Chatting w/ Kraut - Follow-Up: NATO, Trump, Economy, Immigration, China and More

Date streamed: 9/26/2020
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Introductions with Kraut
03:55 - TPP and Trade Agreements
09:28 - Looking Inward vs Outward
14:38 - NATO and Trump
17:59 - Foreign Meddling
20:19 - Democracy vs Authoritarianism
22:26 - New Silk Road
25:04 - Middle East
33:02 - Problems with American Democracy
39:41 - Wrap-Up with Kraut
41:42 - Introductions with DougofCA
42:28 - Political Pressure for Authoritarians
53:18 - Chinese Economy
01:04:17 - Protectionism and Immigration
01:08:59 - Conflict between US and China
01:10:51 - Hollywood and China
01:15:40 - Tariffs or Trade Agreements
01:19:15 - US vs Chinese Industry
01:22:25 - Future of US and China
01:27:12 - Chinese Military
01:31:37 - Chinese Influence in the US
01:38:12 - Public Opinion
01:41:32 - Wrap-Up with DougofCA
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[@mario167100]

Friendship ended with Vaush. Now, Kraut is my best friend.

[@jacoba5814]

Honestly good. Kraut is way more consistent with pushing policy instead of "anarachism lmao"

[@mario167100]

@@jacoba5814 Yeah, but I know for a fact was into some doxxing shit back during the skeptic days.

[@kingseth3]

The Plains Jam so do you know for a fact or not ?

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@kingseth3 There is a shitton of misinformation so here's at least one post to set the record straight. No, Kraut did not doxx people, Kraut was the guy who was doxxed. What happened was that Kraut had made a server created by him and others to compile accessible info against alt-righters like Lauren Southern, Ryan Faulk, Coach Red-Pill, etc. Many people infiltrated his server claiming they weren't white nationalists (like Aydin Paladin) and started their own campaign. Because the anti-sjw community at the time were chummy with right wing thought because "feminism is cancer", they believed what Kraut was doing was the worst of the worst and decided to oust him (and again, dox him and his family). Months after this info went down, it turned out many of Kraut's accusers were found to be liars. Of course the damage was already done. The anti-sjw community was in shambles. The Far Right became the prevailing mindset with The Killstream, Warski Live, and The Daily Shoah gaining views. It was only within mid 2018 with people like Drallasta, Liberal Sanity Project, and Three Arrows, along with the rising popularity of the old guard like Contrapoints and Shawn, that left wingers returned to the mic. Granted he did release irl info about Coach Red-Pill, but all of it was info that Coach had publicly released on his own beforehand.

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@idiosyncraticname I'm not a fan of super leftists, and neither are Destiny or Kraut, but I refuse to engage in mischaracterizing someone.

[@withinfinite5104]

We didn't vote for this much content, but Authoritarian Destiny made the right choice for us all.

[@anarchototalitarian6921]

A Vanguard Destiny is necessary to protect the workers revolution

[@dannygelbart6827]

@@anarchototalitarian6921 ALL HAIL COMRADE DESTINY!

[@frederickvonabel6349]

Supreme general of the armed forces Destiny

[@BBVictini1]

@C Ernesto Or maybe we are seeing new viewers who started watching during the break, so normal to you really is more to them. I am in that camp personally.

[@SuperLotus]

Anyone who can't cope has ADD - Authoritarian Destiny Denial

[@Vheneu]

nebraska steve: deactivated cubano stefano: activated

[@carlosmelchor200]

More conversations with kraut would be great.

[@zrnov1934]

yes

[@pk6482]

yes

[@The123somerandomguy]

yes

[@Bombertard]

yes

[@kingseth3]

yes

[@TyckledPynk]

Kraut-destiny political podcast incoming

[@sethwilliams8625]

I would cut off my left but for a kraut-destiny podcast

[@mellowtron214]

You’re left BUTT? I’d carve up my center butt for a Kraut and D podcast.

[@baragsen]

Quick correction: Around 27 minutes, he said Syria has the Atlas mountains going in into Lebanon. That's wrong, the Atlas Mountains are located in Morocco, thousands of kilometers away. He probably meant the An-Nusayriyah mountains (also called Syrian coastal mountain range) which connects to Mount Lebanon and Anti-Lebanon Mountains through Homs Gap.

