Cheap Watch ≠ Good Watch

[@JustOneMoreWatch]

Them's fightin' words Jory! Lets meet half way, say Hawaii, and sort this out like men! ;)

[@ZaidKhan-ij6zn]

Just One More Watch !!!!!!!

[@elbowroomtube]

Hellooooo....! & Welcome to Just One More Watch! :)

[@thetimeteller]

I don’t want any trouble!! I promise!! 😫 🤣😂👍

[@ryansantaana]

Hellooooooooo to these hands! LoL

[@michaelssoftbinbows3237]

Uh oh! JOMO's been on the bucky!

[@AlanJWatkins]

Vostok Amphibia is like the Millennium Falcon, it's from a time long ago and a world far far away, and it may not look like much, but she's got it where it counts, kid!

[@illyth63]

Imagine that I've uploaded that gif of Orson Welles applauding here. Well said.

[@joshedward420]

Love my vostok

[@PatrickHuyghe]

Incredible analogy

[@FernaManu]

Own three Vostok watches. Quality is awful and all, after several months of use, we’re loosing several minutes per day. Interesting watches, but keep away from them. They are ok as a curiosity and that’s why people are buying them.

[@duybear4023]

You came to rescue me wearing That? You're braver than I thought!

[@RockyOwl]

Vostok's are cheap, but they have charm. That charm is why we love something like a vostok.

[@vext01]

Very utilitarian. The combat trousers of the watch world.

[@NLJamba]

Vostok has so much going for them: original design, a respectable history, dated but innovative case design, quirky watch faces, automatic, in house movement that are solid, easy to maintain and cheap to replace, great dome plexiglass, screw down crown and a gazillion meters water resistance. These are rock solid watches at a great price. I wish you could see past the wobbly crown and see these watches for what the are: great value for the money. I agree with the statement that cheap is not the same as good. And Pagani, Invicta and all those cheap knock off watches lack originality and value, imo. But I prefer my Vostok Amphibia over many other watches! VOSTOK FOREVER! 🇷🇺🏴‍☠️

[@doug4974]

The wobbly crown is actually a protective feature to protect against impact damage. So I've been told.

[@JP23456]

Agree. I do enjoy Jory's manic shows, but he should have done some more research esp. on the crown, before writing off the Vostok. I rebuttal on the Vostok story is OK, but giving Vostok the back of your hand is not OK.

[@SomeAngryGuy1997]

To be fair, the wobbly crown, albeit super effective, is quite dated. Vostok themselves make more modern diving watches, which they have named 'Amfibia'. Note the F, it's important.

[@doug4974]

@@SomeAngryGuy1997 I actually prefer the "Eastern Bloc" look tbh.

[@SomeAngryGuy1997]

@@doug4974 I like it too. It's not like there aren't options, though.

[@benjamincarlson4893]

My favorite is the people who choose neither low price nor quality and buy MVMT.

[@fidelfernandez7534]

😂😂

[@FK-wz3hn]

🤣🤣🤣

[@thibaultdubaret9863]

nailed it! 🤣

[@cameron02]

I’m brand new to watches and they almost got me with that bs marketing, ended up going with a timex and have no regrets

[@juanmigueltulud9337]

Vostoks are affordable, fun and they have character. I love them for that.

[@johnrand9799]

Steve Zissou, he most influential oceanographer of all time, wore a Vostock Amphibia. I stand with Zissou!

[@antone1060]

inexpensive does not always equal cheap. Vostok is watch history and should be recognized as such.

[@AguilaEmplumada]

exactly what I was thinking.

[@davidhammond9336]

I have had a Vostok for 5 years taken out surfing regularly, wear on the weekends when gardening, digging, building stuff and generally giving it a hard time. Still going strong, just my experience.

[@SeventhShin]

The "wobbly" crown is not connected to anything until it needs to be, i.e. when setting the time/winding. So hitting the crown on something won't transfer force into the movement. I'd call that clever engineering, not "designed to be trash" but whatever floats your boat my dude.

[@Nefville]

100% agree. In fact I bought my dads Komanderskie last night and it being a manual wind I was a little more iffy about the wobbly crown than my Amphibia but nope, no issue. Pull it out a tad while winding and it's all good. Vostok makes great stuff.

[@thedepartedmack1284]

He's aware of that design principle. Obviously. That doesn't mean he has to like it or he needs you to patronizingly explain it again. But hey, whatever floats your boat, my guy.

[@eggsII]

@@thedepartedmack1284 someone’s trying to win a free TTT cartoon T-shirt...

[@thedepartedmack1284]

@@eggsII how'd you know?

[@SeventhShin]

Not quite sure I’d use “obviously” in fact, it sounds like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

[@ianbeausejour11]

I have a Pagani Design PD-1645. I bought the watch knowing fully well that it was a blatant rip off of the datejust and that there was a risk that I would get a lemon. It is a gamble, no doubt about it. With this being said, the only negatives I've found so far is that the clasp is a bit sharp on the edges and the clasp extension is really hard to pop out and place back in. The watch has an nh35 movement, sapphire crystal, solid link jubilee bracelet with screw links, milled clasp, display case back, cyclops that actually magnifies well and is not too far off center. All this for less than 100 USD. The kicker, the NH35 in it when on wrist runs roughly +3 seconds a day... How can I not be satisfied with this. I can't afford to spend 9k on a datejust, I wish I could, but I can't. I bought the watch because I like the design but am not rich enough to get a real Rolex. I don't pretend it's a Rolex either, I know exactly what I have and I enjoy it every time it's on wrist. Feel free to not like it and dislike it due to the fact that it's an homage. I understand your point of view, I just happen to disagree with it. Bang for buck, it's hard to get better specs than that.

