LoanSharkJoe's fake run was to expose the ineptitude of the mods. They got pissed so they banned him.
@thekittenofwar44215 жыл бұрын
@ He mentioned the last part, but no where in the vid does he come out and say that the purpose of the speedrun was to show the ineptitude of the mods.
@emprox15 жыл бұрын
i, too, watched the video.
@DisDatK95 жыл бұрын
ÜberKiller and even if that’s the case, it should not be in this list. By definition, he was not “caught,” unless you consider himself as the one who caught him. I’d be cool with it if he said “As an extra, this person cheated and made it obvious to make a statement” as an extra, but he’s number two. Just not the right way to go about it.
@Fenris25 жыл бұрын
What do you expect their all living in a basement at grandmas
@dekuskrub21545 жыл бұрын
@@Fenris2 Very cool, Matthew!
@TempestTemple5 жыл бұрын
The second one annoys me. It looks like the moderators were salty for being called out
@donaldbaird78495 жыл бұрын
The second guy was doing it to make a point. Apollo missed that. And I think he proved his point pretty well tbh
@reven53675 жыл бұрын
Donald Baird Thats what I figured
@goblin18735 жыл бұрын
@@donaldbaird7849 He did not miss that he literally said it in the video
@TheSquareOnes5 жыл бұрын
That's the risk of having essentially random people (I mean, they're almost always active runners, but still can be anyone in terms of personality traits) moderate leaderboards, some percentage of the people you put into power either won't do their job at all or will abuse their power. Some moderator here decided to go the extra mile and check both boxes. Unfortunately there isn't really a good solution to it either, it's just a speedrun leaderboard and it's not realistic to have a stricter qualification process for side a vast community with so many minescule sub-communities.
@maestreiluminati875 жыл бұрын
@@goblin1873 he said "he came clean about it" implying that he thought the guy was legit just cheating to get into the leaderboard and then felt bad, when in reality his intention was to show his point from the start
@user-rl4tg2mr9n4 жыл бұрын
The second one is to prove a point. Clearly, he succeeded
@159tony4 жыл бұрын
I agree. He called out the mod(s) responsible for verification of being incompetent or lazy and they banned him for it. That instantly discredits the whole damn board in my eyes.
@FFKonoko4 жыл бұрын
The board was discredited when he published a video of him cheating and getting away with it, exposing that they sometimes missed cheated runs. If you know a board that has never missed a cheated run, I'd love to hear of it. But he deserved to be banned for it, otherwise on top of his message of "hey, submit cheated runs to these guys, here's how", NOT banning him would have sent a message of "Just remember to say you were kidding and it was a test, and all is good!". The only real point of contention is that it was a PERMAban, which is very harsh. But after reading all the comments here, I can only imagine how much bitching and shitflinging the mods likely got after that video, so...not condoning their choice, but it's understandable.
@pzrxex4 жыл бұрын
@@FFKonoko I agree with your points, buy if a board accepts a run that even has the tas icon displayed as legitimate, then thats a big oops
@coranbaker64014 жыл бұрын
@@FFKonoko Definitely see what you mean, but it seems that the fake speedrun was so comically fake that it's entirely the moderator's fault it got in at all, so the ban really ends up feeling petty.
@RealCoolstriker644 жыл бұрын
@FFKonoko Missed a quick video stitch, verified a video where he intentionally broadcasted his cheating in every way except out right saying it, same difference. He wasn’t pointing out that they “miss cheaters” he was pointing out that they *CAN’T catch* cheaters.
@mlo123455 жыл бұрын
Loan Shark Joe should not be in this video, as he was not "caught cheating". He uploaded the run as a way to test the moderators, and after showing how poorly moderated it was, he deleted it himself. Edit: Hoo boy, this was controversial. Many of you aren't getting my original point. I meant that he should not be listed in this video as he does not fit the title: if he was something like a honorary mention or something like that, that would be fine. But he wasn't *"caught"* cheating.
@ProfessorBeetus5 жыл бұрын
yeah i was about to say, wasnt the whole point of his video to demonstrate how easy it was to submit fake runs?
@RandomAutist5 жыл бұрын
you didnt watched the video, didnt you?
@mlo123455 жыл бұрын
@@RandomAutist Watched the entire thing. What are you trying to say here, buddy?
@ohno55075 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought, too.
@katfoode32225 жыл бұрын
came here to say this
@KnakuanaRka5 жыл бұрын
I don’t think Loan Shark Joe did anything wrong at all. He didn’t intend to take any fame or glory he didn’t deserve; he was trying to show that the mods were being sloppy in examining the submissions. If he wanted to claim a fake run, why would he make his run so obviously and deliberately poorly made, and then make a video explaining why the fake was so obvious and delete it before anyone complained?
@Zebo123456785 жыл бұрын
You wouldn't condone someone trying to steal from a store just to see if their employees catch them, would you? If you were gonna test something like that, you'd talk to the manager. Then when you go to "steal" something, it would be fine. That's what Loan Shark Joe should have done. He should have spoken to people first. Good intentions don't really absolve a crime. He could have avoided the ban entirely, _and_ avoided the moral grey-zone that he put himself in if he had just let someone in on it _beforehand._
@Masterbpk45 жыл бұрын
@@Zebo12345678 You make this claim, yet you watch someone who did the exact same thing, for honestly a worse reason. LSJ wanted to test the mods, but Apollo made a fake speedrun just to see if he could.
@Zebo123456785 жыл бұрын
@@Masterbpk4 This is the first time I've ever seen this channel, so I had no idea about that.
@ShamelessJames5 жыл бұрын
@@Zebo12345678 it's less like that and more like the operations the police put on to send 15 year olds into gas stations to see if they're asking for ID for tobacco.
@Zebo123456785 жыл бұрын
@@ShamelessJames The difference with that, shameless, is that the police are the ones with the responsibility of upholding the law. If LSJ just spoke to a moderator, he would have been out of the morally grey zone, and I doubt they would have said no to him. All he needed to do was communicate, but instead he took it upon himself to do a vigilante-style test, and he whined when they did their job and banned him. I'm not saying that banning him was the _right_ course of action, but I don't think it was wrong either. LSJ failed to communicate his plan. He never had permission to test them like that. He has no authority to conduct a test like that. It just isn't his job, and he suffered the consequences.
