James Baldwin and Paul Weiss's HEATED Debate On Discrimination in America | The Dick Cavett Show

[@TheDickCavettShow]

Which side do you agree with?

[@mkadoza]

James Baldwin has lived a life of being lied to. And he had to confront white people who wanted to rewrite his truth. Of course I agree with James.

[@TheBornnaked]

What a terrible question that discredits the entire usefulness of the dick cavett show. It’s not about who you agree with, it’s that two serious people with differing opinions can debate each other in a civil manner. They pretty much take turns being right. They each have valid points and they each have weak counter arguments to the others valid point.

[@TheBornnaked]

@Nick West no one knows how to debate anymore, they just argue.

[@1Skyscraper0]

@@TheBornnaked While of course what you say about what a debate should be defined as is true, nothing Weiss said is right so it's much easier to look at this as the ignorant being enlightened through questions. This is closer to a Socratic seminar where the one asking questions is completely clueless about the subject at hand and has only seen the world through his own interpretation.

[@mikesmollin2043]

All of Paul Weiss's arguments sound exactly like Jordan Peterson today, this did not age well for him considering that pretty much nothing has changed or improved from his time, yet what he is saying would mean that things would have improved a lot more 40+ years later

[@AliveBoldTV]

James Baldwin is a walking Masterclass in how to stay regulated and present in a challenging and polarizing conversation.

[@brielleanyez7113]

I know your comment was a year ago, but absolutely beautifully said❤

[@jasonparker7977]

​@@brielleanyez7113I'm sure you will agree the aforementioned comment could have been written decades ago but it is still a testament to Baldwin using his talents for the greater good for everyone on this planet we all share. Thank God for people like him.

[@bardsamok9221]

He was facing an extremely well educated and erudite opponent, yet still presented a winning, provocative argument with courage and style.

[@alanito67]

Maybe because he was taught from a child that he had to stay regulated when talking to white people if he wanted to stay alive.

[@m.patsyfauntleroy9645]

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[@nlsantiesteban]

What kills me is that Paul Weiss is using the same arguments I read every day in the comment sections of KZbin.

[@viviansmith8279]

Talking points. Same as 45

[@GameheadTalks]

they've been using that talking point for forever. its called exceptionalism.

[@ruhap9311]

@mastadon8215 Baldwin is an amazing communicator he's talking about the problem without being the angry victim that the media pushes today..

[@alexraymond5572]

times change. grow up

[@KAliDAk1D]

And they wonder why we call them racist

[@vic7939]

"I don't know what most white people feel, but I can include what they feel by their institutions". This sentence alone is just truly an amazing statement.

[@VashTheDamnFiend]

It’s an amazing show of racist ignorance from a truly brilliant man.

[@vic7939]

@@VashTheDamnFiend I don't know if Weiss is a racist or not. He didn't addressed what Baldwin wanted to convey, he was hiding the problem under the rug. Weiss said he looked Baldwin as an author and everything else was "a condition, a problem, created by beagots" that Baldwin, as a intellectual Black man should dismiss all the atrocities done to the black community. The point is, Weiss was out of his league, thus the Baldwin frustration. His final remark telling why he left the country and the distance/segregation between black and white was spot on.

[@deadinternet66]

It really cuts to the heart of the matter and really destroyed Weiss' arguments. The follow up of "This is the evidence, you want me to make an act of faith, risking my life, my woman, my sisters, my children, on some idealism which you assure me which exists in America, that I have never seen" Is one of the best arguments detailing the modern african american experience.

[@dpeasehead]

@@vic7939 At best he was a typical enabler, the kind who opposes change and justice because there isn't a problem. All systems of oppression need enablers and apologists in order to function. They are the ones who normalize oppression by downplaying it and claiming that the oppressed are over reacting..

[@moormanjean5636]

He says conclude I believe

[@shakkamusa2366]

I firmly believe that James Baldwin was an intellectual giant with a grasp on himself, his people and the world around him that no one else can comprehend; hence, he can win any argument with anyone. I am in awe of his intelligence.

[@harrietjohnson1930]

Let us love ourselves and our people and learn to courageously speak our truth.

[@lawrencebolt3540]

His ability to empathically listen to any argument was his most powerful skill in my opinion.

[@jasonbriggs1853]

I agree, to hear James Baldwin speak is truly a magical experience. There is an intelligence and emotional sincerity in his voice that is truly unmatched.

[@jeffryhammel3035]

I really believe that Baldwin would've been a fine American President, but those are past dreams.

[@jeffryhammel3035]

​@@lawrencebolt3540Exactly. The man KNEW that he had to go along, THEN make his points.

[@seaweedseaside5905]

This is like a guy who was born a billionaire explaining to a man born in the slums that personal circumstances play no part in socioeconomic success.

[@gauloise6442]

He was born to poor working lass Jewish parents.

[@Spoketlabolina]

á la: "The Secret" visualize to materialize. namaste.

[@Bittah1daer]

@Stephen Carter please explain

[@Bittah1daer]

@Stephen Carter I think what Weiss and you seem to misunderstand is that Baldwin is a writer, yes but Baldwin is a BLACK writer so he has to worry about being BLACK first

[@wildfire9280]

​@Stephen Carter Conservative mental gymnastics = Olympic level mental gymnastics

[@uraharasshop3547]

There’s a difference between listening to learn a different opinion and listening to respond

[@billywade7794]

I've been looking for a way to say that. Thank you so much. Exactly the way I think. Listen to learn not to wait to respond.

[@michaelgeorge595]

Weiss seems very insecure and needy.

[@justinfreeman4614]

Paul Weiss demonstrates that concept perfectly

[@MsMecaOkayyy]

@Torre Person Paul Weiss' "responses" was refuting what James Baldwin's experiences were and the systematic "isms" set in place...Which James Baldwin so eloquently summerized towards the end of this video. Paul Weiss was responding to what James Baldwin was sharing and speaking of each time...Paul Weiss wasn't learning anything from what James Baldwin was saying...As far as I'm concerned, what Baldwin spoke of was hogwash to Weiss... Having a difference of opinion is one thing...However, when one totally disregards, disputes, refutes what's been someone's life experiences ect one learns nothing...Ignorance comes into play... Bottom line is, one can agree to disagree without having to refute what's being said...Having an open mind in wanting to learn, to know and overstand can get a person to this place... With that being said, we (you and I) can agree to disagree...

[@viviansmith8279]

@Torre Person The learn part comes First.

[@Neighborhood-Black-Guy]

When I watch these debates I notice a trend: the one debating against a black figure tends to sweep the issue under the rug or make it less of an issue and it isn't discussing the issue it's sidestepping the issue.

[@hennahoney]

Always

[@teresaamanfu7408]

Wiess was extremely dismissive and thus showed his ignorance.

[@rosevanguard]

Right on.