[@luperamos7307]

He in general doesn't know what he is talking about. He literally has a book in front of him as he narrates. That's why his videos are so boring

[@dustie455]

@@luperamos7307the man spends hundreds of hours reading books and drawing balls so what if he names the wrong mountain range ,also what do you mean he narrates books his vids are like 4hrs long (if you add all the parts) no good political book is just 4hrs long also his content isn’t suppose to be entertaining like how destiny is yeah you can lesrn from people like destiny but if your serious about learning about politics you listen to people like kraut who only educated and overlooks current social issues that are not important to future bigger picture issues.

[@solitariumos]

@@luperamos7307 is learning valuable if it's not presented with pretty video effects?

[@luperamos7307]

@@dustie455 It's literally western propaganda he is reciting. His take on Yugoslavia was absolutely insane

[@luperamos7307]

@@solitariumos It's not learning at all. See my previous comment. Especially his Yugoslavia video was awful where he omitted facts and cherished the destruction of Belgrade

[@Flubly]

Kraut: "This is leftover from Spanish colonialism." Chat: "Yee neva lose."

[@Raikenbolai]

@T_ C it is amazing the amount of fact checking they will do for other guests but Kraut seemed to get a free pass with all his inaccuracies

[@CleanerBear]

@@Raikenbolai because kraut is actually likeable, unlike most people destiny talks to.

[@Raikenbolai]

@@CleanerBear so in order to spread logical fallacies and historical inaccuracies....you just have to be nice. Sweet.

[@travelerfinder7840]

@@Raikenbolai What did Kraut say that was wrong?

[@azl5541]

Jason Murphy Care to explain a few of his off mark takes?

[@adamsoundcloud4248]

Too much content I can’t

[@healingv1sion]

I can 😎

[@unebkarnn4842]

The second guy thinks marvel movies will bring down the CCP. Has Consoomerism gone too far?

[@someonexd1961]

That point was just so wrong, considering that first off that every movie shown in china litterallly gets censored and american companies already changeing their movies to suite china

[@healingv1sion]

Someone xd there may be a way despite all that to complete this task. There's a lot of levels to the plan and maybe I'm stretching but I feel it's possible. I would explain it if you want me to go further.

[@wizzzer1337]

​@@someonexd1961 specific content might be censored, but Chris Evans tasty buns are more than enough influence to make the Chinese have a positive outlook of the United States.

[@someonexd1961]

@@wizzzer1337 ah yes when this is the highest grossing film in china lol (Domestic film) kzbin.info/www/bejne/nJzUeJyGd5d3bq8

[@SuperLotus]

Zherka was just on Destiny's stream the other day talking how Iran was becoming more Americanized and younger generations becoming more secular. That said, I'd be careful about mixing up causation and correlation.

[@smiff513]

Is kraut the only anti sjw that wasn’t a closet conservative hiding behind memes

[@Simjorfeo]

Thunderf00t maybe? Dr. Layman comes to mind as well, but he stopped doing youtube for a while now.

[@coolcrafterlp9872]

@@Simjorfeo Thunderf00t is alright.

[@Kallisto.0]

Hmm... What about TJ Kirk?

[@browsertab]

@@Kallisto.0 How quickly people forget. Vaush basically took his schtick.

[@drawgam2946]

Seems so it was when the more openly alt right joined the anti sjws that he clashed with those that he firstly was on friendly grounds with.

[@rhinoboy09]

I didn't realise how much following destiny into his recent convos was melting my brain , this is a breathe of fresh air real information !!! The audience is here bring it to us !!!!

[@darkelite824]

my wife divorced me

[@Leinja]

I know.

[@ascensive9837]

based?

[@levvy3006]

Become the wife

[@Hannibal082]

Get a husband. Just be gay.

[@Microplastics2]

sorry buddy.

[@inienthelonewitch6745]

15 minutes in and I'm already loving it. These two are really fun to listen to.

[@connordry9391]

Steven, keep debating. You know the goal: debating Ben Shapiro. Work hard until you get there.

[@oheyeverybody4798]

Ben doesn’t debate adults anymore

[@smol578]

@@oheyeverybody4798 destiny could pretend to be a college student, he's short enough for it

[@smol578]

@@oheyeverybody4798 or train Nathan for the debate

[@bryanchu5379]

@@smol578 he needs to skillfully bait Ben into debating him by making himself seem like a stereotypical sjw liberal

[@theophilegaudin2329]

Debating his way to Shapiro

[@blocherxk6618]

my man is getting ready to go the full youtube content route.

