These World Record Super Mario 64 Speedrunners Were All Caught Cheating

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Edit: Song from 5:47 - 6:20 has been muted due to copyright. Thanks, Sony.
Unmuted Clip: drive.google.com/file/d/1tRl7...
IMPORTANT CLARIFICATIONS by FrostyZako; After watching, please check pinned comment and read: docs.google.com/document/d/1Q...
A Brief History of Cheaters in Super Mario 64
Under no circumstances should anyone watching this video attempt to seek out or harass any of the individuals shown in this video.
FrostyZako's Resource Hub: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
The History of Cheating Incidents in Super Mario 64: docs.google.com/document/d/1d...
The Extra Chapters: docs.google.com/document/d/10...
Sources: docs.google.com/document/d/1G...
All documents written by FrostyZako
Editor's Note: Early runs on SpeedDemosArchive used a different system for timing Super Mario 64 runs in which they started from when the player first gains control of Mario rather than from console power on. This makes SDA timing about a minute faster than modern day timing conventions. For the sake of clarity, any pages showing SDA timings have been edited to show their modern day equivalent times. Some forum posts have also had names edited for the sake of protecting players' identities.
Videos Used:
• To the Top of the Fort...
• Very tedious and nerdy...
• SM64 [TAS] - BOB 100 c...
Videos of any still existing cheated runs can be found in the sources for FrostyZako's writeup.
Music List: pastebin.com/5kVn9zcP
0:00 Intro
1:07 The First Cheaters
7:23 The Downfall of Singlestar
11:04 Japan's Cheaters
17:11 Worlds Collide
22:11 Aftermath and Conclusions
25:23 Outro

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IMPORTANT EDIT: After several more watchings, FrostyZako has compiled his own thoughts and clarifications on this video. There are some much needed clarifications on potentially misleading sections of the history that this video has covered. Please read about them here: docs.google.com/document/d/1Q8nzdqtn86B5Ewo6i7eb_vVBddeYH093lOQmxAiSlrg I am EXTREMELY grateful to Zako's help in every step of this video's production even after its final release. Check the community post on my channel page for more info: kzbin.infoUgzetxdvlR5D7mtdul54AaABCQ Under no circumstances should anyone watching this video attempt to seek out or harass any of the individuals shown in this video. I do not condone cheating nor do I condone harassment. Please behave yourselves. Edit: Subtitles have now been added. Thank you all so much for watching! I hope to have a slightly more frequent upload schedule in the future (1-2 vids per month hopefully). This video was the result of over a month of consolidating 10+ years of information. That being said, my job was just to put all of the pieces together. The pieces themselves were almost entirely provided by SM64 Historian FrostyZako. Zako's incredible work is essentially what made this whole video possible. He additionally helped me through the entire writing process by constantly providing me with even more detailed information and updating his own writings accordingly. This went a long way in helping this video to be as complete as it is. Many of those extra details go beyond the scope of this video though, so please check out Zako's full writeups on the subject for a more in depth look. There's even a cheater or two that I didn't cover here. Links in the description. :)

[@peaman3905]

42000 subs Nice

[@peaman3905]

@@gacd2104 yeah I should’ve just said ice

[@Josuh]

You're very dedicated to this, bro, thanks

[@zoeythickness7478]

Nearly 6 mil, in your first vid, and nearly 50k subscribers, how do you do it?

[@brokenmelodies723]

I really enjoyed your last video and can't wait for your future uploads. You put a lot of work into your posts. Thank you.

[@realmackle]

Imagine getting caught for a splice because you wouldnt shut up about yourself lmfao

[@eggleysucks]

Lmaoooo

[@PirateShux]

Lmaoooo

[@impossiblehanley2732]

Here destroying a chain even before it is born.

[@PirateShux]

@@impossiblehanley2732 I bet you eat soup with a fork you chain killing monster.

[@Verisity]

@@PirateShux i eat fork with a soup

[@toneillable]

That Myles dude got caught and immediately gave an anime villain monologue.

[@carl_the_]

He really went "لا يوجد شيء مثل ظباء الموت أنت قوة الفصام وضيع الجياع"

[@enzoqueijao]

It sounds like the dude had been wanting to say that for a long while, waiting for the right chance to talk about his antelopr of death

[@borisnetwork]

You sly dog, you had me monologing

[@atablevendetta1429]

What part was this at? I forgot Bruh

[@smoosty_]

My name is literally Myles, and when i saw your comment I thought I got into shit for a moment lmao

[@beegyoshi4450]

that silence after 5:47 was quite terrifying because im watching that at 1 in the morning

[@bappo1447]

Freaked me out too lol

[@nate-ox5lw]

Yeah it confused me

[@harrogeorge7878]

It was, definitely weird.

[@bigyoshi1619]

me 2 xdd

[@sugaryhull9688]

I wonder if that part was muted for copyright reasons

[@stinknicclis]

I like how ToT makes a genuine apology and then Myles just has this villain monologue

[@youwerethere]

ToT apology: genuine and honest Myles apology: doofenshmirtz backstory

[@carterferris07]

So is that a good apology?😂

[@austins.2495]

Nice name drop

[@doggosho3044]

Myles: it all started at my birth, neither of my parents showed up

[@carterferris07]

@@doggosho3044 Myles: Okay so when a man and a women love each other, a child is born, and that child is usually destined for greatness, and I am not that child!