[@deelightful9730]

Just like they do today...especially most reporters on Fox News

[@Spoketlabolina]

Yeah and when u realize the talking points of privelege by either not realizing or minimizing the issue its easy to see and spot in other systemic issues surrounding class, sex, gender, functionality and so on. Hopefuly if we see it when we are a part of the marginalized group, we can try to check ourselves and our stance when were not.

[@clinicalpsychology9598]

Baldwin's patience & his willingness to not interrupt him is that alone testament to his greatness. He personified his intelligence. Class act!

[@billycarr1254]

That AND...Weiss was being an ass!

[@M0053yfate]

Especially when Weiss can't stop talking, or interrupting, for longer than 20 seconds. It's less of a debate and more of an adult trying to explain something to a teenager.

[@TommyBeaux]

Paul Weiss is lecturing, not debating. He asks questions he doesn’t want to hear answers to.

[@TheT151]

Exactly he doesn't want to be taught the truth he wants to do the it's not a racially motivated nation

[@babyblueLEGEND]

@@TheT151 I believe that weis is white. White people do not "learn" about racism from non-white people. White people are the experts on racism. Learning it , teaching it, and practicing it. Non- white/black people should be studying white people to learn the ways that racist practice racism/white supremacy. I believe we are witnessing weis practice racist again Mr. Baldwin.

[@stevencoardvenice]

He's not too bright. Glad I didnt have any professors this dense in college

[@babyblueLEGEND]

@smith lovy By my definition racism and white supremacy are one and the same. The definition also describes a problem that is not localized to this country, its global. When you say "jewish" do you mean "not white"? Are you describing a variety/subset of white?

[@babyblueLEGEND]

@smith lovy You just attempted to tell me what MY definition is and you defined a word with that same word. Interesting. Thank you for your time.

[@katpablo]

"My history in this country begins with a bill of sale." I have never seen any footage of Baldwin where I wasn't totally blown away by his incredible mind and his use of language.

[@cognitionup5211]

Me too! Genius✅

[@kessler88]

Incredibly eloquent indeed.

[@woodwyrm]

well does, I mean literally, Mr.Baldwin s history in the United States of America begin with him being sold as chattel?

[@jeremycampbell175]

Agreed, and this was A very deep statement that paved the way for his agruement

[@mattdoherty6216]

Absolutely.

[@jaiewanika8227]

This man had grace while talking to someone who denied his oppression and minimized him and his peoples' struggles all while still being segregated. I mean wow

[@pamelamacneil1331]

Yeah, I agree. He's also so brilliant. In the the end he took what that man had said about dealing with racism and encapsulated it for him in all walks of life and explained what he as a black man experienced, which had nothing to do with pseudo idealism that Weiss talked about as if it was real.

[@willaragon6508]

Yes

[@nelsongonzalez3352]

@@pamelamacneil1331 n

[@sagenunez8899]

Individuality is the only real prescription to affect any real change in one's life; knowing one's personal history and other historical atrocities are critically important but ultimately will not yield feasible solutions. The conversation shouldn't be about whether or not humans have had the historic capacity to do awful things but what practical changes good people can do, in a less threatening environment, for themselves (in hopes of better affecting others), despite ethic background or whatever label you want to give an obstacle.

[@solidaritytime3650]

Practice makes perfect

[@marilynmonheaux]

The thing that gets me is the gaslighting. They love pretending like it’s a figment of our imagination when it’s so demonstrably and quantifiably clear.

[@brayden3822]

‘they’ is a very dangerous word in this context, i’d avoid that if i were you.

[@zucherro]

@@brayden3822 Every word isdangerous online lmfao who tf cares. just say what you want to say

[@KingofJuda96]

Because the racist elites don't won't black people too understand or know the truth about themselves and get mad when you talk about their people aka white people

[@FredoDaFigga]

@@brayden3822ain’t no way you just said that🤣 i might be living under a rock if somebody gets offended by “they”😭

[@jarellebadger3842]

White people then@@brayden3822

[@Twilightmagi]

Baldwin straight up slapping him with the truth at the end there. He was such an eloquent speaker.

[@anthonyoer4778]

Would it make you feel better if Thomas Sowell told him life isn't fair and to succeed you mist overcome?

[@Wiggy321]

@@anthonyoer4778 replacing the messenger doesn't change facts that white supremacy isn't just a life occurrence.

[@anthonyoer4778]

@@Wiggy321 how far removed from A victim does someone need to be to be innocent? Most US states began abolishing slavery after the revolutionary war. The only systemic racism were in democrat states.

[@anthonyoer4778]

@@Wiggy321 did you know 40% of BLM fundraising goes to the DNC? the same party of the KKK? the same party of Jim Crow laws?

[@Wiggy321]

@@anthonyoer4778 you mean Dixicrats. Any of them alive today or in government presently? History also tells us the modern republican party was once the democratic party.

[@stevendunn2501]

James Baldwin is one of the most profound thinkers America has ever had the privilege of producing.

[@charlesjonesjr1262]

America did not deserve Baldwin.

[@cornellhartfield8731]

@@charlesjonesjr1262 Absolutely

[@JuanHernandez-vv4sl]

Tu hermana kklo9oo te ulmmklk

[@Ghostyboii101]

@Stephen Carter 🤣 stay mad

[@Gackts665]

Not really he's just oblivious towards just racism, extremists. If you want to prevail and make a difference in the black community you have to be well educated

[@YushaR2905]

"I don't know how white people feel..but I must choose to know how they feel through their institutions." James Baldwin

[@Darkyahweh]

Good to know he was racist. It was never a "white institution" it was a success based institution. To apply whiteness to something that has been emphatically harmful to white people is preposterous by its own very notion.

[@GeneralLocooo]

@@Darkyahweh Jim Crow, a result of brainwashing young white children after the Civil War by the Daughters of the Confederacy, was the biggest testament to how much “white institutions” despised their African American neighbors after slavery ended.

[@Darkyahweh]

@@GeneralLocooo Incorrect... Jim Crow was a result of EQUAL BRAINWASHING of both young white AND black children... it was a neutral institution... and no malice was the result... you are making falsehoods out of liberal talking points of the 60's which was put into books by liberal institutions and arguable as by proof today by the laws being removed and segregation still happening, one could argue that the black community is inherently more racist than the white community as one community is more willing to accept the other as proven by stats. So although the people in charge might be white the institution is truly a black institution ran by white people who would pick a black doll over a white doll if you did the doll experiment to them which can be proven by the political movements as they now explicitly only target and hate white people, specifically white cis men.

[@PunkRockBuddha]

@@Darkyahweh that’s a lot of conjecture with no empirical evidence.

[@Darkyahweh]

@Noah_Beaty oh really? Please tell me, where did ALL crypto currencies for the past decade say "you can't buy me because of your skin color" ... yet TODAY they still make the SAME CLAIM... the TRUTH is that when one person fails they look for an excuse and if they are racist which he was, they blame the other race.

