Cheap and Expensive Cornet Blind Taste Test!!

[@laurafayehp]

“But they cost several thousand dollars” *Immediately hits the cornet on something*

[@french7515]

that was the cheaper one

[@SKRB]

I’d say either ABCD, ABDC, ACBD, ACDB, ADBC, ADCB, BACD, BADC, BCAD, BCDA, BDCA, BDAC, CABD, CADB, CBAD, CBDA, CDAB, CDBA, DABC, DACB, DBAC, DBCA, DCAB, or DCBA.

[@maybethistimenow]

Idiot, it's the first! Doh!

[@smyry]

fair guess

[@lac0rde]

The fact that we all have so many different answers only proves a skilled player can make any instrument sound good.

[@sfm4life613]

Holy fuck the new intro song is fucking amazing

[@glaslackjxe3447]

My ears are begging for a big resolution

[@glaslackjxe3447]

absolutely!

[@ATS123]

I made an arrangement of it that sounds pretty spot on

[@connnnnnnor2096]

Good to know im not the only one who tastes my instrumets

[@Quackadalias]

1=?, 2=?, 3=?, 4=?

[@MaartenZaagman]

CADB I'm hearing a richer, fuller tone with a little less sharpness on the expensive cornet. The mouthpieces differ by quality of tuning and ease of playing. (I'm no brassplayer so I am just guessing)

[@crimsun7186]

Considering a softer metal is cheaper to use in manufacture, it's safe to say that the most expensive cornet has the sharper and more brittle sound.

[@EnglishTMTB]

The mouthpiece can impact the tone significantly - and the cheap one isn't a copy of the better one, so the odds are the significant changes in tone are because of the mouthpiece.

[@MaartenZaagman]

So BADC then?

[@EnglishTMTB]

I think so - we'll see soon enough I guess

[@MaartenZaagman]

EnglishTMTB well done sir!

[@jamesparlane9289]

I am a broken down cornet player. The all sound bloody good to me. With substantial deafness I can;t hear any difference. One had a bit more wavy tone in it somewhere but that may have been the player not the cornet. Always interesting things here on this site.

[@0Luna_]

The differences are so small that it is nearly impossible to tell them apart when played. The second and third sounded ever so slightly different but, I could not tell which one was being used.

[@thatbrasshole9694]

C, B, D A And for your next trick. Try a wooden mouthpiece (they're truly horrible) vs a plastic mouthpiece.

[@flyingpies]

woah, I didn't know wooden mouthpieces were even a thing - but why would someone make that for a brass instrument?

[@aidanchristensen1581]

My teacher( a horn player) used to play on a wooden mouthpiece and thought it was one of the best playing experiences he'd ever had.... Must be different on cornet....

[@richarddavy-smith6626]

It would be great to hear a top band switch to student grade instruments for a piece to show that the instrument doesn't make the difference people expect

[@EnglishTMTB]

On the contrary, it'd make a significant difference - moreso on some insuments than others (there have been numerous "professional" grade sops and flugels with significant tuning issues, the student versions are typically awful), but overall the effect would be marked. Sure, they'd still be better than a poor quality band on the same student instruments, and even the poor quality band on pro instruments - but they'd still be significantly below their best. To analogise a little... It's like saying that if you put a bunch of racing drivers in bangers you'd notice very little difference... Flip it over, and give your average driver on the street a Ferrari for the day and the difference between their lap times (Vs the "banger" above) will be far less than the pro driver would. It's having the skills to get the most out of the best equipment that makes the best bands so good - when you're getting the most out of any equipment, having the best makes the biggest difference. I don't want to cast any aspersions, but my experience has been that most people who made this kind of argument (in person) either aren't especially good players or haven't played with top class bands to understand just how much attention to detail goes into creating those performances.

[@zacharygriffin6285]

It doesn’t make that much difference to an audience with an untrained ear, but subtleties are quite noticeable to the player and trained listeners. In my opinion, each one is very different. I’m on track to receive a music degree from a conservatory-level university and here are my thoughts: 1) B - good intonation from the expensive horn, missed articulations from cheap mouthpiece 2) A - solid intonation and articulations from both expensive parts 3) C - consistent articulations from expensive mouthpiece, poor intonation from cheap horn 4) D - intonation issues caused by cheap horn, pitch instability caused by the mouthpiece I may not be right with the combinations, but the descriptions are valid.

