10 More Speedrunners Who Were Caught Cheating

[@NolePTR]

LoanSharkJoe's fake run was to expose the ineptitude of the mods. They got pissed so they banned him.

[@thekittenofwar4421]

@ He mentioned the last part, but no where in the vid does he come out and say that the purpose of the speedrun was to show the ineptitude of the mods.

[@emprox1]

i, too, watched the video.

[@DisDatK9]

ÜberKiller and even if that’s the case, it should not be in this list. By definition, he was not “caught,” unless you consider himself as the one who caught him. I’d be cool with it if he said “As an extra, this person cheated and made it obvious to make a statement” as an extra, but he’s number two. Just not the right way to go about it.

[@Fenris2]

What do you expect their all living in a basement at grandmas

[@dekuskrub2154]

@@Fenris2 Very cool, Matthew!

[@TempestTemple]

The second one annoys me. It looks like the moderators were salty for being called out

[@donaldbaird7849]

The second guy was doing it to make a point. Apollo missed that. And I think he proved his point pretty well tbh

[@reven5367]

Donald Baird Thats what I figured

[@goblin1873]

@@donaldbaird7849 He did not miss that he literally said it in the video

[@TheSquareOnes]

That's the risk of having essentially random people (I mean, they're almost always active runners, but still can be anyone in terms of personality traits) moderate leaderboards, some percentage of the people you put into power either won't do their job at all or will abuse their power. Some moderator here decided to go the extra mile and check both boxes. Unfortunately there isn't really a good solution to it either, it's just a speedrun leaderboard and it's not realistic to have a stricter qualification process for side a vast community with so many minescule sub-communities.

[@maestreiluminati87]

@@goblin1873 he said "he came clean about it" implying that he thought the guy was legit just cheating to get into the leaderboard and then felt bad, when in reality his intention was to show his point from the start

[@user-rl4tg2mr9n]

The second one is to prove a point. Clearly, he succeeded

[@159tony]

I agree. He called out the mod(s) responsible for verification of being incompetent or lazy and they banned him for it. That instantly discredits the whole damn board in my eyes.

[@FFKonoko]

The board was discredited when he published a video of him cheating and getting away with it, exposing that they sometimes missed cheated runs. If you know a board that has never missed a cheated run, I'd love to hear of it. But he deserved to be banned for it, otherwise on top of his message of "hey, submit cheated runs to these guys, here's how", NOT banning him would have sent a message of "Just remember to say you were kidding and it was a test, and all is good!". The only real point of contention is that it was a PERMAban, which is very harsh. But after reading all the comments here, I can only imagine how much bitching and shitflinging the mods likely got after that video, so...not condoning their choice, but it's understandable.

[@pzrxex]

@@FFKonoko I agree with your points, buy if a board accepts a run that even has the tas icon displayed as legitimate, then thats a big oops

[@coranbaker6401]

@@FFKonoko Definitely see what you mean, but it seems that the fake speedrun was so comically fake that it's entirely the moderator's fault it got in at all, so the ban really ends up feeling petty.

[@RealCoolstriker64]

@FFKonoko Missed a quick video stitch, verified a video where he intentionally broadcasted his cheating in every way except out right saying it, same difference. He wasn’t pointing out that they “miss cheaters” he was pointing out that they *CAN’T catch* cheaters.

[@m.s.e.advanced2842]

Alternate title *10 speedrunners who speedran their careers*

[@randomknight2585]

M.S.Piranha Plant Advanced 👏👏

[@recursiveslacker7730]

Career any% NMG

[@LayTooPlant]

any% is *DEAD*

[@Zerktbh]

Pretty fucking cleaver lol

[@jberrethful]

9*

[@ridjenite]

I think they are most upset with Loan Shark Joe for exposing their inability to notice a speedrun. Or their laziness.

[@rararasputin8608]

Yeah, that's some Undertale bullshit. Speedrun Doods: So you made a video of your confession which ended by removing your run? LSJ: Yep. SD: Hah, banned!

[@diacosiapentacontahex]

@@rararasputin8608 What about that has to do with UT out of curiosity

[@saladplainzone]

@@diacosiapentacontahex oh hey caylie nice to see you here

[@saladplainzone]

wait speaking of seeing you where did you go

[@diacosiapentacontahex]

@@saladplainzone no access to computer atm, using my sister's phone

[@kdawson020279]

Apollo Legend, still showing up occasionally in my feed. Rest in peace, but may your videos continue to live on.

[@airsir9559]

He's dead?

[@NachoChipuVT]

@@airsir9559sadly yes by suicide

[@antiteamer]

​@@airsir9559 Unfortunately, yes. Rip Apollo.

[@hsfvhdsc4968]

​@@antiteamerHow did he die?

[@WhisperChill]

@@hsfvhdsc4968 Cancer

[@5000Seabass]

I’m perfectly down to have people submit fake speedruns to test the moderators

[@Hiroyashy]

Especially when the mods permaban afterwards cause they were exposed for being lazy af.

[@Israfel36]

It should be a used to as a tool - to an extent - to test to see if people have the qualifications *to* mod before they become one.

[@shis1988]

Y'know the saddest thing? Nobody bothered to check a 20 minute vídeo. Could you trust them to check hour long ones?

[@Cream147player]

The risk is that suddenly everyone is submitting fake runs to “test the moderators”. That’s the reality that could happen if you weren’t careful. I’d say maybe only you’re allowed to do it with prior permission from site-wide moderators, or something like that.

[@theluckygamer10]

I'd be more then cool with it! I'd like a test every now, then and again

[@KnakuanaRka]

I don’t think Loan Shark Joe did anything wrong at all. He didn’t intend to take any fame or glory he didn’t deserve; he was trying to show that the mods were being sloppy in examining the submissions. If he wanted to claim a fake run, why would he make his run so obviously and deliberately poorly made, and then make a video explaining why the fake was so obvious and delete it before anyone complained?