[@bs.music.kyi9]

The fact that Baldwin keeps his composure while trying to explain to this ignorant and angry man, knowing he cannot properly convey his point to someone as blind as him, is something most of us could never do.

[@spactick]

ignorant man? what gave you that impression? he's stating what he (himself) feels not what Baldwin's feels. Baldwin kinda contradicts himself somewhat because he's the absolute opposite of what he claims to be, a successful writer and not a victim or loser

[@plasticweapon]

@@spactick preach.

[@fifthbusiness1678]

With respect - and I’m certainly not agreeing with him here - Paul Weiss was not an ignorant man.

[@Ace-gi4bp]

Paul Weiss is every bit the " liberal but racially conservative white" that's onstensibly making comments such as yours. Much like the other "cheek of your ass", seems you haven't aged a bit.

[@weaponofthepeopleword-of-g7567]

@@spactick Weiss was ignorant on the topic of what Baldwin and his people were going through. The idea that Baldwin's people should just stop talking about race and their problems would go away is profoundly ignorant, and parroted by fools like Morgan Freeman today. Also ignorant is the idea that race wasn't an issue because Baldwin-himself an outlier-had achieved a limited degree of success in a society slanted against his ethnic group.

[@MerlinZuni]

That was a powerful ending. Do not accept the will for the deed. Your actions are your morals, not what you tell yourself or others. Thank you Mr. Baldwin.

[@thomasizaguirre600]

Part of the seduction of the magical thinking that passes for civic pride in this country is that the mere theoretical high-mindedness of its ideals are somehow sufficient to erase the effects of centuries of human calumny that went before and that we are, merely because of that espousal, righteous and honorable already with no heavy lifting required.

[@donnavorce8856]

Damn straight

[@SpringerA1984]

AAAALLLL OF THIS!!!!

[@rubenhdezdiaz]

That ending got Paul Weiss silent. The truth hurts.

[@bpalpha]

Your actions are not your morals when your hands are bound. Also, should someone be undereducated do to, say racism, that is not their moral failure.

[@darrellmcclain5697]

Paul is basically just saying oh because you're successful that means your history is irrelevant. Paul is saying because some people made it no one should complain.

[@leekarfear9677]

Agreed. Although I believe Paul argument holds more truth today than it did in the time of this recording due to the decrease number of systemic racism institutions ,if any at all. Today a man of color can succeed in becoming a “man” (successful) without having to faced by barriers of racist institutions.

[@CarolinaDoc]

@@leekarfear9677 I agree that the barriers are tilted a little more than they were were during the debate they had then. But and I say without pause that we are very conscious they still don't lay flat for us.

[@TheBarbahaba]

@@CarolinaDoc and the danger from certain institutions may still pose a deadly threat ,,

[@jmp01a24]

Its the typical capitalist reply Paul is giving. "Look at you, making it out of the ghetto, it proves it can be done". Imagine if he was talking to a holocaust victim that managed to escape: "Look, you managed to escape from the concentration camp, which proves the rest didn't bother to get out, knowing you did it, so could they have done - if they wanted to".

[@Callmeasliceofpizza]

We still live in a society full of racist institutions. What year did we dismantle the system of white supremacy?

[@portaccio]

So sad this exact conversation is happening 50 years later.

[@Wormuloid4157]

Just nowhere near as eloquently.

[@mimIsra1]

@Michael Oberg people like you is why we are still having the same discussion and still dealing with racists assholes like you.

[@fredleeland2464]

Not sad at all, this convo should happen everyday with people

[@vogelvogeltje]

@@mimIsra1 oh god i dont want to know what this guy said lol

[@Iloveswedes]

Tells you exactly why the state of white institutions matters.... because institutions maintain how things go more than any one individual can. People die and are born, and most of their lessons are passed down through institutions, not just family and neighborhood.

[@johnko2455]

I attended University of Hawaii at Manoa. One of my humanities professors was African American, and she was telling us about how, for a few years, she moved to Paris, France. She told us about how in France, she was free of all the prejudice that she had become accustomed to while living in the U.S.

[@isartoraplatz]

And this is true I also was In France and treated With dignity, nothing like living in the Americas…

[@lalouloune6156]

Lol, I live in France as a French black woman and it's not my experience.

[@wisconsinlonnie4143]

She was laying up with cavemen & thought it was nonexistent.

[@phylliskumi4355]

The funny thing is that at that time, as is now, the French were terrible to other Black ppl. That is how this racism messes with our heads. Supposedly favour one group over another.

[@leila4509]

Paul Weiss is acting like child here swinging around in his chair with his arms folded, shaking his head, interrupting him and simply refusing _to at least try_ understand his perspective. What a powerful ending.

[@priequaye7480]

you’re so right, the body language is so telling

[@TheDistrict644]

Baldwin had him squirming. As i said, Weiss did his best to break him to no avail.

[@ephraimcamacho9600]

Paul doesn't have a clue what's it is like to be a back person like many other white people. You are speaking to deaf ears. It's like telling Satan to be understanding and good. That's never going to happen. It's like spitting against the win when you try to ask them to see your problems they caused. Only God Almighty can fix this injustice and He will.

[@wendyschneider4490]

So so disrespectful.

[@steffonbarnett7221]

Baldwin when in on the Dr!!!!!!

[@meadowcrosby5444]

It is amazing that he has the capacity to take such ignorance without rage or tears talking about such intimate truths only to have a white audience clap for Weiss. I clapped for you Jimmy alone in this room. I was so very moved thank you for your voice and your black power.

[@ARichardP]

Yeah, that had to be difficult. Amazing. And a good example.

[@solidaritytime3650]

By the end, notice that he won them over.

[@mclohan]

They were definitely clapping for him the more he spoke.

[@eileenprocter3086]

Paul Weiss had clearly not learned the difference between an argument and a harangue. Disgraceful behaviour from a supposedly educated man. Painful to watch. James Baldwin was in a class of his own.

[@gardensofthegods]

@@mclohan Yes they were clapping for him the more he spoke because he was speaking logically and from the heart but with no rage . He showed class and finesse . Hope people will learn from him . Like a true writer Baldwin was eloquent .

[@mpcc2022]

I don't know if anyone has won a debate against James Baldwin.

[@leonardu6094]

You should go look at his debate with William F buckely lol

[@mpcc2022]

@@leonardu6094 I've seen it. My impression was that Buckley lost that one. Buckley didn't fare well against Baldwin, Chomsky, or Vidal. In terms of Baldwin, I've seen his debate with Malcolm X as well and again I think Baldwin won that one. I'm waiting to see a video or hear some audio where James Baldwin was not the more thorough thinker.

[@leonardu6094]

@@mpcc2022 I'll watch the debate with Malcolm X. I wasn't even aware there was one. what was the topic on?

[@mmlas8683]

leonard u Baldwin crushed Buckley, this is widely accepted. You must be the only one who thinks otherwise.