[@thefounder5395]

"Choo choo"

[@mr.personalspace7831]

Nah, they’re all just lucky. Just ask this random anonymous Harvard mathematician.

[@yenzoi]

😂

[@splendidgaming1981]

🦴

[@robit8174]

Dream turning into drem

[@delaneyelekes8660]

Yeah, I couldn't stop thinking about Dream either throughout the vid. I guess at the very least, he probably won't cheat again. But it would be nice if someday he came clean.

[@billnye8760]

But these can't be proven wrong.

[@fossilizedamber]

Normal cheater apology : I'm so sorry it'll never happen again Myles: ah, the antelope of death, we must discuss this later.

[@casualbiscuit]

“Ah, the antelope of death” is now one of my favorite quotes

[@furuyawn]

"ah, the antelope of death" im using that phrase from now on anytime anything mildly inconvenient happens to me

[@xenasBS]

I was looking for this. Holy shit that's an insane line.

[@rebbeca5967]

Hillarious! The DRAMA is strong with this one.

[@amyt4517]

That is a really funny pun I was laughing as soon as I read it XD

[@jerrychan186]

Can someone explain because words are hard

[@renaultft1917]

I'm gonna mix it up and accidentally say "The cantaloupe of death"

[@RussyPopDnD]

Myles' confession post reads like a Creepypasta holy shit

[@TevoMunch]

i was freaked out, good music choice too lmao

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Honestly it would make for a great ARG/creepypasta Guy holds a world record for a while Gets caught cheating Then that's when the creepy stuff starts

[@StarkMaximum]

Honestly, to me it sounds like someone who's not taking the accusation seriously because he just sees it as "cheating in a video game for kids", thus why he seems to be acting like being caught cheating was some grand sin to the point where he was having omens in dreams about it. It has a tone of "whatever dude, I throw myself on the mercy of the court, I'm the criminal, do what you will with me". So no, I don't think it's creepy, I think it's someone acting like it's ridiculous to take his run so seriously as a defense mechanism.

[@pierrecolin6376]

@@StarkMaximum No, he’s just autistic.

[@leedlelel2373]

@@pierrecolin6376 why do you quickly assume anyone who acts weird is autistic?

[@Nutshaq]

That audio cut on Myles's apology scared the shit out of me

[@supersharkelijah7087]

Same😂

[@funkyfreshuuhhh2199]

This man made 3 great videos and was then like: “Alright, I’m bout’ to head out.”

[@k9commander142]

I was looking for this comment, I just didn't know I was until I found it

[@allien.777]

fr 😪 always the best channels that disappear. hope hes ok tho tbh

[@TheLemonyBard]

Myles could have stopped at “I’ll never do it again,” but I guess he just HAD to be as extra as possible and make it sound like he got caught murdering someone

[@PopADoseYo]

Myles really went the extra mile.

[@Chris-mc2dt]

“Ah, the antelope of death. It’s because I cheated in Super Mario 64.” We’ve clearly peaked as a species, may as well just wrap it all up now.

[@jongameaddict]

It's like he thought God was coming for him, lmao

[@babybunny3002]

@@PopADoseYo LMAOO

[@thatoneguy9582]

@@jongameaddict I think he did

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Myles acted like he was confessing to premeditated murder with his post

[@chrish8430]

ai

[@artanthywisnuwardhany87]

how did you comment the latest and almost got top comment

[@valeriob36]

@@artanthywisnuwardhany87 He is pretty well known as someone who comments alot (he only has one video on his channel and doesn't seem interested in making more) there are a few people like him, but he is the most recognisable I think it's because of his name. There actually are people who name themselves after him for example: "Just Some Guy with half a Mustache" and the same profilepic but with one side of a mustache edited on to it. If he hadn't turned his subscribercount off, he would probably have atleast 1000 but probably more. If that answers your question, great! If not then I'm sorry.

[@artanthywisnuwardhany87]

@@valeriob36 thx for the answer

[@VonSnuggles1412]

Well you see here, he did murder a potential career

[@shazmah]

The bit about runners who were falsely accused and subsequently retired while the community was paranoid is interesting, I bet there's a lot of stories to tell from that time

[@felixgutierrez993]

Myles just went through a whole epileptic episode in his own mind and saw his own demons or some shit...over Mario 64 dang

[@cowabummer5687]

i mean, he would be extremely stressed about improving his time. imagine doing that for weeks at a time and small things fucking it up. i imagine he must have been under some kind of stress psychosis or delusions, i really hope he’s gotten his life on track again…

[@Cody-ps3wy]

It’s clear he wasn’t okay mentally when he wrote that guy wrote it as if he had just admitted to committing murder

[@SomeIcelandicDude]

Charlie Brown gotten a lot better since the Christmas Special.

[@charliebrown64]

nothing could ever compare

[@sukhbirsandhu8441]

Lol

[@calciferlangary]

Personally I prefer the great pumpkin.

[@reiko6567]

@@charliebrown64 69 likes is the perfect balance

[@tunaman5448]

Which Christmas special

[@solacegotswag]

What I find hilarious is the holy moly guy, if he just kept his mouth shut people wouldn't have suspected anything, yet he decided to go and brag about it. I love it its so funny to me

[@NeoArashi]

Ikr? Literally every videos I watched that mentioned Holy Moly all said he would have gotten away with his fake run if he had not went and bragged at someone else's run.

[@aserver9312]

Explain your pfp

[@Mikoyan_MiG-29]

hmm thats a sketchy pfp innit man?

