Cheap Stabilizer vs Gimbal

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NigelBarros

NigelBarros

Күн бұрын

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@MontellFishMusic
@MontellFishMusic 6 жыл бұрын
actually couldn’t tell the difference until your sister used it to film! Good content 📸
@tomjens2046
@tomjens2046 6 жыл бұрын
interesting, I have zero experience with video and it was pretty clear that first one was more shaky.
@analuisabenitez
@analuisabenitez 5 жыл бұрын
me too! jejejeje
@J_claud
@J_claud 5 жыл бұрын
Aye, its Montell Fish!
@FitnessFourLife
@FitnessFourLife 5 жыл бұрын
loool
@pe1etr
@pe1etr 5 жыл бұрын
Ditto.
@davidlongenecker9414
@davidlongenecker9414 6 жыл бұрын
I actually use a glidecam for my professional work. It takes a bit of technique, but once you have it down, you can get 90% of the same shots. And you don't need batteries, and it will never glitch out... Like I always say, physics will never malfunction.
@MyFriendlyPup
@MyFriendlyPup 5 жыл бұрын
Bearings can. Lol
@loganconnmusic7314
@loganconnmusic7314 5 жыл бұрын
MyFriendlyPup far less likely. Especially with good bearings.
@THEMATT222
@THEMATT222 5 жыл бұрын
.....until you want to change the focal length!!
@MrLennonson
@MrLennonson 5 жыл бұрын
@@MyFriendlyPup hahahahaha agree with u!
@hqmediaprod
@hqmediaprod 5 жыл бұрын
And having the skill is👌
@TheCrowleyCrew
@TheCrowleyCrew 6 жыл бұрын
The steady cam was not exactly as smooth but it didn't have the weird bouncing movement that plagues gimbals. Both require learning before you get cinematic results. Good comparison and clever to use someone that hasn't used them to show the difference skill makes with the steady cam.
@Kelkschiz
@Kelkschiz 6 жыл бұрын
I like that you showed how much difference the skill level makes: gimbals good for everyone, and steadicam only good with skill. I recently bought a cheap steadicam and was surprised by how difficult it was. The balancing alone was a nightmare.
@dakhos
@dakhos 6 жыл бұрын
That's because you bought the cheaper one, also owned chepo for 2-3 years, got better with time but still it is worse than glidecam hd, recently bought used hd2000 for 170 and oh man that thing is so easy
@NicolasWaldvogel
@NicolasWaldvogel 6 жыл бұрын
I actually thought the cheap gimbal looked better when you did the test. It just seems more natural and organic (and therefore more cinematic) than the motorized one. The only motorized gimbal that didn't seem robotic to me is the Ronin S! Thanks for the video:)
@tillfischer1908
@tillfischer1908 5 жыл бұрын
That's the point! That's why even in Hollywood the mostly shoot with steadycams it's much more natural and cinematic👌🏼
@TopblokeGolf
@TopblokeGolf 5 жыл бұрын
Till Fischer I’m watching a top Netflix film now, and it’s all jerky hand movement style shots,
@dameanvil
@dameanvil 5 ай бұрын
0:00 📹 Introduces two stabilizers from different price ranges: Home Tech iStudy Gear ($400) and Cisno ($40) 0:12 💸 Describes Home Tech as an electronic 3-axis gimbal 0:21 🛠 Explains Cisno as a mechanical gimbal with manual balancing 0:48 🎯 Plans to compare footage from both stabilizers and reveal which is which 1:45 📊 Invites viewers to guess which footage looks best 1:51 🧑‍🤝‍🧑 Little sister will operate both gimbals to demonstrate ease of use 2:36 🔍 Reveals Shot A was Cisno ($40) and Shot B was Home Tech ($400) 2:47 🤔 Prefers the $400 stabilizer for ease of use and smoother shots 3:06 🔋 Notes advantages of the $40 stabilizer: no batteries, waterproof, portable 3:24 🛠 Mentions a full review of the Home Tech gimbal available 3:34 📏 Highlights Home Tech's capacity to hold 5.5 pounds
@Noojtxeeg
@Noojtxeeg 6 жыл бұрын
Very glad that you decided to explain that it took some skill to use the cheaper option as well as showing the difference in skill. I feel like many KZbinrs would have left this part out.