[@Zebo12345678]

You wouldn't condone someone trying to steal from a store just to see if their employees catch them, would you? If you were gonna test something like that, you'd talk to the manager. Then when you go to "steal" something, it would be fine. That's what Loan Shark Joe should have done. He should have spoken to people first. Good intentions don't really absolve a crime. He could have avoided the ban entirely, _and_ avoided the moral grey-zone that he put himself in if he had just let someone in on it _beforehand._

[@Masterbpk4]

@@Zebo12345678 You make this claim, yet you watch someone who did the exact same thing, for honestly a worse reason. LSJ wanted to test the mods, but Apollo made a fake speedrun just to see if he could.

[@Zebo12345678]

@@Masterbpk4 This is the first time I've ever seen this channel, so I had no idea about that.

[@ShamelessJames]

@@Zebo12345678 it's less like that and more like the operations the police put on to send 15 year olds into gas stations to see if they're asking for ID for tobacco.

[@Zebo12345678]

@@ShamelessJames The difference with that, shameless, is that the police are the ones with the responsibility of upholding the law. If LSJ just spoke to a moderator, he would have been out of the morally grey zone, and I doubt they would have said no to him. All he needed to do was communicate, but instead he took it upon himself to do a vigilante-style test, and he whined when they did their job and banned him. I'm not saying that banning him was the _right_ course of action, but I don't think it was wrong either. LSJ failed to communicate his plan. He never had permission to test them like that. He has no authority to conduct a test like that. It just isn't his job, and he suffered the consequences.

[@jjsponge1202]

Me: “Looks like those moderators aren’t doing their job. I’ll wake them up with this fake speedrun.” *gets banned* Me: “Well, it worked.”

[@Xvladin]

Not really cause he had to call himself out, the mods were the ones who left it up there!

[@VancoldGH]

i bet we could still get cheated runs in ghost n goblins and they wouldnt care again

[@lavaleader3455]

“Me:”

[@chocolateex1907]

I don't think submitting fake speedruns would solve the problem of corrupt mods.

[@VancoldGH]

@@chocolateex1907 neither would complaining about them. Getting good mods solves that issue

[@jellybelly8672]

Lone Shark did it as a way to show how faulty the system is. He didn’t “come clean” because he was only exposing. He deleted the run because he wasn’t trying to cheat. He was helping out the mods in actually doing their job. Edit: Rest In Peace Apollo.

[@Mantis_Toboggan_TrashMan]

He got banned because he made the mods look like fucking idiots. It's a good thing the community finds all these cheaters because clearly the mods don't. If anything mods are more likely to fake runs themselves.

[@chambeet]

@@Mantis_Toboggan_TrashMan I hope people in that particular community shamed the mods after that incident. That's pathetic they banned him after he did something to try to improve them doing their job. Just embarrassing on the mods' part.

[@rompevuevitos222]

@@Mantis_Toboggan_TrashMan Seems like it's universal, mods are gay

[@Ze_eT]

Also, Apollo Legend did the same thing in the last 10 Cheaters video, but instead of doing it to test the mods, he did it just to see if he can cheat. So yeah, he should first adress what he did before hypocriting.

[@fukkthisnewupdate8882]

Ze_eTPlays I really don't see what the difference is here

[@demonofchange]

I legitimately thought Cr1tikal was joking when he said he was a House of Caravan speed runner.

[@NebulatheZorua]

I did, too, until I checked

[@fressejetzt840]

@@NebulatheZorua why would someone like Charlie lie about something like that?

[@DNXTMaster]

when has Charlie ever lied. the guy is barely sarcastic

[@lisamako2240]

Daughter Rachel: *Squee!*

[@IncredibleMD]

A meme game with a highly optimized 12 second world record sounds exactly like the kind of game Cr1tikal would run.

[@wb8211]

I actually support Loan Shark Joe, he revealed what he did before there was even any question as to his legitimacy. He wasn’t faking a speedrun for the leaderboard, he was faking a speedrun to expose a flawed system. If anything the mods should have listened to him and learned from what he did

[@tehberral]

"Oh, you made it very apparent you made a fake run to point out how we should tighten up our moderation, and took down your fake run (done as a test) off of the leaderboard after your point was made. Should we use this advice to make our proof moderation better or even ask about ways to improve our standards that clearly are lacking? Nah just permaban him". Do these moderators work for Bethesda?

[@shis1988]

Hey, that shit, it just works!

[@WizardCraft-ox4pe]

Too soon. Too soon..

[@jigalooo2331]

ROBLOX be like

[@Charles.Wright]

TSA

[@oliverquach9614]

1. There are other ways for him to expose deficiencies in verification without submitting a fake run. 2. If Loan Shark Joe is allowed to evade a ban, every single cheater that gets caught in the future will use the same defense. (Oh I wasn’t cheating, I was making a point!) Rules are rules.

[@mlo12345]

Loan Shark Joe should not be in this video, as he was not "caught cheating". He uploaded the run as a way to test the moderators, and after showing how poorly moderated it was, he deleted it himself. Edit: Hoo boy, this was controversial. Many of you aren't getting my original point. I meant that he should not be listed in this video as he does not fit the title: if he was something like a honorary mention or something like that, that would be fine. But he wasn't *"caught"* cheating.

[@ProfessorBeetus]

yeah i was about to say, wasnt the whole point of his video to demonstrate how easy it was to submit fake runs?

[@RandomAutist]

you didnt watched the video, didnt you?

[@mlo12345]

@@RandomAutist Watched the entire thing. What are you trying to say here, buddy?