[@Ubertechgirl66]

+1

[@MatthewHolmes86]

This is such an interesting topic in all because I identify with you completely, and yet I also understand for a business stand point supporting the company that actually designed it. I also cannot afford a Rolex... and probably never will be able too... so i get it. My opinion is based off availability. Rolex not available PD is available... so PD it is lol

[@sidd98110]

You do realise that the name is copied from a car company Pagani, Pagani Design seems like a Chinese man idea of a cool brand name, A, the name- Porsche Design ~ Pagani Design. B, the design, Rolex Daytona ~Pagani design $75 watch. I'm a huge fan of Pagani's craftsmanship, I know I won't be never able to afford one, but the design, the science, the perfection that goes into making the Zonda or the huayra is just astonishing. I can't digest that some stupid guy would come into the scene out of nowhere and trademark the name and have sucess at the name of Horacio's hardwork. Just look at the craftsmanship of a Zonda or a Huayra, you might just throw your "Pagani Design" out the window.

[@chriszivoder2650]

I'm not a fan of homage watches but I completely agree with your comment. Some people/most people can't afford or even want to pay £10k on a watch. So to be able to enjoy the design without breaking the bank is gap in the market that can be exploited and I for one understand that to be a good thing. I just hope it doesn't detract those companies from making their own original designs though.

[@damyr]

While I can't understand why they just verbatim copy/paste other design instead of making their own, or at least enriching someone else's with a bit of twist (how hard is to design a freaking dial???), companies like Pagani certainly demonstrate how stupid is to give too much money for a watch from a big ass company, as they are totally overpriced. That said, I would never buy a Rolex, even if I'm a billionaire. Paying $20k (like the new Submariner) for something which is worth about $500-1,000 max is just monumentally stupid (and I don't even want to mention how they made it worse than Chinese as its bezel isn't aligned with the dial). Actually, I consider such people are nothing but a bunch of clowns. And btw, I just remembered Bill Gates who wears a $20 Casio. At least there's one smart rich man.

[@mekketabo]

I can't agree on the vostok. I am not a Vostok fanboy, my dad has a Vostok Komandirskie from 30 years ago and it still runs. Already the history behind the brand makes this a very interesting time piece to have. The Vostok Amphibia is a fun watch to to go swimming, or doing other types of activities without being scared to break it. They also have in house movements ( I know the movements are absolutely not the best but still having an in house movement in such an affordable watch is very unique). I wouldn't hate too much on that brand, but that's just my opinion

[@UncleSkiBum]

I think of it like the AK-47, it's not exactly pretty, made up of odds and ends but is reliable and sturdy and has a rich and colourful history 😎

[@michaelssoftbinbows3237]

Even the kommandirskie is waterproof enough for swimming! Been swimming at least 50 times with mine and been in steam rooms with it. Never had a drop of water get in the works.

[@christopherwernette1648]

TTT, I like you but definitely don't agree with you on Vostok Amphinia specifically. I own one and have swam with it for over 5 years and it still ticks great. Not the most accurate and definitely feels its price, but the water resistance is good and I like it as a good beater watch.

[@Pete...NoNotThatOne]

Yep, if you’ve got a good Timegrapher app, or even a weishi, it’s actually pretty easy to regulate them, done it to all of mine. One tip though, when using the Timegrapher, make sure you set lift angle to 42 degrees, otherwise your amplitude and beat error figures will be out.

[@HeliosFish]

Yup, zero guilt if my vostok picks up a few bumps and bruises. They’re not the prettiest but it allows enjoyment of an automatic without worrying about babying it.

[@cdb5001]

So, while your opinion is to be respected as much as anyone else's, you're also entitled to be "wrong", as you are here about the Vostok. You were also "wrong" about the Casio Duro. Wrong is in quotations here because it's all subjective, but also because they are in fact very good timepieces. Both capable of taking incredible amounts of pressure (over the advertised number, the Vostok as much as 800m), and outperforming luxury watches designed for the same purpose. However, props for being willing to take the abuse and not shying away from the negative comments, as other known watch KZbinrs are well known to do.

[@alessandrozuffi5068]

I can agree with you on many things, but not on Vostok, they're great little watches with great history, I own two, I'm talking out of experience and I have more expensive watches so I'm not a fanboy because I can't get better stuff.

[@eggsII]

Important to note: It is also true that just because you spend a lot on a watch doesn’t mean that you’re getting good value for a watch. Pretty sure a Rolex Daytona is unattainable for most people. If people buy a Pagani for the aesthetic... well...

[@Happyfacehotwheels]

Do you own any affordable watches that are not made by Casio?

[@1233-d3h]

Vostok watches are amazing for the money.

[@nikolapredragovic1692]

There is a point, but there were generations that wore Vostoks for decades, and then TT says it's a disposable watch. It's an outdated case design, well that sounds like it could be an Oyster case, what's they point of changing something that works well?

[@delphi-moochymaker62]

Vostok is like a modern throwback. Almost like New/old stock. Has a lot of charm because of its quirks.

[@ErikSWE]

I bet that Dailos will break before a Восток.

[@JackOnWrist]

ur so right

[@DD-ix3bm]

Yep you nailed it

[@whatsstefon]

Yep... typing this while wearing my near 40 year old Vostok mechanical.

[@YoungXLNC]

The wobbly crown is a haute horology complication...vacheron wishes they could pull off something that technically impressive!!!

[@Watchtrain]

WORD!!!

[@jcm9698]

I bought a Kommanderskie because I was looking for a field watch with a yellow dial and numerical indices, and no other watch out there could give me that. I like it, it's fun, and with the yellow dial, I've noticed people taking a second look. Granted it's not a technological marvel, it's just a fun quirky watch - life is short enjoy what you have.