@kdawson020279 Жыл бұрын
Apollo Legend, still showing up occasionally in my feed. Rest in peace, but may your videos continue to live on.
@airsir95593 ай бұрын
He's dead?
@NachoChipuVT3 ай бұрын
@@airsir9559sadly yes by suicide
@antiteamer3 ай бұрын
@@airsir9559 Unfortunately, yes. Rip Apollo.
@hsfvhdsc4968Ай бұрын
@@antiteamerHow did he die?
@WhisperChill21 күн бұрын
@@hsfvhdsc4968 Cancer
@jellybelly86725 жыл бұрын
Lone Shark did it as a way to show how faulty the system is. He didn’t “come clean” because he was only exposing. He deleted the run because he wasn’t trying to cheat. He was helping out the mods in actually doing their job. Edit: Rest In Peace Apollo.
@Mantis_Toboggan_TrashMan5 жыл бұрын
He got banned because he made the mods look like fucking idiots. It's a good thing the community finds all these cheaters because clearly the mods don't. If anything mods are more likely to fake runs themselves.
@chambeet4 жыл бұрын
@@Mantis_Toboggan_TrashMan I hope people in that particular community shamed the mods after that incident. That's pathetic they banned him after he did something to try to improve them doing their job. Just embarrassing on the mods' part.
@rompevuevitos2224 жыл бұрын
@@Mantis_Toboggan_TrashMan Seems like it's universal, mods are gay
@Ze_eT4 жыл бұрын
Also, Apollo Legend did the same thing in the last 10 Cheaters video, but instead of doing it to test the mods, he did it just to see if he can cheat. So yeah, he should first adress what he did before hypocriting.
@fukkthisnewupdate88824 жыл бұрын
Ze_eTPlays I really don't see what the difference is here
@5000Seabass5 жыл бұрын
I’m perfectly down to have people submit fake speedruns to test the moderators
@Hiroyashy5 жыл бұрын
Especially when the mods permaban afterwards cause they were exposed for being lazy af.
@Israfel365 жыл бұрын
It should be a used to as a tool - to an extent - to test to see if people have the qualifications *to* mod before they become one.
@shis19885 жыл бұрын
Y'know the saddest thing? Nobody bothered to check a 20 minute vídeo. Could you trust them to check hour long ones?
@Cream147player5 жыл бұрын
The risk is that suddenly everyone is submitting fake runs to “test the moderators”. That’s the reality that could happen if you weren’t careful. I’d say maybe only you’re allowed to do it with prior permission from site-wide moderators, or something like that.
@theluckygamer105 жыл бұрын
I'd be more then cool with it! I'd like a test every now, then and again
@jjsponge12025 жыл бұрын
Me: “Looks like those moderators aren’t doing their job. I’ll wake them up with this fake speedrun.” *gets banned* Me: “Well, it worked.”
@Xvladin4 жыл бұрын
Not really cause he had to call himself out, the mods were the ones who left it up there!
@VancoldGH4 жыл бұрын
i bet we could still get cheated runs in ghost n goblins and they wouldnt care again
@lavaleader34554 жыл бұрын
“Me:”
@chocolateex19074 жыл бұрын
I don't think submitting fake speedruns would solve the problem of corrupt mods.
@VancoldGH4 жыл бұрын
@@chocolateex1907 neither would complaining about them. Getting good mods solves that issue
@m.s.e.advanced28425 жыл бұрын
Alternate title *10 speedrunners who speedran their careers*
@randomknight25855 жыл бұрын
M.S.Piranha Plant Advanced 👏👏
@recursiveslacker77305 жыл бұрын
Career any% NMG
@LayTooPlant5 жыл бұрын
any% is *DEAD*
@Zerktbh5 жыл бұрын
Pretty fucking cleaver lol
@jberrethful5 жыл бұрын
9*
@GFC_FM5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for including the Caveira thing. Funny thing, the claim is still on my account (I sent a counter-claim on July 5th). Can't even stream to KZbin because of it. Pretty bullshit. Also, for those interested, if someone changes their drops in Forbidden Memories, we can tell (even without any blaring signs like the card ID not matching or 000). It's quite technical, but suffice to say you can NOT change your drops without us knowing about it anymore (well, as of like early 2017, but yeah).
@openhalfnano74805 жыл бұрын
GFC_ Dude just wanna say that despite everything that’s going on, that WR FB run was probably the comfiest shit I’ve ever seen. I support you, and everyone else here knows what’s up too, stay positive man
@SPZ-gv2on5 жыл бұрын
I have researched how it was proved fake and feel really bad for you. Keep up the speedrunning and hope you get your streams back soon!
@AttacMage5 жыл бұрын
You still haven't gotten the strike removed? Honestly screw Caveira Games. I personally don't like watching Yu-Gi-Oh, but good luck with the strike.
@Rickfernello5 жыл бұрын
I saw the video made with collaboration with EZescape. Damn, that guy really sucks, and it wasn't the only speedrun he cheated on. I've never seen a streamer so trashy. That is peak Brazilian level, according to the amount of people like him that there are in here. Good luck, man.
@Progamer10135 жыл бұрын
Keep up the fight, man. That dude is a complete asshole, who breaks rules all over YT and Twitch constantly. He needs to be dealt with, and you and Apollo are just the guys to do it!
@loansharkjoe66874 жыл бұрын
I've noticed about 80% of the comments here are about me, i really hope this comment gets pinned, i just like to say THANK YOU EVERYONE for suporting me and all your comments about me have several thousands of likes it really makes me happy to read them.Just want to make clear, I WAS NEVER CAUGHT CHEATING so i'm not sure why i'm in this video, however i still thank Apollo so much for reminding everyone about the legacy i have left behind. I love you all! i honestly will reply to this comment and i will never get tired of hearing positive feedback! Loan Shark Joe loves you. EDIT - 31st December 2020, My very good friend Quivers has informed me about Apollo's passing, I am very shocked. I actually helped Apollo on some research so he could make a new video in which he reached out to me for help, I dedicated some time to get the information all correct and easy to understand, however, he is no longer with us. I hope the person who takes ownership of Apollo's channel will think it is okay for me still replying to your comments. Apollo has been one of my favourite KZbinrs since 2016, even before i made my own channel, i would watch his videos because he was one of the only individuals who i enjoyed watching speedrunning related content on. It is difficult to take in to immediatly wake up and realise that he is no longer with us.