[@ohno5507]

That's what I thought, too.

[@katfoode3222]

came here to say this

[@DerrylHopkins]

Joe didn't "come clean." He was exemplifying the ineptitude of the run verification team, and the staff got pissed.

[@GFC_FM]

Thank you for including the Caveira thing. Funny thing, the claim is still on my account (I sent a counter-claim on July 5th). Can't even stream to KZbin because of it. Pretty bullshit. Also, for those interested, if someone changes their drops in Forbidden Memories, we can tell (even without any blaring signs like the card ID not matching or 000). It's quite technical, but suffice to say you can NOT change your drops without us knowing about it anymore (well, as of like early 2017, but yeah).

[@openhalfnano7480]

GFC_ Dude just wanna say that despite everything that’s going on, that WR FB run was probably the comfiest shit I’ve ever seen. I support you, and everyone else here knows what’s up too, stay positive man

[@SPZ-gv2on]

I have researched how it was proved fake and feel really bad for you. Keep up the speedrunning and hope you get your streams back soon!

[@AttacMage]

You still haven't gotten the strike removed? Honestly screw Caveira Games. I personally don't like watching Yu-Gi-Oh, but good luck with the strike.

[@Rickfernello]

I saw the video made with collaboration with EZescape. Damn, that guy really sucks, and it wasn't the only speedrun he cheated on. I've never seen a streamer so trashy. That is peak Brazilian level, according to the amount of people like him that there are in here. Good luck, man.

[@Progamer1013]

Keep up the fight, man. That dude is a complete asshole, who breaks rules all over YT and Twitch constantly. He needs to be dealt with, and you and Apollo are just the guys to do it!

[@spencerkeeler1999]

Loan Shark Joe's G&G run was to show how easy it is to fake runs and get away from them. I'm pretty sure that he intended to delete it from the start.

[@itzuthesilkwing1694]

Lol I was wondering why he was included. If he wanted "to get away with" an obviously faked speedrun, why explain the disqualifiers of the run to the verifiers?

[@loansharkjoe6687]

I've noticed about 80% of the comments here are about me, i really hope this comment gets pinned, i just like to say THANK YOU EVERYONE for suporting me and all your comments about me have several thousands of likes it really makes me happy to read them.Just want to make clear, I WAS NEVER CAUGHT CHEATING so i'm not sure why i'm in this video, however i still thank Apollo so much for reminding everyone about the legacy i have left behind. I love you all! i honestly will reply to this comment and i will never get tired of hearing positive feedback! Loan Shark Joe loves you. EDIT - 31st December 2020, My very good friend Quivers has informed me about Apollo's passing, I am very shocked. I actually helped Apollo on some research so he could make a new video in which he reached out to me for help, I dedicated some time to get the information all correct and easy to understand, however, he is no longer with us. I hope the person who takes ownership of Apollo's channel will think it is okay for me still replying to your comments. Apollo has been one of my favourite KZbinrs since 2016, even before i made my own channel, i would watch his videos because he was one of the only individuals who i enjoyed watching speedrunning related content on. It is difficult to take in to immediatly wake up and realise that he is no longer with us.

[@chrismanuel9768]

We love you too!

[@emeleooo4440]

You totally deserve the support, thanks to your work we got to know how bad the security measures were and you deleted the speedrun even before you could be caught R.I.P Apollo

[@loansharkjoe6687]

Thanks Chris Manuel and elcacas 2! i believe i did leave a really important moment of speedrunning history and i will be known as a really S tier character in the speedrunning commnunity. and yeah, moderators who sign up to stuff like that but don't do a job properly really shows that there could be all those moderators like that in many other leaderboards! Thanks for the support, just wanna say I WILL NEVER GET TIERED OF GETTING SUPPORT. and i will always reply to this if i keep getting replies!!

[@OmegaRyan0]

You are a hero, sir.

[@harleypeterson2433]

Thank you for risking your position to strengthen the community bud

[@trevor5312]

Loan Shark Joe was not caught cheating so he shouldn't be on here. He did the vid to call out moderators for not doing their jobs.

[@Kelvin5378]

Which they didn't and when he exposed them with his video they got triggered and acted like 12 year Olds banning him

[@tkorde8988]

I feel like he put it on the list to give more attention to the stupidity of what the mods did, not so much as a call out

[@jackmageddon8291]

Yeah, i agree he probably wasnt calling him out, just the way he phrashed it sounded weird so to me it sounded like he was calling him out. But i believe we all know that joes run was purely for comical purposes

[@Doom8810]

@@jackmageddon8291 ya, the tone felt weird because apollo did the same thing, and more speedrunners should do the same, test the mods

[@FartInhalerSlamPoetry]

@@jackmageddon8291 "I'm not defending what he did" coming from the hypocrite that did it himself.

[@ShadowFox178]

LoanSharkJoe was inspired by you and referenced you directly.

[@brycedannenberg5420]

ShadowFox178 300 likes. 0 replies

[@q_e]

@@brycedannenberg5420 and you ruined it

[@tomatoface12]

@@brycedannenberg5420 I downvoted both of your replies because you said this.

[@donnaken15]

but he got away with it the first time lol

[@limemyth]

NintendoMemes that was a joke but ok

[@IR240474]

RIP Apollo Legend. Billy Mitchel is going down.

[@YetAnotherSpyMain]

What’s happening with Mitchel?

[@IR240474]

@@YetAnotherSpyMain He is suing people left right and center, but he is failing it seems. It's not cool to use the courts as a weapon.

[@zacerax6000]

@@YetAnotherSpyMain he sued the kid that made this video and then he committed suicide, it's pretty accepted that the stress of the lawsuit aided in his suicide

[@YetAnotherSpyMain]

Yikes mate

[@daveshn]

Unfortunately, he is. Apollo Legend committed suicide.