@jeremyc1992
@jeremyc1992 6 жыл бұрын
This was the most straightforward and honest comparison between the two. Subscribed!
@NatesFilmTutorials
@NatesFilmTutorials 6 жыл бұрын
The Steadicam feels more fluid and natural
@NigelBarros
@NigelBarros 6 жыл бұрын
I think so too, but the gimbal is definitely more consistent!
@NatesFilmTutorials
@NatesFilmTutorials 6 жыл бұрын
NigelBarros good point, maybe worth having both. Biggest thing I wanna have is to get the shot quickly in as few takes possible. I’m finding it more annoying to try to get it right handheld.
@nightcoder5k
@nightcoder5k 6 жыл бұрын
Some movements make it look more natural, and sometimes that's what you want. I bet a bit of post-stabilization would smooth that out if needed.
@StayingAfloat
@StayingAfloat 5 жыл бұрын
it wouldn't work for me cause I jump with it in my hand's XD filming freerunning
@bruhdabones
@bruhdabones 5 жыл бұрын
CODER QN or a bit of post camera shake effect 😂 going the other way
@martinf9626
@martinf9626 6 жыл бұрын
I use both . The stabilizer for more natural look or cinematic mood and the Crane 2 for more technical scene . but the only problem i encountered with the stabilizer is when you are outside and you have to much wind . then you can't use it . and yes you need a lot of practice to operate the Stabilizer. I use a Canon T7I with a big wide angle Tamron 10-24 mm
@Noname304y2u2
@Noname304y2u2 6 жыл бұрын
That cheap stabilizer design use to cost about 400 dollars back in the day.
@aMoneyYell
@aMoneyYell 6 жыл бұрын
SPOT ON! They USED to be HELLA expensive
@JeremyGalloway
@JeremyGalloway 6 жыл бұрын
I knew I wasn’t crazy!
@alphasiera1757
@alphasiera1757 5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Lauw10
@Lauw10 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I bought one for €200,- wonder wher it's now🤔
@ashevilletrainman6989
@ashevilletrainman6989 4 жыл бұрын
Cuz they actually worked. Usually cheap things =crappy ISH, noticeable cheaper, and expensive items are expected to work well . These worked well. They got away with the $400 cuz people got it and actually got something out of it.
@almanages
@almanages 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for providing this very interesting comparison Nigel. I appreciate your down to Earth approach and format. It's entertaining, short to the point and very informative. Good Job!
@Mike0193Azul
@Mike0193Azul 4 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the video and honesty on both systems. I'll be getting a stabilizer for now and a gimbal later on
@theiammike123
@theiammike123 Жыл бұрын
Having both is a solid investment. Not only you can bring out your traditional when the gimbal's battery suddenly runs out. Not also when you'll be shooting a rainy scene (unless the gimbal's waterproof). You can also save your gimbal for definitely camera-intensive scenes by using the traditional for otherwise. Best of both worlds. 📸
@itsKEVO
@itsKEVO 6 жыл бұрын
This makes me feel better that I went out and got a 3 axis gimbal from using my glidecam hd2000..stable footage with minimal enough or skill. Great content man glad I found your channel and yes I've hit the bell lol
@Tokiofritz
@Tokiofritz 3 жыл бұрын
The great thing with Nigel is that he understands not everyone can spend $400 on a gimbal. Another budget gimbal video on here starts at $500!
@nilent
@nilent 5 жыл бұрын
My inexpensive Vixia HFR800 already has pretty good digital stabilization. When combined with the inexpensive mechanical stabilizer *and* a skilled/attentive technique it should do a great job! Your review was very helpful, thanks.
@fizikone1973
@fizikone1973 4 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for the tutorial on how to balance the $40 gimbal.
@HitWaveMusic
@HitWaveMusic 4 жыл бұрын
I used to have a glide cam but it got stolen on a gig. There is a very large learning curve with just being able to set it up to be balanced. And as soon as you change your lens the entire balance gets thrown off... or even if you just flip open your lcd screen... it will have to be re-balanced. Honestly it was a pain to use.
