Toni Morrison Beautifully Answers an "Illegitimate" Question on Race (Jan. 19, 1998) | Charlie Rose

[@hawkice5140]

"Its not a literary question... its a sociological one..." EXACTLY

[@masspence1]

But literature reflects our society.

[@themarbleking]

masspence1. Exactly! And you live in a brown world. Are you overseen by their brown gaze? No, because they do not see you as inferior or superior, and not because you are beneath them.

[@williamtsanders]

Literature reflects society because writers write what they see and what they feel. It's not about living up to "sociological truth." Mirrors don't care about what they reflect, the just reflect

[@monnieeeeyt7037]

Her and Dr. Francis Cress Welsing........they remind me of each other. Powerful ancestors

[@kkkkkkk7]

The best answer would be EXPLAIN YOUR QUESTION PLEASE.

[@geobus3307]

I love how Toni Morrison put the question back on Charlie Rose by saying essentially, 'What else could it mean?' And then she explained why the question was multi-layered and actually racist. He couldn't muster an argument for his implication that she was reading too much into the question. Ms Morrison, such a deep thinker and beautiful communicator!

[@SuperRobertoClemente]

It was very important that she went back at him in that way. For decades Rose was positioned as this elegantly neutral, cosmopolitan intellectual-- when in fact we now know that he was a completely unprofessional abuser of his own power. I never understood his popularity, and always noticed the conservatism lurking under his supposedly innocent, "curious" questions.

[@wandavanderstoop2424]

How could the question be read any other way? It's difficult not to feel that his condescension is also gender biased. Embarrassing hubris on his part, so self righteous.

[@povilasbuda6490]

Not disagreeing, but Charlie read a question from another journalist Edit: In all honesty, I don't know anything about Charlie Rose

[@SuperRobertoClemente]

@@povilasbuda6490 A clever way to say what you want to say without taking responsibility for it. Rose knew what he was doing.

[@povilasbuda6490]

@@SuperRobertoClemente I see

[@Bailey2006a]

She is now immortal. Rest in Glory, Beloved Sister

[@D.A.-Espada]

@@humanentity5890 You do right by your name. You're definitely poison and definitely derpin I'll also address what you said: The beauty of language and the marvel of the written medium is that it allows for the kind of poetry and sometimes, dramaticism, that Bailey employed. I'd say it wasn't overdone as well as fitting, considering who Bailey is honoring. Why be so miserable?

[@Astrochronic]

nah...she will be forgotten in less than a decade....most of her people dont even read books...she is nothing but a racist misandrist liar. Good riddance.

[@tonimorrison6326]

@@Astrochronic You will not even be remembered by your own family. Toni Morrison is a legend and the fact that you dishonoured her means you live in regret and will probably not amount to much.

[@Astrochronic]

@@tonimorrison6326 im just honest, unlike you and your false idol. Its obvious that she is nothing but a lying bigot...

[@tommygipson575]

Much respect to our Goddess. We will never forget you.

[@adiabadic]

3:16 Why is no one talking about this metaphor: "The glove has to be pulled inside out." It's just beautiful. A glove pulled inside out can still function and be worn despite everything being the opposite of what a regular glove is. I'm not sure if this is a common saying, but I've never heard it before, and the second she said it I got a vivid image of exactly what she meant. This woman was a gem, rest in power.

[@YoungSimba4040]

I am , but like yourself it’s the first time I heard it & got chills when she said it. I wrote it in my notes & will explore it later . It’s a very powerful metaphor

[@ashleyharris9660]

Yes. I found that quote to be so profound

[@eitanavielyahu5133]

Even though our ancestors, have built nations just for you so call white ppl=(red). Now that the table has turned. We can also do what you can do, but better... She saysth it in a much nicer way... Da End

[@fightclub6291]

Because she’s blowing my mind with every sentence so no quote stood out as more important than another. It is powerful imagery now that you mention it though…

[@richardbromfield3336]

I think she is exploring the resilience factor of the black body in a white world called America by viv

[@pd4887]

I love how Toni literally walked him through and explained and educated him on how silly question is, love it

[@autumnjade815]

Even though he didn’t need or deserve it.

[@dawnvickerstaff]

He needed it. Deserve it? I'm not sure what is meant by that. He had Toni Morrison's gaze. If you meant he didn't deserve it. I think you might be right.@@autumnjade815

[@prometheus3498]

It wasn’t his question. It was someone else’s question that she’d answered in a frustrated manner and be wanted her to elucidate. She did explain to him why she didn’t overreact to the question though

[@freddiemonroe5787]

Not literally, but thats cool…

[@user-vs3nt8ch2q]

shes an angry person venting about her past.. but go head

[@daveodell6076]

‘As if our lives have no meaning, no depth, without the white gaze.’ She is absolutely correct.

[@peaceinthemidst2814]

BEAUTIFUL!!!!

[@Lady-gd8zl]

When I heard her say that, it shook me to my core. It is so, so true.

[@daveodell6076]

@Erica Edwards @Lady TRUTH

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

Black people keep themselves there. No one can raise and stand but in their own. Victim hood is a choice

[@yolondagilbert1100]

@Esther A you never can win with some of the white people. You know they always have to flip their shit on you not realizing they had to use our ancestors backs for their children and grandchildren of today to have what they got now. But it's always someone like this dude, Jacob Jorgensen, who says something stupid.

[@GenXsinglefree]

What an intelligent and unapologetically frank woman. It would have been nice to have her around a few more years.

[@ebbsgohard]

Unless someone gets inspired to pick up the torch and March forward

[@marysalvi242]

@@@ebbsgohard well Ms Morrison did and others too - there will always be those who will might take a different turn on the path and then we'll have new perspectives and new energy..etc always moving forward, always have creative souls that have been touched by those who..on and on and on : )

[@humanentity5890]

We don't need more racists.

[@GenXsinglefree]

@@humanentity5890 You mean you don't want people like her around who make you "uncomfortable ". She certainly made Charlie uncomfortable.

[@humanentity5890]

@@GenXsinglefree oh so you get to decide what I mean huh?

[@josephwritessongs]

That was the gentlest slap a man ever received

[@corazoncubano5372]

Sometimes people, particularly rude men need a hard stinging slap.

[@TheKritter91]

@@corazoncubano5372 gentleness is a much more noble teacher in the long run than harshness. The rod is for the fools back, but a gentle response makes the unlearned wise

[@tj.4079]

She gave it to him with a smile...LOL

[@rosewhite---]

Here's a truthful slap for the black> Sullen faced black woman maybe should get a Bible and read Genesis 9:24 to try understand why they are cursed in all spects of their lives and mostly fit fo rnothing better than slavery: 9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. 25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. 26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. Canaan is the father of the black africans.

[@josephwritessongs]

@@rosewhite--- damn...get help

[@grimhanson8494]

To communicate so eloquently while being so passionate is a gift.

[@fortunatelyfortunate7138]

I can listen to her for hours. Her conversation skills and intelligence is magnetic.