[@humtv2629]

bouta expose you for splicing your audio Apollo

[@Silly_Panini]

LOL

[@DerVasto]

Dat fake voice run

[@GreenTheGrape]

I was boutta say the same

[@shinyslurpuff7403]

I have forsaken the 888 likes

[@burnsa868]

“Go ahead and file a claim against me as well. I’ll file a counter-claim, win, and I’ll make another video all about it.” Legend.

[@josejulioz]

That's an absolute power sentence dude, i mean shit, what do you even do at that point? Lol

[@everiz1360]

Would like but it’s at 69 so I’m not going to

[@kiwicami287]

Fuck this caveira guy, i knew i heard the name before, from that video someone made on him to call him out, don't remember who it was.

[@DarkShadic9632]

He’s a f***ing madlad

[@DarkShadic9632]

CloudBurger 4 nice

[@xttocx]

RIP Apollo Legend my dude, thanks for everything.

[@xxlegolas]

So surreal to come back to one of his videos at this point in time. Do you guys ever wonder what will happen to your old Geocities page when you die? Your MySpace? I presume all of that shit will end up in cultural retrospective museums one day alongside all the racist comments and jokes and probably a huge compilation of people writing "FIRST" on youtube videos.

[@hotsauce4169]

Rest in piss

[@ilyeser1708]

@@hotsauce4169 I hope you don't seriously think you are funny, at least

[@hotsauce4169]

@@ilyeser1708 1. I almost got an aneurism reading that 2. Appolo is a sad pathetic excuse for a human being so may he rest in piss

[@PoptartParasol]

@@hotsauce4169 how? He's just a youtuber who talked about speedrunning, what about that deserves you calling him all this.

[@TheOfficialDaBoogaloo]

Charlie (Penguinz0) outed a runner *LOL* I've known this forever but it kills me every time that a speedrunner got outed by him of all people

[@lolmcswagger7247]

Hey what’s up it’s Cr1tikal & I’m about to end a mans whole career

[@ethhics]

Critikal has become so shit, i enjoyed his content when he still made gaming videos, I unsubbed when he started uploading Overwatch exclusively, and now he just makes videos about pop culture and politics, always sitting in the same position talking in the same monotone voice, that, out of all things, made his gaming videos so funny for me

[@lolmcswagger7247]

ethics Yeah I really don’t get his new content anymore, it is the opposite of engaging

[@senatorcthulu1815]

@@ethhics yeah, it must have been yeara since i've actually watched a Cr1tikal video. It's such a shame, because i used to roll around laughing at his stuff.

[@isolayted4806]

Outed?

[@chrisj403]

Loan shark shouldn't have been banned, one of the people who judges the ghosts and goblins speedruns is the world record holder. This shows that he doesn't give a rats ass as long as his precious record isn't broken He obviously didn't make the fake run to get a record, he did it as a test to see how they handle this stuff

[@Octorber13]

And now we know they handle it poorly.

[@5hadax]

Error72 isn't the WR holder and hasn't been the record holder in over a year.

[@Weeb_Goblin]

LSJ: *Does a fake speedrun* Run: *gets 'verified' and was 2nd* LSJ: "The mods are lousy" Mods: "rawr, you are STOO pid, we are BANNing YEW"

[@TheNitrop]

Good bye Apollo. You were one of the first speedrun youtubers that I've ever watched. You'll never see Billy Mitchell lose his cuase against Twin Galaxy, but we will for you. Thanks for everything.

[@theloanranger2632]

The last video Apollo released was my favorite

[@defunctaccount9803]

What happened?

[@TheNitrop]

@@defunctaccount9803 He took his own life...

[@lesthodson2802]

Rest in piss, S to spit

[@anonracer95]

@@TheNitrop Can you tell me the source of where this info came from please?

[@imaloony8]

Interestingly, the "I could have done it" or "I deserved this run" mentality doesn't just go to Speedrun cheaters. Stephen Glass is one of the most infamous journalists who ever lived. He wrote for a very influential magazine called The New Republic. Over the course of several years he partially or completely fabricated dozens of stories before finally being caught, fired, and discredited. Nowadays he's very open about the experience and expresses disgust with what he did (and he actually talks to many future journalists, using his story as one of caution to ward people away from the path he took). He says that how it started was that he had a story that wasn't quite clicking and he thought "Well, if I just had ONE more quote it would work perfectly..." so he put the quote in, and suddenly the story was great. And then he didn't take it out. And, of course, no one had ever given him that quote. So this mentality is actually quite common among cheaters and liars in general.

[@tayloroatmeal7355]

It's not exclusive to any field, look at Lance Armstrong or Jon Jones. Top-tier folks cheat to get the edge they need to be unforgettably world class.

[@Koselill]

I think its about wanting to be special. Just one single quote. Just one splice. They just want someone's eyes on them. And when it works it makes them ecstatic. It's sad really. At least some of them regret it.

[@Zebo12345678]

16:30 Sorry Apollo Legend, this video is invalidated, there's clearly a splice in your outro.

[@CBCsolar]

Oooooo shit caught for abusing the KZbin edit system!

[@kuylardev]

stolen comment

[@Zebo12345678]

@@kuylardev I posted it before reading the comments. I really wouldn't be surprised if someone else made the same joke.

[@leonader9465]

@@Zebo12345678 I almost made the same joke too

[@jadonlong925]

@@leonader9465 Me too. It's just too hard not to notice!

[@TheOofaloofa]

These videos now hit different with Apollo no longer being around anymore…

[@carlosnieve1225]

Love that attitude. “Go ahead, do a false takedown! I’ll make money on top of money” Great videos, man. I don’t care much for speedrunning, but you make the subject very interesting.