[@IStillLikeIke]

You just don’t get the point of homages then. We don’t want an original design. We want the classic design with great specs and a low price. It’s not easy to do what companies like Pagani Design do. Those specs are incredible for the price and it very difficult to manufacture them that well for the price.

[@faalbmusic]

Sorry Jory, I love you, man, but the Vostok watches are cute. Not good, but cute. Like fluffy kittens. Don't hurt them.

[@UncleSkiBum]

Love mine, russian mate brought me one back from factory shop.

[@faalbmusic]

@@UncleSkiBum I'm from Hungary. Meranom is the best Vostok selling homepage. Try it, and probably you'll love it. 🙂 PS.: Neptune Vostoks are the best!

[@johndudley9118]

@@faalbmusic greetings ! I have many and they are tough and reliable ! Cheers 👍

[@UncleSkiBum]

@@faalbmusic thanks man will defo look at the site. For me part of the joy of my amphibia is that is was a present from a Russian whoa uncle works at Vostok so it's got great sentimental value too

[@michaelssoftbinbows3237]

@Will Hooton I wish they did! They're 850 roubles cheaper than meranom!

[@royfarrand1268]

I am literally wearing a vostok Amphibia 710 right now!

[@enriqueparedespinel1694]

I'm looking to buy my first vostok, a green or orange Neptune.

[@royfarrand1268]

@@enriqueparedespinel1694 I've got a green 420 that I love and this aqua color 710 that I adore! Can't go wrong with any of them imo. Buy straight from their website though.

[@Watchtrain]

I wore two different Vostoks yesterday - an Amphibia and a Komandirskie. I own five. I own Swiss luxury. I love my Vostoks for the same reasons I love my other watches - Horology, digital and analog technology, and just plain fun. I am wearing my first automatic watch right now, an Invicta Pro Diver 8926OB. It is one of 49 watches that I own, but it started my automatic evolution. Just enjoy them. No need to judge.

[@royfarrand1268]

@@Watchtrain my komandirskie is one ofy favs too. Tacky gold with a tank and red star. Gets more compliments than my "good" watches lol

[@DK-jd8bj]

Expensive watch does not = good watch.

[@captainmerica2498]

Hublot

[@VectorPowers]

Oof

[@thetimeteller]

Literally said that in this ep, but go off, my man!

[@andyheath9743]

I still like my amphibian! And I am wearing it right now.

[@freequest]

Time teller not a fanboy of Vostoks I use one when I am hiking because well better than taking a Seiko Pressage out. Don't care if the Vostok has a Wobby crown design or not its a solid watch keeps good time and the Kommandanski purely mechanical with no complications I own does what it does. I do understand that some people would be infuriated with this flaw or design feature for me don't care. I also own a G-Shock ugly watch really tried to love it but just cant it worked great but OMG it's ugly for LCD's I would rather use my 40+-year-old Pioneer or Geneve. I think your problem with people going off at you is that they enjoy your content and they enjoy your view, but they have a hard time distinguishing between your personal preferences and opinions and think you're knocking what they love. For me, I thankfully understand that people have different preferences and being an easy-going dude no big deal. Keep being you, buddy. 👍🏾⌚✔🙂

[@vext01]

You only notice the wobbly crown the first time you use it. Then it's normal. Like buying a new car with better brakes.

[@TheRealDrJoey]

I've loved Rolex Subbies since I was a kid. When I turned 70 last year I decided I'll never afford one, so I bought--WARNING!--an Invicta diver.. It keeps pretty good time (Seiko 21,000 beat movement) rated 200 meters, excellent old school Rolex-style bracelet. The bezel is the best of any watch I've ever owned--almost zero backlash. And the longer I own it, the more I like the looks, including the dreaded (yet beautifully done) engraving of "Invicta." Looks-wise, I sorta like it better than the Rollie now. And it cost 1/150th what the Rolex would have been.

[@UncleSkiBum]

Glad you like your watch buddy. That's what it's all about at the end of day, as long as you like it that's what counts

[@waldi2302]

I own several Vostok watches, the oldest is about 25 years old and the newest arrived yesterday from Moskow. I love the unique design and the history behind the wobbly crown. If anybody don't like it , so what? It's his or her problem, not mine. A co worker of me is a Steinhart fan ( No they don't make only knock offs ). He turns the Vostok arround, a red Komandirsky I put on a red NATO, and asked me what have you paid ? I answered 77€ and waited 2 weeks. He took his mobile out and odered a green Komandirsky.

[@pluxauag7555]

Vostock Europe Bronze Energia in Petrol Blue......My absolute favourite watch. Stunning. By the way, totally agree with you. Superb Video and big Thumbs up!!!

[@allaboutdiy1375]

Finally got my 710059 scuba dude and tons of mods in the mail!!! Russian watch and glass case back, German bezel, English crown and an American band. What’s not to love! Great watch! After the mods...

[@celtshaun1427]

The real fun in the Vostok's is modding them I have 3 so far and love them for what they are Original and water proof to 800m lol

[@ThatGingerGuy93]

I own both a Vostok and a few Pagani Design’s and I know exactly what they are. I bought the Vostok because it has a great history and is a cool quirky watch I love wearing. I bought the Pagani Design’s because I like the style of the original watches but know I could never justify the cost of buying the original design. For the price the materials are better than anything else at that price point. I also think these homages don’t hurt the original designers at all. If anything they may help them. The majority of people who buy homages would never have bought the original design anyway (mostly due to cost) and a small number may go on to actually buy the original because they loved the homage so much.