@chrismanuel97684 жыл бұрын
We love you too!
@emeleooo44404 жыл бұрын
You totally deserve the support, thanks to your work we got to know how bad the security measures were and you deleted the speedrun even before you could be caught R.I.P Apollo
@loansharkjoe66874 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris Manuel and elcacas 2! i believe i did leave a really important moment of speedrunning history and i will be known as a really S tier character in the speedrunning commnunity. and yeah, moderators who sign up to stuff like that but don't do a job properly really shows that there could be all those moderators like that in many other leaderboards! Thanks for the support, just wanna say I WILL NEVER GET TIERED OF GETTING SUPPORT. and i will always reply to this if i keep getting replies!!
@OmegaRyan04 жыл бұрын
You are a hero, sir.
@harleypeterson24334 жыл бұрын
Thank you for risking your position to strengthen the community bud
@ridjenite5 жыл бұрын
I think they are most upset with Loan Shark Joe for exposing their inability to notice a speedrun. Or their laziness.
@rararasputin86085 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's some Undertale bullshit. Speedrun Doods: So you made a video of your confession which ended by removing your run? LSJ: Yep. SD: Hah, banned!
@diacosiapentacontahex5 жыл бұрын
@@rararasputin8608 What about that has to do with UT out of curiosity
@saladplainzone5 жыл бұрын
@@diacosiapentacontahex oh hey caylie nice to see you here
@saladplainzone5 жыл бұрын
wait speaking of seeing you where did you go
@diacosiapentacontahex5 жыл бұрын
@@saladplainzone no access to computer atm, using my sister's phone
@tehberral5 жыл бұрын
"Oh, you made it very apparent you made a fake run to point out how we should tighten up our moderation, and took down your fake run (done as a test) off of the leaderboard after your point was made. Should we use this advice to make our proof moderation better or even ask about ways to improve our standards that clearly are lacking? Nah just permaban him". Do these moderators work for Bethesda?
@shis19885 жыл бұрын
Hey, that shit, it just works!
@WizardCraft-ox4pe5 жыл бұрын
Too soon. Too soon..
@jigalooo23314 жыл бұрын
ROBLOX be like
@Charles.Wright3 жыл бұрын
TSA
@oliverquach96143 жыл бұрын
1. There are other ways for him to expose deficiencies in verification without submitting a fake run. 2. If Loan Shark Joe is allowed to evade a ban, every single cheater that gets caught in the future will use the same defense. (Oh I wasn’t cheating, I was making a point!) Rules are rules.
@wb82114 жыл бұрын
I actually support Loan Shark Joe, he revealed what he did before there was even any question as to his legitimacy. He wasn’t faking a speedrun for the leaderboard, he was faking a speedrun to expose a flawed system. If anything the mods should have listened to him and learned from what he did
@demonofchange5 жыл бұрын
I legitimately thought Cr1tikal was joking when he said he was a House of Caravan speed runner.
@NebulatheZorua5 жыл бұрын
I did, too, until I checked
@fressejetzt8404 жыл бұрын
@@NebulatheZorua why would someone like Charlie lie about something like that?
@DNXTMaster4 жыл бұрын
when has Charlie ever lied. the guy is barely sarcastic
@lisamako22404 жыл бұрын
Daughter Rachel: *Squee!*
@IncredibleMD4 жыл бұрын
A meme game with a highly optimized 12 second world record sounds exactly like the kind of game Cr1tikal would run.
@trevor53125 жыл бұрын
Loan Shark Joe was not caught cheating so he shouldn't be on here. He did the vid to call out moderators for not doing their jobs.
@Kelvin53785 жыл бұрын
Which they didn't and when he exposed them with his video they got triggered and acted like 12 year Olds banning him
@tkorde89885 жыл бұрын
I feel like he put it on the list to give more attention to the stupidity of what the mods did, not so much as a call out
@jackmageddon82915 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i agree he probably wasnt calling him out, just the way he phrashed it sounded weird so to me it sounded like he was calling him out. But i believe we all know that joes run was purely for comical purposes
@Doom88105 жыл бұрын
@@jackmageddon8291 ya, the tone felt weird because apollo did the same thing, and more speedrunners should do the same, test the mods
@FartInhalerSlamPoetry5 жыл бұрын
@@jackmageddon8291 "I'm not defending what he did" coming from the hypocrite that did it himself.
@DerrylHopkins4 жыл бұрын
Joe didn't "come clean." He was exemplifying the ineptitude of the run verification team, and the staff got pissed.
@ShadowFox1785 жыл бұрын
LoanSharkJoe was inspired by you and referenced you directly.
@brycedannenberg54205 жыл бұрын
ShadowFox178 300 likes. 0 replies
@q_e5 жыл бұрын
@@brycedannenberg5420 and you ruined it
@tomatoface125 жыл бұрын
@@brycedannenberg5420 I downvoted both of your replies because you said this.
@donnaken155 жыл бұрын
but he got away with it the first time lol
@limemyth5 жыл бұрын
NintendoMemes that was a joke but ok
@spencerkeeler19995 жыл бұрын
Loan Shark Joe's G&G run was to show how easy it is to fake runs and get away from them. I'm pretty sure that he intended to delete it from the start.
@itzuthesilkwing16945 жыл бұрын
Lol I was wondering why he was included. If he wanted "to get away with" an obviously faked speedrun, why explain the disqualifiers of the run to the verifiers?
@xttocx3 жыл бұрын
RIP Apollo Legend my dude, thanks for everything.
@xxlegolas3 жыл бұрын
So surreal to come back to one of his videos at this point in time. Do you guys ever wonder what will happen to your old Geocities page when you die? Your MySpace? I presume all of that shit will end up in cultural retrospective museums one day alongside all the racist comments and jokes and probably a huge compilation of people writing "FIRST" on youtube videos.