[@Parkswaves]

>penguinzero Imagine not knowing the God king cr1tikal

[@officialeggland7477]

tragic

[@ImKurono]

My man. I wish he would comment on this lol

[@ZeroHero3d]

I was wondering if that was Charlie. How the hell did he manage a speedrun? The absolute madlad 😆

[@providedyeti1518]

CleverTwist u haven’t been watching him long have u lol

[@untitled-giraffe2130]

CleverTwist he’s got a few videos on his speed run.

[@Checco105]

Speedrunner: *fakes a run a gets caught cheating* Speedrunner's response: I cheated because I knew that I had the skills to get that World Record

[@stridertechz]

Next video: “10 Cheaters Who Were Caught Speedrunning”

[@williamfitzpatrick8073]

LMFAO

[@JakeDaSnake610]

Nice

[@GhostRangerr]

Next video: " 10 Speedruns who exposed cheaters

[@IceyX54]

Lmfao

[@sheehan3204]

I know this a joke but how would you even do that?

[@jansenart0]

I guess Anti was just shifting his dragster right into 2nd gear before he hit the gas.

[@JD-od6jh]

Oef 😂

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

That's the human element you're talking about there.

[@josephrenediaz7523]

@@JD-od6jh fu Cindy

[@JD-od6jh]

@@josephrenediaz7523 lol what?

[@josephrenediaz7523]

@@dycedargselderbrother5353 so what cindy is a fucken hater to the 3rd degree

[@hsfvhdsc4968]

We were never angry at you Apollo, you're the greatest thing this community lost... rest easy

[@TheTSense]

Loan Shark Joe isn't a cheater. He set out to improve the site, nothing more.

[@Greywander87]

There might be more context that Apollo glossed over, but from the way he presented it, it sounds like Loan Shark Joe was demonstrating how lax the mods where when it came to authenticating speedruns. That fact that they didn't catch such an obviously fake speedrun, and then banned LSJ in retaliation says to me that that website is not to be trusted. They don't catch fake speedruns, and they ban people who point this out. The had the opportunity to learn from that experience and shape up, and they chose not to. But what do I know? I'm not really a speedrunner.

[@icantcareanymore]

Technically he is a cheater, but for a good cause. Everything has good things and everything has bad things.

[@Jack_Rakan]

@Shh something is shady about this Here's a bit of friendly advice: Visit a doctor or two. Because there's something seriously wrong with your brain if you think killing somebody is the same as making false speedrun for a 30 year old game that's actually more of a tutorial on how to detect obvious cheaters.

[@BoleDaPole]

Cheating = cheating. He shouldn't be cheating in the first place.

[@eins2001]

@Shh something is shady about this LMAO Imagine being mentally damaged so much you think murder and cheating at a game are both illegal.

[@silversnow4777]

16:31 Apollo splices his videos confirmed, we've been played like a damn fiddle.

[@garygilbenson]

That *BASTARD!*

[@rehmit]

I NOTICED THAT TOO

[@sebastianbaquero7227]

I was going to comment this exact same thing as soon as I noticed that 😂

[@daninbox]

Could it have just been a glitch? Apollo is a respected member of this community and I'd hate for him to be buried without further review.

[@WWEVoice101]

Who is this Silver Snow, could he have an agenda?

[@robertmonroe7930]

RIP Apollo. Karl and Jace have done it. Billy has lost and is a proven cheater and liar. Rest easy friend.

[@Shadowstar1311]

Word is, Karl is kicking Billy’s ass in court as we speak. Well, maybe not as we speak since he’s on the other side of the world as me and it’s 9am where I live, but in general people are saying he’s schooling Billy in court. Can’t wait for the video on the lawsuit. I can’t see him losing. Billy is a provable liar.

[@lorddeathfetus9528]

"I was burnt out on GTA so I started cheating speed runs" So... don't play it?

[@MagicalBunni]

He can play it and do cheats for fun, I mean is a game after all and is not online But he submitted it as a speedrun so his excuse dies there

[@Slipknlov]

he said he didn't want to disappoint fans.

[@DoctorProph3t]

It’s the superiority slope. He knows he /could/ do it, so what’s the point in actually doing it? It’s easier to post some splice, doesn’t matter, I would’ve made the run anyway. Most cheaters are high-level and highly skilled athletes, they don’t cheat because they thought they’d lose. They cheat because they /know/ they’d win anyway, so why put in the effort?

[@guaceldono7231]

That time Charlie somehow detected someone cheating in a 12-second speedrun

[@CaioMav]

Was about to say just that lol.

[@youssefakdim7695]

Who was it again? i know that he spliced in between the screen darkens, so we don't notice it

[@thefowles1]

"penguinz0" dont do my man cr1tikal like that

[@Robofrog100]

Poor Charlie

[@leaffinite2001]

thefowles1 he should change his KZbin channels name if he doesn’t want people to call him that lol

[@rosewarrior706]

I think they banned the obvious guy cause he basically proved how easy it is to cheat and instead of fixing the problem they just wanted to shut him up

[@korbencullen9522]

Then he makes a video being a bitch and shit talking the mods for them banning him because the unpaid mods didnt check :/

[@masked-feraligatr1094]

Korben Cullen He wasn’t being. A bitch pointing out how fucking terrible the moderating is. It doesn’t matter if they are unpaid, it is still their job to check speedruns. If they are unpaid and do not wish to check speedruns, then they should stop being a fucking mod.

[@KingOfDarknessAndEvil]

@@korbencullen9522 It is literally their job to check. If they don't want to check they should have just not applied for modship. Stoopid

[@OneEyeShadow]

@@korbencullen9522 Don't be a mod if you don't want to mod.

