's Charlie that has to teach him a lesson. Charlie refuses to take ownership of the family, because he doesn't want to end up a lonely recluse like Wonka did. Remember of course Wonka fired all the workers when spies were sent in, so that comes back to bite him a bit. And a big plus is how they balanced the whole British/American setting, as the books have slight differences in UK & US copies (like the money Charlie finds to buy the winning bar). In this film they intentionally make it muddled. Willy Wonka has a very American accent, but then his father Wilbur is Christopher Lee, about as English as you can sound. The Buckets are all rather British, but will say words like Candy Bar and Pants (instead of Chocolate Bar & trousers). It's a fun detail that I think appeases both sides of the pond.

[@onesaucynougat7471]

15:31 this unfortunately, did not age well 😬

[@Paul-yu8gg]

Was looking for this comment 😂

[@ambrite]

I didn't watch the Tim Burton version for years because I heard it wasn't good, but when I eventually saw it on TV I was surprised how much I liked it. I don't think it's better than or replaces the original, it's just different. I liked the songs 😂