[@leonardu6094]

@@mmlas8683 "This is widely accepted" lol

[@davidnorthmore8326]

"You are asking me to take the will before deed" just one of many brilliant lines for a truly great man

[@heybeautifulfaces]

Paul Weiss trying to gaslight the wrong person.

[@lonnie008]

lol gaslighting at its finest

[@BlowsTube]

Soooo true. This video should be linked to explain gaslighting. Of course those responsible for doing it wouldn’t notice.

[@HomeroTV95]

It’s like the classical example of gaslighting. So true.

[@mshill2406]

Yes Baldwin's face said it all 😂

[@ramyadav9102]

@@mshill2406 burnt ass huh?

[@jubsjobs90]

James absolutely dropped gems on this man and this man misunderstood him at almost every point.

[@timprescott4634]

He misunderstood nothing. He simply didn’t agree with Mr. Baldwin.

[@ArthurKnight1899]

@@timprescott4634 agree or not, truth is always self evident, if you cant agree on facts and evidence then you might as well believe world is flat and moon is made of cheese

[@GlitzPixie]

he was willfully obtuse because being open-minded towards Baldwin's position meant challenging his entire worldview

[@ja6975]

Cause he was seeing everything through his bullshit

[@tylerhendrickson8321]

Tim Prescott hey Tim, he seemed to misunderstand Baldwin’s point that a specific group of people (black in America) are fearful of physical harm, and prejudice by saying that all people face challenges and it’s up to each person individually to solve them by going on the journey of becoming a man.

[@hlratliff5025]

"You want me to make an act of faith, risking my life... on some idealism which you assure me exists in America, but I have never seen." Preach, Brother Baldwin. PREACH!👏🏾

[@canwetalk1790]

That statement was absolutely brilliant. It was a drop the mic moment and it shut Weiss up who had to reluctantly agree

[@cognitionup5211]

And still not seen to this day!!

[@TheSaintlo]

Educate them brother Baldwin. I wish you were still alive today.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

He was really a detriment to so many people and their world views.

[@hughdismuke4703]

I totally caught that at the end. Silence was the answer. It means they had to really think about what he was saying, because what he was saying had no comeback.

[@CadeCYC]

Blown away by his calm respect, his courtesy & above all his pure articulation of personal truth.

[@davgar4241]

Weiss appeared to be arrogant, and wanted Baldwin to be gullible. Good job Baldwin

[@calvinharrison21]

You are right Dav , so right !!!

[@MrItsme2012]

“My history begins with a bill of sale” - James Baldwin

[@codyhumble7855]

blame that on the culture he came from not doing a well-enough job of record keeping. the romans, greeks, persians, arabs, chinese, and japanese did that just fine. Why do people blame white people for the failures of a culture the Europeans (at most) exploited? It isn't the europeans that manufactured the selling of africans. They purchased africans who had already been captured by other africans.

[@_KITE]

cody humble that slavery in Africa predates the arrival of Europeans is not entirely relevant or even unique-in fact, the whole practice was rather incurious. After all, ancient Greeks in the Mediterranean and Peloponnesus took slaves as prisoners of war all the time. Creditors did the same when borrowers could not repay their debts. The economic practice of serfdom or the political concept of vassal states is simply a variation on the idea of enslavement. The problem is the unique tragedy that befell the black man as a result of his enslavement. After being exported to a foreign land and being denied any sort of meaningful rights, even hundreds of years after his initial enslavement, generations of his descendants have had to bear the price of being born into bondage. The problem isn’t pre-modern book-keeping practices. The issue is that institutional and systematized racism makes it very difficult for black Americans to stay afloat, let alone get ahead in this country.

[@oladman9058]

@@codyhumble7855 you argument is childish and not only indefensible but also self-serving, and not entirely unexpected.

[@kurtrobertson495]

The best line I ever heard

[@owiz9212]

@@codyhumble7855 Jesus Cody, you really are an idiot, aren't you?

[@pocojoyo]

YOU CAN BE A YALE PROFESSOR AND BE OBTUSE

[@anthonyoer4778]

Would it make you feel better if Thomas Sowell told him life isn't fair and to succeed you mist overcome

[@anthonyoer4778]

@Men In Black how was Baldwin a racist?

[@malvolio01]

@Men In Black How is Weiss racist?

[@Roxberrie]

This is the beauty of these discussions. It exposes the raw truth. However, in today's cancel culture these discussions aren't possible.

[@malvolio01]

@DROPKICK Chester In what way(s) do you think Weiss isn't decent or empathic?

[@LaLasta]

james baldwin is a gift to humanity

[@TomRivieremusic]

"The problem with speaking truth to power is that it still just leaves you with the truth and them with the power." - Richard Wolf

[@DNAAS3]

Truth is power

[@marthaalexander7362]

@Tom Reviere Wow! Now that is the truth!

[@normbatchelor7403]

Power is afraid of the truth.

[@vonneal1]

Damn..

[@frankdixon4112]

@@DNAAS3 Real truth is power. John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

[@Nava5ha7]

I have rarely seen a man so full of himself as Paul Weiss. Every statement he made was followed by a smugness that was palpable. That's why Baldwin kept getting more forceful, with every brilliant point he made, in order to cut through that arrogance.

[@jv-lk7bc]

not to mention cut through being constantly interrupted. Baldwin sat calmly and civilly and listened patienly while Weiss talked. When it was baldwin's turn, Weiss wouldn't let Baldwin get a third of a sentence out before interjecting, basically heckling. The interchange demonstrated Baldwin's point - He couldn't get a word in edgewise till he finally got fed up and made the man listen. the audience could fel it too - even that 60s white audience.

[@slapmyfunkybass]

@@jv-lk7bc If he made him listen, then Weiss did let him talk. You’re completely contradicting yourself.

[@tango31313]

The spirit of truth grabbed Baldwin and made his last words incredibly powerful.

[@fredhollis3749]

@@tango31313 Is it’s the spirit or thruth grabbing Baldwin? Or Baldwin grabbing truth? Or even really just that he eloquently narrates truth?

[@fredhollis3749]

I don’t think Baldwin got forceful in this exercise. He could have castrated Weiss. I guess the culture or era or tv did the opposite. Perhaps this was a hush job.

[@joedirt2829]

It's phenomenal when someone deemed a scholar of respect, sounds ridiculous when trying to compare cultures of one privileged and one oppressed like it's a kindergarten talk. James Baldwin is a legend, man.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

You clearly don't know his background.

[@user-tk1lf5hi6f]

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 Paul Weiss doesn't come from a privileged group? Or James Baldwin doesn't come from an oppressed group?

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

@@user-tk1lf5hi6f first one.

[@user-tk1lf5hi6f]

@@robertortiz-wilson1588 Based on the idea that he's part of a group that has been oppressed for millenia or something specific about Paul's life?