[@giovanniherrera6037]

Stupid ass mod can’t even do his job (in which he does for free) so he shit talks in the comments

[@4glte142]

I personally don’t think that Loan Shark Joe should be on this list. He purposefully uploaded a fake run with a lot of mistakes in it to test the moderators of the game. He was banned because the mods were just that salty about being exposed for being sloppy.

[@loansharkjoe6687]

yes you're right, but i'm happy that he's in the video anyhow, being in an Apollo Legend video is just so cool!

[@Liggliluff]

@@loansharkjoe6687 That is cool and all; just sucks that he talked such negatively about you. He called you a cheater and how you came out clean ... but that's not true. You made a test and deleted the record soon after it was approved. It's good to highlight your unjust ban, but it would also be good to not call you out as a cheater.

[@SpacePirateFromSpace]

It’s so surreal to see Apollo in my feed and know he isn’t alive anymore.

[@littlemacisunderrated412]

Fr

[@zoobnash]

3:27 says the guy who submitted a spliced legends of zelda run to prove how easily it was to get verified

[@Thabosefoloshia]

Noah Sundseth 😂😂 that's what I was thinking about

[@joshbennett7439]

He even put in the description of the run that it was fake, he wasn’t trying to achieve anything

[@krakenthejaken]

He was showing how easy it is . He wants verifiers to do more research before the run.

[@BowieProYT]

Josh Bennett he added that a couple months after he uploaded the run

[@nakkertton]

@@BowieProYT I think the point a lot of people are making is that if I ran a scam on you and after you fell for it I'd reveal it and gave you your money back and explained how to the scam works just so you wouldn't fall for in the future. Should I be arrested for it?

[@advost]

I paused the video, then read that whole slide like you said. Then unpaused and listened to you read that same slide...man im dumb.

[@Lady8D]

I did the same lol...also felt the same when I realized it

[@NPC-00361]

RIP Apollo you were a cool dude. Such a shame what happened.

[@brichess8227]

You misattributed penguinz0 for finding the house of caravan cheater, it was actually jmac who discovered the cheat and penguinz posted a video about it later. I found this information by watching penguinz0 video, in which he says this.

[@TheBastardCommie]

Lmao this is exactly what cr1tikal hates - getting credit for shit other people did and deserve credit for.

[@Plusse]

12:12 - He doesn't attribute the discovery to penguinz0, just says he made a video comparing the runs.

[@MrGamingplan]

The second guy wasnt caught cheating, it seems more like he was trying to expose the website for slacking when checking speedruns and was more trying to prove a point.

[@silentdrew7636]

That's exactly what he did.

[@mike64411]

His video actually says basically I did this to show they don’t do their jobs. I made this video to show I did this. I’m literally exposing myself. You can’t really say he was caught cheating when he was doing it to sting all the admins and exposed himself.

[@Gunbudder]

Its so weird to get an Apollo Legend video in my recommendations now that he's gone. He was a fixture in the speedrunning scene for quite a while. I kind of wish his goodbye video was still on this channel, but it is pretty upsetting so i can understand why it was removed. its essentially a suicide note. if you really want to see it, it has been reuploaded. RIP in pepperonis

[@AgressivePigeon]

Speedrunner: Hey cool someone did a video on me! * sees its Apollo legend * Speedrunner: * *sweating bullets* *

[@commmander64]

Imagine a speedrunner being legit but then gets featured. "WHAT DID I DO TO DESERVE YOUR WRATH!?"

[@BEEEELEEEE]

Shoutouts to EZScape for sending a ton of support GFC's way when he was getting dislike-bombed.

[@mitsukiisbae6753]

Not gonna lie, it hurts to hear him end his videos with "I love you all". I miss you, Apollo...

[@Dragonrealms245]

Congrats on the 10million views on the first video my dude. Hope this one hits those same numbers!

[@brendanmcfarlanee3115]

i agree, if the punishment for coming clean is perma ban then why would anyone ever admit to cheating?

[@Nerfsii]

brendan mcfarlanee If you are talking about the LoanSharkJoe one the the reason he got perma banned was because he basically tested the moderators by seeing if they could detect an obviously faked run, they did not and he exposed them for it so in turn he got banned. If some one had said something about it before he got the chance to then I am sure he would not have been perma banned

[@brendanmcfarlanee3115]

@@Nerfsii good point good point !

[@rehmit]

Defiler Of Sylok he shouldn't have been permabanned. The moderators for that game should be criticized because they are not doing their job good. Apollo did the same thing with oot and didn't get banned. But hey, rules are rules.

[@emprox1]

this is like saying "well if the punishment for admitting to murdering someone is going to jail forever, why would anybody confess??" the solution is simple- don't cheat in the first place. you have already made your mistake, admitting it doesn't really fix it. even if you admit it you should still get banned, at least for a long while.

[@shadowsnake5133]

@@emprox1 that's a irrational extreme. Also, it's more akin to stealing right in front of a cop to see if they notice than murder, because nobody got harmed. And if the people clearly can't run something properly, like say the electric plant controlling your electricity, then they deserve to be called out on it, yes? That was the point, not, "I want a good time for internet fame," but to point out a flaw in the system that's way too obvious. So, maybe lay off the salty chips, less you get dehydrated from the amount of sweat coming from you.

[@pawel2669]

This is the 1st time Apollo's video has played as the random autoplay video since he passed away.

[@benjaminbrady2385]

I remember youtube randomly recommending me loansharkjoe's video months ago and I felt so bad, I'm glad that there a little more attention there even if it was a very small segment of the video

[@redurn8170]

You know what's worse than splicing? Using Gameshark in a speedrun.