[@stevie586]

She and Malcolm X are music to my ears!

[@dope1974]

Her eyes are sparkling with intelligence. What a beautiful soul.

[@Bindi_Marc]

with grace. with clear articulation. without being defensive. without anger.

[@jusjoshandthemic]

Would it be less valid if she were angry? If she were defensive? If she were less "articulate" or didn't speak in a way deemed as "intelligent" by white society? If she were rougher and more rigid than graceful? Hoping this isn't to invalidate Black women who don't check off these boxes created for us. Respectability politics is not cute and I'm sure if you catch Toni Morrison on the right day, the checks in those boxes might get erased.

[@jusjoshandthemic]

@Dream Dream Serene My first feeling reading this. So true.

[@jesushateswood]

@Dream Dream Serene Graceful and articulate? Well she's a professor and a writer, why wouldn't she be graceful and articulate? And if she had displayed annoyance with his question, why couldn't it be defined as "passionate or intense" instead of anger?

[@africarib]

Because she has the language to express it...a lot of times the average person doesn't.

[@kt9495]

underablackgaze You have a good point. The problem is we are often programmed to shut down or retaliate when being spoken to in such a manner. It becomes a shouting match until one person decides to diffuse the situation. There is nothing wrong with passion or healthy anger. As long as it is kept in check.

[@missalmond]

Ugh I love her. She eloquently and lovingly told him his question was insulting. I wish I had this much power on a daily basis. Wow. I’m in awe. Rest in Power :(

[@paulturnet4572]

@SidneeSpeaks, You do have that much "POWER", you only need to CULTIVATE it and don't allow yourself to be connected to (sympathy) those about whom you speak an unflattering and disfavorable truth (or at least the truth as you understand it). That was what Toni Morrison was about, telling the truth AS SHE SAW IT, WITHOUT ANY EUPHEMISMS OR MINCING OF WORDS, IF SOMEONE'S FEELINGS GOT HURT OR BRUISED,.... OH WELL.

[@eyesthatsmile-heartthatlov8050]

@@paulturnet4572 I think the power is doing it with her regal eloquence and grace.

[@paulturnet4572]

@Grace, Grit and Glory, yeah, and plenty of that too,... BE WELL !!! 😉

[@divinebynature7056]

You can learn to calmly and peaceably speak your truth and the facts. Also know, not everything requires a response.

[@mariagoret3312]

You can do it sister😊

[@FullanyBeauty]

I felt profoundly sad when she said: As though our lives have no meanings and no depth without the "white gaze". Why should we need the validation of white people in anything that we do?

[@fuckamericanidiot]

You don't.

[@forceforgood4669]

Never.

[@thenathanrox]

You don’t

[@marymcdaniel8999]

@Tat Bas Right, not when we're still being killed off by the police and still being terrorized.

[@scorpiocarnage1055]

@@marymcdaniel8999 And definitely not as long the participants in lynching still get to walk free.

[@prettylilqiqi]

“It’s not a literary question… it has nothing to do with the literary imagination. It’s a sociological question, that shouldn’t be put to me.” 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@MARIAHLADY19]

When she said you can tell when a black author is writing for the "white gaze" because they explain things that didnt need to be explained. I feel the same way when watching some movies nowadays. Her target audience will understand without a problem. Some ppl just like to be included in everything

[@tobecontinued6263]

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[@starskyarsky8374]

That's racist in itself!!!

[@jshu-_-]

But this is a necessary process. We seek equality but refuse to share our experience? Compassion is born from understanding. I'm not saying not all non-white writers should do this but we can't fault it either. It depends on the writer's intention.

[@abnormpsych17]

@Joshua what do you mean we refuse to share our experience? Most of pop culture in America literally IS Black culture or heavily influenced by it. All black people do is share our experiences. Anyways the BEST parts of black stories and culture are the genuine parts that happen amongst ourselves. At least I think so.

[@omowhanre]

@@mikkelhoejen you're ignorant paragraphs proved Ms. Morrisons point. Maybe get therapy if your feeling are hurt.

[@iago07]

Charlie is out of his league here... 🤦🏽‍♂️ That question is sociological, not literary... 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 “...as though our lives have no meaning without the white gaze.” *🎤 dropped*

[@JoseAngelHernandez-PhD]

Out of his league? THey are both discussing fiction...

[@TheVuduYuDu]

@@JoseAngelHernandez-PhD In this clip they are not talking about fiction. The conversation began when Charlie Rose asked her a question posed by another journalist and she found the question illegitimate, usually because it is not a question posed to white writers and that there was an inherent assumption in that question that her work is only legitimate especially when viewed by white audience.

[@utubelvrNYC]

TheVuduYuDu 🎤 dropped again . 🎓

[@dawnc.3711]

Too much for his brain...

[@nicholo1]

So far out of his league ..,,

[@healingnow444]

Wow. She is so wise, so humble, so willing and so patient...it's not a literary question!! I'm surprised she doesn't just laugh at him..

[@PHlophe]

Madeline, laughing will be missing an opportunity to school him. she was asked the exact same question by 4 white women journalists , its on youtube.

[@dustinsaidtoney2547]

@@PHlophe That's kind of true, but why is their education always our responsibility. Sometimes schooling them is the creation of a better environment for ourselves and so is fostering the highest level of authenticity in ourselves as well. If a stupid question brings out genuine laughter in us us than so be it. If a stupid question brings about a serious and thoughtful response than so be it. We don't need to be jerks, but if White people want to be respectful and and sincerely want to learn how to interact with non White people, it's ok for them to experience discomfort from time to time. That discomfort shouldn't come from our bad behavior, but their unconscious racism and biases coming up and out, Insha'llah.

[@PHlophe]

@@dustinsaidtoney2547this is 100% true, we shouldn't bear the burden of having to explain our existence to caucasian. it is exhausting and has real life consequences.i know a thing or 2 about this from a very uncommon perspective.

[@lone_demon]

@A M you're an idiot, a colossal idiot ;)

[@lone_demon]

@A M still a colossal lemon 😉

[@TheReturnOfStephan1]

The best, most direct part of Ms. Morrison's answer begins at 4:02. She did not overreact. The question was asked by a journalist who was/is annoyed with the success of work that is not written about him, his thoughts, feelings and/or concerns.

[@1MarkKeller]

Those works made him uncomfortable, because in his imagination he HAD to see them as Black, and that made them more real, more human, more relatable. Probably taxed his imagination too much to do such a thing.

[@zapazap]

What you say is more than I know.

[@kavuela]

@@1MarkKeller which ironically she talks about in a sense when she speaks about chinua. She didn’t understand the african experience but she immersed herself in it and was okay with it. She also alluded to being comfortable with stepping into other people’s worlds and experiencing them for what they are, no matter the walk of life from which they stem from. Something that i think the person who formulated the question, cannot fathom.

[@1MarkKeller]

@@kavuela Assuredly so.