[@hughdismuke4703]

At least he tried to make sense of what was happening back then, even though it was one-sided in his opinion, an opinion lacking in experience. The good doctor would've had to be in the black mans skin to really understand what it was like, but that wasn't the case when it comes to reality.

[@ShannonToney]

It's very frustrating to watch someone try to explain something to someone that will never truly understand.

[@mavismoore3503]

So why bother?

[@camronbitzer3159]

Baldwin is the man. I love how he explains and I love his voice

[@frazierduran71]

He also went and lived in France instead of a culturally enriched African country

[@adamtzsch]

Canis Lupus So he didn’t live in West Africa for a time? Wow, one can really learn a lot from YT commenters. Thanks!

[@adamtzsch]

Adam Mcgilchrist He has no idea.

[@MrSuperbluesky]

Canis Lupus maybe cos he was successful and wanted to live in more developed place that had less racial violence that that time . Maybe he liked the jazz that was happening as well

[@frazierduran71]

@@MrSuperbluesky "More developed" wow okay racist

[@joselefian8129]

I’m from the south of Chile and just discovered James Baldwin, I begin to read “Beale Street Blues” and I love every page. The man is a genius.

[@viviansmith8279]

So happy you found his voice. Like none other.

[@glasgowgrad6277]

If Beale Street Could Talk. Yep. Agree. And there is a film version whcih is good.

[@bethanybell5841]

My respect for James Baldwin has increased by 100 fold after watching this interview! The man he is "debating" makes me want to tear my hair out not because of the numerous erroneous arguments that he throws at Baldwin but because the dominance of his entire approach disproves the very point that he is trying to make -- that there is no difference between he and Mr. Baldwin. His privileged position of perceived Whiteness gives him the socially acceptable right to overrun Baldwin every few seconds. Baldwin's ability and willingness to suffer through this treatment and still attempt to educate his audience is commendable!

[@PeculiarPeople.]

Baldwin is clearly the better and more excellent gentleman.

[@giovannisantopietro2612]

Paul Weiss could have had that dominance towards anyone (as many other academic types) you're Just assuming It was due to the fact that james baldwin was black

[@LM-cd8ze]

Gaslighters always try to tell you what you are seeing or experiencing is not what it is. It's still going on in today's society. White or black, it's still here.

[@exxusdrugstore300]

@@giovannisantopietro2612 Did Paul Weiss' ghost make a YT account?

[@pyrochromatic88]

Nailed it

[@adamdonahue2079]

Not only were Weiss’ points frustratingly narrow minded and privileged, but his inability to let Baldwin speak uninterrupted were infantile attempts to control a conversation in which his arguments were woefully uninformed and riddled with logical fallacies. Props to Baldwin for his patience with Weiss; if this is how Paul Weiss conducted his philosophy discussions, then I’m glad that I’m after his time.

[@shondagivens6311]

"I have a theory that nothing worst could have happened to me there, that had already happened to me here" - James Baldwin His quotes are gut-wrenching...

[@hughdismuke4703]

Because it's truth. It's sincere. Those who speak truth often express better thru the heart and mind expressing what is real and grounded. We all see it as opposed to some people who TRY to sound like they get it but not really.

[@j.criquette3334]

They are. But what always amazes me even more when I watch Baldwin speak is that, although I'm sure he had thought so many things through beforehand, the ideas seemed to just pop out of his head in a sort of "as needed" basis. Like a jazz improviser but with meaningful words. If you've never watched the debate between him and William F. Buckley Jr. you should. It's astounding.

[@thomasizaguirre600]

@@j.criquette3334 That debate convinced me that Buckley was a clever racist at heart and his rejection of Anti-Semitism was as purely strategic and ulterior as Cromwell’s.

[@EMDEEW]

@@j.criquette3334 I recently saw the debate between Buckely and Noam Chomsky, and boy was Buckley shown to be a charlatan of words there.

[@ruthhenderson5413]

@@j.criquette3334 :First standing ovation [for Baldwin, not Buckley] in the history of the Cambridge Union debates.

[@ronnieortiz6803]

4:18 8:15 The fact that after Weiss' tirades the audience clapped for him, tells you all you need to know about America.

[@poisontoad8007]

The most shameful thing is it STILL tells you all you need to know about America.

[@canwetalk1790]

I was thinking the same exact thing

[@tramainehadnot971]

He was talking in circles, and was low key patronizing literally mad no sense whatsoever.

[@woodwyrm]

And not because of the validity of mr.Weiss arguments?

[@hasangray]

That is the America they want to believe in.

[@Ambientpeach]

When the audience clapped after the author question.. its clear that it takes one ignorant comment that is passive aggressive and has attacking undertones, to get an applause but Baldwin has been going off this whole episode with valid point after valid point.

[@courtneyleeds]

Care to guess the racial color of that audience?

[@deadinternet66]

James Baldwin absolutely destroys the entirety of Weiss' argument. Start @ 11:20 to cut to the heart of the matter.

[@malcolmking3329]

“…This is the evidence. You want me to make an act of faith risking myself, my wife, my woman, my sisters, my children on some idealism which you assure me exists in America but that I have never seen.” It’s crazy that this can still be applied to this day.

[@dev_apostle]

yes you are right

[@hughdismuke4703]

It's a powerful statement because it's lasted this long and even to this day exploits what this society is, has been and is trying to be again. It's truth.

[@headhunters8061]

mind blowing and has a twilight zone feel

[@siqck]

@@headhunters8061 “I don’t know what most white people feel. I can only conclude what they feel from the state of their institutions.. I don’t know if the board of education hates black people, but I know the textbooks they give my children to read and the schools we have to go to" James Baldwin

[@mary14892]

Baldwin shut Weiss up real good!!! That fire still burns!!!

[@haidar114669]

You have to admire James Baldwin’s patience in dealing with the other guy!

[@kimmclarin9756]

Indeed. The willful obliviousness and blind arrogance is astonishing. Baldwin is incredibly patient.

[@Ffejro12256]

@@kimmclarin9756 There were so many telling moments that clearly displayed his stubborn defensiveness. There was one point in which he sat there hugging himself...which said SO much about his own insecurities.

[@elmoreleonard25]

Really? This is not what I’d call an incredibly rude opponent.

[@mrmckraken4893]

I never get tired of watching these videos of James Baldwin. He was brilliant.

[@jjones9822]

He’s a crybaby. A man who was successful in this county and was able to travel the world yet chose to still claim victimhood. Todays race hustlers would be proud.

[@tuxu14]

That man tried so hard to teach someone way more self aware than him something he had no need to learn Embarrassing 😳

[@TJ-gt1zz]

@@jjones9822 GTFOH with that nonsense, Baldwin was treated much better while in France.

[@michaelweinstein3056]

The combination of eloquence, critical thought, and speed of mind which Baldwin possessed never ceases to amaze. There are the great orators of whose place and contributions to our history and civilization have been preserved through multiple biographies each. And then there is James Baldwin.