[@navadax4541]

@@aserver9312 Why do you care

[@biwarayoganata]

@@aserver9312 just an Egyptian cat. Nothin' sussy about it.

[@Barfyyyyy]

i like ToT's apology, it was genuine and this video really did them a platform to speak. imagine how awful they mustve felt to keep all of that hidden. sometimes reaching out to those who cheated really do feel regret and just wanna apologize. videos like these make me feel happy, especially when you actually reach out to the people you mentioned and did research on

[@spr1ngcactu5]

Imagine going years as the TRUE and HONEST world record holder and thinking you were 2nd or 3rd best because others cheated, you can’t give that back with “sorry”

[@MishKoz]

1:59 "Super Mario 64 speedrun but every time I cheat the volume increases"

[@BastianTheGreatestCreatorEver]

iceberg man

[@c418vgytre]

That's tails

[@JulianR2JG]

Iceberg Climbersp

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Glad to see you here

[@spktk64]

new challenge run :o also wOaH iCeBeRg gUy

[@afk797_]

Yeah Baby. You can play like TAS. Very Impressive. Back in 2004 I held the 16 Star Record for several years. Holy Moly

[@rybo4663]

Lemme just, check your run real quick

[@Mister_Clean]

@@rybo4663 HOL UP

[@jgowdey]

Holy Moly

[@Magicdfox]

legend

[@Practicalinvestments]

I remember seeing that comment on cheese’s vid and thinking “who the hell cares dude” lol

[@frankhan1460]

Dang, you're telling me that all these japanese speedrunners cheated and abused their positions as popular streamers to harass the moderation team, gaslight their audience despite clear evidence, and suffered little to no consequences? I'm really glad that doesn't happen here! *Looks at dream's 29 million subscribers*

[@KihanaKat]

ToT admitting to cheating and giving an honest apology made me feel… something. It wasn’t pity. It wasn’t sadness, just… the feeling of being satisfied. Someone who did something they know to be wrong admitted and apologized to doing so. Props to them.

[@trequor]

We can't just gloss over the fact that ToT cheated as a teenager and regretted it as an adult. We're all ashamed of the way we acted when we were 14.

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

Yeah, honestly, I feel for ToT. Teenhood is stressful, confusing, and unpleasant half the time. He's clearly done a lot of growing up, but he'll have to live with this mark on his reputation forever. All I can hope is that he still finds joy in video games, even if SM64 might bring back painful memories.

[@sl00opy89]

Can you give me the time stamp because I haven’t watched all the video

[@HardToBeAPoopGod]

14 year-olds are the worst, and we can admit to this from our very own experience

[@amyt4517]

@@HardToBeAPoopGod I’m not 14 yet but I’m almost there and once I pass that I think I will start to feel you

[@Fire-Manz]

Can you imagine going to sleep and all of sudden your mind is like; Hey, remember you cheated at Mario 64? Do you hear the messages from the web of your lies? Bruh, the cringe and shame alone is enough punishment lol.

[@taskmagician4289]

Tot seems like a really genuine guy, his response was perfect and we shouldn’t hold anything against him especially since he was literally a kid. A kid making dumb decisions, I wouldn’t even hold it against him if he was a legal adult (18). Of course a teenager isn’t going to make the best decisions, adolescence are the years that teaches us what not do do from trail and error. Honestly he shouldn’t even feel bad about it, just be like yeah I fucked up but I learned from it and moved on. As should everyone else.

[@RayMcKigney]

It makes me glad that I was 14 in the early '90s. If I had been born 10 years later I'm sure I'd have a lot of embarrassing shit on the internet.

[@taskmagician4289]

@@RayMcKigney haha don’t we all

[@papasscooperiaworker3649]

@@RayMcKigney What type of embarrassing shit?

[@bgaming2297]

Myles, on the other hand....

[@leviathandrumming2175]

@@papasscooperiaworker3649 Being a teenager, with a flush of impulsive emotions? Don't act like you don't know, guy. Get off that high horse.

[@zxzy]

myles just admitting to be a 30 year old virgin for no reason made me laugh so hard 😂

[@mrkitloin]

Holy moly is the type of dude who would call the cops to report his drugs were stolen

[@jackz5476]

"Ah, the antelope of death. It's because I cheated in Super Mario 64. This will need to be addressed soon."

[@karalyna2004]

NO

[@lemone630]

Y E S

[@cantcommute]

no

[@ifureaddisugay]

Y E S

[@62049]

I genuinely dont understand what hes trying to say

[@iwannaseehowlongyoucanmakethis]

"Ah, the Antelope of Death"

[@cookieblobber]

Of course, the most common sleep paralysis demon

[@abloogywoogywoo]

I was seriously "wat da faq" at that point...

[@redshepherd32]

just...............yikes

[@EngrMamun-vg2yz]

@@redshepherd32 you mean ‘holy moly’

[@ARCHIVED9610]

@@cookieblobber my sleep paralysis demon is a shining ball of light..

[@dudeman5303]

Also, the ice cave music at the end was such a nice addition to the video. That song is so simple, but so damn good. It's shocking how great they made the soundtracks for games that couldn't have live instrument recordings, like Ocarina of Time or from older systems like Super Castlevania IV. Being made with only midi type systems, it's just crazy how well people learned to make them work. I hated midi recordings growing up and yet I never realized that's essentially what those OSTs were because they wrote, and utilized textures, so well.