@hotsauce41693 жыл бұрын
Rest in piss
@ilyeser17083 жыл бұрын
@@hotsauce4169 I hope you don't seriously think you are funny, at least
@hotsauce41693 жыл бұрын
@@ilyeser1708 1. I almost got an aneurism reading that 2. Appolo is a sad pathetic excuse for a human being so may he rest in piss
@PoptartParasol3 жыл бұрын
@@hotsauce4169 how? He's just a youtuber who talked about speedrunning, what about that deserves you calling him all this.
@TheOfficialDaBoogaloo5 жыл бұрын
Charlie (Penguinz0) outed a runner *LOL* I've known this forever but it kills me every time that a speedrunner got outed by him of all people
@lolmcswagger72475 жыл бұрын
Hey what’s up it’s Cr1tikal & I’m about to end a mans whole career
@ethhics5 жыл бұрын
Critikal has become so shit, i enjoyed his content when he still made gaming videos, I unsubbed when he started uploading Overwatch exclusively, and now he just makes videos about pop culture and politics, always sitting in the same position talking in the same monotone voice, that, out of all things, made his gaming videos so funny for me
@lolmcswagger72475 жыл бұрын
ethics Yeah I really don’t get his new content anymore, it is the opposite of engaging
@senatorcthulu18154 жыл бұрын
@@ethhics yeah, it must have been yeara since i've actually watched a Cr1tikal video. It's such a shame, because i used to roll around laughing at his stuff.
@isolayted48064 жыл бұрын
Outed?
@chrisj4035 жыл бұрын
Loan shark shouldn't have been banned, one of the people who judges the ghosts and goblins speedruns is the world record holder. This shows that he doesn't give a rats ass as long as his precious record isn't broken He obviously didn't make the fake run to get a record, he did it as a test to see how they handle this stuff
@Octorber135 жыл бұрын
And now we know they handle it poorly.
@5hadax5 жыл бұрын
Error72 isn't the WR holder and hasn't been the record holder in over a year.
@Weeb_Goblin5 жыл бұрын
LSJ: *Does a fake speedrun* Run: *gets 'verified' and was 2nd* LSJ: "The mods are lousy" Mods: "rawr, you are STOO pid, we are BANNing YEW"
@IR2404743 жыл бұрын
RIP Apollo Legend. Billy Mitchel is going down.
@YetAnotherSpyMain3 жыл бұрын
What’s happening with Mitchel?
@IR2404743 жыл бұрын
@@YetAnotherSpyMain He is suing people left right and center, but he is failing it seems. It's not cool to use the courts as a weapon.
@zacerax60003 жыл бұрын
@@YetAnotherSpyMain he sued the kid that made this video and then he committed suicide, it's pretty accepted that the stress of the lawsuit aided in his suicide
@YetAnotherSpyMain3 жыл бұрын
Yikes mate
@daveshn2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, he is. Apollo Legend committed suicide.
@carlosnieve12255 жыл бұрын
Love that attitude. “Go ahead, do a false takedown! I’ll make money on top of money” Great videos, man. I don’t care much for speedrunning, but you make the subject very interesting.
@burnsa8685 жыл бұрын
“Go ahead and file a claim against me as well. I’ll file a counter-claim, win, and I’ll make another video all about it.” Legend.
@josejulioz5 жыл бұрын
That's an absolute power sentence dude, i mean shit, what do you even do at that point? Lol
@everiz13605 жыл бұрын
Would like but it’s at 69 so I’m not going to
@kiwicami2875 жыл бұрын
Fuck this caveira guy, i knew i heard the name before, from that video someone made on him to call him out, don't remember who it was.
@DarkShadic96325 жыл бұрын
He’s a f***ing madlad
@DarkShadic96325 жыл бұрын
CloudBurger 4 nice
@TheNitrop3 жыл бұрын
Good bye Apollo. You were one of the first speedrun youtubers that I've ever watched. You'll never see Billy Mitchell lose his cuase against Twin Galaxy, but we will for you. Thanks for everything.
@theloanranger26323 жыл бұрын
The last video Apollo released was my favorite
@defunctaccount98033 жыл бұрын
What happened?
@TheNitrop3 жыл бұрын
@@defunctaccount9803 He took his own life...
@lesthodson28022 жыл бұрын
Rest in piss, S to spit
@anonracer95 Жыл бұрын
@@TheNitrop Can you tell me the source of where this info came from please?
@humtv26295 жыл бұрын
bouta expose you for splicing your audio Apollo
@Silly_Panini5 жыл бұрын
LOL
@DerVasto5 жыл бұрын
Dat fake voice run
@GreenTheGrape5 жыл бұрын
I was boutta say the same
@shinyslurpuff74035 жыл бұрын
I have forsaken the 888 likes
@Zebo123456785 жыл бұрын
16:30 Sorry Apollo Legend, this video is invalidated, there's clearly a splice in your outro.
@CBCsolar5 жыл бұрын
Oooooo shit caught for abusing the KZbin edit system!
@kuylardev5 жыл бұрын
stolen comment
@Zebo123456785 жыл бұрын
@@kuylardev I posted it before reading the comments. I really wouldn't be surprised if someone else made the same joke.
@leonader94655 жыл бұрын
@@Zebo12345678 I almost made the same joke too
@jadonlong9255 жыл бұрын
@@leonader9465 Me too. It's just too hard not to notice!
@TheOofaloofa3 жыл бұрын
These videos now hit different with Apollo no longer being around anymore…
@Parkswaves5 жыл бұрын
>penguinzero Imagine not knowing the God king cr1tikal
@officialeggland74775 жыл бұрын
tragic
@ImKurono5 жыл бұрын
My man. I wish he would comment on this lol
@ZeroHero3d5 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if that was Charlie. How the hell did he manage a speedrun? The absolute madlad 😆
@providedyeti15185 жыл бұрын
CleverTwist u haven’t been watching him long have u lol
@untitled-giraffe21305 жыл бұрын
CleverTwist he’s got a few videos on his speed run.
@silversnow47775 жыл бұрын
16:31 Apollo splices his videos confirmed, we've been played like a damn fiddle.