[@mattybaesxp]

Wow! That man (James Baldwin) is fire!!!! What an incredible person.

[@jpwjr1199]

I'm really starting to fucking hate that expression. But, yes, he was an incredible person.

[@Jide-bq9yf]

jpwjr1199 lolz .

[@musicalmelodies3595]

The white guy is getting uncomfortable because his layers are being peeled like an onion

[@MusMasi]

hes lucky he had a sympathetic audience, imagine him in front of a neutral crowd in front of baldwin.

[@joedellaselva1251]

Professor Weiss is a great philosopher in American (AMERICAN) culture. Join in!

[@bremzen4777]

Can you explain what you mean by layers?

[@GerNiels]

he's actually jewish

[@lovelyapples7708]

@@GerNiels I see.

[@RealTimeLosses]

The moment James Baldwin looked down as he patted his cigarette clean and said " I'll use myself, let's go for broke". A powerful moment is near. Absolutely a soul searched moment.

[@RealTimeLosses]

4:30 time stamp

[@matthewwebster724]

I absolutely love that Mr. Weiss is a STERLING SCHOLAR and has the most baby-brain takes on how racism works. Even more those same bootstraps, "Obama made it so racism is over" takes still circulate in the cultural consciousness today.

[@davidwise3426]

I saw this interview years ago and it reminds me of the brilliance and eloquence of James Baldwin, who literally left Paul Weiss speechless, symbolic of many New Age and conservative thinkers. I love it. Bravo to the late, great Baldwin!

[@JiM-SWEET-art]

Paul Weiss is really blind to the point James makes right here. 11:23 Of course it's different for people because of color. It's not as easy as Weiss thinks it is to JUST be an individual and forget what you look like. The problem is, other people aren't forgetting what you look like and the people who work in the institutions aren't forgetting either.

[@Becky-kl1iv]

Exactly!

[@Zettyboo]

Thank you!!

[@LoftusBlake]

I still cant believe he doesn't understand this or is just blatantly ignoring it thinking it lacks significance

[@lenaestacks934]

It’s like explaining Black Lives Matter to a white person that keeps saying white lives

[@paulallen2919]

@@LoftusBlake denial denial denial. Proves that being book smart doesn't necessarily make someone intelligent

[@agookchild]

This is every conversation in a nutshell: “That stuff happened to your people decades ago. You can trust us now.”

[@barbaras2669]

What a joke considering all the examples of deaths, arrests of people of color for driving, selling water, walking, standing in public, looking at a house being constructed, sleeping in your bed, having the door of your house open, locking yourself out of your house or car. Have I missed any other scenarios?

[@AnthonyStoneWilliams]

I see that mr. Professor didn't want to answer that last one because James Baldwin shut him down with that one 💯. He had no answers.

[@tomikainitaly]

Not one! 💯

[@zs23100]

7:57 You can see Baldwin looking straight into the camera thinking, "I've heard this goddamn talking point a million times."

[@MusMasi]

a lot of exceptionalism and whataboutwhoarisms lol.

[@catherha1]

True dat 🧐

[@mahadewisavira]

And yet he handled that perfectly. He was amazing.

[@calme-dx2dp]

Why should black people be the ones who have to *rise above* all the time, if the barriers were removed the only thing in the way would be the self, unfortunately that is not the case. He (Baldwin) is not saying it is impossible, although it nearly is, there is an everlasting toll it takes on a person who has to constantly jump hurdles to get to where they are going. Baldwin is saying, leave us alone and we'll do it ourselves, nthat is obvious he has done it with a foot standing on his back for years.

[@michaelboulware1240]

@lil' pump Tell that to the masses of conservative voters in America who want to "take their country back". Tell that to those guys in the Tea Party. Tell that to people who blame lazy minorities and immigrants for America's decline. We all say, thats how life is until unjust situations affect us personally.

[@calme-dx2dp]

@lil' pump no, life is not like that...how many hurdles did you have to jump through to eat lunch when you went out, or to get a drink of water or to use the restroom,or to buy a pair of gloves?

[@NeonCicada]

@@michaelboulware1240 plus the men who fought for their right to vote and work just like everyone else, the straight people that had to fight for their right to exist, the Christians that had to fight against religious discrimination in America, the American upper-middle class etc. smh Honestly I'm happy for people that never had to jump hurdles every step of the way just to get what other's around you take for granted and have always had. Just understand that no, not everyone has to jump hurdles in life just to avoid being beaten or killed by bigots

[@EverettNewell]

I agree with you, my friend - but one thing I'd beg you remember: it is the human condition to be tasked with rising above. Rising above is one of the most powerful things all people are burdened with, and it can brings us together.

[@michaelboulware1240]

We rise above as individuals. No need to unify together if we can pull ourselves by our boostraps alone. In fact, no need for police or fire department or the stock market. We should do for ourselves.

[@waynekirshner7155]

It breaks my heart that we can’t have a conversation any where close to this today.

[@GurmukhBains-z7z]

It breaks my heart we would even still even need this conversation today

[@houreugh]

Truth!

[@RajeshKumar-vh6ft]

I admire the patience of Baldwin, if it was me I would have already slapped Paul Weiss.

[@Mr._Moderate]

Lol 😅

[@luvospambo6612]

He couldn't do that else he'd be arrested, or better yet killed. We've always had to fight with more patience disguised as meekness.

[@jusim1000]

The philosophy students at yale were under-served by having this man teach them for as long as he must have

[@ryanfitzalan8634]

that final long statement by Mr. Baldwin was outstanding, truly on point.

[@lauwilliams-hn8qs]

"I just want you to leave me alone. I can do it myself." Yep, still holds true today!

[@kuriaki71]

Baldwin is powerful

[@beerus101]

Must watch

[@NeonCicada]

Let's be respectful please

[@qwertyfiable5069]

Indeed, have watched a lot of him lately. Everything that has to be said has already been said, long ago.

[@qwertyfiable5069]

@Adam Mcgilchrist I'm assuming this was just before Mr Weiss arrived. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYjagJxnbLx7pqc

[@qwertyfiable5069]

​@Adam McgilchristI cant agree or disagree with someone's life experience, I can only listen. I believe him. He was probably always the smartest person in the room - this room being no exception. Patience of a saint too.

[@Bonobanos]

baldwin looking straight at the camera, tired. i love him.

[@markpeter4304]

Or just tired of it..

[@Maplelust]

he's like "here we go again with this dumb argument. "

[@selmazouairi4673]

The satisfaction hearing him explicitely describe how the situation was (and still is to be honest) is incredible!

[@sjlowder]

There is simply no single person that ever spoke in opposition to Baldwin that could ever be considered his superior in logic or debate. It is honestly awe inspiring.