[@WanukeX]

3:28 - In some countries where the grid frequency data is public, you can also use the Mains Hum to timestamp exactly when a video was recorded. So even without a stutter in the audio if different parts of the video match up to being recorded at separate times you have a bang on case for splicing.

[@xaf05]

6:10 there's a clear gap in the audio file. This Video is fake!

[@Dan81848]

I can’t believe he would splice like this I trusted him

[@kirbykarter]

Hey! Thats me in the beginning! :) What a rush of memories you brought up of the early speedrunning days in our small niche communities (MK64 was a big/ probably biggest speedrunning commuity back then.) A lot of the SM64 speedrunning growth and community from 03-07ish came from the Mario Kart community (Myles and myself were top runners in MK64 and Marius "Holy Moly" in MKDD). Before this vid, I had already stumbled upon other vidoes that revealed their cheated runs. Reflecting on this, Marius cheating did not exactly suprise me by his particularly aggressive and arrogant demeanor he had on the formus back in the day... but Myles was a disappointing suprise. He was someone I occasionally interacted with that I trusted and respected his other MK64 and SM64 achievements and didn't doubt their validity, and thus trusted and accepted when I saw his video replace mine on SDA. This was an well-made and organized video I stumbled upon. Thank you for retelling an interesting and important part of speedrunning history! It always gives me a warm feeling that my 13-16 year old self had an interest and obsession to go fast in video games that it left a tiny part in speedrunning history. :)

[@charliebrown64]

Thank you for watching, I'm really glad you enjoyed. :) It's amazing to see some of the first people to ever touch this game as a speedrun still be around to check things out now. You guys laid the foundation for some of the best speedruns of all time and we're grateful for the pioneering you've all done. Thank you. :) I really hope I've done your stories justice.

[@charliebrown64]

@kirbykarter Hey, DM me on Twitter or check your channel discussion page. twitter.com/CTheseBs

[@SorisMusic]

Wow, it's crazy to see someone that's been a part of gaming history like that!

[@Unerbroken]

It seems you was the only honest guy at this time of speed running, so my question goes to you, what happened after all those years? What did changed in your life? Are you still running speedruns? Cause I'm in clouds rn, since I'm not that guy to be obsessed for wr.

[@Penguin-gm1fd]

:)

[@Michaelonyoutub]

I remember seeing a comment in a video about speed runners cheating which said "speed runners don't cheat because they can't get a faster time, they cheat to get a faster time faster" which seems more and more true the more speed running videos I watch. A lot of these guys were very skilled at the game but a lot of speed running is about consistency and luck, which takes a lot of practice and many attempts to overcome, and it is so easy to just splice together your best runs, or use a TAS to put in the perfect inputs at the perfect time instead of spending hours to improve your skills.

[@regulator5521]

I like how this channel just came out of no where to talk about cheaters on Super Mario 64

[@jordan-gx8ij]

That Myles apology was sinister. It's like hes a murderer trying his hardest to apologize for killing someone. Creepy shit.

[@everything.editzz]

Nice name

[@somedragonbastard]

I honestly wonder if he was in a right state of mind when writing it. It seems just a little too weird. Maybe years of guilt catching up to him? Idk.

[@dinidusamaranayake3266]

Fr

[@getinthecrust4907]

@@somedragonbastard IDK I kind of got the vibe he was just taking the piss and being saracastic to make fun of the people in the forum but in Australia we have a pretty dry sense of humour so maybe he was being legit.

[@jazberrybear]

@@somedragonbastard I think he’s was one of those crazy super fans of the game, he probably saw it as an actual sin and was really flustered.

[@chuckleberry2142]

I hope Myles is okay. That apology of his was kind of disturbing. He treated cheating on a speedrun as some sort of unforgivable sin. He just sounded really off. I hope all these cheaters learned their lessons and are better people for it.

[@arpogen]

I used to watch ShadowOfMyles on youtube way back in the day. He seemed to be extremely religious/evangelical Christian.

[@samuelrodriguez4374]

@@arpogen as a Christian my self that terrifies me

[@unluckycatfish6866]

@@arpogen well that doesn't sound good or safe

[@_bludie_]

Ah, the antelope of death- Myles

[@Namadu7]

Thank you for not just making a joke about it, like so many other folks here seem to be doing. I'm worried for him too...

[@colwellalec]

Respect ToT a lot for that, dude just came right out and was like "yeah, i was a kid, I was competitive, i did a stupid thing, and I'm extremely ashamed I cheated now" and took the opportunity he was given to come out and say that. Can respect that a lot more than someone in continual denial, deflecting onto others, and pretending nothing happened in the face of overwhelming evidence.

[@Proserpira]

Kids do foolish things. You can only become an adult when you acknowledge your wrongdoings and move forward. ToT has my respect. Knowing that there was going to be a video about what he had done, he chose to talk to you despite his cheating being dug up again. That takes a lot of guts, and a lot of self-reflection on his part.

[@Pc_98_Fan]

"ok yeah, i spliced, but first, let's talk about my past traumas and why i do it"

[@romaios1609]

It's always a massive villain speech and never just "yeah that was dumb"

[@Pc_98_Fan]

@@romaios1609 yeah, have to agree with that. i always saw people saying stuff like "i wasn't that happy with my record" or "my dad beaten me while i was speedrunning, so i had to do it"

[@thatoneguy9582]

but first we need to talk about parallel universes

[@brunoslybruno]

to be fair, what is the fun if we dont know the villain's motivations? we gotta see both sides of the story, maybe even side with the villain a bit more than the protagonist, even if we know it should/will lose

[@GuanlongX]

"But before we talk about that..."