[@kumada84]

Nobody likes to feel "left out" - especially the ones who are used to being the ones doing the leaving-out.

[@OZbibaO]

I love the way she expresses herself. she's calm and really takes the time to question not only the question but also her reaction to it. She confronts what could be her own biases at the same time, and by the end of it I think no matter where you stand on the validity of the question you truely grasp her perception and reaction to it.

[@deborahawthorne8231]

I am in absolute Agreement.

[@colstonlchinese]

I can sit at her knee and listen to her soothing wisdom all day. RIP to this literary and cultural legend!

[@mjbabicful]

It makes me think of when James Baldwin followed up "Go Tell It On The Mountain" with "Giovanni's Room". No one wanted to publish it. He was told that this book would end his career. Why? Because it had all white characters, living in Europe, and even openly gay (shocking at that time). Baldwin, after "Mountain," was supposed to be the writer of the black, urban American experience. How dare he stray from that? Morrison, like Baldwin, is simply insisting on being an artist on her own terms, regardless of the white literary world's expectations.

[@nikolademitri731]

Amazing point, thank you!

[@sunnys1n9h]

Giovanni's Room is a beautiful book.

[@mjbabicful]

@@sunnys1n9h So beautiful.

[@marysalvi242]

@@PolishViking this is such a 100% example of white privilege doubled down, first asked and then not respecting her own personal intelligent response.

[@monicaangelini3324]

@@sunnys1n9h one of my top ten. It shook me up when I was 20.

[@kathyspruill3131]

Toni gently puts him in his place. Delicate sledgehammer.

[@kennydawson265]

Iron hand in a velvet glove

[@rachelgarcia8425]

U YES delicate sledgehammer

[@commanderthorkilj.amundsen3426]

She is absolutely wrong and in need of a comparative lit course. Joyce and Tolstoy did not write about race as a focus or burden, or the practice of racism. I’ve enjoyed a half dozen of her novels through the years, but they are totally focused upon the personal experiences of black persons enduring some type of racial injustice, either on a personal level or inter-generational, systemic level. She is hung up on the topic, her life defined by it...a real pain in the ass to have around at a backyard barbecue.

[@udonoquesabo3235]

COOL !!! PROFOUND COMMENT !!! I LOVE IT !!! THANK YOU MUCH !!!

[@commanderthorkilj.amundsen3426]

hasslfoot Morrison first is comparing herself to two titans of literature. Conceited? Secondly, they spoke/wrote with characters battling class differences and economic hardships. Morrison, by contrast, has made skin color the defining character of her novels, and her life. It is the forever struggle, the eternal chip on her shoulder. More than a human, a woman, American, author, mother, sister, or daughter, she professes her race. Proudly obsessed.

[@veronicamoton9833]

You can never come into anyone’s creative space and tell them what is acceptable or what should make them comfortable .

[@zapazap]

Did he say that anything was unacceptable?

[@timeandattention3945]

it was a question not a command

[@JamesScottGuitar]

This is like asking John Coltrane, “when are you going to write music like The Beatles?”

[@zapazap]

He could answer 'never'. Then we would learn something.

[@rawuncutmack1038]

Bam!!!

[@SuperSpace2009]

Wow! So true! I laughed so hard when I read it!

[@davidmundowyahoo7839]

Who were trying to write music like Little Richard and Chuck Berry?

[@robyndismon394]

@James Quinlan Fools have limited comprehension and development. I know u already know that but I just had 2 respond lol.😅

[@ninagilliam9568]

It's such a disingenuous, condescending and demeaning question, especially when any author -- but especially a master of the craft like Toni Morrison -- is writing about a subject or from a perspective that purposely and systematically has not been given its due. What this question is really saying is, "It's nice that you've written a book or two that centers your race/gender/culture/identity/experience that has been purposely villified, marginalized, and ignored for centuries, but now that we've let you have your fun, we need you to turn your attention back to your oppressors. Really, you owe us that much for letting you play in our sandbox, don't you think?" Of course, the brilliant Toni Morrison saw through all that.

[@zapazap]

You say more than I know.

[@Bentleygirl7]

🎯💯👏

[@TheDealvin]

That was an excellent explanation of that question....

[@dr.kevinmoore8889]

Yes! This!!!

[@dónalÓNiadh]

@@zapazap Bryan, you have wrote that same quote more than once here. You clearly don't know much, you fawning virtue signaller.

[@travelturnedup22]

An iconic wordsmith and thinker. Her knowledge of literature and writers from all walks of life is something to be admired. Rest in peace Toni Morrison. To a life well done!

[@daughterofaking3409]

Yes indeed very well put.

[@tobecontinued6263]

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[@koubrazakaria4508]

"Anything can happen in art, there are no boundaries there"... Go and Rest, and Beloved you'll always be.

[@2014jguest]

Eloquence and Power.

[@audreyrichards8923]

Exactly why they had to do everything possible to prevent us from learning to read.

[@johndeagle4389]

What is your opinion of William Ellison?

[@PamelaTaylor]

yes

[@johndeagle4389]

@@PamelaTaylor Do you understand English? What is your opinion of William Ellison?

[@PamelaTaylor]

do you understand creole loving if not, don't be such a smart butt

[@lovevillage4012]

Something about this gives me strength and structure to hold my head high for these next four years! Thank you, Toni.

[@rasheenturpin]

A lioness of the community, unapologetically fierce & completely nurturing.

[@tobecontinued6263]

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[@mercuryrising4939]

Whenever the question is asked "are you putting too much into...?" That usually means the answer which we are giving is too damn spot on and makes the receiver uncomfortable. That's why it's called TRUTH; And Charlie Rose got it, right here!

[@Ms.Billie1234]

omG, THANK YOU!! i started to write this but thought "aww who cares about my opinion" & erased it....but that's EXACTLY what i was saying! first he was urging her to "educate me" -- excuse me, massa charlie, oops, i mean mr. charlie -- but it was YOUR ppl that created such racist & ignorant undertones & systemic racism as a whole, so how 'bout you educate yourSELF -- or ask YOUR ancestors to educate you. Black ppl don't now owe you that too. then @2:05, he's (like u said) accusing her of "don't you think you're importing too much into the question?....i think so..." & clearly he was uncomfortable w/ her answer, as evidenced when she then CHALLENGED him, asking "well, what else could it mean?? what DOES that question mean, charlie...YOU tell me..." at which point he started fumblng over his words, scrambling for an "out" by saying "well i didn't ask the question" -- ahh, so u didn't ask the question, & can't imagine what a question like that could possibly mean, yet somehow u knew for certain that she was "importing too much" into it?? #Checkmate. ~ b.

[@periseanbaltimore4064]

she handled this with the care it warranted, it's not the question by itself, it's the insinuation related to the question also, as if writing about race is somehow a lesser form of public discourse not worth the value as say other literary works, staying silent never changes anything

[@bernlin2000]

The implication being that "white" is default...and "talking white" someone stops making it about race (like white people can't have just as diverse of backgrounds as black people, if not more so). Toni answers this question very knowingly: race is an important part of how we experience the world. We may not want to identify primarily by race, but the world around us often tries to do it for us, prejudging the circumstances.