@garygilbenson5 жыл бұрын
That *BASTARD!*
@rehmit5 жыл бұрын
I NOTICED THAT TOO
@sebastianbaquero72275 жыл бұрын
I was going to comment this exact same thing as soon as I noticed that 😂
@daninbox5 жыл бұрын
Could it have just been a glitch? Apollo is a respected member of this community and I'd hate for him to be buried without further review.
@WWEVoice1015 жыл бұрын
Who is this Silver Snow, could he have an agenda?
@Checco1054 жыл бұрын
Speedrunner: *fakes a run a gets caught cheating* Speedrunner's response: I cheated because I knew that I had the skills to get that World Record
@4glte1425 жыл бұрын
I personally don’t think that Loan Shark Joe should be on this list. He purposefully uploaded a fake run with a lot of mistakes in it to test the moderators of the game. He was banned because the mods were just that salty about being exposed for being sloppy.
@loansharkjoe66875 жыл бұрын
yes you're right, but i'm happy that he's in the video anyhow, being in an Apollo Legend video is just so cool!
@Liggliluff5 жыл бұрын
@@loansharkjoe6687 That is cool and all; just sucks that he talked such negatively about you. He called you a cheater and how you came out clean ... but that's not true. You made a test and deleted the record soon after it was approved. It's good to highlight your unjust ban, but it would also be good to not call you out as a cheater.
@imaloony85 жыл бұрын
Interestingly, the "I could have done it" or "I deserved this run" mentality doesn't just go to Speedrun cheaters. Stephen Glass is one of the most infamous journalists who ever lived. He wrote for a very influential magazine called The New Republic. Over the course of several years he partially or completely fabricated dozens of stories before finally being caught, fired, and discredited. Nowadays he's very open about the experience and expresses disgust with what he did (and he actually talks to many future journalists, using his story as one of caution to ward people away from the path he took). He says that how it started was that he had a story that wasn't quite clicking and he thought "Well, if I just had ONE more quote it would work perfectly..." so he put the quote in, and suddenly the story was great. And then he didn't take it out. And, of course, no one had ever given him that quote. So this mentality is actually quite common among cheaters and liars in general.
@tayloroatmeal73553 жыл бұрын
It's not exclusive to any field, look at Lance Armstrong or Jon Jones. Top-tier folks cheat to get the edge they need to be unforgettably world class.
@Koselill2 жыл бұрын
I think its about wanting to be special. Just one single quote. Just one splice. They just want someone's eyes on them. And when it works it makes them ecstatic. It's sad really. At least some of them regret it.
@SpacePirateFromSpace Жыл бұрын
It’s so surreal to see Apollo in my feed and know he isn’t alive anymore.
@littlemacisunderrated412 Жыл бұрын
Fr
@TheTSense5 жыл бұрын
Loan Shark Joe isn't a cheater. He set out to improve the site, nothing more.
@Greywander875 жыл бұрын
There might be more context that Apollo glossed over, but from the way he presented it, it sounds like Loan Shark Joe was demonstrating how lax the mods where when it came to authenticating speedruns. That fact that they didn't catch such an obviously fake speedrun, and then banned LSJ in retaliation says to me that that website is not to be trusted. They don't catch fake speedruns, and they ban people who point this out. The had the opportunity to learn from that experience and shape up, and they chose not to. But what do I know? I'm not really a speedrunner.
@icantcareanymore5 жыл бұрын
Technically he is a cheater, but for a good cause. Everything has good things and everything has bad things.
@Jack_Rakan5 жыл бұрын
@Shh something is shady about this Here's a bit of friendly advice: Visit a doctor or two. Because there's something seriously wrong with your brain if you think killing somebody is the same as making false speedrun for a 30 year old game that's actually more of a tutorial on how to detect obvious cheaters.
@BoleDaPole5 жыл бұрын
Cheating = cheating. He shouldn't be cheating in the first place.
@eins20014 жыл бұрын
@Shh something is shady about this LMAO Imagine being mentally damaged so much you think murder and cheating at a game are both illegal.
@rosewarrior7065 жыл бұрын
I think they banned the obvious guy cause he basically proved how easy it is to cheat and instead of fixing the problem they just wanted to shut him up
@korbencullen95225 жыл бұрын
Then he makes a video being a bitch and shit talking the mods for them banning him because the unpaid mods didnt check :/
@masked-feraligatr10945 жыл бұрын
Korben Cullen He wasn’t being. A bitch pointing out how fucking terrible the moderating is. It doesn’t matter if they are unpaid, it is still their job to check speedruns. If they are unpaid and do not wish to check speedruns, then they should stop being a fucking mod.
@KingOfDarknessAndEvil5 жыл бұрын
@@korbencullen9522 It is literally their job to check. If they don't want to check they should have just not applied for modship. Stoopid
@OneEyeShadow5 жыл бұрын
@@korbencullen9522 Don't be a mod if you don't want to mod.
@giovanniherrera60375 жыл бұрын
Stupid ass mod can’t even do his job (in which he does for free) so he shit talks in the comments
@robertmonroe79309 ай бұрын
RIP Apollo. Karl and Jace have done it. Billy has lost and is a proven cheater and liar. Rest easy friend.
@Shadowstar1311Ай бұрын
Word is, Karl is kicking Billy’s ass in court as we speak. Well, maybe not as we speak since he’s on the other side of the world as me and it’s 9am where I live, but in general people are saying he’s schooling Billy in court. Can’t wait for the video on the lawsuit. I can’t see him losing. Billy is a provable liar.
@guaceldono72315 жыл бұрын
That time Charlie somehow detected someone cheating in a 12-second speedrun
@CaioMav5 жыл бұрын
Was about to say just that lol.
@youssefakdim76955 жыл бұрын
Who was it again? i know that he spliced in between the screen darkens, so we don't notice it
@lorddeathfetus95285 жыл бұрын
"I was burnt out on GTA so I started cheating speed runs" So... don't play it?
@MagicalBunni4 жыл бұрын
He can play it and do cheats for fun, I mean is a game after all and is not online But he submitted it as a speedrun so his excuse dies there
@Slipknlov4 жыл бұрын
he said he didn't want to disappoint fans.