[@Totalynotaweeb]

*Cough cough* Cavieragames *cough cough*

[@KSupes]

RIP Apollo legend, you will be missed

[@theloanranger2632]

Haven't seen too many videos praising the guy

[@luke1835]

@@theloanranger2632 So?

[@YamiMajic]

@@theloanranger2632 Haven't seen your dad either.

[@lesso3272]

@@YamiMajic That epic comment roast was 9 months in development

[@0m3GAARS3NAL]

>penguinz0 We call him cr1tikal, but thank you for bringing the TRAVESTY to light

[@MrDaCynic]

I'm genuinely surprised he has a genuine speed run. I thought he only attempted those ironically.

[@redacted1944]

Miguel Diaz it probably was but Charlie being the absolute chad he is he got 2nd

[@ShockingHydra]

@@MrDaCynic It's kind of both imo, he mainly speedran games that noone else did for shits & giggles (with a few exceptions) but he is actually serious in trying to speedrun them. Atleast that's what I think

[@TRAVISHERE002]

Hi I'm Travesty

[@0m3GAARS3NAL]

@@TRAVISHERE002 👌

[@pbrunet44]

Hol up, Critikal aka Penguinz0 has a second place speedrun?

[@jonlumi532]

Where?

[@pbrunet44]

@@jonlumi532 12:12 apparently he exposed a fake speedrunner in the game he runs 12:19 shows his place on the leaderboard

[@jonlumi532]

@@pbrunet44 yeah, i saw it, thank you

[@johncenasdad408]

Yeah he made a video on it a while back

[@Geegs]

He made many videos on it. He started running it two years ago, and had a hell of a rivalry. I insist you watch the videos, since they are pretty good.

[@s3p41r0t41]

-Me: I don't watch speedrun videos -KZbin suggestions: You watch speedrun videos now -Me: I guess i watch speedrun videos now

[@Pc_98_Fan]

"you're playing TAS right now" "i know" from that word you arleady know that the speedrun is fake

[@leo17921]

“i know” wasnt by the runner but by someone else watching

[@slavkei]

"Some have chosen to put ridiculous amounts of time...." Ah, I see that you, too, enjoy some cr1tikal.

[@coulditbecheese8208]

Feels weird coming back to these videos... Especially this one since it got me into his channel... Geez...

[@ProtocolDroidHK47]

LoanSharkJoe: Yo dawg, I saw ya'll needed to improve the moderation, so here's a video about my fake speedrun that I went ahead and took down. Moderators: *REEEEEEEEEEEEE*

[@josephrenediaz7523]

Wtf ok Cindy

[@CosmicX]

At the start Apollo said be respectful but then we got caviera games

[@patrikdanheimer1504]

Rest in Peace Apollo. We lost you way to soon..

[@Spectrik]

@Malhadado Epígono | Daybreak from what I've researched it seems to be suicide

[@WhatisAPaladin]

@@Spectrik after he scammed a whole bunch of people btw.. i think you forgot about that part... oh then he blamed his death on DarkViper (another youtuber) in his final message. I think we lost him at the right time.

[@Spectrik]

@@WhatisAPaladin I didn't know any of that I just learned he died like 20 minutes ago Edit: I am not up to date on this situation at all

[@ZyFinProductions]

@Malhadado Epígono | Daybreak His health was deteriorating and he opted to commit suicide. There was a bunch of drama that also surrounded this and he also put in the description of his suicide video (not him doing it, just him saying goodbye and explaining stuff) that two other people in the speedrun community gave him the push to go through with it, which is crass and fucked up. There's a lot more context, so I'd recommend you dig more into it. It's been two years.

[@fullmetalbleachnote]

@@WhatisAPaladin nah f*ck you for suggesting anybody "killed themselves at the right time"

[@Kaiser_XIII]

11:47 "Go ahead and file a claim against me as well. I'll file a counter-claim, win, and I'll make another video all about it. So feel free." BIG OOF

[@stevenbush8262]

my boy charlie (penguinz0) getting the recognition from the speedrun community he deserves.

[@josephrenediaz7523]

Ok cynthia

[@flyingfajitas]

One last thank you to the late legend, Apollo Legend.

[@rowanburns4841]

Loan shark wasn’t ‘caught’ cheating, he done it to show how lazy the moderators were and purposely added everything to shorten the run to prove the lack of competence in the mods ability to identify cheats.

[@lewisbyrd8426]

Dcvbkyrsscbgdsxcgf Did you? He never got caught, and he deleted the run HIMSELF after it got verified.

[@godlyvex5543]

@Dcvbkyrsscbgdsxcgf He is on the list of people caught cheating, therefore apollo is saying he was caught cheating. Simple logic. People are correcting him by saying he shouldn't be on the list because he wasn't ever caught.

[@godlyvex5543]

@Dcvbkyrsscbgdsxcgf Please, elaborate. Here, I'll even elaborate my point before you. First of all, in the description of the video in question, it stated, quite clearly, that the video was a TAS. If the admins admitted a video that proclaimed itself to be a TAS, that's the admins' fault. Second of all, nobody ever figured it out, therefor he was never caught. If somebody got away with a crime and turned themselves in, that doesn't mean they were caught. This video said neither of those things, so you can't use your flimsy excuse of 'that was all explained within the video'.

[@godlyvex5543]

@Dcvbkyrsscbgdsxcgf I don't see you refuting my point.

[@godlyvex5543]

@Dcvbkyrsscbgdsxcgf How childish of you. If you're going to insult people for having bad points, you need to have good points. You clearly don't understand how an argument works. Let's look at this simply: Apollo said that the person was caught cheating. They were not caught cheating. Therefor, apollo is wrong. Can you manage the insurmountable task of providing a counter-argument? If not, then anything you have to say is a waste of effort that would be better spent doing something with your life.