[@karaamundson3964]

YES

[@BE-bk1tb]

@Perisean Baltimore...or the insinuation that she is incapable, not creative or not a good enough writer, to write about anything else if race is not involved.

[@periseanbaltimore4064]

@@BE-bk1tb yeah that too, great point

[@solertree8653]

I really wish modern interviews would follow this format and actually let the guests talk and have a proper conversation. so refreshing to see

[@dr.camaled.7085]

”Aren't you imposing too much into the question? ” He was rejecting her answer because Toni’s response was far too intelligent for him to conceive.

[@shaylifriedlein8495]

this 👏

[@samaraisnt]

No, it's because he is a white guy who thinks the same. Therefore he could only view the question through a white perspective, and not a human perspective that is Toni in her humanity AND in her blackness. That is why white interviewers were always terrible at interviewing her & other black people...Terry Gross' interview was similiarly tone deaf. Yet they're the BEST interviewers out there--but only when it comes to white people. Funny, huh?

[@Pww642]

abso-fucking-lutely.

[@jacquieaquines1689]

even after he asked her to help him understand he continued to be perplexed. i think he had nowhere to go but to be perplexed to disrupt the unavoidable guilt.

[@ryanseddon4800]

@@jacquieaquines1689You nailed it

[@mochawitch]

What his question is actually saying is "when you gonna stop making white people feel *uncomfortable* ?"

[@computerlove14]

Thats exactly What he meant. Spot on.

[@lisasapp2466]

mochawitch totally agree with you beautiful lady 👍🏽

[@mcstewey1]

Exactly. Whiteness is fragile...

[@cherylmurray7942]

@Fin Zen Funny, as a person of color (Black) I love Dean Koontz and never even thought about him using Black characters. Maybe he hasn't much experience with us.

[@alexsegu2712]

Well if white people did not do uncomfortable acts that harm the mental health and well-being of black people then there would be no need for them to feel uncomfortable in the first place. Our actions start with ourselves. White people just need to understand the cause and effect of their actions.

[@pedroeiras9945]

There has never been anyone quite as eloquent and intelligent and articulate as Toni Morrison. She is a true genius! Listening to her speak is such an amazing thing.

[@epicsseven7686]

Malcolm X. And he'd battled the best. None could break him during debates

[@loriannwhite8384]

I love that Ms. Morrison name dropped Chinua Achebe’s Things Fall Apart. Read The African Trilogy. It will change your life.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

Lori Ann White Thanks for reminding me it's about time to read Things Fall Apart again! ❤️

[@9xxxxxxxxx]

I read it and it didn't change my life at all. Great book though. The only thin that changes your life is you.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

True story: my original copy of it *literally* fell apart because I read it repeatedly. One day I opened it up, and all the pages just fell out in one big whoosh, leaving me holding just the empty outside cover of the book. Printed on the inside spine were the words: "THINGS FALL APART." Seemed so perfect, somehow. I've never forgotten it.

[@loriannwhite8384]

Manecki Neckbeard Yes. Laughing & Crying at the same time because my own copy is at death’s door.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

Lori Ann White Seeing this video and reading this thread makes me miss books, honestly. I mean *real* books. The way they feel, the way they smell, their inherent fragility, the way they evolve and change the more they're read, loved, lent, borrowed and reread...the smell of libraries and the brittle, delicate feeling of old pages- I miss it all. I miss what it meant to me as a child: that silent but SO exciting sense of imminent adventure that I got each time I held a new book. And I feel a profound, ineffable sense of loss when I think of the fact that my children will never have the opportunity to experience these things. I still remember the first time I borrowed my sister's old, much-read and much-loved copy of "Beloved." With all the dog-eared pages, flaking covers and notes scribbled in the margins. When I finished, I closed the book and just sat for a few minutes, feeling chills all over my body. I knew I'd just read something brilliant and remarkable. I felt a sense of literal awe for Ms. Morrison's genius. She made me feel the utter tragedy of American history so powerfully, on such a visceral level, that it almost physically hurt. Maybe it makes me sound old, but I miss that feeling. Ebooks just don't feel the same to me. When I heard she had died, I felt such an overwhelming sense of loss. Humanity had lost someone uniquely brilliant. And it makes me a little sad to think that my children will most likely read her words on a sterile tablet screen.

[@marlene5494]

Watching again in 2024. I will never get enough of her. She’s my literary hero. The world will never comprehend the magnitude of losing her as a writer and speaker. RIP Ms Morrison. We miss you 💔

[@Thatsalotrobbie]

His final remark, and continuing to insinuate that his question was insignificant, is so indicative of the power dynamics of "micro"-aggressions, how it's only "micro" for the perpetrator, and how it lands in a complex inner world for the receiver.

[@mr.horrorchild4094]

Yes, many are very fragile

[@amishaupadhyaya3818]

Best explanation of micro agressions I've heard

[@reichen609]

Wow! So true and beautifully written.

[@6400loser]

That bothered me so much too... Her wisdom is lost on his fragile ego

[@reichen609]

Basically the superior, straight old white guy was gaslighting her, formally. I wish there was a channel that compiled all the gaslighting that superior white men have done on ALL their dark-skinned victims (this specific one, for now) in modern history to the current era. Could be in tier lists and collected in specific folders so all the world can binge and just play it in the background in public spaces for everyone to hear, including the oppressor species. They deserve it. They cannot use their 🧻-victim card on this one. Remind them of their sins, everyone. But not in a whiny way, just like this Legendary Woman Ms.Toni Morrison here.

[@quintenisliving7204]

hE WOULD HAVE never ASKED Danielle Steel that question.

[@OfficialSearchEngine]

You are absolutely right about that.

[@TheVuduYuDu]

To be fair to the pervy old dude. Charlie Rose was asking her about her reaction to a question that another journalist Bill Moyer asked her previously.

[@indigenousqueen2425]

There would have been no need to.

[@echamber]

No comparison

[@TheVuduYuDu]

@Dream Dream Serene And I do believe he did it to give her a chance to answer it fully.

[@yvettemckinzie9082]

We are the only race where such questions are asked! It is insulting! SIP QueenMother❤️❤️❤️

[@PHlophe]

Evette it starts with hair, then it follows with the dress sense, but before all that we are also coerced into giving our children euro names.this is goes far, veeeery far.

[@noterleej9312]

Lechiffresix six day

[@coolwater55]

Well, no, First Nations, Aboriginals of all kinds, as well as African descent peoples. Plus women of all colours were asked those types of questions and still are. 😊

[@tobecontinued6263]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHfCg2yef9aHirc

[@britonyabanks]

I will adore this genius woman forever. RIH

[@PamelaTaylor]

genius for real

[@britonyabanks]

Jesse Aaron Cut the shit you asshole. I’m over here honoring a writing legend and you talking politics?! Get the fuck on with your bullshit, silly boy.