[@Scott-fd7zi]

I’m not against it

[@pababoyM2]

Cringe

[@mvplkg5092]

Based

[@stalok5963]

It would be fun to see kraut and Dylan discuss foreign policy and middle east tbh

[@bigheadrhino]

Is it just me or is Destiny talking even faster than he used to? Combined with how slowly Kraut talks I found I had to rewind a lot... that being said, this is a great convo. I love Kraut’s videos.

[@tiaandeswardt7741]

I'm from South Africa. I know a lot of adults who fought for the South African Defence Force in Angola. Kraut simplified it a bit, but that is understandable. Glad to see the conflict get some attention.

[@bendrever2364]

More Kraut please, these talks are so interesting to listen to

[@bokajon]

Love the recently content on this channel. Kraut is a smart guy.

[@albinnn4]

Kraut: 5head DougofCA: 2head

[@peterhoekstra306]

I love that you are trying to learn more now then what you use to do.

[@MrSporkster]

Kraut is so based right now.

[@jacobbryan3671]

The KZbin content is awesome far. More stuff like this. More discussions, less debates.

[@ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppl]

I've mostly been watching these videos lately to see how his Factorio base is going. It's looking real sexy right now.

[@mellowtron214]

I kinda love Kraut. I used to watch his stuff in like 2015, then he dropped off the map. But it’s great to hear from him again.

[@edor867]

these discussions are really fun

[@sausage4049]

this is such a better talk than the one vaush had with kraut holy shit

[@tarique583]

Never thought about the things the first guy brought up. Might have to go check him out more!

[@gyvn1]

A tip for watchers, you can stop after Kraut leaves

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

Why?

[@handsomebear.]

@@user-uq4gr5nl5o Because it was a complete waste of time listening to it.

[@samjoshi1812]

@@user-uq4gr5nl5o Yeah the convo goes to shit

[@tryewa]

I love how when the editor spreads out videos to make sure content comes out consistantly they get shit on for being slow, but when they do release content immediately people complain that to much stuff is posted at the same time

[@user-gc1ee2rw1o]

One thing to keep in mind is that Turkey is moving it's arab refugees into a majority kurdish region as to create human barrier between the Rojava kurds and Turkey.

[@regarded9702]

The talk with kraut was great

[@golftownpro999]

Lol "no I am smoking weed" 👴😂

[@sameash3153]

Me too

[@yacinecombary]

Im just happy that Destiny says Iraq instead of "Eye-Rag"

[@olalustig5397]

NICE,THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER THEN THE LAST ONE I HOPE LOVE U KRAUT

[@DanielleTinkov]

I’m sure this conversation is going to age really well :)

[@SuperSupermanX1999]

lol describing the Troubles in Ireland as "like 20 people" he lost me there

[@neonjesus8831]

OH man, I was gonna ask destiny about that exact democracy vs authoritarianism.

[@aronchai]

Neon Jesus What’s more important than democracy per se is an open society in which government receives input from below. The strongest societies are able to take local innovations (like Kraut’s Prussian healthcare example) and use their competent bureaucracy to scale them up. Taiwan and Korea do this very well, and even China does to some extent-in the 80s the local government in Guangdong spearheaded market reforms in special economic zones, and the central government gradually expanded the reforms to the whole country. The problem with the US is that, thanks to the utter collapse of civic organizations that organized and informed the masses, like local news and unions, people can no longer coordinate at the local level to spearhead change-at best they can come together under the influence of social media as short-lived, leaderless protest movements without a clear agenda. All anyone can do is fixate on the federal government, and fight over the prize of congress, the presidency and the Supreme Court with the aim of fixing society from the top down in one fell swoop. The biggest problem with this is that no one actually understands national politics on a policy level, since it’s so disconnected from our daily lives, and so we devolve into fighting over moral issues and signifiers of identity. Furthermore, our bureaucracy has become old and incompetent. Young, smart and ambitious people go to Wall Street or Silicon Valley rather than going into government, and many of them actually hold government in contempt. By contrast, in the 60s an organization like NASA was overwhelmingly staffed with people under 30.