@hannessassenberg7341
@hannessassenberg7341 6 жыл бұрын
Honestly I am using that cheap stabilizer since few month for my LUMIX G6 and it works very well. If you ask me this is the Must have for budget beginner! For me it’s like this Gold Medal: Gimbal Silver Medal: Glidecam (btw if you buy it second hand it’s around 150 bugs) Bronze Medal: cheap stabilizer
@summers9218
@summers9218 2 жыл бұрын
The steadycam is what I still bought in 2021. I am never a fan of gimbal because it cant turn quickly, it glitches frequently. In smoothness the steadycam is a bad ass when it comes to cenematic shots. I love it even more.
@themockingjay3173
@themockingjay3173 5 жыл бұрын
I'm amazed by the place .... The pine trees looks amazing
@kelasbebas8742
@kelasbebas8742 Жыл бұрын
I have both of these kinds of stabilizer. Both have same purpose, to stabilize. But each of it has different specific purpose. I will keep to use the steadycam for some kind of shooting. It has natural feel and sometimes its all what i want, not too steady, but feels live.
@jorgem50
@jorgem50 6 жыл бұрын
I've always preferred the smoothness of a stabilizer but with the right gimbal, camera, and IBIS you can get amazing buttery smooth footage from a gimbal.
@KosmatiBohem
@KosmatiBohem 3 жыл бұрын
Before I watch video: I reckon mechanical gimbal will give smoother footage with no jerkiness, but more floating. Electronic gimbal will give footage perfectly level with horizon, but more jerky (sudden correction, small jitter). Manual gimbal demand perfect balancing that can be very fiddly and tedious with cheap gimbals and every gram of change on setup counts against balance, while gyro-gimbals excuse a lot of mistakes with expense of less smooth image. Now, let's go watching. :)
@phill_super-beardmay3970
@phill_super-beardmay3970 3 жыл бұрын
The UPS truck and the end made me laugh. I'm a UPS driver and am learning photography and video. I bet that driver loves driving out there.
@markusgroyss3262
@markusgroyss3262 6 жыл бұрын
I personally prefer the Steadycam look because it‘s more natural and you can operate it better - especially for slow slider like movements. only prefer the gimbal for higher speed shots (dirt bike etc.)
@creativesymon
@creativesymon 5 жыл бұрын
Your experienced use of the stabilizer was 100% passable and usable. So much + for something with no batteries needed etc. BUT...I'd take a motorised one if anyone was offering! Ha! But the prices of gimbals is getting above that of actual cameras and we need to all say "NO" to that shit. It's purely taking advantage.
@GMCobh
@GMCobh 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, your sister demonstrated the difference well. Gimbals were also used on Apollo missions, which is why I came here. Thanks again :)
@pacificostudios
@pacificostudios 3 жыл бұрын
Attaching a monopod to a camera and using image stabilization works well for me. Then I can stabilize further in post for rock-solid shots. However, thanks for showing how much better a gimbal is. My B Camera, a Canon XC10, would be perfect on a gimbal.
@baz6128
@baz6128 3 жыл бұрын
Dude your videos are gold. GOLD!!
@josephedwardnancheta3286
@josephedwardnancheta3286 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, I would go for the cheap stabiliser. I would agree to what you said about the no-need batteries and the waterproof side. I do a lot of outdoor shots and recharging batteries would be a problem. Thanks for this info video.
@giallodreams
@giallodreams 6 жыл бұрын
this location you shot in looks so cool, i really need to check out the PNW one day
@kraftistbumerang
@kraftistbumerang 2 жыл бұрын
First take which you used stabilizer cisno is the best. When you use the gombal its a little more stricted and stressful footage for me. first one suits the scene emotionally most.
@rorsharch
@rorsharch 3 жыл бұрын
I could tell the difference easily. However, I think there’s something to the shake of a steadicam that looks good.
@tillfischer1908
@tillfischer1908 5 жыл бұрын
Heyy there, it's incredibly difficult to master a steadycam and I think it's one of the hardest techniques in filmmaking at all. Even in big movie productions the DoPs use steadycams over gimbal (Emanuel Lutzbezki got famos threw his steadycam skills). So gimbals are just more practical and easier to use (for getting much better footage much faster) but when you are good with a steadycam you can even achieve better results. Just check out @mattihaapoja or @parkerwalbeck.