[@EnglishTMTB]

@@zacharygriffin6285 Close, the last two the wrong way around. There's a little bit of a hint in the video before the playing begins - the more expensive mouthpiece is a Denis Wick, and generally speaking those tend to be fairly dark in tone and quite not too tight slotting, so you get a fluidity to the tone despite the intonation wrangles (which are audible) caused by the cheaper cornet. The mouthpieces are responsible for quite a lot of the difference in tone... If you were to listen back a couple of times you'd easily be able to break down which pairs clips correspond to the same mouthpiece - you can then listen again to notice which highlight the intonation flaws of the cheap cornet. A friend mentioned this video to me just today, so I had to come back and listen again and see if I got the same answer as before (I got it right at the time of release, BADC) - yup, correct again. And reading along with the music, the incorrect rhythm in the penultimate bar really grates on me, just as it did at the time.

[@willfulliam]

Extract 1 was bright but nice vibrato. Extract 2 sounded like the best tone. Extract 3 had notes with bad intonation. Extract 4 had my favorite phrasing. CADB.

[@vk2172]

very hard to tell for the mixes of the cheap and expensive, but the 2nd one to me sounds the best so I'll just say I think that the 2nd is A

[@flowergirl1379]

CABD the difference in tone and intonation I think gives away the difference between B and D, and A felt much smoother and like it was played with more ease than C, but they had similar tone.

[@danielgaffney6969]

I just got a trumpet and your vids are amazing you're pretty good

[@Markus_Breuss]

1-B 2-A 3-D 4-C

[@jackg9091]

1. B 2. C 3. A 4. D I like 3 better than 2, seems to be the unpopular opinion.

[@yungtrae2763]

Jack G i agree

[@jackrabbit4545]

Jack G you can hear a difference in them. I say this is probably the ordwe

[@gena1384]

I legitimately wanted an actual blind taste test

[@bobneptune]

BADC

[@RainyFoxUwU]

dont forget that listening on crappy speakers makes a difference, and youtube compression

[@1orsten]

CADB and I´m not hearing much difference, for my brass ensemble all 4 versions would be a huge improvement :-) my understanding would be 2 and 4 to be the rich sound of the expensive cornet and the mouthpiece adding more or less air noise to the sound; I read about the intonation difference: not hearing much of that, so my ears are obviously not that good, as I would wish them to be

[@gregvito]

Le son d'un cornet peut être bien différent du son d'un autre cornet comme le son d'un Yamaha et celui d'un OLDS Ambassador, l'embouchure est également très importante car c'est elle qui assure en partie la tension des lèvres, l'utilisateur est également très important car c'est lui qui est la source du son. Au final on aura un cocktail de 3 variables (cornet, embouchure, utilisateur), il m'est déjà arrivé d'obtenir un très bon résultat avec un instrument bon marché comme un résultat quelconque avec un instrument couteux. Dans certains cas assez rares le cornet ne permet pas une bonne émission du son et il est possible qu'il soit faux comme certains Bugles.

[@Bardon222]

the new intro is friggin awesome!

[@stevemarx415]

My tupence worth The mouthpiece is very important but it can take a very long time to find a mouthpiece that suits you. I myself used to use a kosicup . But as you play year after year . You end up with leather chops. So almost anything will do . If you started in the right direction. Am a jazz guy now but started in a brass band .

[@jeeyo2396]

From a woodwind's perspective: 1=C 2=A 3=B 4=D Because for me as a clarinet player, a nice clear dark sound is a way to go. I don't know much about brasses, tone wise.

[@flyingpies]

As a trumpet player, I'm usually told to play warm and out of my stomach.