[@hyunwoo230]

I mean the pagani watches have materials objectively better than most seiko divers ( which have consistent chapter ring misalignments ). You’re definitely not a snob and obviously I’m not gonna call you any names. However, I do not agree that pagani watches are objectively bad. The spec sheet is great and it’s very affordable

[@connormathias5779]

You really think Pagani doesn’t have QC issues?

[@argatar]

@@connormathias5779 mine doesn't. Its a hit or miss i guess, but they give out warranty for lemons, which i have used on other watches to get a new one for free

[@danriverso1053]

I actually started my watch collection by buying a couple of Ali express watches. I’ve actually been quite happy with my Pagani. It runs well, no quality control issues and obviously looks good (it is a rip-off after all). It’s my beater watch. I have a couple of micro brands and well established brands as well. It was just a good way to get into the game. And I blame @justonemorewatch for that.

[@borisluzanov3361]

Btw, Восток means "The East" in Russian ;-). "Orient" if you like))). I remember I used to own a couple of them when back in school. I liked them. "Komandirskie" and something else. And they had that "Made in USSR" in Russian. So cool))). I wish I had them now. They did their job and the lume was great.

[@grady60]

Vostok has history, do not place in the same category as Invicta and Pagani Design.

[@Praxeus514]

Invicta has history. Started in the 19th century. Are you now going to change your opinions of them?

[@grady60]

@@Praxeus514 you are thinking of the heritage brand. Invicta as we know at has been churning out homages and questionable designs since 1991.

[@Praxeus514]

grady60 their best modern pieces are designed by Rolex and powered by Seiko. Still the same company though even if it did take the wrong path.

[@grady60]

@@Praxeus514 when it was revived in 1991 it was bought out by a completely different organisation in a different country. The history essentially became redundant, it was a corporate takeover, plain and simple. I bet each person who is currently watching a Kodak TV or wearing Polaroid sunglasses knows not a thing about the history of those companies. They are now just shells, companies bought out for their name.

[@nates78]

I have the Pagani Design Daytona. It does feel cheap... Or at least it feels it's price. It's a great way to find out if you like that style of watch. I found out that I'm not really a fan (as of now) of chronographs.

[@beebait1464]

I found with chronagraphs i only like them as dress watches with a suit. I dont care for them with casual ware since chronographs are normally more flashy.

[@nates78]

@@beebait1464 very true. I'm taking my family to a really nice dinner in Malibu this weekend and I will be wearing it. But day in and day out... Not my thing.

[@arrontaylor3388]

I have 2 Pagani Designs... they’re not “trash”, they’re actually amazing value. I say this because my collection also includes Rolex, Breitling, Omega, Cartier, Baume & Mercia, Ebel, Charriol... and a bunch of micros; Christopher Ward, Steinhart, Spinnaker, Lorier etc. Chill dude, Pagani is what it is, and bloody good watches for the money...horses for courses!😉

[@AeternumAngel]

Sure, sure kid, we all believe you!. I'm Superman by the way, nice to meet you!.

[@arrontaylor3388]

@@AeternumAngel what are you struggling to believe Superman?

[@man04321]

let's be honest he Loves Rolex's and owns several of them, at the end of the day he's gonna hate anything that copies Rolex. some people like me want to dip their toe into automatic watches and brands like Vostok and Pagani design are a great first automatic. and he complains about specs not being good on the Pagani but it has better specs than most $500+ Seiko watches

[@jimmyschiel3863]

You're not a snob, and you're right. I collect sell and have fun with Восток watches because I love them.

[@nicktrnka1480]

Agree. My Amphibia scuba with a barton silicone, by far has the highest price:enjoyment ratio.

[@jimmyschiel3863]

@@nicktrnka1480 yeah a lot of my friends that aren't watch people want them because they can build a watch unique to their personality and style.

[@jimmyschiel3863]

@Quix I like the 42 case but that's just me. If you have a Timegrapher you can dial them into +-7s/d average. Enjoy!

[@redneckster6639]

Восток lives matter.

[@kieranzucker]

One of the things that you don’t mention about many of these homage brands is that there is an advantage to their generic build. Pagani design, steeldive or other brands like them, produce nh35 movement watches with decent water resistance. This makes them great watch mod candidates, as with a simple dial and hand swap you can have a more unique looking watch, with decent materials such as sapphire crystal and a ceramic bezel, with decent wr, but at an affordable price. So even if you take issue with homage watches, which I personally don’t, they can still represent a good purchase. This is especially true with seiko watches going up in price, making them a less attractive option as a mod base.

[@GRJN013]

I actually bought a Pagani Design Sub Homage, and immediately hated it, removed the NH35 inside and put it in another project. Having said that, you actually get a lot for your money. Seiko automatic NH35, Sapphire Crystal with cyclops, SS case and solid bracelet with SEL, ceramic bezel insert, applied indices and a well finished dial...for $59. I didn't like it, but I certainly won't deny it is a good value.

[@p.a.4928]

"Cheap" watches : Casio, Citizen, Tissot, Seiko, Swatch, Vostok,... => Good watches !

[@p.a.4928]

Hello T3, What do you think about the Citizen Tsuno ( www.watchuseek.com/attachments/citizen-bullhead-group2-jpg.15321883/ ) ? This new "bullhead" looks great for the price... ...can you make a review of this watch? Thanks, good afternoon, bye.

[@salimr4718]

Tissot is not cheap. I am thinking about buying one which costs about 1000 usd. More a midrange watch.