@tillfischer1908
@tillfischer1908 5 жыл бұрын
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@NabidHasan
@NabidHasan 5 жыл бұрын
Finally KZbin feed suggested something I was looking for!!
@Bobster986
@Bobster986 5 жыл бұрын
The advantage of using a electronic gimbal is that you can focus all your effort on composition vs keeping it stable.
@dharmikrajasekhar1938
@dharmikrajasekhar1938 6 жыл бұрын
I was expecting you would say the 40$ gimbal is better at it's price man you are truly genuine love you love this video enjoyed the shots man
@swartgb6973
@swartgb6973 6 жыл бұрын
The A looked better actually. Good job !
@ConflictMedia
@ConflictMedia 5 жыл бұрын
40$ Steadycam looks good, but in this video you don't really push both to their limits. Slow walking should be easy for both. I would like to see a video in which you compare them in extreme conditions :D Anyways a great video!
@joelgrizzel8371
@joelgrizzel8371 6 жыл бұрын
I just think you'd make a great brother in law. What a guy.
@YourOwnAdventure
@YourOwnAdventure 6 жыл бұрын
Glidecam always looks better! I still use mine because I don't have to worry about batteries running out.
@Thedanielmart
@Thedanielmart 5 жыл бұрын
I feel ya, I have the Ronin-S and still seem to use my GlideCam a ton because its so damn reliable..
@mchampag
@mchampag 6 жыл бұрын
Great demonstration, and beautiful image, as usual! I'm surprised at how much those mechanical stabilizers are coming down in price (presumably because the gimbals are getting cheaper). A year or so ago, they were $100 or more.
@atarassi
@atarassi 6 жыл бұрын
I have the same steadycam and I agree. I prefer spend 40$ and take the time to learn how to handle and walk with, improve my technique, than spend 400$
@GadgetInspector
@GadgetInspector 6 жыл бұрын
That must be one quiet road. Makes for some cool shots.
@HitWaveMusic
@HitWaveMusic 4 жыл бұрын
Your link in the description was broken.
@wheeliebrady9294
@wheeliebrady9294 3 жыл бұрын
I ride electric unicycle and want to have an extension pole to film any ideas? I have canon 6 d but want to set it up with gimble extension pole ect.
@SmokinMcPot
@SmokinMcPot 4 жыл бұрын
nice video dude. thanks for the demo.
@MightyMonk360
@MightyMonk360 5 жыл бұрын
Her face in the video 😂😂😂made my day 😂
@JasonMichaelKotarski
@JasonMichaelKotarski 5 жыл бұрын
Good comparison, very noticeable but I can see where one might benefit for a "look" over the other (whether that's steadier or "homemade") A) I notice I focused more on the background moving around and the subject was second B) I focused on the subject and she had more movement in her stride with a smoother background that wasn't distracting.
@ScarlettVisualsEnt
@ScarlettVisualsEnt 5 жыл бұрын
is it me or was Shot "A" a lot better then Shot" B"? felt/looked a lot smoother . cool comparison , helpful. thank you.
@thanhdat2212
@thanhdat2212 Жыл бұрын
it's because the sister didn't walk as smooth as him
@isabellagalimberti
@isabellagalimberti 5 жыл бұрын
Heyyy Nigel! It would be great if you could record a video about how you manually write on screen, thats so cool!
@Record503S
@Record503S 6 жыл бұрын
the $40 cisno is now $52.99, wtf, lol
@mister.richiemusic
@mister.richiemusic 5 жыл бұрын
Yes jahahaha I saw the same too!
@alwaysbenicesmileoften8492
@alwaysbenicesmileoften8492 4 жыл бұрын
Hahahaaa
@ashevilletrainman6989
@ashevilletrainman6989 4 жыл бұрын
Cuz people increased buying
@adamh.7940
@adamh.7940 6 жыл бұрын
It was easy to tell right away. It was obvious that A was $40, due to the slight swinging motion in the shot. In shot B, it was clear that it was filmed with the iSteady, due to the shot looking perfect.
@lostvlog6857
@lostvlog6857 3 жыл бұрын
I just purchased this Cisno, it was used with no instructions, I've watched several videos on how to balance different stabilizers but It just spins out of control, any suggestions?