[@v.c.webster9250]

Agreed, even William F Buckley paled in comparison (pun intended) confronted by him -- and his debate at the Oxford Union Debating Society is monumental.

[@JustTazzzzzz]

@@v.c.webster9250can you elaborate ?

[@JustTazzzzzz]

Could you elaborate?

[@grouchyvince9688]

I swear, it's like an old acquaintance of mine told me, "you live in a nice neighborhood, so all this stuff about racism affecting all black folk in society just isn't as bad as you make it"! Then I reminded him that the law that reaffirmed my parents right to have me attend the same school as him was only 4 years older than the both of us.

[@davidcooke8005]

Thus making his point for him.

[@grouchyvince9688]

@@davidcooke8005 Wrong. His point is based in blissful or willful ignorance. I was born in 1958, the law I referred to was enacted in 1954.....Jim Crow and it's cousins across the USA officially went kaput in 1968. From 1968 to the early 70's you had all the social upheavals going on (Vietnam, Civil Rights movement, etc). I went through the Catholic school system....less than 10 fellow black students were in my graduating class and the one before us. Having to occasionally fight with clowns who thought racial jokes were okay if done with a smile and "only kidding" attached. Also, walking through a "white town" to visit a class mate would occasionally be met with town cops or local "concerned citizens" stopping me to ask where was I going, etc. So You and Weiss were/are either in denial, ignorant or willfully ignorant as to what Baldwin was schooling him on. Sad.

[@davidcooke8005]

@@grouchyvince9688 Woooosh!

[@matthewmayorga917]

@@davidcooke8005 you are the one who has missed the point, it's the fact that the sentiment that kept black kids out of white schools was one that was so powerful and widespread amongst his parents' generation and his own was that it required federal intervention and legislation. That makes school integration legal, but a law being signed does not magically make the enmity millions of white people hold in their hearts go away. The same angry white people who marched in Little Rock and the same cops who hosed protestors in Alabama not too long ago are still alive, still voting, and raised children that they inevitably instilled similar beliefs.

[@mikew8383ify]

Mr. Baldwin at the time of this interview is dealing with what some of us today deal with, which are people who do not share your same struggles but are more than prepared to tell you that what you deem as an issue is truly a non issue.

[@davidcooke8005]

In other words, they have their own struggles, which you are conveniently prepared to tell us that what he deems as an issue is truly a non issue.

[@TheMannCrux]

It's weird the way the ahistorical arguments haven't really changed; too much focus on the individual over the system and its roots.

[@stevendunn2501]

Exactly. Individualism is a luxury American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS) have never been able to afford. When Black men gained the right to vote, ADOS communities literally held secret political meetings debating on how those Black men who were eligible to vote, should vote. So even when we were able to vote it wasn't an individual act.

[@CC-di6mx]

Buddy, if one is motivated by self interest thus improving ones self with good morals and values... it is inevitably good for the collective, assuming that everyone comprising the collective are acting in the same manner. The issue at hand is ppl find it easier to identify with there race and blame the other when the tough get going. This is what Weiss I think was trying to promptly display to him. The gap socio-economically is due to government involved within the black community wherein actuality has crippled it via welfare state and promoting abortions and one parent household. Yet when Weiss asked Baldwin, did being blacking inhibit you from becoming a writer? And Baldwin was shocked bc he came to the inherent realization that it didn’t hinder him. Bc he acted in self interest thus propelling him to becoming one of the most influential writers during his time. Hope you could see the other side to this. Cheers!

[@jackwindensky5606]

​@@CC-di6mx That's not what Baldwin said. Your statement "And Baldwin was shocked bc he came to the inherent realization that it didn’t hinder him" is false. If you listen to him this is what he said: "When I left this country in 1948... You talk about making it as a writer by yourself, you have to be able to then turn off all the antenna of which you live because once you turn your back on this society you may die. And it's very hard to sit in a type writter and concentrate on that if you're afraid of the world around you. The years I lived in Paris did one thing for me. It raised me from that particular social terror which is not the paranoia of my own mind but a real social danger visible to the face of every cop, every boss, every body." ~ James Baldwin

[@sfkeepay]

Dick Cavett’s show was popular and successful, and that fact powerfully underscores the depths to which current media has fallen. We desperately need popular media where this level of discourse is encouraged and disseminated. We need to hear Baldwin in our schools and his successors speaking on FoxNews. Instead, we have the Barbie movie and Hannity. We are creating a society of ignorance and retrograde rage over invented stakes.

[@theotormon]

I like your comment but the Barbie movie has more going on than meets the eye.

[@Roxberrie]

A one of a kind. We sure could use his wisdom today.

[@Meng776]

Would we really utilize it? It was mostly wasted back then, I'm not sure we wouldn't waste it now.

[@deonmatthews728]

@@Meng776 we can still learn from him. The truth

[@jamiehatesyou9175]

People are still saying the same things today that Baldwin said then. The problem is that there are also still a lot of people today who are like Weiss

[@NateG007]

Now, Imagine if this was a properly managed debate forum where Mr. Baldwin was allowed to answer questions without interruption. Whew!

[@BellicoseNation]

If you look, Baldwin stayed away from debates which is unusual for intellectuals. He tend to prefer the format where he gets to make the accusations and no one is able or willing to counter.

[@courtneyleeds]

@@BellicoseNation "If you look" 🤣🤣🤣

[@sluggerplunger]

@@BellicoseNation I think this is better because that way you don't get lost in emotions and people call you out and ruin what you actually mean because you spoke too much.

[@MusMasi]

the debate at oxford was a lot better than this farce.

[@72vince27]

When his speech starts at 10:18 I was honestly moved. Such a testament to the statement that a prolific speaker can literally change the way people look at this world.

[@JayKayGBeats]

“The first difficulty is to deal with the fact that my history is inaccessible to me ….”

[@jamescarlisle8758]

Dick cavett was big in the movement. Alot of great interviews from black legends.

[@imliterallysostupid7781]

“Just stop being black” basically old weissman’s energy

[@12martin12rojas]

He was like why can't your people be more like us educated people, Baldwin was like dude we want to.

[@MusMasi]

What? Try and bleach that melanin out?

[@trulyblessed5254]

@@12martin12rojas Educated but still subordinate.

[@Darkyahweh]

wrong, he said stop being unsuccessful... which ironically would require you to stop being racist toward white people and assuming success equals white thus you shouldn't do it.

[@marilynmonheaux]

@@Darkyahweh there’s no such thing as reverse racism. Racism requires systems of power and institutions to wield this power.

[@HolyRan187]

James strength is that he can control all that knowledge without anger. He mastered this act.

[@dw1617]

If someone tells you that they love you or they are a Christian, yet they beat you, call you ugly names, try to destroy you, put you in a cage, feed you slop every day…are you suppose to trust them? No. That is the life most slaves endured.

[@AnexoRialto]

I don't remember Paul Weiss. I remember James Baldwin. Weiss made the same arguments as Fox News makes today. Bootstraps!