[@ChromeMan04]

Wouldn’t really call Seikos cheap. Especially since they make a variety in different price ranges

[@39Thorns]

I bought a Blue Scubadude in Moscow many years ago, I've worn the hell out of it. I even put a shark mesh bracelet on it when I wore it on holiday to Milan. It keeps good time, its fun, 300 meter water resistance, in-house movement, well-though out design, not trying to copy anything else...the only reason its cheap is because they've engineered it to be inexpensive to fabricate. If you're the kind of guy who appreciates the qualities of an AK-47, and actually know how to use it, you'll like the Amphibian too. If you need a tacticool toy that you can't use, you probably won't be wearing a Vostok. AKs are cheap enough you can have one for each day of the week. Vostok amphibian too.

[@karlissulcs3822]

Dude, that Vostok will outlast that Dailos 3 times. Come on man You know Your stuff but seriously..

[@polo86c4]

If me defending Vostoks makes me a fanboy I'm good with that. Vostok has such a great history and the watches feel because of how outdated they are like NOS vintage watches. Also all parts are interchangeable, so you can make your watch truly your own. Don't like the bezel? Buy a new one for 20$.

[@Gunfreak451]

I'm support people and their decisions to buy watches because in the end we all enjoy this hobby but I don't support Chinese company's completely ripping another company off. Clearly the Skmei is their best replica of mudmaster, you can disagree but your lying to yourself. At the end of the day it is what it is and people will buy what they feel is their best value, for me I'm buying Casio not skmei

[@fatheroffive2657]

Jory I’m convinced that you do these Friday rants to keep us from going postal after a crazy week. I mean I just spent 13 minutes yelling and venting at “a crazy California watch snob” on my phone so now I won’t have to be a turd to my family and friends all weekend. Holy crap you’re like therapy. I like my Vostoks they haven’t let me down, they are not a quality German or Swiss watch, they are not a made in China with Japanese movement micro brand, they are a time machine back to the 1960’s, and they are fun and functional. Keep making rant videos I think we all enjoy them. Hello from Calgary. Happy Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadians.

[@Hekkler72]

Primal Scream Therapy is a real thing. Congrats on your new goalie in Calgary.

[@Vidmr2407]

Love a vostok style and history. As far the movements, if it gets past 6 months it will likely last for many years. A QC issue for sure.

[@spyrosmichalo714]

I dont know what you say but i have BOCTOK about 10 years and i wear it in sea all the time and has never been serviced. Works perfect. For me that means it is a very GOOD watch

[@nicktrnka1480]

One more, just one more Vostok complaint and no kettlebelles for you..30 days. Comrade.

[@johanbertilsson2213]

I must say my friend, that for me a $100 watch is an expensive watch. $100 is 884,83 swedish kronas. For me a cheap watch is under 100 Swedish krona. I own a real Casio G-Shock Mudman, a Casio Waveceptor, and a Casio Mudmaster. The Waveceptor was the cheapest of these for 600 Swedish kronas, the Mudman 2500 Swedish kronas, and the Mudmaster 5200 Swedish kronas. I use these watches when i on my job or out with people, but when i am working in my garden or out hunting or fishing i use a cheap Honhx sportwatch for 54 Swedish kronas as a beater watch. A Casio F91w is about 200 Swedish kronas. A bit ranting from me.

[@ScreaminEagle35]

Things i learned about watch collecting and also about the community. 1. Do your research 2. More money dont mean better quality and cheaper homages arent worth it (aka you dont get what you pay for) 3. Under 1k is considered the low end 4. Community either loaded with snobs or don’t understand what makes a good watch (rolex snobs or 17 dollar ppl claim its good quality from amazon for example) 5. Save money for a watch you like (currently saving for a Seiko alpinist spb117 with the cyclops as my graduation watch) 6. Its fun to just look at watches and find the unique ones (even rolex has unique ones) 7. People may not understand your new hobby but thats ok 8. Everyone you talk to about watches collector or not is happy to talk about whats on the wrist 9. Buy used, make sure the seller is credible, whether online or a dealer (so u dont get like idk a fake omega) 10. Buy what you enjoy and buy something that makes you fall in love with it. (I have a Dan Henry 1964 chrono and i sold MTG cards for it and i love the thing). If you want the Bostok amphibia go for it. Want that mickey mouse one? Go for it.

[@jamestucker9803]

Nobody is buying a Pagani Design is thinking "wow, Pagani has created some really awesome designs". What we are thinking is "wow, I can buy this good watch that looks like a Rolex and have enough money left over to buy a new car". The watch that you propose to save up and buy instead looks nothing like a Rolex Daytona. You are making your critic's point for them.

[@akabaned]

@Oktay K soo.. i like how the watch looks , i like the how is made and even more the price who i wanna be by buying what i like and what i can? i also like seiko and orient and i do plan to get one of the street figther one of seiko yet i can still like pagani desing watches you know

[@akabaned]

@Oktay K how is a waste of money if im enjoy it, im getting as much bang for buck as a seiko heck the movement is a seiko and no hardlex , it is a solid watch beside the not ideal QC if it wasnt an homage we wouldnt even be having this discussion

[@jamestucker9803]

@Oktay K I don't buy anything to earn other's respect. I buy what I like. I like the Pagani. There is value there, period, that is why so many people buy them.

[@jamestucker9803]

@Oktay K You are telling people what to buy. "Instead U could buy a seiko or an orient u know something with actual respect. "

[@tuvu4784]

I agree with the overall argument that a cheap watch is not necessarily a good watch, but it should be determined case by case. For example, the Pagani Design Daytona homage is an excellent watch for the price, because it has all the criteria of a good watch: sapphire crystal, ceramic tachymeter bezel, Seiko Meca-Quartz movement, good finishing, and a great bracelet. Even watches made by Seiko in the same price category doesn't necessary get all the good stuffs like that Pagani Design.