@Nearlyloved865
@Nearlyloved865 4 жыл бұрын
I want that CISNO. Period.
@Ben-rz9cf
@Ben-rz9cf 6 жыл бұрын
At the 400$ price range you can get the zhiyun crane plus now. Really great gimbal with some really advanced features, well worth the money
@justinperkins4353
@justinperkins4353 5 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right, however it takes a lot of time to balance and master the stabilizer... I spent hours trying to get it balanced and then using it properly was extremely hard. I finally gave up tossed it in the closet and purchased a gimbal .....
@madedigital
@madedigital 5 жыл бұрын
The other thing is weight of camera won’t be limited also weather proof
@JPSRose
@JPSRose 5 жыл бұрын
Do you think the cheap mechanical gimbal would be ok with a very light camera, like the Samsung Gear 360? I'd like to experiment with using it on trips, but I don't want to break the bank doing so. Cheers!
@serheyvasyuryna7708
@serheyvasyuryna7708 6 жыл бұрын
I have same cheap stabilizer as your. Not bad for my first device. More better than handheld shooting, especially when you're shooting in 60 fps.
@EpicAdrian3D
@EpicAdrian3D 5 жыл бұрын
I'll be honest. I thought you were on a green screen the whole time:)
@rob9386
@rob9386 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@oDzTV
@oDzTV 5 жыл бұрын
40$ still out of my budget xD
@userouyuy
@userouyuy 4 жыл бұрын
oDzTV true! 😂
@braedenolewnik5485
@braedenolewnik5485 4 жыл бұрын
Lol same
@juanpinate7319
@juanpinate7319 4 жыл бұрын
U still broke man? :(
@bauszczyk8121
@bauszczyk8121 3 жыл бұрын
same lol
@danfuerthgillis4483
@danfuerthgillis4483 2 жыл бұрын
One thing people don't understand about the older system of Steadicam is the operator has to take on 40 lbs on the body as the system is based on inertia so it requires a heavy setup in order to actually glide/ float through space. No gimbal in the world can match even a Steadicam from the 1980's. They 2 different tools that have nothing to do with each other. You can hybrid Steadicam and use Gimbals but this defeats the floating through space look of the Steadicam.
@daisigner
@daisigner 4 жыл бұрын
Gosh, I laugh my a** off when your sister tried the Cheaper Gimbal...
@JyrkiS
@JyrkiS 6 жыл бұрын
This was great and informative test, especially since you showed how it looks when pro uses both and how it looks when totally new person uses both.
@DTRBrianMallard
@DTRBrianMallard 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info! I've always wondered how that 40 dollar rig worked, cool.
@hgoneci
@hgoneci 7 ай бұрын
I thinki somebody thought that, what if, I mount the gimbal on the stabilizer. how about together using.. please test it for us.
@david_potvin15
@david_potvin15 6 жыл бұрын
Is the music used an instrumental of “Breach” by The Tower and the Fool by any chance?
@mikenaughton4298
@mikenaughton4298 5 жыл бұрын
Nicely done. Great info. Thanks!
@123mbcline
@123mbcline 5 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done review, I hope to see more from you. keep up the nice work.
@thekp503
@thekp503 6 жыл бұрын
Do you know how long this gimbal has been on the market? Not many reviews online and even less in the U.S. I would love a gimbal but can't afford the ronin s. I was looking at the fosicam fm1-45 last year but it was discontinued I hear. I'd hate to spend $400 and this thing explodes the next day and the company pulls up the tent stakes and leaves town the same day.
@WilliamMcAlpine777
@WilliamMcAlpine777 6 жыл бұрын
You're video came at the perfect time for me! I'm looking at getting a €50 stabiliser. The footage looked good.
@redshiftmedia2485
@redshiftmedia2485 3 жыл бұрын
did your camera lens have OSS? do you think that we can stabilized shots with average technique without OSS
@IvoPavlik
@IvoPavlik 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice comparison! Is the shown footage stabilised in the post production or directly in the camera or is it the actual raw footage?