@DoctorProph3t4 жыл бұрын
It’s the superiority slope. He knows he /could/ do it, so what’s the point in actually doing it? It’s easier to post some splice, doesn’t matter, I would’ve made the run anyway. Most cheaters are high-level and highly skilled athletes, they don’t cheat because they thought they’d lose. They cheat because they /know/ they’d win anyway, so why put in the effort?
@coulditbecheese8208 Жыл бұрын
Feels weird coming back to these videos... Especially this one since it got me into his channel... Geez...
@zoobnash5 жыл бұрын
3:27 says the guy who submitted a spliced legends of zelda run to prove how easily it was to get verified
@Thabosefoloshia5 жыл бұрын
Noah Sundseth 😂😂 that's what I was thinking about
@joshbennett74395 жыл бұрын
He even put in the description of the run that it was fake, he wasn’t trying to achieve anything
@krakenthejaken5 жыл бұрын
He was showing how easy it is . He wants verifiers to do more research before the run.
@BowieProYT5 жыл бұрын
Josh Bennett he added that a couple months after he uploaded the run
@nakkertton5 жыл бұрын
@@BowieProYT I think the point a lot of people are making is that if I ran a scam on you and after you fell for it I'd reveal it and gave you your money back and explained how to the scam works just so you wouldn't fall for in the future. Should I be arrested for it?
@jansenart05 жыл бұрын
I guess Anti was just shifting his dragster right into 2nd gear before he hit the gas.
@JD-od6jh5 жыл бұрын
Oef 😂
@dycedargselderbrother53535 жыл бұрын
That's the human element you're talking about there.
@josephrenediaz75235 жыл бұрын
@@JD-od6jh fu Cindy
@JD-od6jh5 жыл бұрын
@@josephrenediaz7523 lol what?
@josephrenediaz75235 жыл бұрын
@@dycedargselderbrother5353 so what cindy is a fucken hater to the 3rd degree
@Gunbudder2 жыл бұрын
Its so weird to get an Apollo Legend video in my recommendations now that he's gone. He was a fixture in the speedrunning scene for quite a while. I kind of wish his goodbye video was still on this channel, but it is pretty upsetting so i can understand why it was removed. its essentially a suicide note. if you really want to see it, it has been reuploaded. RIP in pepperonis
@stridertechz5 жыл бұрын
Next video: “10 Cheaters Who Were Caught Speedrunning”
@williamfitzpatrick80735 жыл бұрын
LMFAO
@JakeDaSnake6104 жыл бұрын
Nice
@GhostRangerr4 жыл бұрын
Next video: " 10 Speedruns who exposed cheaters
@IceyX544 жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@sheehan32044 жыл бұрын
I know this a joke but how would you even do that?
@advost5 жыл бұрын
I paused the video, then read that whole slide like you said. Then unpaused and listened to you read that same slide...man im dumb.
@Lady8D4 жыл бұрын
I did the same lol...also felt the same when I realized it
@NPC-003612 жыл бұрын
RIP Apollo you were a cool dude. Such a shame what happened.
@MrGamingplan5 жыл бұрын
The second guy wasnt caught cheating, it seems more like he was trying to expose the website for slacking when checking speedruns and was more trying to prove a point.
@silentdrew76365 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what he did.
@mike644115 жыл бұрын
His video actually says basically I did this to show they don’t do their jobs. I made this video to show I did this. I’m literally exposing myself. You can’t really say he was caught cheating when he was doing it to sting all the admins and exposed himself.
@brichess82275 жыл бұрын
You misattributed penguinz0 for finding the house of caravan cheater, it was actually jmac who discovered the cheat and penguinz posted a video about it later. I found this information by watching penguinz0 video, in which he says this.
@TheBastardCommie5 жыл бұрын
Lmao this is exactly what cr1tikal hates - getting credit for shit other people did and deserve credit for.
@Plusse4 жыл бұрын
12:12 - He doesn't attribute the discovery to penguinz0, just says he made a video comparing the runs.
@thefowles14 жыл бұрын
"penguinz0" dont do my man cr1tikal like that
@Robofrog1004 жыл бұрын
Poor Charlie
@leaffinite20014 жыл бұрын
thefowles1 he should change his KZbin channels name if he doesn’t want people to call him that lol
@Dragonrealms2455 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the 10million views on the first video my dude. Hope this one hits those same numbers!
@BEEEELEEEE5 жыл бұрын
Shoutouts to EZScape for sending a ton of support GFC's way when he was getting dislike-bombed.
@pawel26692 жыл бұрын
This is the 1st time Apollo's video has played as the random autoplay video since he passed away.
@AgressivePigeon5 жыл бұрын
Speedrunner: Hey cool someone did a video on me! * sees its Apollo legend * Speedrunner: * *sweating bullets* *
@commmander645 жыл бұрын
Imagine a speedrunner being legit but then gets featured. "WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE YOUR WRATH!?"
@brendanmcfarlanee31155 жыл бұрын
i agree, if the punishment for coming clean is perma ban then why would anyone ever admit to cheating?
@Nerfsii5 жыл бұрын
brendan mcfarlanee If you are talking about the LoanSharkJoe one the the reason he got perma banned was because he basically tested the moderators by seeing if they could detect an obviously faked run, they did not and he exposed them for it so in turn he got banned. If some one had said something about it before he got the chance to then I am sure he would not have been perma banned
@brendanmcfarlanee31155 жыл бұрын
@@Nerfsii good point good point !
@rehmit5 жыл бұрын
Defiler Of Sylok he shouldn't have been permabanned. The moderators for that game should be criticized because they are not doing their job good. Apollo did the same thing with oot and didn't get banned. But hey, rules are rules.
@emprox15 жыл бұрын
this is like saying "well if the punishment for admitting to murdering someone is going to jail forever, why would anybody confess??" the solution is simple- don't cheat in the first place. you have already made your mistake, admitting it doesn't really fix it. even if you admit it you should still get banned, at least for a long while.