[@frickinfrick8488]

Reading Myles’ confession/apology was... something. They seem to have something really strange going on in their head, I hope they’ve gotten help since.

[@sherrynoff]

yeah. a lot of people meme on it but like, if you type all of that shit out and think to yourself, "that seems right. i shall now post this on the internet for all to see" you probably need some form of help.

[@hboogy101]

@McGinnis 34 no

[@williamhughes8245]

Yeah, he has some symptoms of schizophrenia

[@troywright359]

@@sherrynoff nah if you read comic books, you'll see it for what it is. An attempt to be grandeur in your confession. As famous for it as you were for the speed run in the first place

[@MegaDringus]

they? how many of them are there? lol

[@sketchysketchu]

5:46 for a first time viewer of this video, the missing music was actually pretty creepy and i honestly thought it was intentional until the audio cut in at the end look at that, talking about audio splicing in a video about audio splicing

[@SourSqaud117]

Just wanna say as someone who doesn’t do M64 speed runs but has fun doing others and enjoy watching them this was really entertaining. It was interesting and well paced. Also the message at the end about people growing was a very nice touch. Nice video man :)

[@Mikey64]

Literally this guy would be remembered as a legend if he didn’t come out and brag about his fake record.

[@boxinthejack2166]

Your pfp is cursed

[@Winnie589]

Oh god it’s Kirby Kong

[@reeeeeeeeeeeeeeman6757]

It’s beautiful

[@Owen-ey2gh]

Everyone pretty much forgot about holymoly even before he bragged about his fake run, so he wouldn’t have been remembered. 2:38

[@cantcommute]

Nah somebody would have checked. It's really easy to plug it into a program and get the waveform back. The trick was that humming sound factoid.

[@CallMeNaofumi]

ToT's response was really something special. Honestly really proud of him for taking the opportunity to thoroughly apologize and I really respect him for it. I hope he's doing well, genuinely

[@JMRabil675]

Lol you fool. The rabble will fall for fake apologies like flies to the zapper

[@lukasruston8618]

@@JMRabil675 Didn't know that people who made sayings like you could be so narrow minded.

[@troywright359]

ToT getting people to attack others exposing him echoes those kids in school who would bully other people. Admirable that he apologises now, but.....

[@ZombieManF]

@@troywright359 ...but?

[@DawnAfternoon]

@@JMRabil675 Shouldn't hold kids up to their mistakes. Kids at their 13-14 and adults at their 23-24 are vastly different people most of the time.

[@knghtbrd]

I've heard of instances of kids caught cheating and their runs pulled-sometimes all of their runs, because you can't know for sure which ones were fake and which ones weren't. I'm also aware that some of those people who cheated as kids came back to the communities (sometimes under other names) and not been there to compete, but have used maybe some of the same skills they used to cheat to find new tech, helping catch others who cheat, develop RTA strategies for that tech, reforming themselves and playing casually, getting the hard way and for real the skill they used to pretend to have. Could mods of a particular game's leader boards welcome such a person back to the leader board, with full knowledge of the past, let such a player back in? Maybe. Not easily, perhaps, but sure. I mean, you'd probably want to keep an eye on the m for a bit, but … people change when they have reason to change. (The thing is … you can usually identify an inflection point. I'd never trust someone who "changed" just as they wanted to submit new times, for example.)

[@dungeonpastor]

5:56 where is the sound?

[@dihydrogen]

copyright claim

[@dungeonpastor]

@@dihydrogen sadness

[@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa]

description

[@OmniSync]

the captions say "Fuck you, sony"

[@humter]

Myles’ apology is on par with the “You humor me greatly” apology

[@xtominy1090]

Fr. the difference is one is an apology, the other is him denying evidence

[@accuratejaney8140]

Late but context for that for others: Karl Jobst covered Doom runners who were caught cheating. One of these runners responded with a lengthy spiel, accusing the (first? At least a very good one) Iron Man extra-hard difficulty runner of jealousy and other character flaws (projection? Who knows), resulting in the memorable quote "You humor me greatly with your arrogance and contempt."

[@HardToBeAPoopGod]

@@accuratejaney8140 my favorite part was how this was their first and last ever response to the accusations. it's like he farted in an elevator and just left forever

[@Fire-Manz]

Oh yeah, I am so sorry that ... I got caught! CYA!

[@ryanbell3704]

@@accuratejaney8140 that’s such a weird thing to say… i don’t think he’s using the word “humor” properly there lmao

[@rafagom3277]

"Holy moly"

[@willis1994]

Me when I'm cheating in Mario

[@miguelruiz1137]

Yes

[@thejedisonic67]

The only cheater here we can all still goof on. The guy was confident about his fake run years later he just had to comment about it

[@americantoastman7296]

@@thejedisonic67 dude fr and he had to tack his goofy ass catch phrase at the end - only to be found out as a cheater YEARS later for no other reason than his own ego (I guess). So weird :D

[@816SocialClub]

I think it’s crazy that the first guy probably intentionally distorted the audio to make the spliced audio undetectable at the time. Even though it was the reason for his run being rejected it was still kind of genius.