[@davidcoleman8056]

@A M I don't know why you go around spreading hate on ur channel, I've seen your unwarranted hate comments on several vids. I'll pray for you, u obviously need it

[@davidcoleman8056]

@A M The world sucks rn. Message me if u need anything buddy. Hang in there and remember there's ALWAYS gunna be people to try and put u down, u just gotta kill em with kindness as hard as that may be. Much love ❤️

[@davidcoleman8056]

@A M whoosh

[@kristenmcelhiney5816]

How dare Charlie Rose tell Toni Morrison she’s “making too much” of her analysis of the “illegitimate question” she was asked? He isn’t capable of understanding the sophistication of her thought.

[@ssoouull]

I think we just watched her help Charlie Rose grow...and I believe that he saw and accepted the growth. We need more of this...honest questions...honest answers... and honest listening...leading to growth.

[@terrylaguardia6838]

If it were just an incidental question they wouldn’t be so compulsive towards burdening her into having to answer it ALL THE TIME. It’s hard to come across an interview with her (I haven’t so far) in which the question is NOT asked. I mean, at least these interviewers should have cared so much as to do their homework - to pay attention to the answers she’d already given in the earlier interviews. Then to suggest that it’s her problem not theirs is just sanctioned ignorance adding insult to injury.

[@grayrachelle]

Thank you for mentioning this. I didn't realize it was a repeated question--though I believe it. What a waste of interviewing time, to ask her that question when the answer is clear. So many other things could be asked.

[@mountainlife2411]

She's being so nice to this idiot. Love the grey locks.

[@jonesfredrick94]

They are Gorgeous

[@PHlophe]

we are all trained to be extra nice when we are about to say something very serious. this is something i have noticed on every minority including myself. because we know the racist interlocutor is always trying to escape.

[@WolfeatsCheeseburger]

Beautiful dreads 🔥

[@helenbobo1948]

I think Charlie was giving Ms. Morrison the opportunity to more fully explain her feelings about the question. The question had been posed by another journalist originally. Not Charlie.

[@thenrepeat9124]

@@helenbobo1948 Charlie's reiteration of the question was lost on most here who seek opportunities to feel that whites are put in their place. A simple and obvious question here is made into daggers Charlie somehow deserved according to many of these comments. A simple "no" would have been an honest answer to an honest question. Charlie was right. Her answer was ignoble.

[@davidbanks1746]

Her intellect is so alluring

[@nickel8412]

I’ve watched this video countless times, and it never fails to move me. I can’t chose what I love most: the truth of what she says, the eloquence of how she says it, or the soulful expressions on her face. I’m grieved and angry that I live in a state that wants to ban her books from high school curriculum. How moronic! Toni Morrison always and forever!

[@christie4378]

“White gaze” is not something I’ve ever heard of, but it is so brilliant a concept. We learned about male gaze in art history but I never heard “white gaze” before. She is obviously a highly educated woman and I admire how diplomatically she explained this concept after so idiotic a question was asked of her.

[@professorjams]

Thank you Toni , that kind of racial honesty is understandable. Bravo.!

[@D.A.-Espada]

As I've gotten older, the physical presence of a person has become less of a barrier to seeing the truth of the individual. What I mean to say is, this woman is one of the most attractive people I've ever come across. The soul and personality shine through and as a result she becomes even more beautiful than she could ever be either here in this interveiw or that she in her youth could pronounce with her physical charm. What a woman

[@redgeminiarts3674]

Once she delivered her answer...Charlie realized instantly, how insignificant he was and how smart she was. Her response was brilliant and as precise as a surgeon’s knife. He laid a trap for her and found himself trapped. He will never forget that interview, it’s a permanent memory in his mind and a lesson he will never forget. Don’t mess with a Black woman with a brain.

[@essiebaradar7976]

Wasn't Charlie Rose removed from PBS?

[@redgeminiarts3674]

essie baradar YES?

[@iNpUt1403]

Nah, he was doing leading questions. He wasn't antagonizing Her at all.

[@SandManny]

I love her spirit. I could sit and listen to her speak on life itself and her experiences for hours.

[@Soulgazer999]

What a phenomenally graceful, *patient* & beautiful woman. God rest her soul ✨

[@sonjatanksley5432]

Beautiful. If Charlie does not get it, well, thoughts and prayers.

[@oldslowcoach]

Unfortunately, you all are reading too much into this... Rose isn't the one who posed the question, he only repeated it to know how she felt about being asked the question. smh

[@ajunaid3992]

This is profound. If I could I would triple like this video. I can't understand those who have disliked it.

[@Great_Wife_Omo]

@Joe Ann you hit the nail on the head

[@therobertspot4840]

Here's why a lot of foundational black americans dislike Toni Morrison...kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZC3mWSImqaFl6s

[@nikolademitri731]

The Robert Spot Well, that man is entitled to his opinion, like anyone else... but that’s just about the nicest thing I can say about that (and I did listen to it, in full). It’s also just about the only thing I can say, bc I don’t understand where he’s coming from with much of his accusations, but I would be more than happy to know who these important or foundational black men are, and read/listen to some of their reasoning of why she was upholding white supremacy... I won’t lie: I haven’t read any of her literature, and as a white man in America, I know that my perspective simply can’t be enough on its own to understand her literature fully, but that’s why I read black authors and listen to black intellectuals, activists, leftists, etc, because to the extent that I can understand and empathize, I want to. I resent white supremacy, though I can’t resent it for the same reasons, and in the same ways that a black brother or sister does, bc my relationship to it, and experience of it, is different in every way to that of any person of color (or so I would imagine). Let me get to my point, though: two of my biggest black heroes are Cornel West, and Angela Davis, and these are people who spent their lives combating white supremacy, and they seem to have a different perspective of Miss Morrison from these folks that allegedly “see through her support of white supremacy”, or however the man in the video put it... See, that’s hard for me, bc nobody is gonna tell me that Angela Davis is the type of black woman to bend the knee to white supremacy, or water shit down to serve a white agenda, or have any kind of hatred or contempt for the black *man,* if anything it’s the exact opposite with her on *ALL* of those accounts, and then some, so when I see someone like Angela Davis speaking so fondly and lovingly of Toni and her work... well, do you understand why it’s a struggle to believe that Angela would say such things about the life and work of someone who upheld white supremacy, or white supremacist propaganda? Honestly, it’s just a very far-fetched thing for me to believe... *BUT* I’m not saying that the man who made that video is 100% wrong, or that there’s no foundational black men who share his feeling towards Toni Morrison. I’m saying that I see at least some evidence to the contrary, and that I actually would be interested in hearing a substantial and nuanced critique of her work from one or more of these folks which he spoke of.. For me, given voices like Angela Davis, and Cornel West, and Nikki Giovanni, and others, who seem to be diametrically opposed to that narrative, and who have said things of real substance about Toni Morrison, I’m just saying that I need more than just this passionate, and well, seemingly intentionally inflammatory take from a random fellow on KZbin.. That’s not to put him down, that’s just to say that his voice and the substance of what he was saying about Toni just doesn’t really go up against the substance of what Angela Davis has had to say about Toni.. *But* I’m open to a critique which actually goes deep, speaks with nuance, and supports its claims, if such a thing exists.. but I digress. I hope you find no anger or malice or contempt in my reply to you, bc I assure you there is none there.. You’re just the messenger, though I assume you agree with what the man is saying. I’m interested to hear from you, if you’d be so good to reply, if you have the time. In the meantime, though, I’m gonna assume that this fellow in the link you posted just has some kind of misunderstanding, rather than an actual substantial critique.. 🏴❤️♾