@shadowsnake51335 жыл бұрын
@@emprox1 that's a irrational extreme. Also, it's more akin to stealing right in front of a cop to see if they notice than murder, because nobody got harmed. And if the people clearly can't run something properly, like say the electric plant controlling your electricity, then they deserve to be called out on it, yes? That was the point, not, "I want a good time for internet fame," but to point out a flaw in the system that's way too obvious. So, maybe lay off the salty chips, less you get dehydrated from the amount of sweat coming from you.
@KSupes3 жыл бұрын
RIP Apollo legend, you will be missed
@theloanranger26323 жыл бұрын
Haven't seen too many videos praising the guy
@luke18353 жыл бұрын
@@theloanranger2632 So?
@YamiMajic2 жыл бұрын
@@theloanranger2632 Haven't seen your dad either.
@lesso32722 жыл бұрын
@@YamiMajic That epic comment roast was 9 months in development
@benjaminbrady23855 жыл бұрын
I remember youtube randomly recommending me loansharkjoe's video months ago and I felt so bad, I'm glad that there a little more attention there even if it was a very small segment of the video
@pbrunet445 жыл бұрын
Hol up, Critikal aka Penguinz0 has a second place speedrun?
@jonlumi5325 жыл бұрын
Where?
@pbrunet445 жыл бұрын
@@jonlumi532 12:12 apparently he exposed a fake speedrunner in the game he runs 12:19 shows his place on the leaderboard
@jonlumi5325 жыл бұрын
@@pbrunet44 yeah, i saw it, thank you
@johncenasdad4085 жыл бұрын
Yeah he made a video on it a while back
@Geegs5 жыл бұрын
He made many videos on it. He started running it two years ago, and had a hell of a rivalry. I insist you watch the videos, since they are pretty good.
@hsfvhdsc4968Ай бұрын
We were never angry at you Apollo, you're the greatest thing this community lost... rest easy
@redurn81705 жыл бұрын
You know what's worse than splicing? Using Gameshark in a speedrun.
@Totalynotaweeb4 жыл бұрын
*Cough cough* Cavieragames *cough cough*
@0m3GAARS3NAL5 жыл бұрын
>penguinz0 We call him cr1tikal, but thank you for bringing the TRAVESTY to light
@MrDaCynic5 жыл бұрын
I'm genuinely surprised he has a genuine speed run. I thought he only attempted those ironically.
@redacted19445 жыл бұрын
Miguel Diaz it probably was but Charlie being the absolute chad he is he got 2nd
@ShockingHydra5 жыл бұрын
@@MrDaCynic It's kind of both imo, he mainly speedran games that noone else did for shits & giggles (with a few exceptions) but he is actually serious in trying to speedrun them. Atleast that's what I think
@TRAVISHERE0025 жыл бұрын
Hi I'm Travesty
@0m3GAARS3NAL5 жыл бұрын
@@TRAVISHERE002 👌
@patrikdanheimer15043 жыл бұрын
Rest in Peace Apollo. We lost you way to soon..
@Spectrik Жыл бұрын
@Malhadado Epígono | Daybreak from what I've researched it seems to be suicide
@WhatisAPaladin Жыл бұрын
@@Spectrik after he scammed a whole bunch of people btw.. i think you forgot about that part... oh then he blamed his death on DarkViper (another youtuber) in his final message. I think we lost him at the right time.
@Spectrik Жыл бұрын
@@WhatisAPaladin I didn't know any of that I just learned he died like 20 minutes ago Edit: I am not up to date on this situation at all
@ZyFinProductions Жыл бұрын
@Malhadado Epígono | Daybreak His health was deteriorating and he opted to commit suicide. There was a bunch of drama that also surrounded this and he also put in the description of his suicide video (not him doing it, just him saying goodbye and explaining stuff) that two other people in the speedrun community gave him the push to go through with it, which is crass and fucked up. There's a lot more context, so I'd recommend you dig more into it. It's been two years.
@fullmetalbleachnote Жыл бұрын
@@WhatisAPaladin nah f*ck you for suggesting anybody "killed themselves at the right time"
@rowanburns48415 жыл бұрын
Loan shark wasn’t ‘caught’ cheating, he done it to show how lazy the moderators were and purposely added everything to shorten the run to prove the lack of competence in the mods ability to identify cheats.
@lewisbyrd84265 жыл бұрын
Dcvbkyrsscbgdsxcgf Did you? He never got caught, and he deleted the run HIMSELF after it got verified.
@godlyvex55435 жыл бұрын
@Dcvbkyrsscbgdsxcgf He is on the list of people caught cheating, therefore apollo is saying he was caught cheating. Simple logic. People are correcting him by saying he shouldn't be on the list because he wasn't ever caught.
@godlyvex55435 жыл бұрын
@Dcvbkyrsscbgdsxcgf Please, elaborate. Here, I'll even elaborate my point before you. First of all, in the description of the video in question, it stated, quite clearly, that the video was a TAS. If the admins admitted a video that proclaimed itself to be a TAS, that's the admins' fault. Second of all, nobody ever figured it out, therefor he was never caught. If somebody got away with a crime and turned themselves in, that doesn't mean they were caught. This video said neither of those things, so you can't use your flimsy excuse of 'that was all explained within the video'.
@godlyvex55435 жыл бұрын
@Dcvbkyrsscbgdsxcgf I don't see you refuting my point.
@godlyvex55435 жыл бұрын
@Dcvbkyrsscbgdsxcgf How childish of you. If you're going to insult people for having bad points, you need to have good points. You clearly don't understand how an argument works. Let's look at this simply: Apollo said that the person was caught cheating. They were not caught cheating. Therefor, apollo is wrong. Can you manage the insurmountable task of providing a counter-argument? If not, then anything you have to say is a waste of effort that would be better spent doing something with your life.
@pison10005 жыл бұрын
Wait, the fire bats are determined by the Armos fight at the beginning of the game? That ... that actually blows my mind. How did people even figure that out?
@shis19885 жыл бұрын
Datamining. Basically reducing a game to code, they find the pattern of the Armos boss is also coded to the fire bats. I'm sure it's waaaaaay more complicated than that, but I'm not a coding expert.
@kefka143 жыл бұрын
Love you Frogburt. You were in my chat when I got a Chameleon Twist world record back in 2014. I was reviewing some old records and when I started talking to you in chat it made me happy. RIP.