[@JohnDavis-ol7qg]

I have a Pagani Hulk version and its +3 seconds a day, has a nice bracelet, sapphire crystal, ceramic bezel. It's also $12,730 cheaper than a Rolex. I bought it after seeing a review, just one more watch, a d I love it. Nice polish case a d highly recommend one. It took 7 weeks from Alie Express and I have gotten 5 watches from them, and never an issue. I only buy affordable. I have looked at Breitling, Tudor, Oris but I enjoy my Pagani, Cadisen, Guinqin Moon phase, Vostok I got from Meramon which is a 24hour white dial and to me, such a cool watch. I now have a Zelos Swordfish Titanium black sand dial I am wearing a d it has the same movement as my Pagani. I just bought a Phoibos Bronze Leviathan 45mm black dial I adore. It's fun to just wear a watch that no one has

[@BrianHartman]

I get that you don't like homages, and that's fine. But you act like you don't even understand the _concept_ of homages. Someone who wants to buy that Pagani Designs "Daytona" isn't going to be interested in the Dailos watch. It's not a good alternative to the Daytona clone. A _different_ Daytona clone would be a good alternative. I've got a Pro Diver. I didn't buy it because of its original design. I didn't _want_ an original design. I liked the looks of a Submariner, but I don't have Submariner money. And the Pro Diver has held up for a few years now. Is it as good as a Submariner? No. But I don't hold an $80 watch to the same standards that I'd hold an $8,000 watch.

[@UncleSkiBum]

Couldn't agree more. I own one as well a Seiko and a Phoibos. I use my pro Diver as an every day watch and for that it's good

[@delphi-moochymaker62]

Comparing a $17 watch, to a $500 watch, is like comparing a Seiko, to a Patek Philippe. The Seiko would not look good at all. That wouldn't mean Seiko's are garbage. It's all about the metrics you are measuring against. Of course for the money, you wouldn't expect the Seiko to compare. Exactly the point. You expect the Skmei to compare. Why?

[@Ubertechgirl66]

I bought my Rolex 34 Date and my Pagani Design Daytona because I like them and they make me happy. Love you! ❤️

[@beebait1464]

Casio makes their own cheap alternatives. Casio has a quality warch skew in every price range from $5 to $500 dollars. If you want a knock off casio mudmaster just buy a cheaper casio.

[@tankt13]

I remember when I bought my first Tudor, I was so happy. Then you called it garbage. Then I died. Then i came back to life and bought an Oris Big Crown ProPilot, and the adventure begins again

[@waktosha7378]

I do love my Vostoks! They are awesome shitter watches!

[@johnrgovier]

I really enjoy your content and respect your opinion but I have to disagree regarding putting Vostok in the same category as the other two. When I purchased my Vostok it was because I was intrigued and wanted an automatic watch with its own identity that for an inexpensive amount

[@stevecurran6480]

Vostok is an amazing watch with an even more amazing story. Lets all land back on Earth and just have fun here. Seiko is a great brand but there are MANY others.

[@facethewatch3577]

I'm a boctok fan, but you can never offend me. Love the vids my brotha. Keep up the good work.

[@simsalb]

Hey I'm wearing my g shock D 5600 no plans to dispose off it!

[@sublyme2157]

100% agree man. There's a reason cliches like, "buy once, cry once", and, "buy cheap, buy twice" are popular. Of course it doesn't mean that buying expensive is always worth it, or that inexpensive options with incredible value don't exist, but, "you get what you pay for" in most cases. :)

[@JasonTheWatchGuy]

Pagani Design - fantastic for the price Vostok - amazing watches, especially for the price Tag Heuer - rip off but I love them Invicta - havent inserted enough crayons into my nose to buy one yet

[@cavalry1213]

I bought a Guanqin dress watch a couple of years ago because I needed a dress watch to wear on the occasion that I do dress up or wear a shirt and tie for work. It was $50 and I put a strap that costs as much as the watch itself 🤣 but it does have sapphire and a Seiko NH36. I wear it with a sweater and jeans and it looks good. 🤙🏻

[@DavidUKesb]

Back in the days of the Soviet Union they nailed a Vostok Amphibia to a submarine, took it down to 1000m, and it still worked. There's an old video somewhere of some bloke trying his best to break one of these without success, including throwing it off a high bridge onto a hard surface and encasing it in ice etc.

[@itachi1742]

Love the buzzcut dude! I've been rocking one for nearly a year now, and I don't think i'll ever look back. I used to spend almost half an hour styling my hair in the mornings, only to have it ruined by some rain. I tell ya man, a buzzcut is truly liberating.

[@thetimeteller]

Agreed! And thank you for the kind words of support! I just got sick of the hair I had left and said BYE BYE! 💪🏻😎

[@phillipmoodie9071]

Jory The problem with F91 Casino's priced from $9-20 is that they are forgeries. I paid $20 for one that looses 30 seconds per day. I only discovered it was a forgery after I Googled Casio F91W and found the test procedure Casio integrated into the beautiful and practical watch. I am now going to buy a real one which will cost me $40 in Australia from a reputable company. And as you say, it's a great value REAL watch. Phil.

[@carlod803]

Probably not all of them, bought mine for $9 from Casio itself.