[@therobertspot4840]

@@nikolademitri731 Thanks for your reply and I'll make it short. Cornell West and Angela Davis really don't have support from foundational black america. (And it's not just men by the way). As a general rule black folk who are allowed plenty of main stream media attention don't really tell it as it is from the black perspective. People like Professor Black Truth represent more accurately how real black Americans feel. (His channel of over 50K subscribers was shut down just after he posted his video essay on Toni Morrison). I appreciate that you listened to it but if you want more to hear more about foundational black america there is more here....kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGbadICwj7B2hM0

[@tsmyangel]

Those who thumbed down this video aren’t worthy of your time, trying to figure them out. ATF’s (After Thought Folks).

[@rebeccameek7562]

She is absolutely fantastic. Profound and precise. Beautiful and resonant. He is unworthy of the company, a total tool. Incredible he had a show for so long.

[@xfiler-gl7nc]

This sister came through with an answer that left this man speechless 🙌🏽🙏👏👏.

[@othukeumukoro]

Years later Things Fall Apart is still the most iconic and significant novel in the world. Thank you, Morrison. I love her so much ❤

[@solemandd67]

Ms. Toni Morrison backhands Charlie's false privilege and entitlement pomposity down so succinctly. Rest In Power Ms. Toni Morrison!

[@vee0522]

solemandd67 AGREED

[@johndeagle4389]

What is your opinion of William Ellison?

[@empoweredwoman1021]

solemandd67 false privilege and entitlement pomposity. So true.

[@johndeagle4389]

@@empoweredwoman1021 Boo Hoo.

[@camsmith931]

Solemandd67 -So eloquently said

[@russellsnead3977]

I can tell by the comments who knows the history of these two. These two have major history together. They were great friends. She actually invited Charlie to her Nobel ceremony while they were at dinner. He tossed her the question to let her run with it as he knew she would. Charlie is her friend. They probably had this conversation a hundred times.

[@corypalmer5495]

Yeah no, he's not her friend at all. He's just another white racist. As a black person you will have white people you know but over time you will see they are just as racist as anyone else.

[@garrusn7702]

Cory Palmer You’re racist.

[@zapazap]

*Thank you Russel*

[@zapazap]

@@corypalmer5495 How do you know they do not have a friendship?

[@russellsnead3977]

@@corypalmer5495 I know her work better than you do. She’s my hero. They are great friends. That’s why she said you can tell me if I’m wrong now or later. They spoke so often.

[@jamaalthompson2093]

She was a genius. Rest in Peace and Power!

[@danielemondmusic]

"The glove has to be pulled inside out." pristine, off the cuff poetry in the midst of a flawless argument.

[@valchis3922]

She made so many profound statements in her answer that it saddens me that she had to join him in questioning whether she was 'importing too much into the question'. Clearly, she wasn't.

[@thedarkyellowpages4016]

She was. As an elder of society, she could have been calmer and happier and still express that.

[@reichen609]

@valchis True. "Superior" white_ men/women be *downplaying and gaslighting POCs* for millennia now...and still are today, as _subtly_ exemplified by this other commenter here.

[@mamadytraore5797]

Every black person is told ,yu making too much of it , when something racist happen and there isn't a video

[@eorobinson3]

This woman makes the height of self-awareness, look ignorant.

[@cherylmks]

This woman! This woman! I am so glad and privileged that she lived during my lifetime so that I could be exposed to her work. Just pure genius and insight like no one else. She was a gift to us all.

[@arjunamarc]

“She told them that the only grace they could have was the grace they could imagine; that if they could not see it; they could not have it.” I’ve loved her for years; not just for her writing, but for her. I hold her AS her writing in my heart. She has become her words in me. Charlie Rose seems ignorant to me for different reasons than race; he seems completely humanly oblivious and cavalier in the presence of her mighty mind. What greater accomplishment could there be for any writer than to so absorb their readers through words, words, words that the author becomes dearly loved for having written them? I don’t think of Toni Morrison as an African American or female writer. (I know that’s probably because I’m an OG white man.) I think of her as a literary genius. And that’s it. If I was in Charlie Rose’s chair I would have only been quiet and asked her to “just read, Please. Just read what you’ve written. Let the rest be Silence.” What seems painfully obvious is that Rose never read Beloved. Otherwise he too would be stunned like the rest of us. If he had listened to her read before that interview, if he had read her himself and he still asks such stupid questions then truly his arrogance would have been eclipsing of all suns everywhere. I just can’t believe he truly understood exactly who he was interviewing. I must copy and paste and ask forgiveness for the too long comment to illustrate my point. Her words change me every time. I do love them as her beautiful soul. “She told them that the only grace they could have was the grace they could imagine. That if they could not see it, they would not have it. "Here," she said, "in this here place, we flesh; flesh that weeps, laughs; flesh that dances on bare feet in grass. Love it. Love it hard. Yonder they do not love your flesh. They despise it. They don’t love your eyes; they'd just as soon pick em out. No more do they love the skin on your back. Yonder they flay it. And O my people they do not love your hands. Those they only use, tie, bind, chop off and leave empty. Love your hands! Love them. Raise them up and kiss them. Touch others with them, pat them together, stroke them on your face 'cause they don't love that either. You got to love it, you! And no, they ain't in love with your mouth. Yonder, out there, they will see it broken and break it again. What you say out of it they will not heed. What you scream from it they do not hear. What you put into it to nourish your body they will snatch away and give you leavins instead. No, they don't love your mouth. You got to love it. This is flesh I'm talking about here. Flesh that needs to be loved. Feet that need to rest and to dance; backs that need support; shoulders that need arms, strong arms I'm telling you. And O my people, out yonder, hear me, they do not love your neck unnoosed and straight. So love your neck; put a hand on it, grace it, stroke it and hold it up. And all your inside parts that they'd just as soon slop for hogs, you got to love them. The dark, dark liver--love it, love it, and the beat and beating heart, love that too. More than eyes or feet.More than lungs that have yet to draw free air. More than your life holding womb and your life-giving private parts, hear me now, love your heart. For this is the prize." Saying no more, she stood up then and danced with her twisted hip the rest of what her heart had to say while the others opened heir mouths and gave her the music.” Toni Morrison, Beloved I know the breaking of the sacred hoop has come for the white man. I feel it. All white men feel it. If they don’t they’re stupid. The diaspora came for the Jew in the first century. Came for the African starting in the 14th. Came for all indigenous people everywhere along that time too. And now it’s here for us. Ironically, however, I feel the hatred coming from young white women more than I ever have from any person of color. In fact, I’ve never felt any hatred coming from any person of color just because I’m white. That’s just never happens to me. And I grew up in Joplin, Missouri in “East Town” just off what is now called Langston Hughes Boulevard. I’m sorry for all the sins of the white race upon all others. I truly am. But Charlie Rose does not represent me any more than Mr. Farrakhan does. I’m just a reader who loves an author like the sun, like the beautiful ever life-giving sun.