[@willmoura40]

Olá amigo sou do Brasil e tenho uma dúvida, porque existem cornets que tem a campana mais curta e outros mais longos? Muito obrigado

[@sputnikmusico9448]

Hi sir I have cornet of jul heinr zimmermann leipzig I don't know what's value ? Can u tell me please about this cornet I have so many searched but I can't find the real value reply me

[@sippel2009]

Very cool idea Trent. 1. D 2. A 3. C 4.B

[@Villemtiits]

Maybe? 1-C 2-A 3-D 4-B Interesting challenge

[@nathanielwilliford2589]

I hit the like button before I actually started watching the video

[@sheepphic]

Same here

[@davefoster7770]

D, A, C, B

[@freddys4165]

I'm liking the new intro music!

[@branflakes2600]

ACBD? There is definitely a difference in clarity, but that's all I can see. The sound quality varies as well, but I can't put my finger on what's best.

[@nrcg2317]

What was the purpose of the experiment? To see if we can determine which cornet sounds better? Or which mouthpiece makes a better sound, regardless of the cornet? Or both, or to see if we could pick out by listening to the most effective combination of cornet, mpc that you tested? Unless I'm missing the point, it looks like your testing two unknowns simultaneously. I would want to know what the dependent and independent variables are throughout the study.

[@HippieHorns]

CADB 1.C 2.A 3. D 4. B I listened to this a few times, that's the best I can figure. I can't wait to see if I win! I mostly play trumpet and have an old Olds Cornet and an even older York Cornet. The sound of the instrument was richer on 2 and 4. The mouthpiece seemed to have an effect on attacks and tone in all ranges as well. I have never been able to find the best combination on cornet probably because from this video I've been playing too cheap of horn. I'm curious if we are on the right track!

[@TrentHamilton]

Hi Scott, check out the follow up video to this. Not quite right unfortunately.

[@EnglishTMTB]

Tricky.... I think the mouthpiece dictates the tone more than the instrument itself in most cases - so I'm assuming that #1 and #3 are the cheap mouthpiece (which from the looks of it isn't a Wick clone - so the Wick will be noticeably darker - on these two clips the sound is brighter and more brittle). I'm gonna go with 3=D and 1=B on the basis that #1 is more resonant on the top G than #3 - top G going sharp (and having to be lipped down - which kills the resonance) is a typical "bad" note on a bad instrument and the loss of resonance implies that that's the worse instrument for that reason. So that leaves #2 and #4 with "C" and "A" - the better mouthpiece... much less to choose between, but there's a couple of little hins that sugest that (probably) #2 is A and #4 is C. So my prediction: 1:B 2:A 3:D 4:C (Ofcourse, the test is only as good as Trent's playing and the quality of the microphone being used.... it's also much more difficult to tell when only one instrument is played at a time - duet recordings of each would be much easier to tell, I think).

[@EnglishTMTB]

Nailed it

[@mausisbestwaifu8376]

Your my musical hero bro

[@berntd]

What was the answer in the end?

[@EnglishTMTB]

BADC

[@jackodoyle2061]

The new intro is great

[@Paul-rf8xs]

Check out James Morrison playing his garden hose horn.

[@Xzyum00]

I NEED to know what the intro to this is. Its chords are some of the richest most beautiful chords I have ever heard

[@vosbaker3005]

Luggage - it's from the middle of a piece called Slavische Fantasie by Carl Hohne

[@deraddi5522]

what is that for an instrument in the upper right corner? It looks like a french horn with perinet valves ^^

[@Thecornetmaster]

Hey id like your opinion on salvation army brass bands, like the international staff band, new York staff band and other salvation bands.

[@adeichsanrusdy7572]

Can someone please tell me what piece did he played on that cornet?

[@tylerhicks621]

CBDA

[@talesofpassion1995]

Tyler Hicks agreed

[@Trumpophone7]

CBDA is also the name for the California all state honor band And it just happens to be on a video with band instruments 😱

[@hermanteunissen990]

To me, at first hearing, no 1 is A, the rest i don't know but all sound lesser to me. I see almost nobody agrees with me. I'm a once upon a time trumpet player...about 50 yrs ago!

[@Azihayya]

I agree with you. I guessed ABDC. Lots of people saying that 2 is A, but what was are least clear to me was that 2 had the cheap mouth piece. I'm no trumpet expert though. Hmm...

[@EnglishTMTB]

@@Azihayya correct order was revealed in another video - it's BADC.