[@D2TV]

I really liked this one talking about stuff i know little about!

[@sloppymcslops954]

More kraut! As someone who watches both of you obsessively, this has been the greatest crossover ever.

[@drawgam2946]

Oh ,does Kraut have a youtubechannel again?

[@sloppymcslops954]

@@drawgam2946 Yes. It's very good, you should give it a watch

[@FearandLoathinginLandonND]

I need the second guy to take a drink of water every once in awhile.

[@killercaos123]

Latest news on TikTok, a judge has stopped the ban and will allow people to still download it.

[@heikkipaasi1279]

This Factorio installation is insane. Is it like a massive Rube Goldberg machine or does it actually do something?

[@piercewagner8776]

Finally something actually interesting

[@SgtPwnVids]

Holy fuck Destiny is leaping back into work. What a determined dood

[@inkognitoinkgonito7873]

i woud love to see destinys reacting to the video from kraut, does anybody know where to find the full stream?

[@rickastley8214]

Second guy had no idea what he was talking about seemed like...

[@JLchevz]

Kraut is amazing. He does a ton of research and he's pretty smart. Top dude.

[@GN0MEz]

This content is massively interesting, thank you

[@nexeos]

The Atlas mountains moved themselves from Morocco to Syria? That's Incredible! Who the hell said Vietnam loves China? They've been fighting for like 4000 years.

[@drawgam2946]

Hate/love relationship,you know the drill.

[@aronchai]

I’m guessing he meant the Zagros mountains

[@nexeos]

@@aronchai Zagros mountains is in Iran, he's talking about western Syria.

[@aronchai]

Nexeos They extend into Turkey and Syria

[@nexeos]

@@aronchai very slightly into Turkey but not at all in Syria. And he was talking about the Syrian coastal mountain range in the west.

[@Logan-zw6eh]

The vietmese have no bad blood with the US, they are taught in schools to not dwell on the past and to focus on the future.

[@user-sq3ke5nz3l]

Forgive, maybe. Forget, never.

[@aronchai]

Also everyone is super young in Vietnam. Most people were born after the war.

[@HaleStormStrong]

I watched almost none of this video bc it’s late and I don’t really have time BUT just wanted to comment that Chinese labor IS cheaper. Government subsidies are real but it isn’t the reason chinese manufacturing production is so high. It is a very competitive industrial economy where people are willing to work long hours in low-skill low-paying jobs because their alternative might be plowing a farm in a village that doesn’t have a hospital or paved roads. As their economy booms and people begin to expect a higher quality of life their manufacturing will get more expensive. That’s why they are investing in industries in Africa and the Middle East, so that they can offload their cheap labor eventuality

[@dafeels3085]

Chinese labor is actually not that low when comparing to other developing countries right now. Labor is just one factor in total manufacturing cost and often times it's not even the biggest component. Moreover, more and more manufacturing is being done by machines so it's not that relevant anymore. I'm sure there is no other country investing more into robots and AI in factories than China. Even the US, which enjoys high wages, still produces the 2nd most after China. So, I think China will still dominate manufacturing in the future but probably less of the cheap plastic kind.

[@nothingtoseeherebruvna]

Yo Lil D I fux wit these convos between u n kraut daddi. V interesting

[@needbatg722]

Hezbollah flags were seen in Kashmir recently. It's reasonable to assume Iran also has a hand in India as well.

[@greggodonnell6938]

48:00, this guy clearly doesn't understand that the CCP is a gigantic administrative body that can replace ping in a heartbeat. Mao got kicked out of the party like 2 times.

[@julianbeatty2909]

1:19:15 A couple of points that should also be added. The US dollar trade favorably against the Chinese yuan, even if all other productivity factors was equal, it would be substantially cheaper for move manufacturing to China because workers can be paid in a relatively cheap currency, and the goods they make can be sold in dollars which are more valuable. Kraut is missing the mark on productivity. Whether or not a country has higher labor productivity isn't the deciding factor; its the cost of each unit of labor that determines where production is built. Furthermore, America is a services economy, and China is a manufacturing economy, and those productivity values are not interchangeable. If China and US swapped roles they would both produce less. 1:21:00 A bit of an mis-statement. The companies that are leaving China, are moving into even lower wage countries like Vietnam and India. In fact, a lot of Chinese suppliers are doing this as well. I'm not sure why he thinks that they could just come to the US instead. Did he not think the Apple board room considered a list of countries to diversify their supply chain into? They did, and they found that they would make more money at a lower risk by moving production into other low wage countries than moving production here. 1:21:37 What does he main spend billions of dollars helping other countries combat china versus investing money in the United States instead? The direction of capital is determined by return. One 1 billion dollars could buy several factors and employ thousands of workers in Vietnam over several years and generate quick returns. 1 billion dollars invested here will be comparatively less.