[@shinealways9716]

Legitimately overwrought but wonderfully observed.

[@8010150908086]

Oh wow, thanks ...

[@garrusn7702]

Disgusting self hatred.

[@LKH98]

What an idiot I guess chickens do come home to roost 😂😁😮

[@Terrapin22]

Imagine being that good at something and getting asked dumb ass questions like that. It takes a lot of grace to respond the way she does here.

[@peeveandtoonces]

That was an unbelievably gracious response.

[@spiritual619]

Thank you for helping me understand the unimportance of the "white gaze". It changed my life.

[@tobecontinued6263]

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[@MaxPowers2.0]

I LOVE how she puts it that the African writers were able to "assume the centrality of their identify because they were African." Ive long believed that one of the greatest ails of American blacks is that we lack a strong centralized identity. Modern black culture is an amalgam of what bits and pieces we have been able to salvage of our indigenous cultures, whats been forced upon us, and that which we've borrowed from surrounding mostly white cultures.

[@jamaalshelton6793]

Yet we are the most successful in the Black diaspora

[@soulscanner66]

That diversity isn't a problem. It's a strength. There's also no such thing as a white culture. That's a racist concept designed to put black people on the bottom. Thinking that way just reinforces that national stratification and damages the country.

[@MaxPowers2.0]

@@jamaalshelton6793 are we, African immigrants in America occupy the highest categories of performance last i checked

[@MaxPowers2.0]

@@soulscanner66 i disagree, so if Irish and scottish immagrants come to America and set up towns filled with their own people is that not a white culture? Do people not complain when white people wear traditionally black hairstyles, or play traditionally black music? Are they not borrowing from black culture? Whats the difference?

[@soulscanner66]

@@MaxPowers2.0 In America, the idea black and white races was invented to justify keeping blacks as slaves and as an underclass. So calling it white perpetuates that idea. It's racist by definition.

[@coralday2009]

This lady has such grace and control.

[@ptknudson80]

He can't seem to deal with Morrison. She's too far above his pay grade.

[@yankee2666]

Actually she's way beneath it. Why this woman was ever put on a pedastal I'll never know.

[@spaceghost8995]

@@yankee2666 You are correct. You will never know because you don't WANT to know.

[@TonkaJay]

I love how calm she is, seeing how frustrated she is over the question. It was insulting.

[@curtismajor5253]

"The glove has to be pulled inside out." I first fell in love since The Bluest Eyes. You inspired me to read and lose myself in this world at a very young age. RIP Ms. Chloe Wofford

[@johnavery5384]

An elegant and thoughtful answer to a "simple" question. I think it shows how we all see things through the lens of our own experience, what you hear is not what was said. Trust the tale not the teller.

[@lindat5784]

the reason i started writing was my profound admiration of strong women, pioneer women especially which have all but been ignored in our history books. i gathered real stories from their grand and great grandchildren about them. i was mesmerized by their stories and wanted to share them. i was an exceptionally shy child of horrific abuse and these women taught me i could win above all i experienced. one friend ask me, why do you only ( at the time ) write about women? there are so many stories to tell.? i answered because i admire them and enjoy their stories, and i want to tell them to the world who doesn't know them. that is the inspiration to share them. eventually i wrote about other stories, but i have not lost my admiration and story sharing of ones i learn about even today

[@SuperBookdragon]

Oh Toni thanks for schooling Charlie. And in such a intelligent, clear eyed and assertive way.

[@tommym7321]

The way she describes this is how people should actually look at it. Today, half the stuff she said would be considered "problematic". She doesn't put the restraint on herself or any other writer to be dedicated to writing about their own race, to her it's about the experience (and the experience of every other author she mentioned). Today we feel like we have to shoehorn every race into every piece of media, even if it's not the creators vision. People should be able to create/write/film anything they want to without outside pressure to adhere to whats politically/culturally "okay" at the time.

[@sii9423]

At 2:11 "What else could it be Charlie?" softly silencing him lmao

[@salmanalkhaledi6473]

Wow. She's so articulate and sophisticated... Amazing calming presence.

[@taurtue]

She is so spot on, and is able to formulate her point is such a gentle manner. I'm impressed by her charisma. I'm just feeling a bit sad a lot of the people in the comments see her answer as a pass to make racist generalizations about white people. This is not how we will spread peace, and I don't think at all it is her message.

[@graffiticreative7649]

Dear Toni's writing and message and storyline had nothing to do with building bridges with white people and making you all feel confident and comfortable. Whats further telling is y'all's collective need to mind black people's business and tell us about our culture and what to do.

[@kishae6137]

That was such a graceful, poised, and powerful response. I consumed every word. Thank you for sharing this interview.

[@stacyescobedo1642]

The spirit of a mentor. Incredible patience, thorough explanation, admirable confidence paired with appropriate humility.

[@rbaraka1]

She handled him with such grace and intelligence and surprisingly, he seemed to learn something by the end!

[@rjmoney9]

Spot on! I think he seemed to learn something specifically because of that graceful intelligence you mention. Ms Morrison took her time with the question, didn’t come off as overly aggressive (without shying away from stating her thoughts), she was patient, she spoke so eloquently. That’s how you really communicate with someone from a different background effectively. Forcefully diplomatic, intensely intellectual... To me this was a truly genius example of how to create a bridge through the use of one’s dialect. It is something to behold.

[@jeanwilliams6623]

Yes was intelligent but why do I feel the question asked could not be answered because the ism is a different connotation and perspective. Some today still cannot handle the candid conversations and we still wonder does anyone really care even when we are asked to speak and have cultural group questions about diversity and inclusion in workplaces or meetings! But I Agee with Ms Morrison she should and did write as she pleased and unapologetically! Eloquent and super smart cookie; God bless her, also, Mr Charlie did a fantastic interview as well !

[@jeanwilliams6623]

@@rjmoney9 Yes, you are so correct. Cultural background difference require an intellectual diplomacy that must be Mastered in order to have these critical and important conversations. It’s an art form of conversation from a place of purity, respect with eloquence and charisma! And Mr Rose was also a gentle charismatic interviewer. Congrats’ to both.❤

[@omggiiirl2077]

Always so stuck on themselves, it's just exhausting dealing with thier head issues constantly. When we humor them and answer the question, then they try and act snide, or deflect, or do some other weird shit like act innocent and afraid, or oblivious. They really tire me.