[@zacharygriffin6285]

1) B - good intonation from the expensive horn, missed articulations from cheap mouthpiece 2) A - solid intonation and articulations from both expensive parts 3) C - consistent articulations from expensive mouthpiece, poor intonation from cheap horn 4) D - intonation issues caused by cheap horn, pitch instability caused by the mouthpiece Am I wrong?

[@plunger9165]

Idk I put C, A, B, D

[@EnglishTMTB]

Unfortunately, yes - it's BADC. It's interesting, I think most people listened and ascribed a lot of the major differences to the instruments - the mouthpiece is really important, far more important than most players realize, but because we almost all use decent mouthpieces that tends to be off the radar. In this case the mouthpiece sets the tone - the expensive one is a Denis Wick (visible earlier in the video) and those tend to be quite dark sounding and particularly free blowing. The brighter sound and tighter slotting (less fluid runs) on the cheap mouthpiece in clips #1 and #3 show this. The clips can then be listened to again to separate clip #1 from #3 (both on cheap mouthpiece) and to separate clip #2 from #4. Again background knowledge comes into play, but on subpar brass instrument designs the top space E will sit flat and the G atop the staff will go sharp - in the clips, you can hear this is you're listening very carefully, but more importantly the fluidity through the run is much clearer on the better cornet where less manipulation is required - it's less obvious with the more expensive mouthpiece, but you'll still hear it if you listen back.

[@EnglishTMTB]

I'm not sure whether you might've mixed up C and D in the writing - the articulation is more consistent with the better mouthpiece (less clips), partly because the slots are more predictable with a better mouthpiece. Still, all of this is only as good as Trent's playing and the microphone BUT, I've done this twice (4 years apart) and got it right both times.

[@dbloese]

What is the piece Trent played?

[@teacher5376]

So warm, rich are bright of sound 's ...all are great.....I said money well spend

[@vidiupload4174]

BADC - That's the way I hear it; many seem to agree; some differ.

[@michaelmorales5807]

What is the piece called

[@aaronhastie830]

1b 2a 3c 4d

[@jimicalorne3104]

I like the fourth on best, it sounded a little more mellow to me.

[@trovjames30]

I think but maybe wrong 1:b 2:d 3:c 4:a

[@redonionicecream2751]

cbda

[@flyingpies]

1=C 2=A 3=B 4=D Sorry, I don't play cornet, this is just a guess - I very rarely here cornets in person, as well. Maybe if it was a trumpet?

[@martinushjertas6297]

CADB

[@mikestang679]

They are both delicious, and nonfattening instruments. Burp

[@montysoto8393]

Bdca?

[@eberhardtfreitag4212]

3d 1b 2c 4a

[@antiussentiment]

Noisy's guess A C B D.. ~ blank look on face ~

[@Nutball33]

Whats the song in the intro?

[@jameswalker210]

What peice was that?

[@Cyannas]

CADB Also I love the new intro. Panning (is that the right word?) the sound is a cool effect but it always threw me off. I like hearing something out of both channels at once.

[@JoshuaVo]

I'm a percussionist, they all sound vaguely the same. the only difference I can tell is the amount of "fuzziness" between the combos.

[@edstud1]

I like definitely like D! How can I get my hands on a D?

[@EnglishTMTB]

Nice and cheaply... Clip #4 is the "expensive" mouthpiece and cheap cornet. I wouldn't, personally, but that's up to you.

[@muckymuck_plays2817]

I like my cornet medium rare. But I respect your opinion.

[@itsaprilXD]

Hmmm... C, A, B, D? But then again, I'm a woodwind player and I can't tell brass quality to save my life hehe.

[@BuzZoo]

2 sounded by far the best for me.

[@limsoduh5277]

What's the outro song called?

[@Xzyum00]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZomzqoKLg9mWi6M

[@DarkMage967]

How do you get your grace notes to sound so good? I just can't get mine to sound like actual grace notes and I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing wrong.