[@pablopablones3372]

my audio cut off at 5:58 so it was kind of like some kind of analog horror type thing except it didn't have anything that would be disturbing or creepy

[@sleepyredpanda2643]

What’s funny about Holy Moly was that he could of kept his faked run under the radar for much longer had he not been so narcissistic

[@CornbreadThePoohBear]

how tf is this comment 52 years

[@Owen_013]

@@CornbreadThePoohBear His username is "Raw Entice • 52 years ago"

[@bababababababa6124]

@@CornbreadThePoohBear how did you fall for that 😂

[@CornbreadThePoohBear]

@@bababababababa6124 im dumb as hell, obviously

[@maya-the-shitposter]

@@CornbreadThePoohBear hey he's honest about it

[@numburger]

"Widely respected mile stone" A *mylestone* if you will

[@Steve_Bloks]

YOU READ MY MIND 2 YEARS BEFORE I THOUGHT IT HOW BRO U READ MY MIND IN 2022 😭

[@valentinemiller8680]

I'm glad ToT not only apologized for their actions, but were genuine with it and showed that they know what they did was harmful and that they are regretful of their actions. So many people who get caught cheating in speedruns either never admit to their wrongdoings or barely admit to them at all, and they try to justify their actions. While ToT can never undo the damage they caused to the community, at least they understand what they did was wrong and feel genuine regret for their actions. I wish only the best for them, I can tell how much they've matured and grown since this incident.

[@allisonwillett6251]

i was pleasantly surprised to see perfect subtitles for the whole video :) now i dont have to turn it up super loud. i appreciate it

[@lukevamos5627]

“Ah, the antelope of death”

[@humter]

Hmmmm yes antelope of death

[@yokuutsu9097]

Me have heavy burden Me lift boulder to outweigh burden Look in the corner of my eye Ah, the antelope of death.

[@blueraspberry9285]

"it's because I cheated at Mario 64"

[@NightShadow154]

"This will need to be addressed soon."

[@usernamepassword4517]

69th like

[@dekusi1857]

Yeah baby. You can play like TAS. Very impressive. In 2004 I held the 16 Star world record for several years. Holy Moly

[@cullenlatham2366]

Mad respect for the genuine apology of ToT. It feels so rare nowadays, and i wish them all the best in moving forward.

[@budgetcommander4849]

ToT sounded genuinely grateful for the message you sent. I bet that had been eating him up for over a decade, and you helped him finally get that weight off his back. Thanks for that.

[@galacticscripter5510]

The fact your videos are so good this early in your KZbin career is amazing.

[@looogi5098]

ikr

[@ona512]

my best guess is he's done this before. This may be a new channel, but he's got experience already.

[@shadowdragon6302]

Yeah he already has the pog upload schedule

[@pier-lucblais336]

He slice is video !!!! 🤣

[@TheTwolesslives]

20mins long ✅ negative video subject about an already popular topic ✅ clickbait title and thumbnail✅ “calling people out” whiles simultaneously asking people not to “harass” them✅ yeah just another shitty drama channel in the making

[@KernalKeen]

as a deaf veiwer i really appreciate the time to make subtitles. ❤️

[@lordkinesis4432]

I genuinely don't think ToT harassed the moderation team. He claimed he might've but forgot about it, which I don't think would actually happen. I think his followers did that without him asking them to and him saying he might've tried to forget means he didn't do it himself, but still feels somewhat responsible for the behavior of his fans.

[@krumblemumble8628]

I remember cheating in one of my elementary school classes. The one time I cheated, it never occurred to my 7-year-old mind that what I was doing was incredibly bad. The weight of the situation did not hit me until someone in my class told the teacher while we were taking the test. My heart dropped. My life felt like it came to an end. Nothing can ever compare to that feeling of dread that I felt that day. I cannot even remember the punishment that I was given, but I can clearly remember the dark pit of despair that I fell into because of my actions. I can only imagine what those speedrunners must have felt after being caught and confronted by so many people. I hope that they have all learned something about how bad cheating is. I know I will never forget.

[@parlinmains]

Did you have a dream about the antelope of death?

[@cosmix1]

This was how I felt when I got caught cheating on my spelling test. I was too scared to ever do it again.

[@moody7063]

the amount of maturity demonstrated here is really commendable. you talked in the epilogue part of the video about how distinguishing between bad people and bad actions is so important and that these people grow and change over time, repeat offenders in their time or not. i REALLY respect that open mentality.

[@hoodedman6579]

"the amount of maturity demonstrated here is really commendable" The comment I see 4 down from yours is just "Nut"; it's a very funny contrast.

[@olivercharles2930]

no

[@moody7063]

oh okay yeah sure i guess i'm wrong must be because you said no @@olivercharles2930

[@bluedragonfly8139]

Weird how I usually hear people who engage in 'bad actions' and don't want to think of themselves as 'bad people' say almost this exact thing, but never hear people who don't engage in 'bad actions' say this.

[@armand9120]

@@bluedragonfly8139 whether they say it and whether it's true are two different things. I'd like to see you challenge the truth of the claim

[@Acrylescent]

The speed running community has got to be the most detailed oriented hobbyists. It’s wild to think you can get away with cheating.

[@inthefade]

Interestingly enough, mains hums are recorded in different places in many countries, and they can be used with most audio recordings of any sort to determine if it was edited, it's general location, and the time it was recorded. Obviously it is a limited forensic method, but it works surprisingly well.