[@voxeln00b]

LMAO Imagine having to cheat in a game with an 12 second speedrun

[@thewiseoldfox]

Rest in peace my dude. Your videos will always be here and remembered well to me

[@pison1000]

Wait, the fire bats are determined by the Armos fight at the beginning of the game? That ... that actually blows my mind. How did people even figure that out?

[@shis1988]

Datamining. Basically reducing a game to code, they find the pattern of the Armos boss is also coded to the fire bats. I'm sure it's waaaaaay more complicated than that, but I'm not a coding expert.

[@cowboybarbaryn1302]

LoanSharkJoe also did it to show how easily it is to get a run verified. Like, he had a purpose.

[@delvechiocavalhieri2105]

New Speedrun category: how fast you get banned in a speedrun site.

[@megabyte3044]

Perfect

[@kefka14]

Love you Frogburt. You were in my chat when I got a Chameleon Twist world record back in 2014. I was reviewing some old records and when I started talking to you in chat it made me happy. RIP.

[@spicytapwater1145]

Rest in peace man, true legend.

[@Kryssy128]

If he wanted to off himself thats his choice, but blaming anyone but himself for it just proved that he was a coward in the end.

[@Pants.69]

@@Kryssy128 I mean I guess

[@klutzspecter3470]

@@Kryssy128 I mean in his un alive video he did blame himself for not getting the help he needed. He's gone anyway so what does that matter? Clearly, anyone who has un aliving issues is clearly 100% their fault.

[@zack79413]

Who died? Apollo legend?

[@absolboi334]

@@zack79413 yes

[@tripleparakeetshoes4613]

It's so weird watching Apollo Legend videos still in 2021...

[@DevilboyScooby]

"If you file a claim because your feelings are hurt, that is illegal..." Billy Mitchell, are you listening?

[@sadesurbex2816]

He did probably....

[@Shadouga]

8:05 - I love the subreddit moderator's user flare on the "Anti" portion of the video: "If I post about you, that's not good".

[@RedDed228]

Rest in peace Apollo, I'm sorry your personal demons won.

[@billuminati3867]

Damn apollo, going in strong to destroy cheaters careers for good 👌

[@Mngalahad]

too bad hell never catch me ;)

[@sirocco2810]

He's not destroying anyone's carreer, the guys were already exposed 🤔🤔

[@billuminati3867]

@@sirocco2810 Well duh, this is all old news besides the recent Yu-gi-oh runner, however his channel gains stupid viewer attention in these vids so to the average person watching this not involved in the speed running community, they'll at least be informed not to support these people and probably get dislike trains going on any previous uploads or future streams.

[@Blueflag04]

He's doing a right thing

[@elongatedcarrot3704]

The Yu-Gi-Oh cheater fooled himself lmao

[@darrelllaramie6250]

Probably fooled everyone lmao

[@heyheyitsjae2475]

Shit, I just randomly got recommended this video and decided to check it out, loved the pacing and got interested in seeing more from this creator, only to scroll through the comments and find out they died. That's real fuckin rough. Rip Apollo, I missed out on one hell of a guy

[@matthewmabry1116]

Imagine how empty life must be to go thru all this work to cheat on a videogame speed run

[@MrRaposaum]

Imagine cheating and then threatening people who caught you in the act.

[@IraEskins]

I love how you gave them all a super villain origin stories. "Something happened one day...". Fantastic work.

[@mayorexcalibur1282]

Rest In Peace Apollo truly a sad situation

[@aestrobloome]

tf happened?

[@SnailMan63]

Yoooo penguinz0 has second place for house of caravan? Sick.

[@rylibes6455]

I’ve been binge watching these you legend. Rest In Peace

[@madokakaname471]

me at school : 1 page of work me discovering speedrun cheaters : 120 pages of work, 3 videos, 5 interviews

[@rndompersn3426]

RIP. Enjoyed your videos. Thought he just quit. Condolences to his family.

[@goblin-b6g]

Miss you apollo, thank you for at least leaving us with so many videos to remember you by.

[@trancandy1]

the second one is a good thing. not the way the mods responded, but it's essentially the same thing as people going into stores attempting to buy alcohol with no ID, with the intent of testing employees to ensure they ID customers so they don't sell cigarettes or alcohol to children. the mods got upset that they were called out for their laziness and carelessness.

[@taylorcarpenter3850]

WAIT, SOMEBODY BEAT CR1T1KAL IN HOC?!?

[@laa0fa502]

He was beat like a year ago. Hes been in 2nd since (he might be 3rd or 4th now)

[@Blernster]

Gay

[@Ali_g8or]

@@Blernster no u

[@andy56duky]

@@Ali_g8or he's gay confirmed.

[@duckieduck3763]

Rest In Peace legend

[@The_Thulhu]

Loan Shark Joe, as far as I know, did this as an experiment to show how easy it is to post an obviously cheated speedrun, and not have it caught.

[@lj-wp3sf]

Kinda funny that Apollo missed this when he himself did this shit for a video

[@RedHairdo]

@@lj-wp3sf Apollo didn't miss this, he properly addressed this in the video. But you aren't alone: somehow, many people didn't see Apollo already made the point by implying it with the flow of the storytelling. That was not clear enough for quite a bunch of people still.

[@lj-wp3sf]

@@RedHairdo Big brain comment

[@julikaiba]

RedHairdo apollo said, that "he shouldnt be banned because he voluntarily deleted his run because of the obvious flaws and doesnt seem likely to do it again" in no way did he say, that the whole thing was just a test of the mods and not intended to fake a run thats the problem, it wasnt mentioned, that the intention never was to get a good run out of it, but rather to prove a problem

[@The_Thulhu]

@@julikaiba Bigger brain comment.