@jeffmurnahan
@jeffmurnahan 4 жыл бұрын
To get the highest bit rate with a Panasonic gh2, do you have to use the avchd format or whatever it’s called? And if you do, is there a way to easily get it onto my phone so I can use lumafusion to edit?
@jeffmurnahan
@jeffmurnahan 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t want to use my laptop since it sucks when it comes to editing, and putting the videos on my laptop first would be a huge hassle of an extra step. I’d like to be able to transfer them to my phone directly if possible
@MobileFilmmaking
@MobileFilmmaking 5 жыл бұрын
My gimbal died while making my new short so it would have been great to have that mechanical one as a back up. Do you think it would work ok with a mobile phone? Do you have any videos on how to use it?
@sketchbyty507
@sketchbyty507 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Nigel, i m using a panasonic g6 with a rode mic and i cant seem to stop the hiss. Can you pls tell me how you fixed that? Thx.
@BKrandy0
@BKrandy0 6 ай бұрын
I guessed wrong, lol. For me not having to deal with battery life is a big deal and why I will go with a stabilizer over an electronic gimbal
@Spartan117A51
@Spartan117A51 5 жыл бұрын
Could already tell A was mechanical. Lol but it's still super smooth
@jemenade
@jemenade 3 жыл бұрын
Where can I buy the stabilizer gimble?
@jacqui7531
@jacqui7531 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing this!
@Veypurr1
@Veypurr1 4 жыл бұрын
A gimbal we eventually give you a problem in the field when you are really counting on it.
@SCREAMOguy413
@SCREAMOguy413 5 жыл бұрын
what lens was being used during the main shot of you talking?
@NigelBarros
@NigelBarros 5 жыл бұрын
This whole video was filmed on the DJi 15mm f1.7
@armouredphoenix25
@armouredphoenix25 5 жыл бұрын
Such a nice guy man
@komnothet
@komnothet 6 жыл бұрын
The camera that you use to test have body stabilizer?
@komnothet
@komnothet 6 жыл бұрын
Or stabilizer on the len?
@NigelBarros
@NigelBarros 6 жыл бұрын
No, the lens and body are not stabilized
@komnothet
@komnothet 6 жыл бұрын
@@NigelBarros thanks
@jejakbayang8522
@jejakbayang8522 5 жыл бұрын
A6000 & sigma 16mm can be good in steadicam bro?
@KiR_3d
@KiR_3d Жыл бұрын
Hi! Is 400$ stabilizer weather resistant?
@ChocoLater1
@ChocoLater1 6 жыл бұрын
Obviously if you looking for steady simple shots then steadycam is the one. But for more creative people we all know what we going for. I've got Feiyu Tech AK2000 and it's a smashing gimbal.
@topicruben
@topicruben 6 жыл бұрын
😲 incredible!!! Thanks dude 👍👍👍
@DeeKaye421
@DeeKaye421 5 жыл бұрын
Sup Dude. Names Drew. I’m best buds with your brother Levi. Looking at cheap gimble reviews and found this one and recognized your sister. Small world haha anyway keep up the good work my friend!!
@JamesDoylesGarage
@JamesDoylesGarage 4 жыл бұрын
I was able to tell the difference first time out. But you did great the first time. I'd go for the $40 unit until I win the lottery.
@charrynsasitube
@charrynsasitube 4 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@geraldbertram7718
@geraldbertram7718 6 жыл бұрын
How much does the Hohem gimbal block the back of the screen?
@NigelBarros
@NigelBarros 6 жыл бұрын
My Gh3 screen flips out so it doesn't block it at all, but with something like a sony it probably would block it a lot
@churchsantana9462
@churchsantana9462 3 жыл бұрын
Nigel, How long did you have to practice with the steadycam to get those tracking shots that smooth?
@pramesh40
@pramesh40 6 жыл бұрын
Can u make the same video but then filming faster objects, like sport?
@KosmatiBohem
@KosmatiBohem 3 жыл бұрын
After seeing video: yeah, I guessed. You have really trained hand for manual gimbal.
@EricMyles
@EricMyles 6 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! to the average eye I dont think it'd be too clear which was which. I for one could tell from the first shot haha
@anthonyalfonso2279
@anthonyalfonso2279 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info dude!
5 жыл бұрын
Nice job Dude
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