[@fmonky]

Bryson H Grace notes to sound right just need proper air, as well as using the valves quickly. I mean if you don't have a good "attack" of the grace note then it won't come out, and even though they are short they take as much air as a full note to come out, just for a shorter time. And also the valves have to be in the correct position really quickly or it will sound half valved/not come out right. Just my input hope its useful

[@EnglishTMTB]

Pro tip: Using the same harmonic often helps. So let's say (for example) you're doing a grace note which is top space E to your proper note on a top line F - if you just use standard valves (E=open, F=1st) you're actually moving from an E open pitch to a G open pitch and compensating down with valves to create the F... If you use one of the alternative fingerings and play the E on 1st and 2nd valves, and the F on the standard 1st valve, you're actually using the same harmonic (which would be G open) and using valves to bring down to pitch.... Because you're using the same harmonic, it'll be cleaner 99/100. (The previous posters tips are excellent for general playing also, and would help here... I'm kinda taking correct playing as a given).

[@jakesizer6483]

1.D 2.A 3.C 4. B

[@emmanuelrodriguez1693]

ADCB - wait whats the right answer?

[@Brian-ey4xt]

My guesses: 1) cheap cornet + expensive mouthpiece 2) expensive cornet + expensive mouthpiece 3) cheap cornet + cheap mouthpiece 4) expensive cornet + cheap mouthpiece

[@billwieserman5677]

1. B 2. A - clear and round 3. D - fuzzy 4. C Where/when do you tell use the results?

[@EnglishTMTB]

They're in another video a couple further up the playlist. FWIW you got it right.

[@ericbleueldoesstuff9152]

DBAC... Now whats the answer?

[@EnglishTMTB]

BADC

[@EnglishTMTB]

It's in another video

[@gonou1472]

DACB　I think!

[@cacoutube]

A bit drunk'n stoned I hear All the same!!! Sould I note the diference? kkkkkk

[@AspartameBoy]

1. Good cornet good mp . The only rendition I liked. 2. Mouthpiece changed to cheap. 3. Cheap horn good mp 4. Crap horn crap mp

[@Daxxen.]

I wanna say the order is just reversed. I think i heard a fuller sound with that nicer mouthpiece. So |1 - D| |2 - C| |3 - B| |4 - A|

[@josehagting9526]

I think it is DCBA.

[@rifle2563]

You still got that mellophonium ?

[@TrentHamilton]

Yes, I do.

[@mattcoulter7]

CADB?

[@colinmills6250]

ACBD

[@lkj974]

oops meant ?ad?

[@michaelabbo2779]

1D 2C 3B 4A

[@hayesman76]

I was planning to give this video a Like as I love such comparison videos but since Trent hasn’t bothered to post the correct order even two years later I’ll refrain from doing so.

[@TrentHamilton]

*sigh* kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4TMnqeHepKFh7s

[@hayesman76]

Trent Hamilton Ok thanks. Finally. A Like it shall be after all! :-)

[@beilii]

New intro music. Cool! DABC

[@teacher5376]

1are A ...2 are B ...3 are c .... 4th are D....

[@robertmelde1423]

I liked the 2nd version.

[@greatvib3s]

CADB. I'll reply my reasoning when we are told the correct answer.

[@sebastianbaumann5701]

1A, 2C, 3B, 4D

[@jacquesdeghorain3162]

les différences sont tellement peu importantes que les énormes différences de prix ne se justifie absolument pas . C'est le PRIX DU SNOBISME qui fait la seule et véritable différence . Mais c'est parfait : tout le monde en a pour son argent et les pauvres que nous sommes souvent peuvent ENFIN se payer un bon instrument pour pas cher !!!! C'est ça , la démocratie , et pas la domination absolue du fric , hahahahahaha !!! Bravo le vilain méchant cornet "pas cher" . Tu es le vrai vainqueur du test !!!!

[@kfcmcnuggets1867]

1D 2A 3C 4B

[@Marie-fw8fl]

hi trent hamilton! :)) my dear, see the work more and more :=)

[@grappydingus]

Wild Guesses: BACD Off to the results!

[@zachsplep]

What is the answer?

[@EnglishTMTB]

BADC There's another video where it's revealed. I found it fairly clear anyway

[@kevinnguyen1008]

1-D

[@macmanTRL]

1=C, 2=A, 3=D, 4=B

[@SaraBeauty-hu7ox]

Why did I think he was going to eat cornet shaped chocolate 🍫