[@omggiiirl2077]

@N S pranam! I have some very ancient Indian ancestry, both indigenous American, and East Indian Ancestry.

[@omggiiirl2077]

@Goka Gola if you have ever interacted with any person who likes "hit and then hide thier hands" and then act as if they're the innocent victim, you will understand exactly what I am getting at. It doesn't take a genius to to perceive when a person is being fake or acting as if they dont know, or acting pompous or arrogant, or faking being afraid when there is nothing to fear. This is the reality that we as African Americans deal with every day its exhausting. Even explaining it to you is exhausting because I know you have seen the proof yet you question it. A man was shot in his own home, yet the murderess acted as if she was confused, and didntvrealuze she was on the wrong floor, even though she is a police officer, and is trained to be alert, and there are signs everywhere telling her she was on the wrong floor. She even saw a red doormat in front of the victims apartment but is acting like she did not know. There is also proof that wasn't admitted in court that she knew the victim, by way of a photo of her with her arm over his shoulder. But she acts like the victim, and feigns confusion, and says she was afraid, even though the victim rest his soul was in his own home eating ice cream on his couch. I dont need to give you justification, because I experience it EVERYDAY. The fear that someone could just call the cops on me for just walking down the street and the co po s could just shoot me. I could be shopping and be accused of shoplifting falsely and be assaulted and even killed and have the whole thing covered up without any hope of justice. I could be sitting IN MY HOUSE. And I could be raided because the cops got the wrong house, and I or my family could be shot. And now even a welfare check could be deadly, I'm disabled, and I might need one in the future. I'm scared I could be killed because the cop sees a Black Woman and decides I'm dangerous and shoots. I this country no one has that type of connotation, just us. We could be just walking through the neighborhood in choir clothes and someone would call the cops on us. And sadly its happening to white folk as well but do you guys care? HELL NO. Do you guys ever try and understand why we feel the way we feel? NOPE. And you have the nerve to ask for justification?? The history of this country up to this second is justification. Your fucking question is justification.

[@omggiiirl2077]

@Goka Gola and your little gun thumb nail wow says a lot.

[@omggiiirl2077]

@Goka Gola why did you erase your comment? Go ahead show the world exactly what I'm getting at.

[@omggiiirl2077]

@Goka Gola yep you said it....."white people's lack of empathy"....

[@actblessed74]

Here for Toni Morrison in 2019!!

[@Playeszz]

I'm in AWE of this literary titan!! Her answer was a lecture on it's own!!! R.I.P beloved Ms. Morrison.

[@ClarityDetermination]

A lovely, deep, intense, knowledgeable , skilled and important person to our history.

[@theprettycommittee_4750]

She’s giving me “Oracle from The Matrix” vibes 💕 Plus this was held on my sister’s birthday

[@alishagadson9524]

Toni Morrison is Magnificent! I have loved all of her novels! Cannon at its best!

[@tobecontinued6263]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHfCg2yef9aHirc

[@keithklassen5320]

I love how uneasily he backpedals when she puts him on the spot, "well, I didn't ask the question, but"...

[@Ms.Billie1234]

right! after accusing her of "importing too much into the question" -- but like you said, YOU didn't ask the question Massa, i mean Mr. Charlie, so how can u accuse her of reading too much into it?? you just tripped yourSELF up. ~ b.

[@dionwalker2667]

No Toni, you're not wrong, you write what you feel, that's why we love your literature.❤

[@laniebug7265]

8 years later and we all know Charlie Rose doesn’t hold a candle to Ms. Morrison.

[@justinesportsmedicine]

At one time or another we've all seen behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz in life but what makes Toni Morrison transcendent is Toni not only comprehends how things work behind the curtain, but Toni Morrison masterfully and memorably articulates that which most only know as a feeling. Her grace uplifts many and others she frightens to death.

[@jgq2881]

Well said.

[@renrichmad]

If we take the racial sentiment out of it, it's like asking Pablo Picasso why he didn't use clay to convey his talent instead of paint. It is not the medium that he used to articulate his artistry. Duh! How audacious for someone to ask someone so profound and intelligent as Toni Morrison. I'm glad she was able to maintain her composure - I'm still learning.

[@ss-kw1kk]

Perfect example!

[@zapazap]

I would be happy to ask a painter their thoughts about composing in different media.

[@ss-kw1kk]

Bryan Hann That response really exposed your lack of awareness on the depth and nuances of race

[@zapazap]

@@ss-kw1kk Strange. My comment never referred to race. It referred to painting *per se*. Where, pray tell, did you learn the art of eisegesis? . That is not a rhetorical question. What say you?

[@oldslowcoach]

First off, Picasso was a sculptor. It's more like asking Picasso why he didn't go back to doing more Modernist or Classical works...

[@roland6479]

She mentioned the novel 'Things fall apart' by Chinua Achebe. One of my best read.

[@lunalea1250]

Same! How about Chimamanda Ngozi Adechie, Bernardine Evaristo, Brian Chikwava, Jamaica Kincaid, Marlon James, Alex Wheatle, all excellent Authors?! 👀📚

[@starsareangels]

Chinua

[@tasafarrah7444]

She is so incredibly beautiful to look at then she opens her mouth and I am entranced, captivated ensnared. My first literary crush. Thank you Madame, for such an awesome body of work.❤

[@tobecontinued6263]

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[@OpeningsOpenings]

…”Reading too much into my the question” !!!! Are you kidding me I am so tired of the people who try to downplay racism and the sociology She did not blow it out of proportion- at all.

[@JUNGLEsausage]

People, this isn't a debate; it's an interview. He provoked an answer out of her, which is something he does well.

[@krollpeter]

I concur. Still, I got to say there are so many black people whom's patience to explain again seems endless.

[@tww1671]

The white gaze

[@fatimajames123]

This is the word I've been looking for, especially when you are amazing and articulate. White people looks at you with there gazing eyes. Lol!!

[@tww1671]

​@@fatimajames123 It's a distinctive look. It's like they're instantly feeling overwhelmed, uncomfortable, threatened and skeptical.

[@navyjohnes]

Exactly - - the white gaze. Or, I didn't know you could dot-dot-dot well what did you think ???? with a strong return gaze ... Toni Morrison eloquently destroyed the gaze by spitting knowledge in his ear and eye simultaneously. Let's see him correctly extrapolate- - reiterate --and scrawl..... This powerful interview will live in dude's head foreeeevvvrrrr....

[@corazoncubano5372]

The "white gaze" and the "male gaze" two different concepts with similar intentions. The male gaze revolves around patriarchy and sexism where as the white revlove around whites and racism.

[@oldslowcoach]

ignorant gaze, transcends skin color...