[@chocolatebiscuitsandtea0587]

The person you're referring to is DougofCA, not Kraut.

[@someonexd1961]

@@chocolatebiscuitsandtea0587 yep and even if it was kraut he was fucking baked during the discussion lmao and still quoting books and shit

[@twot2224]

Even if I only understand half the Kraut content it's a thousand times more interesting than watching Destiny debate himself into suicide!

[@leajey4279]

I really do enjoy the Kraut conversations but I do get sadistic pleasure from Destiny getting super angry

[@Davith_D]

This is honestly one of the best videos in a long time. Makes the lefty arc worth it

[@daviddaniello7222]

This is so much better than debating holy fuuuuuuck

[@rburk854]

In reference to the guy's comments right at the end of the video, I wish people would stop generalizing "The Midwest" as if it's a depopulated wasteland where no one lives. More people live in the Midwest than the Northeast, and the West overall is not that far ahead either.

[@Lewa500]

Didn't know Dougof8K was in this one. Neat.

[@bryanchu5379]

hahaha I didn't understand a goddamn thing in this entire video, including and especially how tf factorio works, but I still enjoyed listening to people have big brain disagreements

[@iamsheep]

BTW: foreign movies represent 10-20% of the market in China. Chinese domestic movies have accounted for 80%+ of the box office for at least 5 years now. Chinese people don’t like American stories more, only the big blockbusters because, like every other country, only Hollywood could make them. However, if you talk to Chinese viewers, they often criticise American stories as cliched. A good example of this is Star Wars, where Chinese audience never saw the originals in cinemas, audiences felt they black&white morality of the story feels like kids play. Now for those who are going to bring up Transformers, Chinese audiences grew up watching the cartoons and they represent a nostalgia trip more than Star Wars. Recent larger budget movies such as “Wandering Earth”, which made 500million USD box office (on a 50million budget), means that they are also creating their own blockbusters.

[@lousy7580]

Authoritarians can be proactive and far-future oriented, but often times they have to focus on the narrow and immediate goal of establishing their own security. This does not always cause long term societal success and often counters it. China may be on an upswing now, but those same faults of dictatorship can come back to haunt it.

[@NoFace-Killah]

Doug From *redacted*

[@category5gaming924]

Modern Monetary Theory does not apply to China the same way it does to the United States because USD is the reserve currency.

[@sirnate9065]

Iran has a revolutionary guard, not a royal guard.

[@vicentegodoy5493]

holy shit the doug take on public pressure in china is such a difference in common sense compared to the conversation with kraut

[@devalapar7878]

Wow! This guy has a really good understanding of Turkey. I find Turkish history fascinating. They came from cetral east asia, dominated the middle east, took over the roman empire and governed three continents for centuries. If they had used brutal force like the mongols, they would have made enemies everywhere and would have never created a stable empire. In one way, Turks became what they conquered. When they conquered the Middle East, they became Persians. When they conquered the Roman empire, they became Romans.

[@connordry9391]

Destiny should be getting ready for bigger debates l!!

[@Lkjhgf5482]

I feel so bad for Mariana

[@TheKeKApex]

bro the chat when @kraut says he smokes weed fucking BASED

[@heavenbright2342]

Some points to point out to address Kraut's comment on Manchurian Independence. 1) There is no Manchu independence movement. You can find a few outliers but that's not an argument. It is like saying Canada is a Nazi country and when challenged, find some fringe groups and outliers to try to prove the point. 2) The modern Chinese identity as a multi-ethnic supra-nation is a Manchu creation, not a Han creation. Manchu imperials and dynasts referred to themselves literally as "Zhongguo" in Mandarin and "China" in English. 3) There are less than 100 Manchu speakers and of the 10 million ethnic Manchus, the overwhelming majority are so by law but not by race. You literally cannot tell the difference between a Han and a Manchu. I bet you didn't know Wu Jing, the Chinese action star who starred on Chinese Rambo-like movies like Wolf Warrior, is Manchu, not Han. Like China or not, at least approach it from an angle of understanding and realism.