@Pc_98_Fan5 жыл бұрын
"you're playing TAS right now" "i know" from that word you arleady know that the speedrun is fake
@leo179214 жыл бұрын
“i know” wasnt by the runner but by someone else watching
@CosmicX5 жыл бұрын
At the start Apollo said be respectful but then we got caviera games
@s3p41r0t414 жыл бұрын
-Me: I don't watch speedrun videos -KZbin suggestions: You watch speedrun videos now -Me: I guess i watch speedrun videos now
@Kaiser_XIII5 жыл бұрын
11:47 "Go ahead and file a claim against me as well. I'll file a counter-claim, win, and I'll make another video all about it. So feel free." BIG OOF
@tripleparakeetshoes46132 жыл бұрын
It's so weird watching Apollo Legend videos still in 2021...
@heyheyitsjae24752 жыл бұрын
Shit, I just randomly got recommended this video and decided to check it out, loved the pacing and got interested in seeing more from this creator, only to scroll through the comments and find out they died. That's real fuckin rough. Rip Apollo, I missed out on one hell of a guy
@mitsukiisbae67533 ай бұрын
Not gonna lie, it hurts to hear him end his videos with "I love you all". I miss you, Apollo...
@slavkei5 жыл бұрын
"Some have chosen to put ridiculous amounts of time...." Ah, I see that you, too, enjoy some cr1tikal.
@thewiseoldfox3 жыл бұрын
Rest in peace my dude. Your videos will always be here and remembered well to me
@ProtocolDroidHK475 жыл бұрын
LoanSharkJoe: Yo dawg, I saw ya'll needed to improve the moderation, so here's a video about my fake speedrun that I went ahead and took down. Moderators: *REEEEEEEEEEEEE*
@josephrenediaz75235 жыл бұрын
Wtf ok Cindy
@Shadouga5 жыл бұрын
8:05 - I love the subreddit moderator's user flare on the "Anti" portion of the video: "If I post about you, that's not good".
@flyingfajitas Жыл бұрын
One last thank you to the late legend, Apollo Legend.
@billuminati38675 жыл бұрын
Damn apollo, going in strong to destroy cheaters careers for good 👌
@Mngalahad5 жыл бұрын
too bad hell never catch me ;)
@sirocco28105 жыл бұрын
He's not destroying anyone's carreer, the guys were already exposed 🤔🤔
@billuminati38675 жыл бұрын
@@sirocco2810 Well duh, this is all old news besides the recent Yu-gi-oh runner, however his channel gains stupid viewer attention in these vids so to the average person watching this not involved in the speed running community, they'll at least be informed not to support these people and probably get dislike trains going on any previous uploads or future streams.
@Blueflag045 жыл бұрын
He's doing a right thing
@elongatedcarrot37045 жыл бұрын
The Yu-Gi-Oh cheater fooled himself lmao
@darrelllaramie62503 жыл бұрын
Probably fooled everyone lmao
@mayorexcalibur12823 жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace Apollo truly a sad situation
@aestrobloome3 жыл бұрын
tf happened?
@stevenbush82625 жыл бұрын
my boy charlie (penguinz0) getting the recognition from the speedrun community he deserves.
@josephrenediaz75235 жыл бұрын
Ok cynthia
@cowboybarbaryn13025 жыл бұрын
LoanSharkJoe also did it to show how easily it is to get a run verified. Like, he had a purpose.
@rndompersn34263 жыл бұрын
RIP. Enjoyed your videos. Thought he just quit. Condolences to his family.
@IraEskins4 жыл бұрын
I love how you gave them all a super villain origin stories. "Something happened one day...". Fantastic work.
@DevilboyScooby3 жыл бұрын
"If you file a claim because your feelings are hurt, that is illegal..." Billy Mitchell, are you listening?
@sadesurbex28163 жыл бұрын
He did probably....
@voxeln00b5 жыл бұрын
LMAO Imagine having to cheat in a game with an 12 second speedrun
@matthewmabry11163 жыл бұрын
Imagine how empty life must be to go thru all this work to cheat on a videogame speed run
@delvechiocavalhieri21054 жыл бұрын
New Speedrun category: how fast you get banned in a speedrun site.
@megabyte30444 жыл бұрын
Perfect
@spicytapwater11453 жыл бұрын
Rest in peace man, true legend.
@Kryssy1283 жыл бұрын
If he wanted to off himself thats his choice, but blaming anyone but himself for it just proved that he was a coward in the end.
@Pants.693 жыл бұрын
@@Kryssy128 I mean I guess
@klutzspecter34703 жыл бұрын
@@Kryssy128 I mean in his un alive video he did blame himself for not getting the help he needed. He's gone anyway so what does that matter? Clearly, anyone who has un aliving issues is clearly 100% their fault.
@zack794133 жыл бұрын
Who died? Apollo legend?
@absolboi3343 жыл бұрын
@@zack79413 yes
@rylibes64553 жыл бұрын
I’ve been binge watching these you legend. Rest In Peace
@MrRaposaum3 жыл бұрын
Imagine cheating and then threatening people who caught you in the act.
@duckieduck3763 Жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace legend
@SnailMan635 жыл бұрын
Yoooo penguinz0 has second place for house of caravan? Sick.
@jinjunmei5 жыл бұрын
What a coincidence, I was just thinking when Apollo would release a new video.
@eggladsbiggesthater35455 жыл бұрын
Brandon Kennedy me too
@RedDed228 Жыл бұрын
Rest in peace Apollo, I'm sorry your personal demons won.
@evertonc14485 жыл бұрын
Wasn't aware Kr1tical/Penguizo was a speed runner, I saw his video but I thought he was joking when he said he was the record holder.
@lakie925 жыл бұрын
He ran house of caravan for giggles, but ended up going ham for the record. Classic Charlie.
@jonwhick30733 жыл бұрын
R.i.p Apollo
@a_MhetOtw.4334 Жыл бұрын
Rip Apollo.
@madokakaname4715 жыл бұрын
me at school : 1 page of work me discovering speedrun cheaters : 120 pages of work, 3 videos, 5 interviews