[@abloogywoogywoo]

Myles: [flies through the air via the power of splicing] The Antelope of Death: Hey kids!! The Antelope of Death: Don't you know that cheaters can't fly?? Myles: [looks down and screams as he realizes he can't]

[@rabbitmaster1110]

that sounds genuinely terrifying, wow

[@abloogywoogywoo]

@@rabbitmaster1110 Powdered Toast Man reference :)

[@TheBestPikachuFan]

Of course I do not condone what ToT did, however I respect the crap out of his confession. That's maturity at it's finest.

[@amyt4517]

I know right?

[@lordhellstrande7188]

It's comforting to see a cheater who got caught simply admitting, apologizing and backing out gracefully

[@fhuckgoogle4171]

Not really. Saying he was going to confess even though it had been so long since the submission was made. He was totally full of shit.

[@tarapurenama8580]

Still better than never

[@nikkiofthevalley]

@@fhuckgoogle4171 That wasn't ToT, that was one of the other people in the video. Even if he had said that, he was still 14. It's been a decade, people can change and grow a lot in that time.

[@FurbyParade226]

Ah, yes. Speed Demos Archive. I remember stumbling across that site after I graduated, around 2006 - 07. I remember watching an OOT run that was like 20 parts long & it blew my mind at the time. I can't believe how far not only OOT speedruns have come, but soeedrunning in general. Good times 👍 Edit - 1) Watching dude get into the Shadow Temple without Din's fire & 2) rolling into a bomb 💣 with your shield to blow you half way across Hyrule Field in the mid 2000's was a jaw dropping find at the time. It had actually crossed my mind that dude was cheating because I hadn't seen it done before.

[@scotch4890]

23:10 it is so weird to see an SVO language translated into a SOV language and vice versa. The sentence is always like an uncanny valley of cogent

[@NaanosVEVO]

Continuing on your KZbin journey, you’re definitely becoming one of my favorite creators. Your personality, editing, research, validity, timing and topics are all so fucking strong. Im also appreciative you can teach me how to spot cheated runs better since I’m an idiot: I’m happy to see you grow so much, thanks for the good work so far Charlie, and holy moly.

[@agadorisabel]

You, my friend are the troll.

[@NaanosVEVO]

@Neko Koshaichi I wish you the best in life

[@Winasaurus]

I love that the huge time improvement was from a guy splicing, then the next one from a guy splicing even harder. Like just imagine in the olympics if some guy beat a track WR by clearly using performance enhancing drugs, and next olympics a guy turns up slamming even MORE just to beat the other cheaters time. If only they used that determination they used to cheat each other out of times to practice the game more. They might have got legit WRs.

[@apersonFN]

Every few months I come back to this video, and I never regret it

[@sugaryhull9688]

That project name is legendary 2:58

[@derf4886]

What I got from this is ToT is actually a good guy. I'm sure most of these people are good at heart, but wanted to have that powerful title... Greed, envy, and pride took over if only for a few hours or days. I belive that everyone deserves to be heard and understood, so thank you for this video and your dedication.

[@yellow8760]

@cheems’ things and stuff nah, not dream.

[@miguelruiz1137]

@cheems’ things and stuff dreams hella overrated

[@taskmagician4289]

Exactly. Well put, everyone deserves a chance at redemption

[@TraneFirst]

In the end, we are just humans

[@BlueCyann]

@cheems’ things and stuff Dream's trying to buy the whole damn speedrunning community, for the second time at that. I don't respect him at all and wish that if he really cared about speedrunning or speedrunners as much as he presumes he does, that he'd just put his stupid wallet away, adhere to the additional requirements the mod team put him under, and shut up and play.

[@yourhighschoolenglishteach8405]

i feel so bad for all these runners honestly, ESPECIALLY the ones that were 14-15. like you cheat at a videogame when you were in high school and people hate you for the rest of your life

[@just_golden1085]

not even high school

[@Mr-twelve]

Why? Dont cheat. Then all is fine.

[@eggshells2320]

@@Mr-twelve they are teenagers that's why

[@aaplies8879]

I love how the most rewinded part of the video is people checking to see if their audio is glitched or if the curse of sony struck again

[@outphase78]

I know this is an old video, just wanted to make you aware the audio drops out from 5:45 - 6:15

[@mjl167]

You made me cry. This makes me have hope in humanity. I knew Myles personally, I truly hope he is okay. We used to talk for hours. Besides that one transgression, he was the real deal, he even sent me strategies to get my first god time. He is a good person. Thank you for defending his mindset

[@AngelEmfrbl]

My guess is he just got pressured by himself ti perform, he likely was frustrated as he could do it... but couldn't get the timing down, maybe one cockup up each time would throw him off. So out he fustrationspliced performances together. Edit: This is my bet guess without stepping on his skills. His skills were likely good, but after hundreds of hours of tiny things throwing you off, anyone doing get to a point.

[@pokiepuff3010]

I hope you're both doing well!

[@Uja41742]

Okie Doki dude

[@Martykun36]

Myles is still a legend at SM64, MK64 and even fucking Mario Golf 64. He probably still wakes up in cold sweat in the middle of the night to this day regretting the one time he cheated and thinking about what his life could have been.

[@justaspectator9762]

@@Martykun36 :(

[@utatanepiko7087]

So glad I had closed captions on because I thought my speaker disconnected from my computer when the video was suddenly muted XD

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

For those who were confused about how Sony managed to mute a Earthbound song: the majority of the OST used samples of other music. Which is strange honestly because those should fall under fair use….