[@miriamewaskio793]

Amazing Baldwin! Yes, but that Paul Weis demonstrated right there in the discussion, his aggressive, entitled attitude ( forget whatever his words were) but by his body language, his cutting in rudely to Baldwin, jumping on him, interrupting, dominating, thus demonstrating his emanating from his entitled superior whiteness. And James body language showed Weiss's attempt to make him feel powerless, yet he triumphed in the end. It was painful to watch Weis mostly at the start, not letting Baldwin speak. This in itself prioves Baldwin's position.

[@teahgurl]

Defensive from the front door to the back 😓

[@TheDistrict644]

I said the same prior to reading this. He did hid best to "break" Baldwins argument.

[@miriamewaskio793]

@@TheDistrict644 Absolutely! His dominating bullying delivery disproved his very arguments and prooved Baldwin's...more powefully than any words or logic.

[@HonestlyVon]

When he simply said “I’m trying to make you see something” i felt that, james baldwin was a very understanding person even though being an author his vision was clear when he spoke

[@edwardgore207]

That was my favorite part as well . I still thought that Mr. Weiss made some very good points at the beginning.

[@mckenzie.latham91]

"An assurance of some idealism in America...that i’ve never seen.”

[@JoeMama-tl4tr]

“James Baldwin was 100% correct in this video ” -Man from the year 2021

[@jasontodd201]

9:35 - Baldwin tried to tell him the facts of his experience and he blatantly said he did not believe him, so Baldwin had to skewer him. End of story.

[@FromTheHipp]

and skewer him, he did.

[@bonniewynn3983]

Indeed

[@TheSimonScowl]

Which is the crux of the debate (white man says 'no such animal').

[@warlord8954]

Baldwin said he wasn't going to make it about him. Then he made is about him. Meaning he wasn't truly intellectually honest about his position. He deflected to being with, and then brought it back around to himself.

[@FromTheHipp]

@@warlord8954 your misrepresentation of this video is astounding, yet not shocking. he didnt want to make it about him nor did he want to use himself as an example. Weiss actually pushed that he did, to which Baldwin then said, "ok i'll go for broke." clown

[@justme2me]

The arrogance of this Weiss man is maddening

[@MrResearcher122]

Jimmy Baldwin,though a special kind of man,said there are better men than him,more talented than him,prevented from being writers,creators,and great actors. In his time, growing up,you couldn't even be a bus driver in Harlem until Rev. Powell led a boycott of New York buses. Jewish man seemed sincere enough. The fact such a plain man,with simple ideas, could be a professor at a leading institution while Mr. Baldwin ,like Lazarus,ate crumbs from the streets of a foreign Capital,shows what this race game is all about.

[@BaneBalt]

You can’t explain the existence of racism to a person who has never been on the receiving end, to those people it’s just business as usual.

[@MusMasi]

Its amusing though when they deny and deflect that it exists then to witness the meltdown they have when they experience the receiving end of it, OMG the people that react the most are the ones who never thought they would suffer something even a little then they do.

[@estebannemo1957]

Weiss was the son of Jewish immigrants. Im sure he had plenty of first hand experience with bigotry and discrimination.

[@StillLearnin4332]

@@estebannemo1957 his state/govt issued ID identifies him as white, not Jewish. Also so called Jewish people receive reparations to this day for the Holocaust. No retribution has been paid to black people for chattel slavery, and these black people have to deal with bigotry and discrimination on top of that.

[@OhMyGodHeAdmitIt]

i get so emotional when James Baldwin gets worked up, he really embodies and allows the pain that he speaks of to surface, starting 10:17 to the end. Paul Weiss is clearly having difficulty engaging with the reality of the exteriority and then the internalization of his experience being black. If this debate happened today, i would recommend Weiss read Fanon's "Black Skin White Masks"

[@viviansmith8279]

I too could see the fury in Baldwin. The fury he keeps as contained as possible. He is more than we see or could ever know. Who would he be if he were free?

[@Worldculture7371]

Every time I hear him speak, I am blown away by his intelligence and knowledge.

[@michaelbaker1476]

This crowd's applause is killing me.. hahaha.. it's like inserting a laugh track at the wrong moments.

[@ryanvelez6762]

💯😂

[@EverettNewell]

wow jeez. I consider myself pretty non-woke, but I'm having a hard time with Weiss's rejection of the premise of racial grievance. 'What are you objecting to?' If Weiss had a freaky Friday and woke up in a black body, he'd figure out the objection pretty quick. 7:45

[@toby4514]

That's a good point, i personally don't think you have to be woke to understand racial grievance and racial bias, you just have to be understanding to people. This is something Weiss falls to practice, I would contribute this to the fact that he isn't seeing this as a problem but as a concept something to analyze. Something that many people do.

[@SweetSoulBrother0]

stop caring about being woke or non woke then

[@toby4514]

@@SweetSoulBrother0 but you're the one who said you were not woke? That's why i mentioned it? I was trying to say that you don't have to label yourself as a "woke" person, because anyone can understand a person or people's pain with research or listening. The word has been done to death, and it's more of meme now.

[@SweetSoulBrother0]

@@toby4514 I'm not the op

[@toby4514]

@@SweetSoulBrother0 oh my goodness im sorry, that was accident. Seriously tho, I'm sorry. KZbin confused me.

[@seanwalker6723]

James Baldwin was unbelievable. Talk about real conversations!!

[@jamesgomez9151]

James Baldwin is hands down the greatest James ever.

[@azbacnikorange]

Also the greatest Baldwin ever

[@pimentoso]

Not very often you get to see a novelist teaching a history lesson to a philosopher. Amazing.

[@kummer45]

I had a recommendation in my youtube channel. KZbin showed me James Baldwin. I can't believe that an algorithm could provide me a gift of this magnitude. I cried listening to this man. I never saw a man like James Baldwin slaps hard truth like this.

[@thiscatrighthere]

There's nothing more frustrating than a person that doesn't listen. James was better than me to keep trying to explain his experience to a brick wall..

[@justinwolz4932]

A great discussion that is still being had today, thankfully. It seems they were arguing from two fundamental different viewpoints that continue in many different spheres. These are the concepts of acting in the world that IS vs the world that SHOULD BE. Weiss seems to be making an argument about the way things SHOULD BE. Baldwin acknowledges it and I think, appreciates it as he alludes to escaping his environmental restraints in moments when in other environments that allow him to (going to Paris). However, I think Baldwin's base view is that, when dealing with survival constantly, how do you ascend to acting on how things SHOULD BE? You would be attempting to survive, which usually is acting on how things are. I think both men acknowledge that we need to get to a state of acting on how things SHOULD BE, but this society has put black people in survival mode for far too long.

[@maxclive2138]

Wow this is amazing, it's a shame such intelligent and reasoned dialogue is rare on daytime TV now.