[@Esardi]

I wonder where Destiny stands over South China Sea or West Philippine Sea

[@mohammadbadeges9963]

What? The Atlas Mountains are in North Africa not Syria

[@MA-xl3zx]

Good catch

[@connordry9391]

How do I get to destiny’s discord?

[@zeckoid]

wtf is kraut talking about? atlas mountains are in north Africa not middle east

[@JCDGAMING01]

Doug of CA just sounded contrarian halfway through his conversation

[@gudmundursteinar]

It's important to remember that the primary enemy of the far left is the center left and the primary enemy of the far right is the center left.

[@nathansimon7607]

kraut and destiny podcast PLS

[@Olly676]

The EU has considerably higher net migration than the US does. 4.6 per 1,000 versus 2.9 per 1,000: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate

[@dlugi4198]

Kraut is honestly the best content creator on YT! Great guy

[@santiagopichiringo8476]

Does anyone have this stream's vod in youtube?

[@villecor8765]

The vid is a bit to low on volume

[@domaataajs]

Yes, Steven, get into geopolitics, please.

[@onodatboi9041]

This is the strangest timeline

[@yancowles]

'A ship gets shot down.' !!! Wow, they got theyselves some advance ship shit, no?

[@Sprite_525]

As long as Kraut’s not talking about Shoe or 2016, he’s actually great. He needs trauma therapy over 2016 then he’ll be pretty unshakable and legit

[@moonman1717]

The Blood Sports reunion plots are out of control. Anyone remember when this guy ran a podcast with Naked Ape? lol and when Ape debated Destiny? Crazy times ...

[@elicious7574]

Finally Kraut on the big stage

[@phokas260]

[@not_suspicious]

That DougofCa guy just seems like he’s in denial.

[@Lewa500]

Yep. He was in denial here and he was in denial when Destiny outed him from doing a bad job in the Georgia canvassing effort.

[@TimbahOnToast]

Bare respect and admiration for man like Kraut

[@TravyAnderson]

Destiny VS The Rational National on the Breonna Taylor case...

[@SeruraRenge11]

It seems like no one ever brings up China's massive gender imbalance that is bound to cause social problems down the road.

[@orangecream3340]

I feel like they can probably deal with that with the power they have already shown over the family with the one child policy

[@SeruraRenge11]

@@orangecream3340 The one child policy is specifically what caused this mess due to traditional chinese culture favoring boys over girls causing what you can only call a gendercide. Now there's 130 men for every 100 women in China, that can't be good for society to have that many men be without a partner simply by lack of choices. And don't tell me they'll just marry non-Chinese because the vast majority will not, far too many Chinese men believe the Chinese women "belong" to them and that it would bring shame to the family to marry a non-Chinese. Some will sure, but a lot won't and instead will just be bitter at not finding a girl.

[@KuchiKaeschtliTV]

@@SeruraRenge11 not so sure about the non-chinese women though. They are getting desperate and therefore there is a rising trend to kidnap or lure Women from poor villages in Myanmar, Vietnam and North Korea and force them to marriage and childbirth

[@farminstoltzfus]

What game is Destiny playing?

[@stdcall]

factorio

[@devalapar7878]

Sorry, but Chinese production is less efficient. They usually use men power instead of automation.

[@hannahgoldkamp8888]

Why is the second guy talking about productivity being the most important factor when cost is just as relevant??? Assuming that highly productive but expensive American labour is a perfect substitute to cheap but unproductive Chinese labour, there is a point at which the cost per unit is less with Chinese labour than with American labour. That‘s what matters for a profit maximising corporation, no???

[@hannahgoldkamp8888]

Also, those politicians that were proposing to degrade the quality of American labour to be competitive or whatever seem to have snoozed through economics. You can‘t endlessly depress wages even if you abolish the minimum wage, same with safety standards. These things are how companies compete for labour. You could lower them with that but you can‘t push them down all the way.

[@healingv1sion]

I say we start calling him irishladdie again