[@katincko]

bro, this man is just a madlad, his FIRST video got 5million views... and it deserved it, my man has insane editing skills

[@Trimint123]

I honestly liked how much of an honesty ToT decided to apologize. Like you said, not everyone is a bad guy deciding for cheating. He proved himself that he's just 14 years old when he makes his run and had lack of knowledge about the game, saying that he don't know that what he did is right or not. I appreciate his apology for being so transparent, but it's unlikely to see anyone like that nowadays. You know what they're said, "When there's any some sort of competition, there's always gonna be a cheater."

[@aidenschierlman494]

Thank you for what you’ve done I’ve learned more from this video about cheating than I possibly could’ve by myself or other sources.

[@miskbalder]

the technology is getting better all the time and soon enuf all games will be having cheaters exploited when it becomes literally impossible for them to get away with it.. CS:GO is one of the games where pretty much everyone, even those hosting the big competitions knows of it and lets it go on, sometimes they just "make an example" of a few to make it seem like they hit hard on cheaters I´m glad to see that more people all the time through the past 5 years have started to point this out publicly u are doing an important job, keep it up m8!

[@Edriely]

"ah, the antelope of death. It's because I cheated in super Mario 64. This will need to be addressed soon." And now, The Weather.

[@wesdogg_]

Wow! I had always thought emulator was just overlooked because it wasn’t “pure” like the console. I never knew there was an underlying, historical resentment towards EMU because it was home to some of the earliest known cheaters! Thank you for the educational experience, Charlie :) As a fanboy, I was here at 1.6k views!!! Remember me when you blow up!!! 😩😩

[@czr.]

I had the same impression of EMU v Console!

[@kylerivera3470]

I only really have one memory of cheating in a competition (albeit largely cause I don't participate in many competitions), but it still haunts me to this day. It was all the way back in elementary school when I was doing cross country (basically just running, not actually running across the country). There was only one time I actually managed to get a medal and it was the time that I cut a single corner. It was a really sharp corner that could have made a difference in the time, though I'm not too sure about the placing (it was a long time ago after all). To anyone reading this: never cheat when an award is on the line. Whether it be physical or digital it will likely haunt you in the future. You will have to live with that for a long time and, especially if it is a physical reward, will probably have difficulty ignoring that it ever happened. I'm not gonna try and tell you that cheating is wrong. I put very little faith in those types of arguments after all. However, if you are the competitive type (and likely are if you are considering cheating) you will eventually realize that your victory was illegitimate and will be forced to wonder how you would have done if you had done it legitimately. Even if you think that the opinion of others doesn't matter, your opinion certainly will and I hope that at least a few people will realize that even they won't approve of what they are doing a few years down the line.

[@give_me_my_nick_back]

I like that challenge to prove you can make a splice look legit, here is what I'd try: run the console of off DC power, battery or such but if that's considered illegitimate you can try square wave ac generation and then it should be much easier to sync up the hum

[@ZXMany]

Great video, extremely well put together! It was not only super interesting to learn about this part of Super Mario 64's history, but it's crazy to think that these records are being beaten by legitimate human players nowadays! The level of skill and the dedication that people have for this game is mind-blowing

[@Pasmkwss]

No comments here? Ok I'll take first comment here then.

[@MaddMan621]

The music beginning of the video reminded me of the ScrewAttack intro. My mind thought the angry video game nerd theme was about to play

[@joro8693]

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one, it felt so weird not hearing the nerds theme afterwards

[@handlessuck589]

Metroid Music

[@SapphireHeartTippy]

I was expecting,"He's gonna take you back to the past" for a split second

[@Meechplayz]

0:00 the music gives me vibes of a Super Mario 64 documentary thing I’ve watched… as I was writing this I realized this is the same thing😂

[@jiminyinmyjamys]

That intro music is so nostalgic, reminds me of the cinemassacre theme before AVGN episodes

[@Remdog510]

This doesn't look like my piano run video, unfortunate.

[@unit220]

Good video, and I think you have a good outlook on how to treat cheaters. One thing I do hope is that this channel doesn't become a place obsessed with cheating-based content. I think you have a knack for making good speedrunning related content and could go beyond just the topic of cheating. It's only been two vids so I don't want to sound overly presumptuous about your overall plans but I just know that there is a bit of fetishization with cheating content in the speedrunning YT sphere. Either way though, I am looking forward to more vids from you.

[@Bladieblah]

Why do you think his second video is another cheating video, because he knows controversy and drama does well and wants to capitalize on it. That drama sells, especially on youtube, is pretty common knowledge. And I'm curious what you mean by his good outlook on treating cheaters. Like Apollo Legend (and unlike someone like Karl Jobst or Goose for that matter) he seems to relish in bashing on the cheaters in the video and how "bad" and "wrong" it all is, he makes a spectacle out of it. Putting out a disclaimer to not harass when your videos are specifically aimed at ridiculing the cheaters involved seems incredibly disingenuous. I enjoy the videos because it's interesting to hear about how the cheaters cheated and how they eventually got caught. They're also well made, good script and solid presentation but I dislike his approach so it's funny to see someone like his videos especially because of his approach (to cheaters)

[@Crater1221]

@@EverythingLvl You sound obsessed with gender politics.

[@jarrydharris5378]

Every record has been personally verified by Billy Mitchell and Todd Todgers.

[@ScottTheWoz_]

5:44 the audio is muted here for me, I have seen this video before and this was not a problem. Anyone else has this problem?

[@VincentConstantineau]

yeah copyrighted music

[@Genasidal]

Everybody gangsta 'till the Antelope of Death comes strutting over the trees