[@phillipmoodie9071]

@@carlod803 I have to agree with your comment because I realised after I posted mine that my claim could not be substantiated. But based on my follow through on the investigation that revealed the CASIO test I found enough references to prove that it is a very large scale issue. The problem started when I could not find a F91W for sale in any major Department Store in Melbourne Australia and could only find one seemingly well established company selling online in Australia, but at twice the price of the other apparent online sellers. Melbourne's 100 year old Department Store Myer has a Casio speciality shop in its Jewelry Department, but they don't display the F91W. My excuse for my sloppy proofreading is that I am in the COVID 19 Intensive Care Ward of The Alfred Hospital and I was finally cleared yesterday after arriving at the hospital 10 weeks ago when I was told that my infection was so far advanced that I had no more than two days to live. The next morning the Doctor in charge of the COVID 19 Intensive Care Ward met with me to personally explain that I would not be able to get through the day. He then said that when I collapsed he would no permit the use of one of the very scarce respirators, because I was 82 and it would be of little benefit. But he did say that they would try and help me die as painless as possible. Well I am now the last patient in Critical Care and I am now being put into total isolation for 7 days so that I can go home. The only entertainment I have had during this time was a $A40 4inch smartphone that I had in my pocket when I was taken to hospital, that I had bought the day before at the local Post Office to use as a spare phone, because it would fit into my wallet. But a four inch screen is better than sitting by yourself in total isolation for 10 weeks, but I did get to watch all of Jory's ancient YT presentations. So when I am finally back in the World I will find a genuine Casio "With all papers" along with a genuine factory warranty card. So be careful because dying from the COVID infection is the most boring death imaginable. Phil.

[@carlod803]

@@phillipmoodie9071 sorry to hear that and with what you are going through, hope that you get well soon. And I also agree that there are a ton of F91 fakes out there, the simplicity of this watch makes it too easy.

[@THEMADWATCHCOLLECTOR]

Great video matey!! I like the watch mafia clans!!!!!!!!! Just had a Loreo submariner on the review table! Was actually pleasantly surprised at the amount you got for your 60 quid!!!!

[@christopherpetrone5499]

Jory, I want to start by saying that I truly enjoy your content and I don't think you ARE a snob (although you are kind of acting like one in this particular video). You're entitled to your opinion, but remember that it is just that, an opinion. There are several flaws in your argument here. First, to just gloss over the Vostok crown and say that "it was designed to be trash" is ridiculous. It's NOT a malfunction as you call it, it's designed to avoid damaging the crown stem if bumped. That ACTUALLY is innovation, whether you choose to accept it or not. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it's not serving a purpose. Also, to brush off Pagani, saying they don't have good specs and then immediately talk about the Dailos using "rare materials" like sapphire glass and ceramic, even though the Pagani also uses sapphire glass and has a ceramic bezel insert. The Pagani also uses a Seiko Vk63 mecha-quartz movement. Pretty good specs for a watch that's under $100. I understand that you don't like homages, but you need to realize that there are A LOT of collectors out there who do. Lastly, I can only speak to my own experience, but I've never had an issue with AliExpress. Actually, my experience has been the opposite, I've actually had a few times when I've waited a long time for an item, they've refunded me my money and then later the item arrived and they did not ask for it back. Like I said in the beginning, I appreciate your content and I'm a loyal subscriber, I just wish you'd open your mind a bit when it comes to things like this.

[@UncleSkiBum]

Excellently put buddy. Couldn't agree more, as an occasional watcher of TTT this video has put me off watching any more of his content which is a shame as I liked some of the other content.

[@maxstuder6477]

Thanks for a great video. Could not stop grinning. Just what I needed!

[@triplejriggs]

The more I get into watches, the more I realize it is better to save a little longer and get something more substantial. If you need a watch fix, buy a few new straps to change up your current watches.

[@blakefrench1924]

How do you feel about the Casio MQ24? Analog quartz watch for $9 with nothing that can break and a brand name that isn't random letters put together. I realize that one can purchase a G-Shock for $9 but I think the MQ24 is a reasonable alternative, for a disposable watch.

[@ilijablazevski998]

Pagani design diver- 200m wr, threaded crown, saphire cristal, full metal links, and you favorite brend movement - nh35 automatic, hacking and handwining!!! And Vostok, dont get me started! They are absolutely charming, unique, original and bulletproof!!!

[@FK-wz3hn]

Man I own two Pagani Design!!! 😆😆😆 I just bought to see if they will last at all. And I must confess that I'm enjoying them 😁😁😁 But, of course, they have some quality issues... But the more important: as they cost under a hundred dollars, I don't need to pay plus 60% over the retail price. But it's all about enjoy our watches!!! 😃😃😃

[@caelan6135]

true, i bought a starking and for couple of weeks it was alright but now the second hand is skipping a few secs. idk it might be magnetization. they suck

[@gazzertrn]

I have a skmei watch had it 3 years plus ,use it when i go fishing . Still going strong on original battery . I may even look at other skmei watches in the future, cheap as chips for an every day beater.

[@CyberSammael]

Hey, I own an Invicta and I really like it..... 1. Sure, a lot of their designs are not subtle, but if you look around you can find some more grown up designs. 4. They are pretty well spec'd C. Its a style thing. I am not a fan of GShock styling, and most of the Invicta line is too 'in your face' but if you do find one you like they can be ok. XI. I got mine from eBay for $70, so I am happy. :-)

[@ericwhitlow7364]

Great video. I have a two watch “collection “. A G-Shock 5600 for work and a Vostok Komenderski that I put a clean bezel on for off duty. I wanted a manual wind only watch. A bonus is when the plating wears off the brass will be exposed. Winner winner chicken dinner.

[@vonyp6018]

I have 2 pagani. I'm deciding to pull the trigger on another omega. I have own quite a few medium high end watches. The pagani is the 100m daytona and the other is a black ceramic gmt on jubilee. I can take the pagani out without feeling paranoid ! The look without the worry! Also, I went to the pagani store and paid full retail with the hope of some guarantee and better quality control. My instincts were correct! Both watches are great with no problems or niggles ( sometimes its worth not being a cheapskate, especially for the sake of a couple of quid. Its not like its hundreds difference as in omega ! ) . Lastly, I think ali express is where all the duds go and why there are so many offers... they need to get rid. Its basically a online seconds shop!

[@LockheedMartinF22Raptor7]

Grant it, I don't really like buying cheap watches, but there was one that caught my attention, which is a Gruen Precision (perhaps vintage but has the day window above the word Gruen, but below the 11, 12, and 1 o'clock markers) which was priced at $45. Works and looks great and loved it ever since.

[@loganholmberg2295]

Hey is it fair to call the Vostok trash when the crown, from what I've heard, was designed to be floppy to help prevent breakages? I see this in modern collectables were parts are designed to be flexable or pop off instead of actually breaking. Otherwise I agree with most of what you've said here.

[@loganholmberg2295]

or Bostok...Bostock...Vostoc. That spelling can make it hard to look up these watches sometimes.

[@UncleSkiBum]

Yes it is by design. At the time the engineers didn't have access to all the materials they needed so had to work around some of the design issues they faced. It makes for some interesting horological history

[@ErikSWE]

logan holmberg It’s Восток in cyrillic, Vostok in latin. It’s not that difficult.

[@anildamodar8142]

Wrongly pressed the downvote button..

[@tomasrandom6430]

I see your point. Agree. Even though I like my Invicta pro diver which I optioned out for a scalp bezel for more difference of the Rolex, but those Mercedes hands just bothers me all the time I look at the watch. Not because I don't like the look (which is true), but because it is unoriginal. It bothers me that they missed an opportunity to create something close, but still unique enough like Orient Ray/Mako, Seiko SKX etc.. But nope. They went bold and ripped the Rolex off. Which is just stupid. Just imagine if they would have done like different hands, bezel, hour markings while keeping original proportions.. everybody would just love that watch without calling it a rip off. Same applies to any other Pagani, Phoibos, Steeldive etc.. brand. Just so many missed opportunities.

[@gordonanderson6216]

I can't help myself, I have to comment. All of what you say is correct, except for the bit about the vostock crown. It really is designed to be loose so you don't strain the stem when winding etc. If it was because it was crap then it would fall off, but they never do.

[@CameronKelson]

I'd really like to get your opinion of some more Fossil watches. I know you did one video, but I'm curious what you think about a watch that YOU would choose, or maybe one of their automatic watches.

[@okihaveaname]

He hates Fossil/Diesel/MVMT/etc and the whole fashion watch people.

[@CameronKelson]

@@okihaveaname Well I don't like MVMT personally either, it's basically a prettied up version of the Amazon plague of people rebranding/slightly tweaking foreign hardware and then selling it under its own brand name as something original. But Fossil and Diesel are legit watch manufacturers that have been around for a while and are inanely popular compared to a lot of the niche stuff he reviews.

[@okihaveaname]

@@CameronKelson do your research on Fossil/Diesel/etc and other "popular" brands. You will find out who actually makes watches. Then come back to this channel.

[@Feynman981]

All in for the Vostok-Klan! Jory, I can’t say you said any bad stuff about the Amphibia. You where just a little bit too shy to say also something good about!

[@hcwm2]

My Pagani Design watch is now 11 months old and it is a weird mixture of impressive specs for the price and a somewhat spotty build quality. It is spread thin obviousely and I don't wear that watch any more. But their newer models seem to be improving. The brand is clearly on an upward trajectory.

[@Godotlv5000]

I like pagani design because they sell watches with great specs for little money, and I like to customize them. I bought the pagani daytona homage, got rid of the bracelet because it's honestly crap, bought a red rubber strap and a rolex clone clasp (without the rolex logo obviously), and it looks beautiful.

[@jimmbear3998]

I agree cheap copycats suck. Also, I agree cheap quartz watches where they simply slap on a brand name and charge $200+ also suck. However, there are a lot of cool watches under $75 that are not Casio or Timex. However, for some reason it seems like no one ever talks about them. When it comes to watches under $75 it’s like watch people are only allowed to talk about Casio and Timex, two brands that are not my style which probably has to due with seeing people getting teased for wearing those brands in high school, I know silly reason but those brands just not my cup of tea. How about a cheap watch video with watches no one knows about? You cannot mention Casio, Timex, Orient, or Seiko. I do like/own Orient watches but I find watch KZbinrs always seem to over rely on these brands when touting good cheap watches instead of finding something unique and original in the sub $75 range.

[@ajbcruz]

Hi, could you list those brands, please. Thanks!

[@SeikoHolic314]

my collection mostly has seikos but i also have some vostoks, cheap brands and chinese specials. they're really not bad considering the price specially vostoks. you're getting a good watch that will last you a long time. i use one of my amphibia as a beater watch and it's still ticking just fine. keeps good time and still has good power reserve. maybe try to use one as a beater as well. it might change your mind.

[@saulysw]

I think a reasonable use of a cheap watch is as a “try before you buy” experience. Before putting down real money, see if that Rolex or Pam really works for you. If you pull the trigger for the real thing then it has served its purpose. If you find out you really don’t want the real thing, you may have saved yourself a lot of money.

[@ajovev]

How is the Pagani design different than your "micro brand" watches? Pagani design have also watches using seiko nh35 movement and assemble good watches. Not all of their watches are good of course, but I have a few and I like them, especially the ones with the nh35 movement. For what they offer I like them and enjoy them, not less than you enjoy your similar priced Gshock. They are not cheap for me, their prices are fine, some are even expensive.

[@BoogurTWang]

PSST - I have a Pagani Design Daytona - its a good watch, not a disposable watch,also have a DW-5600,and a Invicta Pro Diver...good Watches.